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On location: Pirates 13, Giants 2

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (47-37) vs. San Francisco Giants (46-39)

Time: 1:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. San Francisco RHP Tim Lincecum

  1. Drew Sutton, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Casey McGehee, 1B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. A.J. Burnett, RHP


  1. Sammich says:

    I thought ESPN America was going to torture its viewers with a weekend full of Red Sox vs. Yankees. But they are showing the Pirates-Giants game today. And they even spelled McCutchen correctly.

  2. Sammich says:

    Hey, who is this #DREWSUTTON guy? Looks awesome.

  3. Drew71 says:

    Entering this game standing at 47-37, the Pirates have played 84 with 78 remaining.

    Should they finish the season at 34-44, the Pirates end the 19 year losing streak and reach 81 wins (and losses).

    Should they finish the season at 35-43 or better, the Pirates begin a winning streak, earning at least 82 wins.

    Every streak begins with one.

  4. JAL says:

    Regular ESPN has Yanks and Red Sox–again. A visitor to the US would think MLB only has 3 or 4 teams.

  5. Kevin says:

    Think ESPN had anything to do with the new MLB CBA? I just have an intense dislike for that network…

  6. Dave says:

    Dejan, Love the blog and have a few questions for you

    1. Hypothetically. If the Pirates would make the playoffs or break .500 this year, do you believe that the team would be able to build off of it for the future thanks to incoming help from the farm along with Pirates management following through on their promise of paying some vets to help keep te team in contention for a few years? Or do you believe that this team would be just a one season winner like the 2003 Royals?

    DK: They’re not built the same as those Royals, so no. This is a younger team. It would help.

    2. If the Pirates would finish over .500 would that make Huntington one of the bright young minds today in MLB even though he’s been criticized quite a bit the last couple of years for the Pirates lack of execution on some fronts?

    DK: Check Joe Starkey’s column today for exactly that topic. I’ll defer.

    3. Final question is whether or not you’ve heard anything on the Appel front? If the Pirates were to fail signing him would MLB give them extra cash in next season’s draft to compensate for the extra 1st round draft choice?

    DK: If we ever hear anything news-related, we won’t keep it a secret. I wrote a column on the topic a couple weeks back, and that’s been it. Not sure about the cash.

  7. Bizrow says:

    We need this one today. It will make the next 4 baseball-less days more tolerable.

    Got no new signups to the Nation last night.

    If you don’t see your current place of residence on this list, please post where you currently reside.


    Dejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
    Arizona – Tucson, Chandler, Phoenix, Sunnyslope
    Arkansas – Rogers
    Austrailia – Mackay
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles, Newport Beach, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Yuba City
    Canada – Toronto
    China – Singapore
    Colorado – Ft Collins, Estes Park, Denver, Boulder
    Connecticut – Cos Cob, Bridgeport, Wallingford
    Costa Rica
    Czech Republic
    Delaware – Newark
    District of Columbia
    Florida – Palm Harbor, Orlando, Valrico, Gainesville, Daytona Beach, Oviedo, Tampa, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Palm Beach Gardens, Cape Coral, Coco Beach (Major Nelson and Mary Ann)
    Georgia – Marietta, Atlanta, Sandy Springs
    Germany – Leverkusen/Cologne
    Hawaii – Honolulu
    Idaho – Mountain Home, Coer d’Aline
    Indiana – Indianapolis, Burns Harbor, South Bend
    Iowa – Bettendorf, Humboldt
    Illinois – La Salle, Peru, Payson, Chicago, Palatine (3 inmates there), Lincoln Park, Grayslake, Lincoln Park, Algonquin
    Japan – Tokyo
    Kentucky – Louisville, Bowling Green, Lexington
    Louisiana – Slidell
    Maine – Bangor
    Maryland – Arnold, Odenton, Severn, Baltimore, Waldorf
    Massachusetts – Boston
    Michigan – Kalamazoo, Eaton Rapids, Lansing
    Mississippi – Biloxi
    Mountain Home AFB*
    Nebraska – Omaha
    New Hampshire – Barrington
    New Jersey – Chesterfield, Princeton, Roxbury, Lebanon, Lincoln Park, Berkeley Heights, Somerville
    New York – New York, Smithtown, Manhattan
    North Carolina – Asheville, Hickory, Charlotte, Raleigh, Charleston, Wilmington, Chapel Hill
    North Dakota
    Ohio – Cincinnati, Columbiana, Westerville, Green, Hilliard, Toledo, Louisville, Columbus, Perrysburg, Pickerington, Youngstown, Cleveland, Olmsted Township, Liberty Township, Warren, Oregon
    Pennsylvania – Downtown, Hopewell, Indiana, North Wales, Franklin Park, Forest Hills, Lansdale, Philadelphia, Du Bois, Reading, Crafton, Arnold, Wexford, Mt Lebanon, Canonsburg, Lancaster, Huntington, York, Boiling Springs, Philly suburbs, Morningside, Harrisburg, Lawrenceville, Bradfordwoods, Norristown, Hanover, Clearfield, Sewickley, DuBois, Plum Boro, Slippery Rock, Wilks-Barre, Sharpsville, Bessemer, Greensburg, Washington, Imperial, South Side, Duncansville, Newville, Sheppton, Grove City, Butler, Allentown, Ross Township, Blairsville, Flood City (Johnstown), Overbrook, Danny’s Hoagies, Baldwin, Economy, Sharpsville, Erie, North Huntington, Bellfonte, West Mifflin, Kennywood, Pleasant Hills, Beechview (Mad Turk, No 200), Macgunie
    The Phillipines
    Rhode Island
    South Carolina – Duncan, Longs, Columbia
    South Korea – Seoul, Mike
    Tennessee – Smithville, Nashville
    Texas – Tyler, San Antonio, Belton
    Utah – Salt Lake City
    Vermont – North Bennington
    Virginia – JAL, Hampton, Rescue, Richmond, Front Royal, Woodbridge, Suffolk, Warrenton, Springfield, Virginia Beach, Fairfax, Arlington, Yorktown, Henrico
    Washington – Seattle, Nine Mile Falls, Spokane, Sammamish
    West Virginia – Martinsburg, Morgantown
    Wisconsin – Madison, Oshkosh, Hortonville

    207 locations represented in the blog,
    10 countries
    38 states, plus the District of Columbia
    Two planets, at least confirmed
    7/8/2012 11:21 AM

  8. JohninOshkosh says:

    The Fam and I went to a community festival last night. I wore my McCutchen jersey. Per usual, I was the only one of thousands wearing Pirate wear (but, as usual, I saw a number of Steelers shirts). But, not per usual, a few kind folks invited conservation by saying “How about those Pirates!” and the like. Perhaps, the first time that has happened to me.

