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On location: Tigers 4, Pirates 3

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DETROIT — Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (19-21) vs. Detroit Tigers (19-21)

Time: 1:05 p.m.

Site: Comerica Park, Detroit

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score. I brought a bat.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Detroit RHP Max Scherzer

  1. Jose Tabata, RF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, DH
  5. Garrett Jones, 1B
  6. Josh Harrison, 3B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Nate McLouth, LF
  9. Clint Barmes, SS

RHP Kevin Correia is starting for the Pirates.

UPDATE 10:07 a.m.: Jason Grilli went to the bereavement list, and Jeff Locke was recalled this morning from Class AAA Indianapolis.

Comments

  1. TDB1977 says:

    Wow, tomorrow’s lineup is already posted. Still no Gorky’s sighting yet. How can he battle for a spot in the outfield if he is constantly sitting on the bench?

  2. twentytwo22 says:

    Dejan’s sleeping in the clubhouse with his uniform on. It was only one win.

    Correia v Scherzer Part Deaux.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT201105210.shtml

    Last year’s ‘Thunder Bats’ handed him his first loss. Big win if the Pirates can get it.

  3. Buckeyehba says:

    Dumb lineup, put walker back to second, harrison to short, barrajas to dh, fort to catch.

  4. Buckeyehba says:

    No Jones all weekend?

  5. JMB says:

    Let me get all of the cheerleading out of the way first -

    Nutting is the greatest owner in all of Pro sports. We are blessed by his ownership of our Pirates and his exceedingly generous pocket book.

    FC is so smart that he will be the next commish.

    NH is the the best GM in baseball, if not all of sports.

    Barajas was the best FA signing of the season. PS Doumit stinks.

    BarmEs is going to ____, ok maybe he sucks and makes $5.5mm a year.

    Alvarez is hitting 50 hr’s this year.

    Tabata is the best 28, errr 25, ummm 23 yo OF in baseball. Manny Ramirez Jr!!

    McGehee just needs to time travel back to 2010.

    Clint Hurdle is a tactical genius, and a master hitting coach!

    whew – now let’s move on to some realistic talk.

    Hat Tip to our buddy @RobertoF

    DK: Guess I should respond to you, too, right?

  6. bob hasis says:

    I knew Zambelli was contaminating the drinking water – no matter where JMB lives.

  7. RobertoForever says:

    This isn’t really the lineup I don’t believe. Is it?

    DK, you should only respond to JMB if you are looking to provide balance, as opposed to fan the flames. But go ahead, it doesn’t hurt my feelings.

    As much as I am seen as a cheerleader, folks without a rooting interest think that most commenters here seem to be much too hard on the Pirates players. But that was from an unscientific poll of 7 Cleveland Indians fans, 12 Reds fans, and 2 cheeky Cubs fans.

    But it made for some great laughter as the Pirates won, but we had the blog up on the TV, with the game in the small picture in picture. We even made a drinking game based on negative comments unrelated to the game (re reality). It was fun! My friends who are Indians fans wanted to play again tomorrow, but I already have tickets to a Triple-A game.

    #BeatEmBucs – Take the series.

    DK: I was joking. And no, it’s not tomorrow’s lineup. This is a draft that I had no idea I web-published. I’ll take out the lineup, but leave the rest.

  8. RobertoForever says:

    For what’s it worth, here’s the lineup I would field tomorrow:

    1.Jose Tabata, RF
    2.Josh Harrison,DH
    3.Andrew McCutchen, CF
    4.Garrett Jones, 1B
    5.Pedro Alvarez, 3B
    6.Neil Walker, 2B
    7.Rod Barajas, C
    8.Gorkys Hernandez, LF
    9.Clint Barmes, SS

  9. Dave G says:

    Roberto-

    So while the rest of us were focusing on the game, you were focusing on making fun of all of the other bloggers????

    I think that pretty much speaks volumes about you and your non-productive condescending pseudo-Pollyanna persona.

    Thank you for removing all doubt… and have a wonderful day! :-)

  10. Dave G says:

    Dejan-

    The majority of bloggers here respect the opinions of others regardless of their points of view, but the above postings by Roberto are NOT opinions but incendiary pot shots toward those who only want this team to succeed, and I strongly object to this subject matter.

  11. Dave G says:

    And if my venting leads to any accusations against myself, let it be known that they are in defense the others on this blog.

    None of us need be amusing ourselves at the expense of others.

    Let’s ALL stop it right now.

    We’re all better than this.

    Go Bucs.

  12. Eric Bowser says:

    Pirates NL Rankings
    Runs scored 115 (16th)
    Runs allowed 146 (3rd)
    Run Differential -31 (tied 12th)
    …You can’t possibly ask for a better pitching staff at this point in the season, so note to any of you wanting to be a future General Manager, don’t put all your eggs into the pitching basket.

    If Pirates had a league average in runs scored, they would have 163 runs, which would put them into a +17 run differential, which is a 48 run turnaround over 40 games, which I think turns 3-4 losses into wins.

    All we’re asking for is league average performance, nothing more.

    Do something.

  13. Eric Bowser says:

    Today, I would like to see this lineup

    1. Jose Tabata, RF
    2. Josh Harrison, SS
    3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
    4. Garret Jones, DH
    5. Neil Walker, 2B
    6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
    7. Casey McGehee, 1B
    8. Rod Barajas, C
    9. Gorkys Hernandez, LF

  14. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Dave and Eric,

    Great posts. Eric, I like your lineup. Makes sense all around. Get Jones out of the field and keep his bat in there. Give Hernandez a shot and get his speed at #9, like a second leadoff hitter. McGehee is due. We’ll see if great minds think alike with you and Clint.

