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On location: Tigers 3, Pirates 2

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (38-32) vs. Detroit Tigers (34-37)

Time: 1:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Detroit RHP Justin Verlander

  1. Alex Presley, LF
  2. Josh Harrison, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Casey McGehee, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Garrett Jones, RF
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Michael McKenry, C
  9. Kevin Correia, RHP

Quick pic from the pregame, Jason Grilli signing for kids …


  1. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    Better watch it, everyone. If the Pirates beat Verlander and sweep the Tigers, our friend Roberto is going to be REALLY, REALLY ANGRY with all of you for reasons only he can grasp.

  2. Dave says:

    What are we trying to give Verlander a lineup that he could possibly throw another no hitter against? Barmes batting 7th…yuck

  3. DemonDachshund says:

    I call Barmes a bum, and he starts hitting, at least a little.

    I say Lincoln had no business starting yesterday, and he takes a no-no into the 6th.

    So… This lineup is a joke, a guaranteed loss, and the Bucs might as well not show up today.

  4. bob hasis says:

    Let’s just observe how JHay and Barmes compare today.

    Can’t imagine why Neil isn’t playing, he’s only in a 5-game slump and Barmes is in a 70-game slump. The wizardry of Hurdle is at work again.

  5. Baywatch says:

    Hasis, for what Hurdle has to work with, and for us to be six games over .500, yeah, I’d call it wizardry.

  6. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bob–while I totally get the criticism of the you-know-who poster, I find the criticism of Hurdle mind boggling. Ask yourself this question—based on the talent he has, has Hurdle overachieved, underachieved or done what would be expected? I don’t think, personally, that there is any doubt about the answer to that question.

  7. Drew71 says:

    Nice of Dejan to stop by on a Sunday. Fashion Mall must be closed.

    Demon’s onto something. Or on something. Depending on the outcome of the game.

    Was that nitpicking? Maybe it’s something else, since we’ve already established that EYE’m the idiot.

    Bob, i DIDN’T make it to church today, what with the ceiling at my feet, so those voices EYE hear are coming from inside my head. They’re doing schtick.

  8. JAL says:


    No, not trying to give Verlander a no hitter–Harrison is playing–he had the only hit the last time Verlander pitched against the Bucs :)

  9. Drew71 says:

    So we’ve agreed that THIS is Hurdle.

    And also the guy who’s gonna fix the hole in my ceiling.

  10. Bizrow says:

    Have to take Demon and family to the airport today to go back to that Florida place. Of course, we’re going to stop for lunch and we have to make sure its someplace where we can watch the game.

    Just proof, even 19 years of losing can’t erase the infection of being a diehard PBC fan.

    Or maybe its in the genes? (would post an emotiocon here, but, thought better of it)

    Or maybe dancing behind the Cobra sign in 79 does it to you?

  11. bob hasis says:

    @Arriba, @Baywatch

    It is a tongue in cheek comment, more intended as a pun. I praised his call of a squeeze the other day, it just didn’t work because JHay missed the ball, I praise him for his handling of the pitching rarely criticizing (in my mind) when he pulls someone, in fact I’m probably more in your camp.

    I guess my biggest doubt of him is the every day line-up which often baffles me. You are right, with what he has to work with he is something of a wizard, but I’m sure we all have had questions about a particular or TENDENCY of his. His stubbornness to avoid using Mercer requires explanation, his unwillingness to commit to Presley the way he has Barmes, his handling of Jones, McGehee, Tabata, Hague (in some combination) can raise an eyebrow.

    But having said that, we are 6 games above .500 and driving, so I’ll go along with much of his stuff – not all.

    My remark today is centered on the fact he takes out of the line-up a very good left-handed bat (Walker’s best side) and leaves in either Barmes or JHay whichever side of that street you are on.

  12. Drew71 says:

    You’re darn RIGHT you thought better of it.

    Every time I see one of those little suckers I want to get up and go to the window. Open it, and stick my head out, and yell, ‘I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!’

    Every time.

    Or maybe that’s our friend. You know who. After a win.

  13. Bizrow says:

    Old dogs can learn new tricks (emoticon not added….)

  14. JohninOshkosh says:


    Funny, not in a ha ha way, that plumbing problems always arise on the weekend or in the middle of the night. Plumbers always have their standard weekday rate (you know M-F between 11:00 am and 2:00 PM) and their emergency rates (all other times).

