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Final: Giants 5, Pirates … well, take a guess


Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (2-4) vs. San Francisco Giants (2-4)

Time: 4:35 p.m.

Site: AT&T Park, San Francisco

Radio: 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score. Karen Price has brought her windbreaker.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Alex Presley, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Casey McGehee, 1B
  5. Garrett Jones, RF
  6. Rod Barajas, C
  7. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  8. Josh Harrison, SS
  9. James McDonald, RHP


  1. gregenstein says:

    Yeah! Rid (us of) Barajas hitting 6th!


    DK: I’ve ridden the world of that typo.

  2. Chris says:

    alvarez and harrison on the left side of the infield is a little worrisome haha

  3. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Alvarez anywhere right now is slightly worrisome, unless it’s the Hoosier state. Rid Barajas must be Rod’s younger brother. (Love it when DK makes a small typo or something and people call attention to it like it’s the Stock Market crash of 1929)

  4. JRay3 says:

    Afternoon Bucco fans…today is the day for a breakout, keeping it positive! Nice to see McGehee get rewarded for his hot start. Cain struggled in his first appearance giving up 2 HR’s 6 hits and a couple of free passes, let’s make him work today boys! Would really like to see Pedro come up with a multi-hit game, this sport can be very mental and his mindset has to be extremely fragile.

  5. JAL says:

    Mental it is, talked with Tony Clark about that yesterday.

  6. LuckyNKentucky says:


    He would be a good one to discuss it with. He had his ups and downs.

  7. JRay3 says:

    @ JAL – Any more scoop to that conversation? Did he give his opinion on the player aforementioned by any chance?

  8. JRay3 says:

    @ DK – I have read you were ripping Greg Ritchie on the Pittsburgh radio airwaves today…if true THANK YOU!!!

    DK: Been doing that in this space and in two separate columns for a while now.


    LETS GO BUCS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I AM IN THE BAY FRONT ROW !!!!!!!!!!!


  10. JAL says:


    No, did not get into specific players. I said that everyone who makes it to MLB has a high level of talent and Tony said that is true, he has seen players with tremendous talent who did not have careers as good as players with less talent. He said the game in the head the key, all the talent in world does not automatically give you confidence to play well.

    You see that when players say “have to trust my stuff”. Pitchers who nibble instead of going after hitters. Hitters who watch pitches go by because they lack to confidence to swing and hit them.

  11. JAL says:


    Enjoy the game

  12. JRay3 says:

    @ Daryle – Sweet, bring us home a W!

  13. JohninOshkosh says:

    National Optimism Day!!!

    All losing ends today for both Bucs/Pens and winning streaks begin!!!


  14. JRay3 says:

    Stat of the day…the Pirates have played with the lead for 1/2 an inning out of the 55 innings they have played this season.

  15. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Nice recovery from that massive error, DK. “Ridden” the world of “Rid” Barajas. Clever. Something like Groat would come up with. Hats off.

  16. Baywatch says:

    Daryle, Bro! A win, please! Your East Texas brethen await …

  17. Baywatch says:

    Uh … that be “brethren” … or “Rid?” LOL!

  18. AJS says:

    Is hurdle just playing with the lineup hoping SOMETHING will work or what is his plan here. I feel like every day i look at the line up and it looks like Hurdle hrew names into a hat and pulled em out declaring their position before he does so.

    Taking Tabata out of the lineup to make sure Jones, Alvarez, and McGhee are all in the line-up seems like a strange move to me. I understand yesterday’s B-Team lineup for resting guys, but to turn around and have Harrison in the line up again today and no Tabata in the line up just seems odd.

    Of course no one on this team can hit so as long as you don’t suffer defensively what’s the difference?

  19. RobertoForever says:

    Lets go Bucs! Ruin the Giants home opener. Still wondering why everyone is headed right to the bottom of the negativity pit. Can we declare a 7 day “negative-free” week? Analysis, fine. Negativity- let’s save it for May.

    I don’t believe any players mental state is “fragile” 6 games into the season, especially when the FO and the Coach have said that you are the starter and will be given every opportunity to succeed.

