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By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Brief and to the Point …

>> The Wednesday column uncovers the Penguins’ real plan for a Sidney Crosby winger. And it might not be a Crosby winger at all.

>> A small slice of my conversation with top prospect Simon Despres


Poor kid did that whole session with hiccups, then sat and talked to me while he still had hiccups, then walked by me again 10 minutes later and informed me he still had hiccups.

Hiccups and defensemen don’t go well together!

>> Oh, and you’ll see the column describes Joe Morrow’s suddenly Thor-like hair, so I’d be remiss if I didn’t include this shot, too …

In general, Morrow struck me as a lot different than last year. More confident, outspoken.

If you haven’t seen this kid or Scott Harrington play, they’re well worth your lack of admission to the free session Saturday. Terrific feel for the game, both of them.

>> So, Pittsburgh produced the nation’s second-highest TV rating for the Home Run Derby?

Yeah, really.

It’s yet another sign of how much of an audience Major League Baseball was missing while kowtowing to the Yankees and Red Sox and ignoring nearly everyone else over the past couple decades.

And you know, maybe somebody’s embarrassed about that. Read this official MLB press release about Derby ratings, and tell me what word is curiously missing from it. I’ll spot you the P.

>> The Louis Freeh investigation into Penn State’s handling of Jerry Sandusky is due for a Thursday release, and this could be the big one.

I’ve maintained a consistent position throughout this of waiting for as many facts as possible before sharing any kind of view. The only exception I made was in calling for the firings of Graham Spanier, Tim Curley and Joe Paterno shortly after this broke. Firings aren’t legal judgments. They can be made simply to protect an institution or corporation.

But again, this could be the big one as far as weighing real guilt.


  1. diehard says:

    Did you catch the FOX montage of 1st half highlights? Not sure, but I think there was a blip of a catch by a Pirate in that two minutes.

  2. Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle says:

    What roster moves will the Bucs make in the next couple days…..?????……Presley up…..Marte????…..

  3. CWalton_67 says:

    Would love to see Shane Doan in black and gold. He’s exactly the kind of player they have needed since the departure of Bill Guerin.

    Don’t think Semin is as bad of an attitude as he is made out to be and he might well flourish here based on the expectations and standards of this organization.

    That said, every time I see a gif of him slapping at Marc Staal in his lone NHL “fight”, I think it is quite likely the most embarrassing moment in NHL history.

    A question, Dejan–why not pursue the trade with Edmonton for one of their forwards now? Is there some circumstance preventing Shero from approaching them now?

    DK: You know I couldn’t answer that, Chris. Only Shero knows.

  4. JRay3 says:

    @ DK – I can appreciate you waiting for as many facts as possible as it pertains to the many failures and disappointments on a human level with regards to both the individuals and the institution of PSU.

    However, what really surprises me is how much silence has been demonstrated by the local writers in general out that way as compared to many national writers, radio show hosts, syndicates being able to report, discuss and share opinions of this extremely sad and evolving story.

  5. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    So a tweet says its second highest market behind KC, but the MLB release didn’t even put them on the map.

    All I read on that article was NY this and LA that…shame.

    You would think MLB would love this type of story.

  6. SD says:

    I love the idea of trading for one of Edmonton’s wingers – specifically Jordan Eberle. I know he’s probably untouchable, but I would kill to see him with Sid. How about Evander Kane? Rumored to be unhappy in Winnipeg, is an RFA and still hasn’t signed a deal yet. Would Shero be gutsy enough to give them an offer sheet? I’m not sure why GMs don’t do it more often. I’m sure there are other lower profile forwards out there that no one is even thinking of that could be great with 87, Shero just needs to pull the trigger.

    Neal was brought in for Crosby, but due to injuries, Malkin got him. The man just signed a huge deal at a discount for the team and has been a model citizen and player. What else does he have to do to get a winger? A young winger, not a 35 year old one.

    Shane Doan is fine, great guy, great teammate – don’t want him instead of a winger for Sid, but as an addition. As bring in a new winger, bring in Doan, move Dupuis to the third line where he will thrive and trade TK. First two lines will be solid with talent, third line will be a pest to play against with Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis.

    I know, easier said than done.

    DK: Evander Kane is NOT unhappy in Winnipeg, from what I’ve heard. The Jets just need to step up and pay the tab, as they did with Ondrej Pavelec. Eberle isn’t going anywhere, either. I’d think more in the range of Sam Gagner, someone like that.

  7. bob hasis says:

    @aglebagel #279(from the previous thread)

    My disdain for PTI is consistent with ESPN personalities in general. I made one exception yesterday (Bob Ley), whom I hold in high regard. The other is Tony Reali, who I think is bright, witty, talented, knowledgable of sports and enjoyable to watch.

    The PTI regulars, very rarely consider with kind words any of the Pittsburgh teams or their stars. They seem to make a mockery of us in their dry acrid manner – AND they have too much pro basketball

  8. JRay3 says:

    @ Ryan – You would think…I’m surprised Bud was able to find Kaufman Stadium in Kansas City.

  9. bob hasis says:


    If you saw it I commend your eyesight. I was watching intently and saw 0, believing we are not much of a story yet to land in their highlight reel

  10. bob hasis says:

    Let me get this off of my mind; John Kruk’s opinion is only worth the next pan of ribs they put in front of him to devour on national TV, but he said the Tigers are a team to fear because of Verlander and the so far disappointing remainder of their staff and, Delmon Young is starting to hit as are the guys at the top.

    Well isn’t that reasonably close to us? Jones/McGehee, Alvarez are starting to hit as are our No.1 and Walker, and our pitching is far more fearful than Detroit’s.

    So how are the Tigers the team to watch and we are not? Kruk’s opinion on anything (mainly hitting) will always be tainted by his absolute fear to stand in against Randy Johnson.

    He might do for some baby-backs, though.

  11. JAL says:

    JAL’s Out of the Game Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)

    4 Pirates Prospects Draft Pick Signing Tracker


    5—Pirates Prospects

    Prospect Notebook: Cole Reflects on Futures Game, Colla Incorporates Long Toss

    Prospect Watch: GCL Pirates Break Out the Bats in Slow Day For the System

    How Much Trade Value Does Brad Lincoln Have?

    First Pitch: When Should a Prospect Be Untouchable?

    6 Bucs Dugout

    2012 All-Star Game: N.L. Wins Easily, 8-0

    Bucs Dugout Podcast: Pirates Mid-Year Grades

    7 Rumbunter

    Bob Ryan Disrespects Andrew McCutchen and the Pittsburgh Pirates Christmas Story Style

    8 McEffect

    How Sustainable is the Pirates 2012 Success?

