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Final: Mets 3, Pirates 1


Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (20-23) vs. New York Mets (23-20)

Time: 12:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. New York LHP Jon Niese

  1. Josh Harrison, SS
  2. Gorkys Hernandez, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Neil Walker, 2B
  5. Casey McGehee, 1B
  6. Rod Barajas, C
  7. Yamaico Navarro, 3B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Charlie Morton, RHP


  1. tmp444 says:

    Well that’s an afternoon lineup at its finest. Yeesh. Especially with both Harrison and Barmes playing SS. ;)

  2. RobertoForever says:

    Like Neil in the 4 hole even less than I like Pedro there. Why is McGehee not batting cleanup? Isn’t that what he was brought in for?

  3. JRay3 says:

    Please bring your A game today Charlie!

  4. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Guessing Harrison is in RF again. This is definetly a sunday lineup.

  5. patrick says:

    McGehee should be cleaning up the dugout, while the attendants rotate in his place on the field! Harrison at SS is obviously a Freudian slip.

  6. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Great one, Patrick.

  7. patrick(RI) says:

    Only 6 of 9 at. or below the Mendoza line. Why worry?

  8. Chuck H. says:

    Once again, MacDonald deserved better than what he got. Should have been the winning pitcher if only someone had hit when it counted. Too damn many strikeouts for a major league team. Headed for a new, all time record for offensive strikeouts, if that’s the kind of record you want.

  9. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    WOW!! This window believes that this line-up has less power than the Amish…….OK, let’s open the window up.

    Today’s OVER / UNDER (always just for fun of course)

    Total Hits + Walks + Runs Scored by Gorkys Hernandez
    Line is 1.5

    Anyone can play!! Everyone should TRY!! What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!

    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) +200
    Steve J Smith +110
    Nate83 +100
    RobertoForever +80
    JRay3 +75
    JaxBuc +50
    Bizrow +40
    GlassHalfFull +22.5
    Officer Mancuso +20
    jeffsbar +20
    Milo Hamilton EVEN
    JohninOshkosh EVEN
    pattonbb EVEN
    cosmo -10
    JMB -20
    tmp444 -25
    bob hasis -25

    *** The window will be CLOSED this weekend. The wife and I are making another trek to PNC this weekend. We have tickets for the entire Cubs series. Hoping for a real nice and clean sweep. The window will re-open on Monday. ***

  10. JMB says:


    20 on the over. I’m hoping he gets on once, steals, and scores.

  11. Bizrow says:

    @playoffs, gotta be a negative nellie here 20 on the under

    Have fun this weekend

  12. David says:

    Morton gets a lot of ground balls so two SS does make some sense. Lineup looks awful but I can’t complain too much about giving Alvarez the day off and because of that the only improvement I can see would be Tabata to RF and Harrison to 3B.

  13. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    JMB and bizrow, thanks and good luck!!

  14. bob hasis says:

    Playoff, let me have a little taste of the OVER for 25

  15. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    bob, you got it, good luck!!

  16. pattonbb says:

    @Playoffs – I’m finally even and you throw this one at us today? Sheesh… 20 on the……*sigh*….under.

  17. JaxBuc says:

    I’ll put 10 undefined units on the over (because something has to go right today).

  18. NMR says:

    20 on the under, Playoffs.

    Enjoy the ‘burgh!

  19. RobertoForever says:


    Love getting Gorkys in on the window in his first start! That’s why your window is the most visited window of the blogs! I like the spark plug to create a little havoc against the lefty today.

    I’ll take 20 on the over. An inside the park HR works for the over.

    Don’t forget to pick up a cowbell for the Pirate games this weekend. Its sweeping the burgh ;) Lets go Bucs – sweep them Cubs for playoffs and the mrs.

  20. Jandy says:

    Playoffs, I’ll be in DaBurgh on Monday, but we’re moving my daughter from one apartment to another. No fun. But you and your better half enjoy yourselves :)

  21. radio wave says:

    I’m leary of the fact we have a starting outfielder wearing #62 in a regular season game.

  22. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    pattonbb, JaxBuc, NMR and Roberto you got it!! Good Luck!!

