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Final: Pirates 11, Phillies 7

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (38-35) vs. Philadelphia Phillies (36-40)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: Citizens Bank Park, Philadelphia

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Philadelphia LHP Raul Valdes

  1. Josh Harrison, SS
  2. Drew Sutton, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Casey McGehee, 1B
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Jose Tabata, RF
  8. Michael McKenry, C
  9. James McDonald, RHP


  1. The Gunner says:

    At least we don’t have to put up with both Barmes and Tabata tonight.

  2. Jag7 says:

    Enjoy it for this game because even if Harrison goes 3-4, Barmes will be right back in there tomorrow. Why do they think Tabata is better than Presley. And does Gregg Ritchie, a/k/a the worst hitting coach in MLB, tell the hiters that it is legal to hit to the opposite field? I vote for John Wehner as hitting coach.

  3. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Very, very, very interesting line-up. It begs for 2 lines……so The Window will do just that. Let’s open the window!!

    Tonight’s DOUBLE LINE OVER / UNDER (always just for fun of course)

    Please specify which line you are (fake) wagering on as The Window is a terrible psychic!!

    Line # 1
    Total Combined Runs Batted In by McCutchen + McGehee + Walker + Alvarez
    Line is 4.5

    Line #2
    Total Combined Hits + Walks by Drew Sutton
    Line is 1.5

    Anyone can play!! Everyone should TRY!! What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!


    JRay3 ** 900
    dcpinpgh ** 800
    pattonbb ** 600
    radio wave ** 595
    Nate83 ** 590
    Mlrgenuine ** 585
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 500
    Slack Boss ** 460
    jeffsbar ** 400
    Evan ** 353
    JMB ** 350
    Chico ** 350
    JohninOshkosh ** 350
    Steve J Smith ** 350
    Officer Mancuso ** 280
    JaxBuc ** 270
    cosmo ** 260
    RobertoForever ** 235
    MarkV ** 230
    bman ** 220
    DemonDachshund ** 210
    manny_sanguine ** 200
    likeabugonarug ** 183
    crkkid ** 175
    OZ ** 150
    lckythump ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    cmat0829 ** 50
    stuart66 ** 45
    Milo Hamilton ** 25
    JUCOfan ** 25
    Hal Smith ** EVEN
    NMR ** EVEN
    Dan1283 ** EVEN
    Boise Bucco ** -50
    tmp444 ** -70
    bob hasis ** -75
    lawnbeaver ** -100
    JD ** -100
    Mike C. ** -100
    Arriba Wilver ** -110
    Bizrow ** -130
    buggee ** -200
    GlassHalfFull ** -305
    Kevin ** -350
    TDB1977 ** -740

  4. twentytwo22 says:

    Here’s the first Youkilis update and the last (after 3 games with ChiSox)

    5-12, 2B, R, 2 RBI, .917 OPS, 61 pitches seen in 12 at-bats.

    In his last 6 games, he’s raised his BA 32 points, and his OPS 66.

  5. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:


    i’m just curious why you think Presley is better than Tabata.

    not necessarily disagreeing. just wondering.

    This team needs to find somebody with some OBP and hit them leadoff…. cough chase headley cough …

  6. Bizrow says:

    I’ll get sucked in for 100 on the OVAH for both lines

    Tonight, we break out of the minifunk

    Thanks as always Playoffs

  7. cmat0829 says:

    Is Sutton a switch-hitter? I think this is a “we have to do something at the top of the order” lineup vs. LHP. Regardless of any opinions folks have about Tabata or Presley, fact is neither one is doing the job at the top of the order. I personally would prefer Presley get a few more ABs vs. lefties but I don’t have a strong conviction on this.

    It is ironic but the Bucs’ offense this year (I mean when they score runs) has been because of the LONGBALL. They are atrocious at “small ball” and that is in great part to the lack of any production at the top of the order.

  8. radio wave says:

    at playoffs:
    I’m only going to try line 2 tonight.
    I’ll go 50 on the under.
    This is a strange lineup tonight.

  9. cmat0829 says:


    HMMMMMMMM…. have to think hard about the first one…. I’m going to say UNDER on that.. i do think the Pirates score runs tonight but it will be from other places (Sutton, Harrison, Fort, etc).

    I like (small sample size) what I see with Sutton… I’m gonna say he gets one each HIT and WALK.

    Give me UNDER on the first and OVER on the second. 100 fake units each.

  10. crkkid says:

    @ playoffs

    I would like both unders for 75 units each.


  11. radio wave says:

    Final from Cincy
    Brewers win 8-4.

  12. buggee says:

    @ Playoffs:

    >>—–> (as spoken by Yoda) Very lines cool are these. Over are both am I. Fake am I wagers of 100 each placing. You thanking am I. Matters only the Force. Not luck the matter.

    >>—–> (as spoken by a Pixburgher) Gimme a hunnerd ohn boaff a dem, k? (needs betted). Tanks ‘n’ ‘at (ya jagoff)

  13. buggee says:

    >>> Regarding Judge Judy: Is she HOTTTT or what?

    >>> Regarding tonight’s lineup: Huh? Want a good leadoff hitter with power? Ever see “Inglourious Basterds” (one of my all-time favs)? Eli Roth swings a mean wooden bat (on a Nazi’s head). There ya go Clint

  14. Jag7 says:

    @CraigWilson, I think Presley is a much smarter player than Tabata, what he did leading off vs. Verlander was brilliant – eliminate the no hitter first batter with a perfect bunt. Got it out of everyone’s heads. He’s a hustler, plays hard, can never question that. Short quick swing , doesn’t try to kill it. Just b/c he doesn’t have all the ‘tools’ Tabata supposedly has doesn’t mean he should be benched after an 0-fer while Tabata has the longest leash ever. Plus, Presley wears my number, so that makes him real good. :)

  15. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Just a Thought………………..

    Perhaps Tabata is getting more playing time because the Bucs are trying to showcase him for a possible trade. Again, just a thought.

  16. Buggeheeheehee,

    If you think Judge Judy is hot, you have been banging one too many boards off that head of yours.

  17. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @bizrow, radio, cmat, crkkid, and buggee, you got it and good luck!!

  18. Kevin says:

    Playoffs –

    Like Costanza I am now going to do the OPPOSITE of whatever I would do normally. That translates into:
    Line 1: 100 on the OVER
    Line 2: 100 on the UNDER

    Thank you.

  19. Whoa!!!

    It does not bode well for the Pirates that the non-shortstop is playing short, and the newly acquired backup shortstop is playing left!!!

  20. bob hasis says:


    That my man is a load of relief. NOW LET’S PLAY BALL in a serious manner.

  21. tmp444 says:

    Ok, let’s get off this snide tonight.

    50 on the UNDER for #1
    50 on the OVER for #2

    Thanks, as always, Playoffs!!! Let’s go Buccos!

  22. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    1. I have no idea what to say about this lineup…..sure, what the hell?

    2. even worse, I have no idea where my points are gonna on Playoffs lines.

    Let’s wing it

    Line 1: give me 100 on the under…….ew, sad face
    Line 2: This is the hardes one, 50 on the under and another 50 on the over……that’s how confused I am on this pick…is that allowed?