    Half-season Minor League Positional Roundup: Catcher

    9 The Green Weenie

    Pirate Notes And News

    10 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates All-Star Week recap

    11 WHY GAVS

    The Pittsburgh Pirates at the break: a magical half-season

  12. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    12 CBS Sports

    Chipper Jones gets his special send-off

    13 Arkansas Sports 360

    Jim’s Notebook: A.J. Burnett, Division-Leading Pirates Seem Right For Each Other

    14 Forbes

    2012’s Most Cost-Efficient MLB Team at All-Star Break

    15 Beaver County Times

    Perrotto: Hanrahan has come a long way from Des Moines

    16 Fox Sports

    Key questions for MLB’s second half

    17 San Francisco Chronicle

    Schmidt: All-Star problems, but no easy solutions


    18 PBC Site

    Pirates duo hopes to benefit from NL’s ASG win

    19 Fangraphs

    James McDonald Adds a Slider, Dominates

    20 Bleacher Report

    Pittsburgh Pirates’ First-Half Grades

  13. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Training Camp is Approaching, Behind The Steel Curtain Wants Your Help

    Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger Ranks 6th on Ron Jaworski’s Top 30 Quarterbacks List

    SB Nation Ranks Steelers’ Defensive Line 15th in the NFL

    22 Steelers Depot

    - Ike Taylor Thinks Cortez Allen Can Be Way Better Than Himself

    23 Steelers Gab

    Atwaan Randle El Set to Retire from the NFL

    24 Nice Pick Cower

    Steelers 2012 Fantasy Football Preview

    Pitt Blogs

    25 Pitt Blather

    One-And-Done and Starting

    26 Cardiac Hill

    Athlon Ranks Pitt’s Wide Receivers In Middle Of Big East

    WVU Blogs

    27 Metro News

    Madsen Named To Rimington Watch List

    28 WV Illustrated

    Matt Humphrey Brings Unique Experiences To WVU Program


    29 Sky Sports

    Transfer Clockwatch

    30 Daily Telegraph

    John Terry takes stand against racism

    31 World Soccer Daily

    10 Ten stories you need to read, July 10th, 2012


    32 Pensburgh

    Pens have talked to Shane Doan, Agent reports Doan’s “interested” in Pittsburgh

  14. JAL says:

    Out of the Game, Rufus Wainwright. The son of Kate McGarrigle and Loudon Wainwright III, he has done music in various styles. This song off his 10th album, released this year. Just about everything he does is a bit quirky so he fits this week’s theme.

  15. Naje says:

    Not saying it’s bad, but this column has devoted a great deal of coverage to an underachieving Pens team. It seems we can’t go more than a week without a column devoted to a team that appears to have some clear holes and potential fixes. But the attention just seems to be getting redundant.

    It’s clear that there is a passionate, knowledgeable fan base here and in Pittsburgh on the Pens and on hockey in general and I know that my position will ruffle some feathers here and I apologize…but my point is: I think we get it concerning the Pens issues. A whole lot of words devoted to them since May when they were embarrassed by the Flyers.

  16. Jandy says:

    Sam Gagner sounds like he could be a nice addition to the Pens. I’m open for many additions, just not Semin. Just say no to Semin.
    I think Joe Morrow just may be my next “fav” Penguin. (Waiting for buggee to pick on me).

    Cutch made us proud. Tweet it!

  17. Jandy says:

    Hey Naje:


  18. JMB says:

    Looking at the PP Lincoln value article, Jamo, Lincoln, Grossman, and one of the Indy SP’s for Upton: Sign me up!

    I like the idea of Span, just like I wanted to get Bourn last yr. But I would have rather had Pence’s power, so give me Upton and his 20-30 bombs through 2015.

  19. JMB says:

    Buster Olney says the Rangers might want Upton to replace Hamilton. Texas is linked to every player on the market!

  20. TJA says:

    JMB…can we have Hamilton? :)

  21. JAL says:

    traveling to Morgantown later today where internet connections are often a problem. Will do links tomorrow and Friday if i can.

  22. Gregg says:

    Hi Dejan,

    I respect your work and opinion; however, calling for a firing is certainly a judgement of guilt and it’s a bit self-protective, or ignorant, to think that the public wouldn’t see it that way as well. I always thought that an administrative suspension was the appropriate course of action until all facts were out.

    Imagine if you got fired from your job without any chance to defend, or justify, your actions. It’s sort of like kicking those Duke lacrosse players out of the school before it came to light that they were victims to a politician’s ploy, isn’t it?

    Thanks. Great article today.


  23. BigDaddyHoss says:


    For years I have talked up your work to friends as well as emailed and Twitted you commending your work. This is no different. Keep up the remarkable coverage while maintaining your finger on the pulse of the teams you are covering as well as the fans.

    One question; do you ever take a day off other than vacations at the end of respective sports seasons?

  24. David says:


    I’m curious to know how this rating foir McCutchen compares to the not so long ago rating for the Bay home run derby. I don’t recall seeing anything written about Pittsburgh having an unusually high rating there and am curious if I’m just missing something or if there is a trend forming of tuning in to watch our own.

  25. mainemaddog says:

    re: Bob Ryan disrespecting Cutch (JAL link #7 from rumbunter):

    Having lived in Boston and now Maine for many years, Bob Ryan is one of the many reasons the Globe isn’t worth the paper on which it’s printed. That is the nicest thing I can say.

  26. Naje says:

    Hey… again, sorry. I really enjoy hockey and the Pens… and I know how much they mean to so many and how excellent DK writes on the subject. I know this blog can, at times, look like a Buccos blog around the clock… but something very special is going on with the Pirates this year.

    I guess there’s no better time for a hockey story than during the baseball all star break. If I’m a columnist, I’m probably thinking the same way.

    Wonder what the Pens players think of the Bucs…? Wonder if any of them will take in a few games at PNC wearing a Bucs jersey and getting rousing applause when they’re announced to the PNC Park crowd…?

  27. Jandy says:

    Naje, no harm done, I’m just razzin on ya, dude. You know I had to ;)
    I’m sure the Pens attend Buccos games, just as they attend Steelers games.

    I feel all our athletes are fine people. They give back to the community, and support each other’s respective teams.

    And you’re right, this season *IS* special for the Pirates. I’m waiting for the end of the all star break to see more games.


    The problem with Sam Gagner is that I don’t see him as much of an upgrade over Tyler Kennedy. Gagner doesn’t shoot nearly as much as TK, nor is he as much of a physical presence. They’ve both had 5 seasons in the league, and their points production has been very similar. Gagner has been on the outs at times in Edmonton for never really putting together a breakout season offensively, whereas TK has at least proven he can shoulder some offensive burden when given the opportunity. If I had my choice, I’d rather see TK get a chance to work with Crosby over Gagner. Neither one, however, is really a good fit.

    Jarome Iginla, please.

  29. chris50_50 says:


    I think there are some distinct differences between the Duke and Penn State issues. For Penn State, there was already a grand jury testimony by Paterno and others surrounding the event. In addition, Paterno, Spanier & Curley were figureheads that, if they did remain, would only serve as major distractions at best and impeders to a thorough, accurate investigation at worst. The Duke players were not involved in any formal testimony when the allegations were made and they were the targets of those accusations.