    This is fun.

  9. Bizrow says:


    You ain’t seen nuttin yet, if they hang in there, wait till September

  10. JohninOshkosh says:

    *conversation* obviously.

  11. RobertoForever says:


    Have had similar experiences in NC and Central OH. Had one guy start talking about the 70’s Columbus minor league team that was the affiliate of the Pirates. Couldn’t get him to stop talking about his old Pirates memories.

  12. Mike C. says:

    ~yeah~ day game means i get to watch it ~yeah~

    fellow outa-towners, if someone needs a stream for the game, I can point you to where to watch a semi-legal feed.
    again not sure if it’s ok to post it here in the blog.

  13. radio wave says:

    Am I the only one concerned that Amac has been selected to participate in the home run derby?
    There is always a risk of injury, and many previous participants have had miserable second halfs, and in retrospect blamed it on the derby.

  14. JohninOshkosh says:

    @radio wave

    A lot of us here are concerned. RF posted about it yesterday. I think Adam Dunn and Josh Hamilton have both complained in the past that it messed with their timing. It is a good opportunity for Andrew to showcase his talents nationally (as noted earlier ESPN doesn’t know Pittsburgh exists) but I will be keeping my fingers crossed.

  15. Kevin says:

    Just checking Biz’ list…wondering who the Crafton contributor is?

  16. Mike C. says:

    Is it wrong for me to hope Cutch doesn’t make the cut out of the 1st round?
    so less swings – (though unproven) less likely chance of an ill after effect.
    I don’t want any of the Buccos players taking unnecessary chances this year.

  17. JMB says:

    Upton, Marte, & Cutch….that would be awesome!

    Jamo, Tabby, Presley would be my wish list, or would it take Jamo, Grossman, and ?

  18. DemonDachshund says:

    Starting to like the idea of getting Upton for the next 1.5 years and then flipping him right before his $14M+ years kick in if needed.

  19. Bizrow says:

    Upton is too expensive, both in talent cost and salary, it would tie their hands, IMHO

  20. pattonbb says:

    You’re not wrong Mike C. I’m with you. J Bay had a very strong second half after whiffing in his homerun derby experience. Are we bad fans for hoping Cutch doesn’t last too long? No way. Don’t even want to think where we’d be if Cutch wasn’t having the season he is.

    espn is a joke. I used to really like Joe Morgan and Jon Miller on Sunday Night Baseball. When that ended, I quit watching. Just can’t take it anymore. Maybe I’m getting old.

    Thank God for the internet.

  21. Drew71 says:

    patton – you misspelled Gore

  22. DemonDachshund says:

    From what the article says, the Dbacks want guys ready to go in the next year or two. That pretty much means Marte + one of the AAA pitchers, probably more. 3.5 years of control on him, but those last two years are would commit roughly 20% of even a $70M payroll to one guy each year.

    Quentin can probably be had without giving up any of the big name guys, but he’s purely a rental.

  23. Cmat0829 says:

    Trading for Upton will likely require Taillon or Owens, Marte and another prospect.

  24. The Czar says:

    I like the reports of the Pirates being active and doing their due diligence.
    I say Justin Upton is worth the risk.
    Imagining an OF of Marte, Cutch and Upton would be awesome and probably the best in NL.
    Maybe we could offer Jamo, Gorkys and Tabata? Or is that too much optimism?

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  25. Curt says:

    I like the reports of the Pirates being active and doing their due diligence.
    I say Justin Upton is worth the risk.
    Imagining an OF of Marte, Cutch and Upton would be awesome and probably the best in NL.
    Maybe we could offer Jamo, Gorkys and Tabata? Or is that too much optimism?

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  26. JRay3 says:

    I think the article on the Pirates interest in adding a bat brings up one big point, if the Bucs don’t add a bat to protect Cutch soon team will not pitch to him.

    If this FO were to pull off a move for someone like Upton who still has multiple years of control that would be a true game changer. Upton has the ability to put up MVP type numbers himself and is a five tool player, he would be the one type of player that you could be willing to give up a Tallion and other prospects for.

    The way I see it an Upton type move is an all-in move, a Quentin type move is a I hope it works out move, it might it might not as he is inconsistent and prone to slumps.

  27. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Brief and to the point (love ya DK!!). Let’s open the window (but don’t let the cold air out)!!

    Today’s OVER / UNDER (always for fun of course)

    Total Runs Scored by the Pirates Today
    Line is 4.5


    54 Current Participants!!
    If you haven’t played yet, what are you waiting for??!!??
    Anyone can play!! Everyone should TRY!!
    What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!

    pattonbb ** 1400
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 1400
    Mlrgenuine ** 1100
    Nate83 ** 1015
    Chico ** 1005
    JRay3 ** 1000
    dcpinpgh ** 950
    Steve J Smith ** 750
    radio wave ** 745
    Evan ** 528
    RobertoForever ** 500
    Slack Boss ** 435
    manny_sanguine ** 400
    cosmo ** 400
    crkkid ** 375
    JMB ** 350
    dcpfjr ** 350
    DemonDachshund ** 310
    likeabugonarug ** 307
    jeffsbar ** 300
    MarkV ** 300
    JohninOshkosh ** 300
    JD ** 300
    JaxBuc ** 260
    Naje ** 250
    cmat0829 ** 250
    stuart66 ** 200
    milo66 ** 200
    Officer Mancuso ** 180
    OZ ** 150
    lawnbeaver ** 150
    tmp444 ** 130
    Bizrow ** 120
    lckythump ** 100
    Absolute59 ** 100
    Kevin S ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    bman ** 40
    JUCOfan ** 25
    Hal Smith ** EVEN
    NMR ** EVEN
    Dan1283 ** EVEN
    Mike C. ** EVEN
    Drew 71 ** EVEN
    Milo Hamilton ** -75
    Boise Bucco ** -100
    buggee ** -100
    Petro Steel ** -100
    Pants-n-at ** -100
    Arriba Wilver ** -135
    Kevin ** -250
    GlassHalfFull ** -305
    bob hasis ** -325
    TDB1977 ** -840

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:
    (1) 2012 Topps Roberto Clemente Card

  28. JMB says:


    100 on the OVER plz.


  29. jeffsbar says:


    100 on the over.


  30. DemonDachshund says:

    @Playoffs –

    I’m already on the line for 100 with the line being 5.5, so I’ll double down and put 100 on the OVER.

