Harrison says no to no-no



DETROIT — Yes, the Pirates were fully aware of what was going on as Justin Verlander chased a no-hitter tonight. And, yes, they talked non-stop in the dugout about trying to break it up, even as they paused from time to time to marvel at what Verlander was doing. “In the dugout, we all know what’s at stake,” said Josh Harrison, who broke it up with a single with one out in the ninth. “They know what’s at stake, too. At the same time, you’re like, yeah, this guy’s throwing a great game, but you can’t give him too much credit because you still have to face him.”

Verlander alternated between overpowering the Pirates with his upper-90s fastball and mystifying them with breaking balls that danced on the black. “Yes, he was nasty,” said Garrett Jones, who struck out in all three at-bats. “The curve was working. He was throwing it down, on the corners and hitting spots. And he was pumping up (his fastball) later in the game. Pretty good.”

Over the first eight innings, Verlander yielded just a pair of full-count walks — one to Neil Walker in the first inning, the other to Andrew McCutchen in the seventh. In between the two walks, Verlander ravaged the Pirates’ lineup, getting eight of his 12 strikeouts in the stretch. Walker thought he drew a leadoff walk in the seventh, as a 3-2 fastball from Verlander was low and, seemingly, out of the zone. But umpire C.B. Bucknor called strike three, which Walker vehemently protested. Manager Clint Hurdle ran out to the plate to send Walker back to the dugout before Bucknor could consider an ejection.

»»» Question: What do you think, Pirates fans, about this postgame quote from Hurdle? “I always wanted to be part of Tigers history since I was a little kid. I almost was. It would have been bittersweet. But, for my money, that’s a beautiful thing to watch.” Keep in mind, Hurdle grew up Michigan and idolized Al Kaline and Ernie Harwell. Is Hurdle required to throw his emotions and his roots out the door when he puts on that black-and-gold jersey?


Jog lands Tabata on bench


DETROIT — Jose Tabata was benched today not so much for his two poor plays in the outfield last night, but rather for failing to run hard down the line after hitting a grounder in the ninth inning. “He had a rough night all over the board,” manager Clint Hurdle said. “It happens sometimes to young players. Sometimes, they need a recalibration of focus. He understands the importance he carries at the top of the lineup, the intensity he’s got to play with.”

Tabata got turned around on Adam LaRoche’s triple off the left field wall in the sixth inning. “The ball sliced,” Tabata said. “I didn’t have much chance.” In the seventh, he dropped a fly ball hit by Danny Espinosa, who was credited with a double by the generous official scorer. “He got turned around on one ball and clanked another. He’s human,” Hurdle said. But there was no excusing what happened in the ninth.

With runners at first and second and one out, Tabata tapped the ball a couple of feet in front of the plate. He got slow start, thinking perhaps the ball was foul. But even after it was clear the Nationals were in the process of turning an inning-ending double play, Tabata jogged toward first base with zero urgency. It sparked Hurdle’s ire.

“We’ve seen it happen a couple of times,” Hurdle said. “They understand here that when that happens, there’s something else that’s going to happen — you’re going to sit with me and watch. He gets it. We had a talk today and he said, ‘I just lost the moment.’ I understand losing the moment. But then get down the line. That didn’t happen. It’s not part of our identity. It’s not part of what we’re creating here. We get down the line as well as anybody in baseball. That’s the way we’ve got to play. He gets it. When Tabata plays with the energy and focus we’ve seen for the most part these three or four weeks, everybody feeds off it. We’ve made a commitment to him, he’s made a commitment to us. We talked about that today. I think he’s going to be ready to help. He understands there was a lesson to be learned.”


Hernandez arrives



DETROIT — Today, RP Evan Meek was sent back to Triple-A Indy and OF Gorkys Hernandez was called up to make his major league debut. Hernandez batted .266 with five doubles, two homers and 14 RBI in 38 games with Indy this season. The Pirates acquired Hernandez on June 3, 2009 from Atlanta as part of the Nate McLouth trade.

Hernandez was awakened at 2:30 this morning by Indy skipper Dean Treanor, who called to tell him he’d been promoted. “I was like, Are you kidding me?” Hernandez said. “I’m so excited. I want to stay here for a long time.”