  23. Arriba Wilver says:

    Playoffs: since to think that I have a chance to win this would be like thinking Barmes will end the season with his career average numbers, I’m going to instead focus on beating my buddy, Biz:

    Line #1: 50 on the under

    Line #2: 50 on the over

  24. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I’m not a fan of JHay in the leadoff spot………..but really, for tonight, shake things up…

  25. bob hasis says:


    I am compelled to offer up 50 of something on the OVER for Line 1

    Jag7@ #2 You are right, which would tell a lot about CH

    Groat @19 I was curious about that too. Who is the lesser of two defensive evils – Josh or the new guy. But let’s just assume they both hit tonight, then what CH?

  26. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    From the previous thread:

    So I was slightly off….

    The Astros got:

    1. Jarred Cosart, RHP, Lancaster JetHawks #2 overall prospect
    2. Jonathan Singleton, 1B-L, Lancaster JetHawks #3 overall prospect
    3. Josh Zeid, RHP, Corpus Christi Hooks #20 overall

    So that’s the equilivant to sending;

    1. Jameson Taillon
    2. Josh Bell
    3. Jordy Mercer
    4. Clint Barmes ( ha)

    And Pence is a super 2 arbitration eligible player currently making 10m this season.

    That said, I would love to have Pence in our lineup, no doubt. That’s a lot for a team like the Pirates to give up for a guy that they would only have for probably 2.5 years.

  27. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Let’s not get too fired up on JHay, he’s not fairing much better than the alternatives either.

    Overall numbers:

    231 .291 .407 .698

    For June:

    .219 .306 .406 .712

    Though I’m slightly surprised at these numbers, he seemed to be doing much better. He’s scary to watch at SS as well. Seems to be able to make the routine plays though.

  28. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I think you’re a little exuberant in your assessment. Their overall and our overall may be different. But I respect your opinion and knowledge. Still like to have Pence right now. Willingham, too.

  29. Dejan,

    You state in today’s column: “No team spent more over the previous four drafts than the Pirates’ $48 million.”

    Baseball America lists the following guaranteed money for the last 4 drafts:

    Pirates——[2008], $9,780,500——[2009], $8,918,900——[2010], $11,900,400——[2011], $17,005,700—————Grand total . . . . . $47,605,500

    Nationals—[2008], $4,761,500——[2009], $19,118,604——[2010], $14,577,200——[2011], $17,602,100—————Grand total . . . . . $56,059,404

    I know you would never intentionally mislead us or present inaccurate information, so:
    ——is Baseball America wrong? or,
    ——did your editor/printer leave out some words in your above sentence?

    DK: No, different definitition. BA is using guaranteed money there, including major-league contracts. I’m using bonus money. Thus, for example, Stephen Strasburg’s guaranteed money nearly doubles when factoring his actual playing contract.

    To me, it’s fairer to do bonuses across the board.

  30. Arriba Wilver says:

    The only issue I thought was really significant over the Pence issue last year was Neal saying that despite the prospects, they could not (or would not) pay his projected arbitration numbers.

  31. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lucky–yeah, the assessment was a little Pirate friendly, but the effort is appreciated. :-)

  32. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    And our prospects should be better, we’ve been top 10 in drafting for the last 20 years.

    But the fact that the Phillies were willing to give up those prospects, since their ML lineup is World Series ready…, was. They don’t need the prospects for the future as much as the Pirates do. They have the payroll to go buy the players they need.

  33. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Fun fact: Drew Sutton has 27 career games at SS and has committed 1 error in those 27 games……..What does that translate too? He’ll have 3 tonight…….

  34. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @Kevin, SERRENITY NOW!! You got it and good luck!!

    @tmp, you’re welcome, you got it and good luck!!

    @Ryan, 50 on the over and under for a single line, sure yo can do that, The Window call s that “no action”, as for the first line, you got it and good luck!!

    @Arriba, The Window likes the personal rivalry, kind of reminds The Window of college football, you both need a name for the rivalry, as for tonight, you got it and good luck!!

    @bob, you got it and good luck!!

  35. bman says:

    @ Playoffs

    Line 1: 40 on the UNDER
    Line 2: 40 on the UNDER

  36. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Playoffs……Ok, ok, ok……I can’t go without action…..lets do 100 on the………….OVER for Mr. Sutton.

  37. Arriba Wilver says:

    I coulda sworn tonight’s line would have been about whether Fort would be sent from third on a SF. :-)

  38. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @bman, as always my friend, you got it and good luck!!

    @Rayn, that’s the spirit, you got it and good luck!!

  39. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @Arriba, or how many times The Window says SHAME.

  40. Bizrow says:

    @ AW

    You are on ;-)

    Is the winner the one with the most lost or the most won??

  41. Bizrow says:

    (Hope Drew doesn’t see that emotiocon…)

  42. cosmo says:

    @ Playoffs

    line 1 – 60 on the under
    line 2 – 60 on the over

    and here’s hoping J Hay never ever has to bunt again !!!!!

  43. bob hasis says:

    Gunner, I just did a double-take at the line-up, Tabby is in there. Oh well

  44. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – Good afternoon, interesting lineup tonight but hopefully a decisive pitching edge helps the Bucs this evening snap the three game losing streak.

    At the Vegas airport about to head back home so very little time for research but want to take a crack at these lines tonight.

    Line 1 – I will take 100 on the UNDER just going off the fact that in the five games against the Phillies the Pirates have only scored 5 or more runs once.

    Line 2 – So Sutton in LF? That is interesting. OK this line is a virtual toss up. In the 12 games at the MLB level this year where Sutton had at least 3+ AB’s he accomplished this six times. That is a true 50-50 split. However, in his first three games with the Rays he had two hits in each of them showing a penchant for making a good impression. Couple that with the Phillies going with a committee of arms tonight and I’ll give the edge to Sutton.

    Going in small but will play 25 on the OVER.

    Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs!

  45. Chico says:


    50 on the under for line 1

    50 on the over for line 2

  46. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:



  47. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @cosmo, watch him lead off the game by squaring around, you got it and good luck!!

    @JRay, The Window has logged a lot of time at that airport over the years, used to do the Friday night red-eye to DCA pretty regularly, 4 soft tacos at the Taco Bell at the A gates, and a jack and coke before take off and The Window was a happy camper, ahhh the good old days, anyways, safe flight back, and you got it and good luck!!

    @chico, you got it and good luck!!

  48. stuart66 says:

    Monsignor window, your eminence,
    100 on the over for line 2.

  49. bob hasis says:

    @AW #37

    Too good to pass up; as in The Family Feud, survey says “he’d have been out again.

    Usain Bolt is the only human I know who could have beaten that throw!

  50. nate83 says:

    Playoffs I will take 100 on the under for line 1 and 75 on the under for line 2. Thanks.

  51. NMR says:


    re: Pence trade

    FWIW, Baseball America had the following rankings:

    Taillon #15
    Bell #60
    Cossart #50
    Singleton #34

    So actually, the Pirates hypothetical offer could’ve been slightly better.

  52. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bob—while we disagree I enjoyed the debate.

  53. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Could the Pirates offer been better? Sure…..but does the PBC want to give up those types of players for 2 years and a lot of money?