    I think this is the 7th different lineup in the 7 games. I wonder if that is good for the psyche’s. I have heard that many players need a consistent understanding of what their role will be when they come to the ballpark everyday.

  20. It appears nothing was learned from last night. Strikeouts all around.

  21. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 1st: Presley strikes out swinging. Walker strikes out swinging. Cutch pops up to second. Side retired.

  22. RobertoForever says:

    “Glass half Full” Stat of the Day.

    Each start by Pirates SP have had more strikeouts than walks.

    Lets Go JMac – strike out the side!

  23. Milo Hamilton says:


    Your second paragraph totally contradicts your third paragraph. Which is it ?

  24. RobertoForever says:

    “Of course no one on this team can hit…..”

    Presley .304
    McCutchen .391
    McGehee .385

    Yeah, I see what you did there

  25. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 1st: Pagan pops out to shortstop. Cabrera lines a single to right. Sandoval flies to left. Posey doubles off the center field wall. Cabrera beats the throw home. Huff singles to right. Posey scores. Huff caught in rundown for third out.

    After 1 inning,
    SF 2, PIT 0

  26. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Realistic Stat of the Day:

    The Pirates went 19-43 (.306) in their last 62 games last year.
    They are 2-4 (.333) this season.

    Plenty of room for optimism there.

  27. At least the 3 K’s are all swinging ones today and not looking.

    DK: There’s the spirit.

  28. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 2nd: McGehee robbed of extra bases by center fielder Pagan, who caught the ball running away. Jones strikes out swinging. Barajas out on a check swing roller to second base. three down.

  29. JRay3 says:

    I really want to be positive but coming off of a series with 27 strikeouts and 0 walks and to followup with two innings of 3 more K’s and down 2-0, it is really hard.

    And when you come off of a season hitting .191 with a .289 Slugging % and than start the next year at .071 with 7 strikeouts in 13 AB’s believe me it affects the mental state, but here’s hoping Pedro fights through it. This is not about “Six” games with him.

  30. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 2nd: Schierholz lines a 3-1 pitch for a single to left field. Schierholz caught stealing, 2-6. Crawford flies out to left field. Burriss flies out to left.

    After 2:
    PIT 0-0-0
    SF 2-4-0

  31. JRay3 says:

    Nicely done Rod Barajas, great throw!

  32. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 3rd: Pedro strikes out swinging. JHay grounds out to short. McDonald flies long to right. Bucs go down in third.

  33. AJS says:

    “Of course no one on this team can hit…..”

    Presley .304
    McCutchen .391
    McGehee .385

    Yeah, I see what you did there

    Walker .053
    Jones .167
    Barajas .067
    Alvarez .077
    Tabata .190
    barmes .105
    Hague .125
    mcLouth .167
    Navarro .000
    Harrison .250

    OK, so ALMOST nobody on this team can hit. And certainly no one involved in the players i was discussing in my original post.

  34. Let’s end this now – Matt Cain has a Perfect Game through three innings!!!

  35. JRay3 says:

    Please send Alvarez down when Morton is recalled, please.

  36. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    DK — I’ve gotta ask, with Pay-dro currently on pace to K at least 200 times this year, what is the point of trotting him out there 4-5 times a week at this point? I know one week does not a season make, but at what point is it time to send him down (heck send him down to AA) to re-learn how to hit??

  37. LuckyNKentucky says:

    This is embarassing and there is nobody here to be embarassed in front of. Can this offense get any worse?

  38. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 3rd: Cain lines out to third. Pagan flies out to center. Cabrera walks. Sandoval flies to right.

    After three:
    SF 2, PIT 0

  39. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 4th: Presley grounds out to third. Walker grounds to first, unassisted. Cutch thrown out by shortstop on a slow roller up the middle. Three outs.

    Cain still perfect thru 4

  40. Milo Hamilton says:

    Bad news: No local TV in Pittsburgh today.
    Good news: We’ll get to see the 9th inning on ESPN !