Hernandez is not in the lineup tonight (McLouth is starting in LF in place of Jose Tabata, who was benched for not running out a grounder last night — more on that in a bit.) It wouldn’t surprise me if Hernandez got every chance to win an everyday gig. But manager Clint Hurdle also wants to get more looks at McLouth, Garrett Jones and Yamaico Navarro in the outfield. “We’re going to run some at-bats at them and see where they can take them,” Hurdle said. “This might turn out to be a shorter look (for Hernandez) but we’re not cemented on that.”

»»» Props for Cutch: After another sizzling series against the Nationals, Andrew McCutchen drew some high praise from Nats 3B Ryan Zimmerman. “Yeah, he does pretty good against us,” Zimmerman said, then paused and rephrased it to make it clear he was handing out a compliment. “I mean, he’s a good player. They try to pitch him away and he hits it away. They bring one in and he almost hits (a homer) down the left field line. And then the next at-bat … I’m hoping he was sitting first pitch slider. Because if he’s not sitting on one, it seemed even more impressive. He’s one of those special player that can do everything. He’s fun to watch — I just wish we didn’t have to watch him so much when we play him.”

I’ve got some bad news for Zimmerman. I asked Cutch if he was sitting on the slider when he hit his second homer. Cutch smiled and shook his head: “Nope.”

»»» Karstens on mend: RHP Jeff Karstens threw a 40-pitch bullpen today without problem. He’ll toss two innings somewhere, most likely Double-A Altoona, on Monday. “Now, it’s mostly about getting my release point down,” Karstens said.

»»» Best v. worst:  I retweeted this earlier today from Stats LLC, but it bears repeating here: Justin Verlander has the best interleague winning percentage (.882, minimum 10 starts) tonight will face the Pirates, who have the worst interleague record (.384).

»»» Remember: Saturday’s game starts at 4:05 p.m. It will be televised by Root.

»»» Throwbacks: The Pirates will wear Pittsburgh Crawfords uniforms Saturday as part of the 18th annual Negro Leagues tribute. The Tigers will wear Detroit Stars unis.

»»» Minor matter: Double-A Altoona activated INF Jarek Cunningham (left wrist) from the disabled list.

Game 39: Pirates @ Tigers, 7:05 p.m. ET

Pirates (18-20): 1. Josh Harrison dh, 2. Neil Walker 2b, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Pedro Alvarez 3b, 5. Garrett Jones rf, 6. Casey McGehee 1b, 7. Nate McLouth lf, 8. Clint Barmes ss, 9. Michael McKenry c. 9. Starter: Charlie Morton rhp (2-3, 4.05)

Tigers (18-20): 1. Don Kelly cf, 2. Andy Dirks lf, 3. Miguel Cabrera 3b, 4. Prince Fielder 1b, 5. Delmon Young dh, 6. Alex Avila c, 7. Brennan Boesch rf, 8. Jhonny Peralta ss, 9. Ryan Rayburn 2b. Starter: Justin Verlander rhp (4-1, 2.47)


Why Hurdle stuck with Meek

Evan Meek could be sent back to Indy tonight. (Getty Images)
Evan Meek could be sent back to Indy tonight. (Getty Images)

WASHINGTON — If the Pirates had been tied with the Nats in the bottom of the seventh inning last night, Juan Cruz would have been on the mound. But with his team down a run, manager Clint Hurdle opted to use Evan Meek, who had just been recalled from Triple-A Indy. Meek yielded three runs.

“If you look for good, you find good. If you look for bad, you find bad,” Hurdle said. “Evan was brought here to pitch. He’s put his time in. He’s worked hard. For me, it was why not get Evan in the game, one run down? I didn’t want to use (Jason) Grilli or Cruz (in that situation). I have a plan in place, where the only time I’ll use them down a run is in the bottom of the eighth if we’re on the road or top of the ninth if we’re at home. Evan came out fresh. He got an out, then he cut up (Ian) Desmond nice, you see the velocity spike to 95-96 mph. Then it got away from him a little bit.”

Meek walked Bryce Harper and Ryan Zimmerman, loading the bases with two outs. Adam LaRoche lined the first pitch into right field for a three-run double. And there, as they say, was your ballgame. “I wanted to give (Meek) a chance to get out of it,” Hurdle said. “He makes a pitch to LaRoche, he’s out of the inning and it turns a sideways into a positive. He deserved that opportunity, in my eyes, so I gave it to him.”

