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Final: Pirates 4, Royals 2


Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (29-27) vs. Kansas City Royals (24-31)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Kansas City RHP Luke Hochevar

  1. Alex Presley, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Jose Tabata, RF
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Erik Bedard, LHP


  1. nate83 says:

    Opening day line up me thinks. I actually like this batting order and would love to see Jones replaced with a bat at the trade deadline. I like how Jones has been playing but would much rather him be 4th outfielder/spot first base start or Tabata replacement if he continues to struggle.

  2. Who is playing 1st Base for the Royals: Hosmer or Butler?

    Boy, would I love the Bucs to get ahold of one of them!

  3. RobertoForever says:


    It is the exact lineup from opening day. But not the batting order, lol. Another completely new batting order, #48 out of 56. Hilarious.

    But I like the lineup. Maybe CH knew something on day one that we should have trusted he could make it work…eventually.

  4. JAL says:

    Hosmer usually at first while Butler is th DH, since no DH probably will go with Butler unless his fielding is terrible.



    CINCY 31-25
    1) SF 33-25 3 GB

    2) ATL 32-25 2.5GB




  6. JRay3 says:

    Big spot for the Pirates here to take another first game of a three game set. Riding the momentum of last night’s thrilling extra inning win, we get to face Luke Hochevar who has not pitched more than 4.2 innings in four of his last seven starts.

    A great chance for the Pirates bats to jump out quickly and maybe get to the Royals pen early in the series.

    Currently the Bucs are just 2 GB of first place Cincinnati and 2.5 GB of wild card spot. Tonight is the night to cheer for a lot of AL teams like the Tigers, Indians, Blue Jays and Rangers to help us out in making up some ground.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  7. JRay3 says:

    DARYLE! Good to see the Bay’s biggest Pirate fan!

  8. gregenstein says:

    @RobertoForever – Another completely new batting order, #48 out of 56. Hilarious.
    I don’t see what’s wrong with changing things, in fact I’d probably be more upset if this was only unique lineup #10 out of 56. That would mean he kept running guys out there that weren’t effective, which he did to an extent anyway.

  9. gregenstein says:

    @DARYLE – +5 for the post at #5. Priceless.

  10. pattonbb says:

    Never underestimate the positive power of DARYLE.

  11. nate83 says:

    Hopefully some team will have a couple of blown saves right before the trade deadline and need a closer so bad they would be willing to give up a bat. Maybe Kendrick of the Angels or Youkilis for the Red Sox.

    I wouldn’t mind a 2-6 of Walker,Cutch,Youk,Alverez,Jones. Wow that actually sounds like a team that can hit the occasional 2 or 3 run home run or string together a bunch of doubles.

  12. Milo Hamilton says:

    Contenders don’t trade their closers. Ever.

  13. DemonDachshund says:

    So tempted to drive the 45 minutes to Daytona to see Cole pitch tonight.

    Kind of hoping for another rainout though, since we’re headed to Bradenton for vacation tomorrow morning…

  14. Bill Born says:

    Butler stays at 1st.

    Francouer starts in center.

    Hossmer in right.

    Lets not look past Royals starter – Hochevar is very capable.

    Lets go Bucs’

  15. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    The window has officially caught the Bucco Fever!! The window is feeling good and ready for the weekend. Let’s open the window!! THREE count ‘em THREE separate lines for tonight’s game!!!

    Tonight’s SUPER-DUPER TRIPLE OVER / UNDER SPECTACULAR (always just for fun of course)

    ** Please specify which line and how many units, the window is a terrible psychic **

    LINE #1
    Total Pedro Alvarez Hits in TONIGHT’S Game
    Line is 1.5

    LINE #2
    Total Pirates Hits in This 3 Game Series Against Kansas City
    Line is 30.5

    LINE #3
    Total Games Won by the Pirates in This 3 Game Series Against Kansas City
    Line is 2.5

    Anyone can play!! Everyone should TRY!! What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!


    JRay3 ** 300
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 250
    Nate83 ** 190
    Slack Boss ** 185
    cosmo ** 165
    JaxBuc ** 160
    JMB ** 150
    JohninOshkosh ** 150
    DemonDachshund ** 130
    Bizrow ** 100
    pattonbb ** 100
    OZ ** 95
    RobertoForever ** 75
    bman ** 70
    Officer Mancuso ** 60
    Evan ** 58
    JD ** 50
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    Milo Hamilton ** 50
    MarkV ** 25
    NMR ** 20
    jeffsbar ** 20
    Chico ** 20
    Mlrgenuine ** 20
    GlassHalfFull ** 12.5
    likeabugonarug ** 10
    cmat0829 ** -20
    Hal Smith ** -20
    Steve J Smith ** -25
    lawnbeaver ** -25
    Stuart ** -25
    stuart66 ** -30
    Mike C. ** -40
    bob hasis ** -50
    radio wave ** -50
    manny_sanguine ** -80
    tmp444 ** -100
    Arriba Wilver ** -130
    TDB1977 ** -140

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:
    (1) 2012 Topps Roberto Clemente Card

  16. Evan says:

    3 Lines! I don’t know if I can handle it.

    But I want 70 on the over for Pedro tonight.

  17. gregenstein says:

    @Milo – That’s true, but most of them weren’t historically inept on the offensive side.

    Free Jeff Clement!

