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Pirates made hard push for Beltran, but he wouldn’t come

Outfielder Carlos Beltran refused to waive his no-trade clause to come to the Pirates, according to a team source, when the Pirates were among several teams pursuing him from the New York Mets.

The Mets are close to a deal to send Beltran to the San Francisco Giants.

The Pirates made an aggressive push to get Beltran, who might have been their top trade target, even though Beltran would have cost $6.5 million the rest of the season. The Pirates and Cleveland Indians both were willing to pick up all of that money. In the deal with the Giants, the Mets will be picking up $4 million of that cost.

Beltran, who had a full no-trade clause, eventually gave the Mets a list of seven teams to whom he could be traded. The Pirates were not among them.

“This decision for Carlos is about the select group of teams where he feels he has a great chance to win,” agent Scott Boras told ESPN. “That’s what this thing is about.”

Comments

  1. TS says:

    The sad truth. But can you blame him?

  2. JimBibbySweat says:

    Beltran will get hurt and miss a good portion of the year. Big Deal.

  3. JMB says:

    We need MORE ESPN love to get these guys to come!

    Sorry DK!

  4. Mike Shaeffer says:

    What do you mean “can you blame him”? Why wouldn’t anyone want to be a part of this Pirates team? Has the chance to be remembered as the team that made history.

  5. DanFlick says:

    Well folks…. If I had no ties to Pittsburgh, I would easily choose San Francisco too.

    Very nice to see management was being aggressive in pursuing him though.

  6. AJS says:

    It is still the cold hard truth. Pittsburgh is going to have to do a lot more to become a place where guys will waive their no trades to play. At least this shows that Neal is in the game and is looking to add a piece.

  7. Tony Fratto says:

    Good – I can think of a lot things the Pirates can do with that money, and they’re NOT at all deep enough to give up any talent to rent a guy for a couple of months (even with the division title in reach). I was about to give NH credit for standing pat and not doing something really stupid. It looks like Beltran saved him from that. We don’t need short-term sugar; we need to eat our vegetables. Think long term & think about a system.

  8. Slick1 says:

    DK:

    Any word if prospects were even discussed or did it not get that far based on the no-trade situation?

  9. Fat Jimmy says:

    Our hatred should be redirected from Jerry Meals to Carlos Beltran.

    F him. Seriously. He’s a &@$#y loser and always has been. San Francisco just got worse.

  10. mmeestro says:

    I REALLY want to know if he had a NL Central team on his list of acceptable teams. If he did, then clearly the stigma of the Pirates has not yet been wiped clean.

  11. Fat Jimmy says:

    Trade was for a SF pitching prospect. We got one of those once. Mets can plan on Wheeler throwing 82 and converted to single A reliever by next year…

  12. chrisaz520 says:

    At least it gives me some hope that the Pirates are actually willing to take on salary.

  13. CDBrewer says:

    I will look for Beltran’s name on the DL for the rest of his career…
    Pro sports have been letting the inmates run the asylum in too many ways, for too long.

    As for Mr. Boras…Dante didn’t come up with a ring of Hell that provides enough justice for Rosenhaus, Boras, and the agents that turned it all on its head.

    Disgusting.
    And I have been vocal about not wanting Beltran…

    Another opportunity to play disrespect card for Hurdle and the kids?

  14. FormerSoxFan says:

    It’s possible the Pirates dodged a bullet judging by what the Giants gave up. Maybe Marte could’ve gotten it done had th Bucs picked up his remaining salary, but I dunno.

  15. PetroSteel says:

    Dont want a guy that doesnt want to be here.
    I hate to say it but our biggest and best trade chip is Correia. Based on how he has pitched lately, he might not be much help in the second half. But, he has to look good to some other teams. 11 wins and an all star. Trade Correia for the bat we need before he is exposed anymore.

  16. CDBrewer says:

    @Jimmy

    Completely with you on Beltran.
    He’s got no heart – he can’t be part of change. He would gripe if he lost AB’s in a walk year.
    I am telling you, he was part of the problem with the Met team that lead to Randolph’s dismissal. He is a quiter, and he has been timid in the field since his collision with Cameron.

