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Wakeup Call: One of those 54

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Brief and to the Point …

>> Chuck Tanner used to repeat it often: In every baseball season, you’re going to win 54, and you’re going to lose 54. It’s what you do with the other 54 that makes the difference.

Well, the ugliness in Philly last night was one of those middle 54.

Big deal.

>> Brandon Sutter made a fine first impression yesterday, even if delayed.

Anyone concerned about whether or not this player is put off by being traded to the Penguins is missing the larger point: You want that player to be upset.

You want someone who was a lifelong member of a team, who was an alternate captain at age 23, to be upset, stunned, shocked and any other term Sutter might have used to describe his immediate feeling at getting that phone call from Ron Francis. (Which probably didn’t make the emotions of it any easier, given Francis’ personality.)

By all accounts, this is an exceptional young man the Penguins have acquired. Sooner rather than later, he’d have the same reaction if he were to be traded out of Pittsburgh. To anywhere.

>> Darius Kasparaitis and Gary Roberts are first-time eligible for the Hockey Hall of Fame class announced today in Toronto.

Yeah, I know. Just thought I’d throw that out.

The Hockey Hall always has been the most generous in allowing inductees, which has only served to water it down. That’s a shame. The sport deserves better.

Of the class you find in that link, the only ones I’d take are Joe Sakic and Brendan Shanahan, and even then I’d be hesitant to leap at Shanahan on the first ballot. I wouldn’t take Mats Sundin yet, nor Jeremy Roenick, but you can bet they’ll get just to fill out the number. (And because Sundin played for the Leafs.)

Seriously, you could throw out 40 percent of everyone in the Hockey Hall, and the place would only be the better for it.

>> The Steelers’ very early release of Troy Smith mostly diffuses any controversy about which three quarterbacks will emerge from Latrobe … but I can’t imagine why. It’s not as if there isn’t precedent for Charlie Batch and especially Byron Leftwich getting hurt.

Not coming close to suggesting Smith was all that. He’s bounced around for a reason. But he did start six games for the 49ers in 2010 and, if nothing else, would provide a legit No. 3 if someone else were lost.

The fourth guy now will be Jerrod Johnson, an undrafted free agent out of Texas A&M. He figures to be a practice squad guy all the way.

We’ll see if it means anything in August.


  1. Matty_ice7 says:

    I think Bure deserves to get in despite his short career. He was the best goal scorer you had to matchup.

  2. The disease, as I call him, (Darius Kasparaitis) should be considered. He had the best hip check ever. He is a defensman & should not be graded on goals or assists. He was a presence in every game that could not be denied. I can not name another defensman of his small stature that played so large. Endless minutes & endless passion. He would be in my hall of fame. There is not the same calibor of player in the game today that would sacrifice his body as much as he did.

  3. Scott says:

    Darius Kasparaitis made zero All-Star Games in his career. There’s no debate to be had on this issue.

  4. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    The Pirates game tonight………so what?! Its over and done with, still only 2 back. Every team has one like that……

    Just watched the highlights of the 1st inning again. Tabata’s throws weren’t really that bad. Both one hoppers that couldn’t be handled by 1st, a hobbled Barajas and 2, Pedro Alvarez, who had the worst of the throws.

    This Phillies series does worry me however. Let’s hope they get after it tomorrow…….or as you all read this, today.

  5. Drew71 says:

    Just one ugly game. Forgotten.

    But if they lose their third straight, we’ll start asking when the Steelers head for Latrobe.

    Because that’s what we DO

  6. JUCOFan says:

    Drew Sutton to the rescue

  7. Jandy says:

    I have to admit I have a soft spot for Kaspar. I hated him as an Islander, but when he came to the Pens, I fell in love. The man was short…5’8′ was GENEROUS as a listing…but he played twice the size of that. His heart and soul was in every game. That said, I highly doubt he makes it ever.

    Brendan just made himself a spot in my book, nice way to handle things. I believe he’s sincere. I’ll be rooting for him.

    Very off night for the Buccos last night. Poor Karstens didn’t get much help from the infield. Hopefully, the guys rebound and play well tonight.

  8. JAL says:

    JAL’s Go Now Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)

    4 Pirates Prospects Draft Pick Signing Tracker


    5—Pirates Prospects

    Pirates Notebook: Not a Good Return For Karstens

    Prospect Watch: Colton Cain With Another Good Start

    Indians Win Series With Hit-O-Rama, 10th Save For Wood

    First Pitch: Mega Pitching Prospect Day

    State College Spikes Players Notes: 6/25/12

    West Virginia Power Player Notes: 6/25/12

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Phillies Pile Up Runs In Jeff Karstens’ Return As Pirates Lose 8-3

    Minor League Roundup: Some Wild Games and a Huge Day for . . . Kelson Brown!!

    7 Rumbunter

    Talking Phillies with That Balls Outta Here

    8 McEffect

    6/25 Recap | Phillies 8 Pirates 3

    9 The Green Weenie

    Bucs Bumble Way To 8-3 Loss

    10 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Big mess in Philly

    11 WhyGavs

    Game 71: Phillies 8 Pirates 3

  9. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    12 CBS Sports

    Pirates-Phillies Game Peview

    13 Crawfordsville Journal Review

    Who will take control of the National League Central?