    I agree with DK that it was absolutely a call that had to be made to preserve what was left of the university so that they could move forward with assessing the true scope of what happened.

  30. NMR says:

    The significance of the Freeh Report cannot be understated regarding not only culpability, but rebuilding the moral fabric of the Administration.

    Lets not forget that this very same investigation was roundly criticized as being a dog and pony show when it was announced.

    As an alum, I’m glad that Freeh was brought in to uncover what the Board of Trustees couldn’t. It shows contrition and humility, which at this point are minimums for the University.

  31. NMR says:

    Man, I just love the last line in DK’s column. His writing has a way of weaving a story that takes you out into the realm of hairdo’s, TV shows, and government policies only to wrap you back in with a punch. I love that.

    Totally agree with the logic, as well.

    DK: Thanks!

  32. Dejan,

    Serious question: Are the young Pittsburgh defensemen really that good?

    We see everything through Pittsburgh-colored glasses . . . . . . “of course, JMac and A.J. are All Stars;” “McCutch is MVP;” “Letang is untouchable;” “Pens have the best young defense corp in the history of the world;” “I wanna be there when Dejan picks up his Pulitzer!”

    Simon Despres was a #30 pick, Joe Morrow was in high 20’s, our picks this year were #8 and #22. There sure were lots of players drafted before our guys——why should we expect our drafts to be so much better or informed than 20 or more other teams? Beau Bennett was mentioned by name by the head coach——over 20 guys were drafted before him his year.

    Are we being “homers” when we (including me) tout these “young defensemen” as real upcoming strengths? Real forces in the NHL? More than #5 or #6 defensemen?

    DK: The NHL Draft is a bigger crapshoot in the first round than baseball’s or certainly football’s. It’s MORE certain than baseball’s once you get into deeper rounds, but that’s about it.

    I can tell you that, in the case of these two prospects, I feel that strongly about them because I’ve seen it myself. They can both do things other players can’t. I don’t feel anywhere near that strongly about Bennett. But I’m open to changing my view on all three.

    Actually, the second-rounder Scott Harrington looks as good as any of them.

    Bottom line: ALL of them have top-four D potential.

  33. Arriba Wilver says:

    # 25—looks like the Paterno family is trying to get out in front of this. The leaks didn’t happen until after the Freeh people turned over the E-mails to the prosecutors, so to me it’s more likely the prosecutors leaked the e-mails. But no downside to questioning the “fairness and confidentiality” of the report BEFORE it comes out.

  34. buggee says:

    Nice column Dejan, thank you

    I’m thinking that Shero has a few players under the radar targeted. After all, who saw that deal for Neal coming?

    DK: Thanks. And yes, exactly.

  35. JHadar says:

    Nice article:

    Probably basic stuff for the crowd here, but nice to be noticed.

    Just an observation, ESPN is not in the business of promoting sport, they are capitalizing on fan interest. Somebody there noticed that certain teams in each sport drew bigger ratings and they concentrated on those games (Ohio State – Michigan will always have a bigger crowd than Iowa – Wisconsin, even if the former is third and fourth place and the latter is a matchup between division leaders.) Somewhere along the line though, they made a marketing-based decision that they would rather have the same crowd over and over with bigger numbers, than a larger total crowd with smaller numbers for the individual events.

    That’s what made the vacuum that Fox, the Big Ten Network, MLB, the Golf Channel, the Speed Channel,etc. stepped into. So thanks to the narrow focus at ESPN we do get to follow our favorite teams.

    At a price.

    And more of a price if you don’t live in a population center and happen to root for teams from different cities in different sports.

    Still, the thing that’s keeping me from subscribing for the MLB network is the blackout rules. The closest major league city is a three hour drive (Iowa is a nice place to live, but I wouldn’t want to visit here) and they black out Minnesota, Milwaukee, both Chicago teams, St. Louis and Kansas City.

  36. JaxBuc says:

    Having just got back from vacation, and four days of that trip was in Iowa, I have to say that I love visiting Iowa, but it’s in small doses and infrequently, so I think I know where you are coming from.

  37. Iowa Hadar,

    I loved living in Eastern Iowa, because I could listen to Cards, Cubs, White Sox, and sometimes Twins on the radio . . . . . and after dark, KDKA would blast me the Buccos, even if I was listening through static at times. Also just a 4-hour trip to see the Pirates in Busch or Wrigley.

    However, it WAS 4 hours each way, so couldn’t make the trip that often. And KDKA went away. And so did winning after Sid Bream . . . . . . . until this year!!!

  38. Thanks for that answer, Dejan!

    I trust your judgment as being more than a “fan” of local products. It helps me immensely that you see “that thing” in them.

    And, I WILL try to attend your Pulitzer presentation.

  39. JHadar says:

    JaxBuc —

    What I like about living here is that most things you can do you can get to in 10 minutes or less. The grocery store, bank, work, schools, gym, golf course, tennis courts, fishing hole, bike trail, drag strip, harness track, swimming pool, historical museum, movie theater ($4 tickets), restaurants, are all within a couple of miles of the house.

    And there’s still a lot of natural beauty, but the weather’s not for sissies and although there are a lot of interesting little tourist attractions, you have to know where they are and they’re not big city fare.

    Still it seems like wherever else we go things are more expensive and the food’s not as good — especially beef and pork.

    Groat —

    Don’t get the White Sox on the radio this far north, but all the others you mentioned plus Milwaukee, Houston, and Colorado.

  40. buggee says:

    @Jandy Jandy Jandy… you know (respectfully), troll dolls also have long hair. One can get a Vermont Teddy Bear with long hair and put skates on it.

    The Fact of the matter is that some of these guys grow their hair long to cover up their pencil-tip heads. Didja see that special on NHL Network last year on James Neal? The dude wouldn’t wash (waRsh) his hair for a week for fear of “damaging” it. So Neal said. But the TRUTH of the matter is that James Neal enjoys the company of the vermin living in his hair; he thinks they talk to him and help him elevate his game.

    My point, beautiful lady, is that they’re DUDES… with outdoor plumbing ‘n’ ‘at, and most of us reg’lar dudes tend to focus on stuff like… you know… hockey, as opposed to aesthetics. (Unless referring to Pedro’s hat position, which clearly impact his swing-plane and arm-slot and back-leg toe-tap)

    How would you react if Tyler Kennedy grew his hair long, um? Would you drool over him too even though TK has a schnozz that’s reminiscent of the source of bacon? How about when Sid grows his annual porno-stache? (I can’t imagine THAT being eye-candy…)?

    All in good fun Jandylicious

  41. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    “. Just say no to Semin.”

    Did you really have to go there? I’ve been waiting for someone to break the ice that guys name……..just wasn’t gonna be me.