  23. Playoffs by 2012 says:



  24. radio wave says:

    Not a good start, already 1-0 after 1/2 inning.

  25. RobertoForever says:

    So Grilli is back with the Pirates and Locke on his way back to Indy.

    Wish Locke would have gotten an appearance last night. Instead, he gets frequent flier miles and nothing more.

  26. Jandy says:

    McGeheehee walks!

  27. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Interesting stat:

    Current Pirates Strikeout : Walk ratio — 369 : 91
    A ratio of 4 : 1

    The worst ratio ever recorded was by the 1968 Mets
    A ratio of 3.2 : 1

    The next year the Mets won the World Series…just sayin ;)

  28. AJS says:

    –Like Neil in the 4 hole even less than I like Pedro there. Why is McGehee not batting cleanup? Isn’t that what he was brought in for?–

    No. He was brought in to be insurance at 3B if Pedro bombed out and perhaps platoon at first with Jones. I don’t think they brought him in intending for him to hit clean up on a regular basis.

  29. tdb1977 says:

    If I have done my homework correctly, the 2010 Arizona Diamondbacks have the record for most strikeouts in one season with 1529. Heading into today’s game, our 2012 Pittsburgh Pirates have 368 strikeouts. In order to break that record, the Pirates need to average 10 strikeouts per game over their last 119 games.

  30. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Sad thing is that 10 K’s per game is the norm for them now.

  31. radio wave says:

    Harrison leading off?
    Why not Hernandez for today?
    I know, he can’t hit, so he’s not a table setter.

  32. radio wave says:

    For folks at work who can’t get to the game site, it’s still 1-0 Mets after three.

  33. Jandy says:

    Gorkys with two tries and nada :/

  34. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    If I remember correctly, that D-Backs team also had 4 guys with 20+ Home Runs also.

  35. tdb1977 says:


    Yes, they had 4 players with 20+ Home Runs.

    Mark Reynolds – 32
    Chris Young – 27
    Kelly Johnson – 26
    Adam LaRoche – 25
    Justin Upton – 17
    Stephen Drew – 15

  36. JHadar says:

    Arriba & NMR

    From the previous thread: light humor turned into “vast over simplification.”

    But yes, personal points of view do color perception. The written word has no inflection and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You’ve probably heard the story of the blind men and the elephant, too.

    Surely you’ve been around blogs long enough to realize that no matter how reasonable your own point of view is, especially on controversial topics, someone with another point of view will find it totally absurd, and others will jump on anything ambiguous and have you saying things that (pardon me Yogi) you never said.

  37. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    This looks a lot like 2010 Charlie Morton.

    Too many breaking balls
    Too many sinkers ending up in the air

    DK: Dead-on accurate on both points. Discussed this with Hurdle today.

  38. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Last 4-5 starts it seems Charlie is giving up a lot of fly balls. Not a good sign.

  39. radio wave says:

    Middle of fifth, Mets 3 Bucs 0.

  40. Mike A. says:

    Now that it’s 3-0, I have the rest of my afternoon free….no need to listen any further.

  41. Bizrow says:

    Well, we got Charlie in a trade well before the deadline, what can you expect? ;-)

  42. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Insert downward plane, projectable stuff, xFIP joke here………..

  43. radio wave says:

    Maybe it’s just as well it’s a no tv day.

  44. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Hang a star on that play by Hernandez

  45. RobertoForever says:

    Still 4 sets of at-bats to go for the Battlin Bucs.

    And 2 days ago, the Bucs overcame a bigger lead. But I guess rooting for them is not as fun as giving up and attacking them.

    What, no Ronnie rips when he had his typical off-balance play on a routine grounder earlier? Didn’t “see” it but I am sure my memory of 100 or so similar plays suffices.

  46. Jandy says:

    Ha! Harrison with a double :)

  47. Jandy says:

    And Gorkys wiffs again.

  48. Jandy says:

    2-2 count on Cutch

  49. pattonbb says:

    Clint Barmes has 12 hits in the month of May so far (22 games).

    That has actually raised his batting average.

  50. RobertoForever says:

    And Cutch battles back to knock in Harrison with a single to left

  51. Jandy says:

    Woah! Cutch singles. Woah! Cutch singles, Harrison scores!