Meek could be sent back to Indy after tonight’s game. The Pirates might add a position player because they’ll to use a designated hitter in the three-game set in Detroit. However, Hurdle said he could keep things as is with the eight-man bullpen and have a three-man bench because there is less need for pinch-hitters and/or two-player switches in AL games. Hurdle and GM Neal Huntington will decide what course to take before batting practice tonight, but will likely keep their decision quiet until after the game.

»»» A look back: This is where it all began for Jose Tabata. The OF made his debut at Nationals Park on June 9, 2010. Tabata has hit safely in 10 of 12 games (home and away) against the Nats, going 16 for 48 (.333) with eight runs scored. Trivia question: What other current Pirate made his ML debut the same night as Tabata?

»»» Whiffffff: Since April 25, RHP James McDonald has struck out 33 batters in four starts. The only pitchers in the majors with more Ks in that span are Yu Darvish and Brandon Morrow, who have 34 apiece.

»»» Mr. Clutch: Josh Harrison last night hit his first homer of the year and collected three RBI, matching his career best. Harrison is 5 for 10 with runners in scoring position this year, and is batting .328 (19 for 58) with RISP in his career.

»»» Trivia answer: RHP Brad Lincoln made his ML debut June 9, 2010 against the Nats. He pitched six innings and allowed five runs on seven hits. The Pirates lost, 7-5. Tabata went 2 for 4 with a run scored.

Game 38: Pirates @ Nationals, 7:05 p.m. ET

Pirates (17-20): 1. Jose Tabata lf, 2. Neil Walker 2b, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Pedro Alvarez 3b, 5. Garrett Jones rf, 6. Casey McGehee 1b, 7. Rod Barajas c, 8. Josh Harrison ss, James McDonald rhp (2-2, 2.42)

Nationals (23-14): 1. Ian Desmond ss, 2. Roger Bernadina lf, 3. Ryan Zimmerman 3b, 4. Adam LaRoche 1b, 5. Bryce Harper rf, 6. Danny Espinosa 2b, 7. Rick Ankiel cf, 8. Jesus Flores c. Jordan Zimmermann rhp (2-3, 2.14)


Presley demoted, Meek returns


WASHINGTON — Alex Presley today was optioned to Triple-A Indy and RP Evan Meek was recalled.

Presley’s departure isn’t too surprising. He hit .200 with seven RBI and a .246 OBP, and had been dropped to sixth and seventh in the batting order the past two games. “We need Alex to be able to play his game to make our offense go,” manager Clint Hurdle said. “It’s been a challenge, especially the past two weeks. He’s not the only one, but he’s a young player who we like a lot, who we think (has) a big ceiling. The reps (with the Pirates) aren’t what they need to be for him to continue to develop.”

Meek was sent down to Indy on May 1. He pitched in four games, tossing six scoreless innings, and allowed two hits. walked two and struck out five. He might not be back for very long, though, as his arrival gives the team eight relievers. The Pirates need bullpen help tonight — there’s no guarantee Erik Bedard (back spasms) will pitch deep, and Brad Lincoln and Chris Resop are unavailable in order to avoid overwork.

Renoir's "Boaters to Chatou"
Renoir's "Boaters to Chatou"

== Free time: When I got to DC this morning, my room at the hotel wasn’t ready yet. In most towns, that’s a big-time inconvenience. Not here. It was a perfect excuse to hike to the National Gallery of Art and spend an hour with the Impressionists. If you’re in town for the games, be sure to check out the pieces by Renoir that are on loan from Paris. Outstanding.

Game 37: Pirates @ Nationals, 7:05 p.m. ET

Pirates (17-18): 1. Jose Tabata rf, 2. Neil Walker 2b, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Casey McGehee 1b, 5. Yamaico Navarro lf, 6. Rod Barajas c, 7. Clint Barmes ss, 8. James Harrison 3b, 9. Erik Bedard lhp (2-4, 2.57)

Nationals (22-14): 1. Ian Desmond ss, 2. Bryce Harper cf, 3. Ryan Zimmerman 3b, 4. Adam LaRoche 1b, 5. Xavier Nady rf, 6. Danny Espinosa 2b, 7. Tyler Moore lf, 8. Jesus Flores c, 9. Gio Gonzalez lhp (4-1, 1.94)


Finally, a win in Miami


MIAMI — Last night’s 3-2 win was the Pirates’ first against the Marlins since Oct. 1, 2010, snapping an eight-game losing skid against Miami. The Fish, who last year swept the Bucs at PNC Park and Sun Life Stadium, have triumphed in 12 of the past 15 matchups. “We talked about it before the game,” manager Clint Hurdle said. “We said, it’s time. It’s time for us to do something against these guys.”