    I’m guessing the 71 in your moniker today refers to the plumber’s weekend hourly rate.

    In a show of solidarity with your pain, no emoticons today from me.

  15. Bizrow says:

    So with CHurdle, that brings up the question, how much of an influence does a manager have on the won-lost record?

  16. Drew71 says:

    i’m proud of you

  17. Drew71 says:

    you too, John, re the proud thingee. By the way, double it. Then add $6. Including drive time.

  18. pghboyinca says:

    Love the fact that this team is 6 games over and baseball games mean something. Hoping Karstens comes back and picks up where he left off last year, would really solidify the rotation. I didn’t notice anyone else comment on what Ihtought was a boneheaded move by Hurdle yesterday. Up 4-1 bottom of 8th first two batters reach base with Tabata at the #2 slot coming up. Earlier in the game with runners and 1st and 2nd the Tigers were forced to pitch to Amac and a 3 run dinger ensues. CH has Tabata sacrifice giving them an out and basically forcing them to walk Amac and then McGhee and Walker strike out…..???? WTF kind of strategy is that? WE TAKE THE BAT OUT OF AMAC’s HANDS? The hottest hitter in all of baseball? It isn’t like he is followed by Josh Hamilton or Matt Kemp. And we were up 4-1 we weren’t down by 2 and moving the tying run into scoring posiiton. We gave them an out and took away our best hitter…….He may be a good motivator but Hurdle does not qualify as a Mensa candidate by any stretch of the imagination.

  19. Thundercrack says:

    I get everyone’s frustration with Barmes at the plate. I share it.

    But it doesn’t seem that anyone takes into consideration that Clint values defense at the SS position. And like a lot of managers he prefers veterans. So Barmes’ glove is what is keeping him in the lineup.

  20. JohninOshkosh says:


    Ouch. That’s getting close to what the Trib pays Dejan.

  21. Bizrow says:

    I gotta say it, that and 10.5 million reasons keeps him in the lineup

    We were at the game last night, and I heard playoff was in a very giving mood, re the OVAH, UNDER

    In honor of swearing off those smiley faces today, I’m taking a blind leap at 50 units on UNDAH

    Demon is gonna pass

  22. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree with you, TC. But it was also instructive on the last thread that Barmes is bottom 5 in defensive statistics for SS’s. That being said, I think the Pirates have more confidence in Barmes D than Cedeno’s, which does mean something.

  23. Mike C. says:

    imo Barmes defense isn’t what all the hype was cracked up to be when we first signed him.
    barely above average at best at one of the most important defensive positions on the field

    Clint seems to be a great motivator but very much in the old school manager mold, with all the plus and negatives that all brings
    can’t really picture Clint studying over fangraphs numbers b4 games

  24. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bob—appreciate the response, and I don’t put much stock in Sunday lineups. Must be from watching Leyland. :-)

  25. bob hasis says:

    @pghboyinca #18

    Terrific observation, but not one of those club house reporters asked him that (ostensibly they aren’t allowed that privilege), but his strategy DOES require an explanation I think.

    It is this sort of managerial decision-making that makes me “slightly” suspicious of him!

  26. DemonDachshund says:

    @Thundercrack – See JRay3’s post from yesterday… While fielding stats are hard to quantify, Barmes is doing quite poorly in both fielding percentage and range factor.

    The question is more, at least for me, why does Hurdle think he’s a strong defender?

  27. crkkid says:

    Maybe Hurdle is just giving Walker a much needed days rest.

  28. Drew71 says:

    Yes John. Which is why he’s upgraded his wardrobe.

    Except when he’s on TV.

  29. Bizrow says:

    Did I read somewhere that Dejan won 37.50 in Vegas?

  30. Dave says:


    What’s with a lot of the tweets that I’m seeing that Karstens might start today? Does that mean we found a buyer for Correia if Karstens starts?

  31. Better Days Coming says:

    bob hasis,

    re: Walker

    Today is a scheduled day off for him. Nothing more, nothing less.

  32. Bizrow says:

    By the way, if you haven’t posted where you currently reside, please do so and sign into the Lunatic Nation

  33. Arriba Wilver says:

    Mike C—as an admitted unabashed Clint supporter, let me say that I believe Clint knows and pays attention to all those numbers, but he is, as you say, an old style manager, and goes with his gut. I find that refreshing and Leyland, Tanner, Murtaugh-like. But don’t mistake that for not knowing the numbers. All you have to do is listen to all his pre and post game comments. He KNOWS the numbers.