    Lincecum gave up 7 in his last start, and the Bucs have been mashing.

  31. Kevin says:

    Averaging 6.9 over the last 11 games…only 3 yesterday??? Another good line. Going against Big Time Timmy Jim with an ERA over 6…
    I say we get to him early and often.

    Please give me 100 on the OVER for today, Playoffs. And thanks, as always.

  32. JMB says:

    I would NOT give up Marte or Cole, but Jamo, Tabby, Grossman, Presley and one of the Indy SP’s for sure (or toss in a Jeff Clement & Meek as part of the deal if they help). A mixture of quantity & quality.

  33. Salquake says:

    Add Salem, Ohio to the list

  34. Bizrow says:

    Playoffs, 100 nuclear nuggets on the OVAH

    We lunatics will sleep well tonight

    Thanks, as per usual, my friend

  35. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Would not want Upton, either Justin or his older brother B.J., who I believe Justin will eventually be like, and who is not, nor has ever been all that good.

    I am more interested in a good hitting veteran who knows who to win. That would be Shane Victorino. Especially if we are just getting a rent-a-player to lighten the rest of the players’ burden for this season and on through the World Series.

    Of all the players I’ve heard mentioned, Victorino is the one player I would jump at a chance to get. He could be the ‘Bill Madlock’ we need and do wonders for this line-up.

    Just as well, Starling Marte could be the exciting Omar Moreno we are lacking.

  36. Mlrgenuine says:


    Betting with my heart today…. a big 100 on the OVER.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  37. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Personally I don’t see a deal for Upton happening, and here is why:

    When 2014 and 2015 come around, does anyone realistically see this team devoting a massive amount of it’s payroll to only 2 players (McCutchen and Upton)?

    Just doesn’t seem realistic to me. To be honest I see the Pirates going after a:

    Willingham / Quentin / Victorino / Hunter type player for the outfield
    Dempster / Rodriguez / Liriano type for the rotation
    and I would hope another proven lefty arm for the bullpen

    As always just my thoughts.

  38. radio wave says:

    at playoffs:
    As I watch my score continue to drop, I’m changing my strategy.
    I was swinging for the home run, posting 100 gambles in an attempt to reach the leaders.
    Now it’s time to stop the bleeding, a suicide squeeze attempt today.
    2 points on the over.
    Beat the freak
    go bucs.

  39. TDB1977 says:

    I’ll take 100 on the Under.

  40. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @JMB, jeffsbar, Demon, Kevin, Bizrow, MLr, Radio and TDB……….

    THANK YOU, you got it and good luck!!

  41. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @radio, The Window likes the strategy!!

  42. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs, 100 imaginary units on the UNDER.

  43. JohninOshkosh says:


    50/Under. Gracias.

  44. Mike C. says:

    i can’t catch up if everyone is going in all in on the Over today
    oh wth,

    @playoffs – Please put me down for 100 on the OVER. thanx

    glad i got my play in b4 i passed out

  45. Drew71 says:

    I think the possibility of Upton (very limited) has to do with the organization’s view of Marte.

    Arizona wants major league ready prospects, not guys in Single or Double A no matter how promising. So for AZ, that probably means a package centered around Marte.

    If the Pirates think Marte has Upton-ish ceiling, why would they do that?

    If the Pirates think Marte is a nice player but with a much lower ceiling, better to trade him now at the top of his prospect value…before others figure out he is just a nice player.

    I have no idea what Marte’s ceiling is. It’s not my job to know it. But I suspect the Pirates think that ceiling is very high. In which case, they are not going to give up a cheaper, younger, completely-under-control Upton-like player for Upton.

    Related tangent: At a Spring Training game this year, an American League scout was following the Pirates, and had been for most of the spring games. He was informing his bosses, to the point of annoyance according to his wife, that he thought that Marte was a potential star. Not just nice but potentially an All Star. His opinion, but he’s paid to make those kinds of opinions. (And yes, I got that directly, for whatever it is worth, considering the scout, according to the wife, is in the bowels of their organization.)

    Doesn’t mean that’s what the Pirates think. But I think I think they, um, think that.

  46. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – Good Sunday to you. How about we head into the break winners of our 17th series this year and in sole possession of first place!

    I feel this is a bit of a trick line because it would be easy to look at Lincecum’s ERA and struggles and assume he will het lit up.

    However, if you loom at the numbers half of the starters in today’s game- Cutch, McGehee, Barajas, Barmes have gone 4-52 against Tim lifetime for a .077 AVG. Couple that with Tim’s 101K’s in just over ninety innings of work and this points to not being a great matchup for the Pirates.

    I will play 100 on the UNDER.

    Time for AJ to out pitch Tim and send the Bucs into the break 11 over .500…Let’s Go Bucs!

  47. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Not looking forward to Cutch in the HR derby either. Agree that it will mess with his timing, and could even get him injured. It’s happened to other hitters in the past.
    I wish he’d turned it down, am now I hope he gets eliminated immediately.

    To clarify my earlier comment about Justin Upton. His older brother B.J. was once the top young hitter in the nation, but his skillset has quickly eroded with age. His fielding was never good, and why he quickly was moved off of shortstop where he made like 50+ errors in the minors..
    I just feel that Justin will follow suit because he is from the same family and make-up. I expect him to be half the player he has been by the time he hits his 30’s. I’d like to see him prove me wrong.

    Pirates can’t just get a good hitter, they need a player who is a winner, a veteran who will not make youthful mistakes. If I am putting my eggs all in one basket, Shane Victorino is that man. For a half-season’s work, he would come cheaper than most others right now.

  48. Drew71 says:

    I hope Cutch wins it.

  49. JMB says:

    I agree Drew!

    If Marte is a younger, cheaper Upton, then there’s no reason to make a deal centered around him.

    We have to keep Marte & Cole.

  50. JMB says:

    Ken Laird ‏@Ken_Laird
    Neal Huntington: “We won’t mortgage the future for the present, I know the fans don’t want to hear that…”

    So no trades of note then?

  51. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    If I have to listen to that potatoe-potahtoe commercial one more time…….uggghhhhh

  52. cosmo says:

    @ Playoffs

    let me have 100 on the over please.

    Gotta Believe!!!!


  53. Drew71 says:

    JiMBo, it would not take a mortgage-future package to get a one year rental such as Quentin.

  54. JRay3 says:

    Earlier this week I was listening to the Dan Patrick show and he was discussing the HR Derby with Kevin Millar and he stated he did not think participatiion in the derby has any impact on performance as he says it is common practise at the end of BP each day with teams where players do it or attempt to hit bombs etc. He felt it became more of an excuse for veterans to be able to decline.

