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Wakeup Call: Trades on other side of water, too?

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

>> The Monday column bids farewell to the NHL Draft by also bidding farewell to the NHL, maybe, for a really long time.

>> Now that the Penguins are looking beyond Jordan Staal with an eye toward a breathtaking haul of Zach Parise and Ryan Suter, time to turn attention to the Pirates possibly making a trade, as well.

I raised the topic yesterday with Neal Huntington


Other stuff I picked up on the trade front while at the yard: The Pirates were interested in Kevin Youkilis, but he went to the White Sox yesterday. Their interest was never as intense as had been described in a couple national outlets. They’re still talking about Chase Headley and other hitters, and they’re not at all ruling out adding pitching. That’s because they could have to move a major-league starter to get the hitter they want.

>>The Sunday crowd of 35,179 capped the series total at 111, 878, fifth-highest for any three-date series in PNC Park history. But this comes with an asterisk in the positive sense: There was no SkyBlast, no fireworks, no bobbleheads, nothing other than plain old baseball.

Yes, there were a lot of Detroiters, but the Pirates’ fans were the overwhelming majority.

And if anyone else can recall as much optimism in a crowd as what was displayed with the opening of the ninth inning, I’m all ears. There was a genuine sense that the Pirates were actually going to KO Justin Verlander. That’s quite the leap of public faith over what it’s been around here for two decades.

Been writing it for years, usually to scoffs: If the team’s good, the place will be filled more often than not.

>> Asked Josh Harrison if he thought he hit that ball out in the eighth off Verlander, the one caught at the short fence: “Nah, not really. You just never think that when it’s to left in this park. Plus it was too high. Would’ve been nice, though. We battled out there today.”

>> I’ll be on with Tim Benz on 105.9 The X at 9:35 a.m. to discuss my Staal column Saturday.

>> I’ll also make my weekly appearance on TribLIVE Radio at noon.


  1. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    And battled today they did. That is the best pitcher in baseball.

    They had a 2 run lead and I told my wife the game was over, then Jones hits the bomb. Seriously, 2 seconds after I said that.

    I thought JH hit was gone.

    The greatest sound of the weekend, to me DK, was the crown chanting MVP for Cutch. He seriously needs to be in consideration.

    DK: Not many did that yesterday, Ryan. One section in the upper deck, no more. Not sure about the first two games because I was over covering the NHL Draft.

  2. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I heard it more on the Saturday game. But of course mine is via the TV, so maybe they had 2 dudes sitting by the microphones.

  3. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I completely agree with you on the fact that, if they start winning or in the case, continue to win, especially for how well they have been at home, people will come out and come out in force.

    Is there a baseball town that is any more desperate for a winner? And the fans are extremely passionate about the team.

    BTW, like the video with NH. I’ve been critical in the past, but I am a supporter.

    DK: Thanks, Ryan. These quick vids are mostly for you guys, of course, but I can also tell you it’s a lot nicer to just upload a clip than to type out everything someone says!

  4. JRay3 says:

    @ Ryan – I too heard the chants of MVP for Cutch on Saturday over the TV feed, just nice that he is getting more pub on the National outlets it appears. Will truly be a shame if he is not the starting CF in the All-Star game.

    I know a lot of talk will be made for the team to prove it given their collapse last season after decent start, but a better mix of veterans who have been there, coupled with this pitching corps certainly has this looking and feeling a whole lot different.

    I heard the Reds Joey Votto say in a radio interview that this Pirates team is pesky and will play you the full nine and feels they were going to have some say in the Central race….so let’s add a bat and play this out!

  5. Matty_ice7 says:

    Would be a real shame to have any part of the season missed. Should be interesting to see how teams spend with no set cap cieling or floor.

    My gut says they will miss part of camp. Which is a shame with these record salaries players are making and profit the owners are making.

    DK: Part of camp … eh, I don’t know. That seems almost a given, as players tend to love that part, anyway. Thing that gets me is, you look at the NBA’s last labor situation, and the issues were only slightly more significant than these, but they still ended up cutting off half the season. That surprised me.

  6. RobertoForever says:


    Might have been me and a few nearby at Saturdays game chanting. Made a MVP sign for the awesome CF.

    Cutch is simply amazing. I love to buy tickets on the R-CF wall. Its so jaw-dropping to watch him work up close and personal.

    And the FO signed him for what, 7 years? The future looks bright….