    DK: We don’t pay you enough, Milo.

  41. JRay3 says:

    New stat of the day….runs scored in the NL Central:

    Cardinals 37, Cubs 31, Brewers 30, Astros 28, Reds 21……….wait for it Pirates 11.

  42. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 4th: Posey walks, Huff lines out to center. Schierholz flies out to left. Crawford flies out to Presley in left-center.

    Thru 4:
    PIT 0-0-0
    SF 2-4-0

  43. JRay3 says:

    Well JMac has settled down nicely…meat of the order, dare we get a hit and start a rally?

  44. Milo Hamilton says:

    The last time…

    Bob Gibson on August 14, 1971. A hall of famer no hit the eventual World Champions. Struck out Stargell to end it. Listened in my grandmother’s kitchen.

  45. Nothing cures a bad outing like a visit form our Buccos. Somebody get a hit at least and preferably some runs too.

  46. JRay3 says:

    I can hear the conversation in the Giants dugout now…Tim Lincecum to Bruce Bochy “Skip I swear I can pitch on three days rest”

  47. JohninOshkosh says:

    Its early but for the record last Giants no no was Jonathan Sanchez (07/10/09); Only Giant no hitter at AT& T; But, optimistically, no perfect game in franchise history.

  48. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 5th: Mighty Casey has struck out. Legend whiffs swinging. Barajas grounds to short.

    Cain still perfect thru 5.

  49. 15 up and 15 down with 6 swinging K’s to boot. This is sorry beyond all sorry levels.

  50. JohninOshkosh says:

    Krukow and Kuiper have been very kind to the Pirates today…. almost with a twinge of pity.

  51. Just looked but JMac has 8 flyouts to NO groundouts. Not good if they start hitting it further in the air. And after I just wrote this the first groundout for a Giant.

  52. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Ditto Steve J.

  53. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 5th: Burriss grounds out to McGehee at first. Cain takes strike three. Pagan lines a sharp grounder, second to first. 5 down.

    PIT 0-0-0

  54. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just another inning way from yet another Pirate pitcher with so called, “quality start.”

  55. JRay3 says:

    Just not pitch recognition by #24…three swings of balls in the dirt…it is beyond awful at this point..0-2 2 K’s now 9 in 15 AB’s.

  56. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Pay-dro is the new Bixler.

  57. LuckyNKentucky says:

    We can’t seem to figure out how to pitch in the first inning, but the rest of the game is top-notch. Write-in Ray Searage for President.

  58. LikeaBugonaRug says:

    Do the Bucs at least have as many hits on the season as the Cards have runs?

  59. JRay3 says:

    Charlie Manuel was upset to waste Cliff Lee’s pitching performance in our 2-1 win in the opening series, I wonder how he would feel leading this club where every pitching performance is being wasted.

  60. Takes a pitcher to break up a no-no perfect game. Nice JMac.

  61. JRay3 says:

    JMAC!!! No surprise the pitchers have to do it all with this squad!

  62. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Thank God for J-Mac. No perfect game or no-hitter.

  63. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now the next step would be for one of our “hitters” to get a hit.

  64. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 6th: Alvarezzzzzzzzzz swings and … ummm… you know. Harrison flies to center. McDonald batting. McDonald *singles* to left. First Pirate hit after 17 consecutive outs. Presley strikes out swinging on inside pitch.

  65. JRay3 says:

    Can JMac play a position tomorrow and stay in the lineup?

  66. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    (Expect McDonald to hit cleanup in his next start!)

  67. LikeaBugonaRug says:

    And the answer is……….. Counting JMac’s hit, the Bucs now have 39 hits on the season.

  68. JohninOshkosh says:

    JMac & Correia with 2 of the Pirate hits this year

  69. Milo Hamilton says:

    J Mac should collect everyone else’s per diem on his way out the door.

  70. Milo Hamilton says:

    With all the talk about who’s getting cut to make room for Charlie Morton. It reminds me of one Chuck Noll’s great quotes, “Cutting won’t be difficult. Stopping will be.”

