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Final: Blue Jays 2, Pirates 1

One hour to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (40-38) vs. Toronto Blue Jays (39-41)

Time: 7:07 p.m.

Site: Rogers Centre, Toronto

TV, radio: Root Sports, News Talk 104.7 FM

Weather: 76 degrees, clear

Here is the official live box score, and here are the lineups …


  1. Alex Presley, LF
  2. Chase d’Arnaud, 3B
  3. Garrett Jones, RF
  4. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Lyle Overbay, 1B
  7. Matt Diaz, DH
  8. Ronny Cedeno, SS
  9. Eric Fryer, C

Blue Jays:

  1. Yunel Escobar, SS
  2. Eric Thames, RF
  3. Jose Bautista, 3B
  4. Adam Lind, 1B
  5. Edwin Encarnacion, DH
  6. Aaron Hill, 2B
  7. Juan Rivera, LF
  8. Jose Molina, C
  9. Rajai Davis, CF

Feel free to use this as a discussion forum, as always.

UPDATE 7:11 p.m.: Xavier Paul was just scratched from the lineup. No reason given. The new lineup is reflected up top. Diaz in at DH, Jones now in RF.


  1. Bizrow says:

    I admit I’m now greedy, I want a sweep

    Did anyone see the Jagrwatch sign near the Joeybats dinger last night. Gianetty (The FAN am show) actually got the guy to call, priceless

    PBC Nation – at the Trib
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles
    Colorado – Ft Collins
    Connecticut – Cos Cob
    Florida – Palm Harbor, Orlando, Valrico, Gainesville, Daytona Beach (somewhat reluctantly, those past two, Dad always knows best..), Oviedo (see prior comment), Tampa
    Georgia – Marietta
    Germany – Leverkusen/Cologne
    Idaho – Mountain Home, Coer d’Aline
    Indiana – Indianapolis
    Illinois – La Salle, Peru
    Kentucky – Louisville
    Japan – Tokyo
    Louisiana – Slidell
    Maryland – Arnold, Odenton
    Massachusetts – Boston
    Michigan – Kalamazooooooo ( al la, Pittsburgh goal scored by Mario Lemoooooooooooooo)
    Mississippi – Biloxi
    New Hampshire – not sure where
    New Jersey – Chesterfield, Princeton, Roxbury
    New York – New York, Smithtown
    North Carolina – Asheville, Hickory
    Ohio – Cincinnati, Columbiana, Westerville, Green, Hilliard
    Pennsylvania – Downtown, Hopewell, Indiana, North Wales, Franklin Park, Forest Hills, Lansdale, Philadelphia, DuBois, Reading, Crafton, Arnold, Wexford
    South Carolina – Duncan. Longs
    Tennessee – Smithville
    Texas – Tyler, San Antonio
    Virginia – JAL, Hampton, Rescue, Richmond, Front Royal, Woodbridge
    Washington – Seattle, Nine Mile Falls
    West Virginia – Martinsburg
    Wisconsin – Madison

    69, which by the way was the over and under in wins for the PBC I think.
    6/29/2011 6:04 PM

  2. Karen22 says:

    I vote for SWEEP, despite the fact I have a very good friend with very intimate ties to the Blue Jays! But she’s a good sport and will understand!

  3. Bizrow says:

    Lets hope we get good news on the Jagrwatch during the game.

    I can see a great story coming with all of that

    A question for the fanatics

    If the PBC continues to play as we are, this will pretty much blow up any previous teams improvement from one year to the next. The Rays, I think hold the record, but they, much like the Cinci Bungles, had years of top draft picks

    I think maybe some of the talent was there but the leadership was not

    We’ve talked ad nauseum on the fact that a manager does not make a difference

    I think the one difference is not Neil, nor Slick FC, its No 13.

    Cripes the guy moved to the Burgh, he is all in


  4. Keith says:

    Is this the best defensive OF the Bucs have fielded in, I dunno, 18 years?

  5. Naje says:

    13 is definitely the tone-setter and has been from day one. He’s even sent messages up the ladder to the GM about who he wants on the roster (the types of players) and he’s had input in getting them (see Wood, B; Paul, X).

    He’s made a difference. A big one.

    As for Huntington, 42 players have played for this team this year. 42. Most in the majors (tied with the Dodgers). More than 80% of those players were brought in by Huntington. That’s pretty clear evidence that he’s done a good job bringing talent to this team that has been beset by a lot of injuries.