    I am with you @Drew I hope Cutch wins it, National stage both for he and the Pirates and I hope he shines.

  55. RobertoForever says:


    Interesting line today. I already have units on the under for the series, so this is a chance to go all in for the under or hedge my bets. Then again, if I bet the over, and the Pirates get 5 runs, then I win both bets.

    So, I think I will try for the impossible 7-10 split of over/unders and bet the over for 100.

    Bucs win 5-3.

  56. cmat0829 says:

    100 on the OVER please.. watching Lincecum now makes all the draft dissing teams did about him and his body/frame and throwing motion (read: big risk) make more sense….

    As to the trade possibilities, if I am Dealin’ Neal my priority #1 is grabbing Shane Victorino…good D, can bat leadoff, veteran presence, plays with energy and an “edge”… priority #2 is a veteran starting pitcher for rotation depth… priority #3 is a veteran bench presence, utility infielder type who could also start at SS if need be (Scutaro).

    Upton is appetizing but you need to understand how the Pirates will build their team and payroll in a few years… Cutch and Pedro, to some extent Walker, and the young arms are who the Bucs will build around… the rest of the team will be young guys (Marte, Bell, etc.) and lesser price vet pickups.

  57. cosmo says:

    Hope Cutch represents well. Don’t want to a repeat of Jason Bay.

  58. Thundercrack says:

    “I think Adam Dunn and Josh Hamilton have both complained in the past that it messed with their timing.”

    When did Adam Dunn ever have timing? [ :-) ]

  59. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    The hitters need to be patient with Lincecum today, but not too patient. He has had problems with control, so patience is important. But when a guy is struggling to get it over the plate, he is also very vulnerable to possibly grooving some big fat pitches to hit out of the park.

  60. cosmo says:

    that should have been , I don’t want to see a repeat of Jason Bay

  61. Thundercrack says:

    Imagine if the Pirates didn’t sign McCutchen to the long term deal during Spring Training.

    Can you imagine what the price tag for that young man might be now?

    And I would love to hear the “I told you we should have signed him” argument that would have gone on between NH, FC, and Bob Nutting.

    Did DK write a column about that, that I should go back and reference? Or should I defer to Starkey too?

    DK: Great point, TC. Oh, and the reason I’ve “deferred to Starkey” is that today is his column day, and that was his topic. There’s mutual respect on stuff like that, trust me.

  62. Thundercrack says:

    If in the future we have to trade Cutch, I certainly don’t want a repeat of Jason Bay.


  63. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @pattonbb, John, Mike C, JRay, cosmo and Roberto…….

    THANK YOU, you got it and good luck!!

  64. JRay3 says:

    Just read courtesy 24/7 at the Trib the Bucs rotation coming out of the break will be J-Mac, Correia, AJ, Karstens and Bedard. Using Correia to split up two like pitchers in J-Mac and AJ

    That means I will see Bedard pitch out in Colorado….that could be a long night, just wonder if it could be his last start?

  65. Naje says:


    100 fake units on the over 4.5 runs today, please… thank you.

  66. JD says:

    Playoffs – 50 on the over please.

    Go Bucs!

  67. Drew71 says:

    “Or should I defer to Starkey too?”

    I see we have a new Snidely.


    Cause the other one is Nameless now.

  68. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Hurdle (in his pre-game interview) says they think they found something with Bedard. He didn’t specify, but probably a hitch or maybe he’s telegraphing pitches to the hitters. His next start will be interestting.

  69. Drew71 says:

    Unfortunately his last four or so starts have also been “interesting”

  70. JRay3 says:

    That was big AJ…get out of the extended inning after Barmes / Sutton mishap.

  71. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @cmat, Naje and JD…..

    THANK YOU, you got it and good luck!!

  72. Pig Legs Robinson says:


  73. JohninOshkosh says:

    HR Derby time!!!!!!

  74. pattonbb says:


  75. JRay3 says:

    MVP, MVP, MVP…. Cutch two run bomb…wow

  76. TDB1977 says:

    Keep pitching to him guys. Some day you will learn that you will need to pitch someone else. Until then, we will reap that benefits of the excellence we see at the plate!

  77. JMB says:


    Cutch & PRNW!

    I read this from Starkey’s column:
    Huntington — “But I was told by a few peers that we would have been better off inheriting an expansion team than what we had. That was some in the industry’s perception of the Pirates organization at that time.”

    How many expansion teams would have had a potential MVP in the minors?

  78. JRay3 says:

    All the more reason why NH better seriously consider getting some protection behind Cutch, don’t want the bat taken out of his hands.

  79. JohninOshkosh says:

    Smoke em if you got em, Timmy. With the Pirate hitting going so well, it might seem like a long time to go until its 4:20.

  80. Mike C. says:

    just WOW
    I have absolutely no regrets for staying up now (3am here)

  81. JohninOshkosh says:

    It would be an interesting test of the so called “East Coast Bias” if an MVP vote was held today. Would David Wright get more votes than Cutch?

  82. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    I had a feeling Rod Barajas wanted to get into the act today with his partner McKenry banging the ball all over the place.

  83. JMB says:

    I’ve seen a lot of Cutch love for MVP.

    For MVP, I think it comes down to who wins their respective division.


    Votto 186

    Cutch 179

    Wright 179

  84. Boise Bucco says:

    As far as MVP voting goes, maybe DK could help us out with a little gentle politicking…

    All he’d have to do is write something along the lines of “first serious Pirate MVP candidate since Barry Bonds” and let the national hate of Bonds take over. :)

  85. JMB says:


  86. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    How good has Walker looked at the plate the last 2 weeks?

  87. Boise Bucco says:

    Holy crap NRNW is on fire

  88. DemonDachshund says:

    I wonder when the longterm deal with Walker will happen.

  89. Drew71 says:

    Didn’t this pitcher used to be Tim Lincecum?

  90. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    I wanted to see lumber today and the Bucs are doing it nicely.
    Neil Into the steaming shrubbery!

  91. Boise Bucco says:

    *PRNW…my keyboard is obviously not on fire

  92. JRay3 says:

    Walker now 22-47 in last 13 games a .468 torrid pace…double and HR for the Pittsburgh Kid who is now hitting .284 up 32 points from June 26.

  93. JMB says:

    I like that sign:

    “Dude, Where’s my pennant?”

  94. Arriba Wilver says:

    On Cutch doing the Derby: despite my wish that he wouldn’t have been invited, I certainly don’t think he should have declined once asked. And on the report the messing with your timing is a myth? We’re Pirate fans, we have to worry about this stuff. And Cutch is happy about it, so I’m happy about it, now, and will root for him to do well. And what a, not surprisingly from what we know of Cutch, classy move to invite his High School coach to pitch to him.

