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Final: Tigers 6, Pirates 0


Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (18-20) vs. Detroit Tigers (23-14)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: Comerica Park, Detroit

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score. Karen Price offered to be DH and was denied.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Detroit RHP Justin Verlander

  1. Josh Harrison, DH
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Garrett Jones, RF
  6. Casey McGehee, 1B
  7. Nate McLouth, LF
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Michael McKenry, C

RHP Charlie Morton is starting for the Pirates.


  1. JAL says:

    No Tabata and no Hernandez–If pirates get lead I can see Hernandez for Jones late in the game.

  2. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Bucs vs. Verlander tonight. Ya never know……

    Tonight’s OVER / UNDER (always just for fun of course)

    Total Pirates Baserunners
    Line is 5.5

    Anyone can play!! What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!

    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) +140
    RobertoForever +90
    Nate83 +80
    JaxBuc +70
    Bizrow +40
    Steve J Smith +30
    Milo Hamilton +25
    Officer Mancuso +20
    jeffsbar +20
    cosmo +20
    pattonbb -20
    JRay3 -20
    JohninOshkosh -20

  3. AJS says:

    And here comes the lefty brigade! We even get an appearance by Nate McLouth because he is such a better option than Jose Tabata!

    Tabata probably benched for his sloppy glove work as of late. But just a few short days ago this guy was banging triples. benching one of your better offensive players for sloppy defense seems like a bad move when you don’t have that much offense to begin with. Or maybe you need the better defense because you aren’t scoring any runs. Who knows!

    If ground chuck gets the sinker moving this could be a pitchers duel.

  4. AJS says:

    I have a coworker who tells me that by the end of McLouth’s stint with the Braves the fans took to calling him “McOut” I can see why. Is there anyone on this roster who has worse at bats than McLouth, now that Pressley is gone?

  5. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tabata is benched for his George Hendrick impersonation last night. Hurdle benched McCutchen last year for not running to 1st base, just being consistent. No room for lack of effort here.

  6. Nate83 says:

    @DK from the previous blog entry

    That is correct he can’t hit at all. He should fit in nicely with this group. He only has to hit .220 and not get caught stealing the times he does get on base to be an improvement.

    On another note I’ve been reading your stuff for 4 years now and not living in Pittsburgh I really appreciate all the hard work you put in. Your love of sports really shows through in your work and I really enjoy reading your columns (even the ones about the olympics). I have honestly learned a lot about the Steelers, Penguins and especially the Pirates since I started reading your columns/blog entries. I look forward to reading your stuff more then anything that is written in the Toledo Blade. Thanks

  7. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Hopefully driving home a point. To a young guy like Tabby, makes sense. He’s not above the game or the team.

    This series isn’t going to be pretty

  8. Nate83 says:

    I’ll take 20 on the over with 3 base runners reaching in the 9th against the up until this point of the season horrible Tiger relief pitching. Thanks.

  9. JohninOshkosh says:

    Tabata breaks my heart. I always thought he would be a heckuva ballplayer, and I guess he still might be someday, but his lack of effort and production this year has been very disappointing. He belongs on the bench tonight. He needs to be reminded that playing in the big leagues is a privilege.

  10. RobertoForever says:

    Someone asked the question how many teams use their DH for a backup infielder.

    I looked up one team, the Orioles, and found they use their DH for Reynolds their Util infielder often, as well as Nick Johnson (although he is not a Util Inf), just a poor backup at 1B.

    Ronny Paulino also had a few DH’s as well.

    Usually those guys are DH’ing in the 8 spot, and sometimes the 7 spot.

  11. AJS says:

    I’d rather see harrison leading off playing short stop and someone like Navaro DHing. Or better yet Tabata in the line up with JaHa at short and Jones DHing. But if you are going to make a stand and bench Tabata(and kudos for the consistency) then take barmes out and insert Navarro as the DH.

    The fact is NL teams are not made for DHing and the Pirates are probably the most ill equipped for it. Not even a poor fielding big stick in the minors to call up for a cup of coffee.

  12. Nate83 says:

    I don’t think Reynolds and Johnson fall into the utiltity infielders catagory. The next time they show any althelic ability or defensive ability will be the first time. Reynolds does two things hit home runs and strike out and he is only doing one of those this year.

  13. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    The AL is at a disadvantage when they go to NL fields. Look at the Red Sox for example. I can’t wait to see David Ortiz play 1B and Adrian Gonzalez in RF.

    That’ll make Harrison at SS look routine.

  14. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    This is a tough one…..I’ll go 20 on the over. So tempted to go ALL IN though, just because.

