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  1. This isn’t over. As a matter of fact, i have a sickening feeling that we are just scratching the surface. This very well could end up as one of the single greatest collegiate tragedies, just barely behind Kent St. And Va. Tech. This will forever haunt Pennsylvania and Penn State University. Everyone should go down. The current and former goveners who have been on the PSU board need to go down. Federal investigation, whatever it takes. There will be more coverups and possibly more missing individuals. This is an incredible travesty! Coming from a Former PSU student and JoPa sympathizer.

  2. Hope everyone stays healthy and calm.

    And I hope a football game breaks out. JUST a football game.

  3. I’m with you Drew. I also want the seniors to have the proper send off with a great game and atmosphere, they deserve it!

  4. Sorry to continue this, but I want to respond to some, only some, of the hysterical comments yesterday by Foo. I appreciate that you recognize that it is your ‘love’ of Joe that causes you to back him. What I don’t appreciate is that, at the same time, you say there are only two kinds of people in the world—people who love Joe and everyone else, and everyone else is wrong.

    And whenever this gets talked about you say “We have only opinions and conjecture on what he was told by McQueary.” Drew, who also appears to “love” Joe posted before, a couple times I think, Joe’s testimony to the grand jury. That seems to get ignored with these continued defenses. What we do know is that the grand jury report (not the media and not “Joe haters” presumably) said:

    “Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant’s report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley (“Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

    I kept hearing people saying Joe was only told it was “horseplay.” Curly denied he was told the conduct involved anything of a sexual nature and he said he was only told it was “horseplay.” And that is at least one reason why he was charged with perjury. Joe didn’t testify he was told it was “horseplay,” he said he told Curley McQueary said it was “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.” If based on that you think Joe’s conduct was right and legal (apparently it was legal), then cool, but let’s not pretend we don’t know anything about what Joe was told.

    Just trying to deal with the facts. And it sounds a little arrogant to me to call your “superior” to your home on a Sunday. It’s certainly the power move. But we are obviously going to disagree about the arrogance aspect, as well as whether Joe deserved to be fired, especially if you don’t see his “retirement” letter as anything other than a last ditch effort to save his job through the end of the season, although I do think he feels a responsibility to the players. Reasonable minds can differ, like about Hurdle.

  5. I’m looking forward to “kids playing a game” today.

    When I play sports, I return to being a kid again too.

    I’m not ignoring the extraordinarily serious peripheral events. But I just want to ‘escape’ and watch “kids play a game.”

  6. AW……..again, you are looking at the ‘facts’ through your eyes. I see it differently. We don’t know what McQ actually told his dad or JoePa or any of that. Should Joe have gone to the police? Well, we already know that the police found NOTHING wrong with the ’98 ‘fondling’, even with a wiretap. So, was that an option? It would’ve come down to McQ’s word vs Sandusky’s.

    It doesn’t sound arrogant to me to call my superior over on a Sunday. How do you know that was the only day he could make it? You don’t……to you it looks like a power move, because you think that’s all JoePa did. Why does everyone think that Joe was gonna retire ON HIS TERMS? In similar situations, didn’t Fla St and Grambling fire Bowden and Robinson? “On his terms” was only an opinion that was repeated so often it became fact.

    As for “Bugonarug” comment about JoePa calling Switzer/Sherrill what’s wrong with college FB, I agree. The Sabans/Petrinos, et al, continue that. I happen to think that JoePa did what was right with college FB.

    My point was that EVERYONE is going to interpret the ‘facts’ through how they feel about JoePa overall. And the ‘facts’ as we have them so far beg so many questions, it’s not even funny. And a lot of the ‘facts’ that we know about JoePa are really just opinions depending on your point of view.

    One final point………..Hurdle is to blame for Pedro, the pitching collapse and the October snow we had. :)

    ….

  7. Loved the prayer before the game….

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  8. We don’t know what McQueary told Joe in 2002, but we know everything about what happened in 1998? We know Joe told the grand jury that he told Curly that McQueary told him Sandusky was in the shower fondling or doing something of a sexual nature with a young boy. Joe said that. Man, how is that an opinion? Easy enough to check McQueary’s story AT THE TIME if Sandusky did in fact rape that 10 year old boy. It just amazes me how in some’s zeal to protect Joe, over Penn State and everybody else, there is this easy slander of everyone else, from Bradley to reporters to other posters who see it differently. I’m not aware of any similar situations.

    I hope the boys and Bradley win today.

    (BTW, I’m not claiming some people on both sides of the issue aren’t overreacting, like Disgusted saying the current governor should go down, too. You know, the governor who was the Attorney General when the investigation began in the Attorney General’s office. And Bradley because he “had to know.” Yup, some overreaction all around).

  9. That sucked………sure woulda been nice to win….I WAS 90% depressed. Now, I’m 99% depressed. And, if the Steelers lose to Cincy………….

    Foo

  10. Just to clarify one thing, because everyone seems to be overlooking this fact. Arriba, Jon Seibel and others have been claiming that Paterno told the grand jury he saw Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

    However, those ARE NOT Paterno’s exact words, as people mistakenly seem to believe. Read the grand jury report – there are no quotes around those words. That phrase is the grand jury’s paraphrasing of what they thought Paterno told them during his testimony. It’s their interpretation – not a direct quote. Who knows if Joe ever actually used the word “fondling” himself.

    It’s a slight distinction, but an important one to point out. I admit that it’s not looking good for Joe, but unless we see a complete transcript of his testimony, we are never going to know for sure exactly what he said.

  11. I assume this was an inadvertent error, Scott, but I am not claiming, and the grand jury report did not say, that Paterno “saw” anything. The report says he told Curly that Mcqueary told him that. Two people were apparently present for that conversation, Curly and Paterno, and Curly didn’t say that’s what was said, which is why he was charged with perjury. The “sexual nature” comment is key to both the charges against Curly for perjury AND not reporting it to the proper authorities. I quoted the grand jury report on this exact topic in my post above at # 4. You are certainly free to read it how you want. I believe the report is written is such a way as to support the charges, not to provide every piece of evidence and testimony.

    I also think if you read what the report says about McQueary that Joe passing on that the conduct was of a sexual nature was how they concluded that legally he had performed his duty, but that is opinion. Again, Curly didn’t say he was told that by Joe.

  12. Many people are viewing Joe Paterno like a pro athlete or another high-profile public figure. That he is somehow above the law; deserves special treatment or a pass, and so on and so forth. If the coach was some guy in a Division II school in a no-name small town — everything else being equal in this sad event — then you can bet that that coach would be — and I’m talking figuratively speaking here — hung in the public square.

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