  15. JMB says:

    I’ve tried to stay out of the recent debates since we’ve been having them since 2008 with the Bay trade, and we never agree or get anywhere. If you think NH is doing a great job, no amount of stats, facts, or bad trades/FA signings/drafts is going to change that opinion. More power to you. We all want the same thing: a winning team.

    In 2008 with the gutting of the hit squad, we were told by many of the zealous FO supporters that 2012 would be the year. They didnt say it would be the year that we would score 450 runs.

    On the flip side, I have been impressed by how Bucsdugout has gone much more moderate this season since it shows that bad trades/FA signings/drafts are being acknowledged by some previous bloggers who called anyone who challenged this FO a troll.

    Pirates’ fans are probably some of the most polarized in sports (almost 20yrs of losing will do that).

  16. RobertoForever says:

    Grilli placed on Bereavement leave (death of wife’s grandfather).

    Jeff Locke called up from Triple-A

  17. RobertoForever says:

    Dave G,

    You can have whatever opinion you want.

    But the fact is, that the making fun of and belittling of what people have called the “strident supporting” of the front office has been going on for weeks.

    And anyone who points out the positive after a win has been shouted down with 20 years of losing, and incorrect facts about this FO drafting Moskos over Wieters, etc.

    This team is winning as much as it is losing. But complaining about things that this owner, and this FO are laughable.

    I was telling some folks at a barbeque about this blog while we were watching the Pirates game (and they were rooting for the Pirates over the Verlanders, er I mean Tigers). And they wanted to see the comments.

    The fact that 20 other people thought the negative comments were hilarious is hardly an indictment against me.

    And if I had been the one who had thought of the drrinking game based on negative unattached comments, I would be in perpetual rehab.

    Your arrogant, insulting tone is not warranted or appreciated. Just because there are 5 or 6 people here that cheer the snide attacks and swipes, doesn’t mean it floats outside the bubble.

    There are intelligent people here, including Milo, Lucky, JAL, NMR, etc. But this playing the victim as fans wears thin. With respect to my “unabashed support” of the FO, I challenge you, Dave G, to find posts were I said this FO was the best in baseball. Far from it. I would rank it in the bottom half. But continue with your mistating of my positions. Its comical.

  18. RobertoForever says:

    I just went back to see the comments that were posted in the hours after the win was cheered at the final out.

    About 35 negative, 4 positive. Hardly even acknowledging the wins. When someone pointed out how ridiculously good the pitching talent has been that the Pirates have faced, he was shouted down with talk of ‘excuses’. But its perfectly ok to point out how ridiculously bad the Pirates hitting is.

    Like I said, objective people look at that and can’t understand the victimology.

  19. RobertoForever says:

    Very strange

    Jeff Locke was supposed to start today in Indy. So if he doesn’t pitch significant time today or tomorrow, he will have been called up and “skipped his spot” in the rotation.

    I am puzzled by this move, unless Milo was correct in his guess about Correia going on the DL?

  20. LuckyNKentucky says:

    It is a strange move, RF, similar to the Gorkys move.

  21. JAL says:

    Locke is replacing Grilli, Jason Grilli went to the bereavement list

  22. T.S. says:

    I love Clint’s enthusiasm (especially after a win), but I’m starting to wonder about his strategic skills. McLouth is the poster boy for undeserved starts.

  23. T.S. says:

    The old baseball adage that “the bat plays” clearly doesn’t apply with this team.

  24. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Tonight’s OVER / UNDER (always just for fun of course)

    Total Pedro Alvarez Hits + Walks
    Line is 1.5

    Anyone can play!! What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!

    CURRENT PARTICIPANT TOTALS
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) +120
    JaxBuc +70
    Nate83 +60
    RobertoForever +35
    Steve J Smith +30
    Milo Hamilton +25
    Officer Mancuso +20
    jeffsbar +20
    cosmo +20
    Bizrow EVEN
    pattonbb -40
    JohninOshkosh -40
    JRay3 -160

    P.S. – Can’t we all just get along??

  25. bob hasis says:

    Truth will always be the truth – no matter with which color or size of brush you want to paint it

    Facts are always simple black and white.

    The variable always occurs when misinformed or uninformed people or partisans offer up opinions, which clearly defines their own lack of the truth or the facts.

    And furthermore if I’m elected,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .!!!

    This is a terrific blog with many characters, personalities, intellects, levels of success, zealousness for the Pirates and I love it. Keep it rolling but always be alert to the difference between the wheat and the chaffe.

    I just came from Church so I’m feeling extra-righteous. End of Sermon

  26. T.S. says:

    And what is with the Pirates horrible SB percentage? I think they’ve been thrown out on 1/2 of their attempts. Wow, that’s sad. Along with the 3rd base coach and Gregg Ritchie going bye byes, maybe it’s time to reevaluate the base running coach.

    My choices for lineup:

    Tabata – LF
    Walker – 2B
    Cutch – CF
    McGehee – 1B
    Barajas – C
    Harrison – 3B
    Jones – RF
    Alvarez – DH
    Navarro – SS

  27. RobertoForever says:

    Another good o/u @Playoffs. As always, appreciate the work, even if it is recording my first two loss streak.