  18. LuckyNKentucky says:


    We can smell the roster move for Monday. Jordy down, JC up.

    Free JC!

  19. nate83 says:

    They may if they have other closers in waiting and a giant gaping offensive hole at first base and are not planning on signing that closer to a long term deal and are still 4-5 games out of a playoff spot at the trade deadline and the reason they are 4-5 games out is because they keep losing 3-2 instead of winning 4-3.

    I think it comes down to what you are adding versus what you are subtracting. If they have no plans on signing Hanrahan because they internally have evaluated cheaper options that are just as good why couldn’t it happen. It may be unlikely but no more then a trade for a big bat in May.

  20. jeffsbar says:


    I’ll take 55 on the under for Line 1.

    I’ll take 25 on the under for Line 2.

    I’ll take 25 on the over for Line 3.

  21. nate83 says:

    Playoffs I will take the under on all 3 for 20. This may become a fulltime job for you with these multiple lines and so many participants. Thanks again for your efforts.

  22. @Playoffs, is that your version of SkyBlast? Let’s see.

    Line #1 Under for 25 – Hope I’m wrong and he goes at least 3 for 4

    Line #2 Over for 25

    Line #3 Under for 50 – Hoping for a sweep, but I’ll settle for a series win


  23. DemonDachshund says:

    @Playoffs – 50 on each UNDER line, please.

    1 for 3 with a walk and a 2B for Pedro.

    Averaging 10 hits per game is asking a lot from this lineup.

    2 out of 3 from the Royals… Though if they can pull off tonight’s game they’ve got a good shot at the sweep.

  24. JaxBuc says:

    I’ll take the UNDER on all three lines for 25 unnamed units each. I’ll be happy to be wrong on all three, however.

  25. DemonDachshund says:

    If I’m NH, I’m making another call to the agent for Mr. Derrek Lee and asking A) what kind of shape he’s in and B) how much it would take to get him for the rest of the year. Sure, he turned down an arbitration offer, but how about similar money for 4 months of work? Take the rest of the month in Indy to get into shape, and join up with the Bucs around July 1st.

    Not saying it would be an easy thing to get done, but I expect TBMTIB to be able to do difficult things.

  26. cmat0829 says:

    1. 20 UNDER on PA tonight (wish I were wrong).
    2. 20 OVER on Pirates hits
    3. 20 OVER — Pirates get the brooms out

  27. GlassHalfFull says:

    @Mr. Offs

    Your sissy boy GHF is still crying over losing 100 of your so called “units” on the Lincoln deal on Wed. so if you don’t mind I’ll use his line of credit for this wager.
    #1-100 on the over
    #2-100 on the over
    #3-100 on the under

    Your faithful servant,

    P.S. thank you for the very nice flowers and I’ll see you next week…same time, same place..wink wink

  28. NMR says:


    Do you follow the Royals?

    You mention Hochevar…seems anytime I see his name, it’s in the same sentence as “bust”. What’s his story?

  29. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – Wow you are bringing out the weekend bonanza, have no idea how you will keep up with all this hope you have your abacus handy. Ok time to tackle this, here goes:

    Line 1- Pedro only has eight multi-hit games this year but guys coming off of the Clint Hurdle three day get-away plan do come back charged it seems. But have to play the odds with this one – 50 on the UNDER

    Line 2 – Oh this is such a good tantalizing line. Hochevar and Chen both give up more than one hit an inning, Mazarro has given up 11 H in 12 IP….as a team the Royals have given up 488 Hits in 492 IP. The last two teams to play the Royals in three game sets were the Twins who finished with 26 hits and the A’s who garnered 20 hits. The numbers speak loudly here….50 on the UNDER

    Line 3- Would love nothing more than a Pirates sweep in this series, but this season that has happened just once, the recent visit by the Cubs. I will be more than happy with another series win and two victories this weekend. 100 on the UNDER

    As always thanks for the time you put into this, and boy is it nice at least for one night sitting up at top!!!

  30. Chico says:


    I’ll take 80 on the UNDER for all three lines.

  31. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs, time to get serious here..

    Line 1 – 100 under
    Line 2 – 100 under
    Line 3 – 100 under
    Line 4 – 100 under
    Line 5 – 100 und…. oops, sorry. Getting a little carried away with this.

    100 make believe units on all three unders, kind sir.

  32. twentytwo22 says:

    I like Justin Morneau. Left-handed bat behind McCutchen. Legit cleanup hitter. and Canadians do well here: Bay, Stairs, Bedard, Mario, Sid.. lol This year 10 doubles, 10 homeruns, 31 RBI(s), .802 OPS

  33. NMR says:

    Merci, JH

    In case anyone might have an interest in the Pirates trading for a hitter, MLB Trade Rumors linked an article suggesting the Buccos might not only be the best fit, but also the most likely partner for some Carlos Quintin guy…

  34. bob hasis says:

    Playoffs, I would like UNDER on all three propositions, for 25 each. Thank you!

  35. Karen22 says:

    Re-posting from the Wake-Up Call (because I was late to that party):

    I’m a little late to the party (ANNIVERSARY…not Jandy’s biddy party!), but Happy Is-It-One-Year-Already? Anniversary to my all-time favorite sports journalist!! Baseball’s my game, but I read everything YOU write, DK. Hubby and son are now groupies, too. Your Hurdle article is primo, proving once again that actions always speak louder than words…and your words described those actions oh so eloquently!