  34. Mike C. says:

    well Clint is doing something right, but he does deserves the criticism he gets.
    but how many managers currently employed aren’t stuck in the old ways other than TB’s Madden and a few others?

    put it this way, would you rather have Hurdle or Leyland? or better yet, some old dude working for Colorado right now?

  35. JRay3 says:

    Tough task in front of the Bucs today, however, the possibility of a third sweep this season and if they do manage to beat Verlander watch out. So wanted to ask the opinion of who would you rather see removed from the rotation when Karstens rejoins the rotation, Lincoln or Correia? My vote is for Correia.

    Headed to the Cubs/Dbacks game today so I guess I can scout Soriano and LaHair, two players rumored as potential open market bats. Have to catch the DVR later but may need to take a peek at the comments first to gauge how worthwhile that would be.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  36. bob hasis says:


    Is that scheduled day off built into his contract? I don’t get it. We have a chance to sweep the freakin series and against an all-star pitcher, a chance to move into first and your #2 player has a “scheduled day off”.
    How does that Hurdle Kool-Aid taste anyway?

  37. SlackBoss says:

    @JRay – I agree- Lincoln has more potential and has been a better overall pitcher than Correia. It will be interesting to see if they move Correia to the bullpen, how he does inlong relief. I think they are trying to rade him now, before he goes to the Penand potentially loses more value as a trade piece.

  38. JohninOshkosh says:

    @Mike C

    …or that animatronic currently working as the bench coach for the Os.

    Does anyone here doubt at all that he would have been waddling out to the mound the other night to give McDonald the hook the other night in the ninth?

  39. JAL says:

    I take the contrary position on Tabbys bunt in 8th. Two very different situations–in the 4th Cutch was up with 2 on no outs–no way you bunt him. In the 8th you are up 4-1 with your 2-3-4 hitters up. You don’t need runs but another run or two would be nice. Tabby could hit a DP or advanced the runners with a grounder or deep fly. If he bunts the runners up and they walk Cutch, which is what happened, you still your 4th hitter up and should be able to get the run home. If Tabby had hit a DP then everyone would be saying–he should have bunted. It was a reasonable decision that didn’t work.

  40. Mike C. says:

    @Arriba Wilver
    gotta admit I ended up being a fan of Hurdle myself. He just has that charisma about him.
    He sorta reminds me of Cowher, but with a lot less of the stubbornness and more ability/willingness to adjust.
    and we could do a lot lot worse than Hurdle. I’d take Hurdle over half the current managers out there.

    But I could also just say if Hurdle DOES know the numbers but ends up following his “gut”, who’s more guilty?
    at least guys like Leyland and Charlie Manuel are too old to even KNOW the numbers, so at least their only fault is their senile ignorance.

  41. Better Days Coming says:

    bob hasis,

    Kool-Aid? Not sure what that implies. Whatever.

    I’ll assume you watch a lot of baseball so you understand that it’s a long season and rarely does a player play the full 162. I was simply passing along that today was that day for Walker. One can always find a reason that it’s not a good day to sit someone but these guys need a break now and then. It’s just part of the game.

  42. Thundercrack says:

    Barmes’ defense is the best of any player on OUR roster that can play shortstop for the Pirates

  43. Chico says:

    Where is playoffs?

  44. Drew71 says:

    Don’t confuse our minds with facts. Thunder.

  45. Boise Bucco says:

    Yesterday, I saw Tabata bunt the runners over in front of McCutchen, and then Cutch got IBB’d to load the bases for McGehee and Walker.

    Judging from the comments here, I’d say that most people don’t agree with the bunt, but I gotta say that I’m a big fan. Yesterday, it didn’t work out–McGehee struck out on a GREAT at-bat (10 pitches, and he was pretty visibily ticked when he swung and missed for the 3rd strike) and I believe Walker struck out looking, but I still think it was the right move. Any chance you can get your #’s 4-5 batters a chance at bases-loaded, you gotta take it. McGehee is a career .326 hitter with bases loaded, and Walker is sitting at .500(!)

    And it’s not like the pitcher at the time (Dotel) is a slouch either; he’s been in situations like this his entire career. You don’t get a career as long as his by not getting bases-loaded K’s. We saw how effective he can be first hand.