  71. JAL says:

    Watching the game and saw a stat I think is impossible–Giant player is 3 for 10 with .273 OBP–don’t think you can have alower OBP than your BA

  72. JohninOshkosh says:

    Cutch has broke wrong a few times this year. Dang it

  73. JRay3 says:

    #$@!$!@….that should have been caught. Nice job JMac, great effort you do need another 8 guys around you.

  74. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Great quote, Milo. Very fitting.

  75. Milo Hamilton says:

    Our leftfielder of the future misplays another fly ball.

  76. JohninOshkosh says:

    Milo, just read #44. That might have been one of the greatest teams ever no hit.

  77. Game was over at 2-0 with Cain mowing everyone down. With it now 3-0 it is even more in doubt.

  78. JRay3 says:

    New Stat of the day: Runs scored today, Red Sox12, Cubs 8 in the 4th inning, Indians 7 in the 7th inning. Pirates 2012 Runs Scored -11 in 61 innings…that tells a story.

  79. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 6th: Cabrera grounds out to second. Sandoval doubles off right field wall. #44Watson warming up in bullpen. Posey high pop to right. Huff intentionally walked. Runners on first and second. Schierholz pops a single to center as Cutch started back but couldn’t recover and ball falls in front of him. Sandoval scores. Huff to third. Schierholz to second on Cutch throw to third. JMac removed for Watson. Crawford grounds to first. Three outs.

    After 6:
    PIT 0-1-0
    SF 3-6-0

    McDonald 3.2 IP: ER 3, H6, K1, BB 3 3.86 ERA

  80. JohninOshkosh says:

    Take away the 5 run game on Sunday; PBC with 6 runs in 51 innings.

  81. twentytwo22 says:

    i want a post-game tirade of Leylandical proportions.

    mostly unrelated, mostly. the pirates have 7 walks this year. 3 by the usual starting eight.

  82. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 7th: Walker strikes out, now hitting .048. Cutch grounds out to shortstop. McGehee flies to center. Side retired.

  83. JohninOshkosh says:

    Well, no real danger of this one going long enough to still be on at the beginning of Pens game.

  84. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    Bucs REALLY should consider hiring a hitting coach. I’m certain they don’t have one right now….

  85. JRay3 says:

    Is it any wonder why Edwin Jackson turned down a chance at more money to play with the PBC? I’m not sure a starting staff of Nolan Ryan, Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson could win with this bunch.

  86. RobertoForever says:

    New “glass half full” stat of the day

    In division competitor Reds – $225 million spent on 4 new long term contracts
    Result – Pirates within 0.5 games of the Reds.

  87. JRay3 says:

    Well unfortunately with the pitching change that removed our best hitter in the lineup.

  88. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 7th: Burriss grounds out second to first. Cain grounds out short to first. Pagan flies to left.

    Seven down, SF 3, PIT 0

  89. JohninOshkosh says:

    Alvarez coming up next half. Time to go make a sandwich. Nothing to see here, move along.

  90. JRay3 says:

    And with Cubs up 8-0 we will be a half game behind them for last place…awesome!

  91. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    Bucs have less hits than Paul Martin…

  92. RobertoForever says:

    “OK, so ALMOST nobody on this team can hit. And certainly no one involved in the players i was discussing in my original post.”

    You forgot these:

    Correia: .500
    McDonald .250
    McKenry .333

    AJS, I’ll bet if you took your skills of biased reporting of facts to politics, that Al Gore would give you an hour in primetime on Current TV

  93. Milo Hamilton says:

    Buster Posey was drafted 3 slots after Pedro Alvarez.

  94. 90 mph pitch right down the middle and they can’t even hit that. This team doesn’t hit any slow pitching period.

  95. JohninOshkosh says:

    LOL Dave

    Nice job today

  96. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 8th: Jones strikes out swinging yet again (3rd of game), Barajas grounds out third to first. Pedr-O watches strike three (3rd of game),

    Cain has 11 Ks

  97. When you can’t hit your not going to get those last two pitches that were so-called strikes called actual balls on you. You need to hit.