  7. Matty_ice7 says:

    I just get frustrated by them always waiting this long and playing chicken with each other. I feel they do this because they know the fans will always come back.

    How much of a role do you think Sid will have on the negoations? I read a TSN report that he would be very active.

    Lastly I think the tell all sign is when we see players to start signing deals overseas.

  8. RobertoForever says:


    I was honored to have you start of your game thread mentioning me. Funny, there is no anger when I post. Passion? In buckets. Frustration at mind-numbing criticism of the 8 hitter (batting .283 in June, lol)? Sure. But no anger.

    Missed seeing you in the pressbox on Wed. Visited with a friend from the Twins org. Had a great chat with Tom Singer. Talked with Gardy in the dugout pregame. He had high praise for Clint and his methods. Gardy also had a hilarious line about Maz in the Bucs dugout. He said he was fine with it, as long as if CH got tired of having Maz over there, that he could come and sit in the Twins dugout. Priceless.

    I sure enjoyed the two wins I attended Fri and Sat. Runs the Bucs record at PNC where I attended and rooted for them to 7-0. 20 game season ticket package has been just magical this year.

    Oh, and the Bucs had a giveaway all 3 days – Free Shirt Friday, Ballcap giveaway Sat, Kids braided necklace Sun.

    Wonder if your reply will be genuine or snide. I’ll sleep fine either way.

  9. Skip says:

    I’m encouraged by your comment in the chat the other day in which you praised Clint Hurdle for allowing James McDonald to throw 120 pitches in his complete-game win versus the Twins. And all this time I thought you were one of those obsessive pitch-count fanatics…

  10. Dan1283 says:

    I apologize but I have to bring this over from the Saturday thread simply so the weekday folks can see it and possibly agree or disagree with me. So to steal a page from the great Eric Bowser’s playbook:

    I have to say that I am….surprised, to say the least, at how OK everyone seems to be with trading Jordan Staal, from the cheers in the building last night (MAN was that weird to be there for that) to the comments here and elsewhere (Saturday).

    I must have underestimated the amount of good will Shero has built up with the fan base. I simply refuse to believe that this many people think Jordan Staal is this easily replaced. If there was a fantasy draft held in hockey today among all the GMs for every current NHL player, Jordan Staal would be one of the first 10 guys off the board. I truly believe that. I think Toronto would pony up 12 years $80 million TODAY if they had the chance.

    Don’t be surprised when this guy tortures our team this year.

  11. Scott says:

    I agree with you to a point, Dan. Some people are saying that “this trade made both teams better.” Let’s not kid ourselves. The Staal trade did not make the Penguins better. It made them much worse, and their chances of winning the Cup this year went down as a result.

    Now, that could change depending on what Ray Shero does with the extra cap space. If he gets Suter and Parise, the team will be much better. But let’s not pencil these guys into the lineup just yet. I have a feeling neither player is going to end up coming to Pittsburgh.

  12. pipecock says:

    Staal is not top 10 in the NHL. Period. He had opportunities here with Sid and Malkin out to prove it if he was, and he didn’t. He’s not a bad player by any means, but I feel like he will suffer a similar fate as Ryan Malone: he’ll get his money but won’t be “the man” nor will he lead his team to championships.

    People are okay with him getting traded because he shunned a reasonable offer to be here. This city doesn’t take kindly to that, and IMO its the real reason that guys like Bonds, Jagr, etc get booed here the way they do. It gets taken personally.

    Good to see the Bucs doing what they do. I attended the 20-0 loss a couple years back, and to say that crowd was nothing like some of the early crowds last year would be an understatement. And even those crowds can’t compare to some of the random weekday crowds I’ve seen already this season. This team sure seems to have learned from its mistakes last year. Hurdle is clearly the man as well.

  13. Thundercrack says:

    Brad Lincoln is back in the bullpen.

    For some, the world is back in alignment and is a better place for it.


  14. JAL says:

    JAL’s Like It This way Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)

    4 Pirates Prospects Draft Pick Signing Tracker


    5—Pirates Prospects

    Pirates Notebook: Rotation Still Has Questions; Moves on Horizon

    Indians’ Winning Streak Ends With A Shutout

    Thinking of Jameson Taillon While Evaluating Baseball America’s Top Pitching Prospect List

    Jake Stenzel vs The World

    Prospect Watch: Grossman On a Hot Streak Since Suspension

    Prospect Notebook: Changing the Fastball Academy

    First Pitch: Is Correia in the Rotation a Bluff?