    GO BUCS!!

    Member: Bucco Biddy Brigade

  36. RobertoForever says:


    Gotta agree with your comments on the previous blog.

    I’ll bet if you go back 14 days or so, there was alot of negative talk about Hurdle. Lotta love today. What could have been the cause, hmmmm?

    And Gregg Ritchie helped A-Mac improve this year over his 2nd half last year. And Walker has improved without special Hurdle help. And Jonesy, and Barajas and …..

    But since the column today is positive about Hurdle, then CH is getting credit for a great improvement in hitting. (Didn’t Alex Presley not improve under Hurdle, but improve while under the tutelage of the Indy hitting coach?)

    I do have to give Milo credit. Even in the midst of this offensive ‘explosion’, he loves to point out that the Pirates and all their recent scoring have improved the Pirates run scoring to ………….last place!

  37. RobertoForever says:

    For those now on the #Free Clement bandwagon, how did the #FreeHague occupy movement work out?

    Garrett Jones keeps Clement in Indy. Especially since he his hitting well for power and average since having an everyday role.

    Expect bullpen help if anything.

  38. Mike C. says:

    @playoffs – I sooo want to vote over for all 3 but playoffs you make the line line so tough~!!!

    line 1 – 20 over
    line 2 – 40 under
    line 3 – 50 under

  39. Milo Hamilton says:


    Much like the occupy movement, Hague went away & nobody noticed.

  40. Bizrow says:

    @Playoffs, you are the best

    Line 1 20 OVAH
    Line 2, 40 UNDAH

    Line 3, what the hell, 50 OVAH, goin for the sweep

    Will be back, gotta go see if we have any more lunatic signups

  41. JD says:

    Playoffs – either Roberto’s optimism is contagious, or it’s the three beers I’ve had so far, but either way I’ll go 50 on the over fir all 3 lines.

  42. Bizrow says:

    Now with line #3, you can see why Vegas sends me offers for free rooms

  43. DemonDachshund says:

    I strongly disagree that the role of Garrett Jones has changed in the least. He is a platoon player and has been all year. The recent increase in his playing time has come from the Bucs facing a ton of RHP.

    Just looked at the box scores for the last 15 games, and every single RHP starter (11), he’s started against. Every single LHP (4), he’s sat against. In the last 10, there’s only been one lefty.

    He has not been given an every day role. He’s still a platooner.

  44. radio wave says:

    At playoffs:
    I’ll take 70 over on line 3.

  45. JRay3 says:

    @ DemonDachsund – great point and nice research!

  46. Milo Hamilton says:

    The way Clement is swinging the bat, they’d be making a mistake if they didn’t at least consider him as DH next week. I’m a firm believer that hot streaks can continue after a promotion. No matter what the level. Look at Presley last year.

  47. RobertoForever says:


    Clint’s decision (which was stated tio the media) wasn’t 15 games ago. Also, how many RHP did he sit against before your research.

    Picking a random period unrelated to the topic doesn’t prove anything. Make the comparison before and after the “event” (McLouth’s DFA) and then it will have meaning to the topic at hand.

  48. Bizrow says:

    Ok, according the code I got from the Navajo Indians, I think we had a Lexington KY signing, so that makes us 197 locations strong.

    CMon lunatics, don’t be shy, 200 locations is vewy, vewy close


    Dejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
    Arizona – Tucson, Chandler, Phoenix
    Arkansas – Rogers
    Austrailia – Mackay
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles, Newport Beach, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Yuba City
    Canada – Toronto
    China – Singapore
    Colorado – Ft Collins, Estes Park, Denver
    Connecticut – Cos Cob, Bridgeport, Wallingford
    Costa Rica
    Czech Republic
    Delaware – Newark
    District of Columbia
    Florida – Palm Harbor, Orlando, Valrico, Gainesville, Daytona Beach, Oviedo, Tampa, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Palm Beach Gardens, Cape Coral, Coco Beach (Major Nelson and Mary Ann)
    Georgia – Marietta, Atlanta, Sandy Springs
    Germany – Leverkusen/Cologne
    Hawaii – Honolulu
    Idaho – Mountain Home, Coer d’Aline
    Indiana – Indianapolis, Burns Harbor, South Bend
    Iowa – Bettendorf, Humboldt
    Illinois – La Salle, Peru, Payson, Chicago, Palatine (3 inmates there), Lincoln Park, Grayslake, Lincoln Park, Algonquin
    Japan – Tokyo
    Kentucky – Louisville, Bowling Green, Lexington
    Louisiana – Slidell
    Maine – Bangor
    Maryland – Arnold, Odenton, Severn, Baltimore, Waldorf
    Massachusetts – Boston
    Michigan – Kalamazoo, Eaton Rapids, Lansing
    Mississippi – Biloxi
    Mountain Home AFB*
    Nebraska – Omaha
    New Hampshire – Barrington
    New Jersey – Chesterfield, Princeton, Roxbury, Lebanon, Lincoln Park, Berkeley Heights, Somerville
    New York – New York, Smithtown, Manhattan
    North Carolina – Asheville, Hickory, Charlotte, Raleigh, Charleston, Wilmington, Chapel Hill
    North Dakota
    Ohio – Cincinnati, Columbiana, Westerville, Green, Hilliard, Toledo, Louisville, Columbus, Perrysburg, Pickerington, Youngstown, Cleveland, Olmsted Township, Liberty Township, Warren
    Pennsylvania – Downtown, Hopewell, Indiana, North Wales, Franklin Park, Forest Hills, Lansdale, Philadelphia, Du Bois, Reading, Crafton, Arnold, Wexford, Mt Lebanon, Canonsburg, Lancaster, Huntington, York, Boiling Springs, Philly suburbs, Morningside, Harrisburg, Lawrenceville, Bradfordwoods, Norristown, Hanover, Clearfield, Sewickley, DuBois, Plum Boro, Slippery Rock, Wilks-Barre, Sharpsville, Bessemer, Greensburg, Washington, Imperial, South Side, Duncansville, Newville, Sheppton, Grove City, Butler, Allentown, Ross Township, Blairsville, Flood City (Johnstown), Overbrook, Danny’s Hoagies, Baldwin, Economy, Sharpsville, Erie, North Huntington, Bellfonte
    The Phillipines
    Rhode Island
    South Carolina – Duncan, Longs, Columbia
    South Korea – Seoul, Mike
    Tennessee – Smithville, Nashville
    Texas – Tyler, San Antonio, Belton
    Vermont – North Bennington
    Virginia – JAL, Hampton, Rescue, Richmond, Front Royal, Woodbridge, Suffolk, Warrenton, Springfield, Virginia Beach, Fairfax, Arlington
    Washington – Seattle, Nine Mile Falls, Spokane, Sammamish
    West Virginia – Martinsburg, Morgantown
    Wisconsin – Madison, Oshkosh, Hortonville