    14 Chicago Tribune

    Pirates Report,0,1854477.story

    15 Philadelphia Inquirer

    Phillies’ bats wake up in 8-3 win over Pittsburgh Pirates

    16 Boston Globe

    Marlon Byrd suspended 50 games for using PED


    17 PBC Site

    In return, healthy Karstens hurt by four errors

    Culture shock: Hurdle has Bucs believing

    18 Sweetspot

    Mat Latos one of NL’s most vital players

    19 Baseball Prospectus

    Jeff Clement, Mike Morse, and the Value of Making Mistakes

  10. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    20 Behind the Steel Curtain

    What Steeler Nation Can Learn From the Triumph of LeBron James

    Steelers 2011 Big Money Guys: SS Troy Polamalu Gets Contract, Alpha Dog Status

    Steelers’ 2011 Big Money Guys: LB Lawrence Timmons Asked To Do a Lot

    21 Steelers Depot

    - Training Camp Battles-Safties

    22 Nice Pick Cowher

    News All Good So Far For ‘New’ Steelers

    Pitt Blogs

    23 Pitt Blather

    The Notre Dame Domino

    24 Cardiac Hill

    Reviving Pitt-Penn State … Basketball, That Is

    WVU Blogs

    25 Metro News

    Roberts ‘Scouring The Earth’ For Corners

    26 WV Illustrated

    Could Notre Dame Join Big 12?


    27 Sky Sports

    Roy looks to the future

    28 Daily Telegraph

    Police investigate tweet attack on England duo

    29 World Soccer Daily

    10 Euro 2012 stories you need to read, 25th June, 2012


    30 Pensburgh

    Subtract Paul Martin,sign young players and Pens have $16 million for free agents

  11. JAL says:

    Go Now, Moody Blues, 1965. Although Go Now was a hit in England and the UK, lead guitarist and vocalist Denny Laine and bass player Clint Warwick left the group in 1966. The original group was an R&B band. Justin Hayward and John Lodge joined the group and the music changed on their second album, Days of Future Past, which is considered one of the first Classical/progressive rock albums.

  12. Pongo says:

    My favorite Kaspar moment was when he blew up Lindros on a Saturday afternoon at the Igloo.

    The very next night was the rematch in Philly. I can remember the speculation about whether Kaspar would even play. He was the first one out of the locker room that night, and boy, did they come after him. Pens lost in OT, but it was one of the hardest fought regular season games I can remember!

    Sadly, that was the beginning of the end of Lindros as a star player.

  13. Leefoo says:

    Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…..the Stillers released their #4 QB.

    The season is doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!!!

    BnG Foo


  14. Jonathan says:

    Would it not make sense for the Pirates to make their best trade offer right now vs. waiting until the deadline. They’ll get a whole month to evaluate if they are the real deal or, if like last year, this is all an illusion. Thus, giving themselves an “out” by dealing AJ, Correia, Hanny, or whoever to a contender for some high level prospects if they tank it in July. I wonder what Maholm could have returned to the bucs had they dealt him at his peak last summer. We’ll never know because they waited so long to make a play for Lee/Ludwick.

  15. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Any news on the Barajas injury front?

  16. Jandy says:

    Last I heard X-rays were negative, and he was day to day. Bruised bone in left knee.

  17. Yorker says:

    It takes two parties to make a deal. Sure it would make sense for the Pirates to get something done now, but at this point it is still a sellers market since so many teams still consider themselves contenders.

    NH can force this issue by drastically overpaying, but we all know that isn’t the right thing to do. I’m sure they can, or have, made a “good” offer to other teams, but what motivation do they have when they can wait and drive up the value. There are very few desirable players available right now.

    You need two to tango…

  18. NMR says:

    I think the “Pirates waited too long” line is a bit of moving the goal posts.

    We heard for so long that the Pirates trade all their decent players, yet they held onto Maholm and Doumit. We heard that they would never take on salary, yet they added upwards of $5m in-season. We heard they would never be buyers, yet they added two veteran hitters at the deadline.

    Now the complaint is they waited too long? Does anyone really think an extra two weeks of Derek Lee would’ve done anything to that epic collapse? Last I checked, neither Lee nor Ludwick could pitch.

    Last years team was just not very good. This years team is slightly better. Neither squad is nor will they be made a legit contender for the penant with an extra two weeks of any hitter on the market right now. If the Pirates ever are in a Brewers-type situation, then sure, sell the farm and go for it. Unfortunately, they aren’t even close.

    Doesn’t mean they quit trying to add. Doesn’t mean they give up. I just think that overpaying in order to add to this team is going to be a mistake in the long run.

  19. Jandy says:

    I just saw this from yesterday:

    June 26th, 2012 – 12:33 am Kovacevic is the worst writer I have ever experienced whose given me more of a reason to have bowel movements on the printouts of his articles. He hates the Penguins. Don’t be fooled. He said in one article after they lost “Don’t Come Home”, pompus nitwit. Then he blasts Shero, then praises him two days ago. Some people are not only bipolar in life, but also in writing.

    DK: Yes, I hate the Penguins. Busted.

    Not only do I hate the hockey team, but I’ve also failed to maintain a consistent stance in praising Ray Shero for every single move he’s ever made, as welt as failing to praise the Penguins for their laudable showing in Game 3 in Philly. They were truly noble that day, and only my blind hatred kept me from telling it like it is.

    Apologies to all. I’ll stick to football from now on.

    ROFL! Thanks for the laughs, JD, whoever you are. Go back to the other paper and leave your useless drivel there.

    DK, I swear, you listen to village idiots like this and I’m coming to Pittsburgh and…
    well…we’ll see ;)

  20. Jandy says:

    Oh and Arribe Wilver, you’re about as mean as *I* am… :p

  21. Drew71 says:

    Thanks for sharing, Jandaroonie.

    JD’s post reminds me of the movie Showgirls.

    Unintended humor.

    The only thing that ticked me off about the post was that JD fails to realize that EYE’m the pompous nitwit around here.

    Dejan’s just the hater.

  22. Jandy says:

    Drew, well if the VI ever comes back, he’ll KNOW who’s WHO around here….