    I hate seeing Pedro in that 4 spot right now. So I will have to go under. 20 play units.

    Hope I am wrong and Pedro has a 2-Hr game. Beat em Bucs

  28. Bunch of fair weather fans... says:

    “When someone pointed out how ridiculously good the pitching talent has been that the Pirates have faced, he was shouted down with talk of ‘excuses’. But its perfectly ok to point out how ridiculously bad the Pirates hitting is.”

    That was ‘Black n Gold’ and he correctly predicted that response in his post. Rational people, who understand that the competition and resources factor into the results, are routinely mocked here with incorrect facts and insults. Saying that the Pirates are young might be an excuse. Statistics that verify the outstanding quality of the teams the Pirates have faced are facts.

    Here are more facts. The Pirates showed a significant improvement last season before injuries (more man-games lost than any team in the NL Central) derailed the team. They also have one of the top pitching staffs in the NL. Yet, few of the whiners want to give credit for those things. The Pirates have to improve the hitting. I’m the first to admit it. I, among others, can also give credit where it is due because reasonable people can do that. Besides, projecting hitting ability is much harder than pitching. Any scout will tell you that.

  29. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Roberto, thanks as always for the kind words, you got it. good luck!!

  30. LikeaBugonaRug says:

    Disclaimer. I am not a good judge of the quality of this FO. Have they “tried”, yes. Have they succeeded, no. Should they be held accountable for that right now? It depends on the development of players. If all these minor league players don’t show something this year and next, IMO this FO should be gone. Because other than pitchers, they haven’t been able to acquire/develop any reasonable talent. They have also signed or traded for some players(McGehee, Barmes) that as a whole I didn’t think were bad choices. Maybe there is something about putting on that Pirates uniform that just makes players perform below their capabilities.

    The posts that I find most ridiculous are the ones that ridicule the FO for the drafting of Alvarez. Maybe he will produce, maybe he won’t. But, that doesn’t take away from the fact that in many “expert” opinions Pedro was a very good and responsible draft choice. The other one I find bad is for the drafting of Tony Sanchez. While he wasn’t a glamour pick and was chosen higher than expected, the kid was doing well until he got hit twice in the face/head. He may never be the same player again. But, that isn’t the FO’s fault for drafting him. That is just plain bad luck.

    But, the main direction I am going with my comments, living on the eastern side of the state gives me forlorness but also a different perspective since this team has unfortunately been winning quite a bit over the past half decade. There is a column in today’s Inquirer at this link questioning the ability of the Phils front office. Most centers around Freddy Galvis and what they will do with him when Chase Utley comes back(and the opinion by their FO that he’s all defense/no hit…of course, he’s only been in the majors for 2 months so how you can say for this type of player that he’ll have a great career is beyond me). However, it also looks back at the development and opinions of their FO regarding Utley’s and Ryan Howard’s abilities. Remember, that FO was supposedly ready to trade Howard for Kip Wells. Seems like the lucked out on that one. Who knows whether Howard would’ve turned into the HR hitter that he did if he was in the Bucs lineup, but you can bet the Phils are saying “WHEW” each time they think about that trade.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120520_Phil_Sheridan__Phillies__Galvis_showing_he_belongs_in_the_big_leagues.html

    Who wouldn’t like to have had the Phils recent success? But is it because their FO was good? Or just very lucky?

    Kevin

  31. JRay3 says:

    Urgh – Why does Clint insist on playing Nate McOut and Clint Barmes I just don’t get it…if this is the case for LF please bring Alex back at least there is hope with him.

    @ Playoffs – you have my number but today is the day….all in 160 on the under I have to be due right? If not I may be in a worst drought than Barmes and his hitting.

    Time to get the series today and of KC struggles early get Locke in there…Let’s go Bucs!

  32. RobertoForever says:

    @JRay,

    I will definitely have to root for the under today. You deserve a break. Maybe Jimmie Johnson can loan you some units. He seems flush today, lol.

  33. Bizrow says:

    @playoffs

    At the risk of doing something positive, I will take 20 on the over.

    Folks, IMO, its the differing perspectives that make this blog what it is. It should be ok to post your thoughts but not get personal about them.

    We can agree to disagree, right?