    197 locations represented in the blog,
    10 countries
    37 states, plus the District of Columbia
    Two planets, at least confirmed
    6/8/2012 5:58 PM

  49. RobertoForever says:


    I’m like the guy at the blackjack table spouting a theory, who then is a little queasy when a high roller walks up and starts playing the table max on my theories, lol.

    Good luck, JD, I am rooting for the over on all three, just for you.

    But, in spite of my optimism, my virtual wallet and pride keeps me from going whole-hog on the overs.

    So I will take:
    #1 Pedro 1.5 – 20 on the over. Time for the breakout to ratchet it up a notch.
    #2 Bucs 30.5 hits – 60 on the under. Offense is greatly improved, but the middle SP looks tough.
    #3 Bucs sweep – 80 on the under. While I cheer (and expect in the 1st) for the Bucs to win every game, sweeping any club is hard. But I will be glad to sacrifice the 80 fake units for a sweep and an even better winning streak.

    Great lines as always – Love the work you put into it, @Playoffs. #LetsGoBucs

  50. Bizrow says:


    Lighten up, the statement about Legend was straightforward and nonoffensive


  51. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    If it wasn’t for the accounting firm of Glass, Half & Full the window would royally mess the math up this weekend. Thank goodness for a competent CFO.

    @Evan, you got it and good luck!!

    @jeffsbar, you got it and good luck!!

    @nate, thank you as always for the kind words, you got it and good luck!!

    @Steve, yes the window likes your idea, the window has Donnie Iris playing in the background so it is oficially BLAST time, as for the lines, you got it and good luck!!

    @Demon, you got it and good luck!!

    @JaxBuc, you got it and good luck!!

    @cmat, you got it and good luck!!

    @GlassHalfFull, you tell Bertha to relax, and to stop barking up this tree, Mrs. Playoffs isn’t one to tangle with, as for the lines, the window will be more than happy to granish your wages so no marker needed, you got it and good luck!!

    @JRay, the window appoints you as leader of the podcast roundtable, love the analysis and research, as for the lines, you got it and good luck!!

    @Chico, you got it and good luck!!

    @pattonbb, hey big spender, you got it and good luck!!

    @bob, you got it and good luck!!

    @Mike C, the lines are tough but fair, and fair but honest, honest but fun, the window could go on and on, as for the lines, you got it and good luck!!

    @bizrow, the window like the “get the brooms” attitude, you got it and good luck!!

    @JD, drink are always comped at the window, you got it and good luck!!

    @radio wave, you got it and good luck!!

    @Roberto, thanks as always for the kind words, the window loves the whole “blackjack high roller” analogy, and the analysis, you got it and good luck!!

  52. LuckyNKentucky says:


    For someone who prides himself on the positive spin, you sure are negative about the Hague. Did he stiff you for an autograph or something? Clement could DH next week or spell somebody. Would be nice to “catch lightning in a bottle” like Lloyd Mac used to say.

  53. JMB says:


    LINE #1 –100 on the under

    Total Pedro Alvarez Hits in TONIGHT’S Game
    Line is 1.5




  54. JRay3 says:

    @ Roberto – I guess the first “true” test of whether or not Jones is an everyday player will come Sunday when the Pirates face LHP Bruce Chen, if he starts in RF or 1B in that contest than maybe I will buy his “everyday” role.

  55. Bizrow says:

    @JMB, oh yea of little faith ;-)

    No new signups? Time for a road trip to Manitoba…..

  56. JohninOshkosh says:


    1. Line 1: 50 on the over
    2. Line 2: 50 on the under
    3. Line 3: 100 on the under

    My mature, well articulated, thought provoking point for tonight’s game:

    Luke Hochevar stinks.

  57. JMB says:


    I gotta pick my spots!