    Jandaroonie LOL, now that’s a new spin. ;)

  23. Jandy says:

    NMR ~ your post #17, well said, as usual!

  24. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Thanks for the update on Rod. I think this J.D. is a different one than the JD that usually posts. This guy is totally different. That was a late entry–maybe because it was his first. The other JD doesn’t use periods in his name and is a good guy. This one seems to be a clown.

  25. Jandy says:

    Lucky, I’m sure you’re right. Clown? Maybe,…village idiot? Likely. lol

  26. AJS says:

    The real crappy part of the first inning to me, other than the Bad News Bears impersonation was that only one of those hits was a solid line drive. An inbetweener down the line for the double to start the game and a couple of bloops to right. I actually thought that the play that drew so much attention was started by none other than Tabata’s lack of hustle. If he RUNS to that ball he may actually have a shot at catching it, or at the very least fielding it before the runner can even think about going first to third. Instead he barely jogs in, stops once he realizes he can’t get there and fields the ball on a very long hop allowing the runner to head for third.

    And once the ball is thrown to third, which was cleanly fielded by Alvarez, I don’t understand how they allowed the runner to move to second. The first baseman has some responsibility to trail the runner.

    A total breakdown start to finish on that play. Remove that sequence from teh game and it was actually a pretty close contest. I can’t put too much blame on Karstens at all really.

    Get a good outing from Bedard tonight and let AJ and JMac do their thing and take 3 of 4 here is still very possible.

  27. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Just his first line, referring to excrement, makes me lean toward the village idiot moniker, also.

  28. Jandy says:

    Lucky, heck yeah, even alluding to toiletries was classless. lol

  29. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Not to beat it into the ground, but I checked the game thread and the real JD was on there with his fake wager. This guy is the evil J.D. Good argument for not using just initials as your name on a blog. Could get mixed up with the VI or even worse, someone would think you were snide or a Gardy lover.

  30. Drew71 says:

    Well then. I suppose I won’t tell you where I am when I write most of my posts.

  31. Drew71 says:

    And EYE’m the Evil D.R.E.W.

  32. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I think we know, Drew.

  33. Jandy says:

    Drew, we DON’T want to know! ;X

  34. Jandy says:

    How many boxes of tissues did you go through the last few days, EVIL D.R.E.W???

  35. John Lease says:

    Of course, everyone could use their actual name on blogs. Probably cut down on the woofing and chest thumping to no end.

    John Lease

  36. Drew71 says:

    i DO use my real name.

    So what’s my excuse for my woofing, chest pumping (which has nothing to do with my earlier reference to Showgirls) and my general evildom.

    Oh yeah. Forgot. There’s my nitwit thing. That explains it.

  37. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Well said, John, from someone who uses his own name. That IS your name, right? (Jim Carrey-Dumb and Dumber)

  38. LuckyNKentucky says:


    You’re far from evil, man. You couldn’t be mean if you tried. Live long and properly, as Groat had fun saying.

  39. Jandy says:

    My name is a mix of mine and my better half’s. So, I guess I’m really messed up!

  40. LuckyNKentucky says:


    That’s the way God intended it. You and your hubby are one. At least your name doesn’t come from a redneck t-shirt.

  41. NMR says:

    I don’t use my full name out of fear that someone I know will stumble upon the blog and find out the amount of time I spend talking about emoticon procedure and striped apes.

  42. LuckyNKentucky says:


    We are allowed 2 fifteen-minute breaks here and we get an hour of unpaid lunch, which I never use all of, so I don’t feel like I’m stealin’ time reading some posts and writing some, especially when they’re funny enough to LOL like your last one. Besides, it’s good for moral and health to laugh, right?

  43. Pants-n-at says:

    Tabata was pathetic last night. There is no way that ball in the 1st inning should’ve dropped in front of him. If he makes the catch, the throw to the plate is earlier and perhaps we get 2 outs on the play….inning over. That set the tone for the night. Errors are going to happen, but there is no excuse for failing to hustle. Pick it up dude!

  44. Jandy says:

    Striped-ass apes! lol

  45. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    What’s with the EYE usage?

  46. Jandy says:

    Pssst…Ryan, Drew sees CLEARLY lol. He’s also very literate. Unlike some VI’s on here.

  47. Jandy says:

    I missed the first inning last night, but I did see reviews. Had Cutch or even Marte been there, that ball likely was caught. I don’t bash Tabata, but man, that wasn’t cool. Karsten’s first game back from rehab and that first inning was a killer. He pitched a decent game. He’ll be better the next. Give him some fielding help guys!

  48. Matt Bokovitz says:



    How much longer does Pirate Nation have to wait to see Starling “Five Tool” Marte in the everyday starting outfield? If we need a corner outfielder, why trade for a retread when we have a “Thourghbred” in our stable already. What is the delay about?

  49. JohninOshkosh says:


    I caught the J.D. (not JD) post shortly after it went up Dejan quickly responded and then even amended his response to further address that spew.

    It just proves that Dejan truly does not censor or edit content relating (even marginally) to the blog. I knew that already because my own drivel makes it through…

  50. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Gotcha………wondered where he was going with that.

  51. Jandy says:

    OshKoshB’Gosh, listen man, I happen to LIKE your drivel lol.
    Keep it coming.
    I had to leave the blog before 3 and didn’t get on to check things out last night. hubby is keeping me much too busy with his sub-contracting business AFTER I’m done with my own job. So, when I looked to see what I missed yesterday, I laughed at Drew’s EYE catching stuff, and just had to share the JD crap (pun intended).

  52. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Your posts aren’t drivel. There is drivel on here at times, but yours is not. I believe we all have the good sense to know the difference. If not, we can ask Gardy.