  52. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow
    Jose Ascanio, Kevin Hart and Josh Harrison

    I still find it amazing that J-Hay is the only one still with the team he was traded to, and the only player to make any kind of contribution to the Pirates. This trade has to be in the top 3 STINKERS made by Neal Huntington.

  53. Jandy says:

    err make that Cutch…darn typos ;)

  54. RobertoForever says:


    Good point, Barmes with a .494 BA in May. Barajas with .292 Ba and 4 HR’s.

  55. Jandy says:

    Well, we’re not skunked anyway.

  56. Jandy says:

    3 up, 3 down. C’mon, guys, hit the ball!

  57. tmp444 says:

    With the mediocrity of the Pirates’ hitting, coupled with the excellent pitching —- I would love to know where the Pirates rank in terms of average time of games. Last night was a breeze, and now we’re in the bottom of the 7th here in an hour and 40 minutes…..

  58. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    1-2-3 on 6 pitches. WOW!! Pirates must be double parked……

  59. Jandy says:

    This is sad :(

  60. tmp444 says:

    Check that…top 8 in 1:45

  61. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    To anyone who was interested, I did just reply to NMR’s accusations about me on the previous thread. You’ll have to head back to Wakeup Call to find it.

  62. Jandy says:

    Grilli in for Morton

  63. JMB says:

    Barmes .494 in May? I’m not seeing it. He was .186 coming into today in May.

  64. JMB says:

    Speaking of May stats.

    Our pitching is “regressing to the mean.”

    17th in ERA in May / 21st in BAA

  65. Jandy says:

    I let my two cents back there as well. This hooey is getting out of hand. I don’t know what is going on, but I’d sure like it to end. This has been the best blog to read and comment on. I’m not sure what changed. Hope it returns to normal.

  66. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    BarmEs took care of the bloop, someone needs to take care of the BLAST now.

  67. pattonbb says:

    @JMB – That was my point. Coming into today’s game, he was batting .186 for this month, and that has RAISED his average for the year.

    Not sure what Roberto meant with the .494

    Although Cutch is batting .394 for the month.

  68. twentytwo22 says:



  69. JMB says:

    I’m right back in it!

    Way to go Gorkys –now he just needs to score.

  70. tmp444 says:

    Gorkys gets on!!!! Double steal!!!!! ;)

  71. RobertoForever says:


    You are correct. Read wrong line there. Barmes @ 210 in may.

  72. tmp444 says:

    Gorkys to second!!!

  73. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    McCutchen (Atlas) has the entire game on his shoulders

  74. RobertoForever says:

    Need a little CLUTCh magic

  75. TJA says:

    i just jumped on-line a few moments ago. someone…anyone…please, please, please do something…anything about the hitting or lack of hitting, i should say… this is just plain screwy now.

  76. JMB says:


    Another 20 down the tubes…

  77. Jandy says:

    why is there always 2 outs when the Bucs finally get someone on base????

  78. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Grrrrrrrrr. That sucks. Hate to say it, but I think that’s the ball game. Damn.

  79. tmp444 says:

    And Clutch, I mean Cutch, strikes out to end the inning. UGH.

  80. Jandy says:

    Brad Lincoln in for Grilli

  81. Jandy says:

    Playoffs, I think you’re right. And they wonder why some of us get pessimistic…sheesh!

  82. TJA says:

    some days it is just so hard being a pirates fan. i love our bucs and baseball, but, man it is painful some days…

  83. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Barring some 9th inning magic this is going to be another tough loss. Makes 4 losses out of the last 6 games.

    I know I’m beating a dead horse here, but how can someone like Matt Hague stay down in AAA, while the parade of McGehee, Jones, McLouth, Navarro, and Hernandez occupy 1B and RF and hit well below the Mendoza line.

    Could it really hurt that much to give him 2 weeks to see exactly what he has?

    Or is it the fact that Jones at 2+ million, McGehee at 2+ million and McLouth at almost 2 million will stay and play no matter what?

  84. tmp444 says:

    Wild Thing Francisco!! Still got a chance here, if they bat smart and take some pitches. But, if last night is any indication…….