  95. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    3 weeks ago Pedro would have alligator armed that catch attempt. Good to see him going all out now.

  96. Thundercrack says:

    I trust you.

    But I also think you could have given your opinion AND invited the person to check out Starkey’s column

    And ease up on the caps lock

  97. Arriba Wilver says:

    Walker for MVP runner up!

  98. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    A.J. Burnett Knocks in his first Pirate run!

  99. JRay3 says:

    Ha Burnett doing the “Z” after his RBI single, this team is having fun!

  100. JohninOshkosh says:

    Lets just get this out of the way now:

    MVP: McCutchen
    Cy Young J-Mac
    Executive of the Year: NH

    Awards to be held at Las Vegas. Either Nicklblack or Maroon 5 (they are the same band, right?) will perform.

  101. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    This would be a nice thank you to A.J., right before the break, to give him a game he can just coast through rather than have to sweat. Just what I was hoping for, and he helps the cause out in a fun way.

  102. JohninOshkosh says:

    Those 12 year old Pirate fans Root Sports shows have no idea….

  103. Boise Bucco says:

    Dear Giants management; please send Lincecum to wherever Charlie Morton and Brandon Beachy are hanging out. He’s way too good of a pitcher to have his career ended by arm troubles. I love seeing the Bucs get a good lead, but there’s just something wrong with Lincecum.

  104. Bizrow says:

    Who are these guys????

  105. Arriba Wilver says:

    Loved seeing the Z from AJ!

  106. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    And with that the Bucs cover the OVER today, and it’s only the 4th inning. AMAZING!! Thanks to all who played today and this weekend. Final weekend results will be posted after the game ends.

    Also, if DK posts a thread for the HR Derby and All-Star Game, there will be corresponding lines for each day.


  107. DemonDachshund says:

    That also clinches the over for the 13.5 runs for the weekend.

    The third over of 1.5 wins is looking pretty good right now as well.

  108. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Jeremy Affeldt is another with control trouble in the past vs. Pirates. Stay patient on him and he might groove one eventually.

  109. Boise Bucco says:

    When Alvarez eventually puts one into the river, do they start calling it “Pedro’s Pond?”

  110. pattonbb says:

    That’s the NL’s All-Star starting 3b?

  111. TDB1977 says:

    Evan Pedro knows to throw to first on that play,

  112. RobertoForever says:


    You forgot Clint Hurdle as Coach of Year and Pedro as Comeback POY

  113. RobertoForever says:

    Walker is a triple shy of cycle? Awesome!

  114. JohninOshkosh says:



  115. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Nice hit by Casey, but the groin pull means we don’t see him again til August. Welcome to semi-regular at-bats Matt Hague.

  116. Drew71 says:

    Wow. 99 degrees. You’d think it was Pittsburgh or something.

  117. JRay3 says:

    Costly Two RBI single for Casey…hope that is not a serious injury….break coming at great rime for this squad.

  118. JRay3 says:

    The Pirates making the Giants look like a bad baseball team.

  119. JRay3 says:

    Time for Clint to clear the bench and get our guys out and starting their break early…put in Hague, Mercer, Harrison.

  120. Arriba Wilver says:

    Maybe over the break we can have lessons on the proper use of the Zoltan. Other than the players, just about everyone shown has been having the right hand on top.

  121. JMB says:

    Who’s getting tattoos over the break?

    “What’s mine say?”

  122. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m getting nipple rings.

  123. Thundercrack says:

    During the All-Star break I seriously hope that the people at Root Sports take a look at the way the broadcast Pirate games.

    All these crowd shots while the game is going on is just way too much.

  124. radio wave says:

    I should have bet the 100 today.

    A reminder:
    At 5:00 edt today on ESPN2,, and xm radio is the Futures game.
    U.S. vs. the world.
    Pirates prospect Gerritt Cole is scheduled to be the 2nd pitcher for the U.S. team.

  125. John Lease says:

    Barmes with a two hit game. .200 is no longer the line, I’m setting the bar at .202

    Go Clint, go!

  126. JRay3 says:

    Awesome to see the crowd with the standing ovation and of Burnett to raise his arm and fist pump in return, the bond between the city and team this year is special.

  127. TDB1977 says:

    Left hand on top people! Left hand on top.

  128. Kevin says:

    I hope someone posts the video of Burnett leaving the game…

  129. Bizrow says:

    Thumbs on top or next to each other?

  130. Arriba Wilver says:

    TDB—we may not know how to bet, my friend, but we KNOW how to do the Zoltan!

  131. Arriba Wilver says:


  132. Bizrow says:

    Holy balls !!!!!

  133. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Andrew McCutchen, You are THE MAN!

  134. TDB1977 says:

    Are you kidding me!!! WOW!!! McCutchen with a shot.

  135. JRay3 says:

    Why not…Walker 5-5, Cutch his second blast of the day…enjoy this!

  136. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Hitting over .360, 18 homers and 60 RBI looks MVP nice at the break.

  137. Arriba Wilver says:

    What a way to end the “first half.”

  138. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    I was secretly hoping Hurdle would give Cutch the rest of the day off and ensure he would stay at the .360 batting average going into the all-star game. The guy is just too good!

  139. JRay3 says:

    Gorkys continues to display his value….another defensive gem.

  140. Kevin says:

    Is there any way to skip the All-Star break and just keep playing??

  141. pattonbb says:

    This is a good team. No smoke and mirrors here.

  142. bob hasis says:

    I just enjoyed a great laugh, keeping in mind my demented sense of humor; Walk just said “I’m absolutely speechless, I have no words to describe McCutchen”. His counterpart Steve Blass would have no such problem

  143. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    On the radio side, Greg Brown & Steve Blass gave him a standing ovation.

  144. JRay3 says:

    Kearns just hit 3 run HR for Miami and the fish lead the Cards 4-2 in 7th. Reds / Padres just underway.

  145. radio wave says:

    at kevin:
    I hope the break doesn’t kill their momentum.
    New cba sucks, everybody is off until Friday.

  146. radio wave says:

    When was the last time the Bucs had a roadtrip to Milwaukee and no one’s concerned?

  147. Kevin says:

    @ radio

    I am going to let this win soak in, but I can assure you I will be anxiety ridden until the series ends in Milwaukee…something not right about that, I know. But…

  148. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    But at least they will all be in good moods as they get a well-deserved rest and time with their families. This is the best break they’ll have had since the early 90’s teams.

