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Final: Nationals 4, Pirates 2


Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (14-16) vs. Washington Nationals (18-12)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score. Rob Biertempfel could crush Stephen Strasburg’s fastball.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, RF
  2. Alex Presley, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Garrett Jones, 1B
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Michael McKenry, C
  9. Kevin Correia, RHP


  1. AJS says:

    Presley back in the line up tonight with McGehee hittign the pine.

    i have a question. Navarro was originally an infielder. How bad does his defense have to be at SS to not play there every day ahead of Barmes? Instead he’s been relegated to outfield duty when in the line up.

  2. Nate83 says:

    Even more surprising is he didn’t even start at short yesterday instead of Harrison.

  3. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I, for one, am glad Navarro was in left last night and not Harrison. God knows, we have a lot of outfielders, though.

  4. JohninOshkosh says:

    If I lived within 2 hours of Pittsburgh and had the time and money, no way would I not go to this game. Special talent on display. Rarefied talent.

  5. JohninOshkosh says:

    Only game on tap in the senior circuit. Big stage for our Bucs. Hope they brought their brooms.

  6. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Brooms would be nice..

    But I don’t trust Corriea on the mound

  7. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I take it you’re not referring to Clint Barmes.

  8. JohninOshkosh says:


    I set ‘em up, you knock ‘em down!

  9. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Amen to that. So you’re glad this isn’t the one-game play-in for the Wild Card? DK says his curve is even better than his heater. Maybe he’ll leave some pitches up like Rodriguez and Stammen did in the last 2 games. Hope Correia doesn’t.

  10. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    DK’s right guys……his curveball is ridiculous.

    To be honest, I thought Brad Lincoln’s was last night as well, atleast for the brief part that I saw him. Strasburg’s is 10x better.

  11. Dejan,

    Sorry for inferring more into “Does the team feel the pressure to make all the amateur signings it has since then, no matter the cost?” than you were meaning to say.

    As Tony Watson, Tim Alderson, and Andrew Lambo are proving, AA is a million miles from the Major Leagues.

    To me, the minors are bereft until they begin to produce players. Pirates are approaching their 5th draft with the present regime——Cardinals, drafting much lower, have produced much more during that time.

    I’m tired of hearing the excuse that the money is being spent on minors instead of veterans for the Major League team. Thanks for clarifying that you were not saying that.

  12. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Ya know, its now May and I haven’t heard anything about the upcoming draft. Usually, there are names thrown out there as to who the top prospect is etc. I haven’t heard anything like that.

    Has anybody heard of the players the Pirates have been looking at? Which power arm will they go after? Ha Ha

  13. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    This is a darn shame and I agree with Reggie Jackson’s quote at the end. I teach this move to my 13 year old pitchers. It may work 1 time during a game….

  14. JohninOshkosh says:


    I was thinking the same thing about the draft. If there is a highly regarded SS between Bangor and Bakersfield….well then.

  15. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I agree. Its not like the NFL though. Hard to draft for need. I was hoping they would’ve drafted a SS 2 years ago by the name of Manny Machado…or something like that.

  16. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    The window is officially OPEN!!

    Tonight’s OVER / UNDER (always just for fun of course)

    Total Pirates Base Runners
    Line is 4.5

    Anyone can play!! What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!

    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) +20
    Officer Mancuso +20
    JohninOshkosh +10
    RobertoForever EVEN
    Milo Hamilton -20
    Steve J Smith -40
    JRay3 -40

  17. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


  18. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Did I lose yesterday??

  19. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @Ryan, yes you put 20 on the OVER

  20. Milo Hamilton says:


    I should be at -40.

  21. Nate,

    I’ve been in meetings and have to leave for another soon, so do not have time to respond to you appropriately. But I wanted you to know I was not ignoring your comment.

    Jason Bay had excellent value when he was traded. He hit 31 HRs with 101 ribbies in his combined trade year. He followed up the next year with the Pansy Sox with 36 HRs, 119 RBIs, while winning a Silver Slugger, making the All Star team, and finishing 7th in MVP. After that season Mets thought him good enough to give him 4 yrs/ $69 mill guaranteed, with a $17 mill 5th yr option. At 29 years old, we gave him away.