  53. Jandy says:

    Drew can see with his EYE what is drivel. Nuff said!

  54. The Gunner says:

    @ Pants-n-at – 43

    To build on what you said in your post, I hear the talk shows have been talking negatively about Tabata, his lack of hustle and his poor attitude. There has been mention that he and Ronny Cedeno were tight last year and apparently, management thought Cedeno was a bad influence on Tabata. Clint Hurdle was not a fan of Cedeno & from what I have observed, now Tabata is not in Clint’s good graces. Since Tabata got his long term contract last year, he has pretty much shut things down. What happened to your smiling face, Jose?? Your facial expression these days (as well as your performance on the field) looks like a man who is experiencing severe kidney stones.

  55. JAL says:

    Miss something and have no idea what is going on, JD? no idea what that is about.

    As for names, most should know mine as I linked to articles I wrote several times. makes no difference to me

  56. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Ask Gardy…..still going on about that?

    Did I miss something with Roberto?

  57. Bizrow says:

    Sounds like relatively good news on Barajas.

    So we’ll see what move is made today to activate Sutton

    PBC trade wise, I don’t really see where we have the chips to make a jaw dropping acqusition

    We’ll see though

  58. buggee says:

    Jandy, #19, now that was dayummed funneh. It’s night about time someone exposed DK’s obvious bias against the Pens. Fire Ray Shero. Shave Tanger’s head (and you’ll see that it does indeed come to a point). Way to knock it out of the park, DK.

    What was that gaseous emission coming out of the root-sports broadcast of the Pirates’ game last night? Pirates’ infielders farting all over their gloves? That would explain the stinky mess otherwise known as “fielding” Karstens deserved better. And watching Barmes at bat is painful. 1-2 count, pitch after pitch well outside the zone and he just slaps at it, then after several silly slaps he pops weakly to short. All I gotta say anomo about dat is “BLECH”.

    Bone bruise is nuttin to sneeze at, I don’t care where it is. (Because I’m an idiot) I break concrete patio stones using various body parts in competitions and demonstrations, and bone-bruising is part of the deal. Minimum of two weeks is needed to recover from that stuff. Just an onion-layer of my life for ya.

    Drew Sutton=Pirates’ season Savior.
    DK + Joss Wheadon=Next Great Buffy Series!

  59. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    That’s it! I need to quit working so I can keep up with this.

  60. Jandy says:

    The Gunner, if Tabata doesn’t soon start smiling and hustling, he may be experiencing splinter in his backside!

  61. Jandy says:

    JAL, check out my post on #19, that would help.

  62. NMR says:


    I’m with you there. As long as I get the job done, there’s no repercussions at the work place. I’m more worried about people questioning my sanity than my time. ;)

  63. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I’ve been a supporter of Tabata’s. However, there is no excuse for not hustling and that will quickly help you lose your job.

    The problem with that is, it leaves us with Alex Presley…….I’ll still take Tabata over Presley but, he’s gotta get his head out of his arse.

  64. Jandy says:

    listen, buggee friend, one head on Tanger’s head is touched…Ima give you a bone bruisin buddy :p
    (Yikes, that sounds BAD)

    Ryan, I know! Work is a four letter word!

  65. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks Jandy and Lucky.

    I had fun here last night with Milo even though the ballgame sucked. Milo took a Bad News Bears reference I made and delivered an hilarious post about Tabata’s throw. I was laughing out loud! My wife even wanted to know about it. She loves movies so she even a kick out of Milo without having the foggiest idea who Tabata is.

  66. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    doesn’t sound bad but….fun

  67. Jandy says:

    OshKosh, honestly, this place helps beat back the stress when I’m working. I laugh out loud a lot at the posts. NMR, they all think I’m nuts here, but I don’t care!

  68. Jandy says:

    Oh Lord, fun bone bruises and Jandalicious…WOW!

  69. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Which throw were you reffering too….as I stated last night, his throws, at least the ones I saw, were not really that bad.

    I also missed the hit that should’ve been caught?

  70. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    OK, speaking of work………later all….

  71. LuckyNKentucky says:


    The Gardy thing is just chain yankin’ on someone’s name-dropping. Nothing malicious meant, believe me. We all know it’s Gardenhire. Wonder is Ron knows he’s Gardy?

  72. JAL says:


    Thanks, that clears it up, missed the original post. As for going to other paper, don’t recall any JD over there.

  73. NMR says:


    I believe it’s a fallacy that the Pirates don’t have the pieces to make that trade. They absolutely do. They would just have to be content with giving up the prospects without being able to replace them like the rest of the league.

    San Fran didn’t have a replacement for Zach Wheeler when they traded him for Beltran.

    Washington didn’t have a replacement for their two top pitchers when they traded them for Gonzalez.

    Cinci certainly didn’t have replacements for the ransom they paid for Mat Latos.

    Its just the nature of the beast.

    If anything, the Pirates are in a better position than those teams as they would actually be able to trade a top 20 prospect while still having another in the system.

  74. Jandy says:

    JAL, I’m not sure where he came from but he can GO there anyway LOL!

  75. JAL says:


    Would prefer he go to a paper in another city :)

  76. JohninOshkosh says:


    We were just having fun at that series of miscues. The specific reference was the throw to Barajas. They were just sort of instant responses, like watching at a bar or something.

    The Phils announcers, very genial guys, were referring to those series of events involving Tabata and Alvarez as “little league.” Of course there was a lot of things going on like the wind, etc.

    All in good fun.

  77. Jandy says:

    JAL, OK, how ’bout the Philly Inquirer???

  78. JAL says:

    Jandy, good choice :)

  79. buggee says:

    Dat’s ok Jandyific, I didn’t take dat the “wrong” way at all. lol.