»»» Lincoln dealing: RHP Brad Lincoln essentially was a two-pitch pitcher last night — an indication of how well he was doing. “I threw one changeup and got an out with it, but I really didn’t need (the pitch),” Lincoln said. He regretted only one pitch, a 2-1 fastball to Emilio Bonifacio in the fourth inning. “We were just trying to pitch him 6-8 inches off the plate,” Hurdle said. “Unfortunately, that one ended up right down the middle.” Bonifacio lined it to center field for an RBI single.

»»» Cutch raking: Andrew McCutchen is batting .438 (14 for 32) this month. All signs point to McCutchen busting out some more on Wednesday and Thursday against the Nats. Cutch went hitless in his first two games at Nationals Park. But in six games since, he’s gone 12 for 22 (.545) – including four doubles, two triples and a homer — with six RBI, five runs scored and a 1.045 slugging percentage.

»»» More stats: Last night, Rod Barajas had two extra-base hits for the first time since Aug. 31, 2011. … The Pirates are 13-5 when they homer. They’ve won eight of their past nine when putting a ball over the fence.

»»» Minor matter: OF Miles Durham was sent down to Double-A Altoona. In 19 games with Triple-A Indy, Durham batted .143 with a .348 OPS. A 22nd-round pick in 2006, Durham has played the bulk of his minor league career at Altoona. In seven years in the minors, he’s hit .259 with a .720 OPS and has struck out in nearly a quarter of his at-bats.

Game 36: Pirates @ Marlins, 7:10 p.m. ET

Pirates (17-18): 1. Jose Tabata rf, 2. Neil Walker 2b, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Pedro Alvarez 3b, 5. Garrett Jones 1b, 6. Clint Barmes ss, 7. Alex Presley lf, 8. Michael McKenry c, 9. Kevin Correia rhp (1-3, 3.47)

Marlins (18-17): 1. Jose Reyes ss, 2. Omar Infante 2b, 3. Hanley Ramirez 3b, 4. Logan Morrison lf, 5. Giancarlo Stanton rf, 6. Greg Dobbs 1b, 7. Emil Bonifacio cf, 8. John Buck c, 9. Josh Johnson rhp (0-3, 5.87)


Lime green and blue


MIAMI — I remember walking to The Ballpark in Arlington on a 200-degree day a couple of years ago with Dejan Kovacevic. In the distance loomed the new stadium for the Dallas Cowboys. It was freakin’ huge and white and shimmered in the intense midday heat. “It looks like it’s come here to take over our planet,” DK noted dryly. I had that thought today as I drove up to Marlins Ballpark. It’s massive and white on the outside, and, um, lime green and blue on the inside. I’d post a pic for ya, but I’m having techinical problems that make that impossible. Your eyes should thank me.

Tear your gaze away from the aquariums inside the backstop and you’ll notice the outfield is very roomy. “Infield’s very quick, outfield’s very big,” manager Clint Hurdle said. “There are some nuances to the outfield, a notch in left-center. We went out today for a half-hour and got in our defensive work, acquainting our players with the field. It will be fun to play here.”

»»» Stay mad: Hurdle wants RHP Brad Lincoln, who’ll make a spot start tonight, to keep the same approach that’s worked so well for him out of the bullpen. “We need him to continue in the mode, the method and the madness he’s been pitching with,” Hurdle said. “He’s been aggressive, using his fastball on both sides of the plate really well, really working it in. The breaking ball has become real sharp with a lot of depth to it. The changeup is in play. This is the most efficient and the sharpest I’ve seen him since I’ve been here. His confidence is in a good place.” Lincoln is starting in place of LHP Erik Bedard, who gets extra time to recover from back spasms. Bedard should be good to go Wednesday in Washington.