    I wasn’t even that mad at the failed suicide-squeeze either, except for the fact that Harrison straight-up missed the bunt. Watching the replay, it looked like he was trying to get the bunt up the first-base side, and just missed it. Inexcusable, but the “ah, shit” look on Walker’s face as he got tagged kinda made up for it. A little bit.

  46. Drew71 says:

    Maybe it’s a day off for Playoffs too.

    Freaking Hurdle.

  47. Thundercrack says:

    EYE am sorry Drew.


  48. Drew71 says:

    Don’t think I don’t know what you just did there. Thunder.

    And EYE’m EYE. Give it back.

  49. Better Days Coming says:

    June 24th, 2012 – 12:44 pm Maybe it’s a day off for Playoffs too.

    Freaking Hurdle.

    Thanks for the giggle. That made me laugh.

  50. Naje says:

    @bob hasis…

    There are 162 games a season. Rare is the player that starts more than 150 of them. Very rare. There are many, many factors that go into building a lineup. Every player gets a scheduled day off at least once a month. Just give the lineup bashing a rest. Hurdle’s 38-32 with this cast of talent…I think his lineups work pretty well.

  51. Arriba Wilver says:

    Mike C–I hear what you are saying. What I wasn’t clear on, at least from my viewpoint, is that I think Clint knows, and also takes into consideration, the numbers. I’m not saying his gut overrules the numbers in all instances, just that when he makes his “gut” decision, he’s taking into account the numbers. In other words, if the numbers say one thing, and his gut says another, I think he takes into consideration how strong those numbers are. Not like some politicians, who ignore the facts and just go with their gut, or some other managers, who just go with the numbers (e.g., Tracy).

  52. Drew71 says:

    i think we need Hurdle to pass around a few more days off. Line up everyone.

  53. bob hasis says:


    Hurdle is not a bad guy or a bad manager – he just sometimes makes wrong decisions. His cryptic answers at post-game pressers often don’t answer anything. His manner of explanation is ‘this is the only way -my way’, my take on that is I’m giving Neil the day off come hell or high water, irrespective of anything else.
    Who determined that today was the day? What factors prevailed?

    Do you believe we need Walker in there? Do you believe Walker doesn’t want to be in there? Why not give Cutch his “maintenance day”? It’s ludicrous to weaken your lineup on a critical day as this. And our lineup does not need any super-imposed weakening; we have plenty built in naturally!

  54. Naje says:


    Teams and coaches try to avoid putting that much extra emphasis on one of 162 games. As much as you don’t want to believe it, the coaches do this work and it’s quite a lot of input from all the coaches. And just because it doesn’t satisfy your need to know why, guys do indeed get days off scheduled all the time. Hurdle said today in his pre-game conference that Walker has played more than any player on the team and he’s getting a scheduled day off.

    And Hurdle says nothing cryptic in his interviews… he’s very direct in answering his questions.

    Managers manage. Coaches coach. Players play. And managers set the lineup with a lot of input from the coaches and the players, too.

  55. Better Days Coming says:

    bob hasis,

    Of course not all of his decisions work out. That’s the nature of the position.

    Yes, of course they’re better with Walker in the lineup. That’s not at issue.

    If I had to surmise, and I obviously don’t have any more info that what I read, given the early Saturday start time combined with the normal 7:05 start tomorrow in Philadelphia it basically gives Walker 48 hours off.

    As for others on the roster, I’m sure they’ll all get their days as needed. “Critical day”? What makes this game more critical than the Sunday game against the Royals two weeks ago? Or last Sunday against Cleveland? They all count as one win or one loss. Divisional games, yes, I understand not resting in those. But this is just another game in a long season. It’s as good a day as any.

  56. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Glad to see everyone is in a good mood today. Like Bob, I just came from church, but I was in charge. Also, yesterday I knew Lincoln would pitch a good game. Thought he’d go 7 with 2 hits. He went 6 with 2 hits, so today, I’ll say we beat Verlander because of the Tigers’ hitting slump. No breakout this day for the Tiger hitters.FWIW.

  57. Drew71 says:

    Good mood? i don’t BELIEVE in good moods.

  58. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bob–if by “cryptic” answers at press conferences, you intend to imply that Hurdle is being intentionally vague, I disagree 150%. I can’t disagree that I don’t understand some of his references, and they can at times sound like jargon, but I think that’s Clint, not an attempt to deceive. I can’t remember a manager who is more open and more explanatory than Clint. You should listen to his pre game comments with the reporters and his post game comments. it’s pretty clear what he is saying in almost all instances. And it’s more frank than I bet most managers are.