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Justin Verlander Breezes Past Pirates As Tigers Win 3-2
    Signability Assessment For the Pirates’ Remaining 2012 Draft Class

    7 Rumbunter

    Pirates Smorgasbord June 24, 2012

    8 McEffect

    6/23 Recap | Pirates 4 Tigers 1

    9 The Green Weenie

    Verlander Holds Off Bucs 3-2

    10 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Justin Verlander (barely) out-duels Kevin Correia and Chris Resop

    11 WhyGavs

    Game 70: Tigers 3 Pirates 2

  15. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    12 CBS Sports

    Pirates-Phillies Game Peview

    13 Detroit Free Press

    Justin Verlander’s five-hitter, big hits by Quintin Berry, Delmon Young salvage win vs. Pirates

    14 Chicago Tribune

    Pirates Report,0,5196787.story

    15 Philadelphia Inquirer

    David Murphy: Phillies’ poor decisions go beyond the dugout

    16 Parkersburg News

    Good to see Reds, Bucs, Tribe win–Bucs–Tribe-win.html?nav=5064


    17 PBC Site

    Bucs bested by Verlander’s complete game

    Notebook: Karstens to be activated for opener in Philly

    18 Sweetspot

    Adam Wainwright talks life after TJ surgery

    19 Baseball Prospectus

    The Week In Quotes

  16. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    20 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Weekend Check Down: the Week’s Top Stories

    Colbert On the Mark With Comments About Ravens DE Terrell Suggs

    Former Steelers LB Clark Haggans Serving DUI Jail Time in Pittsburgh

    21 Steelers Depot

    - Looking At The Steelers Main Competitors For The AFC North Crown (Part 1)

    22 Nice Pick Cowher

    What Will Be Most Crucial Game This Season For Steelers?

    Pitt Blogs

    23 Pitt Blather

    24 Cardiac Hill

    Rivals Ranks Pitt’s Ray Graham #87 Player In Nation

    WVU Blogs

    25 Metro News

    Big 12 Connections: Iowa State

    26 WV Illustrated

    Hinds Excited To Play Up-Tempo Game This Season


    27 Sky Sports

    Penalty agony for England,19764,11065_3521917,00.html

    28 Daily Telegraph

    Italy beats England on penalties to reach Euro 2012 semi-finals

    29 World Soccer Daily

    10 Euro 2012 stories you need to read, 22nd June, 2012


    30 Pensburgh

    Are the Pens players for Zach Parise now?

  17. JAL says:

    Theme this week is performers who changed their sound from their early days to the days of their greatest success. Like it This Way Fleetwood Mac 1968. Fleetwood Mac had their greatest success post 1975 with a band consisting of Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Lindsey Buckingham, and Stevie Nicks. Seven years earlier they were a pure blues band consisting of Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, and Jeremy Spencer.

  18. dcpfjr says:

    Your column on the NHL’s upcoming collective bargaining says it all in the last few paragraphs. Why, when the NHL is finally gaining some traction, would either side risk a work stoppage and alienate the fans again?

  19. Jandy says:

    I think the Pens will miss Staal A LOT (I agree with Dan on that one) but there was little Shero could do. I’d say he did the best he could. Still waiting to see how this all pans out.
    Michalek back to Phoenix…I’d much rather dump Martin, but it’s still freed cap space.

    The Buccos are really making believers out of a lot of people. I’m enjoying this immensely.

  20. Milo Hamilton says:


  21. Jandy says:

    JAL, I will always like Fleetwood Mac. Saw Lindsey Buckingham in concert on Palladia. The man can still sing and play guitar.

  22. gregenstein says:

    @Dan1283 – RE: Jordan Staal
    I’m a little upset that they had to trade him, but in the end they got a pretty good return for a guy they almost assuredly would have just 1 more season. I posted once or twice that I felt they needed to keep him unless they got a nice ransom for him, and it seems good to me.

    He just might turn out to be a beast, but the fact is that beast was going to be gone after this year anyway. They got a 3rd line center replacement, and Staal certainly was no defensive genius during that Flyers series. I believe there’s an article somewhere on one of these Pittsburgh newspaper websites that says he was on ice for 10 of the 12 PP goals that Philly scored. Thankfully Phoenix was will to take Michalek back, and so his replacement also came from the Staal trade.

    All in all, the team lost a very good forward and a very bad defenseman but gained an average forward and an average defenseman plus the 8th overall pick and $6M salary cap space. I’ll take it.