  58. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – I agree with your post at #47…hopefully by Tuesday they recall Clement and let him go six straight days in the DH role and see what he can do. We can option Mercer who has just collected dust since his recall and has been used to dangle in front of Barmes.

  59. Bizrow says:

    JMB I understand, totally ;-)

    Can’ wait for a like button, or somesuch

  60. Milo Hamilton says:


    Line 1 – 25 under
    Line 2 – 25 over

    Thanks Mr. Playoffs.

  61. JohninOshkosh says:

    Oh and DARYLE!!!!!!

  62. RobertoForever says:


    I guess it depends on how you define everyday. 6 of 7? 9 of 10?

    And I go back to my point about RHP’s with Jones. I recall he was sitting on the pine for righties sometimes as well before. Playing against EVERY righty is a significant increase in his pt. Not at home to do my own research, but something would tell me that even if CH signed an affadavit stating it was true, some would find a random stat to disagree.

  63. Bizrow says:

    I’m thinking the “window” is thinking, WTH did I get myself into?

    We gotta rally, one blogger can’t do all of this

    And stay married/employed/sane?

    Suggestions anyone?

    I have one, Playoff makes the call, we take turns to keep track?

    IF the window needs or wants it

    My turn, bizrow is over a million Units…..

    A lot of Borass and Slick Frankie in me…….

  64. Arriba Wilver says:


    #1. 25 on the Over

    #2. 50 on the Under

    #3. 60 on the Under

  65. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m going to say this one more time. Garrett Jones is playing because he’s hitting. The lineup makes itself.

  66. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @JMB, you got it and good luck!!

    @John, short concise analysis, nice, you got it and good luck!!

    @Arriba, you got it and good luck!!

  67. DemonDachshund says:

    @RF – When was the statement made by Hurdle? After Nate’s DFA, or at some other point? Need that point of reference for before/after.

    @JRay3 – I could see Jones just getting a day off vs Chen as well. However, 3 of the games in a row against LHP starting Sunday, so if Jones gets 2+ starts then I’d agree his role has changed.

  68. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Thank you for the shout out. The window appreciates it. Maybe the TRIB will like the feature so much they want it full time, and the window gets a lil’ piece of the print action……

    Does the TRIB have a handicapper?
    Do they need one?

    nudge, nudge ;)

  69. Mlrgenuine says:

    Playoff….. Here is tonight’s wager

    Line#1 – 50 on the over
    Line #2 – 50 on the under
    Line#3 – 100 on the OVER

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  70. RobertoForever says:


    Yes, when Nate was DFA’ed

  71. LikeaBugonaRug says:

    Playoffs – Please mark me down for the following:

    Line 1 – 20 on the under – 1 for 3 and a walk;

    Line 2 – 20 on the under – don’t think we’ll avg. 11 hits a game in the series;

    Line 3 – 30 on the under – we take 2, but KC has been a good road team.

    And of the 3, I would love to lose on line 3!

    Thanks for all your hard work!

  72. RobertoForever says:


    Love the Hit Collector. But if he wants to win a spot, he needs to be a little more like Matt Adams.

  73. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @Mlr, you got it and good luck!!

    @likeabug, Hey no problem, thanks, you got it and good luck!!

  74. RobertoForever says:


    Methinks you read who typed something and infer more than what is there.

  75. Milo Hamilton says:


    I think you missed me. Post #61.

  76. Edgar West says:

    Playoffs by 2112, Please put me down for

    #1 100 on the Over
    #2 100 on the Under
    #3 100 on the Under

  77. manny _sanguine says:


    Line#1 20 on the under
    Line #2 20 on the under
    Line#3 20 on the under

    A fool and his fake units are soon parted.

  78. Milo Hamilton says:

    Mark Appel is starting for Stanford tonight at Florida St.. His opponent ? Freshman lefty Brandon Leibrandt, son of Charlie. The game is on ESPN 2.

  79. DemonDachshund says:

    @RF – First off, I caught a mistake in that GJ did not start 5/25 against the Cubs. So Jones has sat out vs. the 2 LHP faced since 5/25, and has started against 8 of 9 RHP they have faced.

    For the record, Jones has started 35 times this year according to’s stats. Assuming none of those came against a LHP (he has 9 ABs vs. LHP all season) he started 27 out of 31 chances against RHP pre-DFA, and is 8 for 9 post-DFA. That’s roughly 87% starts vs. 89% starts. Small sample sizes, not statistically significant difference.

    Still looks like a platooner to me. Hurdle can prove me wrong in that 3 game stretch next week, but till I see some evidence otherwise…

  80. pattonbb says:

    Jones stays hot.

  81. bob hasis says:

    Milo, my very first opinion of Mark Appel is, uh maybe. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(to be continued).

    I like Brad Lincoln better.

  82. DemonDachshund says:

    And the argument is pretty much moot when you drive the ball like that.

  83. Milo Hamilton says:

    Bobby Bragan once said, “If I score 1 run every inning, you need 10 to beat me.”

  84. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @Milo, the window says “my bad” , you got it and good luck!!

    @manny, the window likes the quote, you got it and good luck!!

  85. bob hasis says:

    Milo, second opinion on Appel, he has a frumpy physique and a disjointed delivery. He uses a lot of arm and very little body when he throws, which makes him a candidate for arm/shoulder problems eventually.