  59. pattonbb says:

    LOL…Hello again Drew Sutton…

  60. Nate83 says:

    I got to say the Barmes thing is getting old. He is batting .298 in June which every team in the league would take from their 8 hitter. Can we please stop holding his first 2 months against him. He is what his 10 year career numbers show and not what we saw the first two months. I’m glad none of you are my bosses, you would have called cutch a bum after his last 2 months of last year.

  61. Thundercrack says:

    I agree with AW regarding Hurdle. It seems to me that he says what he means, and is very open & honest. Certainly as much as a manger can be with the media.

    Does anyone remember the guy that Hurdle replaced? Comparisons would be like night and day.

    Hurdle just said in his pregame show that sitting Walker is just a ‘maintenance day’ because Walker has played the most games than anyone. Verlander has nothing to do with it and he is looking to get a ‘maintenance day’ for Cutch soon.

  62. Nate83 says:

    Look the pirates are 6 above .500 have won something like 10 out of 12 series and are currently 1 game out of first in their division with an easy schedule ahead. Can we just enjoy this and not have this daily Barmes and tabata are the worse players to ever wear pirate uniform crap.

  63. JAL says:

    moves today–Mercer to Indy, Morris up, Morton to 60 day, and oddest move, Pirates claim Drew Sutton–again

  64. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Like I said, the Tiger hittes don’t break out today. Guess Correia missed that memo.

  65. Nate83 says:

    So the devil rays gave us cash to borrow a player for something like 40 days. Awesome.

  66. Eric Bowser says:

    After that top of the first inning, I hope the post-game announcement is the trade of Kevin Correia and C grade prospect to Cubs for 1B Bryan LaHair.

  67. Eric Bowser says:

    finally, a leadoff bunt single for Presley… force Verlander to pitch from the stretch.

  68. SlackBoss says:

    @ Nate – agree on the Barmes bashathon – as for Sutton – Pirates paid Braves for him and Rays owe Bucs a PTBNL

  69. Eric Bowser says:

    Josh Harrison needs to learn to bunt, period!

  70. Better Days Coming says:

    So, Sutton, kinda sorta ends up being the PTBN that he was dealt for.

    It’s a very minor deal but the roster is better than it was yesterday IMO.

  71. Thundercrack says:

    Mercer back down to AAA.

    DK probably feels a lot better now.

  72. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Who will start next weekend…..KC or Lincoln??????

  73. Nate83 says:

    Slackboss thanks for the correction I knew money was in there somewhere. So they got two players for a relatively small amount of money. They now have mercer, sutton and D’amoud all in AAA.

  74. Nate83 says:

    It looks like sutton will join the pirate’s roster. Much better use of last guy on the bench then mercer. Mercer deserves consistent at bats at this point in his career.

  75. Eric Bowser says:

    Does anyone think Seattle would trade Ichiro?

  76. Nate83 says:

    I take back what I said Barmes is a bum. Lol

  77. Eric Bowser says:

    OMG, a Pirates catcher throws out a base stealer

  78. bob hasis says:

    Yes Eric I agree with you – but not in the game. That is of course is now two major screwups in a row

  79. Better Days Coming says:


    re: Ichiro


  80. SlackBoss says:

    no E on Barmes on that one? -one of the reason that fielding stays are pretty useless. Compare the E on David Wright for the barehand attempt to lose a no-no for Dickey to that butcher job (2 drops) on Barmes. Wright gets the E, Barmes does not. Not a Barmes bash – just an illustration of how inconsistent defensive stats are for comparison purposes.

  81. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Should we just call this game “Corriea’s last stand?”

    Only 2 runs so far, not bad….but hopefully they can get Verlander out of the game and attempt to attack the BP.

    Tough request.

  82. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Tough call on Casey. Let’s go Alvarez.

  83. twentytwo22 says:

    Verlander is throwing a lot of balls and leaving a lot of strikes out over the plate and the Pirates are not taking advantage of it. Not a good effort so far.

  84. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Strange ejection…….but oh well, but Clint than Casey……BTW, he went

  85. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


  86. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    easier said than done when its 98MPH.

    You got that type of gas, throw it in there, let em hit it.