  23. David says:

    Its one thing to come out on a weekend in June but my question is and will always be (until proven wrong) will the place be packed on a Wednesday in April? This team needs good attendance year round (not just the summer) in order to sustain itself. Milwaukee draws 3 million plus a year and I don’t see the Pirates doing that no matter how good the team is. From the sound of it my opinion here differs from our leader though.

  24. 21sthebest says:

    “The Sunday crowd of 35,179 capped the series total at 111, 878, fifth-highest for any three-date series in PNC Park history. But this comes with an asterisk in the positive sense: There was no SkyBlast, no fireworks, no bobbleheads, nothing other than plain old baseball.”

    Yes I thought Colin made an interesting point on the radio yesterday too!

    DK: What was it? Don’t leave us hanging!

  25. Jandy says:

    OK so, Zach and Sid are friends and played together in St. Mary’s Shattuck. Zach’s hometown is Minneapolis, MN. So who has the better edge, the Pens or the Wild?

  26. JAL says:


    Fleetwood Mac was a good band in all of their incarnations, just different styles of music.In the song I linked this morning Danny Kirwin and Peter Green play some good guitar.

  27. Arriba Wilver says:

    Now that Drew Sutton is a Pirate, what’s a true Pirate fan to do? Do we cheer him because he’s a Pirate or do we ridicule his stats with the Rays? I guess we’ll just have to wait for direction from Gardy’s pal.

    Snidely Wilver

  28. dcpinpgh says:

    It’s the government/bad boss mentality. If I don’t make changes, how are people going to know how smart/fantastic I am, and they might stop paying my salary.

  29. Milo Hamilton says:


    How’s this…

    “You people are so blinded by 19 years of losing that you continue to underestimate the brilliance of this FO. This Sutton thing was the plan all along. He was always going to arrive here in time to help us in the stretch drive, just tanking enough with Tampa that they had no choice to DFA him when they eventually got healthy. No amount of snide comments will deter this genius FO from the greatest transformation in pro sports history !”

  30. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I wondered when that name-dropping would be brought to light. Thought maybe everyone just ignored it like we should. But that “passion” is hard to ignore.

    BTW, did you go or Milo go into the Tigers’ dugout this past weekend and talk to Jimmy while he was in town?


  31. LuckyNKentucky says:

    And Milo, I missed you in the press box. (Mostly because I’ve never been there).

  32. 21sthebest says:

    “What was it? Don’t leave us hanging!”

    The Sunday crowd of 35,179 capped the series total at 111, 878, fifth-highest for any three-date series in PNC Park history. But this comes with an asterisk in the positive sense: There was no SkyBlast, no fireworks, no bobbleheads, nothing other than plain old baseball.

    DK: OK, I’m officially not understanding you at all now. What does this have to do with Colin?

  33. Jandy says:


  34. Dan1283 says:


    I don’t disagree that the Penguins got at least a reasonable return, I’m just saying I’m surprised at how quickly many fans were to say “seeya” to Staal. The kid excels at all phases of the game with the exception of being an elite goal-scorer. But then again, he never got to play with the best wingers while he was here.

    I agree that he needed to be traded. I agree that we got a decent return. And I agree that this was the right thing for all involved. I just am taken aback at how easily the fan base has accepted this – unlike any other big trade I’ve ever seen. I think there’s some serious downplaying going on of Staal’s abilities and we’ll see the stark contrasts this upcoming season…..well, if there is one.

  35. Jandy says:

    Dan, again, I agree with you 100%. Guaranteed Staal makes the Pens miserable when the Canes play us. Staal has been underappreciated.

  36. Arriba Wilver says:

    I ignore nothing, SNK. :-). Jimmy told me to avoid the dugout since we were having dinner in Mt. Lebanon Saturday after the game.

    Milo—that was scary accurate!

  37. Milo Hamilton says:


    I’m in section 320 – right next to the press box.

  38. diehard says:

    Not sure about Sutton’s “tanking” with Tampa. Not like he’s an All-Start, or even an everyday player. But he did hit .271 with a modest .314 OBP. Only 51 AB’s, but he’d still be in the top 3 in both of those categories on this team. With 16 strikeouts in 51 AB’s though, that’s ugly. Not Brian Bixler strikeout rate ugly, but ugly.