    Think of him whatever you will… but it takes a long time to raise the dead as Syd Thrift once said. There’s something going on with this club.

    Where exactly was the talent? Correia, McDonald, Karstens, Morton… all brought in by Huntington.

    McKenry, (Snyder), Fryer, Overbay, Cedeno, d’Arnaud, Harrison, Tabata, Jones, XPaul, Diaz, Bowker… all brought in by Huntington.

    Hanrahan, (Meek), Veras, (Beimel), Resop and others, all brought in by Huntington.

    Not saying he’s the greatest, just putting out the facts.

  6. Bizrow says:


    I know this will tick you off

    Too many bad deals early, its old news but still fact, opportunites, chips to spend

    Too much disdain for players JW, Bay, Freddie, hell Bautista

    Perry Hill, the choices for pitching coaches, keeping JR long past his shelf life
    Tony Sanchez?

    Granted NH has not openly tasted his foot for a while,

    Slick hasn’t been a cars salesman either

    Attendance is up, its easy to be cool when things are going ok

    We’ll see, but far too early IMHO to annoint NH as GM of the century
    That being said, June 29th, we have a new home, unstifled, we are excited about our club, wow

    Too early to annoint Huntington, hidden vigorish?

    Whats this draft class going to cost?

  7. Bizrow says:

    I guess I’m at the point where I expect things on the field, but I hope the FO has learned and will not screw things up, as in the past

    Lets Go Bucs

    Heck they even have the old theme song at PBC, someone is learning

  8. Naje says:

    Not ticked off at all…

    I think they’ve learned from their many mistakes. They may not be perfect, but they’ve learned.

    You gotta sweep all that stuff away and just look forward. Huntington’s had some terrible deals yes, but you have to clean out the basement completely before rebuilding the foundation.

    I’m not looking back anymore other than to say, yes, there were some very bad moves.

    But there have been some very good ones. Hiring Hurdle is top of the list. And you just cannot deny that the team is winning with a few holdovers from Littlefield, many acquisitions from Huntington and even some organizational depth… where we’ve had NONE or precious little in the last two decades.

  9. MrB says:

    I can’t believe a couple of you guys are talking sweep with two games to play.

    Take em one at a time people please.

  10. Naje says:

    Biz… as for the last couple of questions, not anointing NH as GM of the year, let alone decade or anything else… no way.

    But what if this team, losers of 299 games in the last three seasons, wins 260+ games in the next three seasons? (Yeah, they’ll still have a losing record with him at the helm!)

    And that point about what is this 2011 draft class going to cost is very important, especially when thinking about adding dollars to the payroll for this season’s club. Not making excuses in advance, but it’s a tricky situation for them.

  11. Bizrow says:

    Ok, Naje

    Just explaining why I am not warm and fuzzy about the FO

    And if you listen, the players draft and the payroll we have heard many times are two totally distinct buckets

    IF NH is sharp, now is the time, if they are tired of losing, now is the time

    Not twiddling the fingers, this appears to be an opportunity, at this current time

    @MrB – I know, one at a atime, but am still ticked with the Bosox series, “Well we won 2 of 3″, crap, we stole one last night, I want em all, why not?

  12. Bizrow says:

    IMO with all the injuries, this is a pretty good lineup

    Presley gets a swinging K with a good moving 2-2 pitch

    Chase – fly to right center, he is now 3 for 17

    Legent in Right, Zavier Paul a scratch, great play at first, a diving stop, Legend goes down 3 unassisted

  13. Keith says:

    Any predictions for how long a Pirates career for the following:


    Here are mine:

    McCutchen: 10 yrs
    Tabata: 3 yrs
    Presley: 5 yrs
    Paul: 3 yrs
    Jones: 1 yr

  14. MrB says:

    @Bizrow – Because it makes you sound like the atypical ignorant, pompous Bosox fan…that’s why not. ;-)

  15. Bizrow says:

    Escobar up, lets hope Paul can cut down on the pitches

    Broken bat single to first, Cutch guns him out trying to stretch it into a double, one down

    Thames up 3-1 pitch grounded out 3-1

    Joey Bats up, walked on a 3-1 pitch

    Lind up, grounded up the middle on an 0-2 pitch, first and second

    Encarnacion, DH, two dingers last night up

    Popped to right on a 3-1 pitch, not clean, but 0-0 after 1

  16. BobbyToledo says:

    Toledo, Ohio, here

  17. Bizrow says:

    I’m thinking this is a good start, as Maholm has struggled lots in the first, he came out unscathed