  98. JRay3 says:

    New Stat of the day that is now 38 strikeouts for Pirate hitters in the last 35 innings of play..and that is the hat trick for #24 making it 10K’s in 16 AB’s he is a head case.

  99. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wow, Pedro, just wow

    When is the next flight to Indy out of SF?

  100. JRay3 says:

    When two of our Starting Pitchers have better Batting Averages than nine of our position players that is frightening.

  101. RobertoForever says:

    By my count, its 10 “fans” here rooting for failure for the Bucs. Nice. Good thing the Pirate fans that root for the team are the paying and attending kind of fans.

  102. RobertoForever says:

    “mostly unrelated, mostly. the pirates have 7 walks this year. 3 by the usual starting eight.”

    There is a “usual 8″?

  103. JRay3 says:

    And I am wrong for wishing to Free Marte, Fryer, Mercer or anybody that would like to hit the ball? And down 3 our closer comes in just to get some work…it can’t possibly get any worse can it?

  104. JRay3 says:

    @ Roberto – I have paid for tickets right above the Pirates dugout to Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday’s games here in Phoenix at Chase field…Section D Row 10 seats 1-2….I will be both rooting and paying in my support. Just like to know my hard earned money goes towards a decent product and that is very debatable, I’m just tired of sugar coating it.

  105. Milo Hamilton says:


    I said this in spring training & I’ll repeat it again. Pedro should be sent down & told “if you tear it up down there, we’ll see you September 1st.”

  106. twentytwo22 says:

    i think greg brown just said ‘animal s*’ ..starts over.. ‘shelter’. i think he was referring not to animals but to the pirates offense. i am thankful for that comic relief.

  107. Milo Hamilton says:


    I, for one, don’t root for their failure. I make fun of it. It’s a defense mechanism.

  108. LikeaBugonaRug says:

    This just in. Cards pick up 5 runs. Cards – 42 runs Bucs – 39 hits.

  109. Michael says:

    This team is a real candidate to break several offensive records of ineptitude for the season. In watching Pedro yesterday and today, it is really alarming to see such a struggle. His first at bat yesterday was the single worst at bat I have seen by any player in many years. He never took the bat off his shoulders and had no idea of what he wanted to do. Very sad to watch this happening.

  110. Tell me again why we signed Barajas? He is too slow, can’t throw, can’t block or catch, can’t throw anyone out. Way to go Joel. fitting end to a fitting day. 2-run dinger for Huff.

  111. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    SF 8th: Meek is out (he pitched the 7th), Hammer now in for Bucs. Cabrera singles past a diving Pedro into left. (The ball obviously won’t make contact with his glove either.) Sandoval flies out to left. Cabrera steals second easily. Posey strikes out looking. Huff batting. WP by Hanrahan and Cabrera goes to third. Huff belts one over the right field wall, ofne bounce, and into the bay for a home run. 5-0 Giants, two outs. Schierholtz flies out to center.

    AFTER 8:

    PIT 0-1-0
    SF 5-8-0

  112. LikeaBugonaRug says:

    Should Joel bat this inning so we can hopefully get our 2nd hit?

  113. JohninOshkosh says:


    I have followed and loved the Pirates since 1972. Believe me following a team in a small midwestern town hundreds of miles away from Pittsburgh was not easy at all in the pre-internet days. I go to 75% of the games they play in Milwaukee, a place they never win at, ever.

    I know the season is long and its a marathon not a race. But i can not “sugar coat” anything either. The start of this season, pitching notably excepted, has been brutal.

  114. JRay3 says:

    They have to send Pedro down after the game today, management has to show this team there is no scholarship. Hurdle needs to play is best eight and go with it, this in, out, in, out is just not working. Unreal that our pitcher saves us from a perfect game.

  115. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Steve J. Smith

    I think they signed Barajas because they drafted neither Matt Weiters nor Buster Posey. But hey, they were aggressive in free agency snapping up Barajas & Barmes before anyone else could.