  54. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Which is what my point was.

    Would I want Hunter Pence in a Pirates uniform? Of course.

    Do I wish the Pirates were in position to trade for a guy like that with disregard for the prospects? Absolutely.

  55. hal Smith says:

    Line 1 30 on the under
    Line 2 30 on the under

    Lets go Bucs

  56. bob hasis says:


    It is purely and simple an exercise for the mind. I enjoyed it as well.

    I say this to you now in absolute jest; I learned a long time ago to never argue with a ______
    Onlookers and passersby might be confused who is who! That is an LOL definitely.

    Do you agree that Usain Bolt would have had a chance? I know Usain McKenry didn’t!

  57. Milo Hamilton says:

    Who cares how much Pence would have cost ? There’s no salary cap.

  58. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    The players I said those trades were the equilivant too, were also the 2012 top 50 prospects…….

    Found an article by DK himself that had his top 10, but couldn’t find 2011’s top 50 for the #20 guy.

    DK’s prospect would’ve sent Tony Sanchez and Stetson Allie……….whole new debate there.

  59. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    There’s a salary cap with the PBC.

  60. manny _sanguine says:


    Line 1 – 50 under
    Line 2 – 50 over

  61. Milo Hamilton says:


    Yes. Yes there is.

  62. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Agreed, if they had made it. I like Pence, probably too much. Just seemed to always kill us when he was an Astro and was what we needed at the time and maybe some down the road. Wouldn’t have made a difference last season and this one still has the jury out. Live and learn hopefully.

  63. Arriba Wilver says:

    Incorrigible bob– I’ll answer your question about Usain when you acknowledge it was a perfect throw. :-) :-) :-)

  64. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    That’s all my point was. For a team like the Pirates to give up that much.


    I too like Hunter Pence but actually liked Carlos Beltran better. Giants gave up a Gerritt Cole type of guy. Zach Wheeler.

  65. bob hasis says:

    Counsellor, I never said it wasn’t a perfect throw. I ONLY said he (THE FORT) should not have been sent. Check our dialogues I never said or inferred it wasn’t a perfect throw.

    I still enjoyed the exchanges

  66. NMR says:


    There seems to be the school of thought that a “small market” team like the Pirates should sell the farm when the time is right in order to have a shot in the playoffs.

    The Brewers did it to get Sabathia and Marcum.

    The Reds have done it to get Latos.

    Why hasn’t the most successful small market franchise in the league, the Tampa Rays, ever done it?

  67. Dcpinpgh says:

    Thanks for doing this

    Under for 50 o. Line 1
    Over for 25 on line 2

  68. JMB says:

    As AW said, the money issue was disconcerting, but to me the Pence question is why the Phillies had such highly ranked prospects from much lower draft picks.

    The guys the Phillies traded were 8th (2009), 10th 2009, and 38th –2008(!?!) rounders.

    Where are our 8th, 10th and 38th rounders who are top prospects?

  69. cosmo says:

    I see now the Yankees may be in the market for pitching. Petite out 6 weeks and Sabathia to DL today. Do the Yankees have any intriging hitters in their system?

    Besides ARod, Jeter, and Cano. (out of our league)

  70. Mike Shigley says:

    Anyway, for some good news on Cole, see the link —

  71. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    The difference with the Brewers and the Pirates were that the Brewers had a better offense and needed to add the pitching……IMHO.

    Do they need to trade off those guys to make a run, maybe.

    Do they need to do it last year or even this year? I don’t think they are there yet.

    You’re right, the Rays are what every small market team wishes they were.

  72. MarkV says:


    Line 1 – 50 on the Under
    Line 2 – 50 on the Over


  73. JMB says:

    If the Astros would have taken it, I remember wanting to trade Tabata, Sanchez, and Allie for Pence OR Bourn, but many people were/are so in love with Tabata that the deal seemed like a huge Pirate overpay to them.

    I would guess 100% would have made that trade in hindsight.

  74. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Those rankings were for the Phillies system alone. The Philles 1,2,3’s top prospects shouldn’t be as high as the Pirates on the overall ranking side simply because they are drafted way behind the Pirates.

    This is where the scouting side of teams shine. We’re those guys rated higher overall in the natioanl rankings? I don’t know, I didn’t look it up, but they were some of the best that the Phillies had to offer.

  75. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I don’t recall the Pirates really ever being in the discussion, let alone names dropped.

  76. JMB says:

    based on Keith Law’s top 100 last year.

    Singleton was 27

    Cosart was 34

    Comparably — Jamo was 30 & Sanchez was 63

    ESPN in$ider

  77. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I guess it’s kickin’ the proverbial dead horse and it’s my fault for bringing it up. I just noticed Bob, who is quite insightful, mentioned Willingham homering today and asking NH to get him. It just brought back memories of last year when Pence wasn’t on the market, then he was, then we didn’t get him anyway. Willingham will probably be somewhere playing for contender. Be nice in the ‘Burgh.

  78. bob hasis says:

    Here are two little tidbits;

    The yankees have lost CC for at least two starts, and Pettitte is out at least 6 weeks due to a broken ankle. Hmmmmm, need pitching anyone?

    And the Cubs just got destroyed 17-1 by the Mets. I “might ” consider Castro if they say pretty please

  79. Mike Shigley says:

    And speaking of Minnesota, today the Pirates traded (the undistinguished but onetime Major League starter) Altoona Curve pitcher Shairon Martis to the Twins. No listing of what the Pirates received in return.

  80. Lawnbeaver says:


    I’ll take 100 on the over on both lines. Got to make up those 100 clams I lost lost last night.

    I didn’t read through all of the posts from this mornings column or this entry, so I may be rehashing something already discussed, but it seems to me that it is very unlikely that Appel will not sign. His value would not increase from sitting a year and playing independent ball, next year’s draft is supposedly deeper. If he falls lower than 8th, he will lose even more money. It will take him a year longer to hit free agency. The Pirates just have to stand firm that they will not go over their MLB assigned budget, and this gets done.

  81. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    He will cost a lot less in terms of prospects.

  82. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Who do you give up for Castro? I’m in.

  83. bob hasis says:


    You know last year I thought the Pirates merely offered lip service regarding Pence. I doubt they were ever serious because of the terms AND the money required.

    Willingham is, I guess a similar commodity.

  84. jaxbuc says:

    Optimism abounds: 50 units on the OVER for both lines Big offensive outburst tonight.

  85. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Willingham should cost very little.

  86. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Ryan and Bob,

    I believe you’re both right.

  87. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Depends on the competition really. Who makes the best offer, which is why these things take time and usually go up to the deadline.

  88. Dejan,

    Thank you for answering me——of course, I knew your answer as we have had this discussion before. And . . . . . when you add the modifier “bonus” it changes your quote I mentioned.

    “To me, it’s fairer to do bonuses across the board.”

    This is your statement I do not understand!
    1/ Strasburg would not have signed his contract just for his $7.5 million bonus.
    2/ Harpers bonus money ($6.25 million) was actually less than the #2 pick Taillon. There is no way in Philadelphia (my definition of Hades) that Harper signs for less.
    3/ It took all of $15.1 million to sign Strasburg; it took all of $9.9 million (with others roster bonuses worth an additional $1 million that I did not even include) to sign Harper. Why would you not look at things with a level playing field?
    4/ Bud Selig knew that all monies were coming out of the same coffer, since he has since banned these Major League contracts that Boras worked out for Strasburg and Harper.