  39. Drew71 says:

    As I just told LeBron and Michael, you guys are KILLING me

  40. Jandy says:

    Drew…nah, that’s the smell from the press box…DK didn’t wear socks again (no emoticon just this once)

  41. Vette60 says:

    Couple of thoughts…

    Staal Trade – not too much more could be done there. Not happy to see him leave, but realize that the Pens didn’t have too many options. What comes out of the cap space and the deal of Z to Phoenix will really tell the full story, IMO. Yeah, the whole Parise things seems just a little too easy, doesn’t it? We’ll see what happens come July 1.

    I really hope both sides of the NHL realize the equity from a fan perspective that would be lost if there was another lockout. It would really be damaging, IMO, and push the NHL into even more of a “fringe” sport category.

    A big concern are those casual fans that may not come back once things get going again. Hockey has become an important part of the PGH sports scene, but will those TV ratings continue if the season is gone for an extended period? How about those sellouts? Possibly, since you have the two best in the world on the team, but you never know…

    Really shortsighted from both sides, and the point of “For what?” is really a good one.

    Regarding the Bucs – even from Richmond, VA I am enjoying things. I was listening via SiriusXM on Saturday when Cutch cranked his HR and also yesterday again as well. I could feel the excitement in the park when Cutch came to bat and it was great when he hit it out. Thought they had it in them to come back yesterday, but it was not be be…Verlander performed his job well. Stop a slide and get a much needed W for his team.

    Take care,
    Randy in Richmond, VA

  42. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thought I might go at least 24 hours without reading what has become my least favorite word in the English language. But there is right off the bat-“snide.” Sigh…

    Once in East Lansing, Michigan, I ordered a Big Mac right after actor/”comedian” Sinbad. Boom! There is my name dropping.

  43. Jandy says:

    OshKoshB’Gosh, hey, you get to chat with Mother Teresa on this blog, what more can you ask for????

  44. LuckyNKentucky says:


    That’s not Mike and Lebron. That’s the mold from your rotting ceiling that’s killing you.

  45. JohninOshkosh says:


    How could I have forgotten you? And Milo Hamilton for that matter. Almost got the next cast for Dancing with the Stars set.

  46. Jandy says:

    I thank the Lord for people with a good sense of humor!

  47. 21sthebest says:

    Am I high this morning or Dejan, did you say that you raised the trade possibility with NH but in the video it appears that he’s only talking about Lincoln?

    DK: Oh, sorry. I videotaped the Morris part.

  48. Drew71 says:

    Turns out I buried the lead over the weekend.

    The ceiling turning into my floor? Just an inconvenience.

    On Sunday, dropped off my oldest son at the airport.

    He’s off the payroll. Graduated from the University of Florida in May, and he flew off to start his new job in Manhattan.

    Excruciatingly painfully proud, if that makes any sense.

    So what’s a little ceiling mold?

    Epilogue: As he sat on the plane, we texted each other lines from Star Trek movies. Of course. What else?

    When he wrote “I am and always shall be your friend” (Spock, saying goodbye to Kirk, Star Trek II), I almost lost it. Again.

  49. Arriba Wilver says:

    Drew–I feel your pain/joy.

  50. LuckyNKentucky says:


    You did bury the lead. Nothing harder in a parent’s life than one leaving. Been there. Live long and proper-and to your son.

  51. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Live long and “prosper” it should say, of course. Live long enough and some will learn to type.

  52. Bizrow says:

    We’re getting old, Drew….

  53. JHadar says:

    On the Pirates unlikely to draw 3,000,000 like Milwaukee

    3,000,000/81 = 37,037 (and a repeating .037037037…)

    I guess I agree.

  54. Jandy says:

    Drew ~ ahhhh..the hurt of the heart…but the pride eases the sting. God Bless!

  55. JHadar says:

    Drew — Often the empty nest is followed after a while with all the things you hoped for while you raised them, including grandchildren, and it just gets better and better.

    Our kids are part of us, they never *really* go away.

  56. Drew71 says:

    “To explore strange new worlds…to boldly go where no man has gone before.”

    Or more remote but absolutely appropriate:

    Chekhov (as the Excelcior flies off): That’s a big ship.

    Scotty: Not so big as her captain, I think.

    Thanks folks.

    Gotta go find a Kleenex. Again.

  57. Jandy says:

    Gotta love a guy with a heart :)

  58. JHadar says:

    Took a mini-vacation last week, a couple days off for chores and a day trip up the Mississippi with some friends to go look at eagles’ nests — of course that was the series with the Twins which is our cable company’s default Fox channel, so I wound up missing all three telecasts, but at least caught a game and a half (first an third) on the radio.