    Feeling good about the moves the Pens made so far. I’d still like to see Depres get more time; I like his skating and ice-vision, and he’s not afraid to take the body either.

    Kasper was the best. Just a chiseled little beast of a blue-liner, that dude laid the best checks; thundering hits that left a trail of dazed opponents trying to get back up on their skates. Alas, were Kasper playing now he’d be spending lots of time serving suspensions. Kasper took my TKD class; nobody wanted to spar him except for G. Lloyd (he wanted to spar everyone). Good times that.

  80. JD says:

    Lucky – this is the real JD, thanks for thinking of me as a good guy (even though my wife calls me a clown on occasion) Thanks for also pointing out there is an evil J.D. lurking out there. Beware the evil J.D. I’m a big fan of DK and would never use his columns for unsanitary uses.

  81. Jandy says:

    buggee friend, good times here too. I love the moves the Pens made so far…hoping we snag a good winger for Sid. Trust in Shero.

  82. buggee says:

    @ (the real) JD: all wives call their menfolk “clowns”. So long as they stop there, all is good, right Jandytastic?

  83. JohninOshkosh says:


    Oh, and I am a Tabata supporter. Last winter I posted an ASG prediction. Well, that is not going to happen, but he has a beautiful swing and a number of good skills. I hope he gets his head straight. His undeniable talent and favorable contract makes him an interesting mix for trades, though.

  84. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jose Tabata

    Before contract extension (8/21/11) – .287 (196-682) 43-65 SB (66%) – 2 errors

    After contract extension – .230 (66-287) 9-18 SB (50%) – 4 errors

    It’s up to Tabata to show us what we’re all thinking is wrong.

    DK: Well put.

  85. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Good stats, LoLo. Nothing but the facts.

  86. NMR says:


    Because he’s so upset that his agent actually negotiated that awful contract?

    $15m over 6 years is less than he would’ve made in arbitration.

  87. Bizrow says:

    @NMR – who do you think they are willing to deal?

    Any ML starter they are willing to move will not bring much. Owens/Locke and the other AAA pitcher are unproven, to the point that even the PBC isn’t willing to bring them up

    We have some relieving depth at the ML level, but that is a strength of the club

    I’d say the big three in the minors should be untouchable.

    IMHO, we think we have more to offer than what the 29 other ML clubs think of our talent

    Just sayin, we’ll see

  88. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jamie Moyer just signed a minor league deal with Toronto. That guy really has the fire to play. He and Dara Torres should have hooked up to create a super race.

    If memory serves me, though, I believe Jamie is oddly Digger Phelps son in law?

  89. Arriba Wilver says:

    Party at John Lease’s house this Saturday. Details to follow . . .

  90. BigDaddyHoss says:


    With so many rumors of have the Cubs putting everyone on the trading block, what would you think of the Pirates trading Taillon or Cole for Starlin Castro?

    This would fill both needs as a big bat and a long term answer at shortstop. He would also be under team control for many years.

    If not Castro, is this the type of move the Pirates will make?

    DK: He’s just not available. Theo Epstein has laid that out in large, neon letters. But the answer to your broader question is yes. Those just are really rare.

  91. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR—Tabby has only himself to blame for his contract; he either fired his agent or his agent quit because he wasn’t in favor of it.

  92. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I don’t know DK’s thoughts on Castro, but this blog has nixed him. Better get a package deal from the Cubs. DK loves those.

    DK: Castro is fantastic. But he’s also fantastically unavailable.

  93. Jandy says:

    buggee (re #82) I don’t even call my hubby a clown, I call him worse! But I never call him later for dinner ;)

    AW ~ Party???? details please…

  94. BigDaddyHoss says:


    I know all about how DK feels about package deals.

    Why is everyone so down on Castro?

  95. Pants-n-at says:

    @ Gunner. thanks for the insight. I don’t know what Cedeno was like in the clubhouse, but I’d bet he would be hitting beter than barmes right now.

  96. JohninOshkosh says:


    I love Castro as a ballplayer. I think he is and will be a great ballplayer. Kid gets a bad rap, especially since Bobby Valentine’s flippant remarks. Personally, I think the Cubs would be fools to part with him. Castro and Rizzo form a decent young base to the infield.

  97. LuckyNKentucky says:


    You know how blogs take on a certain personality of their own. More leaned away from him on here. Not necessarily the viewpoint of management, as the disclaimer reads. He would be a great pickup but probably not for Taillon or Cole. Probably a guy to build around like John says.

  98. NMR says:


    That’s my point. The Pirates aren’t willing to deal what other teams are.

    Nobody has this magical farm system that can replace top 20 starters with other top 20 starters.

    It shouldn’t be a knock that the Pirates don’t either.

    There isn’t a player that has been rumored available, other than Castro, that I feel is worth giving up Cole or Tailon.

    I’d part with Heredia or Marte for a guy with at least two years of control, but not a rental.

    As far as the Owens/Locke types, sure, they aren’t valuable in a 1 for 1, big splash type deal, but I think you’re mistaken if you don’t believe other GM’s value someone who projects as a middle to back of rotation starter with 6 years of control. It shouldn’t be held against either of them that they can’t crack a rotation thats 2nd best in the NL. These aren’t your 2010 Pirates.

    Trades don’t only involve uber prospects. The Lockes/Owens/Wilsons of the world might be top 10 prospects in a pitching bereft organization like the Twins.

  99. The Gunner says:

    @ Pants-n-at – 95

    As my good friend Lanny Frattare would say, “no doubt about it”!!!

    Barmes looks like a washed up has been to me. Give Josh Harrison most of the playing time there. He is an upgrade defensively & offensively. In addition to this, his salary is 1/10 of old man Barmes’ salary.