    If autocratic auto salesman Bud recognizes that the monies come out of the same pocket, why do normally reasonable you insist on ignoring same?

    The Bucs did NOT “spen[d] more over the previous four drafts” than any other team.

    The Nationals at $56 million actually spent almost $9 million more!

    DK: You’re correct that we’ve had this discussion before. When I’m going to describe draft bonuses, I’m not going to include major-league or even minor-league contracts. I’m going to describe bonuses.

  89. bob hasis says:

    @ Ryan

    I just threw it out there. Obviously to us and them, they need pitching. But as I said once or twice before in this space, I think Castro is a spoiled brat and due to his lifelong successes thinks he can do anything.

    Tell me, how do you stand at the plate slobbering sunflower seeds all over the place, and concentrate. It looks immature and unprofessional, and I’ll just bet he’s hard to coach. Haven’t you ever seen him pout after a K, as if that shouldn’t happen to him. Oh he does have some noteworthy skills, and he could be a lead-off type guy.

    Who do we give? I’d say find out first, if he is available then react to that

  90. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Per DK, no Castro. In neon from Theo.

  91. NMR says:


    I think you’re way off base if you think Willingham could be had for very little in terms of prospects.

    Two cheap years of control and those numbers?


    There are wayyyyy better options out there than anything the Pirates have to offer, pitching wise, if they want to stay in contention.

    Just from the sellers you have Dempster, Garza, Wandy Rodriguez, Liriano, Hamels and Greinke.

  92. NMR says:


    I think it’s still just as impressive that the Pirates only spent $9m less over those years when the Nats had to cough up the dough for the two biggest draftees of all time.

  93. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    They all do that either with seeds, chew (Lenny Dystra?) and bubble gum. Barry Bonds used to blow bubbles while catching a fly ball.

    Pablo Sandoval of the Giants blows bubbles while hitting…….I have NO IDEA how they do that…brings new meaning to the term “walk and chew gum”

  94. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    On cheap, I mean no Taillon, Coles, or Marte. It may cost 3 prospects, but not the top guys.

    I did forget that he was on a 3 year deal and not on a 1 year deal.

  95. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    With that being the case, I doubt he’s even on the market.

  96. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    And if Pedro did have a major league deal, does that make him ineligible for arbitration?

  97. NMR says:

    I’m gonna have to disagree, Ryan.

    Factoring in the years of control, how could a guy with a lifetime .850 OPS not fetch at least one top 100 prospect?

    Seeing as the Twins will be looking for pitching, I’d offer Owens and Heredia, but most likely it would take Owens and Taillon.

  98. JohninOshkosh says:


    Grizzled track handicappers will often say that gamblers should never bet on Maiden Races due to unreliable data. In the spirit of not biting on Sutton’s maiden race as a Pirate

    1. Place 50 on the under for Line 1 only.

  99. Arriba Wilver says:

    DK— I believe your Alvarez figures include more than bonus money. I think it was the total value of signing him. At least that’s my recollection. And I believe it allowed Boras to “claim” he got more for his boy than others did.

  100. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Owens I’d be ok with….top 100 guys, sure, that’s fine, especially considering the extra 2 years that I forgot about.

    I dont know if the Twins would be willing to trade him though. Don’t think they’d sign a guy for 3 years to trade before the 1st year is even finished……who knows though.

  101. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Please feel free to disagree. It doesn’t hurt my feelings and my opinions are subject to change…………

  102. North Cali Ryan,

    No. The Pirates have signed no Major League contracts. All their monies expended have been listed as “bonus.”

    Strasburg does not sign with the Nationals for $7.5 million——it took $15.1 mill.
    Harper does not sign for $6.25 million (less than Taillon’s $6.5 million)——it took all of $9.9 mill, or $10.9 million if you factor in the roster bonus money, which I tried to be fair and did not include).

    It sees crazy and misleading to not include all the financial commitments that Boras demanded to sign those two.

  103. Arriba Wilver says:

    Groat–yep, it does.

  104. @Playoffs, I’ll take 100 on #1 for the UNDER and 100 on #2 for the OVER. Thanks.

  105. Wilver Dornel,

    Pedro signed for $6 million on August 15.

    After complaints by Boras, Alvarez re-signed in October for $6.335 million, allowing Boras to claim the largest bonus for Alvarez over Buster Posey.

  106. jeffsbar says:


    Line 1 – 100 on the over
    Line 2 – 100 on the over

    Thank you

  107. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs – I have absolutely no idea what to do with today’s lines. Nada. Zilch.

    So give me 50 on both OVERS and please ask Lady Luck to be kind.

  108. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    They don’t get that other part of the contract until they are in the majors. If they were to bust or their arms falloff, they don’t get it……I think.

  109. Arriba Wilver says:

    Didn’t Drew Sutton hit a double last night?

  110. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    So…….if Pedro didnt get a ML contract and I think I recall the final outcome to be a minor league one, why is his salary listed at $2.2 million? Wouldn’t it be the $400k like most other prearbitration type of players?

    I’m not arguing this, just trying to understand it.

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    Groat—the numbers and timing are what I thought, but Frankie and Boras made a deal that was more complicated than just bonus money is my point.

  112. JAL says:


    Alvarez was signed to Major League contract $6 million bonus then salaries of $400,000, $500,000, $550,000 and $700,000 for time spent on the Pirates’ major league roster.$88,750 for years in the minor leagues.

  113. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Compared to Buster Posey’s $615k contract…..

  114. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Does that make him ineligible for arbitration? Would the Pirates have to extend him after his 1st four years?

  115. JAL says:

    or was the original contract that was pulled out of–not sure–

  116. JohninOshkosh says:

    Groat et al:

    I passed my Cost Accounting course in college years ago. Don’t make me relive them again. :)

  117. likeabugonarug says:

    @Playoffs – I think you missed mine from last night (#39 in game thread). Was 83 on the under.

    For tonight – please set me up on Line #1 with 66 on the under. Hopefully we’re going to score some runs against this pitching by committee, but have a feeling it will be spread out. Here’s hoping the Fort continues his hot hitting!

  118. JAL says:


    Not eligible for Arb. until 2014

  119. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    that’s the crap that I just went through. Funny how this puts all that in perspective. What is the FV of a player’s worth??

    Nightmares I tell you…….

  120. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    OK…Wasn’t sure how that worked if it was a ML contract. Still have Pedro for quit a few more years……

  121. JAL says:

    They have Pedro for $700,000 next season and in 2014

  122. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    ESPN has him listed at 2.2

  123. SlackBoss says:

    @playoffs – 75 over for line 1 & 50 on the over for line 2

    Let’s go Bucs

  124. JAL says:


    Major league contract means they have place him on the 40 immediately. Has nothing to do with arbitration and free agency. Those are determined by service time in the majors

  125. Arriba Wilver says:

    The 700k for 2013 and 2014 are team options, so if they don’t exercise them he is gone is how I interpret it (otherwise, why call them options). And of course they will.