    Game 3 the Twins announcers were talking about staying at the hotel where the hockey draft was going on and running into one of their rookies who told them he was “afraid” of MacDonald’s curve ball. They went on quite a while about it, wound up calling him the Cowardly Lion.

    It was a good week, cut the deficit to one game, and just a bad break from being back in the lead.

    Although I worry whenever a pitcher makes his first couple of starts after a rehab, it’ll be good to get Karstens back into the rotation. Lincoln and Correia both had good outings last time out. Lincoln’s line is better, but the Pirates are shopping Correia, so it’s probably back to the Pen for Lincoln while Correia auditions. I’d guess Slaten is most likely to be cut, but like many here I’ve been a little disappointed with Resop. The FO makes some baffling moves at times — so these are just hunches, not predictions.

    That said, my hope at the beginning of the season is that this was the transition team that would finally bring us a winning season and focus the FO on filling the holes instead of the annual starting over. But now we’re in it; we did it through the rough part of the schedule without much hitting, and there’s no reason not to look at filling the holes and making a run for it.

    Still, I have to admit that last season’s collapse was so traumatic that I worry whenever we have a two-game losing streak. Maybe the interleague bounce back will have it cured, but I’d rather not see one.

    Sorry for rambling.

  59. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    At least he went to UF! You know he’ll be ok in NYC.

    My oldest is only 13 and we have 4 boys. Being military, I don’t live ANYWHERE near my family. I keep telling my wife that they really don’t have to move out when they get older, but she’s not a fan of that idea. I do hope, that wherever I land after my military career, they are close by.

  60. Arriba Wilver says:

    “Gotta love a guy with a heart.”. Well, except Drew, he wouldn’t like that. Unless, of course, the message was delivered by Gardy. :-)

  61. Jandy says:

    AW ~ Drew will just have to accept that for the compliment that it is :p

    Ryan, 4 BOYS? Give your wife my condolences lol

  62. Black n Gold (not yellow) says:


    I can’t say that I’m a fan of Chase Headley. He strikes out a ton, which our lineup doesn’t need. If were talking Padres, a better option would be Will Venable. The guy is a left handed, established version of what Jose Tabata should be. He hits .280 for his career away from Petco (.343 OBP) with solid power numbers 37,11,23 (2B, 3B, HR) which equates to a 38.5% XBH rate compared to Tabata’s career 26.4%. Given the history of guys struggling at Petco, his numbers should improve at PNC. It would also allow Garrett jones and Casey McGehee to share first base, which is proving to be more successful as the season goes along.

    They seem to want pitching and we have a surplus in the category. Seems like a perfect fit to me.

  63. nate83 says:

    My feelings on Staal are mixed. I really liked how he played but how he played didn’t help us get far in the playoffs the last two years. To roll the dice for one more year and then be left with nothing in return for him after next year would have been foolish.

    If Shero somehow finds a way to unload Martin’s contract and they do indeed get Parise and another high profile free agent I think we should all be thankful for the work Shero was able to do during this off season. We are really fortunate to have two teams in the Steelers and Penguins that put a value on players and then show them the door if they think they are worth more (I’m not putting Staal in that catagory because I honestly believe he has good reason to want to leave). Both teams believe in their system and promote within or find replacements outside.

    I even think the an extend the Pirates are moving in this direction a little bit but the economic system in place for baseball prevents an logical thought process of putting an internal value on a player when that player knows he can get considerably more from another team and finding a replacement for the internal value is near impossible for the same reason.

  64. Thundercrack says:

    The video confused me too. I think NH was talking about Morris.

    I am not high. Some thought NH was with the way they handled Mercer and Lincoln

  65. 21sthebest says:

    Oh yeah Morris. I forgot about him and it sounded like Lincoln to me.

  66. gregenstein says:

    Perhaps. I am sure he will be missed if all Shero does is sign a few Arron Asham/Max Talbot types to fill out the forwards and just lives with 7 defensemen under contract or that are RFA’s, but I don’t think that will be the case.

  67. Milo Hamilton says:

    Kip Wells will start for San Diego tomorrow in Houston. The Padres have also had games started this season by Jeff Suppan & Ross Ohlendorf. And we complain about sending Kevin Correia & Brad Lincoln out there.