  34. Bizrow says:

    If you want to sign up, just post where you are currently residing

    Dejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
    Arizona – Tucson, Chandler, Phoenix
    Arkansas – Rogers
    Austrailia – Mackay
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles, Newport Beach, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Yuba City
    Canada – Toronto
    Colorado – Ft Collins, Estes Park, Denver
    Connecticut – Cos Cob, Bridgeport, Wallingford
    Costa Rica
    Delaware. Newark
    District of Columbia
    Florida – Palm Harbor, Orlando, Valrico, Gainesville, Daytona Beach, Oviedo, Tampa, Jacksonville, Sarasota
    Georgia – Marietta, Atlanta
    Germany – Leverkusen/Cologne
    Hawaii – Honolulu
    Idaho – Mountain Home, Coer d’Aline
    Indiana – Indianapolis, Burns Harbor, South Bend
    Iowa – Bettendorf, Humboldt
    Illinois – La Salle, Peru, Payson, Chicago, Palatine (3 inmates there), Lincoln Park, Grayslake, Lincoln Park, Chicago
    Japan – Tokyo
    Kentucky – Louisville, Bowling Green
    Louisiana – Slidell
    Maryland – Arnold, Odenton, Severn, Baltimore, Waldorf
    Massachusetts – Boston
    Michigan – Kalamazoo, Eaton Rapids, Lansing
    Mississippi – Biloxi
    Nebraska – Omaha
    New Hampshire – Barrington
    New Jersey – Chesterfield, Princeton, Roxbury, Lebanon, Lincoln Park
    New York – New York, Smithtown
    North Carolina – Asheville, Hickory, Charlotte, Raleigh, Charleston, Wilmington, Chapel Hill
    North Dakota
    Ohio – Cincinnati, Columbiana, Westerville, Green, Hilliard, Toledo, Louisville, Columbus, Perrysburg, Pickerington, Youngstown, Cleveland, Olmsted Township, Liberty Township
    Pennsylvania – Downtown, Hopewell, Indiana, North Wales, Franklin Park, Forest Hills, Lansdale, Philadelphia, DuBois, Reading, Crafton, Arnold, Wexford, Mt Lebanon, Canonsburg, Lancaster, Huntington, York, Boiling Springs, Philly suburbs, Morningside, Harrisburg, Lawrenceville, Bradfordwoods, Norristown, Hanover, Clearfield, Sewickley, DuBois, Plum Boro, Slippery Rock, Wilks-Barre, Sharpsville, Bessemer, Greensburg, Washington, Imperial, South Side, Duncansville, Newville, Sheppton, Grove City, Butler, Allentown, Ross Township, Blairsville, Flood City (Johnstown), Overbrook, Danny’s Hoagies, Baldwin
    The Philipines
    South Carolina – Duncan, Longs, Columbia
    South Korea – Seoul
    Tennessee – Smithville, Nashville
    Texas – Tyler, San Antonio, Belton
    Vermont – North Bennington
    Virginia – JAL, Hampton, Rescue, Richmond, Front Royal, Woodbridge, Suffolk, Warrenton, Springfield, Virginia Beach, Fairfax
    Washington – Seattle, Nine Mile Falls, Spokane, Sammamish
    West Virginia – Martinsburg, Morgantown
    Wisconsin – Madison, Oshkosh, Hortonville

    177 locations represented in the blog,
    5/20/2012 11:47 AM

  35. JMB says:

    I dont think anyone can say it is luck when the Phils have a 2008 38th rounder and 2009 8th and 9th rounders to trade for Pence. How many of NH’s late round picks from 2008 & 2009 look like a surprise top prospect that could fetch a big bat?

    If you draft in the top five for five straight years, even a blind squirrel should be able to get a gem once in a while.

    Many of us were all for the PA pick, so I try to go easy on that. Many people at the time called Sanchez Moskos part 2. NH’s FA signings are on par with DL’s terrible moves. NH’s drafts are questionable at best. Even DL was able to draft Cutch & Walker for this “barren” farm system that NH inherited.

    The 2008 Pirates were 26-29 at the end of May, and I guessing this current team will be somewhere around that record. The 08 team is often ridiculed as being barren, terrible, devoid of talent and “not the ’27 Yankees,” but they scored 460 runs at the 94 game mark. This current team is on pace to score less than 460 for the entire season.

    We all agree DL stunk, but he got a team that could hit. How is NH still a good GM five seasons in when he has a team that can only pitch???

  36. Dave G says:

    I was never talking about the posts demeaning or supporting the Pirates.

    I was talking about the posts demeaning each other.

    It’s gotta stop. From all of us.

  37. JRay3 says:

    @ Roberto – thx I need this @ Playoffs has frustrated me with sharp lines long enough.

    Interesting post @ likeabug I agree with your assessment on Pedro he was the universal choice and was happy to see the team step up and make that pick…Tallion and Cole seem like the right choices as well, however Moskos (and I am aware different GM but same ownership) was a brutal pick, Sanchez was a safe pick due to sign ability and the fact we missed on Wieters may have forced us to look at catcher but there were several more highly ranked players than Sanchez at 4. And our FO failed by not acquiring Howard when we had the chance but if anything we have seen we like projectable arms and have not had large success finding, scouting or developing hitters.

    it worked yesterday, so bring us home a W today fellow fans have to catch the game on DVR later today!

  38. Naje says:

    In the past few seasons, one of the major points of contention from fans on the blogs was that they wanted results at the major league level.

    No matter the hitting and, really, in SPITE of the hitting, the game results speak for themselves: 19-21. Not talking about sustainability, just what they’ve done in 40 games that, in every series, the Bucs have faced the opposing team’s opening day starter and their top starting pitcher with respect to lowest ERA.

    Not bad considering. Doesn’t matter if you win with 1 run on 1 hit, or 10 runs on 15 hits, it’s still a win. Doesn’t matter if you lose with 0 runs on 1 hit or 12 runs on 15 hits, it’s still a loss.

  39. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    JRay, the window appreciates your ALL IN attitude. Your room and meals are now comped. Good Luck!!

  40. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Bizrow, you got it. Good Luck!!

  41. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    After watching Pedro Alvarez struggle the past few weeks as the clean-up hitter, I was drown back to this quote from Keith Law on March 24th.