    Tabata does not have long in Pirate black & gold – what a disappointment and what lack of integrity on his part.

  100. Milo Hamilton says:

    UCLA’s #2 starter from 2011 is set to make his major league debut tonight.

    UCLA’s #1 starter from 2011 is set to make his 2nd start at AA.

  101. Chuck H says:

    Why, o, why do we keep Clint Barmes on the Pirates’ roster? With the season almost half over, he still has a very low batting average, in fact, in yesterday’s game he struck out and hit into two double plays. Now is that helping the team? I say, ship him to the minors and bring someone up who can hit. Common sense should tell you that.
    I’m still waiting for the big turnaround of the Pirates that by season’s end they will be looking up at the Cubbies, mainly because of their lack of hitting with men on base. Two or three runs a game doesn’t do it if the other team is scoring four or five.

  102. NMR says:


    Who does Cole replace in the rotation?

  103. nate83 says:

    Look what we got for Bay. I don’t think any of those guys could have been confused as a Cole/Taillon type prospect. That being said I definately think someone that would be more of a rental especially someone from the Twins,Rockies or Padres could be had for a Locke type prospect if packaged with a couple of other 15-25 ranked prospects. If you take on more money of a player like Morneau you can get him for much less then that even.

  104. JAL says:

    P2’s look at today’s Phils pitcher

    Exploring the Arsenal – Vance Worley

  105. nate83 says:

    Well the great thing about Tabata is that he is still really young has already showed he is capable of being an everyday outfielder in this league and has a tremendous team friendly contract. I think he may just be intrigueing enough to be a very good piece to add to a trade. Especially if it is to receive a first baseman that can also play right field.

  106. JAL says:

    At the time of the draft the “experts” thought Bauer would be in the majors first but Cole had the higher upside

  107. Bizrow says:

    @NMR – Its not a knock, its the fact of life.

    We can talk and speculate all we want, but the bottom line is, we don’t have the talent in the system to get someone real good.

    As has been said, Shero stockpiles defensemen, develops them and uses some of those chips to pick up guys like Neal and Kunitz. He can deal from strength that he has developed

    The BMTIB, almost exclusively through trades and drafting has picked up pitching with the thoughts they could be dealt for hitting. Well, it hasn’t worked, we haven’t developed the young uns and the system is rated high because of three guys.

    It is what it is, IMHO anyways. Guys like Headley and LaHair, we can’t afford to give up the talent it would cost, unless its one of the big threes, which I don’t want to see happen

  108. nate83 says:


    I don’t understand where you are coming from on this one. Do you think most systems have more then 3 or 4 guys on the top 50 prospects list? There are 30 teams so if you have 2 in the top 50 your are doing something right. They are in a much better position to trade then they where 5 years ago hands down. I don’t beleive it woudl take any of our “big 3″ prospects to get Headly or LaHair. It’s not like they are Cliff Lee or CC Sabathia.

    Our AA and AAA are not leading their divisions for no reason and the last time I checked none of those big 3 have contributed to those teams until recently with Cole. Their are other prospects within the Pirates system that other teams would be interested in. White sox got Youk for practically a bag of balls and a hope of resurrecting a pitcher’s career.

  109. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Exactly…….Diamondbacks pitching staff isn’t doing as well as the Pirates either.

  110. NMR says:

    “We can talk and speculate all we want, but the bottom line is, we don’t have the talent in the system to get someone real good.”

    Um, yes we do. Again, you have to be willing to give in order to get. I also highly doubt a 29 yo rookie who has only put up an OPS over 800 in 1 of 3 months in the bigs would take any of the Pirates top 5 prospects.

    And I’m not exactly sure you want to use Ray Shero’s defense as a positive analogy. The Philadelphia Flyers would surely object.

  111. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    If LaHair or Headley are picked up, they’re not a rental candidate. I also don’t think one of the big 3 would be needed to capture one of those players, unless I’ve missed such reports contradicting my opinion.

    Sure, teams will ask for those in return, kinda like buying a car. Do the Pirates have the talent to acquire a big name? Yes. Are they willing to part with such talent? Probably not and haven’t thus far.

    BTW, I’d take LaHair over Headley……..not a fan

  112. JRay3 says:

    A lot of discussion on trades and prospects today. The one thing we all need to consider is it comes down to the other clubs evaluation, scouting and value they place on our prospects. But there does seem to be enough to certainly get a deal done to a team that may be pitching thin.

    I just know this, the fans of the Pirates are doing their part as evidenced by the 110,000 people that showed up to pack PNC this past weekend. It is time for Ownership/Management to do theirs.

    It is universally recognized we need to add a bat to the lineup – I vote for a Jeff Francouer, Josh Willingham type as I believe Corner OF is our biggest weakness, yes we have others but we need more power and production from those spots. At some point the FO has to be aggressive enough in its offering to get a deal that helps the club. Not every deal is going to be a team looking to dump salary and us willing to take some on like last year with D. Lee / R. Ludwick.

    We have Correia, Owens, Locke, Wilson, McPherson, and a host of others further down the pike and I am sure a team needing some pitching help at the MLB level and behind it would like a couple of those arms.

  113. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Not to be corrective, but Altoona is actually last by 2 percentage points in its division. However, Indy maintained its slim 9.5 game lead over 2nd-place Columbus with its 9-8 win last night. The Curve has played better lately and Cole pitches tonight. State College is off to a good start in their league-maybe they’ll salvage that affiliation with a solid club this season.

  114. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Another thing to consider is what other teams are offering for that piece as well. But I agree with #114.

    Honestly, after last years deal for DLee and Ludwick, I think this FO will get something done.