»»» Goin’ streaking: The Pirates have won their past six home games that have gone into extra innings, dating back to June 3, 2011. According to Elias, it’s the longest active streak in the majors. and matched the longest string by the Pirates since at least 1978

»»» Minor matter: Lefty Justin Wilson was pulled from his start today for Triple-A Indy after four innings due to soreness in his right groin. He’ll be re-evaluated tomorrow.

Game 35: Pirates @ Marlins, 7:10 p.m. ET

Pirates (16-18): 1. Jose Tabata rf, 2. Neil Walker 2b, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Pedro Alvarez 3b, 5. Casey McGehee 1b, 6. Alex Presley lf, 7. Rod Barajas c, 8. Clint Barmes ss, 9. Brad Lincoln rhp (2-0, 0.63)

Marlins (18-16): 1. Jose Reyes ss, 2. Omar Infante 2b, 3. Hanley Ramirez 3b, 4. Logan Morrison lf, 5. Giancarlo Stanton rf, 6. Gaby Sanchez 1b, 7. Emil Bonifacio cf, 8. John Buck c, 9. Anibal Sanchez rhp (2-0, 2.01)


Karstens back on the mound


RHP Jeff Karstens (shoulder inflammation) threw a bullpen session Thursday and is scheduled to throw another Sunday. Yesterday’s workout consisted of 36 pitches, fastballs and a few changeups. Karstens will accompany the Pirates on their road trip next week to Miami, Washington and Detroit. After that, he’ll likely make his first rehab start with Double-A Altoona, which plays at home May 18-24.

»»» Bedard in limbo: Manager Clint Hurdle will huddle with his lieutenants after batting practice to discuss whether LHP Erik Bedard (back spasms) will make his next scheduled start Monday against the Marlins. Bedard is on the field during bp, doing some light workouts to test his mobility. If Bedard is scratched (which probably would mean a DL stint), look for RHP Brad Lincoln to make a spot start and reliever Daniel McCutchen, who was called up yesterday when Joel Hanrahan went on the bereavement list, to spend a few extra days with the club.

»»» Minor matter: I got a couple of emails to day about an online game tracker that showed RHP Jameson Taillon and reliever Porfirio Lopez combining to throw a mere 67 pitches over nine innings yesterday for High-A Bradenton. It’s simply not true. I checked with the front office, and Taillon actually threw 66 pitches (45 strikes) in six innings — still a very good outing — and Lopez threw 55 (30 strikes). Whoever was doing the game tracker kept good records for the first couple of innings, then either lost count or got lazy and started recording everything as a one-pitch out.

Game 32: Astros @ Pirates, 7:05 p.m. ET

Astros (14-17): 1. Jordan Shafer cf, 2. Jed Lowrie ss, 3. Jose Altuve 2b, 4. Carlos Lee 1b, 5. Brian Bogusevic rf, 6. Chris Johnson 3b, 7. Justin Maxwell lf, 8. Jason Castro c, 9. Bud Norris (2-1, 4.58)

Pirates (13-17): 1. Jose Tabata rf, 2. Alex Presley lf, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Pedro Alvarez 3b, 5. Neil Walker 2b, 6. Garrett Jones 1b, 7. Clint Barmes ss, 8. Michael McKenry c, 9. James McDonald (2-1, 2.70)


High school rivarly


San Diego natives Kevin Correia and Stephen Strasburg, who square off tonight at PNC Park, attended rival high schools. Correia went to Grossmont High and Strasburg went to West Hills. The two schools are about seven miles apart. “They’re really close but when I was there it wasn’t much of a rivalry,” Correia said. “We were much better than them, so it wasn’t much of a rivalry. They were a newer high school (and) they weren’t that good. It wasn’t much of a rivalry, but we did play them a lot.” Correia, 31, led Grossmont to a section title his junior year and a runner-up finish as a senior, when he was a first-team all-section pick. Strasburg, 21, was a three-time letterman at West Hills and was named the school’s scholar-athlete of the year as a senior.

»»» Roster moves: Joel Hanrahan, whose grandmother recently died, today was placed on the bereavement list and is expected to return Sunday. Reliever Daniel McCutchen was recalled from Triple-A Indy. While Hanny is gone, Jason Grilli and Juan Cruz will handle the closer’s duties. Manager Clint Hurdle indicated he’ll decide who to use based on matchups.