  15. LuckyNKentucky says:

    If DK says Gorkys can’t hit he’ll probably win the batting title next season. “This team will hit” rings in our ears. Just kiddin’

  16. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Love listening to CH talk baseball.

    I would love to hear an interview with him just about the game of baseball. Enjoy his take on it. Old School approach.

  17. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Ryan and Nate, you got it. Good Luck!!

  18. Bizrow says:

    Playoff, a nutter good one

    20 smackolas on over

    Tigers will make 3 errors ;-)

  19. Bizrow says:

    Dejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
    Arizona – Tucson, Chandler, Phoenix
    Arkansas – Rogers
    Austrailia – Mackay
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles, Newport Beach, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Yuba City
    Canada – Toronto
    Colorado – Ft Collins, Estes Park, Denver
    Connecticut – Cos Cob, Bridgeport, Wallingford
    Costa Rica
    Delaware. Newark
    District of Columbia
    Florida – Palm Harbor, Orlando, Valrico, Gainesville, Daytona Beach, Oviedo, Tampa, Jacksonville, Sarasota
    Georgia – Marietta, Atlanta
    Germany – Leverkusen/Cologne
    Hawaii – Honolulu
    Idaho – Mountain Home, Coer d’Aline
    Indiana – Indianapolis, Burns Harbor, South Bend
    Iowa – Bettendorf, Humboldt
    Illinois – La Salle, Peru, Payson, Chicago, Palatine (3 inmates there), Lincoln Park, Grayslake, Lincoln Park, Chicago
    Japan – Tokyo
    Kentucky – Louisville, Bowling Green
    Louisiana – Slidell
    Maryland – Arnold, Odenton, Severn, Baltimore, Waldorf
    Massachusetts – Boston
    Michigan – Kalamazoo, Eaton Rapids, Lansing
    Mississippi – Biloxi
    Nebraska – Omaha
    New Hampshire – Barrington
    New Jersey – Chesterfield, Princeton, Roxbury, Lebanon, Lincoln Park
    New York – New York, Smithtown
    North Carolina – Asheville, Hickory, Charlotte, Raleigh, Charleston, Wilmington, Chapel Hill
    North Dakota
    Ohio – Cincinnati, Columbiana, Westerville, Green, Hilliard, Toledo, Louisville, Columbus, Perrysburg, Pickerington, Youngstown, Cleveland, Olmsted Township, Liberty Township
    Pennsylvania – Downtown, Hopewell, Indiana, North Wales, Franklin Park, Forest Hills, Lansdale, Philadelphia, DuBois, Reading, Crafton, Arnold, Wexford, Mt Lebanon, Canonsburg, Lancaster, Huntington, York, Boiling Springs, Philly suburbs, Morningside, Harrisburg, Lawrenceville, Bradfordwoods, Norristown, Hanover, Clearfield, Sewickley, DuBois, Plum Boro, Slippery Rock, Wilks-Barre, Sharpsville, Bessemer, Greensburg, Washington, Imperial, South Side, Duncansville, Newville, Sheppton, Grove City, Butler, Allentown, Ross Township, Blairsville, Flood City (Johnstown), Overbrook, Danny’s Hoagies, Baldwin
    The Philipines
    South Carolina – Duncan, Longs, Columbia
    South Korea – Seoul
    Tennessee – Smithville, Nashville
    Texas – Tyler, San Antonio, Belton
    Vermont – North Bennington
    Virginia – JAL, Hampton, Rescue, Richmond, Front Royal, Woodbridge, Suffolk, Warrenton, Springfield, Virginia Beach
    Washington – Seattle, Nine Mile Falls, Spokane, Sammamish
    West Virginia – Martinsburg, Morgantown
    Wisconsin – Madison, Oshkosh, Hortonville

    176 locations represented in the blog,
    5/18/2012 5:20 PM

    Just post where you are currently residing and hope that I catch the post

    You know what I say though, hope but expect…..

    Double coupons for anyone logging in from Manitoba


    You can’t make this stuff up, and supposedly they called him at 2 am to let him know?

    Where I work, NH would be drug tested for cause…..

  20. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Apparently NH works the same hours as DK.

  21. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Can someone please explain to me how Brett Lowrie of the Blue Jays gets 4 games for what he did and Cole Hamels got 5? Seriously? Who’s coming up with these suspensions, the NHL?

  22. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Bizrow, you got it. Good Luck!!

    Also, you can add Fairfax, VA for me. Thanks!!