    Dennis Miller (my hero) always says, “that’s just my opinion; I could be wrong”

  86. Milo Hamilton says:


    Seconded on Dennis Miller. There are a lot of elbows & kneecaps coming at you from Appel. I like that he’s not afraid of the bat. He has to take a final after the game. They’re going to let him shower first. How left coast of them.

  87. pattonbb says:

    Wow, love watching Barajas try to run. Nice job Hot Rod!

  88. Dave G says:

    LOL @ Barajas as he scores!!!

  89. bob hasis says:

    There was just another UNBRILLIANT decision by Leyva, and just listen to Blass and Brownie try and justify it

  90. Boise Bucco says:

    What is this, bizarro Pirates!? Bottom of the lineup comin’ through!!

  91. Milo Hamilton says:

    Barajas looked like Captain Sully dropping that plane in the Hudson.

  92. Officer Mancuso says:

    Spotting Bedard a 2 run lead? I’m loving this! C’mon Eric, bring your “A” game. That man can pitch.

  93. Officer Mancuso says:

    @BoiseBucco re #91, this is not really happening, we’re suffering a mass hallucination. The real score is Royals 3, Pirates 0, and the first 9 Pirates were out trying to bunt. Now back to bizarro world…..

  94. JRay3 says:

    Always nice to get home turn on the game and see a three run lead in the third…said earlier this match-up versus Hochevar was ripe for the picking and it seems we are taking advantage of a starter struggling.

    Keep firing zeroes Bedard!

  95. pattonbb says:

    walks can kill

  96. DemonDachshund says:

    There’s the walk and 2B I was talking about…

    Now I just need the 0 for 2, somehow.

  97. JAL says:

    Keep walking hitters and they will eventually score

  98. JRay3 says:

    Well at least Pedro turns a debacle into something positive, how many times does Tabata get caught sleeping on the bases?

  99. Dave G says:

    Good job, Pedro!

  100. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is some of the worst defense I’ve ever seen.

  101. Boise Bucco says:

    Alright, 1st and 3rd with the bizarro heart of the order up!

  102. JRay3 says:

    The move (fake to third, look to first) is getting banned next year but let’s make sure it gets us one last time for old times sake.

  103. Boise Bucco says:

    If someone could, please sum up for me how we got a run out of:

    P. Alvarez caught stealing, J. Tabata out at second

    I’m getting updates thru Yahoo sports, and they’re not very descriptive…

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    Glad to see Joggin’ Joe Tabata still runs the bases like a champ.

  105. LikeaBugonaRug says:

    MLB hosed, too. Alvarez scored, Tabata caught stealing.

  106. Milo Hamilton says:


    Tabata got caught on the fake to third – throw to 1st move. While the Royals were taking somewhere between 70 & 80 throws to get Tabata out, Pedro scored.

  107. Boise Bucco says:

    …can’t wait to watch that replay when I get home. Did they just not notice Pedro breaking for home?

  108. bob hasis says:

    JRay3@99, I would agree with your question about Tabata on the bases. There is a lot of blame for a fiasco like that, and just what words of wisdom did those “suspect” base runners get from our astute coaches?

  109. twentytwo22 says:

    Butler is a DH. When he got the ball and started running toward second Alvarez took off.

  110. Milo Hamilton says:

    You can make a case that we should have no runs if not for making sure Billy Butler was in the lineup.

  111. bob hasis says:

    Mark Appell is getting baptized and lit up

  112. matmoksik says:

    Appel has given up 6 runs in the 4th – still no outs.

  113. Milo Hamilton says:

    Appel getting torched in Tallahassee, 6 runs in 3+ innings.I think he just walked Bobby Bowden. He’s obviously worried about that test.

  114. DemonDachshund says:

    So in the last 2 nights…

    – Jose Tabata hustled and made a heads up running play.
    – Clint Barmes and Mike McKenry got back to back doubles off someone who hadn’t given up a hit in his last 8 2/3 IP.
    – Rod Barajas did a jig around home plate to avoid a tag.
    – Pedro Alvarez hustled and made a heads up running play.

    Mayans were right, no question.

  115. bobhawaii says:

    Appel looks AW-FUL

  116. Got to say there is a GREAT crowd at the game tonight.

  117. Mike C. says:

    yup agree, bizarro game indeed.
    Cutch hasn’t touched base yet but we’re up 4-2 in the 5th.
    interesting game to put it mildly

  118. DemonDachshund says:

    Tigers make it 4-3 on a 2 run single by Cabrera, still 2 on 0 out.

  119. Mike C. says:

    just saw replay of great play by Pedro.
    other than his hitting, with his great arm, i wouldn’t mind at all him staying at 3rd and not move to 1st.

    lol at the hole in his pants haha

  120. Milo Hamilton says:

    Garrett Jones takes mercy on Mike Moustakis, and runs to the bag instead.

  121. JRay3 says:

    Smart play by Jones to get the sure out, and than an unbelievable pick by Jones at first, there have been a few of those the past few games from the first baseman on skipped throws from the right side of the infield.

  122. JRay3 says:

    @ Steve – The Camera shots from the top of PNC look great…nice to see the fans out in groves rallying behind the team.

  123. Dave G says:

    Tabata limping again after thrown out stealing…

  124. Officer Mancuso says:

    Go Bedard!

  125. twentytwo22 says:

    Pitcher has an ERA of 6.5 and we’re clowning on the basepaths all night long.