    **** “I’ve been asked by a lot of readers if Alvarez is a ‘bust,’ but I don’t like hanging that term on position players who haven’t even reached age 27 (Alvarez plays at 25 this year). But the Pittsburgh Pirates didn’t handle him well — I always thought they rushed him up the minors, promoting him the moment he strung together a few good performances — and adjustments he clearly needed to make coming out of college remain unmade. He doesn’t have an ideal setup or swing, and his recognition of offspeed stuff has never been great — far worse than that when the pitcher is left-handed. ****

    Seems like the exact same thing happened when he had that one good week at the beginning of this month. Instead of being left batting 5th, 6th or 7th, he was rushed into the clean-up slot.

    I could be totally wrong here, but it just seems that this was the case again.

  42. Don Longley says:

    Any chance Pirates sign Adam Lind from blue jays ???

  43. radio wave says:

    Tigers radio rave reviewsxof amac’s d.

  44. Eric Bowser says:

    Want to know why Neal Huntington is disliked by some in the media and some bloggers or fans?

    Apparently, he whined about media and bloggers being too hard on Stetson Allie.

    Thin skinned Neal?

    I’ll give credit to Neal for having a nice group of pitchers in the majors and a few minor pieces in AAA/AA but those positives are offset by the horrendous state of the major league team offensively and one bonafide prospect in AAA, none at AA.

    What exactly is the plan for 2013 and 2014?

    Let’s repeat.
    Positive: Pitching
    Negative: Hitting

    What wins baseball games, good pitching and good hitting. Right now, Pirates don’t have half of the formula, a good GM doesn’t fail that bad at the equation.

    Go Bucs.

  45. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
    BarmEs had a nice hit, and an even nicer hard slide into second to help delay the double-play. Well done.

  46. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Eric,

    This blog is not guilty on Allie. Nobody, in my limitied memory, not DK or anyone has criticized him. If he’s wild, he’s wild. Not a critique, just fact. I don’t think that’s why Neal is disliked. I think he earned that. Even so, nobody dislikes HIM, just the “results oriented” job he’s doing. (Like Bob, just came from church, where we like everyone-hate the sin, love the sinner, not necessarily in that order).

  47. Eric Bowser says:

    @Lucky – agreed, I don’t dislike the person, just the results. He hasn’t lied to my face like he has to the media covering the team. I will admit, I honestly dislike Frank Coonelly (DUI) and Bob Nutting for refusing to sell this team knowing he lacks the funding to bring a winner here.

  48. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Pedro now at 7 K’s in 3 games

  49. JAL says:

    Scherzer on 18 K pace through 8 innings

  50. Eric Bowser says:

    9 strikeouts through 4 innings for the Pirates.

  51. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    This team has generated enough wind power from the swinging K’s this weekend to power Rivers Casino next week…….

  52. radio wave says:

    9k’s; how maby more?

  53. Eric Bowser says:

    10 K’s thru 4 1/3 IP

    I’m guessing this could end up at 16 for Scherzer

  54. Eric Bowser says:

    hey look at that, Barajas was sitting dead red.

    1-0 Pirates

  55. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Rockin’ Roddy goes yard. WOOOOOOO!!!!

  56. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Cy Scherzer vs. Cy Correia. 82 and sunny in Detroit. Fans must be enjoying it.

  57. Eric Bowser says:

    Serious, why have Gorkys Hernandez here, if all you are going to do is throw that piece of trash, Nate McLouth, out there. What a waste of $1,750,000

  58. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Gorkys is this year Ciriaco perhaps?? The parsley on the dinner plate if you will.

  59. Eric Bowser says:

    so typical of Correia, gives up homer to Peralta after Pirates get their first lead. Argh

  60. Brian says:

    Rod Barajas is now 6 for 13 with 2 HR since #WeTried. Could we have another #C type situation here?

    (Of course, Barajas’s current 7 game hitting streak started five days prior to Mr. Huntington’s comments, but I’m willing to overlook that.)

  61. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Gameday has run afoul. What is the score? Thanks.

  62. RobertoForever says:

    Hot Rod, trying to takeover the hottest hitting Pirate moniker again.

    McCutchen and Walker, the ‘only 2 ML players’ on the team, looking over matched today, 0 for 4 strikeouts. Maybe they should be benched.

    Jones, Barmes and Barajas carrying the team today, 3 for 6 with all the hits.

  63. RobertoForever says:

    Haha, Neil heard me and took his frustrations out on Scherzer.

    HR and puts the ‘good guys up 2-1

  64. RobertoForever says:

    Your turn, Clutch

  65. JAL says:

    Home run Walker Pirates retake lead in 6th 2-1

  66. Officer Mancuso says:

    Bucs have 19 AB, 12 K, lead 2-1. Crazy.

  67. RobertoForever says:

    24/7 must be distracting the gamecast guy in Detroit with all his rips on the ‘good guys.

    Problems with it all day

  68. Eric Bowser says:

    Good job by Correia to set them down in order, Pirates head to the 7th, leading 2-1.

  69. pattonbb says:

    With all due respect, the mere fact that we’re talking about Gorkey’s Hernandez with the “Big Club” proves just how bad the hitting must be in the minor leagues.

    But, maybe they know there’s no hitting down there. Maybe that’s why they brought up the best defense playing outfielder?

  70. radio wave says:

    First tiger to k 15 in 40 years. Team mark 16.

  71. Officer Mancuso says:

    I wonder what it would take to get the Pirates to change their hitting coach? Seriously.

  72. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    39 K’s and counting for the Bucs in the 3 games against Detroit. Every Bucs run has come off the long ball.

    #Allornothing

  73. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    This game got ugly real quick.