    Freddie Sanchez played a significant part in helping the Giants win a World Series, batting 3rd a good portion of time. We gave him away.

    Even Jack Wilson would have been more consistent in the field at short than Sybil Cedeno.

    Adam Laroche and Ryan Doumit are producing this season in positions at which Pirates are found wanting——desperately! What did we get for them? What did we get for Paul Maholm?

    I not saying Pirates cannot trade players. As much as I would hate to see Hanrahan go, if Pirates were to get a bonafide, helpful player to improve the team TODAY I would tell him goodbye.

    “The reality is” the Pirates cannot afford to eat contracts like the Yanks did with AJ Burnett, the Bosox with Crawford, and the Giants with lefty whats-his name from the A’s. That also means Bucs CANNOT squander what talent they have!

    The future is apparently not at AAA or AA, and we have no chips left to trade.

    I’m scared! If you can ease my fear, please do so.

  22. RobertoForever says:


    I’ll take 20 on the over.


  23. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    BTW, mine’s for the over

  24. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Roberto, you got it. Good Luck!!

  25. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Ryan you want 20 on the OVER?

  26. Milo Hamilton says:

    Joel Hanrahan has officially been placed on the bereavement list and has been replaced by Daniel McCutchen. He’s going back to Iowa for his grandmother’s funeral. He should return on Sunday.

  27. Nate83 says:


    I agree with Bay and have said before I think this was the worse trade made by Huntington. Not sure what you are getting at with the Mets signing. I’m sure mets fan would rather have their ticket prices be few dollors cheaper and never had even heard of Jason Bay.

    I know maybe you didn’t see the Sanchez trade this way but many at the time thought it was a great trade and were happy they finally made a trade for one legitimate prospect instead of a group of mid-level prospects. Alderson was considered a really good prospect at the time. If Huntingons scouts missed on him at the time a lot of scouts missed as well. I beleive he is still pretty young and has rediscovered some of his pitching this year.

    Jack Wilson, was not going to contribute much more and wasn’t going to get much in return so I don’t see your point there.

    LaRoche and Doumit are two of the most frustrating players I have ever watched. So what if LaRoche hit 25 home runs if 20 of them where solo shots and most where with the game out of hand and he batted .200 with runners in scoring position. If Doumit is so good why did he sign about the same contract as Bajaras. There are 29 other teams and none of them wanted to offer him a starting job. What do you thing Huntington could have gotten for a bad defensive catcher that plays 70-80 games a year and bats .260 with power numbers going down?

  28. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    DMac no big surprise.

  29. Nate83 says:

    Playoffs by 2012

    I will take 20 on the over, and I missed 20 on the over last night. Thanks.

  30. JohninOshkosh says:


    Just getting a chance to look at the morning thread. Loved your Nicklaus comment. No, I don’t think he is losing any sleep about his majors record. I love the Players. For tournaments played annually at the same venue-it is my favorite. Way more than the Masters, really. The 17 at Sawgrass is one of the most spectacular scenes in sports.

    Bo Bucs.

  31. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Nate, you got it, good luck!!

  32. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Officer Mancuso +20
    JohninOshkosh +20
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) EVEN
    RobertoForever EVEN
    Nate83 -20
    Milo Hamilton -40
    JRay3 -40
    Steve J Smith -80

  33. RobertoForever says:

    Groat, your conclusions on Doumit, Sanchez, Bay, Wilson and LaRoche are not shared by some, and more importantly by most GM’s.

    Freddy forced his way out, as did Wilson. They were offered fair market value, but demanded twice that from the Pirates, yet in the end accepted a fraction of that.

    Also, you are overstating Bay’s value. His value was situational in Fenway, with green monster. He has produced pitifully since leaving. Bay was not even OFFERED anything from the Sox

    and I haven’t looked it up but I believe Sanchez spent at least 50% of his first 18 mths with SF hurt.