    Boy, I would love to see him get drilled in each of our games by the Bay next month.

  17. Fat Jimmy says:

    CDB, completely agree. In fact, I hope Satan offers Boras’ first day in Hell on pay-per-view, because I’d buy.

  18. Curt says:

    Dodged two bullets this week: No Beltran and Giambi to the DL. What a relief!
    I still am thinking about Michael Morse and Ian Desmond train of thought. Nationals want to keep making moves. I’d like to see Morse in our lineup. Any recent activity on these guys or Hunter Pence?!?

  19. vandelay industries says:

    “Beltran, who might have been their top trade target, even though Beltran would have cost $6.5 million the rest of the season. The Pirates and Cleveland Indians both were willing to pick up all of that money”

    I wonder if that will be enough to begin to put to rest the notion that the FO won’t spend when the time is right?

  20. Bizrow says:

    If Dejan said it, it is so

    That being said, I don’t think we would have matched the Giants offer, their No 1 pitching prospect, who is pretty much ahead of anything we have in the system.

    They, fellow lunatics, are rolling the dice.

    @vandelay – Not me, I’m from Missouri, show me

    So how about picking up Pena? If we are willing to spend?

    Lets see

  21. bdubb says:

    Well we don’t need someone who doesn’t want to be here. But it does always amaze me that these guys have these tremendous, lucky lives and they don’t want to go somewhere for 2 months. Remember how we loved Shawon Dunston for those 2 months when he came here in ’97?

    Oh well. Great talent lost but for all we know he will end up on the DL AGAIN!!

    Kudos for management for reaching out. Curious as to how serious they were but glad we didn’t overpay. I think we are a couple years away from having a really deep minor league system and hence have the ability to make such moves. But for now, let’s piece it together for the next 2 months (Pena or Cuddyer) and not destroy what has been built (to this point)

  22. I think Carlos just didn’t see the Buc-o’s as legit. They still have a lot to prove.

    They’re having a great season at PNC. They just have to keep doing what they were doing……duh, and they should be in the Central race all season

    It sucks to see my Mets lose him, but at least Philly and Atlanta don’t get him!

  23. vandelay industries says:

    @biz

    “show me”

    Show you what exactly? The article made it pretty clear that we were willing to pick up more, more, than the Giants eventually did.

    I’m not sure what else the FO had to do in this situation to begin to break away at old misconceptions.

    “So how about picking up Pena? If we are willing to spend?”

    Maybe they don’t want him? I’d like them to get him, but if they don’t want him then so be it.

    Fact is, they appear to be willing to spend to add to the team, but they’re not gonna do it willy nilly just to appease folks.

  24. Bizrow says:

    109 locations represented in the blog, First Place in both the Burgh blogs and the NL Central, except for the worst call ever
    7/27/2011 5:55 PM

  25. Bizrow says:

    Don’t talk, do so

    Its as simple as that, always excuses

  26. Bizrow says:

    Meanwhile the guys on the field battle their butts off

    Dejan reported they were willing to spend the money, ok, but they knew they couldn’t match the offers, sooooo

    Nuttin really ventured,

    How about Pena?

  27. vandelay industries says:

    “Don’t talk, do so

    Its as simple as that, always excuses”

    Were they supposed to hold a gun to Beltran and force him to accept the trade?

    Fact is, they did ‘do so’. It was in the trade offer.

  28. Bizrow says:

    Heck, before I get more crap, here’s my thoughts

    Saying you will do something is entirely different than doing something.

    Sign the No 2 pick, Bell

    We have time, tick, tick, tick, pick up Pena and pay the 6 million, ok, not as good as Beltran, but actually its the best fit

    Make no mistake about things, if our reporter posts it here, its fact.

    Its really irrelevant and proves nothing, Beltran said no

    Again, saying something is quite different than actually doing, doing proves, saying, that and a donut = a donut

    Prove it

  29. Bizrow says:

    Ok, we respectfully disagree, I respectfully move on

    Big game tonight, I can’t wait, Beat Em Bucs

    That being said, tick, tick, tick

  30. aglebagel says:

    Carlos Beltran=Marian Hossa

  31. JAL says:

    Biz

    Read it again, Pirates had no chance to make an offer. Giants offer and Pirates offer would have different. Giants would not take on most of his salary, Pirates were willing to do so. If you take his full salary Mets would take less. All moot because Beltran did not have them on his list. Can’t fault the Pirates on this one.