  42. Jandy says:

    buggee, buggee, buggee, what ever am I going to do with you??? You guys appreciate eye candy, let me appreciate MINE! TK should NEVER, EVER, be compared to Tanger. NOt for skill, not for schnozzes, and certainly not for hair. Never mind the eye candy! :shudder: I appreciate TK for his never-say-die energy and for his tenacity. Let’s leave it at that! (Source of bacon, indeed!)

    Barbie dolls have long hair too, that doesn’t mean I want one :p

    Cutch has long dreadlocks too, and, hey, they actually look good on him. But then, I appreciate Cutch’s hitting and fielding skills, not his dreadlocks.

    Ozzie has long hair too, but I don’t think I want to run my hands thru it. UGH!

  43. Jandy says:

    Ryan, LOL, honestly, it was unintentional. But hey, it sounds good ;X

  44. aglebagel says:


    First off, I’m totally with you on Bob Ley. One of the four ESPN folks I really like (along with Tony and Mike and Michelle Beadle. Oh wait, she’s gone.)

    That’s fine if you don’t like Tony and Mike, but if your reasoning is that they don’t have any respect for Pittsburgh, then that’s just a martyr mentality. Tony I can see, but Wilbon frequently give props to Pittsburgh teams, especially the Steelers. I’ve heard him say a bunch of times that he’d take Big Ben for one game over anyone. Again, not really worth a big argument about, I was just surprised to hear it.

  45. buggee says:

    I am going to fertilize my head, grow Russian dreads and stand around on the ice like Kovalov, just for you Jandygirl!

  46. Jandy says:

    buggee, you rock, dude! =D

  47. MrB says:

    “I’ve maintained a consistent position throughout this of waiting for as many facts as possible before sharing any kind of view.”

    Funny, when those emails leaked a couple of weeks ago, I recall someone stating that people should prepare to blow up a certain statue in State College.

    But you’re right, you’ve certainly maintained a consistent position all along.

  48. Jandy says:

    Uh-oh, someone is twisting words around…look out!

  49. JohninOshkosh says:

    I just hope the citizens of Morgantown get the internet soon.

    Maybe after they get a public library.

  50. Milo Hamilton says:

    Game 7 of the 1992 NL Championship Series was played on October 14, 1992. Bryce Harper was born 2 days later.

  51. Jandy says:

    Milo, WOW, now that’s a mind bender!

  52. Kevin says:

    What do we give up for either Dempster or Garza? I’m asking ’cause I want to know what you guys (and gals, of course) think…
    Personally, it scares me that we will be willing to give up too much for “rental-types”…

  53. pants-n-at says:

    I hope we see more of the Fort in the 2nd half. Although he had about 80 less AB than Barajas, he has just as many HR/RBI and 1 less double. In fact, over half of Fort’s hits this year are for extra bases.

  54. Oshkosh b’gosh,

    What would the citizens of Morgantown do with a public library?

    1/ Wait for the bus there?
    2/ Watch VHS tapes of Barney Fife?
    3/ Practice not spitting on the rug?
    4/ Build a still in the stacks?
    5/ Teach GED classes to their basketball recruits?
    6/ Tell stories about the one smart guy (JAL) who got away?

  55. pants-n-at says:

    @ Kevin: Dempster would be a great addition to the rotation and would be worth giving up a prospect. And who’s to say he’d only be a rental. Pittsburgh may be more appealing to FAs with a little success. Me personnaly, I’m not jazzed by Garza.

  56. pants-n-at says:

    @ Groat

    Answer: None of the above. They would burn the furniture.

  57. JohninOshkosh says:

    I wonder if the Pirate FO tried to shop Stetson Allie around before they converted him to a positional player. If the talent evaluators had concluded that he shouldn’t be a pitcher, then why not dangle him to other teams before making the switch. He was pretty hyped as a pitcher, and might have been attractive to other teams. Put the pressure on another team’s scouting department to make the call on whether he was going to be a Bona Fide ML pitcher.

  58. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    It always depends on whats being asked, of course. Some deals will take more money/less prospects. i.e. AJ Burnett, Ryan Ludwick, Derrek Lee. These are the trades that the Pirates prefer and should prefer.

    Its always hard to figure out who would be on the Pirates (or any other team for that matter) giving part. No idea how other teams rate the Pirates prospects, all depends really.

    Ryan Dempster is on a contract year, these guys are usually cheaper in the prospect range.

    Matt Garza is still in team control, for at least another year. This would cost probably at least one of the AAA lefties, or possible Brad Lincoln. I’d probably NOT make that deal.

    At this point in the game. I’m all for the Buccos to trade for a 2 month rental to make a Playoff run, than try to get a guy that may have 1-2 years of team control. What the Pirates have in their system as far as pitching is concerned, is much more valueable to the Bucs as players, than trade bait.

  59. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Course that’s just my opinion………I could be wrong

  60. pants-n-at says:

    Sorry…you had that directed to Oshkosh…

    My bad!

  61. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I agree with the fort. I assume he’ll get more playing time and RB is going into the backup roll. But I like how its been split so far and I’m not touching it until it needs to be.

  62. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lisa Lampanelli, in dissing Larry the Cable Guy, said GED stood for “Get ‘er Done.”

  63. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I imagine LTCG’s bank account is a lot bigger than hers!!

    Ha Ha Ha.

  64. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s really starting to hit the fan. Apparently, Joe Paterno wrote this before he passed. Coincidentally, his family has decided to release it today.

  65. JohninOshkosh says:


    That might be the only thing she has said that can be printed here!


    I hope JAL stays safe today. It’s hazardous to drive when there aren’t any traffic lights. :)

  66. JohninOshkosh says:

    Reading tea leaves here, but this get out in front of the story push by the Paterno family leads me to believe that the Freeh report is gong to be critical of the coach.

  67. Jimmy Krenn’s Pants,

    Good call on the furniture! You get the moonshine prize!

    Oshkosh b’gosh,

    It’s also hazardous to drive when there aren’t any lines on the roads!
    Darn tractors think they own the whole thing . . . . . especially in town!

  68. NMR says:


    Take a look at this article:

    The best way us keyboard GM’s have to guess trades is by looking at past comparisons. The article I linked does that in trying to determine the value of Cole Hamels and Zach Grienke, the two best pitchers on the market.

    I think it’s fair to assume that Dempster wouldn’t be on the same tier as those two. The new CBA also eliminated compensation picks for teams like the Pirates who would lose a rental player to free agency, so Dempsters value would even be lower.

    I’m personally a big fan of Dempster in this case, because I can’t see him going for more than one “B” level prospect. In the Pirates system, that would be Marte, Grossman, Heredia, Kingman, and McPhereson.

    Guys like Marte and Heredia have seen their stock rise significantly, so they’d probably be out. Also, Locke, Owens, and Wilson have also risen from lower ranks with good bounce back years at AAA.

    My exact trade? Rudy Owens + A ball player for Dempster.