  126. JRay3 says:

    @ Twentytwo22 – very appropriate statement.

    If this nagging leg thing is going to continue to linger with Tabata and gets any worse some may get their wish of seeing Marte.

  127. Officer Mancuso says:

    Humbero Quintero is a figment of Vladimir Nabokov’s imagination

  128. JRay3 says:

    What is Jones doing there? Thank goodness Bedard was paying attention…details!

  129. JRay3 says:

    Full Applause to you Eric Bedard, great effort tonight! Bullpen just get us the final six outs!

  130. twentytwo22 says:

    Cheerleading for Bedard 7 innings yay good job

  131. @JRay, yeah. Nice change from the empty seats of Cincy. I know PNC can be the same, but they are supporting them when they should. This team shows that when the fans come out, they play well.

  132. JAL says:

    Very nice outing by Bedard, Pirates should have a couple more runs.

  133. JRay3 says:

    Have to admit, one nice job of scouting done by the Pirates was finding Grilli stuck in the Phillies organization in AAA trying to work his way back to the show. I know Clint having some familiarity with him helped. But 29 other teams still missed on this one. He has been nothing short of lock down for us.

  134. JRay3 says:

    And on the out of town front…the Tigers have come back to tie the Reds at 4 and the Indians lead the Cards 3-0. This could end up being a very profitable night.

  135. JAL says:

    Grilli has been unreal so far this season.

  136. twentytwo22 says:

    OK WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE CROWD? 2 run lead 8th inning, 2 strikes, 2outs, and they are sitting there disinterested.

  137. DemonDachshund says:

    Tigers tied with the Reds after 6.5, 4-4.

  138. Dave G says:

    Seeing Al Oliver made me smile. Great memories…

  139. DemonDachshund says:

    Pedro coming up with what is likely an AB for all the units…

  140. Eric Bowser says:

    sitting hear with game on, no sound since I’m getting a new security system installed at the moment. I heard there are a lot of Pirates in town, can’t be too careful. LOL

    Bought tickets for my son and I to hear over to the yard on Sunday, he’s excited.

    really glad to see the team winning again in front of a big crowd.

    Now would Root Sports please leave the camera on the field and not some gimmick or promotion. Let’s act like this is professional baseball.

    Go Bucs!

  141. DemonDachshund says:

    UNDER looking very good right now. As is my psychic pregame prediction.

  142. JRay3 says:

    @ Eric – Enjoy the game with your son on Sunday, his excitement makes it all the better…AJ on the mound should be a great day at the park, and you might get to pack your broom!

  143. Dave G says:

    Go Bucs… and Go Tigers!!!!!!

  144. Raise the Jolly Roger!!! Come on Tigers and Indians!

  145. pattonbb says:

    …fear the Bones…

  146. JRay3 says:

    Behind seven strong innings from Erik Bedard, and a 10 hit offensive effort the Bucs take game one of the three game set over the Royals 4-2 and there was noooooooooo doubt about it!

    The win improves the Pirates to a season high three games over the .500 mark. Tomorrow the Pirates will have a chance to win their fifth consecutive series.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  147. Mike C. says:

    Hammer Time!

    Raise IT!

  148. twentytwo22 says:

    3 over baby. McDonald & Burnett up next. Bedard 7 big innings to rest the bp. Cruz closes tomorrow.

  149. DemonDachshund says:

    Solo shot for the Tigers, up 5-4 in top 8th.

  150. twentytwo22 says:

    Jeff Brantley burst into tears.

    just kidding

  151. Milo Hamilton says:

    Very pedestrian win. My heart couldn’t take another one like last night.

  152. JRay3 says:

    Tigers take a 5-4 lead, Indians stretch their lead to 4-0….I will take the trifecta!

  153. twentytwo22 says:

    That 4 run 8th on Wednesday burnt Chapman yesterday and maybe the Reds again tonight. Tied in 8th at home you usually use your 8th inning guy (Marshall) and then your closer in the 9th (Chapman). Reds couldn’t and Arredondo served up a HR.
    Great job Pirates.

  154. twentytwo22 says:

    Jim Leyland took out a multibatter lefty with a 2.36 ERA and a WHIP below 1 to bring in a rookie making his major league debut with tying run at second and 1 out. Just for righty-righty matchup… 5-5 now.

  155. Dave G says:

    With two outs, Reds’ Ryan Ludwick strikes out swinging at three low, inside breaking balls. Extra innings in Cincy, tied 5-5…

  156. Dave G says:

    OMG… we’re scoreboard watching again!!!!

  157. Dave G says:

    Ugh… Cairo leads off the bottom of the tenth with a triple for the Reds…

  158. pattonbb says:

    stinking Reds….

  159. Dave G says:

    Reds win, 6-5

  160. JRay3 says:

    @ Dave G – what a feeling, huh? One bit of good news- the tribe finish off the Cards and we are now alone in second….and Verlander goes tomorrow versus Reds.

  161. twentytwo22 says:

    The Mariners’ celebration of the combined no-hitter was funny. They didn’t know who to jump on so they all just came together near the mound.

  162. twentytwo22 says:

    The catcher ran to the mound and picked up the pitcher. The pitcher looked at him like ‘Bro, I just got 3 outs’. Then a general milling about happiness for 20 seconds and it was over.