  74. RobertoForever says:

    Wow, went off the rails.

    Watson is usually more reliable. Wonder if that 3rd pitch to Avila should have been called third strike. Looked good.

    But Watson is usually better than that. Bummer.

  75. Eric Bowser says:

    This is what happens with a horrible offense, there’s no margin for error.

    Barmes/McLouth are screw ups at the plate, can’t handle that in the field with a 1-run lead. Then a crossed up Watson/Barajas combo moves up runners and just like that, it is 4-2 Tigers.

    Should have went with Harrison at SS and Hernandez in LF as I said earlier, this inning would have been over with the lead.

  76. Officer Mancuso says:

    This team is deeply flawed from owner to president to GM to scouts to manager to coaches to players. At the GM level and below, kudos on assembling good pitching.

  77. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Tigers announcers just gave out a real intersting / sad stat:

    In the entire history of the Detroit Tigers, the 39 strikeouts by the Pirates is the most EVER in a 3 game series against the Tigers. EVER!

  78. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    118 years to be exact. WOW!

  79. Parrothead01 says:

    Yes, the defense of our wonderful Neal huntington pickups contribute to cost the Pirates another game. Well below average hitting and below average defense. What a combination.

  80. RobertoForever says:

    I know I bet the under on Pedro, but I would love to see a 2-run Double or a 3-run HR.

    #ElToro

  81. Officer Mancuso says:

    Ah, Pedro can save the day. My money says he does not rise to the occasion.

  82. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Paging Mr. and Mrs. Alvarez, Paging Mr. and Mrs. Alvarez, please come pick up your son. He’s lost again.

  83. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    He’s back under .200 again, and back on pace for 250 K’s. Early May seems so long ago.

  84. RobertoForever says:

    Below Average Defense?

    Based on what stat?

    The Pirates are at the league average for Errors and Fielding % and are better than the league average in GIDP.

    Wow, stretching the truth just to be negative.

    The hitting is bad lately. But let’s not exaggerate the truth.

  85. RobertoForever says:

    Would love to see Pedro batting in the 6 spot. Still don’t agree with moving him up.

  86. pattonbb says:

    Wow, Jose Bautista, er, I mean Pedro Alvarez just doesn’t seem to get it.

  87. RobertoForever says:

    Following up on that exaggerated poor defense claim

    The Pirates catchers have 4 PB – 1 more than the league average of 3. and the Pitchers have 7 WP – 5 less than the league average.

    Added together – that’s 11 total – 4 less than the league average of 15.

    The one obvious deficiency is in CS% at 14% – worst in the majors. Just ahead of Pit – is Boston at 17%, and that All-Star combo in Minnesota – Mauer and Doumit – at 18% CS. Wow, what could have been in we had just given Doumit that $14 million.

  88. Reading says:

    Look at two hangers right over the heart of the plate, and K on a pitch in the right hand batter’s box. Another L.

  89. Officer Mancuso says:

    I’d love to trade Alvarez for Ronny Cedeno, who was substantially more productive and less expensive.

  90. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I miss Jeff King……..

  91. JMB says:

    Jay Hay wants some playing time.

    “Gimme Barmes spot!”

  92. Reading says:

    J-Hay gets it. Swing the bat!

  93. RobertoForever says:

    @Reading

    Didn’t see the video, but the 2nd pitch looked high and not actually a strike. It is possible for a player to correctly lay off a pitch and still have it go against them, right?

  94. RobertoForever says:

    @2nd called strike that is

  95. pattonbb says:

    Where’s Dirty Doug Mientkiewicz when you need him…?

  96. Reading says:

    Roberto, both of those pitches should have been hammered into the right field stands. I’m not interested in power hitters who look at mistakes.

  97. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    To quote the late, great Ernie Harwell……..
    McLouth stood there like a house on the side of the road watching the traffic go by!”

  98. JMB says:

    Nate the no longer great.

    Rough hitting series (40k’s?), but nice pitching overall. A microcosm of the season to date.

  99. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Pedro has a rough day and a rough series. The UNDER wins. Thanks to al who played. See you next game!!

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  100. JMB says:

    If we had Pence & Trumbo, we’d be a WC contender at the minimum, and we’d prolly be in 1st place in the central today.

  101. Dave says:

    Dejan,

    When do Ritchie and Hurdle start getting some blame for the Pirates lack of offense? Hurdle is known to be an offensive asset and yet since he and Ritchie have taken over the hitting coach duties for the Pirates only Cutch has actually progressed while everyone else seems to have regressed. Do Hurdle and Ritchie deserve any of the blame or are guys like Walker, Tabata, Presley, Alvarez, Doumit, etc really that bad?

  102. RobertoForever says:

    There should be no indictment of the coaching staff or the players.

    At least they are trying

  103. RobertoForever says:

    The pitch F/x data is up and both pitches that were called strikes against Alvarez should have been swung on. The 2nd called strike was just outside the strike zone. But with your team down 2 runs, you have to be pounding those.

    The Nate McLouth called 3rd strike was so far outside it was in Windsor. C’est la vie. This ump crew must have had a bet with another crew on how many outside pitches they could get away with calling strikes. 9 by CB Bucknor for Verlander alone on Friday night.

    Well, back to the burgh for this road show. Pirates have the best home record in the NL Central.