  34. NMR says:


    You’re absolutely right on the Bay and Sanchez trades, but lets revisit history on Laroche and Wilson.

    Go back and google the Laroche trade. At the time the trade was made, he was playing absolutely dreadful. His stock could not have been lower. That was the tail end of the steroid era where 20 hr/70 rbi from 1st base wasn’t something to be coveted.

    Jack was a no-hit, slick fielding fan favorite. I loved him, but that was also coming off times when it wasn’t uncommon for a shortstop to hit 30 hr. He was on the downside of his career and already started showing injuries. What do you think Brendan Ryan would fetch in a trade this year?

    As for the hope you’re so looking for, remember what wins games: pitching

    The Pirates have it now and should have it until Cole/Tailon arrive, which could be as early as next summer for Cole.

    They have a couple decent players that aren’t going anywhere in McC, Walker, Pedro, and to a lesser extent Tabata, Presley, and Jones.

    It’ll only happen if all the peices fall together just right, but as a Pirates fan you have to know thats the case.

  35. RobertoForever says:

    I do agree that the return for Bay did not pan out.

    That does not mean it was not equivalent value at the time.

  36. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Didn’t the Sox offer to negotiate with Bay? I faintly remember a comment Epstein made about him staying in Boston and why wouldn’t he. I could be wrong. Maybe JAL remembers.

  37. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Bay was offered a contract by the Sox. He turned it down. Don’t remember the figures, but he was offered.

  38. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    The one disagreement I have with your analysis is that the Pirates aren’t in desperate need of a 1B. Garrett Jones is holding his own. He’s not putting up as big of numbers as you’d like from a 1B, but its not like he’s hitting Barajas style.

  39. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Every time I think about the bad trades that have happened in the past, I always tell myself, “no use crying over spilled milk.” At some point we as fans need to let the past be the past. We can’t change it.

  40. RobertoForever says:

    Ryan, he was offered a 1 year deal.

    That is my recollection. The Sox did that to get a comp pick.

  41. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Check the link Roberto

    He was offered multiple 4 year deals, but wanted a 5th.

  42. RobertoForever says:

    Ryan, sorry, the 1 yr deal was the formal offer. The sox had no intention of keeping Bay at what he was asking. They were playing the ‘we tried’ card for their fans

  43. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Sounds familiar. They offered him multiple contracts.

    IMO, and I said this when he signed with the Mets, that he made a big mistake. The Mets field was not set up well for a hitter and that he did so well in Boston, he should’ve taken that money and ran…oh well. Another reason the Mets suck.

  44. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Though I’d swap records with them right now…

  45. RobertoForever says:


    I took the time to look up Sanchez and the Giants. You may want to do the same.

    Sanchez never batted third for the Giants when they won.

    He also missed 50 games that year.

    Sanchez was the fourth-WORST hitter among starters. He walked the fewest times among batters with 400 PA that year. He GIDP third most on the team.

    Your memory is clouded. Might i suggest checking before you spout you bad stats.

  46. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    But they didn’t really mean it

  47. Milo Hamilton says:



  48. Milo Hamilton says:

    No wonder the Giants won the World Series in 2010. When their “fourth – WORST hitter” hits .292 with lunchmeat for the rest of the lineup. Fact is, he had the 2nd highest batting average on the team. Oops, there I go again. Twisting the stats to suit my own purposes.

  49. Milo Hamilton says:

    For Freddy, that should read – lunchmeat for a shoulder.

  50. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Did you want 20 on the OVER for tonight?

  51. NMR says:

    Easy over there, Roberto…

    Regarding the trades, it doesn’t matter what any of the players did after them. All that matters is their value at the time the trade happened.

    Laroche and Wilson were low, Bay and Sanchez were high.

    None of them brought any return. Period.

  52. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    As someone that was around the Giants during that 2010 season. They won by pitching. Surprise.

    Aubrey Huff and Pablo Sandavol lead the way offensively.

  53. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    “Regarding the trades, it doesn’t matter what any of the players did after them. All that matters is their value at the time the trade happened.”