  116. RobertoForever says:

    Interesting “things that make you go, hmmmm….” stat of the day

    The Giants starting lineup today makes $41 million. James McDonald as a pitcher has 38 total decisions in his career.

    The Giants in their sold-out home opener have managed 8 hits. That’s $30,000 per hit.

  117. twentytwo22 says:

    cue the classic harry doyle post-game wrap-up from major league..

    WARNING foul language

    ps the indians weren’t shutout

  118. Milo Hamilton says:


    Beautiful. Yeah, that’s all we got.

  119. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    PIT 9th: Cain still pitching. Harrison flies to right center. Matt Hague PH for Hanrahan. Hague grounds out third to first. Presley grounds out short to first.

    Bucs 0-1-0 with 1 LOB… 11Ks… 0 BB
    SF 5-8-0 with 4 LOB

    WP Cain (complete game)
    LP McDonald

  120. RobertoForever says:

    “But i can not “sugar coat” anything either. The start of this season, pitching notably excepted, has been brutal.”

    Who is asking anyone to sugarcoat. The lineup shifts every day. Only 3 starters are hitting. One of our assumed stars is struggling worse than Pedro.

    Maybe y’all are saying your positive comments to the tv/radio/pc and saving the negative ones to type with your fingers.


    My prediction on the Morton move: Hague will get sent down. It may cause a tirade of Leylandian proportions……… the blogosphere. It will not affect the way the coaches / management make their decisions.

    Also, Pedro was almost unanimously booed and ridiculed in the blogosphere from the first pitch he saw. Funny, at the home games, I never heard ONE boo. Funny how that is.

  121. JRay3 says:

    @ Dave – great work…that’s about all I have I’m at a loss…hope to turn it around versus Zito tomorrow, and hope the club has a shakeup of some sorts. Will be good to see Morton back with the club.

  122. JohninOshkosh says:

    @22: Made my weekend

    @Milo I nominate you for GM because Pedro belongs in Indianapolis. At the very least he won’t be scrutinized every at bat by the likes of me!

  123. Karen22 says:

    Just WOW. They’ve lost me less than ten games into the season. Just WOW.

  124. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    Final Comment:

    IT’S DARYLE’S FAULT !!!!!!!!! LOL

    Switching over to hockey side after a short break…

  125. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    At least in the hockey game we’ll actually see some hits.

    Except for Paul Martin…

  126. RobertoForever says:

    Dave – thanks for the play by play.Seriously – thanks for the hard work. It is appreciated. Many day’s I appreciate stopping in here and catching up.

  127. JohninOshkosh says:


    I’ll leave you with this: Seriously love and wholeheartedly agree with your chosen moniker.

  128. RobertoForever says:

    @John, Thanks!

    Here’s hoping we can find another that even comes close to rivaling him. Not sure if we have him in the system today, but I root for most of them like I hope they will.

    I love going to Low-A and short season games and speculate on both team’s players on who might make it and who they would be like in the majors. Love it when I actually see those players see their dreams come true and make it to the bigs, even for a short while.

  129. Dave G in Liberty Township, OH says:

    My pleasure, guys. I enjoy doing it when I can. See you tomorrow afternoon!

  130. PigLegs Robinson says:

    If they keep this up much longer, Neal Huntington’s job is definitely in jeopardy, I would have to think.
    I am at least hopeful now that they will finally stop running Brant Brown, I mean Jermaine Allensworth, I mean Jacob Brumfield, I mean Jose Tabata out there to stink it up daily.
    Either give the job to McLouth or bring up Marte.
    Then take a good long look at their non-hitting second baseman and maybe see if they can’t coax Johnny Ray or Phil Garner out of retirement.

  131. pghboyinca says:

    Get used to this, it is not an abberation. Thid is what this ownership/front office is going to feed you. And Cutch they inherited. No help coming either, got to love the front ofifce supporters. Let’s ee we wee told 3 years, then 5 years, now what is it a decade? Whne does the tide turn? Without an ownership change……….NEVER!!!

  132. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m just glad DARYLE was sitting in the front row, and not the upper deck. :-)

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