  69. Bizrow says:

    Huntington does have a track record of trading with Theo, but I’m hoping they get someone else, Dempster is injury prone and never really excited me. With his 14 million salary though, if the PBC would pick most of that up, he might be gotten for little talent, on the other hand, there are several teams sniffing at him right now.

  70. Arriba Wilver says:

    John—one of the few, that’s for sure, which is too bad, because she’s hilarious. (Too bad that she doesn’t do more stuff that could be printed.)

  71. Arriba Wilver says:

    Biz—I agree on Dempster. But I didn’t know he was a waitress.

  72. I don’t even look at obtaining a pitcher until I get a hitter!

    ——Pirates have only 2 hitters in regular line-up hitting above .268
    ——Drew Sutton is falling like a rock because of too many ABs. He is an excellent bench player, not a regular.
    ——Pirate team batting average is actually lower than last year
    ——Maybe Garrett Jones continues along at .268; maybe Casey McGeheeheehee continues to improve on his .252 average; maybe Rod Barajas’ 7 HRs make up for his .218 average; maybe Michael McKenry is secretly the HR hitter he has been the last 2 weeks; maybe Alex Presley is better than his .235 average; maybe Clint Barmes has been saving up his hits for the 2nd Half . . . . . . . . . . and maybe not!!!

    Bucs need Starling Marte here on Friday night and they need not give away any resources on a rent-a-player pitcher until they see if the hitting with Presley and Marte picks up/continues!

  73. NMR says:


    Whats your flavor?

    It actually looks like the Pirates might have the best shot at getting Quentin. He and Victorino would be my preference, but I wouldn’t sleep on DeJesus either. Good OBP guy that would be around next year as well.

  74. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    Dempster’s stat line is pretty strange compared to his normal line. he took 1.3 BB/9 off of has last two years’ paces (and has waaaayyyy less than his career mark.) and about 1.3 K/9 off of the last two years’ paces (and is .5 K/9 lower than his career mark.

    I guess he sacrificed stuff for command? Adapting to an aging arm?

    I guess it is different for a rental guy than the kinds of trades we’re used to over the years, but trading for dempster is clearly a case of buying high instead of buying low. Would buying low on a guy like Garza be a better idea? Or is buying high a good practice when it comes to a deadline rental? we’re not used to being in this position!

  75. Gregg says:


    They are different circumstances, for sure. My analogy was meant to show how universities tend to (over)react to allegations versus facts.

    Administrative leave means that you have no contact with the university and are still employed, while a firing would allow for no commitment to the investigation. I don’t buy that Paterno would be more able to interfere with the process while on leave any more than when fired. McQuery was a witness too and he was on leave. And remember that the Attorney General called Paterno a model witness that gave the prosecution valuable evidence.

    The fact of the matter is that the Trustees overreacted under pressure, instead of acting like leaders willing to face the facts of the situation. I’m glad the facts will come out now, and even if Paterno is guilty of a cover up, calling for his firing anytime before tomorrow is shortsighted.


  76. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    @NMR Re #75

    I really like the idea of having Dejesus hitting ahead of cutch… very nice OBP that cutch should be able get some RBIs on.

    could be a very nice under-the-radar guy to pick up if he’s available

  77. NMR says:

    @Craig Wilson

    I actually like being in this rental player position. The way I see it, I don’t care if Dempster falls back to his career normals next year. At this moment, even after he’s returned from non-throwing arm injury, he’s pitching just as well as the best arms on the market.

    None of these rental players would command Cole or Taillon, and after that your basically down to the prospect crap shoot. I’ll take 15 starts from Dempster in a pennant race at the risk of Robbie Grossman developing into a stud outfielder, for instance.

  78. buggee says:

    Motley Crue, “Looks that Kill”. Bazinga

  79. Kevin says:


    Thanks for the link…good stuff that definitely brought me back off the ledge. I don’t know why it makes me so nervous, other than the Bucs have done a fantastic job building the program.

    Thanks to all for your opinions as well. The names I would prefer not to see on our side of the trade are Marte, Lincoln, Cole, Taillon plus a couple others. Owens – good with that. Locke – good with that.

    I agree that Dempster is the more attractive of the two I mentioned, but I wouldn’t mind having Garza either.

    Perhaps one more call to Derek Lee for the bat??
    (Kidding, of course – he doesn’t even write DK back!)

  80. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I heard Morgantown had a library, but there was a fire and both books were burned. Yunz need to get your facts straight.

  81. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:


    Yeah you’re probably right. Dempster will be a nice anchor whether he’s walking 2 or 3.5 guys per 9.

    I’ve just always had a thing for getting Matt Garza and i’ve been trying to rationalize why it would make more sense to get him than dempster, but dempster makes more sense.

    And i definitely agree on the Grossman thing. You grow your farm so you can trade some pieces that your organization is deep in for what you need. the pirates appear to have two very nice guys in mccutchen and marte under team control for a long time. assuming a very young and cheap appel, cole, and taillon will be in the rotation in a few years, there should be some payroll flexibility to fill any holes in the hitting lineup left by any Robbie Grossman trades.

  82. Arriba Wilver says:

    You hit it on the peanut, buggee. :-)

  83. buggee says:

    Drowning Pool: “Bodies”! Hey Now. Bet Dempster is a had-banger? We know Mike Tyson is

    For the latest in non-sequitorial nonsense, tune into

  84. pants-n-at says:

    @ Lucky. Funny. But they figured it was no big loss as they already knew everything there was to know about moonshine and farming.

  85. Vince says:

    I would appreciate it if someone could explain this “clear waivers” rule to me especially when I’m reading the Pens have 8 defensemen who need to do so.
    How does this work and why is it required?

  86. NMR says:


    I’m with you guys in rather having Garza for this year and next, but he’s making $9.5m this year and due for an arbitrated raise in 2013.

    On top of costing more in terms of prospects, I’m having a hard time believing Nutting & Co would be spending $8m on Burnett AND $11ish on Garza in the same year.

    Someday I’ll hopefully eat my words, but I’m still leary that this team will actually significantly increase its payroll.

  87. buggee says:

    Anything from System of a Down. Oh how my ears love me and caress the side of my noggin…

    Anyone know how Jo ‘Ta is doin’ down on the farm? Has he found a spine growing down there somewhere? Maybe he can work on his barrel-zone with Stetson Allie (that sounded alot worse than I meant)

    Just askin’. Tanks y’all. I can’t believe I’m gonna say this: “I’m Jonesing for some Bucco Baseball.” Raise it yinz jagoffs

  88. NMR says:

    To anyone from outside the tri state area, WestbygodVirginia and PA are pretty much indistinguishable once you get about 20 miles south of Pittsburgh.

    Just sayin’.