  126. JAL says:


    Pedro’s salary is $2,050,000 this season, it the last season his signing bonus kicks in–was split into $1.5 million each of the 1st years of his contract.

  127. JAL says:

    that is each of the 1st 4 years

  128. JAL says:

    did more research, that was the orginal contact I listed above but that was voided and the actual contract was a minor league contract, not a major league one. i think I have that all right now.

  129. Arriba Wilver says:

    Oddly enough, in researching this, I saw where Jim Callis quoted FC as admitting the deal was done after the deadline, after initially denying it. FC told a fib????? Shocking!

    DK: You have a link, AW?

  130. dcpfjr says:

    Playoffs, first time player here. 100 on the under on both.

  131. bob hasis says:


    Ryan I know they all do that; please don’t state the obvious. I’m saying Castro drools, slobbers those seeds en masse out of his mouth.

    Far more disgustingly than spitting a single seed or two.

  132. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @Likeabug, sorry about that, it has been corrected, for tonight, you got it and good luck!!

    @dcpfjr, The Window welcomes you, you got it and good luck!!

    @stuart66, nate, hal smith, manny, Dcp, MarkV, Lawn, jaxbuc, John, Steve, jeffsbar, pattonbb & Slack, you got it and good luck!!

  133. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Sounds like any other ball player to me..must be a pet peeve of yours.

  134. bob hasis says:

    You know the possibility exists – strange as it may seem – that we may be in the driver’s seat with regard to making a deal. For 19 years we acted like paupers, seeking to divest ourselves of our property just to make a “grubstake”. I heard that in a western movie once.

    But this year we have something that others NEED, and we should be able to deal. Maybe!

  135. bob hasis says:

    Pay attention Ryan

  136. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Ha Ha Ha……….I avoid stupid comments usually, so sorry if I missed you condemning Castro for his lack of seed etiquette.

  137. RobertoForever says:


    Interesting lines to match the interesting lineup by Clint. This blog asked to #FreeDrewSutton – and Clint freed him to roam in LF, for a guy who has only 9 of his 84 ML games in the OF. Well, he can look at LF as a DEEEEEP play at SS, lol.

    While I believe the Battlin Bucs win this game handily, I don’t see those 4 guys hogging all the RBI’s. So I will go 75 on the under.

    As for Drew Sutton, playing in unfamiliar territory can be nerve-wracking, and can mess with a player’s hitting, so I will go with the unfamiliar team, and position, and go 20 on the under.

    Looking for a 7-3 win tonight. Let’s go Bucs!

  138. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Anndddd, away we go…..Let’s Go Bucs.

  139. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @Roberto, you got it and good luck!!

  140. OZ says:

    I’d like 25 on under if the window is still open, thx

  141. JRay3 says:

    This is a game we have to be able to capitalize on. Spot reliever making a start versus one of our aces. 1-2-3 not the start was hoping for though.

    I see there was talk about the Yankees losing Pettite for a minimum of six weeks, well add another team down a starter, Daniel Hudson of the Arizona Diamondbacks has a torn ligament in his elbow and most likely needs Tommy John surgery. And the Dbacks had already called up Trevor Bauer (former teammate of Cole) to start tomorrow.

  142. RobertoForever says:

    Just thinking out loud, but I think the Twins will have to be bowled over to trade Willingham. The Twins GM is Terry Ryan again, the guy who got a haul for AJ Pierzincski (?sp) back in the day. He retired, and the new GM (AJ Smith?) traded Johan Santana and got no one of impact from the trade.

    Terry Ryan is one of the top GM’s in the game, and he signed Willingham to replace Cuddyer/Kubel after they left. I don’t believe he is selling Willingham unless he gets a double-haul.

    Now Morneau on the other hand…….

  143. RobertoForever says:


    Don’t forget the Yankees already put CC Sabathia on the DL this morning BEFORE Pettite fractured his ank;le in the 5th inning today.

    I’ll bet they were wishing they could have kept AJ and motivated him the way the overlords of Da Burgh have worked their magic ;)

  144. RobertoForever says:

    I just looked at the DL list for the Phillies compared to the Pirates, and either they are using the convenience list like it was tissues, or they have had some terrible luck this year with injuries.

    {knocking on wood} – not trying to jinx the hometowners or anything, just really stark contrast.

  145. JRay3 says:

    Wow did I just see that right, a Pirates catcher threw out a runner attempting to steal…nice play Fort!

  146. Mikey with a CS on Pierre. Nice!

  147. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    No way……..I have GAMECAST up, turned away and Pierre disappeared….

    And Chase Utley welcomes himself back…………..

  148. Stupid ballpark. Guy is off all season and first AB is a HR. 1-0 we are down again.

  149. JRay3 says:

    Just unreal, it could have been worse as thankfully it was not a two run shot. Only other good news, watching the Phillies telecast and they said Utley will not play tomorrow in the afternoon finale.

  150. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I just called that in my office too, of course nobody here really cares about baseball, let alone the Pirates or Phillies.

  151. Eric Bowser says:

    McDonald is missing with the curve

  152. Eric Bowser says:

    Ruiz sits on fastball and boom

  153. Milo Hamilton says:

    Having fun yet ?

  154. JRay3 says:

    @ Steve – Really stupid ballpark, Ruiz solos shot and now down 2-0. SIGH!

  155. RobertoForever says:

    Nice CS by the Fort!

    Hope he builds on his offensive explosion last night as well.

  156. cosmo says:

    welcome back chase utley. Why do we keep pitching Ruiz?????

  157. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:



  159. JohninOshkosh says:

    This is where aces are made. JMac needs to regroup, buckle down and move on. Lot of game left.

  160. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @OZ, too late for tonight, sorry.

  161. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    This………….is not going well. Of course, that’s just stating the obvious.

  162. RobertoForever says:


    RE: J-Mac missing with his curve

    Gamecast is really wacky tonight so tough to tell. Appreciate the insight.

  163. Reading says:

    Not ready for Prime Time. Wilting in Philly.

  164. JohninOshkosh says:

    Not a fan of the 2 out runs.

  165. Eric Bowser says:

    @Roberto – It was all over the place with at least 3 pitches and next pitch, Ruiz was sitting dead red.

  166. JMB says:

    JMac must be missing Barajas. I havent done any research, but J-Mac seems to have really embraced AJ and Barajas. So I’d have to look at how many of J-Mac’s starts have been caught by Fort b4 tonight.

  167. cosmo says:

    Does not having Barajas catching tomorrow have any affect on AJ tomorrow?

  168. Milo Hamilton says:

    After 3 days of this, any thoughts of backing Chooch off the plate ? Just once ? Maybe ?

  169. JRay3 says:

    How about the Pirates just avoid the I-95 corridor.

    Need the bats to awaken here with the lead off walk.

  170. cosmo says:

    What was that

  171. Eric Bowser says:

    This team is beating itself in Philadelphia….

  172. RobertoForever says:


    I was wondering the same thing – how much Barajas is going to be missed behind the plate.

    Also, do we think the 120 pitches in the CG have anything to do with the start tonight? Hope J-Mac can reach deep and right this going forwar tonight.