  23. JohninOshkosh says:

    @Playoffs: 20 on the over, if you please.

    @Bizrow I’ve been fishing in Manitoba. Any coupons for that? :-)

  24. bman says:


    Since Hamels is a starting pitcher, his suspension really only amounted to 1 game.

  25. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – I believe….so I’m going big tonight give me 60 on the OVER!!! I have a hunch after reading @ Milo post that link that the boys respond to the message Clint is sending. We out work and out hustle tonight and if ground Chuck can find his groove maybe a chance for us to win this game late!

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  26. RobertoForever says:


    Appreciate the work on this.

    I’ll take 30 on the over. Go get em Bucs

  27. Bizrow says:

    No, good idea though, you gotta reside there

    Dejan goes on a field trip, I guarantee we’ll have some bloggers from there

  28. RobertoForever says:


    I realize the Tigers have a reputation for winning lately, but their record is the same as our Pirates, 18-20, not 23-14.

    Jim Leyland hopes from your fingertips to God’s ears.

  29. Milo Hamilton says:

    Who would have guessed that the Pirates & Tigers would enter this series with identical records ?

  30. pattonbb says:

    @Playoffs – Can I get 20 on the over? I’m feeling lucky.

  31. PigLegs Robinson says:

    I would play McLouth everyday in instead of Tabata merely for his superior defense. I also think regular playing time would make improve his hitting. He played every single day in ST and hit well. If that doesnt work, bring up Marte.

    But my first priority would be to trade most of this pitching that the team has been building itself on for the past 25 years for as many good hitters as I can get my hands on.

  32. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    John, Jray, Roberto and pattonbb you got it. Good Luck!!

  33. bob hasis says:

    I’m certain Hurdle has a reason for playing The Fort instead of Barajas tonight, considering the series Barajas gave us in DC and some other games recently, but I don’t know what it is.

    This is a departure for me to be asking for Barajas.

    Those of you who favor Hurdle can perhaps explain.

    Oh I know, Morton prefers Fort! Just one of the reasons my jury is still out on Hurdle – he’s hard to figure if logic is allowed to be used.

  34. Milo Hamilton says:

    As hot as Barajas is, why not DH him ? It’s half a day off.

  35. JRay3 says:

    Interesting that the Tigers own one of the best inter-league records (them and Boston I believe tops), however are just 15-12 versus the Pirates. Based on that I would have to believe this is one of the teams we have fared better against in the AL as I know we have not fared too well.

  36. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Why not let Lincoln DH?

  37. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    That last sinker went about 400 feet, yikes.

  38. JRay3 says:

    Don’t know the opinion of the Bucco fans in this forum, but I have to say I really like the Black alternate tops with yellow P, always enjoy seeing the team wear those.

    And quickly the Tigers showcase middle of the lineup power to take an early lead, not good to see a line drive and shot off the wall early off Charlie.

  39. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    2 sinkers
    750 feet


  40. JRay3 says:

    I am so glad we don’t have to face Fielder as a division rival anymore as he just owns Pirate pitching…averaging a HR every 13 AB’s against us.

    Not sure how our lineup will compete against these AL Clubs that just put mashers out there.

  41. Milo Hamilton says:


    Agreed. Love the black tops. Remember those hideous red ones ?

  42. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    I really wish they would go back to something like this………..

  43. Milo Hamilton says:


    Does it cease to be a “sinker” when it’s constantly above the belt ?

  44. Dave G says:


    (tonight’s odd line-up brought to you by McDonald’s)

  45. JRay3 says:

    Not a good sign when your sinker ball pitcher drill the umpire near the head…I will be the first to echo @ Playoffs – #thisisgonnabealongnight.

    Is it too much to ask to hang around the game for a few innings and make it interesting?

  46. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    “Does it cease to be a “sinker” when it’s constantly above the belt ?”

    Depends if it still has a downward plane, and is projectable.

  47. Dave G says:

    Ruled a wild pitch? I’d have called that a passed ball…

  48. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – Yes I do, I remember when the players first modeled them and the feeling of you can’t be serious….@ Playoffs – Love those brings me back to all my Pirate baseball cards where they had black tops, yellow pants or yellow tops and black pants…sweet!

  49. Milo Hamilton says:


    Amazing isn’t it, he spouts all that garbage & still puts together an outstanding pitching staff.

  50. pattonbb says:

    Getting out of that inning after only giving up 2 isn’t so bad. I watched Verlander give up 7 or 8 hits to the Mariners last week. All is not lost…

  51. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    The 3 batters this inning:



  52. JRay3 says:

    Jones swings at a bouncing ball for strike three, McGehee first pitch excuse me swing right to the pitcher (can anyone tell me when he last had an actual hit), and McOut first pitch soft roller to second. That was quick.