  32. THUNDER says:

    Until the Bucco’s get the player…I’m not impressed. They always fall …just alittle short. They said they are willing to spend money when the time is right…? Is the time right? Or is it next year ….A game or two outta 1st, over .500. A small market team that hasn’t spent money since Joe L. Brown. The time is now! Show the fans something. They showed up. Time for management to show up.

  33. Link Mendoza says:

    I would have liked to have added Beltran’s bat, but not for that cost. Wheeler is a lot better prospect than the guys that we should be willing to trade. The Giants gave up a lot for a 2 month rental.

  34. CDBrewer says:

    Talked to my best friend in NY and he is laughing about the deal. He hates Beltran and Reyes and thinks they have actually been holding the franchise back until this year, which is, coincidentally, their walk years.

    My wife (a recovering Met fan) has been screaming at the tv for several years that Beltran won’t go near a wall. We watch little of the Mets, but enough that she has cursed about that a couple times this year.

    We’ll all see if Cain, Timmy, and that staff appreciate a bat at the expense of a poor OF.

    Biz,

    Gotta say, I don’t want Pena – to much “Cubness”.
    Would you have felt good about getting Giambi (pre-injury)? Proves they will spend…stupidly.
    I would like Morse or some of the younger guys – but they are cheaper.
    That wouldn’t prove anything to you, or would it?

  35. Happy G says:

    Unfortunately, we are the Pirates. For comparison sakes, free agents go to the Steelers because they have a chance to win it all every year. Until our Bucs have a good rest of this season and stay consistently good for several seasons we can expect this sort of thing.

  36. Greg says:

    Would of been nice to have him,but he will get hurt and miss the rest of the season anyway…

  37. bob swope says:

    I’m encouraged with the fact that we are actual buyers this year instead of sellers. The annual exodus of starting players to other teams always depressed me

  38. Tony says:

    Am I the only one who senses that Pedro Alvarez changes the dynamics and competitiveness of this team; in a negative way? The team seems to have a more upbeat (literally and figuratively) tenor when Presley and D’Arnaud are in the lineup. Pedro looks a wee bit more comfortable at the plate this go around but he’s still looks overmatched by a good slider and an Uncle Charlie. We should expect to see him fed a steady diet of these ptiches. I can’t help but have a bad feeling with Pedro — too many strikeouts, too many errors on routine plays.

    If he wasn’t a number 1 draft choice would he be in the lineup today or at Indy?

    You just gotta ask these questions.

  39. Thundercrack says:

    DK,
    I thought you said – a week or so ago- NH wasn’t doing anything.

  40. Roy says:

    MLB is so bad why do you people care? The pirates are minor leaguers at best

  41. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    @TC: No, I wrote that he wasn’t getting anything DONE. Care to debate the point?

  42. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    With Beltran out of thepicture and Pence unlikely, and apparently Cuddyer unavailable, there isn’t a whole lot of certain improvements out there. I am still not excited about Carlos Pena. I would rather they get a .300 hittter with occasional pop than a .210 power hitter.

    Michael Morse is extremely streaky, and I doubt the Expos would deal him anyway, but he would be worth a gamble if they could get him without overspending. If Melky Cabrera stays hot and skinny, he could help the rest of the year, though I wouldn’t trust him long term.

    I wonder if they could coax Jim Edmonds out of retirement. Or if they really want to get nutty, how about Barry Bonds?

  43. Bulldog says:

    all i know is this… we are still in the hunt after losing 105 last year. This plan is starting to show itself to be working. I’m just as fired up as anyone, trust me, but why would we expect anyone to trade with us without holding up our prospects for ransom until it gets to the last minute? Things don’t get DONE until someone blinks. i.e. NFL lockout?

  44. Stephen in New York says:

    @ Pig Legs
    Who are the Expos?