  173. JRay3 says:

    Or let’s just give them an out, why did Casey give up the throw was very high he still had a chance. The sloppy play this series is getting old.

  174. Milo Hamilton says:

    Walker missed the hit & run ? That’s my guess.

  175. Let’s just give them an out AGAIN!

  176. twentytwo22 says:

    You’re facing a damn rookie on a damn last place team, stop looking like chumps.

  177. RobertoForever says:


    I would vote for that. Old school.

  178. twentytwo22 says:

    No idea what that was by Alvarez but his head wasn’t even in the at-bat.

  179. cosmo says:

    OK, Phils had a caught stealing and then hit BTB HR’S. Can Pedro tie it with 1 swing,
    Guess not.

  180. JRay3 says:

    Pedro AB – look at strike 1, look at strike 2, look at strike 3….can’t possibly do much with an AB if the bat sits on your shoulder.

  181. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Nice inspired at bat by Pedro. This team looks lost.

  182. Rookie getting the calls way off the plate for strike three on Pedro. Nice that he gets that call. Give it to JMac when he is pitching.

  183. Kevin says:

    Have not said it up to this point….time to pull the plug on Pedro (pardon the alliteration)

  184. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    All is well, Tabata got a hit………

  185. To give Pedro some credit, two of those strikes were outside including the 3rd one.

  186. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tim McClelland used to be a good umpire. During the Nixon administration.

  187. Kevin says:

    @ Steve

    I will defer…not watching. And it breaks my heart having even said that. However…

  188. JMB says:


  189. Eric Bowser says:

    Philly has Ruiz, Pirates have The Fort!!!!

  190. JRay3 says:


  191. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Now its time to head to the house to watch the game…………hopefully, things will change. Still early guys, we gotta chance.

  192. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Really? My GAMECAST is frozen……

  193. FORT!!!!!! 3-2 good guys now.

  194. cosmo says:

    WOW, Must be a catcher’s Ball Park

  195. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    See, he just needed me to question him yesterday……….if only it was that easy…and yes, that was a joke.

  196. twentytwo22 says:

    People want to release one of the few Pirates who have guts.

    Now stop running into outs for crying out loud. We’re all dying a little in this series so far.

  197. JRay3 says:

    Can’t believe they gave McKenry a pitch to hit with McDonald on deck, but I will take it. And to think yesterday Fort was getting some slack in this space.

  198. Reading says:

    Good! At least one guy is not intimidated.

  199. cosmo says:

    Now JMac needs to settle in

  200. JRay3 says:

    Cliff Lee to PH for Valdez who is chased after two innings, have to get to this bullpen tonight.

  201. JohninOshkosh says:

    That’s old school Charley! Cliff Lee pinch hitting.

  202. JRay3 says:

    Nice bounce back inning from J-Mac, maybe that will settle him in.

  203. JohninOshkosh says:

    Meant Charlie…

  204. cosmo says:

    Root just showed Cole getting hit last night. Scary

  205. cosmo says:

    @ Playoffs,

    I missed JHay’s first AB. Did he try to bunt?

  206. Arriba Wilver says:

    DK–sorry, on #129 earlier I was on my iPad and haven’t figured out how to link from there. Here is the link to the Jim Callis story where he says FC admitted the deal for Alvarez was done at 12:02:

  207. twentytwo22 says:

    That can’t happen with McCutchen at the plate, yet it continues.

  208. JRay3 says:

    @ twentytwo22 – I think in that situation just trying to be aggressive to steal the base and get the runner into scoring position for Cutch. With the lefty on the mound J-Hay was going on first movement and guessed wrong.

    In fact I think in the month of June the Pirates were in the top 3 of the league in SB’s.

  209. Officer Mancuso says:

    @Playoffs, maybe The Window should have a meta over/under on number of comments per game thread. This would be especially fun on days when a cackling columnist tosses a Marte-bomb.

  210. Boise Bucco says:

    I can’t watch the game tonight–why did Philly’s starter get pulled already? I know he gave up the HR to McHenry, but that doesn’t seem like anything to pull your starter for, especially after only 2 innings.

  211. likeabugonarug says:

    @Playoffs – Thanks for correcting. And not a problem. For all you do with this, I certainly am not going to complain.

  212. JRay3 says:

    @ Boise – The Phillies are going with their bullpen tonight to make a spot start due to both Lee and Hamels pitching in the DH Sunday. According to the Phillies broadcast team they were hoping for three innings from Valdes but the rough inning and pitch count got him the hook a little early.

  213. twentytwo22 says:

    That’s a blown Savery right there.

  214. JRay3 says:

    McGehee scorches one to the CF bushes for a solo shot! And Walker rips a double…here we go boys!

  215. twentytwo22 says:

    Thought Walker had a triple to the 398 sign in right center. :(

  216. Boise Bucco says:

    @JRay3 — Thanks! That’s an interesting decision…I guess it could be compared to Lincoln’s first or second start, when they understood that he wasn’t stretched out and could only give them maybe 4 innings max. But it’s still not something you see every day. I wonder if the Phillies would have taken this bullpen-start approach if they were facing the Braves or the Mets. It just makes me think that teams are still taking the Pirates lightly, if they would have a starter-by-committee to face them.

  217. twentytwo22 says:

    The type of player that the Pirates need is the kind of player that Tabata was as a rookie. But he isn’t that anymore and the Pirates can do without and Tabata can emo in AAA.

  218. Officer Mancuso says:

    Not your typical JMac outing but the Bucs R Rockin!

  219. cosmo says:

    Greg Brown was commenting on Tabata needing to step up his game and soon. Mentioned that he has 10 RBI’S on the year and 4 of them have come on HR’S. He promptly strikes out.

  220. JRay3 says:

    J-Mac with a two out hit and RBI, picks up Tabata after his poor AB.

  221. pattonbb says:

    J-Mac with an awesome at bat! Keep those runs coming.

  222. twentytwo22 says:

    I’ve heard MacLellen do radio interviews before and he is a good listen, but his Silent Bob routine behind the plate is barely tolerable.

  223. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Math was never a strong suit for The Window. I’m always happy when everyone on here can keep me honest.

  224. twentytwo22 says:

    Sounds like they’re playing good D tonight.

  225. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Just a head’s up…….

    The Window is lucky enough to have a job interview late tomorrow morning. Unfortunately it is going to interfere with the posting of tomorrow’s line.

    Therefore, the line for tomorrow’s game will be posted on THIS GAME THREAD no later than 10AM tomorrow.

    Would one of the kind souls here mind posting it over to the game thread for tomorrow’s game?
    It is kindly appreciated.

  226. JMB says:

    Good luck Playoffs!

  227. twentytwo22 says:

    One thing I noticed about Drew Sutton while reading the boxscore when he was in Tampa Bay was how many foul balls he hit. And foul balls are the key to extended at-bats, wearing down pitchers, and eventually getting a walk, or a good swing at a better strike.

  228. Kevin says:

    @Playoffs –

    Let me be one of the first to say…GOOD LUCK on the interview!

  229. cosmo says:

    I think Pedro must have wagered on the under for line 1 tonight.