  53. JRay3 says:

    The good news….Barmes and McKenry lead off the third for us!

  54. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    If they can pitch this well in August, I’ll be impressed.

  55. T.S. says:

    McLouth is a friggin’ joke. Time to retire bro.

  56. JRay3 says:

    @ T.S. – I have been screaming for that for awhile now, keep Hernandez up, recall Alex, give Marte a chance just please DFA Nate McOut!

  57. Milo Hamilton says:


    You forgot – “he has an interesting 4 pitch mix”.

  58. Karen22 says:

    McGehee now under .200 with the rest of the PATHETIC lineup. This is getting too painful to even pay attention to, let alone watch…heading outside by the firepit to listen to some soothing music so my head doesn’t blow off. Let me know if a real MLB team ever shows up tonight.

  59. JRay3 says:

    and the bottom half of the order goes K, K, PO to first and we have failed to get the ball out of the infield since Harrison as the opening batter flied out to left.

    Down on the farm….Indy getting a solid early effort from Mr. Bounce Back Rudy Owens but the offense has stranded a lead off triple in the first from Presley and have just stranded runners on second and third with one out and now have just one run in 48 innings of play.

  60. JRay3 says:

    I will give NH credit for the pitching and acquiring Bedard and Burnett, but the offense has been neglected at criminal like proportions and that is on him.

  61. JRay3 says:

    It is sad when I am already wishing that I took the under in the @ Playoffs window tonight and that I am most likely only watching to see if we can actually get 6 base runners.

  62. pattonbb says:

    Atta boy Charlie!

    Wow, I just noticed Verlander hasn’t given up a hit yet. He’s throwing a No Hitter through 3 innings. I bet mlb channel has already broken in to give their audience a No Hitter Alert.

    No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter! No Hitter!

  63. JohninOshkosh says:

    Three best home unis in MLB IMO: 1. Dodgers 2. Tigers 3. Cardinals

  64. Milo Hamilton says:

    Maybe he’s due. He hasn’t pitched one in over a year.

  65. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m not sure there is a human being on the planet that could have made contact on that third strike to Cutch. Filthy.

  66. JRay3 says:

    Tigers Middle of the lineup 3-4-5: 3 for 6 2 R’s, 3 RBI
    Pirates Middle of the lineup 3-4-5: 0 for 5 4K’s

  67. JohninOshkosh says:

    Screw you, Delmon Young. Just remember drunkenness usually reveals character…

  68. TJA says:

    I am just getting onto the blog this evening, but I work with a guy from Michigan and he is a big Tigers fan. He wanted to bet me that Verlander tosses a perfect game. I just laughed. Then he said “Ok, how about a no-hitter?” I still laughed. Hmmm…4th inning…no hits I see.

  69. TJA says:

    Agree w/you Johnin…a thing of beauty.

  70. JRay3 says:

    Just watching the first four innings shows what a hitting team is able to do….there outs have been stung, and they are able to find ways to do things with tough pitches.

  71. JohninOshkosh says:

    Only one reason to watch now: No hitter or no NO hitter?

  72. JAL says:

    No hitter is about the only thing left but I predict it won’t be a no-hitter, someone will get a bloop or something

  73. JohninOshkosh says:

    Our Bucs have faced most of the best pitchers in the majors this year. Is this going to be the best performance in the whole lot?

  74. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    And the ALL NON-TENDER TEAM goes down 1-2-3

    DK: I don’t recall Garrett Jones ever being non-tendered.

  75. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I wonder what Delmon Young thins of Hank Greenberg.

  76. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Verlander was the #2 overall pick in 2004. I honestly hope that either Taillon or Cole can pitch as well as Verlander can. He is an absolute treat to watch.

  77. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    My assertion is that they will all be non-tendered after this season.

  78. TJA says:

    Yea, as fans…you have to love what you are seeing this evening from Verlander. The guy is tremendous. Question, am I correct that Pirates scouting director, Greg Smith, had something to do in the recruitment of Verlander when Smith was with the Tigers?

  79. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tell James McDonald to grab a bat.

  80. Dave G says:

    OK I’m on board for the no hitter after that last catch.

  81. JohninOshkosh says:

    Maybe if Verlander throws a no hitter, Kate Upton will appear.

  82. Milo Hamilton says:

    What was that about Charlie Morton’s xFIP again ?