  89. JohninOshkosh says:


    I was just having fun with JAL’s post. I went to a game in Morgantown once. It was a blast. I’ve spent my whole life in cities, big and small, that are mocked by the beautiful people. I know the good people of Morgantown can roll with the punches! Besides, since they don’t have computer machines or the internet, they will never know we were having fun with them

  90. Mike Shigley says:

    Re the Penn State scandal discussion. Actually, none of the three were fired. Spanier resigned as president (under pressure, albeit) but remains as a tenured faculty member; Curley was placed on administrative leave; and Paterno was relieved of his coaching duties for the remainder of the year and permitted to retire. Now, the news stories at the time made it seem all three were fired, but technically they were not. And, I think the trustees acted fairly (other than the disgraceful phone call to Paterno rather than the honorable face to face), and they had no other choice. In spite of their ultimate guilt, they had lost their ability to lead and would have been forever forced to answer questions on Sandusky rather than do their jobs.

  91. Hey NMR! I live 25 miles south of Pittsburgh (out in the country near Washington)——and we’se folks ani’t nuttin’ like dos hillbillies down twart Morgantown way!!!

    We spit our chew in a cup——never on the floor.
    An’ our women mostly got a full head of teeth——mostly.

    An’ most ob our women know not to put their halter tops on backwards——most.

    An’ you never find mor’n 4-5 cars in any ob our yards.

    Whachu mean, indistinguishable???

    I thunk you be confusin’ us wid Steubenville!!

  92. scapper says:

    Glad someone brought up Kovalev while the Semin thing is out there. Very similar players. Sure, Kovalev seemed like a tremendous person, but otherwise he and Semin have a lot in common. Deadly on the power play, as good a shot as anyone in hockey, decent passer…but does anything to avoid contact, occasionally comes back for some perfunctory back-checking, and is not willing to do the dirty work.

    Forty goals is nothing to dismiss, but just know what you’re getting. If you loved Kovie, you’ll like Semin. If he drove you nuts (like he did me), Semin will have you yelling at your TV.

  93. The Gunner says:

    @ buggee – #88

    Greetings from the ol’ Gunner!

    I doubt if anyone on this blog cares about Jose (aka Joggin’ Joe) Tabata on this blog. In 5 games at Indy, he is 7 for 23 (.304 BA) with 8 total bases (1 double, his only extra base hit), and 2 RBIs. Let’s give Hustlin’ Jose a couple more weeks and re-visit his stats at that time because this is an extremely small sample size.

    IHowever, doubt if it makes any difference where his stats will be in a couple weeks because I am pretty sure he will be a member of another MLB organization by then.

    On another note, since his July 3 demotion, the Bucs have 5 wins and only 1 loss. The Bucs appear to be a better team without this guy.

  94. Arriba Wilver says:

    Mike—great post. Nice to add some facts into the discussion. And McQueary has Whistleblower protection, at least arguably.

    Groat–I was going to say I didn’t know about Greene County, but Washington County has internet access. I didn’t realize you were in the area.

  95. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Didn’t they invent the tooth brush in WV? Since they only have one tooth each? Actually, I heard that about KY, but since I live here and I have 2, that can’t be accurate.


    Steubenville is known for other things (not only the birthplace of Dean Martin).

  96. buggee says:

    Thank you Gunner!!!

  97. NMR says:

    I guess I should’ve written that I personally fall into the rural PA category myself. I’m allowed to make fun of my own!

    I know you guys were just doin’ some good natured ribbing and Groat gets my post of the day vote!

  98. National Mart of Records,

    The only guy I like on your list is Willingham, and I still do not believe Twins want to give him up. Bucs would have to overpay, I think. He’s drives the ball over the fence and plays an average outfield (although it’d be scary with both he and Garrett Jones flanking McCutch.)

    Span is another very good one, but the Nationals have been trying to get him all season, and if he moves, I believe the Nationals will pay more than BMTIB.

    deJesus has already peaked, and I sure don’t want him for 2 years. I just see him as a Matt Diaz who fields better. I would think both Tabata and Presley have a higher upside——but neither has shown it this season.

    I think both of the Uptons are the best players on that list, but I’m not ready for “the disturbance in The Force” that is present in our locker room. Why do the Diamondbacks want to get rid of a 24 year old, signed for multiple years, who hit over 30 HRs last year, leading them to 1st Place!!

    Heck, if you want problems, take Soriano——you can get him for two broken bats and the Cubs will pay 47 million to wave bye-bye.

  99. Milo Hamilton says:

    Too bad JoePa didn’t live long enough to find out he wasn’t fired.

  100. NMR says:


    “On another note, since his July 3 demotion, the Bucs have 5 wins and only 1 loss. The Bucs appear to be a better team without this guy.”

    Speaking of small sample sizes…

  101. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo—the post that started the discussion suggested that they should have been put on administrative leave, so there are all kinds of technicalities involved.

    Tomorrow looks to be setting up as a bar burner, at least after 9:00 am.

  102. NMR says:


    I’ll agree with you that nobody on that list jumps out at me.

    Kind of why I didn’t join the crowd that felt the Pirates just absolutely had to make a move, ANY MOVE, two and a half months ago.

    I do think there are players that can help and should be aquired, though.

  103. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not bar, but barn burner, but on second thought . . .

  104. Milo Hamilton says:


    Adult beverages will be consumed.

  105. The Gunner says:

    @ NMR – #102

    You are absolutely correct, let’s see where both the Bucs and Joggin’ Joe are in about 2 2 weeks or so.

    @ LuckyNKentucky – #97

    Could you mean the Water St. area???

  106. NMR says:


    I’m looking for it to be a cathartic event, frankly. The sooner every cancer is removed the better.

    People are going to be dissapointed if they expect anything more damning than the previously leaked emails to come out, IMO. I don’t believe for a minute that CNN/prosecution just randomly chose those few.

  107. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I’d rather have a rental starter, Dempster or whoever and implant one or two of the AAA guys in the rotation.

    Take over for the departed Bedard and whoever the rental is.

    If the rental can go 6-7 innings per outing, I’m all over that.

  108. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    As far as position players are concerned, I’m still in favor of Victorino. His numbers are down this year, but the guy knows how to play the game. 110% every time out.

  109. National Mart of Records,

    I DON’T see the Bucs sustaining this hitting surge.

    I think they need a hitter, possibly desperately. Yet I would like them to try out Starling Marte before they start selling the farm (wid dos 4-5 cars in da yard!)

    Willingham is signed somewhat friendly through 2014, and if I were BMTIB I would keep my hand in the mix there, moving close to the deadline . . . . . . because he is the only one (other than Justin Upton potential) who consistently hits the ball out of the yard. I could be wrong, but I think the hype on Quinton is bigger than his consistent production.

    Marte may be Span——with power——so I don’t jump on Span just yet. That’s why Marte needs to get here. If he starts out like Spring Training, we’re set. If he hits like Pedro last year, then we need to pull the trigger.

    Vernon Wells and Alphonso Soriano will both be there after the trade deadline and both would clear waivers . . . . . if we become desperate.