  54. @Playoffs, I’ll go on the lower side tonight. Put me down for 20 on the over. I almost thought you were giving us a mulligan from last night due to the injury. Thanks.

  55. Wander if Hines is throwing out the first pitch tonight. The PG had a photo of him hitting during BP tonight. Maybe the Bucs will use him to go block Strausburg before he throws a pitch.

  56. JAL says:

    As for Class AA being miles from MLB, once upon a time but, according to story in USA Today Sports Weekly, no longer. Article titled Class AA is the New Launching pad to Big Leagues

  57. Milo Hamilton says:


    I’ll take 40 on the over. Thank You.

    How about that, I thank him for continually taking my hard earned units !

  58. Milo Hamilton says:


    Hines Ward is indeed throwing out the 1st pitch tonight. That’s a nice touch by Bob Nutting. Ward said he contacted him personally.

  59. JohninOshkosh says:


    20 on the under, please

  60. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wisely did not do a line on Pirate K’s eh Playoffs. :-)

  61. @Milo, thanks for the news. Pretty cool. Hope it was a strike.

  62. JAL says:

    Not sure if this posted earlier but D McCutchen being brought up to take Hannys place for 3 games he will away.

  63. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jon Hamm, aka Don Draper, has been cast in the movie “The Million Dollar Arm”. It’s about the 2 Indian pitchers signed by the Pirates.

  64. Milo Hamilton says:

    Rinku Singh, the 23 year old lefthander, has a 2.66 ERA in 11 games with the Class A West Virginia Power this season.

    Pedro is 0 for his last 15.

  65. This is shaping up like two years ago. We did end up getting a couple runs off of Strausburg, due to a two run homerun or so, but still lost the game. I was there for it, so I know how futile it was. 4 Ks in a row now.

  66. JohninOshkosh says:

    Very nice that the CBA includes limited leave for bereavement and possible concussion. Is there a provision for paternity leave?

  67. JohninOshkosh says:


    Well, I’ll have no problem getting my wife to go with me to see that baseball movie.

  68. Milo Hamilton says:

    As Steve Blass so eloquently put it, “Put the bat down & go to 1st Base.” Kevin had better not dig in.

  69. Looking back at our bottom of the first. I know we didn’t have much going, but that is at least the third time this season that we had some baserunners and a chance to make some noise, and once someone grounded into a DP, that seemed to kill the offense for several of the the next following innings. Doesn’t help tonight that the guy opposing is constantly at 96+.

  70. pattonbb says:

    whoa…what’s up with the hbp? Stuck following the game on mlb gameday. Was it an offspeed up and in?

  71. If I was Correia, I would wear McKenry’s equipment to the plate this inning. 96+ is going to hurt if Strausburg takes some retaliation.

  72. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jon Hamm is a big Cardinals fan. I won’t hold it against him, though. Great actor.

  73. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s 7 consecutive strikeouts.

    The record is 10 by Tom Seaver in 1970.

  74. pattonbb says:

    This is going to be a rough one….

  75. Thanks Milo, I was wandering that myself. I’m also glad Playoffs didn’t go for the over/under of Ks for Strausburg tonight. I would have went with under, but at this rate, he is bond to break his own record. He is half way there through only three innings.

  76. Milo Hamilton says:

    April 22,1970 Seaver struck out the last 10 San Diego Padres in a 2-1 Mets win. He struck out 19 in the game which was then the record, also held by Steve Carlton.

  77. Officer Mancuso says:

    ” Pitches-strikes: Strasburg 36-25, Correia 36-25.”
    From live box score after 3. Strasburg having struck out 7. Yikes.

  78. @Officer, that is crazy. Kevin is doing a pretty good job. Hope it keeps up. Now to get the offense going. Tabata had the first hit, so he can do it.

  79. They all need to talk to Jose. He clearly knows what to do. Nice 2 for 2 on the night.

  80. Milo Hamilton says:

    Presley was not out there. Nice bunt though.

  81. Cutch is hot, baby!!! 1-0 good guys!

  82. Milo Hamilton says:

    I love Andrew McCutchen. But what is he thinking sometimes ? Got to be on 3rd there.