  87. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Twins up 2-1 over the Reds. Phillips just made a nice bare-handed play. You should’ve heard the Cincy announcers slobber over his defense. We saw first hand him give us a couple games by playing dumb.

  88. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    The window would like to apologize for the VERY tardy arrival today. College buddies were in town last night, so The Window decided to “sleep this one off.” Never thought at this advanced age The Window could still sleep until 2:45pm, but it happened. The Window promises 2 lines for tomorrow. Sorry again.

  89. Nate83 says:

    Playoffs it’s ok we appreciate all you do plus it sound like your math may have been a little suspect today.

  90. Nate83 says:

    Votto just hit a 2 run home run to put reds up 3-2

  91. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks Nate.

  92. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    If that was “the end of the line” for Correia, I want to be the first to thank him for his pitching the last 1.5 years. No one expected him to be a superstar, but he was a reliable back of the rotation guy who truly cared.

  93. Nate83 says:

    Willingham just hit a 2 run home run off chapman to take 4-3 lead for twins. It looks like we did break chapman and it is a good thing we didn’t trade for willingham yet.

  94. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Twins 4 Reds 3…top of 9th. Chapman has lost his wheels since Barmes and The Fort got to him…………

  95. JAL says:

    Jones two run homer–2-2 in bottom of 7th

  96. Eric Bowser says:

    not a better time for Jones to launch that bomb, 2-run HR against Verlander in 7th.

    2-2 game. Oh yeah!!

  97. Nate83 says:

    Yahtzee!!!! Awesome!!!!

  98. Boise Bucco says:

    Holy crap they finally got to Verlander!

  99. Dave G says:

    Reds lose!

  100. Eric Bowser says:

    Resop’s walk comes around to score on Young’s single to RF, inning over with Fielder’s tagged out between 2B and 3B by Alvarez.


  101. JAL says:

    Walks kill

  102. JAL says:

    One or two inches higher and Harrison ties the game–caught above the wall.

  103. Dave G says:

    Time to break out the Kraaken!

  104. Dave G says:

    Not on this day…

  105. Boise Bucco says:

    That was a tough game for the Pirates, but as a baseball fan, I loved seeing Verlander come out for the 9th. Too bad they can’t award him the win AND the save.

  106. twentytwo22 says:

    1 Verlander was beatable and they let him off the hook.
    2.They couldn’t get Marvin Berry out.

  107. likeabugonarug says:

    You can’t win ‘em all, and it’s no shame to lose to a pitcher such as Verlander. Good pitchers know how to win even when they are beatable.

    Tough trip coming up. Bucs have not done well at Citizens Bank since it opened and have a 4 game set there. Then to St. Louis. I’ll take a 4-3 trip, or even 3-4 at the worst. And Phils have a DH today, so maybe we’ll catch them a little tired tomorrow night.

    At least Cincy lost 2 outta 3 to the Twins, with Chapman blowing another save today.

  108. Matt says:

    Does anyone know if James Loney is on the block? Maybe send KC and minor league. I know he is FA and never lived up to the hype in LA but he is lefty and lets us move Jones to right?

  109. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just got home from the game & I see that Drew Sutton is back. Doesn’t quite take the sting off that one though.

  110. Eric Bowser says:

    Youkillis and $5+ million sent to White Sox for Brent Lillibridge and Zack Stewart.

    Now folks can turn their attention to a real hitting solution for 1B or OF, with talk of Cubs 1B Anthony Rizzo coming up to the majors this week, wonder if current 1B Bryan LaHair could be acquired for a prospect or two.

  111. Bizrow says:

    Lillibridge has turned out to be an ok utility player although he’s bounced around.

    Not that I didn’t think the LaRoche trade back then was an ok one.

    Good to see an ex PBC survive

    Glad we didn’t get Youk

    We’ve picked up enough U (are) killing us guys

    Just sayin

  112. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jeff Karstens starts tomorrow in Philadelphia, Lincoln to the bullpen. Everyone else pushed back a day. Sutton should arrive tomorrow also & he’ll be put on major league roster. The roster crunch is here.

  113. Bizrow says:

    Does Morris get sent down, or is Mr Hughes a DL candidate?

  114. Milo Hamilton says:


    Maybe both. If you add Sutton & Karstens you would have to remove 2 pitchers to get back to 12 pitchers. Also, someone’s going to have to come off the 40 man to make room for the prodigal utility man.