  83. JohninOshkosh says:

    I think my car has a broken xFIP.

  84. TJA says:

    Dave, I’m with you. That usually is the case in a no-hitter. You get at least one outstanding defensive play to keep it alive.

  85. Eric Bowser says:

    Adam Lind is demoted to AAA, yet it is hard to find power hitters (though he’s struggling) for trade.

    The “Plan” stinks, there’s nothing in AAA or AA for the Pirates that is considered a can’t miss prosopect, they have one hitter at either level that might turn into a doubles hitter with 15-20 HR power and there’s still some question about Marte’s future if he can’t manage his at-bats better and draw more walks.

    They wasted a 4th overall pick on a college catcher who will never make it to the majors because he lost his way, got injured, and just can’t hit, which is to say nothing about his defense, wolf.

    I like Joel Hanrahan but he’s not going to be here when Cole, Taillon, and Heredia arrive and that’s if they “arrive”, so why not trade him for some young hitters who will be here for the next few years.

    Doubt Pirates will get anything of value for Charlie Morton or Jeff Karstens.

    If you want to say, time is now to sign a free agent hitter, don’t hold your breath to wait because even if the Pirates had the money and commitment, which they don’t, the list of hitters this winter is weak.

    Pirates need a catcher, first baseman, shortstop, and corner outfielder with power.

    Top 3 players for each position w/ OPS

    C – Mike Napoli (.813), A.J. Pierzynski (.803) and Miguel Montero (.686)
    1B – Lance Berkman (.926), Carlos Lee (.787) and Carlos Pena (.737)
    SS – NO ONE
    OF – Josh Hamilton (1.278), BJ Upton (.726), Andre Ethier (.937)

    If the Pirates are going to compete offensively in 2013, they’ll need Josh Hamilton and Andre Ethier starting on the corner outfield spots. That will cost $35-40 million for just those two for the next five years.

    When you realize the investment and commitment of this ownership and the incompetence of the GM, 2013 isn’t going to be any better.

    If you think 2014 is the season to invest money into an offense, might as well look at the free agent list for that winter too because it isn’t all that great.

    Pretty ugly situation for this franchise when you realize nothing is coming up for two years in the system and there’s nothing on the way via free agency for two years. Time to step in the sandbox and play with the big boys or get out.

  86. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m with you guys too. I wanna see a no-hitter. I mean I have invested this much time already…

  87. TJA says:

    Glad we are not in the A.L. Central. Man, do I feel for the Indians and White Sox and so on.

  88. TJA says:

    Come on Neil…straighten that out…

  89. Milo Hamilton says:

    I can’t do it. I am not enjoying this one bit.

  90. TJA says:

    Oh my goodness…can this guy pitch?!!

  91. JohninOshkosh says:

    Right ump to have calling strikes if you want a no no.

  92. JRay3 says:

    wow if you are going to get calls six inches off the plate that will help.

  93. JRay3 says:

    I can’t do it either I am just getting more and more frustrated and want Cutch to take Justin deep

  94. JohninOshkosh says:

    You gotta love Verlander. Retires 18 in a row and looks disgusted after giving up a walk.

  95. Milo Hamilton says:

    That shoulda been a DP. That’s an extra out he needs to get.

  96. TJA says:

    looking at the replay…yes…6 inches off the plate was correct. think the park is full because the tiger fans, maybe, possibly saw this coming tonight and wanted to say they were there?

  97. JRay3 says:

    CB Bucknor I think wants this as well with as emphatically as he rang Jones up.

  98. JohninOshkosh says:

    Someone go get Karen22 away from the fire pit. History may be made tonight.

  99. JRay3 says:

    I just ask that Bucknor make Veralander earn it, his interpretation of a strike zone it pitiful.

  100. Milo Hamilton says:

    They brought in Resop to mess with Verlander’s rhythm.

  101. bob hasis says:

    I need to know why strike three is so demonstrably called, as opposed to strikes one and two
    That just serves to outrage off the batter, especially when it’s a lousy call.

    Further why isn’t ball four so demonstraby called to irritate the pitcher?

  102. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – a half hour half an inning may do just the trick.

  103. TJA says:

    LOL Milo….

  104. JRay3 says:

    @ bob – great point, as a player you can not and better not ever show up the umpire…but umpires can show up a player like that, very unprofessional.

  105. JRay3 says:

    I thought CB was going to pull a back muscle with that 180 twist, karate chop tornado he gave.

  106. TJA says:

    things are bad when prince gets an infield hit…yikes!