  230. RobertoForever says:


    I add my good wishes to you as well. Knock em dead.

    Hope when you get the job you will still be able to make room for your awesome.contributions here.

  231. cosmo says:

    @ Playoffs

    Good luck with the interview my friend.

  232. twentytwo22 says:

    Maybe that will get the Tabata with swagger back. That’s what I want. He’s the answer to leadoff. But not if he’s going to cut himself.

  233. Keith says:

    Apparently Fort needs to be the man. He responds like gangbusters.

  234. cosmo says:

    the FORT comes thru again!!

  235. SlackBoss says:

    @ playoffs – break a leg at the interview – what kind of job? Bookie?

  236. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs let me be just another in line to wish you all the best tomorrow!

    Tabata a RBI, and the Fort continuing to fill in nicely for Barajas with his 4th RBi and lifting his avg to a respectable .244.

  237. Eric Bowser says:

    quick Neal, offer extension to McKenry. lol

  238. JRay3 says:

    The Phillies broadcast just flashed this stat across the screen:

    J-Mac is the only Pirate pitcher since 1900 to allow 3 ER or less in his first 14 starts….wow.

  239. @Playoffs, have a successful interview. Knock ‘um dead!

  240. Eric Bowser says:

    that’s the kind of inning you need from your best starter after the offense put together some runs in the half inning before.

  241. pattonbb says:

    @ Playoffs – Like the others, just want to say Good Luck. Hope it goes well for you.

  242. cosmo says:

    @ JRay3

    Brownie and Walk just said if JMac can run off a 6 or 7 game winning streak he should be in the Cy Young conversation.

  243. Boise Bucco says:

    I’m not really paying attention to the ballgame tonight, I’m “trying” to work on a paper…but I did notice that Tabata is quietly 2-3 right now…

  244. cosmo says:

    Sutton infield hit for the over on line 2.

  245. Sutton with that infield hit with the speed of JHay leads to the Over winning on #2.

  246. JRay3 says:

    And Sutton with infield hit and walk and delivers on the over. Every player in the lineup minus Alvarez with a hit tonight.

  247. twentytwo22 says:

    I love McCutchen but I want him to have a better at-bat with an 8-2 lead against a scrub reliever. Period.

  248. JRay3 says:

    @ Cosmo – Thanks for passing that info from the home broadcast along…just the thought of having a pitcher in contention for a Cy Young is awesome. Been a long time since Drabek in 1990.

  249. cosmo says:

    If it wasn’t for that awful outing in St Louis the same could be said for AJ.

  250. twentytwo22 says:

    You’re winning the game 8-2 and batting, YOU don’t want the game to be over. 3 terrible at-bats in gravy time. That is why the Pirates don’t score 15 runs in a game ever. It’s just one of those signs that show me the Pirates aren’t a winning team. I hope they score 5 runs in the last three innings to prove me wrong but that’s what I’m thinking when I see that.

  251. Officer Mancuso says:

    8-2? has been hacked. Without Pedro.

  252. Jandy says:

    Playoffs, good luck with the job interview tomorrow.
    I see I missed all the fun. But it’s all good, the boys are back on track!
    AW, bob and NMR, loved all your good-natured quibbles today :)

  253. Dcpinpgh says:

    @ playoffs

    Is running the line on here on your resume?

    If you want to give the interviewer 1000 fake points…..

  254. bob hasis says:

    I’m laboring with a sneaking suspicion that Drew Sutton is not a fast runner, doesn’t have a great arm and is a mediocre fielder. I doubt if he can play SS in the manner we need. It looks like he understands the strike zone, which is so alien to Pedro, Jose and Barmes. Perhaps his hitting will help us.

    I reserve the right to change my opinion if necessary

  255. Reading says:

    Letting it slip away.

  256. JRay3 says:

    Rough night at the office for Pedro….have to finish this off, nine outs!

  257. JAL says:

    This is getting tight now, Phils keep coming.

  258. Officer Mancuso says:

    This team has the capability of playoffs this year.

  259. This horrible inning brought to you by the third baseman Pedro Alvarez.

  260. Arriba Wilver says:

    I hope this isn’t a semi replay of the Rooker “walk home” game.

  261. The boneheaded plays continue. This is getting out of control.

  262. Eric Bowser says:

    That’s why defense is important (McGehee & Tabata)

  263. Tabata gives them the next run. Would have scored anyway, but there are still NO OUTS. Game is about to be lost if the bullpen can’t start striking guys out. That is the only way they don’t score any more. The fielders basically don’t want to have their heads in the game right now.

  264. radio wave says:

    This is painful. Awful nigt for the pen!

  265. Eric Bowser says:

    Brutal, absolutely brutal.

  266. Jandy says:

    I don’t believe this :(

  267. Eric Bowser says:

    great slider by Lincoln on 0-1 pitch…

  268. Eric Bowser says:

    Wow, Lincoln!!!!!!!!!!!

  269. twentytwo22 says:

    Gave up 3 runs in a 6 out inning. GG.

  270. There we go Lincoln. 2 of 3 were strikeouts and the other a lazy flyout to preserve the lead. Now get some more runs to give Hammer some more cushion.

  271. Reading says:

    That was clutch!

  272. RobertoForever says:

    Brad Lincoln to the rescue!!! Good thing we didnt DFA him.

    3 straight outs including K’ing Pence and HOFer Thome.

  273. radio wave says:

    Good job lincoln. Time to regroup.

  274. pattonbb says:

    There’s that Brad Lincoln swagger! Great job of getting us out of that inning.

  275. JAL says:

    Defense is important and the pirates lack it in a couple of key areas. They have no true first baseman and they only have 1 really good defensive OF and that is CF

  276. Luckily Presley went or that would have been double play number 3 over the last two games for Barmes.

  277. Shawn says:

    If this team plays like this in St. Louis they will be swept badly with given how hot the Card’s hitters are right now, especially with the likes of Karstens and Correia going the first two games.If they don’t hold this lead and also win tomorrow, this is a team that will be at or below .500 by the time they come back to PNC next week and most likely will be 5-7 games back and pretty much the season will again be a lost cause. Sad part is they were basically handed this game with the Phil’s pitcher by committee strategy tonight and they still are staring down a loss. They’re just not talented enough to make any mistakes and win. I fear another collapse like last year is on the horizon should this one get away from them.

  278. Even extra-ordinary pitching cannot win if the boys don’t catch and throw the ball.

    New rule for Bucs: only 3 outs given per inning!!

  279. Sutton with the long double gets another run across.

  280. radio wave says:

    Sutton career night

  281. Kevin says:

    I’ll take the loss on that over under….DREW SUTTON

  282. Tim Neverett just gave his famous Home Run call . . . . .

    . . . . that he had to change to a double!!

  283. JRay3 says:

    Out at swim lessons with kids, but it appears Lincoln may have saved this one. And how about this Drew Sutton my phone tells me double and huge RBI!! Welcome back to the pen Brad and welcome to the team Drew!

  284. Cutch is Clutch with a 2-run blast.

  285. twentytwo22 says:

    Holy cow McLellen called that low and away pitch that Ruiz dropped a strike.. You guys HAVE to see that on replay if you get a chance. WOW. McCutchen says screw you! Nice

  286. Kevin says:


  287. MadTurk says:


    Plus he called him Drew Sucky in all his excitement

  288. hal Smith says:

    WOW what a game.