  85. Jandy says:

    Playoffs, Lucky for one has been saying that about Hague for a loooong time now. Seems the BMTIB sees it differently. But excuse me, I shouldn’t criticize, or I might get picked on ;X

  86. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Quote of the game from the Mets announcers………”Not a lot of good choices for Clint Hurdle off the bench in this situation. I don’t think they have a single guy off the bench with an On Base Percentage at 300.”

  87. JB says:

    At least they won’t strike out 10 times in this game.

  88. twentytwo22 says:

    If today’s loss doesn’t inspire change then nothing will. That was a pathetic attempt at winning a home series before an offday.

    Pirates hitters have osteoporoses. Check Neil Walker’s birth certificate, he must be 60. Jones out on 2 pitches. Barajas gets ahead in the count 2-0 down by two runs and then swings, swangs, swungs.

  89. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Bleeeeeeeech. What a brutal game today. At least it went by quickly. Gorkys got on base once and that was it. The UNDER wins. Thanks to all who played. See you on Monday.

    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) +200
    Steve J Smith +110
    Nate83 +100
    JRay3 +75
    RobertoForever +60
    Bizrow +60
    JaxBuc +40
    GlassHalfFull +22.5
    NMR +20
    Officer Mancuso +20
    jeffsbar +20
    pattonbb +20
    Milo Hamilton EVEN
    JohninOshkosh EVEN
    cosmo -10
    tmp444 -25
    JMB -40
    bob hasis -50

    *** The window will be CLOSED this weekend. The wife and I are making another trek to PNC this weekend. We have tickets for the entire Cubs series. Hoping for a real nice and clean sweep. The window will re-open on Monday. ***

  90. twentytwo22 says:

    Give up 10 runs in a 3 game home series and get 1 win. That should never happen.

  91. twentytwo22 says:

    That pitcher with the 4.85 ERA was just too tough.

  92. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    FYI, the window is 2-0 this year when in attendance.

  93. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    score please?!

  94. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


  95. JMB says:

    Well, on the bright side, we could have been swept if not for that miracle comeback on Monday night.

  96. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    To me, this lineup was not developed to win, but I understand CH has to “try” to do something to get some runs.

    I hope I never see this lineup again. Its beyond terrible. Terrible is the everday lineup they throw out there.

  97. TJA says:

    yo…front office…make some changes somewhere! your fan base is getting very, very frustrated!!!

  98. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    When have we not been that way? They don’t care. I do think their ultimate goal is to win, but by their own plan.

    One thing this FO won’t do is make emotional decisions. Kind of a good thing, but I don’t see this lineup improving anywhere. Cutch will eventually not be pitched to. I have no idea why anybody is pitching to him now as it is.

  99. tmp444 says:

    I blame the increased grumpiness of the blog on the BMTIB. Like I said a few days ago: passionate fans, mostly informed comments, and difference of opinions. And, I’m saying this only with the tip of my tongue in my cheek……

  100. TJA says:

    @ Ryan

    Forever! When the Steelers and Pens and Pitt and so on lose and people are really upset, I bring this line out: “I am used to losing…I am a Pirates fan”. You know, it’s kind of like we are a support group for each other right here on DK’s blog.

    I do agree..emotional/knee jerk decisions are not good, but still…something has to be done.

  101. twentytwo22 says:

    The Pirates post-game is leaving me parched. Hot humid day in the desert. Wells are dry. No rain in the forecast. I’m seeing people sitting on a porch. Their dirt stained faces forlorn. Hair and clothes being blown by a persistent wind. The only thing in the street are tumbleweeds making their way to nowhere. The only sounds that can be heard are of the wind and metal brushing upon metal. No end in sight.

  102. twentytwo22 says:

    Drew Sutton is batting cleanup for Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay is 26-18. He is 1-2, 1 bb, and 2 rbi today. Sutton was 2-4 with 1 run and 1 rbi yesterday. At least for two days he contributed to two victories by a team that will probably make the playoffs. The Pirates were busy going 0-2.

  103. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Have to be a support group…………nobody else understands

  104. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Free Matt Hague, Jordy Mercer, even Jeff Clement if need be. Some kind of spark is necessary. They need to at least act like they’re doing something. Even Roberto F. can’t be happy with these last 2 other than the pitching.