  115. Bizrow says:


    If Morton went to 60 man, there should be one spot open on 40 man, Morris was already on it

    Forgot about Sutton though

    Hughes injury is convenient?

  116. Officer Mancuso says:

    This loss does nothing to stop my growing optimism about this team. Correia got off to a rocky start and pulled himself together like the journeyman pro he is. The bats came back and made a game of it against the very definition of an elite starter. They were a few JayHey inches (thanks JAL for that detail) from a different outcome. Stay tuned. This is getting interesting.

  117. Bizrow says:

    60 day DL, that is, hope you knew what I was thinking, not typing

    Been out of practice the past couple of days

  118. Bizrow says:

    @OM, if they can get through this next week, what 4 in Philly and 3 in StLooie?

    Well, lets talk then….

  119. Milo Hamilton says:


    I think the 40 man is full. They only put Charlie in the 60 day today to make room for Morris. You can’t use the 60 day DL unless your 40 man is completely full.

    You’re right about this week. June looked very daunting, with only 9 home games (they won 7 of them). But they’re 13-8 so far.

  120. Bizrow says:

    Milo, I’m pretty sure Morris was already on the 40 man, otherwise he would have been eligible for the Rule 5 draft, I think the Bay trade was 08?

    DK: Yeah, Morris was on the 40. Morton went 60-day for Drew Sutton.

  121. Bizrow says:

    And yes, agree, June has been a positive month

  122. LuckyNKentucky says:

    What’s wrong with Hughes? Is it the DL or CL?

  123. Officer Mancuso says:

    @Biz re 118 yep! I keep expecting a collapse that hasn’t materialized. JMac and Burnett have absolutely rocked, Bedard is no slouch, and I’ve watched Karstens long enough to have become a fan of his odd pitching skills. And the bats seem to be coming alive, as though the early season batting weakness may have been an aberration. A lot rides on yhe performance of Bedard, Karstens and the Moose.

  124. Milo Hamilton says:


    Morris couldn’t have been on the 40 man roster if the corresponding move put Morton on the 60 day DL. That would leave them with 39 on the roster & a 60 day DL move isn’t permitted in that case.

  125. Milo Hamilton says:


    From what I read since I’ve been home, it’s a physical issue with Hughes, but not his arm. He says he’ll be OK for tomorrow, but we know how the CL works.

  126. Bizrow says:

    Milo, I might be wrong but I don’t think a 60 day DL move and 40 man roster have any correlation, plus as we claimed Sutton, I think we had to have an open spot on the 40 man, now a 25 man ML roster move does not have to be made till the guy arrives with the club

    I vote for CL with Hughes, or a trade of a reliever

  127. Milo Hamilton says:

    Here’s the 40 man. The Morton move could have been made to make room for Sutton. In any event, it’s full.

  128. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Yes, we do know about the CL. Hope the kid is OK. He’s been throwing real well. Hate to see them fool with him.

  129. The Gunner says:

    Nice job today for Kevin Correia; too bad Resop messed things up for him. Resop is consistently inconsistent, maybe better suited as a “mop up man.” Maybe he is like Bubby and he don’t mop up for no one. He’ll never be anyone’s “go to” guy.

    On another note, I haven’t seen too much of Tabata the past few days. Looks like he has become a backup of sorts. There is definitely more pop in the lineup without him.

    Great weekend Bucs – now, let’s go strap it on those Philthadelphia Phillthies.

  130. Bizrow says:

    Speaking of 40 man, their Rule 5 pick will have to come on sometime and am not sure Leroux would not get picked up if waived, something has to give in the near future

    @Gunner, yes, nice recovery by Corriea

    Phillies could wake up at any time, and we are still susceptible to getting hammered on the road

  131. Boise Bucco says:

    Wow, don’t know if anyone’s watching the San Fran/Oakland game, but it’s the only game on AFN over here…Derek Norris just hit a 3-run walk-off shot with 2 outs on a 3-2 count to win it.

    At 3-1, the pitcher threw a fastball and just BARELY nicked the outside corner. I say barely, because it was about 6 inches outside but the ump had been calling it a strike all day. Norris took for the 2nd strike, and then just sat dead-red on another fastball. The announcers called it, Norris called it, I’m pretty sure the entire stadium knew a fastball was coming.

    I love baseball.

    DK: Wow. Will check highlight. Thanks!