  45. keith rodkey says:

    Amen Tony Fratto.Eat those veggies boys. Try spinach. It worked for Popeye. I like this team and where we are going. If our pitching holds up,( I believe it will ) then we are are a team to be reckoned with.
    Cincy is a non factor. St.Louis and The Brew Crew can hit the hell out of the ball but their pitching leaves much to be desired. Pitching wins.
    Keith Rodkey

  46. What happened to common sense? says:

    “For comparison sakes, free agents go to the Steelers because they have a chance to win it all every year.”

    Do you actually pay attention?

    The Steelers are the epitome of building through the draft. Nearly every player in their starting 22 were drafted by them. Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Mendenhall, Hines, MIke Wallace, Pouncey, Essex, Kemoeatu, Starks, David Johnson (when they start a fullback) on Offense. Taylor, Woodley, Harrison, Hampton, Kiesel, Hood, Timmons, Polamalu, and Bryant McFadden (he left and came back) on defense.

    That’s 19 of 22.

  47. Kyle says:

    Have zero interest in the excuses of the front office. You either do your job or you don’t. Nothing else matters.

  48. Thundercrack says:

    Your headline on July 2: Front Office Slumbers.
    Now you tell me they made an aggressive push for Beltran. When did the push start? After their nap?

    This team obviously needs a bat. I hear/read the list of suspects and none of them makes me think they’ll make much of a difference. Or big enough difference. (they will not get Pence)

    But I also think they should trade for a first baseman, any first baseman, so that we don’t have to watch Overbay anymore. Pearce ain’t the answer.

  49. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Montreal Expos=Washington Nationals – same as always, nothings changed, not even the colors.

  50. What happened to common sense? says:

    The difference between the Steelers and the Pirates success is that the Steelers have the benefit of equal revenue sharing among the teams and as well as a salary cap. The Steelers don’t have to worry about a team from a market 4 times larger (and that’s cutting it in half for the Mets) paying 5 times more for their roster of players.

    The Pirates metro area population in 2010 was around 2.35 Mil people. The New York metro area population; 18.9 Mil people. The ability to create revenue is exponentially greater for teams like that in MLB.

    It’s time to get real people and quit with the conspiracy crap. The NFL and NHL have attempted to address the logistical problems and MLB refuses.

  51. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Of the available firstbasemen, none would be much better than Pearce-Overbay-Jones.
    You don’t trade just to trade, you trade to improve. I bet Carlos Pena would not hit many homers if he came to Pgh, and he is useless otherwise. Somehow the city just deadens homerun bats. Look at guys like Hinske, Overbay and Matt Diaz. That is why I would rather they focus on .300 hitters and forget about homeruns. Guys like Pence, Cuddyer or Helton would be the likliest to succeed here. Even Melky Cabrera or Michael Morse. Casey Kotchman might even help, the way he’s hitting this year.

    If the Dodgers are sellers because of their money trouble, Andre Ethier would be a good target too.

  52. What happened to common sense? says:

    reposting from another blog post cause it fits here…

    I’m sorry but the call for some of the current “big bats” is ridiculous in PNC Park. The Pirates don’t need more K’s in the lineup they need guys who put the ball in play consistently. The park is too big in the gaps to worry about HR’s unless the hitter is a no-doubter type of HR hitter, or a dead pull hitter that hits sky rockets. Those aren’t readily available. The Pirates need a couple gap-to-gap guys that are going to keep the speed on the basepaths moving. Pure and simple. If they played in Cincinnati’s lunch box sized park or the friendly confines then looking for pure pop would be fine.

    I’d rather see them give up a couple prospects for Billy Butler in KC or Adam Lind in TOR or Cuddyer from MIN. They are all solid contact guys that hit a few HR’s and a lot of doubles who don’t K a lot.

  53. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Yes, thats what I’ve been saying all year. That is why a player like Carlos Pena would most likely be a bust in this town.
    If KC is a seller they have Melky Cabrera who would come cheap, and Alex Gordon or Billy Butler if they want to spend more.The latter two would be long term fixes as well, not just for this year like Cabrera. Melky is only good when he stays in shape.

    Considering how well the Pirates have done with a team of mainly .260 hitters, bringing in a couple of .300 hitters would do wonders for this team, much moreso than a strikeout prone power guy.