  289. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Ditto JRay except for the swim lessons.

  290. radio wave says:

    They’re heading to the exits.

  291. JRay3 says:

    CUTCH!! @ twentytwo22 – there are the add on runs you wanted!

  292. McGehee tried his hardest to get that OVER for the first line, but caught by Pierre. 11-7 good guys!!

  293. twentytwo22 says:

    If the Pirates win this game, replace Mays’ catch with the ugliness of this game.

    From Major league, !!!Strong Language!!!

  294. Boise Bucco says:

    So at this point, who are the pitchers of record?

  295. @Boise, it is actually still the starters that are the pitchers of record for the decisions.

  296. JohninOshkosh says:


    Just got back from swim lessons with the kids myself. Wild game we missed.

  297. Jandy says:

    that’s more like it!!!

  298. Hopefully the Phillies destroy their pen for tomorrows game.

  299. JohninOshkosh says:

    Going to be more than 300 posts on this game thread alone.

    You so crazy, Pirate fans!!

  300. Eric Bowser says:

    As much as the clutch performance by Andrew McCutchen and Brad Lincoln were badly needed in their spots tonight, this game is all about Michael McKenry and Drew Sutton.

    …what a catch by Cutch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  301. twentytwo22 says:

    Flaherty with the catch!

  302. Cutch showing why he should be on that All-Star team. Great catch!!

  303. JRay3 says:

    @ John – too funny and yes it appears so….Should be fun watching the highlights.

    Lincoln and Grilli restore order and all is peaceful once again, whew!

  304. JRay3 says:

    Can anyone describe the Cutch catch?

  305. @JRay, the ball was slicing to the right-center field gap and Cutch was shading in the left-center gap. He sprinted, and I do mean sprinted to catch that on the dive.

  306. JRay3 says:

    @ Steve – thanks

  307. Raise the Jolly Roger!! Get the split tomorrow AJ and guys!

  308. JRay3 says:

    In a wild affair tonight and behind 14 Pirate hits, the Fort with 4 RBI’s and Brad Lincoln slamming the door in the 7th to stop a Phillies rally in his first appearance since going back to the pen, the battling Buccos hold on to win 11-7 and there was nooooooooooo doubt about it.

    The Pirates will try to earn a series split and take the season series over the Phillies tomorrow afternoon when AJ Burnett takes the mound against Kyle Kendrick.

    The Bucs gain a game on both the Reds and Cardinals as they both take losses today. Let’s Go Bucs!

  309. Line #1 goes to the UNDER and Line #2 to the OVER tonight.

  310. twentytwo22 says:

    Family, pets, and possessions are fine as always. I am a Pirates fan. I’ve seen it all and I can take it all.

    Let’s get A.J. his 9th win and escape that hell hole 2-2. Goodnight all.

  311. JRay3 says:

    @ Steve – I have line 2 as Under- Cutch 2, McGehee 1, Walker 1 and Alvarez 0 RBI’s for total of 4 unless I’m missing something.

  312. JRay3 says:

    Oops forgot RBI was line 1 my mistake

  313. pattonbb says:

    ….fear the Bones….

  314. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    First off, thank you all for the well wishes. I’ll let you know how everything goes goes.

    Secondly, how bout the Buccos!! Great to get back in the win column. As for the lines, the UNDER squeaks out a win in Line #1, while the OVER takes line #2. Thanks to everyone who played. See you tomorrow.

    P.S. – I’ll have the line for Thursday’s game up on this thread by 10AM. If someone could re-post it to the Thursday game thread, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.

    JRay3 ** 1025
    dcpinpgh ** 875
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 700
    Nate83 ** 615
    pattonbb ** 600
    Mlrgenuine ** 585
    Steve J Smith ** 550
    radio wave ** 545
    Chico ** 450
    Slack Boss ** 435
    jeffsbar ** 400
    JohninOshkosh ** 400
    cosmo ** 380
    Evan ** 353
    JMB ** 350
    likeabugonarug ** 332
    MarkV ** 330
    manny_sanguine ** 300
    RobertoForever ** 290
    Officer Mancuso ** 280
    JaxBuc ** 270
    cmat0829 ** 250
    bman ** 220
    DemonDachshund ** 210
    crkkid ** 175
    OZ ** 150
    stuart66 ** 145
    lckythump ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    tmp444 ** 30
    Milo Hamilton ** 25
    JUCOfan ** 25
    Hal Smith ** EVEN
    NMR ** EVEN
    Dan1283 ** EVEN
    dcpfjr ** EVEN
    Arriba Wilver ** -10
    Boise Bucco ** -50
    lawnbeaver ** -100
    JD ** -100
    Mike C. ** -100
    bob hasis ** -125
    Bizrow ** -130
    buggee ** -200
    GlassHalfFull ** -305
    Kevin ** -550
    TDB1977 ** -740

  315. The Gunner says:

    @ bob hasis – 43

    Bob – I was so upset that Joggin’ Joe Tabata was in the lineup that I had to make an emergency appointment with my psychiatrist that ran longer than I expected. That’s why I didn’t post anything after 3:30. At least JJ went 2 for 5 however, I did see him botch a fly ball (kinda like I used to do in Little League.)

    Glad to see the Bucs held on and won – we need to make it 2 in a row this afternoon.

  316. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    One kind soul, please re-post this in the Thursday Game Thread. Thank you

    Early day today. Let’s open the window!!

    Today’s OVER / UNDER (always just for fun of course)

    Total Innings Pitched by A.J. Burnett
    Line is 6.75
    (If A.J. Burnett pitches 7 innings the OVER wins, anything less than that, the UNDER wins)

    Anyone can play!! Everyone should TRY!! What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!


    JRay3 ** 1025
    dcpinpgh ** 875
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 700
    Nate83 ** 615
    pattonbb ** 600
    Mlrgenuine ** 585
    Steve J Smith ** 550
    radio wave ** 545
    Chico ** 450
    Slack Boss ** 435
    jeffsbar ** 400
    JohninOshkosh ** 400
    cosmo ** 380
    Evan ** 353
    JMB ** 350
    likeabugonarug ** 332
    MarkV ** 330
    manny_sanguine ** 300
    RobertoForever ** 290
    Officer Mancuso ** 280
    JaxBuc ** 270
    cmat0829 ** 250
    bman ** 220
    DemonDachshund ** 210
    crkkid ** 175
    OZ ** 150
    stuart66 ** 145
    lckythump ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    tmp444 ** 30
    Milo Hamilton ** 25
    JUCOfan ** 25
    Hal Smith ** EVEN
    NMR ** EVEN
    Dan1283 ** EVEN
    dcpfjr ** EVEN
    Arriba Wilver ** -10
    Boise Bucco ** -50
    lawnbeaver ** -100
    JD ** -100
    Mike C. ** -100
    bob hasis ** -125
    Bizrow ** -130
    buggee ** -200
    GlassHalfFull ** -305
    Kevin ** -550
    TDB1977 ** -740

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:
    (1) 2012 Topps Roberto Clemente Card

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