    Shame a guy has to defend his every word on his own blog, especially about some Twitter mess. Twitter ought to be drowned and that bird given a final resting place.

  105. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I have gotten addicted to twitter, but I don’t recall the beef that everybody is talking about. Or, I at least didn’t see it as the views of a few.

  106. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I saw it and I don’t understand it. DK told him to think for himself. Good advice to us all in whatever profession we’re in. I like Twitter for lineups, quotes, etc., but the rest is too much for me.

    I won’t defend the guy. He doesn’t need me to, but I just don’t see it.

  107. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Ok perhaps ( stolen punch line from John Wehner) I missed the whole thing. DK told who to think for himself?

    so confused right now.

  108. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy and Lucky—a little surprised to be taking arrows from you, but it’s a blog, so that’s cool. I thought NMR had a point about the twitter mess, so I supported him. It was all about the approach, not the content of the opinion about the Pirates, by DK or Tim. DK knows that if you’re going to be on twitter, what you say will be subject to criticism, deserved and undeserved. I seem to remember some reports about Mendenhall, Pouncy and Sanchez tweets that got some play, among others. And that exchange led to some other comments that I felt were a bit demeaning to readers. So I said so.

  109. T.S. says:

    Neal never wanted to keep Drew Sutton. He wants the PTBNL in the trade to Tampa to be a pitcher. Cause he likes pitchers. And needs more fodder to tell the world how good his record of acquiring pitchers is. Duh!

  110. NMR says:

    Well said, Arriba.

    DK is a big boy. He can handle it. Regardless, he explained himself. We’re left with our opinions and thats that.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled blog trolling sock puppets…

    DK: Well, actually, one point I just realized I didn’t address was what you perceived as some sort of attack by suggesting Tim “think for himself.” His stance on the May-trade thing wasn’t the result of research. It was the result of Neal Huntington saying it on the radio. Hence, my response, which I intended most literally.

  111. NMR says:

    At this point, if Huntington brings in a guy that can hit .270 he’ll look like a conquering king.

    The ‘ole lower their expectations trick. That sly fox…

  112. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Its going to be a hard sell to bring in anybody.

    He better be working the phones right now though to put together something.

    If they remain in contention come July, a deal will be done. Let’s just hope they don’t take a 10 game dive at that point.

    Honestly, I see the need for 2 everyday bats to this lineup.

  113. NMR says:


    At least to me, these games are starting to feel like mid July last year when the bottom fell out.

    There is just absolutely zero momentum with this team. I’m a believer that hitting can be contagious and right now, ‘Cutch can’t even get anyone else ignited.

  114. RobertoForever says:

    This was a disappointing series. Even guys like Walker and Jones looked weak.

    Cutch and Harrison did hit some, but not enough in key situations.

    I seem to remember Hague getting a chance earlier this season and looking way overmatched.

    I do think Hurdle has some comments today about whether they are doing anything about the offense. Very interesting comments.

    And Sutton?? Really? I seem to remember the same people calling for him as savior, RIPPING the front office for the move saying it was weak. So which is it? Also, he is a 3B/2B, and sometimes SS (with mediocre results). So who are we benching, Walker or Alvarez?

  115. RobertoForever says:

    I am disappointed in this series. I thought we could have easily won 2 of the 3 games. I fely like today’s lineup was a little like throwing in the towel, with an off-day tomorrow. Bucs had almost as many hits as the Mets, but scattered them instead of bunching them.

    Rooting for the Bucs to give Mr & Mrs playoffs some more wins to their personal appearance stats this weekend.

  116. JRay3 says:

    Good grief I just check in to see the score and I see CY Young candidate Niese goes nearly 8 innings and shuts down the Bucs offense.

    So let me get this straight Drew Sutton in two games with the Rays, both victories goes 4-8 3 RBI’s, 1 R and 1 BB, and the Pirates today go 5-31 with 1 R and 1 RBI off of a pitcher entering the game with an ERA near 5??? NH continues to outdo himself. No room on this club with as many .200 hitters we have to find a spot on the roster, but the 26-18 Rays can, so frustrating.