    If Cuddyer was available, which is unlikely, he would be the best target after Pence.

  54. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    And like everyone who mentions the Padres talks about Ryan Ludwick, I instead would focus on a guy like Chase Headley, who hits .300 but doesn’t have much power. Headley would be more useful to this team than the strikeout prone Ludwick.

  55. What happened to common sense? says:

    I like Headley somewhat. I think he’s a victim of the Park he plays in too. He also has to hit in Arizona, San Fran, and LA regularly and none are considered hitter friendly. His sub .270 avg until this year is a concern, but his OBP is fairly consistent. He is a switch hitter and would be an overall improvement at first base.

    I also think Garrett Jones should be given more than two days a week. He’s proven to be a 20-30 (HR-2B) guy that generally plays an above average first base. At the minimum, he gives you a lot more at the plate than Overbay.

  56. Pretty says:

    I am so excited the Giants FINALLY added another bat by trading for Beltran. Maybe we can score AND pitch now. GO GIANTS

  57. T.J. says:

    As my wife said to me after last night’s contest…”29 innings and Pirates only scored 4 runs?!” “Righto”, I answered back. Yep…gotta do something and glad that NH is trying. That said…guys on the field tonight need to start stepping it up! Doesn’t get any easier with the Phillies looming this weekend…

    Go Bucs!

  58. PETER RANICH says:

    THE REALITY IS, PUT A LINE UP ON THE FIELD INCLUDING WOOD AT THIRD, D’ARNAUD AT SHORT, PRESSLEY IN RIGHT, AND JONES AT FIRST AND STICK WITH IT. THERE ARE 2 POWER HITTERS IN THERE,ONE LEFT HANDED AND ONE RIGHT HANDED AND YOU ARE STILL SPEEDY AND HAVE PLENTY OF ENERGY AND YOUTH. HOW CAN A YOUNG PLAYER OR ANY PLAYER PRODUCE WHEN THERE IS SO MUCH INCONSISTANCY? OBVIOUSLY, I AM COUNTING ON TABATA BACK IN LEFT. BY THE WAY, WOOD WAS A #1 PICK, HAS 5 HOMERS IN A LIMITED ROLE AND JONES HIT 20 SOME HOMERS IN A FULL SEASON.

  59. chuck snow says:

    @CD Brewer….agree with you if your not with us your against us. Nice friendly plunk to the Ribs ought to do it. Just to say Hello!

  60. Ron says:

    The logical move to me is Carlos Pena. We pay his salary for 1/2 a year and probably do not have to give up much. I agree do not trade any top prospects but how often does a chance to win the Division happen, so we should get another bat now. Who knows we could be looking at a sweep of the Braves with just a little more offense.

  61. Ron says:

    Also Beltran bad move. You disrespected all Latino’s. Passed on a chance to help Clemente’s team win a Championship because you did not think they were good enough. Shame on you!

  62. Tom says:

    We should be looking for upgrades, not big names and the big salary that comes with it. They should look at a team that has the ability to deal out of depth and strength from their system. I would target a guy like Chris Dave from the Texas Rangers. He is a corner infielder and has a lot of pop in his bat. With Mitch Moreland locked in at 1st base there, they should be able to make a reasonable offer to get Davis.

  63. BUCS Fan in Atlanta says:

    Prediction: He will blow out a knee during the first 10-15 games he plays in SF and spend the rest of the season on the DL.

  64. Mayor McRibi says:

    Lifelong Pirate Fan (1st time “caller”):
    I agree with those suggesting good contact hitters as opposed to the power guys that are nearly impossible to land, affordable upgrades at realistic prices, & I definitely don’t want anyone that doesn’t want to be part of what we have finally turning around here! (ie “lightweight’s” that aren’t up to the challenge!) We need more run scoring potential for the tight games so we can try to limit wasting good outings by the pitching staff. Really enjoying the young, hungry, hustling players trying to make the best out of one of the best opportunities to play in the major’s.

  65. What happened to common sense? says:

    “Really enjoying the young, hungry, hustling players trying to make the best out of one of the best opportunities to play in the major’s.”

    AMEN

 
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