    Cutch leading off

    A painted third strike swining

    Paul is out with a hamstring

    Vitamins, people!!! Or a couple of Irons and some aspirins

    PRNW in a hole, 0-2, stike three called, off the plate a bit

    3 Ks for Morrow

    Overbay up, quickly in the hole 0-2, K’d on a sweet pitch low and away, taking


  18. Bizrow says:

    MrB where do you get those smiles ; }

    Bobby Toldeo

    Welcome, that makes 70, I think

  19. Bizrow says:

    Hill up

    Cedeno to Overpaid, one down

    Rivera up

    BWalk is not pleased with the called strikes from the past inning against the good guys BTW

    A shot that caroms off the 3rd base bag, single

    Molina up, to Chase, to PRNW to Overpaid, DP

    After 2 no score

    Decent inning pitch count wise, IMO from PM

  20. Bizrow says:

    Trib was timely on the Zavier Paul news via a tweet BTW

  21. Bizrow says:

    Diaz a lazy can of corn to center, first pitch, one down

    RONNY – grounder to 2nd, two down

    Morrow was a No 5 first round pick several years ago (2005?)

    Fryer, grounder to third, 9 up 9 down

    Bottom of 3

  22. Bizrow says:

    R Davis – popped up to the infield – he steals bases and was traded in the Matt Morris trade, I believe

    Escobar – lazy flie to Cutch

    Thames – PRWN to Overpaid

    Good inning for PM

  23. Bizrow says:

    Elvis up

    Working on a no-no here, Morrow that is

    Grounder down the line, nice play by Lind, nice hustle by Elvis, Hurdle argues, 3-1 putout

    Chase, hard grounder/shot off third basemans glove, Joey Bats, dribbles to left, first hit

  24. MrB says:

    Biz – Be sure to add the nose as in semi-colon, dash, right-parenthesis ;-)

    or colon, dash right-parenthesis :-)

  25. Bizrow says:

    The Legend

    A cople of tosses to first, 3-0 to GJ

  26. JAL says:

    Smiles are easy, just need the code :)

  27. Bizrow says:

    Liner to 2nd, Chase sneaks back to first, two outs

    Cutch grounder to 3rd, three down

  28. Bizrow says:

    Thanks with the smile help

    But what? No button?

    I’m lost but will check on :-}

  29. Bizrow says:


    Bautista pops up, one down

    Lind line drive double over GJ glove

    Encarnacion – pop up, two down

    Hill third to first, no score after 4

  30. MrB says:

    Oops, guess it doesn’t recognize that one :-D

  31. MrB says:

    My bad…mis-typed the semi-colon for the colon

  32. Bizrow says:

    Any word on the Jagrwatch?

    Gotta learn to multitask/multiworry

    PRNW, a four pitch walk

    Overbay gets a few boos

  33. pittmd says:

    Obay, Obay, Obay !

  34. Steve Smith says:

    Nice knock for Overbay.

  35. Bizrow says:

    Overbay singles in the hole betwixt 2 and 1, on a full count, PRNW scoots to third

    Bucs/ducks on the corners

  36. Steve Smith says:

    Neal tried to do a Popi with that slide.

  37. Bizrow says:

    Diaz up

    Chopper off the place, JoeyBats throws PRNW out at the plate, not a good AB, IMO

  38. MrB says:

    Nice hit Ronny…Diaz makes me sick.

  39. Steve Smith says:

    Baserunning is not looking too hot right now.

  40. Bizrow says:

    Ronny gets a rip to right center, Overpay scores, Diaz runs into an out, Ronny makes it to second, 1-0 good guys, Diaz got caught in a cutoff, crap

  41. Steve Smith says:

    Does the ROOTS guy know that it is two out yet?

  42. Bizrow says:

    Fryer up, does he have a hit yet?

  43. JoeBucco says:

    Fryer – O-H

    Oh well. Looking forward to hit #1 for the former Buckeye.

  44. Bizrow says:

    Crap, he K’s

    One nothing going to bottom of the inning

  45. JoeBucco says:

    BTW – Pedro is 0 for 2 tonight with a K for Bradenton.