  83. No luck there with that ball being foul.

  84. Way to put it back up the middle on the next one for a 2-0 lead. Come on Jonesy!

  85. Milo Hamilton says:

    Atta boy Neil. Nice piece of hitting.

  86. JAL says:

    Nice inning–2 runs, too bad Neil got picked off

  87. Milo Hamilton says:

    Pay the man, Shirley.

  88. Why do they insist on doing these shifts with men on base. They are just asking for a first to third situation every time. The shift hasn’t worked that much from what I’ve seen.

  89. They left Correia in too long. Started to get wild and now gives up the lead. Another walk scores as well.

  90. Officer Mancuso says:

    It’s before the All Star break. Adam LaRoche is an easy out. He said with fingers crossed.

  91. Dave G says:

    Just tuned in— it’s 2-1 Pirates— and LaRoche hits a home run on the first pitch I see… and bam, it’s 3-2 Nats.

  92. pattonbb says:

    Steve- Correia’s only thrown 65 pitches as I type this. If he can’t handle that he shouldn’t be starting.

  93. True pattonbb. I didn’t know what his count was. All I was looking at was the 3-1 count for the first homer and the walk to the next guy, then I think a 1-0 count on Adam.

  94. Come on Jonsey. We need a big knock here buddy!

  95. Dave G says:

    Strasburg walks three batters in a row. Blass disease setting in?

  96. Officer Mancuso says:

    “Steve- Correia’s only thrown 65 pitches as I type this. If he can’t handle that he shouldn’t be starting.” The authentic voice of George S. Patton Jr!

  97. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s it. Swing at the 1st pitch after 3 straight walks. Brilliant.

  98. So how many of those pitches that Jones swung at were balls out of the zone? Not good to swing at the first one after three walks. Dude was struggling and he was likely trying to hit an 8 run grand slam. Silly I know, but some of these guys do that. They try to kill it instead of making good contact. All you needed was a looping base hit to at least tie it up.

  99. At least 14 Bucs didn’t strikeout against him tonight. Hopefully they can get to the gnats bullpen.

  100. Nate83 says:

    Would have been nice to get something there but at least we got pitch count up to 103.

  101. Outside of two bad pitches (especially the second one right down the middle to Adam), Correia is pitching a good game. We need to get some more runs to get him the win. He deserves it.

  102. Milo Hamilton says:

    Clint Barmes has walked 1 time this year. Once. That ties him with AJ Burnett.

  103. Officer Mancuso says:

    “Deserves” is a mass hallucination which only afflicts humans. Tell Charles Darwin why you feel life is unfair.

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    What is he getting out of the way for ?

    DK: Wondering the same.

  105. That’s game. @#@%#

  106. Dave G says:

    Another dinger for the Nats. Ankiel homers off of Resop. 4-2 Nats top ninth.

  107. twentytwo22 says:

    @ Officer Mancuso
    Enjoy the 1,000 year dirt nap you will richly deserve.

  108. Milo Hamilton says:

    Senor Wild Pitch – now pitching for Washington.

  109. twentytwo22 says:

    No idea why they gave Ankiel something down and in that he could pull over the short porch. Resop’s ball missed arm side to the first batter. I thought homerun as soon as I saw McKenry set up.

  110. Milo Hamilton says:

    You know, maybe for Neal’s next rebuilding plan he can try drafting guys with high baseball IQ’s. So many dumb things tonight. Not the least of which is Garrett Jones swinging at the 1st pitch, that was about to hit him on the foot, after 3 consecutive walks. Or Alex Presley desperately trying to get out of the way of an inside pitch in the 8th inning with the Pirates down a run & needing baserunners. I know they all can’t be Derek Jeter, but geez.

  111. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Well the OVER wins tonight on a real tough loss. I hate games like this. Thank you to everyone who played. See you tomorrow night.

    Officer Mancuso +20
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) +20
    RobertoForever +20
    JohninOshkosh EVEN
    Nate83 EVEN
    Milo Hamilton EVEN
    JRay3 -40
    Steve J Smith -60

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