  104. Officer Mancuso says:

    What Dave said. Of course you can ask, is the GM and his scouts asking the coach to teach the clueless, and I think DK may be leaning toward answering “yes”. That’s an interesting question. But in the 5′th year of NH’s futility, only a manager and a pitching coach have been held accountable for remarkable failures, and that reluctantly. The fish rots from the head.

  105. Bizrow says:

    Crap, now all of a sudden its my fault Stetson Allie is struggling?

    Ok, I’m a life long PBC fan, since I was old enough to know there was baseball, why not……

  106. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Indy breaks its losing streak today. Jordy Mercer, .283 with 2 hits and Jose Morales, .296 with 2 hits. Certainly, he can’t handle the staff like Barajas has but he might be something to consider to get the Fort more time at Indy. Another good outing for Ric Vandenhurk and Doug Slaten, also.

  107. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just watching post game interview with Barajas. He took the blame for the cross up that led to the passed ball with Watson. He changed the sign, Watson threw what he put down & Barajas forgot what he told him 30 seconds earlier.

  108. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Short-term memory can be a problem for grizzled, old 35-year olds.

  109. Bizrow says:

    NH takes no responsibility

    Not his fault, everything is going according to Ze Plan

  110. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Biz

    If Stetson Allie’s struggles are our fault, I say we take credit for… oh that’s right. Opie hasn’t drafted anyone to take credit for. Nevermind.

  111. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Biz,

    I don’t like to use the “h” word, (and be negative, of course) but I truly dislike Ze Plan. Have had all along, but that’s my opinion only.

  112. Bizrow says:

    Lucky, do you dislike the words Ze Plan or you dislike the plan?

    I had a great couple of vacations driving my son to school in California, we had a map, we had a plan, and we deviated from the plan many times knowing we knew exactly where Cal Tech is. We got there both times.

    NH has a plan, a good thing, but it seems to me, he is unwilling to deviate from it, go with the flow, take advantages of opportunities that arise.

    Neal, IMO, will not admit he’s wrong, the babble about others being responsible for Stetson struggling, just blows my mind

    If the words “Ze Plan” upset you, let me know and I will stop using them.

    Calling FC Slick Frankie on the other hand… ;-)

  113. cosmo says:

    don’t give up yet. we still have “the best management team in baseball” ha ha ha

  114. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Biz,

    Not the words, the Plan itself.

  115. JMB says:

    The Mets have a -31 run differential, and they are 22-19.

    The Pirates have a -32 run diff, and they are 19-22.

    I wonder how this series will go. I’m expecting low scoring tight games.

    By comparison, the Padres (-36) and the Cubs (-37) are currently 15-26. If the Pirates were 15-26, I would have already held my 10 games under .500 and the season is over pity party.

  116. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates have acquired 28 year old middle infielder Drew Sutton from the Braves minor leagues for cash.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/suttodr01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker

    There you go, all fixed. As you were.

  117. Milo Hamilton says:

    Indianapolis GM Neil Huntington has been busy in recent days.

    - May 12th – acquired 1B Jeff Larish From Boston
    - May 16th – pulled OF Alex Presley from Pittsburgh
    - May 20th – acquired INF Drew Sutton from Atlanta

    I wonder if he’s done ? If he is, maybe he could pay some attention to the big league club. Sure hope things get better in Indy soon.

  118. JAL says:

    Things got better in Indy–they won today.

  119. LuckyNKentucky says:

    WV has a shortstop, Alen Hansen, a 19-year old from the DR who is hitting .339 with 6 homers, 21 RBI’s and 13 SB. The only problem, he committed his 21st error today. Guess he may be something in “The Plan” for 2015 if they could get his glove going.

  120. bob hasis says:

    NH reminds me of a novice chess player, making miniscule moves with pawns, while his opponent makes three strategic plays and NH is in checkmate.

    Another old analogy about NH is he can’t see the forest because of the trees.

    He is in so far over his head it is incredible.

    But we continue to hope.

    All trite cliches but applicable

  121. JAL says:

    Hansen probably better suited for 2nd than ss

  122. bob hasis says:

    Listening now to Sportscenter, before a real game is about to begin, I am embarrassed how Kruk, who refused to face Randy Johnson waved at three pitches from essentially outside of the batter’s box, is ridiculing the Pirates for 45 K’s in 3 games, along with the empty suit who never held a bat in his hand.

    But that becomes the net result of incompetence here in Pittsburgh.

  123. JAL says:

    The amazing thing is that with 45 Ks they won 1 game and could have won today with better play on defense.

  124. Milo Hamilton says:

    Dejan,

    I don’t think they need to move the penalty kicks back in soccer. Barmes scores easy today.

  125. bob hasis says:

    Yes it is amazing, and I wonder does all – or most – of the credit go to our pitching? What other possibility exists that allows us to think we could have won today?

  126. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Bob,

    I remember when Kruk bailed on Johnson in the All-Star Game. Made a real clown of himself. I think Johnson might have even cracked a smile, which was rare for him. You’re right.

  127. bob hasis says:

    I’m somewhat out of the loop with regard to our low minor leaguers, please clue me in.
    Stetson Allie was drafted after Jamison Taillon, correct? Is his problem control or is he getting lit up.

    It sounded so encouraging when they were drafted, and the media (their credibility is on the line) were so upbeat that we would see these guys in say 4 years. While all of that is possible still, what seems to be Allie’s problem?

  128. JAL says:

    Move the penalty kicks back–why? Yesterday Bayern missed one during the OT, then two in the shootout and Chelsea missed one in the shootout. That is hardly a sure thing.