  115. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Very good post, as usual JRay. Like Milo or Groat or NMR or someone has said a couple times, if we get Willingham, put him in right. That home run he gave us last week would be avoided in that case.

  116. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I don’t know about Francour, I mentioned him last year around this time as well. Love the arm, but I don’t know if his bat would help us out.

    Jones and McGehee have been doing well. If they upgrade, they need to actually upgrade. Who’s available that’s doing better than these guys right now?

  117. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    If any outfielder is added, he’ll be in RF.

  118. LuckyNKentucky says:


    You can’t see Alex getting bumped? Or does he get bumped and Tabby go to left?

  119. JAL says:

    Eric Fryer is at Citizens Bank Park but no official move announced

  120. nate83 says:


    Thanks for the correction. I for some reason thought I saw they are leading their division somewhere but now see that they indeed are in dead last. This makes my above comments much less supportive of my point I was trying to make. So I will quietly go back to work and enjoy reading everyone else’s post.

  121. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Yes sir, that would be my predicition…Right now they’re a wash. But I would see Tabby in LF and a power, slower guy in RF.

    LF in PNC has to be a 2nd CFer just because of the gap.

    Now, if when they play in a normal NL field, then you could power up a bit. Say, Willingham in LF and Jones in RF. A typical type of OF played.

  122. JohninOshkosh says:

    I have a bet with a buddy who is an Orioles fan (misery loves company). He says Dylan Bundy pitches in the majors before Cole citing the Pirates much commented on deliberate development of arms. Jim Palmer, during the Pirate games played in Baltimore, was commenting on the Pirates philosophy. He said he was a strong believer in letting pitchers get to the point of performing very well at each level before moving them along. It certainly will be interesting to see how Bauer does at the major league level.

    Guys like Andrew Miller keep people like Neal Huntington up at night.

  123. JRay3 says:

    @ Ryan – Looking at it more closely you maybe right about Francouer, probably should have said Ross or Willingham would most help this club.

    Take a look:

    Presley- .231 AVG, 5 HR 12 RBI, .254 OBP, .364 SLG
    Tabata – .226 AVG, 3 HR, 10 RBI, .288 OBP, .343 SLG


    Francouer – .264 AVG, 6 HR, 21 RBI, .301 OBP, .396 SLG
    Ross- .277 AVG, 11 HR, 38 RBI, .346 OBP, .579 SLG
    Willingham – .275 AVG, 15 HR, 49 RBI, .390 OBP, .547 SLG

    Any of them would be an upgrade (although Francouer just slightly) but a Ross or Willingham type would be significant.

  124. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    maybe the pirates just need to figure out their minor league system’s equivalent of Craig Hansen (or Hanson?), Bryan Morris, Brandon Moss, and Andy LaRoche to get a power hitting outfielder for a year and a half.

    worked for the dodgers and red sox once hehe

  125. Bizrow says:

    Folks, I think we are “smokin dope” if we really think NH will make a deal that adds something we can get excited about for a couple of years

    On this one, I can’t hope, but expect

    Read 7 1/2 minutes that changed the franchise, one of the best pieces of writing I’ve been blessed to read

  126. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Your premise is still correct. Don’t feel that way. They have talent in Altoona. It doesn’t always translate into W’s. Indy’s pitching has been an asset as well as some timely veteran hitting lately. You can go back to work if you need to, but don’t be quiet. You were right in what you said. Altoona is 11 out of 1st, but only 2.5 out of second, and their callups have done well.

  127. JRay3 says:

    @ JAL – that is an ominious post leading to speculation of a potential DL stint of Barajas, that would further weaken the lineup. Fryer hitting just .167 with a .220 OBP and .219 SLG in 114 AB’s in Indianapolis….sigh.

    A lot of talk yesterday that Morales would be the guy recalled if needed, does not appear the organization feels that way.

  128. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Good point, to be honest I wasn’t comparing them to Presley or Tabata.

    As I said above, I am still on the mindset of having a speed guy in LF.

    By Ross, do you mean Cody Ross?

    I would be all for that…especially seeing what he brought to the Giants in 2010. However, I don’t see the Red Sox trading him away.

  129. nate83 says:


    Would you bring Marte up and get both speed and a little power in left field or do you think it would be a lot to ask of him with the Pirates actually being in contention.

    Although I’m not so sure he could be any worse then the .225 Tabata and Presley are batting and he sure is exciting to watch.

  130. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:


    i could definitely see Francoeur coming in as Tabata/Presley insurance.

    The Royals have young Lorenzo Cain getting healthy and uber prospect Wil Myers killing the ball in AAA… I could see them looking to get rid of Francoeur for a pretty fair price.

    Not a flashy pickup, but a nice steady guy that the outfield could use.

  131. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I was thinking about that. In the beginning of the season, that was my though in the beginning of the season. I said Nate gone, Presley to bench and Marte in LF.

    Right now though, I don’t know if he’s ready. Hitting in the .260’s only 6 HR’s and a fairly high strike out rate.

    So no, I don’t think I would put him in that situation.

  132. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Looks like the Fort will handle most of the backstop duties. It’ll give him a chance to bring that BA over the Mendoza line. I didn’t think Fryer impressed them last season in that catcher revolving door. Must be a 40-man issue or something.

  133. JohninOshkosh says:

    I would like to see the Pirates open up their check book and talk to Epstein about taking Soriano off the Cubs’ hands. He gets kicked around but his numbers are historically decent and there have been times that his bat has literally carried Chicago through winning streaks.

    It would mean making him the highest paid Pirate for a few years. But the AJB situation has worked out well for them. Also, I know, with a few notable exceptions, Barmes feel the wrath of this blog. But the Pirates lost no prospects for him. Instead of watching some future Hall of Famer play for someone else, they are instead watching money go down the drain. If there is going to be a loss, I choose the latter.