  132. JAL says:

    Gustavo Nunez is the rule 5 pick and he had a setback in his recovery-the screws in his ankle were causing irritation an had to be removed. May be able to play late in the season or may not, time will tell.

  133. Bizrow says:

    I’m not sure if a Rule 5 pick can spend the whole year on the DL?

  134. Officer Mancuso says:

    RE #129, Resop (0-3, 3.86 ERA) is a guy who’s regularly brought in to situations that stink, with no glory possible, and isn’t always perfect. Some criticism and some appreciation, are due. I like him.

  135. JohninOshkosh says:

    The Pirates now embark on their most important road trip since leaving for Atlanta last July 25. Lets hope Jerry Meals is no where close to Philly.

    Just want them to tread water until returning to PNC. Maybe there will be a new offensive threat hitting for them by the time they return?

  136. JohninOshkosh says:

    BTW, kudos to that kid in the yellow shirt in the picture above. He has a nice 5 o’clock shadow going on there.

  137. JAL says:

    Rule 5 if is complicated. The rule states a player must be active for at least 90 days but if is active less than 90 then he must be on the active roster enough days the following season to add to 90. Say he is active 50 days the first year, must be on the active roster at least 40 days the following season. Don’t know if that works for an entire season missed but I doubt MLB and the union would force a team to carry a player who clearly was unable to play. We are nearing the 90 mark now with just over 3 months left in the season.

  138. Bizrow says:

    Thanks, JAL

    Its gonna be interesting

    NH has to earn his salary

    Not that the Rule 5 pick is that big of a deal

  139. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Watched that game live, it was a bomb!

  140. JRay3 says:

    Well getting back in from the Dbacks/Cubs game and I can make two quick observations. Soriano will be a welcome rental for some team with his bat, he went 2-4 with a R and RBI versus a pitcher nobody could hit today. Two, add the Dbacks to the list of teams contending for a WC spot with the Giants, Braves, Mets, and Cardinals. They have quietly moved two over .500.

    So did anybody hear why the decision to have Karstens pitch tomorrow in Philly and forgo final rehab start? At any rate glad to see him back in rotation. Correia keeps his spot as well for time being but it appears he bounced back after slow start today.

    Big road swing upcoming after very successful 4-2 home stand and it appears we will avoid both Hamels and Lee as they both pitched in the Phils DH today so maybe catch a break.

    DK: Karstens was REALLY good in his final rehab in Altoona. That’s all.

  141. bob hasis says:

    The Yankees lineup 1-8 is awesome

  142. JohninOshkosh says:


    It sure looks like Soriano wants to get out of Wrigleyville. He has been chatting to the press. After today’s game he told Paul Sullivan that all the losing is making him “mentally tired.” That is not the kind of stuff a perfectionist like Theo Epstein wants to hear. He would be more than a mere rental, though. He is signed through 2014. The Cubs would definitely want a team to pick up some of his humungous salary. That means he might be had for money more so than major league talent and/or prospects.

  143. Thundercrack says:

    Watching part of the Rays vs Phillies.

    The announcers mentioned that both teams had the chance to add an extra guy and play with 26 on the roster. The Phils did –added a pitcher.

    I forgot about that new rule for inter-league. The Pirates didn’t do that, correct?

    Do both teams have to do it….or can one team elect not to add an extra guy?

  144. Milo Hamilton says:


    How about the game last night ? Paul Maholm hit a 2 run homer in the top of the 4th, then gave up 7 in the bottom half and couldn’t get out of the inning.

  145. Milo Hamilton says:


    That new rule is for doubleheaders. The Pirates & Rockies added a player earlier this year.

  146. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – All I can add to that is I did tell a few Cubs fans in attendance that if it made them feel any better us Pirate fans had witnessed many similar half inning melt downs.

    @ John – forgot about Soriano contract status…would be hefty salary but if the Cubs were willing to work something similar to the AJ Burnett deal, I’d be interested.

  147. Thundercrack says:

    Thanks Milo.

    It is for doubleheaders….not inter-league.

  148. JAL says:

    Yes, Milo is correct–for doubleheaders and Pirates-Rockies did that earlier this season.

  149. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    No doubt the Cubbies will have to pick up a heafty portion of that contract. YES PLEASE!

    Stick AS in RF at PNC Park. I’ll be your huckleberry.

    I don’t think I want him through 2014 though.

  150. Playoffs by 2012 says:

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