    To only take one game in this series just erases any momentum we thought we had and just leaves more questions to how will this team generate consistent offense. Maybe the Cubs series comes at a good time to once again try to right the ship but it seems like 2 under .500 is the threshold mark we can not break through.

  117. LuckyNKentucky says:


    No arrows, believe me. Not even a few pebbles. Like NMR said, back to regularly scheduled blog-trolling sock puppet info.

  118. JRay3 says:

    @ Roberto – not sure 9 AB’s for Hague is quite enough to make a determination like that. I remember him winning a game for us when he pinch hit for Alvarez. Just like the Spring probably wasn’t enough of an indicator to predict in season performance.

    How about benching Barmes, or move Alvarez to first and let Sutton play third if we get zero production from Jones and McGehee, if I can brainstorm some thoughts I am sure this ace management staff could come up with a few.

  119. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I remember a Cub series last season that was supposed to “right the ship” and they swept us. Contributed to the second-half collapse. Not being negative, just trying to learn from history, so it doesn’t repeat itself. Hope the Bucs do.

  120. T.S. says:

    Roberto and JRay:

    Sutton was dealt to Tampa Bay the day after he was acquired. Sutton won’t be playing 2B, 3B or SS for the Bucs anytime soon.

  121. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I hope this isn’t the start of the collapse. If so, then its going to be a very long summer.

    Hague, not enough time to examine his potential, though for the most part did look overmatched.

    About Drew Sutton. The Rays actually do have a larger need with Evan Longoria out for a substantial amount of time and that is the reason he is playing. Otherwise, he would be a bench player. The Bucs are in slumps, not injured and were sending him to AAA. The Rays would’ve done the same or not aquired him at all.

  122. RobertoForever says:


    Hague did get a big 2-out hit, but it was not a game-winner. Clutch hit the walk-off hit that game. And Hague’s hit was a bloop hit. Almost none of his PA were good. Walked none, had a 2 K game in one of his 2 starts.

    He might surprise on another recall and hit .300, but I don’t think we bench guys with much better past results in the majors then Hague had in the minors. If Hague is going to be called up, it should probably be in a situation where he is replacing McGehee 100% of the time. Which means, McGehee will probably need to be cut at that point. I don’t think we are at that point with Casey. He is struggling mightily, but not to be cut.

  123. JRay3 says:

    @ T.S. -yes I am aware that Sutton is on the Rays and find it strange that a team with a 26-18 record and division contending pedigree could find a spot on the MLB roster for him yet the Pirates with five position players batting less than .200 in late May, another four position players batting between .203 and .220 in late May could not find a spot for him.

    The fact that he spent time with both the Red Sox and Braves teams that would know talent also was a better indicator than what NH would recall.

  124. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Even though I’m a Hague advocate, he started slow at Indy, too. He’s got his average up somewhat, but he just hit his first HR the other day. We need some spark from somewhere, maybe a veteran bat, like A.J. is to the pitchers. Someone who can hit, has hit and has the right mindset to get some fire lit under these guys who are under-performing.

  125. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m with the rest of you blog trolling sock puppets.

    But I do think Roberto should name names. I think he’s just making up that the same people (not even sure there were any) who panned Sutton are now singing his praises.

  126. RobertoForever says:


    Very true. I would think there should be no more time discussing Sutton. But some folks are of the opinion that he would have been a significant impact for the Pirates. I don’t think he would have. The fact that he has had 2 games with 8 PA and a few hits, doesn’t mean in the long term he will outperfom his .260 career MLB BA. There was a reason that Boston didn’t keep him, even after he hit over .300 last year in spot duty.

  127. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Just read CH’s comments after the game.

    Good for him and I agree. Gotta let who you have in house try to bat themselves out of slumps, but sometimes slumps become reality and they just can’t hit.

    Find fresh blood!!

  128. RobertoForever says:


    There is a lot of making things up here sometimes, but I don’t believe I am making that up. When I post something that is proven in error, I am more than happy to acknowledge (See post 71 above).

  129. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I don’t make anything up………full of useless knowledge and am a google expert.

  130. T.S. says:

    The Pirates have more strikeouts than hits. I wonder if Neal will ever have the balls to get a bat. That’s my play on words for today.