  107. JRay3 says:

    Onto some better news…our AAA squad has four hits tonight but have failed to score a run (common theme of late) through six.

  108. Milo Hamilton says:

    Resop leads the league in time of possession.

  109. bob hasis says:

    I started to say “piss off” the batter but thought better of it, then left the word “off” in there.
    Sorry, but you get my drift – and anger.

  110. Milo Hamilton says:


    I’ve been eavesdropping on your twitter conversations tonight. Have you noticed that the most ardent Huntington supporters/apologists are under the age of 30 ? Not a criticism, merely an observation.

  111. TJA says:

    can we clone verlander? just looked at those stats that that root sports put up for 2011…amazing

  112. Milo Hamilton says:

    This guy is his own bullpen. Next inning he becomes his own closer.

  113. twentytwo22 says:

    The Pirates should have spent the night gambling in Windsor. Maybe I have a problem. Maybe I should appreciate that they tried.

    A game like tonight shows why they could use a couple of good veteran hitters. Guys to look to who set an example for the younger guys of how to compete against the best. And that when you perform against the best, the other pitchers are dead meat. The right veterans can make a lasting impact. It feels like the Pirates are small-time amateurs and this game was over before it started.

  114. Eric Bowser says:

    @Milo – Pretty sad isn’t it. These kids don’t have a clue about baseball because they’ve never played it, never watched good baseball.

  115. JMB says:

    Thanks for the info Eric B.

    Pence was the guy to get last year, and Trumbo is the guy this year.

    It’s fun to think about what might have been if we had Pence in this lineup, and we are able to add Trumbo in July.

    The Phillies gave up a 38th round pick from 08, an 8th round pick, and a 10th round pick from 09, but we were too cheap to pony up for Pence’s potential arb numbers.

  116. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is equal parts maddening and magnificent.

  117. Dave G says:

    Just freakin silly right now. Unbelievable.

  118. Bizrow says:

    I throw Opie under the bus for this one

    Yup, guys gotta hit

    But if you were in a foxhole, battling, did Opie step up to the plate today to add hitting?

    The air went out of the balloon from this seat in the peanut gallery tonight with the Gorkys call up

    Just sayin

  119. TJA says:

    if we have to face verlander again in june (tigers @ pnc park 22-24)…i can’t even think about that…

  120. Eric Bowser says:

    I’m confident in saying this, this will not be the only no-hitter pitched against Pirates this year. They are THAT bad.

  121. JRay3 says:

    Barmes is plain awful, please give me Mercer, D’Arnaud, Harrison, Navarro, Cedeno, Belliard, Khalifa, Berra at this point I don’t care who it is, but Clint cut the ties please.

  122. JohninOshkosh says:

    With Verlander he is actually ahead of the batter on 3-1 counts. I’m sorry, Milo, but I am regretfully enjoying this. God help me I do so love good pitching.

  123. Dave G says:

    After 8 full innings of play

    PIT 0-0-0
    DET 6-11-0

  124. TJA says:

    i agree with you guys….this is baseball at its best. I know it’s our Pirates, but to watch a guy throw a beautiful game like this, you can’t beat it. On the other side…you just want to scream!

  125. bob hasis says:

    Poor Barmes – he is and looks overmatched. Not to worry, just another 121 games to watch this 4 – or is it 5 – million dollar bust

  126. JRay3 says:

    @Twentytwo – that’s what infuriates me the most is just that…the game was over before it ever started.

  127. TJA says:

    Lincoln to pitch the 9th?????

  128. JohninOshkosh says:

    It’s only 8:16 CDT. If Resop had not pitched, it would be 8:00

  129. Milo Hamilton says:

    This from Rob Biertempfel – “…this will be the first no-hitter that everybody in the press box saw coming and called before the first pitch.”

  130. bob hasis says:

    Welcome to the Bigs Gorkys; this is what you’ll see most every night

  131. JAL says:

    Send a tape of the game to Bradenton so Verlander can show them how it is done. Clinic tonight

  132. JAL says:

    Meant to add, show Cole and Taillon how it is done.

  133. Milo Hamilton says:


    If the doctor ever told me I have one day to live, I want Chris Resop pitching that day.

  134. pattonbb says:

    MLB did take a small step at trying to control some umpire antics by suspending Bob Davidson for unacceptable conduct today.

    Calm down friends. This is Justin Verlander. There’s a reason why he won the cy young and mvp last year. He’s no hit a couple strong lineups and come close to no hitting a few others. It’s not like we got dominated by Jamie Moyer….yet.

    Root for a hit to break this up, but enjoy it either way.