  46. Bizrow says:

    Pedro could do that up here, let me check if I remember :-)

    PM puts em down, still 1-0

  47. Bizrow says:

    The voicesofbaseball CD on the Gunner is great, he’s by himself, broadcasting and either has to go to get a cocktail or whizz, he excuses himself, silence and then pops back

    Prince was the perfect last name for the Gunner

  48. JuniataKid says:

    Wow. I forgot how awful Toronto’s stadium is. I guess it was a big hit when it was built, but I’m betting they wish they had a do-over.

  49. Bizrow says:

    Chase has looked a bit overmatched at the plate, so far, I think two of his hits are speed related

  50. Bizrow says:

    Welcome JuniataKid

    Yeah, I remember paying 100 per seat canadian to see Nolan Ryan there, nuttin special

  51. Bizrow says:


    Why was he not up here earlier, nice speed for the kid

    Heck, he looks a bit like Sidney

  52. Bizrow says:

    I’m thinking PRNW is due for a rip

  53. JuniataKid says:

    Thanks Biz.

    Well, I’m not looking for anything here from Walker. They’ve already gotten Maholm his requisite one run.

  54. Steve Smith says:

    Brew-crew losing again in NY
    STL crushing the O’s again
    Cinci won today 4-3
    Houston losing again
    No score in Chi town

  55. Bizrow says:


    Or not

    Still due

  56. JoeBucco says:

    Easy to miss that NW is hitting only about .220 over the last month with about a .610 OPS. Seems like he gets a bit of a pass, from myself included. I didn’t realize he is slumping so badly.

  57. Bizrow says:

    Good point JK, PRNW is not a 250 hitter

    Expect and hope?

  58. JuniataKid says:

    I wonder if Dejan is working on getting this site to be more dynamic. Doesn’t automatically reload, no avatars, no reply options… Not a great user experience. And on my Mac laptop, it takes FOREVER to load a Trib page. Works fine on the iPad though.

  59. Bizrow says:

    Crap, there goes Paul’s cushion…

  60. Steve Smith says:

    Being that the Bucs K’d 10 times last night, and this dude k’s over 10 per nine, and already has 8, we are looking at around 14 K’s tonight. Dang! Thames just barelt went yard on PM.

  61. JuniataKid says:

    First career homer for Thames. Kee-ripes.

  62. Bizrow says:

    Where is Diaz right now? The catcher we got for JoeyBats?

  63. Steve Smith says:

    How was Bautista not out of the baseline there? He basically was in right field before touching the bag.

  64. JuniataKid says:

    OK, first, Cutch doesn’t take second on a ball that bounced 10 feet from the catcher, then he gave up on that Thames homer that hit the top of the wall and bounced out. He couldn’t have made a leap for that ball? Would have been a highlight-reel catch, but why not give it a shot?

  65. Bizrow says:

    JK – I asked Dejan similar questions, he says not to worry

    If the guy can build blog sites half as good as he writes, and the evidence is there on both counts,

    Lets give him some time :-)

  66. Steve Smith says:

    After nice play, E #3 on Chase. Can’t give them more than 3 outs in this place!

  67. JoeBucco says:

    Seems he fell off the face of the earth. Baseball-Reference says he signed with the Rangers organization this offseason, but he’s not played anywhere since 2009.

  68. Reading says:

    Pirates are getting some calls since Hurdle that Presley play at first base.

  69. Bizrow says:

    What is interesting is there are tons of folks sweating bullets right now over this game

    This time last year, they would be watching the Foodchannel

    I’m just sayin

  70. Steve Smith says:

    Would it be too much for these guys to actually remember the Little League call of “two hands” when making catches. I understand that they are much better than the rest of us, but there are often times – as happen during the Boston series to Reddick – when balls pop out of mitts.

  71. JuniataKid says:

    Well, I think D’Arnaud is pretty much assured of spending the rest of the summer in Indy once Alvarez comes back. He got lucky on that throw to second (Bautista was safe) then had another error right after that. I have high hopes for the kid, but he’s not ready yet. Next year, maybe he’s our starting shortstop.

  72. JoeBucco says:

    Nevermind, don’t know how I missed it. Is in AAA for Texas. Hitting .351 in 19 games at Round Rock.

  73. JoeBucco says:

    @Reading – yep. That’s what killed me about JR never going out there last year. You don’t have to go crazy every time, but I think you can plant a seed and maybe get the next call.

  74. JuniataKid says:

    Well there goes 0-ferbay again.

    Paging Steve Pearce…

  75. Steve Smith says:

    Diaz saw that big meatball of a pitch and wiffed on it. Seems to have too big of a swing most of the time.