  110. JohninOshkosh says:


    I don’t expect much more from the report either. For the reasons you give. Also, don’t think Freeh had subpoena power. If he did, I’m sure there was a lot of 5th Amendments being thrown around. If he didn’t, then the major players would have been unwise to talk. That leaves Freeh relying on Freedom of Information Act stuff, testimony from lower level people fearing prosecution and conjecture from communications obtained.

    Doubt the report will be much more than that. It will be interesting to see what the conclusions are on why certain people were not subjected to prosecution. Also, will be interesting to see what the NCAA’s next move will be after the report.

  111. JRay3 says:

    The Pirates bullpen has thrown 260.1 innings this year 9th most in the Majors. Significantly more than the Cardinals at 243 innings 20th in the Majors and the Reds 221 innings for 28th in the Majors.

    Ryan Dempster in his five starts before going on the DL threw 106, 98, 101, 117, 106 pitches and went 7 innings or more in four of them.

    He not only would be a vast improvement over Bedard but is an innings eater which will be important as the season winds down so this bullpen does not get over used and fatigued.

  112. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR–depends on what your expectations are, I guess. I don’t think that, other than Sandusky, we are talking about bad men. I don’t think these guys sat around and said, “who cares about the kids, we have to protect the University.”. I suspect they were insensitive, maybe unconsciously, to the ramifications for others, other than the University, in making the decisions they did. But I don’t think for a second that they never discussed what they were going to do with Joe after he reported it. That strains credibility, unless it was a plan, which I’m saying I don’t think it was. And that’s a far cry from saying Joe manufactured a coverup. I think they were hoping it would just go away. But that doesn’t let them off the hook.

  113. NMR says:


    I think you touched on a scary point with Quentin. Even though he may be the belle of the ball, he’s been pretty awful for about the last month. When you have one part inconsistant, one part injury prone, and one part legit slugger, you’re playing with fire.

  114. Johnnie Ray III,

    Dempster is a good choice. So is Cole Hamels. So is Matt Garza. So is Cliff Lee. All of them are better than the Human Rain Delay, Eric Bedard!

    However, what do the Pirates have to give up???

    What do Bucs have to give up for 2 months?

    I do not want to give up a Ryan Vogelsong-type for 2 months of maybe help.

    If it’s just cash, or AA or A possible prospects, I’m all in. Yet, right now, I’m shaky giving up the AAA pitchers, and I would NOT give up Marte, Cole, Taillon, Heredia, Bell.

    I’d trade Tony Sanchez or Stetson Allie or the Great All Star pitcher we got for Freddie Sanchez in a heartbeat. Those guys aren’t wanted by other teams.

    Heck, since Jeff Clement is no good to us, trade him for Cole Hamels.

  115. NMR says:


    I think Freeh’s report has already been potentially monumental in uncovering hard evidence that even the Feds missed. That alone makes it a huge success.

    My point was that I feel people outside of PSU are waiting for it to be written in the form of the Grand Jury Report, one whose point it was to prosecute Sandusky, Curley, and Schultz.

    Freeh’s report is supposed to be tailored for the University itself to identify the problems and recommend solutions, as they already have and PSU has followed.

    I certainly wasn’t speaking of the acts themselves. And for what its worth, Arriba, I share your exact same views.

  116. Milo Hamilton says:


    You do realize that’s a difference of 1 out a game ?

  117. Boise Bucco says:

    AFN is replaying the All-Star game and I caught it right in the bottom of the 9th–time to watch Hanny’s strikeout again!

  118. NMR says:

    I still don’t know how the report, including emails, can be made public with the trials of Curley and Schultz still pending. Just in terms of legality. Isn’t that evidence now?

  119. National Mart of Records,

    You expressed my thoughts exactly on Carlos Quenton . . . . better than I did!

  120. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I’m not a fan of Quentin. However, get him out of SD and he may improve.

    I don’t believe he can manage LF in PNC. I divert back to the speedy guys.

  121. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Where are you now that you are watching AFN? Not in MH?

  122. JHadar says:


    re: Dempster — he might help, but if you did make the playoffs you wouldn’t want to go in with a lot of Cubness on the squad.

    Just sayin’.

  123. NMR says:


    Have you heard about how Searage supposedly found a mechanical flaw in Bedard’s delivery and they moved him back in the rotation for more time to work on it?

    In my mind, Bedard has either been good or hurt in his career, never just plain bad.

    If there has been something identified, I’m gonna give him at least a few more starts before giving up.

  124. Boise Bucco says:

    Wow…Hanny…2 wild pitches? Looks like he’s trying to throw it THROUGH the glove.

  125. Boise Bucco says:

    Haha nooo, I’ve been overseas since last September…I might get back to Idaho one of these days.

  126. Man, I really wish there was a Pirate game tonight . . . . .

    I have mowed the lawn, cleaned up the garage, worked on my car, and called my mother to tell her I love her! I am really scraping the bottom of the barrel!!!!!

    Pretty soon I’ll be breaking out the Gideon’s Bible!!

  127. JohninOshkosh says:


    The university is free to release any report it wants. The Judge will have to determine whether documents, e-mails and party admissions contained in it and sought to be used by the parties at trial come in as evidence.

  128. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I didnt’ catch that. I’m also not giving up on Bedard either, especially if Searage found something there.

    I’d replace Corriea before Bedard.

  129. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    AFN sucks so bad…….I’m guessing Korea?

  130. JHadar says:

    Just out of curiosity —

    Do the folks in West Virginia tell Pennsylvania jokes?

    Out here we tell a lot of Minnesota jokes, especially the Sven and Ole, variety. The folks in Minnesota try to tell Iowa jokes too — but they’re not as funny.

  131. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – Sure it is just one out a game and over the course of a season that amounts to 54 innings and 6 full games.

    Looking closer it could also mean how many times were a Resop or Hughes or Watson called to get ready but did not make it into a game? There are many factors to consider in addition to our pen requiring to get more outs than other pens. Some have suggested including @DK that Hanrahan needs some rest. I just mention as I believe if we keep watching Bedard throw 4-5 innings in his starts or the pen has to get up early just in case in his starts that will end up catching up to you.

    @ Groat – Good question, I would give up a Robbie Grossman or a prospect arm like McPherson, Kingham, Cain, Von Rosenberg type for a two month rental, not much more. And that maybe enough with the new rules that teams getting a rental do not receive compensation if lost in free agency.

  132. Arriba Wilver says:

    Correia–everybody’s whipping boy despite the facts. DK has tried to make that point, apparently in vain. He’s not AJ or JMac, we get it, but he’s not been a bad back of the rotation guy.

  133. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I’m not sure what street in Steubenville, as I didn’t frequent the establishments, but some of my HS friends said they did. (I seriously doubt it. Back then, it was more brag than fact unlike it is today). It’s been 14 years since I got my last speeding ticket in Dean Martin town. You can drive all the way from KY and not get picked up, but go through there and you get out your wallet. At least they had great HS football there for a while. I take a different route home now and miss it altogether.

    I think we should steer clear of Quentin. JMHO.