  131. pattonbb says:

    I could care less what Drew Sutton is doing, or who he’s doing it for. The one part of this discussion that I don’t like is this; How does a first place team like the Rays have the ability to look at him and see immediate help? What does their scouting see that ours doesn’t? The Rays have one of the most talented farm systems in baseball. Not only did they feel compelled to acquire Sutton, but they make him a starter while they wait for their regulars to recover from injury. I guess our team is just too deep at SS. No room at the Inn?

  132. Bizrow says:

    IMO, we should lighten up here folks, we are all here for the same reasons

  133. Officer Mancuso says:

    Charlie Morton is an essential component of an imaginary Bucs banging on all cylinders team. Good to see a fine outing.

  134. bob hasis says:

    I would have sworn Nick Leyva is moonlighting as 3rd base coach for Washington. On a 1 hop single to Hunter Pence in right field, with one out, the coach waved the runner on and was DOA at the plate; a bad decision usually reserved for Leyva.

    Washington was trailing 2-0, and even though another hit followed immediately, the score is still 2-0, inning over.
    A graphic sampling how coaches lose games.

  135. bob hasis says:

    . . . . .the runner was on second. Essentially rally over

  136. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto–if you can show me how I can prove no one mocked the acquisition of Sutton and then turned around and complained they let him go, I’d be happy to look. The lack of even one example to support your claim, speaks volumes. But the real issue is we stink offensively, and a better team than us saw something we didn’t apparently. To try to shift that focus to anonymous posters just seems to miss the boat to me. And yeah, he probably will fizzle out, but he is still for two games doing better than most of our hitters. And he didn’t cost a prospect. I hope we don’t end up 80-82.

  137. Milo Hamilton says:


    I will admit to mocking the acquisition of Mr. Sutton, then in turn mocking his departure. Mainly because I enjoy mocking this front office, because they are indeed – a mockery.

  138. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Milo and AW,

    Please, don’t forget the PTBNL for Sutton. That should be very interesting, whether he goes to State College or WV. I’m surprised you guys aren’t considering that!

  139. RobertoForever says:


    Someone confessed. I rest my case.

    Milo – I have to give you credit. You have the cajones to admit that you mock just to mock. Explains a lot.

  140. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Bradenton took a 6-1 win tonight over Lakeland. 6 runs, 4 hits for the Marauders. 1 run, 9 hits for Lakeland. Cole went 5 shutout innings giving up 4 hits, 2 walks, 3 K’s. Don’t tell me there isn’t help at high A! Oops, that’s for 2014.

  141. cosmo says:

    PTBNL in Sutton trade will almost certainly be an arm. NH has no eye what so ever in judging hitters. I seem to remember when Neil Walker was brought up from AAA, and NH was saying he was going to be just a utility/role player. Good judgement there don’t you think.

  142. Milo Hamilton says:


    I mock because they make it so easy. I’ve been kind to them actually, but no more. I’m taking the gloves off.

    And by the way, I never did what you said in your earlier post that Wilver referred to. Wrong again.

  143. Milo Hamilton says:

    Spent way too much time in the sun today so to be clear – mocked Huntington’s new role as MLB Trade Facilitator. Never complained that they let him go & never stuck it to the front office for Sutton’s early success. Now if he continues to do well, they’ll never hear the end of it. And I won’t have to say a word.

    Maybe Neal can facilitate the Phillies get Kevin Youkilis. Maybe we finally found something he’s good at. Other than getting John Hart his coffee, that is.

  144. Milo Hamilton says:

    Rumor has it that Neal is working on getting the Brewers a shortstop.

  145. RobertoForever says:


    That is taking the gloves off? I am disappointed. Apparently you were in the sun too long. At least you tried. Tomorrow is another opportunity to try though.

  146. Milo Hamilton says:

    Mark Messier just guaranteed the Rangers win Game 6 in New Jersey. Stephane Matteau could not be reached for comment.

  147. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto– I know Milo has a big personality, but I think he’s still a “person” and not ” people.”. You’re resting your case prematurely.

    As for Sutton, since we haven’t been provided much info it’s still unclear if it’s a PTBNL or “cash considerations.”

    DK: It’s PTBNL.

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