  76. Steve Smith says:

    And there is K #10 for Morrow.

  77. Steve Smith says:

    Anybody wander if Jagr has dumped Svoboda and went with Scott Boras for the agent. How long does he need to make up his mind already.

  78. JuniataKid says:

    Cedeno did a head-first slide into first base on a no-throw. Never saw that before.

  79. Steve Smith says:

    Any chance we can piece together all of our remaining catchers to make even one remotely average offensive catcher? These guys are the anchor of this team and it’s dragging them down – along with Diaz, Overbay, and more.

  80. JuniataKid says:

    I like the Pirates’ strategy here. Strike out so much that the starter gets yanked for a high pitch count so you can get to the soft underbelly of the Jays’ bullpen. It’s almost diabolical.

  81. Steve Smith says:

    Game over right there with this offense.

  82. JuniataKid says:

    How does Davis score on that play? Where were the outfielders? Weren’t they charging?

  83. Steve Smith says:

    67% extra base hits for the BJ’s and 0% extra base hits for the Bucs. Sor far in the series 5 homers for them, and 2 for us.

  84. Steve Smith says:

    @JuniataKid, I think they were playing in Ottowa since it also took them forever to get to the ball. They almost collided with eachother as well.

  85. Steve Smith says:

    Another tale of the game, Morrow – 10 K’s, PM – 1 K just now.

  86. Steve Smith says:

    Let’s go offense, we need some runs now!

  87. Steve Smith says:

    Lead off walk would be good right now.

  88. JoeBucco says:

    Pedro walked in his 3rd at bat tonight and was lifted for a pinch runner. Hopefully that was planned and not any kind of problem.

  89. Steve Smith says:

    Okay, at least we have a base runner on a 4 pitch walk.

  90. JuniataKid says:


    Good point on sweating bullets earlier. Who’d a-thunk it? I had this team pegged for about 95 losses.

  91. Steve Smith says:

    GG is due!

  92. Steve Smith says:

    Sorry GJ is due!

  93. Steve Smith says:

    They likely got another call due to Clint earlier in the game.

  94. JoeBucco says:

    Taillon dominant tonight, 1 hit in 3 innings. Alderson struck out the side in his inning. Bryan Morris two perfect innings (the Bay trade still has hope).

  95. JoeBucco says:

    GFJ, and not in a good way.

  96. Steve Smith says:

    Baserunning all night!!! Gahhh!

  97. Steve Smith says:

    Come on 4-5-6. Pick Paul up for a change!

  98. Bizrow says:

    Rally caps, or whatever works, we are in this

    Hell, turn to the food channel if it works ;-)

    I like that smile

    Lets do it!

  99. JuniataKid says:

    Come on, Neil. Do something!

  100. Steve Smith says:

    Wouldn’t you know it, the guy who has half the hits tonight is the only one not to strike out – Cedeno. Come on Overbay!!!

  101. Steve Smith says:

    Can the baseball gods be nice to Diaz and reward him with his first homer of the season? We need it now.

  102. Steve Smith says:


  103. pattonbb says:

    oh well…

  104. pattonbb says:

    Any Jagr news yet?

  105. Steve Smith says:

    Let’s at least get the series win tomorrow with good old Jeffy on the mound. I’d like to see him throw one of those 64 mph curves to wiff Joey Bats. Sleep it off offense, and get ‘um tomorrow. Night everyone!

  106. Bob from mt lebo says:

    Its been pretty quite on the #jagrwatch.

  107. Baywatch says:

    I’m thinking when Pedro gets back, Brandon Wood will be going bye bye … maybe before Pedro gets back? And is there any way Diaz sticks around much longer? He seems so punchless, and tonight when he grounded out to shortstop weakly to end the game I think it was like the second ball he’s pulled all year.

    I certainly think Presley’s a better option than Diaz at this point … and maybe even Jones, who just can’t seem to put anything together consistently.

    And forgive me if y’all have already covered some of these point above. I’ve yet to read. I KNOW: Bad boy!

  108. Drew71 says:

    Just wondering if lack of Jag news means he’s trying to get a bidding war going. If so, Pens will likely not play that game.

  109. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    @Drew: No, there’s no bidding war. And I apologize to all for being out of touch here. I saw almost none of this game because of Jagr Watch. It’s going to make quite a story someday, trust me on that. And I mean the whole thing, the whole process. Just amazing.

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