  134. Arriba Wilver says:

    JH—I don’t think they make jokes. Who they going to point to, Kentucky? :-)

  135. JRay3 says:

    Erik Bedard’s June / July Starts in IP: 3.2, 7, 3.1, 6, 6, 4.2, 3.2.

    So the bullpen has been asked to cover 29.2 innings while he has pitched 34 innings in those last seven starts.

    I call it alarming when in his last seven starts he has pitched less than 5 innings four times. Fingers crossed the extra time off allows him to figure things out.

  136. albatross says:

    “Kruk’s opinion on anything (mainly hitting) will always be tainted by his absolute fear to stand in against Randy Johnson.”

    I always use that moment as the illustration of what went wrong with the All-Star Game and eventually led to all the silliness of today. I thought it was disgraceful, and Kruk and the announcers thought it was hilarious.

    Can you imagine what Pete Rose would have done if he had been on that team when Kruk did that?

  137. Iowa Hadar,

    West Virginia folks can’t tell jokes——they have no sense of humor.

    Johnnie Ray III,

    If you can make a trade for any of those you mentioned, go for it.

    I do not agree, however, that the lack of draft compensation will make trades for less; that sounds like the stats geeks talking. (the same ones who put Bert Blyleven in the Hall of Fame!! Dang it!!) There are too many “buyers” right now——that will drive the demanded return up, not lessen it.

  138. Boise Bucco says:

    Man, I wish I was in Korea. I’d be drunk right now! I’m in SWA right now–no booze for me :(

  139. NMR says:


    Not sayin’ he’s bad. I actually agree with you that he’s be very serviceable where he’s at.

    But if I’m bringing in an improvement for a playoff push, it better bring more than him.

  140. JohninOshkosh says:


    You are forgetting that the ESPY’s are on tonight. I am sure that Dejan will be tuning in with his love for all things ESPN and to see if Foghat or Nickelback performs. Also, I believe Fox Soccer Channel is reshowing the February match between Fulham and Stoke City. So put down your Bible.

    @JHader: What’s the best thing that ever came out of Minnesota? Interstate 35.

  141. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I realize Corriea has done well recently and I’ve seen the numbers. I am happy with his latest performances, but don’t trust that he continue to perform the way he has been.

  142. JohninOshkosh says:

    Where’s that ESPY thread anyway?

    I think the big Red Carpet is about to begin. Can’t wait to see who Stuart Scott (is he still there?) brought for a date.

  143. JHadar says:

    Johnny —

    Speaking of interstate 35, Minnesota is cracking down on people who fail their driving tests. They make them put a blue and white license plate on their car.

  144. The Gunner says:

    To all posters regarding Erik Bedard

    I’d give this guy no more than 3 tries, hopefully Searage can help him. When Bedard is on his game, he has done fine albeit he had no offensive support early in the year. As of late, he is looking like the guy he replaced, Paul Maholm except he does not have PM’s durability. When both Bedard and Maholm are on their game, I give the nod to Bedard hands down.

    Let’s hope Ray Searage can pull off a miracle here. – but no more than 3 tries.

  145. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Bucco’s are 35/1 odds to win it all.

    I’m in. Contacts in Vegas being called as we speak> (type)

  146. JHadar says:

    Gunner —

    Why three, why not two or four?

  147. PhillyPoke says:

    How about someone like Alex Steen, Cal Clutterbuck or Sergei Kostitsyn?

    DK: Are either of the first two available?

  148. Milo Hamilton says:


    I’m giving him one. Maybe.

  149. I joined JAL in his unqualified support for Bedard at the beginning of the year. Y’all might recall that JAL lobbied for Bedard to get the Opening Day start, which he did.

    I have kept waiting for the injury bug to bite Bedard all year. Unfortunately, he instead has been bitten by two other bugs: the slo-o-o-o-ow motion bug . . . . and the groove-the-pitch bug, both bug bites lethal to Bedard’s teammates’ good health and success.

    Bedard needs to start pitching inside again!!!

    . . . . . . or we need to see Rudy Owens or Jeff Locke tossing in that spot!

  150. Bizrow says:

    Folks, by my calendar its July 11th

    Every game counts but the “game has not yet begun”

    Lets see what we do the next 7 games

    Its a marathon


    Hope but expect

    Just sayin

  151. The Gunner says:

    @ JHadar – #148

    You take the four, my man.

    Believe me, I am being extremely generous by giving him 3 tries. If he is absolutely awful after 2 tries, eat his contract and release him. After all, we are in a pennant race for a change. No more of this “next year” crap!!

  152. JRay3 says:

    Starling Marte just grounded out to SS on a 3-1 pitch in his first plate appearance in the AAA All-Star game.

  153. The Gunner says:

    @ JRay3 – 154

    Do you think the Bucs will finally make the announcement that Marte is getting recalled sometime tomorrow or will they wait until Friday?

    DK: Might be a little longer, I’m hearing.

  154. The Gunner says:


    Thanks for the info – why the delay? Could it be a trade for an experienced bat is in process?

    DK: Don’t know.

  155. Drew71 says:

    no game thread

    i have no idea what to do with myself tonight

  156. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just caught a few minutes of the ESPYs and was surprised to see the LA Kings pick up an “award.” Didn’t know that network recognized Hockey as a sport.

    Oh, and Olivia Munn-Wowza. Well done ESPN for getting her as a presenter.

  157. JohninOshkosh says:

    Even the delightfully quirky Zooey Deschanel can’t make Aaron Rodgers less wooden and award show banter less painful. Ugh. Please come back, baseball.

  158. Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle says:

    Can’t believe they’re not calling up Marte tomorrow….Seems like the perfect time…Presley back in left and Marte in right (good arm)….stronger bench….Jones mainly at first with McGehee spelling him….Unless we get a stud guy with a few years on his contract (Pence to Philly last year), I don’t want a single retread…..Let’s win with our guys…..

  159. The Gunner says:

    @ LuckyNKentucky – #135

    Ha ha, I am sure your friends gave you all the info on the Steubenville establishments and you, of course, lived a sheltered life. And we all believe in the Easter Bunny. But that was then and this is now. You are all right in my book.

    We are in a pennant race – I never thought I’d live to see this again and I am barely 60 years of age!!

    I am confident NH and the FO will address the Bedard issue and make a strong attempt to bring in some offensive help. It won’t be long!!

  160. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I did lead a sheltered life. I was fat and not good looking in HS like I am now. Couldn’t even pay for what we’re talking about then. They would have to give back the money. (Thank God, I’m better for it). I’m almost 60 myself, BTW. Nice to talk real baseball after the All-Star break.

  161. The Gunner says:

    @ LuckyNKentucky @ 162

    Hey lucky

    I too was fat but they still took my money. Eventually I shed the baby fat and became quite a handsome guy. So it sounds like we have a lot in common. I am so sick of this Penn State crap; it is sounding like JoePa’s will be remembered pretty negatively.

    Gee, I wish the Bucs were playing tonight.

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