  135. Dave G says:

    Let’s get this right…

    NOW after 8 full innings of play,..

    PIT 0-0-0
    DET 6-13-0

  136. pattonbb says:

    Get ready to see some 100 mph fastballs.

  137. TJA says:

    I just want to say…posting/blogging/talking to you guys is great! It’s so good to have great baseball conversation. Thanks!

  138. JRay3 says:

    How about a bunt base hit for Gorkys?

  139. pattonbb says:

    Wouldn’t want to be the poor guy hitting behind someone who lays down a bunt here….ouch.

  140. JohninOshkosh says:

    If he pitches in Pit and you locals don’t go to see that-shame on you.

  141. Bizrow says:

    First no no since Bob Gibson in 71, was at Ft Polk, LA then, it hurt then, it hurts now

  142. TJA says:

    glad i didn’t take that bet with my co-worker….he’d be a rich man…

  143. JRay3 says:


  144. pattonbb says:

    Whoa, way to go JHay!!!!!!

  145. Dave G says:

    And JHay breaks it up with a single after one out in the ninth

  146. TJA says:

    Let’s Go Bucs!!!!

  147. JohninOshkosh says:

    Amazing, nevertheless.

  148. Eric Bowser says:

    Good work by Josh Harrison to battle and get good part of the bat on a hanger.

  149. JRay3 says:

    Maybe Clint will take notice and allow JHay to play SS for a little while.

  150. TJA says:

    truly, truly amazing….

  151. Bizrow says:

    Dodged a bullet there

  152. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s the best.

  153. Poz says:

    You can’t stop this Bucco’s offense. You can just try to contain them.

  154. TJA says:

    interesting point jray…

  155. JRay3 says:

    @ DK – best line of the night “Good for Josh Harrison. And good for #Pirates fans, who don’t deserve to be embarrassed further. … But management deserved to get no-hit.”

    This is on you Bob, Frank and Neil we all deserve better!!!!!

  156. TJA says:

    Can’t say another thing to that great post on #156. Good one!

    Have a good evening Gents and Ladies! Talk soon again…

  157. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    An amazing game by Justin Verlander makes it an easy win for the UNDER. Congrats to J-Hay for not giving up, and getting the lone hit of the game for the Bucs. Thanks to everyone for playing. See you tomorrow night.

    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) +120
    JaxBuc +70
    RobertoForever +60
    Nate83 +60
    Steve J Smith +30
    Milo Hamilton +25
    Bizrow +20
    Officer Mancuso +20
    jeffsbar +20
    cosmo +20
    pattonbb -40
    JohninOshkosh -40
    JRay3 -80

  158. JRay3 says:

    Oh and to add insult to injury Indy is being shutout again 3-0 in bottom of the 8th….maybe there is some help down in rookie ball.

  159. bob hasis says:

    NMR, Lucky and Milo please check the earlier window @#218 and #219

  160. Bizrow says:

    The FO sucks, good tidings

  161. Eric Bowser says:

    Breaking news: Bob Nutting’s form of accountability is such that a guy with DUI still has a job and another has wasted millions of dollars drafting bad player after bad player without any positive team results.

  162. Dave G says:

    The Bucs are willing to sending players down to Indy to help their offense, but Indy can’t find anyone on the Pirate roster who can help them.

  163. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Bob Hasis

    Thanks Bob. Much appreciated. I love high school football.

  164. Eric Bowser says:

    Since the Pirates have the equivalent of an intern at GM, I think his internship needs to end and another one hired to take the new internship.

  165. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Good one, Bob. I feel the same way as you on that one. Just hope I get to see a team we can be proud of in Pittsburgh before they measure my life in minutes and seconds.

  166. Baywatch says:

    Lucky, I second that emotion! I’ve felt that way, WAY too many times! Sorta like the guy in the New Testament who lived long enough to see Jesus … then died!

  167. bob hasis says:

    We have all seen this coming, winning by one run constantly (when we won), our pitchers doing a superb job of keeping us respectable.
    However when our pitcher makes a mistake, the ball is crushed. When their pitcher makes a mistake, we just don’t have the savvy hitters to get the ball on the “outfield grass” ( I stole that one from Hurdle), we usually pop it up or ground out.

    Someone mentioned above, we had to get Pence last year. We knew how well he hit against us, but NH didn’t pull the trigger – I believe – because he wasn’t allowed.
    The same with Trumbo this year; we have less of a first-hand knowledge of his hitting, but many people believe he would help. Somewhere between NH and the Nutting ownership is one huge obstructionist. They don’t seem interested in winning, just making money and giving just enough to Zambelli, to bring the core group back. When do fireworks become boring – like losing baseball games? You like to spend $100 to $200 to watch fireworks?