  68. Jandy says:

    Is Kip related to Orson?

  69. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Guess that’s why we’re rumored to be talking about Chase Headley to them. Good thing they have that cow pasture of an outfield.

  70. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Kip Wells?! No way……

    We must be thankful for what he have Milo

  71. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Headley’s a 3B also. I would think that he would move to 1B, but is he an upgrade to McGehee?

  72. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m glad Youklis is off the table. Not a good fit for the Bucs IMHO.

  73. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Not at all. Other than the leadership and experience he brings.

  74. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    The video was talking about Morris. I believe the “other guy in our organization” that NH was referring to was Lincoln.

  75. Arriba Wilver says:

    Ryan—I think we have plenty of that right now. It is mainly from the pitching side, but what does a guy like that bring? And we already have Barmes, what do you want? (are we allowed to talk about Barmes?) :-)

  76. JHadar says:

    Question: As mentioned above I’ve been away for a while, so if this has been answered elsewhere please give me the short version and/or point me to the source —

    Does picking up Sutton on waivers negate the original deal with Tampa Bay or do we still get the PTBNL?

  77. Bizrow says:


    No, I’m pretty sure we still get the PTBNL, won’t be much though….

  78. cosmo says:

    Blue Jays need pitching, How about Correa to Toronto for 1b Adam Lind. Just recalled today from AAA. Looks like he had gotten his stroke back while at AAA.

  79. JHadar says:


    Thanks. That’s the way I thought it should be. A deal is a deal.

  80. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Not such thing as too much experience, but I didn’t want the guy either. Has nothing left.

  81. Drew71 says:

    for ONCE i agree with Snidely.

    Cause i hope that nobody thinks that EYE have a heart

  82. JohninOshkosh says:

    I have to admit that I groaned a bit when I read that Donald Fehr had been hired by the NHLPA. I figured it meant two things. 1. The PA was tired of going into the CBA talks against the owners without zealous representation. 2. The PA wanted payback for getting the humiliating kick in the crotch they took with the owners lockout and subsequent near unilateral work conditions imposed on them by the owners. Players are competitive people and they knew they had suffered an eight goal loss. Plus, an adversarial negotiation is not truly successful unless both sides emerge from an agreement unhappy, and the owners emerged from that mess smiling from ear to ear.

    Fehr brought unfathomable enrichment to the MLBPA. Players went from mere millionaires to Kardashianesque millionaires. He leveraged PED usage, and the owners fear of PED usage becoming publicly known, into billions of dollars.

    Fehr is all about leverage. His main leverage is what Dejan touched upon. The owners know things are going well right now and the fear of losing all going well is what Fehr and the players are literally banking on.

  83. RobertoForever says:


  84. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    he’s been freed, to play in Indy.

  85. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy—See? :-)

  86. Bizrow says:


    I thought that, but then you corrected me

    But I still think it, I think

  87. Drew71 says:

    i take it back.

    he used an emoticon.

    agreement over.


  88. 21sthebest says:

    “DK: OK, I’m officially not understanding you at all now. What does this have to do with Colin?”

    Haha! Well Colin made the exact same comment as you yesterday on the radio, almost verbatim. You two must have spent too much time together!

    DK: Oh, wow. No, I didn’t hear his show anymore than I’m sure he could have heard me and Chris Adamski of the AP having a conversation about this up in the PNC press box. That’s funny, though.

  89. Arriba Wilver says:

    I HAVE to use emoticons, or else people might think/know I’m mean.

  90. Bizrow says:

    Maybe we need some negative emoticons here, like a picture of a hand with one finger up in the air?

    Just sayin…..

  91. J.D. says:

    Kovacevic is the worst writer I have ever experienced whose given me more of a reason to have bowel movements on the printouts of his articles. He hates the Penguins. Don’t be fooled. He said in one article after they lost “Don’t Come Home”, pompus nitwit. Then he blasts Shero, then praises him two days ago. Some people are not only bipolar in life, but also in writing.

    DK: Yes, I hate the Penguins. Busted.

    Not only do I hate the hockey team, but I’ve also failed to maintain a consistent stance in praising Ray Shero for every single move he’s ever made, as well my failure to praise the Penguins for their laudable showing in Game 3 in Philly. They were truly noble that day, and only my blind hatred kept me from telling it like it is.

    Apologies to all. I’ll stick to football from now on.

  92. JohninOshkosh says:

    Huh? What the …

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