  149. TDB1977 says:

    If game ends at this point – the run differential is going to be +32. How do you like the offense now?

  150. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    If ever a Pirates team had earned a short vacation, it is this one. Rest up, spend sometime at home, and refresh and recharge after 20 straight days with a game.

    Come back ready to take another series in Milwaukee.

  151. pattonbb says:

    ….fear the Bones…..

  152. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Way to go PBC……Great game today. Having to wait until Friday for the next game is going to suck….Lincoln looked good……48-37!!!!!!……

  153. Kevin says:

    Is it too late to put 100 on the over for the 13.5 runs??? Never hurts to ask, right?

  154. TDB1977 says:

    Raise the Jolly Roger! 13-2 victory. First place in the Central. Great win today.

  155. Boise Bucco says:

    I’m gonna get roasted for this, but anybody think that maybe Lincoln could get another shot at starting? I know he’s great out of the bullpen, but that’s the point: he’s been friggin’ awesome out of the bullpen. If Bedard can get his game together, then it’s a moot point, but at the lastest I really feel that he should be a starter right out of Spring Training next year.

  156. Dan1283 says:

    Anyone else with me that it’s time to retire the awful “New Pirate Generation” song forever? I’ve always hated it. And it’s a song for losing teams – not this one!

  157. JRay3 says:

    The Pirates pound out 17 hits, 3 HR’s and AJ Burnett picks up his 10th win of the season as the Bucs rout the Giants 13-2 to take the series their 17th series win of the year and there was nooooooooooo doubt about it. With the win the Pirates head into the All-Star break a season high 11 games above .500 and in sole possession of first place.

    The Pirates retune to action Friday night when the second half of the season begins in Milwaukee with James McDonald scheduled to start.

    Best of luck to Cutch in the HR Derby and good luck Hammer and Cutch in All-Star game get the NL home field advantage! Let’s Go Bucs!

  158. Kevin says:

    Ahhhhh to hear Lanny again…but I will say Greg Brown has filled in NICELY.

  159. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    In 1979 at the All-Star break, the Pirates were 46-39, and in 4th place, 4 games out of first place.
    They came back from the break with a 7 game win streak (9 game win steak actually, as they had won the final 2 games before the break).

  160. radio wave says:

    Reds take 3-0 lead in 4th.

  161. MadTurk says:

    13-2, 11 over, all this winning, possible MVP, Nothing changes! when does Steelers camp open anyway?

  162. Mlrgenuine says:

    I couldn’t disagree more. My entire family loves to hear that song at the end of every home win we attend. We stay in our seats to sing along.

  163. Arriba Wilver says:

    Pretty cool that Cutch will go to the All Star game leading in BA and in the top in so many other categories. Pittsburgh pride.

  164. Mosca says:

    @Boise Bucco: Lincoln will be the next closer. Hanrahan + prospects to Arizona for Upton. I’d hate to see Hanny go, but this guy is ready to take over.

  165. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    If Lanny Frattare were to ever return, this would be the right season. Sure do miss him, and agree that Greg Brown has been as good of a replacement as anyone ever could be. Brownie is as much a part of this team as I used to feel Lanny was.
    I wish Brown did all the radio games (seeing as how I don’t have cable). No disrespect to Tim Nevrett, he is the best 2nd guy in a long time. They had some I couldn’t stand over the years, like Kent Derdivanis, Dave Martin and John Sanders.

  166. Bizrow says:

    @PLR, who was the announcer that said “A low fly ball to center”???

  167. Kevin says:

    Anyone watching Cole? Unreal.

  168. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Don’t know that one but wouldn’t be surprised if was Derdivanis.

    But Greg Brown is the one who radio station WDVE used to play the clip of him saying of Kevin Young when he had 2 strikes on him, “KY is in the hole”.
    Sorry DK, I know this is a family blog. I debated heavily about going there. I know I probably shouldn’t have.

  169. Kevin says:

    Ok…EXCEPT for giving up the HR…Cole has good speed and movement on the ball…

  170. Arriba Wilver says:

    The over / under on DK’s column tomorrow is the Pirates or Pens/Steelers/soccer/olympics/girls’ sports. I’m going 100 on the Over.

  171. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    I remember reading somewhere all of the funny things said by different baseball play-by-play men, and one that stands out is Jerry Coleman, I believe, saying that “the outfielder runs back, reaches up and hits his head on the wall and it rolls away” or something to that affect. A good search of the web would reveal some real funny ones, I’m sure.

  172. radio wave says:

    at kevin:
    Cole not so good, gives up 2 run dinger
    World leads U.S> 3-0.
    Did you notice the one player, don’t remember his name or what team he plays for, but he’s in the California League, and he already has 104 steals this season.

  173. radio wave says:

    Reds lead Padres 3-1.

  174. Kevin says:

    Yeah, I jumped the gun a bit on Cole…watched him strike out the Sox’ #2 prospect and put in on “paper”…but two strikeouts…not bad. Ok, ok, not good.

  175. Bizrow says:

    Its an exhibition game, not a good outing, but nuttin to get upset about

  176. radio wave says:

    Pitching change for Reds in bottom of sixth.
    Bases loaded for Padres, Reds lead 3-2.

  177. radio wave says:

    Reds get out of it.
    Still 3-2.

  178. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Heath Bell blew another save today. He has an ERA over 6.50 at the moment and is 2-5. He is case and point why you don’t give big contracts to closers who aren’t named Mariano Rivera.

  179. radio wave says:

    at playoffs:
    #179 would have been nice if he had done the job, Cards would have been 3 1/2 behind the Bucs.
    Miami a major disapointment this year.

  180. radio wave says:

    Reds add another run.
    Mid 7th, Reds lead 4-2.

  181. radio wave says:

    The player with 104 steals is Billy Hamilton.

  182. Thundercrack says:

    Great quote from AJ that you posted on twitter.

    I would give him a high five and a hug.

    Heck, I’m so happy about the Pirates I would even give you a hug.
    Or buy you a coffee.


  183. radio wave says:

    Reds win 4-2.

  184. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    What a game today!!

    Cutch was amazing, Walker even better.

    AJ, pitched beautifully, but ran out of gas at the end. A nice break for the BP to get an extra day off.

    AJ=true professional.

  185. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    #179, spot on my friend.

    One thing NH can do, is build a BP. Love Hammer, but I don’t want to see him on an extension.

    I believe he still has at least one more year of arbitration, keep it that way.

  186. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    The talk on Upton trade is good, but there’s NO WAY NH makes that trade. The asking price is too much.