    I wonder when the EPA is going to come down on the Pirates for emitting all of those contaminents and pollutants into the air and poisoning the water in our rivers.

  168. Bob from Mt Lebo says:

    The sad thing is management will throw out another crappy lineup tomorrow night and win and all we’ll here is were one day closer to getting things going and they will chaulk tonights embarrasment to facing a cy young pitcher

  169. T.S. says:

    I think it’s time to call for Neal’s head. #NuttingHasNoNuts

  170. Eric Bowser says:

    When Nutting took over, officially, in 2007, this team had better talent at the major league level than what it has in 2012. It is sad the Pirates are nowhere near the hitting talent of the 2007 team.

    This is season six for Nutting and it has been a horrible failure.

  171. Eric Bowser says:

    @T.S. – I was against the extension last year and this season just confirmed my thoughts about the team’s direction as there’s no help in AAA and AA.

  172. PigLegs Robinson says:

    And don’t ever, ever forget that the Nuttings turned down Mario Lemieux when he tried to buy the team. If Nutting woudn’t sell to a man (and his rich partner) who would have been easily able to spend like the Yankees, then he ought to at least pony up some of the kinds of money they would have spent.

    But there is no reason to as long as he is making money putting out minor league teams while fans flock to fireworks nights.

  173. PigLegs Robinson says:

    And as long as their lame excuse of “we tried to acquire hitting” is accepted.

  174. Eric Bowser says:

    @PigLegs – There is no pressure on Nutting to sell the team. He’s making money, fans are coming to PNC Park for trinkets, and MLB sends in their welfare check to help support his business that can’t generate its own revenues like other teams.

    Nutting won’t sell the team unless he’s constantly pressured to do so, talking daily criticism by those in the media (newspapers, blogs, local tv stations, radio). Someone needs to ask point blank questions of Nutting and Huntington about winning now with a $50 million payroll with nothing in AAA and AA.

    Bob Nutting and Kevin McClatchy have killed a generation of baseball fans in this region because they would rather fund a team based on a welfare check than do whatever it costs to generate revenues, invest money on the major league payroll.

    The pressure needs to be turned up on Nutting.

  175. Eric Bowser says:

    It is time for Chuck Greenberg and David Morehouse to work together again and form a new ownership group consisting of Ron Burkle, Mario Lemieux, Chip Ganassi, Mark Cuban, Fuhrer family, and others to put together a can’t refuse offer to buy the Pirates from Bob Nutting and partners.

  176. John Lease says:

    Come on you negative nellies, they ‘tried’. And Harrison got a hit! The no-hitter was ‘foiled’.

    The bar can always be set lower.

  177. Eric Bowser says:

    @John L – Being no-hit is one game, 19 years going on 20 is setting the bar lower, every year this failure of an underfunded, incompetent, embarrassing, welfare club is owned by scrooges that don’t love the game, that number will continue to raise as the bar goes lower.

    It will be at least 22 years after they fail in 2013 and 2014 since there’s nothing in AAA and AA to support the team as the young pitching trio of Taillon, Cole, and Heredia hopefully arrive as all top of the rotation starters.

    Sell the team, sell the team, sell the team, sell the team.

    Failure since October 14, 1992

  178. bob hasis says:

    @Eric #178 I’m sure you are fully aware that to put all of your stock and faith in supposed pitching phenoms three or so years hence, is akin to buying a yearling at horse auctions hoping to win the Derby or horse racing’s triple crown.

    That is pie in the sky! What about the philosophy of “Let’s Win Right Now”!

    Kerry Wood just retired from the Cubs. He was their pitching phenom to bring them a pennant and World Championship (make those plurals). That didn’t happen due to physical misfortune among other things, like lousy management. (read mismanagement)

    The Cubs failure goes back to 1908. Your idea to sell. sell, sell is absolutely CORRECT.

  179. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I know you’re probably not up yet, but that is a great, great analogy. #167

  180. TJA says:

    BEAUTIFUL LINE Baywatch on #167

  181. bob hasis says:

    Does Nutting know which end of the bat to hold?

    Does NH know the difference between a thoroughbred and a mule?

    Will Hurdle be smart enough to play Harrison at SS today?

    We should beat these next two Tiger pitchers, but our staff better not give up more than 2 runs.
    Neil Walker had a great stroke last night which brought no result – today will be way better.

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