  129. bob hasis says:

    Lucky, that was the most humilliating thing a baseball player ever has done. And you are right it was the All-Star game, a National stage, and he gets rewarded with a cushy job on ESPN to ridicule others.

  130. JAL says:

    Allie was picked after Taillon and it was known at that time he was a project.

    This should be all you need to know–thrown only 2/3 rds of an inning–gave up 1 hit had 1 K and 8 walks 1 HBP 4 runs

    in 2011 he threw 26 innings at State College, walked Struck out 28 and walked 29 and had 9 HBP

    Problem is control

  131. T.S. says:

    http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/12/28/2662370/braves-nri-in-depth-drew-sutton

    Today we continue our off-season series examining the Atlanta Braves non-roster invitees (NRIs) to spring training with a look at utility infielder Drew Sutton. Like Monday’s NRI In-Depth player, Jason Rice, Sutton was a member of the Red Sox last season (and he was once claimed off waivers by Cleveland, like Rice).

    Sutton was drafted first by the Rockies in the 38th round of the 2002 draft, but did not sign until drafted out of Baylor University by the Astros in the 15th round of the 2004 draft. In what could be an interesting twist of fate, Sutton was the player to be named later in a trade for Jeff Keppinger in 2009 — Keppinger being a player the Braves are looking at signing as a possible infield utility player.

    Sutton spent much of last season on the Red Sox 25-man roster, but was sacrificed to the minors to make room on the roster when the Sox acquired Erik Bedard at the July 31st trade deadline. The very next day while taking ground balls before a game at triple-A, Sutton dislocated his finger, which ultimately required surgery and caused him to miss a month. The Sox never recalled him, and let him go after the season. The Braves signed him to a minor league deal with an invite to spring training.

    When I started to study Sutton’s minor league stats in depth I noticed that at no level for whatever length of time, no matter what he batted, Sutton never had an on-base percentage below .351 — whether it was for five games at triple-A in 2009 or 43 games in his first taste of high-A in 2005. In eight minor league season he has a .378 career on-base percentage.

    The Majors haven’t been as kind to Sutton, only a .322 OBP in parts of three seasons, but he’s gotten better each year (.297, .310, .362 from ’09 to ’11). With a decent amount of Major League service time now under his belt, Sutton is primed to build upon his success in Boston last year.

    As a defensive player he can hold his own at every infield position, as well as the outfield corners. He’s best at third base, and probably worst at shortstop, where he should only play in an emergency. He brings a touch of speed, good gap power, but most of all he brings a steady-yet-unspectacular approach to the plate.

    There’s no telling if that approach will find success in a pinch hitting role. Last year in the American League, Sutton only had six pinch-hit opportunities. He did pinch-hit in 26 games with the Reds in 2009, hitting just .182. Since then he seems to have grown as a hitter, so one would hope for better results if given that many opportunities this year.

    And those opportunities might be a reality in Atlanta. With little competition so far for one of what will likely be two utility infield spots on the roster, Sutton’s success as a starter should bode well for him when he gets opportunities to start in spring training. His versatility in the infield should earn him a backup role in Atlanta fairly easily if he shows some hitting ability in Orlando.

    At this point in the off-season I see Sutton as being a pretty sure thing to open the season with Atlanta. If the Braves get lucky they could find themselves a good utility infielder for the next few years, as Sutton seems to be a bit of a late bloomer. His patient approach at the plate should serve him well, and it’s definitely something the Braves could use.

  132. JAL says:

    T.S

    Unless you wrote that piece it is a violation of Federal copyright law to post an entire piece even with a link to it. Not that you are likely to get in trouble but the Trib. could.

    Clearly stated at the bottom is Copyright © 2012 Vox Media, Inc. All rights reserved.

  133. JAL says:

    That is why when i do the morning links all I post are titles and links, not content.

  134. bob hasis says:

    JAL those stats you wrote are worthy of a “Triple Yoi”, with all thanks to Myron

  135. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Don’t look now but Tim Alderson may be back, finally. He threw 7 shutout innings for Altoona today, giving up only 2 hits, no walks and 3 K’s. His ERA there is 1.93 and he’s 3-1. Maybe a late bloomer like Sutton.

  136. T.S. says:

    Thanks, JAL.

    Apologies to DK if that’s indeed the case.

  137. RobertoForever says:

    JAL

    Great info, as always. It is amazing that the Buccos won 1 game with 45 strikeouts. But more amazing that they almost won two! Lost today by only 1 run.

    Maybe investing in pitching is the way to go in this league. Until the big markets get tired of having to compete on pitching and they lower the years of major league control to 4, or something like that.

  138. JAL says:

    T.S,

    Welcome, taught copyright in my media class so try to let others know about it. Not likely to cause trouble unless the copyright owners know of it, Some copyright owners pay more attention than others. Last year the Baltimore Ravens were sued and lost for used someones copyrighted logo in their highlight film.

    Safest route is to post large parts of someone’s work on a website.

  139. JAL says:

    that is safest route Not to post large parts of someone’s work

  140. Milo Hamilton says:

    Scott Van Slyke has hit his 1st major league homer tonight. If that doesn’t drive home the point of how long it’s been I don’t know what does.

  141. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    How do we not have Scott Van Slyke with us. If ever there was a person to reverse our losing it would be a Van Slyke.

 
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