    Probably be Marte, Cole/Taillon, plus more top notch guys.

    I would still look at Victorino and Marte will be full-time next year.

    I’m thinking Marte will be up after the break, the Pirates will wait it out until the deadline to see how he does before they pull the trigger on a deal. A deal will get done, but what if Marte does the job?

  187. Eric Bowser says:

    Pirates 13 – Giants 2

    Today, my son and I attended the game up in section 332, row 2 and my oh my, what a game we got to see. How often is a hitter who went 5 for 5 with a HR overshadowed by the performance of another hitter?

    McCutchen did just that by going 3 for 5 with two HRs and 4 RBI.

    When are these managers going to realize pitching to McCutchen is a bad idea?

    Great crowd, into it from the first pitch to last pitch.

    Really enjoyed the game and finally can enjoy baseball again in Pittsburgh.

  188. Eric Bowser says:

    Justin Upon would look real nice in a Pirates uniform and roaming the outfield with Andrew McCutchen and Starling Marte but I just don’t see it happening.

  189. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Victorino would be a nice addition. He’s been there. Plus a leadoff hitter and that would let Presley and Tabata continue to develop in Indy for now. Marte will be up soon and should thrive.

  190. radio wave says:

    Yesterday Zack Greinke was kicked out of his start against the Astros after four pitches.
    He started again today and went 3 innings.
    The Brewers have announced he will start Friday’s game against the Pirates, thus becoming the first pitcher since 1917 to start three in a row.

  191. Eric Bowser says:

    I think the Pirates are more likely to trade for Chase Headley (3B/1B/RF) and promote Starling Marte (OF) to keep the offense going and look for a pitcher who can be more consistent than Bedard or Correia than going for one of those big deals with Justin Upton or Cole Hamels.

  192. RobertoForever says:

    @radio wave

    That’s a WOW, just wow. If at first you don’t succeed, lol.

  193. RobertoForever says:


    Curious. Is that an idea you agree with, or just what you think is most likely?

  194. Eric Bowser says:

    @Roberto – a mixture of both. I would love for the Justin Upon and Cole Hamel type deals to really put this team over the top in the NL Central but that’s more than the Pirates can afford to give up (prospects), so I’ll be content with Headley and maybe a lesser pitcher like Ryan Dempster.

    If Arizona says yes to Jose Tabata and Jameson Taillon for Upton, don’t the Pirates have to do that, especially if they sign Stanford pitcher Mark Appel.

  195. Milo Hamilton says:

    We were kicking around the Upton subject today during the drubbing. Everyone except the 2 Giants fans sitting in front of me. Long day for them, but I digress. He certainly fits the buy low, sell high criteria. It might be the perfect time to pounce.

  196. Milo Hamilton says:

    While we’re at it, how much extra to throw in Joe Saunders ? I think he’d be a great fit in our ballpark.

  197. Eric Bowser says:

    @Milo – Saunders injured with shoulder issues, I would stay far away from him.

  198. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lots of soup being spilled today (about trades). I’ve seen some quotes from Neal, but listening to the pregame he sounded pretty rational. I do wish, however, he would quit paying attention to what the fans think. What the heck do we know? He still sounds like he’s smarting from the blowback he got on the “27 Yankees” comment. Move on, Neal, you get deep into the postseason this year and no one will care . . .

  199. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yankees / Red Sox game started at 8:05 & they’re already going to the 2nd inning !

  200. RobertoForever says:


    If Tabata and Taillion get the deal down, absolutely. He can always be flipped to the Yanks/Sox later.

    But my impression is any deal will need to include Marte. That price is too high.

  201. Drew71 says:

    Everyone lock arms, look around, and commit this moment, this day to memory.

    I’ll bet the sun just went down up there too.

    And it was beautiful.

    For once, I’m not joking. Even in sports, there are moments that bind.

    This is one of them. Someday we’ll say, we remember the day.

    We’ve been to the bottom. This is the day we realize we’re coming back.

    This is the day we KNOW it.

    It is too bad that the sun had to sink. I wish this day would never end.

  202. Milo Hamilton says:


    One thing I trust Neal with is prospects. He’s just not going to go overboard there. Another area I trust him in is the trading deadline. He’s has two great ones in a row. This will work out. Everything else has.

    Listen to me. Too much sun.

  203. Eric Bowser says:

    @Roberto – Yeah, I agree. Just can’t see dealing Marte and Taillon for Upton with some discussion/concern about his shoulder. I really think Marte has the same potential as McCutchen, do we really want to be trading a young guy like that?

  204. Black n Gold (not yellow) says:

    2-6 in the Pirates order is, as a group, on pace to average 20+ HR and 80+ RBI this year. That’s not counting Barajas/McKenry in the 7/8 spot pushing 25-30 HR and 70 RBI combined. The Pirates don’t need another middle of the order bat, especially a right handed one in PNC park. They need a consistent table-setter (.350 OBP or better)…an outfield playing leadoff hitter.

    Shane Victorino from Philly would be a perfect fit and likely wouldn’t cost a ton. It would also give Starling Marte the ability to prove his recent hot streak wasn’t just a hot streak. He needs to stay in AAA and be 100 percent ready.

    Victorino LF
    Walker 2B
    MVP CF
    Jones RF
    McGehee 1B
    Alvarez 3B
    McKenry/Barajas C
    Barmes/Harrison SS

    That’s a real nice lineup.

  205. Black n Gold (not yellow) says:

    And I’m tired of hearing about Carlos Quentin. He plays below average outfield defense. He’s hit above .254 twice in, now, 7 ML seasons.

    Worst of all, when thinking about what happened last year, HE’S PLAYED IN 32 GAMES! The Pirates don’t need another trade deadline acquisition resting on the DL.

  206. JRay3 says:

    The one thing we have to remember in all this is with the Dbacks win over the Dodgers today they are just 4 back in the West and Kevin Towers on sports radio out here guaranteed the Dbacks will make the playoffs. To move Upton he has to be able to help his team at well…that will take a bat and they need some pitching depth with Daniel Hudson out, Josh Collmenter inconsistent, Saunders hurt and relying on Bauer only two years into his career.

    Upton has worn out his welcome it appears in Arizona so a deal could get done but are we willing to sacrifise what it would take?

    A lot of talk on Victorino but my question is don’t we want to protect Cutch and find a bat that can hit behind him? As games become more important more and more teams will decide not to let Cutch beat them. Victorino is a top of the order guy….just a thought.

  207. Milo Hamilton says:

    Something to consider about possible acquisitions. While the Pirates have made significant strides in just about every offensive category, they are still last in OBP. The top of the order would be my main concern.