  134. JAL says:


    I agree that Fryer is no strength, I can see the reasoning as far as my knowledge of the situation goes. If Barajas is only expected to be out a few a games they need a backup catcher. Since none are on the 40 they have to add one. When Barajas is ready they probably drop the backup from the 40. Fryer least likely to be picked up when DFAed or even if he is picked up he the catcher they least mind losing.

  135. NMR says:


    Francoeur comes with a $7.5m contract next year.

    Not exactly the type of change the Pirates have lying around to drop on a guy who has posted an OPS over .750 in only 3 of his 7 seasons.


    Cody Ross is going to the bench once the Sox get Ellsbury and Crawford back in the lineup. He’s also in his contract year, which means he’d be playing out the season on the bench.

    They have the third worst ERA in the AL and only one starter with an ERA below Correias. Trading Ross would be the textbook definition of dealing from a position of strength.

  136. NMR says:


    Neal should be calling Toronto about JP Arencibia.

    The Jays rotation is shredded and Arencibia is blocking mega prospect Travis d’Arnaud.

    He’d be an improvement over anyone in the system, including Barajas, and has four years of control.

  137. Milo Hamilton says:

    Why would Cody Ross go to the Bench ? He was starting before Crawford & Ellsbury got hurt.

  138. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    He’s cheap too. On a 1yr $3m contract.

    I’m all for that deal to be honest……

  139. NMR says:

    My fault, Milo.

    Forgot Gonzalez moves back to 1st base with Youkilis traded.

  140. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:


    I agree Francoeur is much less than ideal. not a big power bat and not a big name like Carlos Quentin (who is obviously be a better bat). But he can play all 3 OF positions and is an upgrade over tabata and presley at the moment. and i’m sure the royals would pick up some of that money.

    They aren’t going to sit Gordon, Myers, or Cain. the 7.5 million is all the more reason why francoeur will probably be given away.

    not ideal, but more ideal than the current options if better options fall through

  141. nate83 says:

    I could be wrong but I don’t think Crawford has played this year so if he came back I think Ross would go to the bench. Who is their third outfielder after Crawford and Ellsbury? Isn’t it sometimes Sweeney and sometimes Adrian Gonzalaz?

  142. Milo Hamilton says:

    By the way, leave it to the Pirates to purposely bring up a worse player (Fryer instead of Morales) in the middle of a pennant race because of what MIGHT happen 3 weeks down the road. They like Morales so much, they’ll keep him in the minor leagues to the detriment of the parent club. SMH.

  143. nate83 says:

    I don’t think either will see more then 2 games started even if they are up for 15 days. It may just be for 2 or 3 days and Fryer will never see the field and just be up in case of injury to McKenry.

  144. Milo Hamilton says:

    If Barajas isn’t hurt badly enough for the DL, this is going to get really complicated. Poor Drew Sutton, he’s going to get DFA’d again.

  145. The Gunner says:

    Presley’s numbers and Tabata’s numbers are fairly comparable. However, the difference is Presley provides more pop offensively and hustles as compared to the lazy likes of Tabata. I have long been a supporter of acquiring Willingham. Cody Ross would be acceptable but kinda lukewarm on Franceour.

    Enough speculating for now – let’s focus on winning in Philthadelphia tonight.

  146. JohninOshkosh says:


    I like JP Arencibia a lot. But I don’t like the idea of Neal trading with Alex Anthopoulos. Talk about a competitive imbalance!

  147. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I agree with you, Milo, but I don’t think Fryer will see much PT. Especially if they don’t even DL Barajas. He’s just insurance in case the Fort gets dinged. IMHO

  148. cmat0829 says:

    Interesting. Most of this Asylum were ready to run the “bum” Barajas out of town a month ago… and now we get to see how valuable he really is to this team. Not only in his power potential at the plate but in his presence and game calling behind it. Me hopes the starting pitching can hang in there until he gets back.

  149. The Gunner says:

    cmat0829 – 150

    Barajas has certainly been a breath of fresh air especially since he started to hit better. Much better than the past regime of Ryan Doumit and Jason Jaramillo. Too bad we can’t find something close to Slaught and Lavalliere.

  150. Milo Hamilton says:

    To clarify on Fryer. If it’s only 2 or 3 days, then I’m OK with it. But if it’s a DL stint, it’s unacceptable.

  151. cmat0829 says:

    Matt Hague should be sent back to Indy. McGehee and GI Jones are back to a respectable platoon and I dont see any playing time for the “hit collector”. Pirates need to start stocking the bench with actually good bench players and Hague is not that.

  152. NMR says:


    Too funny, and I agree.

    Huntingdon is the poor mans Anthopoulos. I guess somewhat fitting in that he’s the GM of the Pirates.

  153. JAL says:

    Barjaras is day to to day. Word is Slaten and Hague optioned to Indy.

  154. Milo Hamilton says:

    Looks like Sutton stays. Still must make move with 40 man. Good call on Hague, cmat.

  155. JAL says:

    yep, need to make a 40 man move.

  156. RobertoForever says:


    Good posts on 150 and 153. Barajas deserves kudos, as does CH for sticking with him. Hopefully the continued improvement of Barmes results in less whining about him soon as well.

    Hague just didn’t do much with his opportunities. Hopefully he finds some power in Indy.

    Disappointed it wasn’t Morales. Really like his consistency and professionalism. Hope he gets his chance again in the bigs.

    I have faith that this FO will make a trade that adds to the team. Last year’s trades for DLee and Ludwick were good. Who knew they would both get injured within a week or two. #Badtiming

  157. RobertoForever says:

    Ants marching…………….

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