»»» Sweep success: The Pirates have zero series sweeps this season. They also have never swept a set from the Nats in Pittsburgh. They could accomplish both tonight. The last time the Pirates swept the Nationals franchise was when the Montreal Expos lost three games here May 14-16, 1999.

»»» Minor matter: In two games since coming off the DL at Triple-A Indy, INF Chase d’Arnaud has two stolen basesn. Today, he scored a run in Indy’s 5-1 loss against Lehigh Valley. “I’m so thankful for being able to do physical activity in general,” d’Arnaud said. “For three weeks, I wasn’t able to do so much as work out and run. All I was really able to do was ride a bike for 10 minutes, and I wasn’t able to do that until the headache subsided. It really helped me find a newfound appreciation for freedom to be able to run and jump and anything like that. I’m just happy to be out here.”

Game 31: Nationals @ Pirates, 7:05 p.m. ET

Nationals (18-12): 1. Ian Desmond ss, 2. Roger Bernadina lf, 3. Ryan Zimmerman 3b, 4. Adam LaRoche 1b, 5. Bryce Harper rf, 6. Danny Espinosa 2b, 7. Rick Ankiel cf, 8. Jesus Flores c, 9. Stephen Strasburg rhp (2-0, 1.66)

Pirates (14-16): 1. Jose Tabata rf, 2. Alex Presley lf, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Pedro Alvarez 3b, 5. Neil Walker 2b, 6. Garrett Jones 1b, 7. Clint Barmes ss, 8. Michael McKenry c, 9. Kevin Correia rhp (1-2, 3.38)


Navarro, Harrison in lineup


Both Yamaico Navarro and Josh Harrison are in the starting lineup tonight. It’s a good chance to get those two some playing time — and also get a head-to-head look at them to recall if and when the time comes to make a roster move in the future. Navarro will appear in left field for the third time. Harrison is at shortstop. Clint Barmes (hitless in his past three games) and Alex Presley (3 fort 28 over his past eight games) are benched.

»»» BURNETT BOUNCES BACK: Against the Nats last night, A.J. Burnett did not show any ill effects of his previous outing, when he was tagged for 12 runs by the Cardinals. He didn’t show it, but that nightmare was on his mind as he prepped for last night’s game. “It bothered me,” Burnett admitted. “I was (anxious). We had some work to do in the bullpen and we got it done and i was a lot sharper tonight. One pitch leaked over and that’s probably the one that cost me, the homer, but I was able to find that hook that i had in the past and it paid off. I’ve been around long enough you put that game behind you as soon as you can and you go to work. The work paid off.”

»»» GAME OVER: Rod Barajas has three walkoff homers in his career, and all three were hit during May. Last night’s 5-4 upset was the Pirates’ third walkoff win this season and the 19th time in a dozen seasons at PNC Park that a game ended with a home run.

»»» MINOR MATTER: High-A Bradenton 1B Stefan Welch has an 11-game hitting streak. The Marauders (16-16) have won four in a row.

»»» HAMMERING HAMILTON: Rangers OF Josh Hamilton last night became the 16th player in MLB history to mash four home runs in a game. He also set the single-game AL record with 18 total bases. Pirates skipper Clint Hurdle was Hamilton’s hitting coach a couple of years ago, so it will be interesting to get his take later this afternoon on Hamilton’s record-setting night.

Game 30: Nationals @ Pirates, 7:05 p.m. ET

Nationals (18-11): 1. Ian Desmond ss, 2. Bryce Harper cf, 3. Ryan Zimmerman 3b, 4. Adam LaRoche 1b, 5. Xavier Nady rf, 6. Danny Espinosa 2b, 7. Tyler Moore lf, 8. Wilson Ramos c, Ross Detwiler lhp (3-1, 1.59)

Pirates (13-16): 1. Jose Tabata lf, 2. Neil Walker 2b, 3. Andrew McCutchen cf, 4. Pedro Alvarez 3b, 5. Casey McGehee 1b, 6. Yamaico Navarro lf, 7. Rod Barjas c, 8. Josh Harrison ss, 9. Erik Bedard lhp (2-4, 2.65)