  208. Arriba Wilver says:

    Drew— didn’t you read my “it’s about” entry? There ain’t no “this is the day” moments this year. There are just too many . . .

  209. Black n Gold (not yellow) says:

    Ryan Dempster would be great rotation pickup.

  210. Milo Hamilton says:

    Chase Headley’s OBP the last 2 years is over .370. And, he can play the outfield. Great arm. No Marte or Taillon necessary.

  211. Mosca says:

    Victorino would have been good 4 years ago.

  212. Eric Bowser says:

    Leadoff is a problem, if Pirates think Marte is better as #5 between Jones and Alvarez, then finding another corner OF would be good idea.

    Shane Victorino, David Dejesus, and Michael Bourn are probably best options.

  213. Eric Bowser says:

    @Milo – Do you think Headley would work as leadoff hitter, would be an interesting study for non-speed guy there.

  214. Bunch of fair weather fans... says:

    Agree that Victorino makes the most sense given the Pirates most productive lineup has included all of Walker, Cutch, Jones, McGehee, and Alvarez together. The idea of another “run producer” is great but someone else has to get on base consistently up top.

  215. Drew71 says:

    I’m having an emotional moment, Arriba. I just am.

  216. JohninOshkosh says:

    Watching the NY/Bos game. Gave one of those stats that confirms baseball is the greatest game devised by human imagination: the series record between the Yanks and Sox at Fenway Park? 460-460.

  217. RobertoForever says:


    That IS truly amazing! Went to college in Boston. Sat in the stands in Fenway for alot of Yankee beatdowns to the Sox. 50/50 seems impossible, lol

  218. JoeBucco says:

    As great as this season is, I don’t want us to blow up the future for a guy in Upton who has never hit over .300, has as many HR’s this year as our backup catcher, and has nearly as many ‘caught stealings’ (8) as actual SB’s (10). This team has chemistry now, no need to add a potential attitude guy to this clubhouse. And all we have to do is give up the reason we’ve been excited for 2014? Thanks but no thanks. Last I checked, we’re 2 games out of home field advantage in the NL. I’ll take my chances that this team might just actually be good. (Don’t take that as me saying I don’t want any trades, just don’t mortgage our 2014).

  219. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Just so you all know, I called Shane Victorino a couple of weeks ago……..just sayin’


  220. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Did I read that right, you trust NH on some things?

    Great to hear, I do too. I actually have for awhile. Loved the plan, wasn’t happy with the early results from him, of course.

    But what I liked about him (I imagine most GM’s are this way too) was that he left the emotions out of it, stayed the course.

  221. Drew71 says:

    You’re probably right, Ryan.

    But as fans, how do we take OUR emotions out of it?

    And should we ?

  222. Milo Hamilton says:


    Really like the Victorino idea. I know he’s having an off year, but he sure brings a lot to the table. Probably shouldn’t cost much either.

  223. JoeBucco says:

    I’ve been trying to grade out the trades that NH has made since coming over, and it’s hard to say he lost many of them, if any. J-Mac for Dotel. Home run. Karstens and Co for Nady/Marte, another monster. Even the whole Bay deal, which I always said was horrible because that was his best chip to play… Boston got next to nothing out of that deal, considering J-Bay left to the Mets a year and a half later. And maybe everyone else knew that Bay was going to turn out to be, and we got all we could get for him. Not that it was a lot, but Moss is maybe healthy now and showing he could be a decent player. Andy LaRoche gave us some at bats, definitely not anything special. But Morris, at least he’s still in our system. So while we probably whiffed on wasting our best chip, it’s hard to say he got hosed on the deal either. I’m coming around on the whole NH thing. Maybe not the BMTIB, but benefit of the doubt where it is deserved I guess.

  224. Drew71 says:

    Anybody know where Jerry Meals is working after the break?

    I’m just asking.

  225. Milo Hamilton says:

    McDonald’s ?

  226. Milo Hamilton says:

    Andruw Jones has as many homers at Fenway in the last 2 days as Adrian Gonzalez has all year, four.

  227. JohninOshkosh says:

    For several years I made the trek to Miller Park only to watch the Pirates lose almost every time at The Very Bad Place. I did not go to any of the games in early June and the curse was possibly broken. The question is should I be superstitious and not go to any of the games this upcoming weekend? In the words of Mick Jones, “Should I stay or should I go?”

  228. JohninOshkosh says:

    Bobby Valentine is getting his comeuppance for producing “Pelotero.”

  229. Milo Hamilton says:


    Go. It’ll work out. Everything else has.

  230. JohninOshkosh says:


    Will do. Won’t prevent myself from seeing this special team in person.

  231. Arriba Wilver says:

    JoeB—historians call that Revisionist history. Hey, he’s put a good organization and a good team together. No need to go back and pretend all the moves were good. Like I said earlier in the week during the Sano discussion, they made some big errors, but apparently learned from them. No need to pretend they didn’t happen.

  232. Black n Gold (not yellow) says:

    @ Arriba

    How is it “revisionist” to evaluate a baseball trade after the players involved have had the chance to succeed or fail? No trade should be evaluated until, at least, the end of that season for major league players and even longer (maybe years) for acquired minor league talent.

    What are the Huntington et al “big errors” to which you are referring?

    Most of this management team’s trades have resulted in a positive gain for the Pirates or a timely sell before the bottom fell out of a player’s career.

    Xavier Nady has done nothing since he was traded. Damaso marte collapsed and is out of baseball now. Jason Bay had exactly one more good season. Nate McLouth flopped even after they gave him a second chance. Jack Wilson and Ian Snell also flopped.

    The only legitmately lost trades, after a reasonable amount of time has passed, is Freddy Sanchez for Tim Alderson & Adam Laroche for Hunter Strickland and Argenis Diaz. The Javier Lopez trade didn’t result in much but Javier Lopez isn’t exactly an integral bullpen piece.

  233. Arriba Wilver says:

    BnG—you are taking what I said way far beyond what I was meant to say. And in re-reading what I said, that’s probably my fault. I was referring to the Bay trade specifically as revisionist history.The Bay trade stunk. Ask Neal, he’s realistic. I was not talking about other trades. Another big error was the Sano situation. Thats all I was saying.

  234. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    11 games over .500 at the break and in sole possession of 1st place. Why can’t the season end today? The OVER takes it today, and the OVER wins for runs and wins in the series. Congrats to Ryan and Mlrgeniune, our clubhouse leaders at the break. Thank to everyone who has played so far. It’s been a blast and The Window is looking forward to the 2nd half of this season.

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