  163. twentytwo22 says:

    Because a combined no-hitter is apparently lame unless it’s a walk-off win, I hereby decree an official protocol for celebrating a combined no-hitter – You jump on the player responsible for the last out.
    1. Strikeout – Pitcher
    2. Airout – Player who caught it
    3. Groundout – Player who threw it last

    This should make the next one more fun for the participants and given the unpredictable nature of the kyboshee it will probably be the funnest of all.

    You’re Welcome Baseball,


  164. twentytwo22 says:

    More scenarios
    Unassisted Putout – That player
    Run-Down – Player who made the tag
    Throw Offline Tag
    a) Routine – Player who made the throw
    b) Not Routine – Player who made the tag

  165. Eric Bowser says:

    I just saw that Boston is expected DFA outfielder Marlon Byrd, I’m going on record that the Pirates should pick him up for free if they are able to do it. They can send Jordy Mercer back down to AAA so he can continue to get at-bats and I’d like to see a veteran hitter in the fold as RH hitter if Tabata doesn’t get out of this rut.

    It seems Startling Marte won’t be up any time soon as the team wants a good month or two with driving the ball, better zone judgement, and adjusting to the corner outfield.

  166. Drew71 says:

    Good morning.

    I can’t believe the first thing I did when I got up this morning was look at the standings.

    Well ok. The second thing.

  167. JohninOshkosh says:

    It’s a good thought about Byrd, Eric, but he simply has not been productive since the beaning. I’m sure it would not cost much and sending Mercer down is no big deal. Also, might send a message to Tabata while at the same time possibly provide a mentor type for the club. Byrd always has played the game right, but I wouldn’t expect much in terms of helping the club offensively.

  168. RobertoForever says:

    Pirates one game out of the second wild card spot, two games out of first. 13-3 in last 16.

    Yet no highlights on the mothership. The producers, who i am sure are sox yanks fans, must hate that the Bucs are winning with their rejected pitchers, lol

  169. RobertoForever says:

    *10-3 in last 13

  170. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Free Marlon Byrd!

    BTW our Free Jeff Clement campaign took a turn for the worse. He was 0-7 last night in their 13-inning win for Indy. Still .306 BA.

  171. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    The window is just a little late with the updated totals from last night. Here you go. Pedro Alvarez failed to cover and the UNDER wins. Thanks to everyone who played. See you again in a few hours.

    JRay3 ** 350
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 250
    JMB ** 250
    Nate83 ** 210
    pattonbb ** 200
    Slack Boss ** 185
    JaxBuc ** 185
    DemonDachshund ** 180
    cosmo ** 165
    JohninOshkosh ** 100
    Chico ** 100
    OZ ** 95
    Bizrow ** 80
    Milo Hamilton ** 75
    jeffsbar ** 75
    bman ** 70
    Officer Mancuso ** 60
    RobertoForever ** 55
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    likeabugonarug ** 30
    MarkV ** 25
    NMR ** 20
    JD ** EVEN
    cmat0829 ** EVEN
    Steve J Smith ** EVEN
    Evan ** -12
    Hal Smith ** -20
    lawnbeaver ** -25
    Stuart ** -25
    bob hasis ** -25
    Mlrgenuine ** -30
    stuart66 ** -30
    radio wave ** -50
    Mike C. ** -60
    manny_sanguine ** -60
    GlassHalfFull ** -87.5
    tmp444 ** -100
    TDB1977 ** -140
    Arriba Wilver ** -155

  172. bob hasis says:

    I wouldn’t be so quick to presume Mercer won’t get other chances. Remember Barmes still has a weak arm (recall the throw to first in the last inning against Cincy the other night after he and The Fort doubled against Chapman), his batting average had been flirting with the Mendoza Jr. level (.100) until recently (he still is only at .194, so I doubt he is clearly the answer yet.

    But I always had a good opinion of Marlon Byrd, and Matt Clements remains on the radar screen for another bat in case Tabata relapses. Overall with the great improvement of Walker and Barajas and addition of Presley, this team should NOT be tampered with – tweaked is OK – because we are well-improved.

    I now expect to win each game we play, not just be competitive

  173. Drew71 says:

    i ALWAYS expect them to win every game they play.

    I just don’t expect it.

  174. bob hasis says:

    An accurate play on words – I agree

  175. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Matt is Jeff and Bob’s your uncle. No, wait, you’re Bob. Just kidding. Matt was the pitcher from the Pgh. area.

  176. bob hasis says:

    Thanks Lucky – my mistake. Matt is the current baseball coach at Butler High School, one of
    the largest in the entire state.

    But you got my drift, and that is all that matters

  177. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Not being corrective, just joking with you. We all knew who you meant. Didn’t know that about Matt, myself, though.

  178. bob hasis says:

    Lucky, more bad info. Matt Clements is no longer the coach at Butler High School. I guess I have lost track of him

  179. Milo Hamilton says:


    Matt Clement is still the basketball coach at Butler. He was also helping out coach Todd Erdos with the baseball team this spring.

  180. Officer Mancuso says:

    Tough crowd. I kick back with an adult beverage and come in search of today’s over/under. Instead I find Drew’s post 174 and Lucky’s #176 and conclude that I should immediately become a teetotaling vegan.

  181. Officer Mancuso says:

    Drew, what demented search led to the discovery of that link?! Save the cattle, make mitts from vegetables!

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