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Live blog: Penn State investigation

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

In lieu of the Wakeup Call this morning, we’re going to focus entirely on the results of the Penn State investigation, due for an online release at 9 a.m. You can find it right here.

And I mean it when I say we.

Going to try something different here. Rather than write a 24-hour-old column for the Friday paper on this topic, I’m going to look through the material just as you can, then search through an array of interpretations, viewpoints and reactions. That’s where you come in. If you find something that adds to the discussion, add your link below, and I’ll put it up here.

Consider it a live, interactive column-as-you-go.

We’ll keep going right up until the regular weekly chat at noon.

USA Today’s Christine Brennan, of whom I have long been a fan, wrote in anticipation of the release. Wouldn’t envy anyone that assignment.

Here is the Trib’s ongoing coverage.

UPDATE 9:01 a.m.: And there goes the download race. Anyone else having trouble? Or is the entire nation looking at “Unable to Serve this Request?”

9:10: This isn’t an easy story to “break.” Takes actual time to digest. Highly reminiscent of the Supreme Court’s decision last week on health care, which several outlets blew because of a rush to take a complex document and condense it to a bulletin.

Looking at the AP wire, and it still has a one-sentence alert: “Report: Paterno, others at Penn St. demonstrated no concern for well-being of abuse victims.” I also am watching CNN, the most prominent of those who seriously blew the Supreme Court news, and the guy on there now is only talkng about “how careful I want to be in waiting to see the full report.”

Yep.

9:15: The New York Times is moving faster than anyone else I can find.

Here’s the money statement from former FBI chief Louis Freeh, the man who led the investigation: “Our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims. The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized.”

9:16: Here’s a better link to the report, thanks to Todd down in comments. I’ve got mine open, and the first thing I did — probably not alone on this — is search the pdf document for references to Joe Paterno. Turns up he’s on 69 of the 200 pages.

9:26: I’m kind of cheating and moving down to the Mike McQuery stuff, the place where the most likely smoking gun would be found. Couple key excerpts:

A contemporaneous “confidential” note of a February 12, 2001 meeting between Schultz and Curley reflects that the men “[r]eviewed 1998 history.” The note states that Schultz and Curley “[a]greed [Curley] will discuss w JVP [Paterno] & advise we think [Curley] should meet w JS [Sandusky] on Friday. Unless he confesses to having a problem, [Curley] will indicate we need to have DPW [Department of Public Welfare] review the matter as an independent agency concerned w child welfare.” Without ever speaking to McQueary, Schultz and Curley had already decided that not reporting Sandusky’s conduct to authorities may be an option.

By February 12, 2001, Schultz and/or Curley had: met with Paterno who reported what McQueary had told him; had a “heads up” meeting with Spanier advising him about the incident; discussed the “reporting of suspected child abuse” with outside counsel; reviewed the history of the 1998 incident; checked to see if the incident was documented in police files; agreed that Curley would discuss with Paterno the idea of approaching Sandusky to see if he would “confess to having a problem;” and researched the Board membership of the Second Mile.

There is no information indicating that Spanier, Schultz, Paterno or Curley made any effort to identify the child victim or determine if he had been harmed.

9:35: Smoking gun, anyone?

I’m not CNN, and I don’t have a team of lawyers scrutinizing. Just shamelessly seeking the punch line. You know, just like all of you.

9:42: This is as close as anything I can find, as reported by the Times:

One new and central finding of the Freeh investigation is that Paterno knew as far back as 1998 that there were concerns Sandusky might be behaving inappropriately with children. It was then that the campus police investigated a claim by a mother that her son had been molested by Sandusky in a shower at Penn State.

9:52: I’ll be honest. I’m not done yet, but what I see so far are a lot of sweeping statements. It’s intriguing that the word “instituational” in on 11 different pages of the report, in each case referring to instituational control. That’s a hot-button word in the NCAA because it’s the most likely path to the so-called death penalty for football.

The report says Penn State must answer four questions regarding institutional control and ethics.

Does that open the door for the NCAA to move next?

Actually, does it make it mandatory that the NCAA does so?

9:58: Andy in the comments notes that Tom Bradley is never mentioned. That’s correct. I’m sure that’s also a relief to those, including myself, who have believed in the man.

10:00: It’s becoming clear that the focus here is that Paterno knew of Sandusky’s behavior in 1998. That would directly contradict Paterno’s testimony to the grand jury that he knew only of the 2001 shower incident.

If he lied about that …

10:04: Freeh, in his news conference now, calls those 2001 emails that were leaded last week “the most important evidence” his investigation produced. He also confirmed the McQueary incident was in 2001, not 2002 as McQueary had previously confused.

10:12: Why do I have to keep changing the channel to hear this?

10:13: Boom! Freeh very specifically targets Paterno’s Feb. 26, 2001, conversation with the three principles as “critical” in the burying of the 2001 incident. Of Paterno’s already known remark to McQueary at the time that he’d figure out what to do, Freeh caustically asked, “What was there to figure out?”

10:20: This is from Slick in the comments: “If the NCAA does hand down the death penalty, they should allow each of the Scholarship players to transfer to another school this year even if said school is at their scholarship limit.  PSU should also be on the hook for the salaries for the coaches and support staff until they find equivalent employment elsewhere.”

This sounds good, but the general concept that somehow the current football program gets to wash its hands and move on, that’s not how it works. When Enron committed massive financial fraud, the company wasn’t about to just walk because it changed figureheads. Punishments still apply to the institution or company.

In other words, it sounds good when you say it. Doesn’t mean a thing.

10:27: Jay Paterno issues a statement in which he calls this investigation “still just one opinion, one piece of the puzzle.” Um, no.

10:28: “No indication,” Freeh said, that Paterno told any of his assistants what he knew about Sandusky. This is twice now Freeh has stressed that. Important and telling on a lot of levels.

10:31: Freeh won’t comment on whether Paterno perjured himself, but Freeh stresses that Paterno “clearly followed” the 1998 case and that the  notion Paterno wasn’t aware of it — as he told the grand jury — “is completely contradicted by the evidence.” That’s Freeh openly, glaringly accusing Paterno of lying.

This is it. This is the thing.

10:35: Freeh has been in regular contact with the NCAA since the investigation began, “at their initiation. … What they find is going to be based on their criteria and their conclusions.” He added that the NCAA wasn’t privy to the investigation’s findings, though, until the rest of us were.

10:36: Freeh, on whether Paterno deserved to be fired: “Yes.” That was the whole answer.

10:39: Schultz “actively sought to conceal those” emails, Freeh said, adding that “it was a dumb thing to do. You don’t do that.” Sounds like the beginning of a doubly serious charge for that man.

10:40: Good God. The assistant DA who declined to prosecute in 1998 refused to speak to the investigators. Just wow.

10:45: Going to type up something on a separate file here soon. Thanks so much to so many of you for participating and helping.

Comments

  1. JAL says:

    JAL’s The Big Draft Morning Links

    GENERAL DAILY UPDATED BASEBALL SITES

    1- MLB Transactions

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pittsburgh_pirates/

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)

    http://gobuccos.com/pittsburgh-pirate-news/

    4 Pirates Prospects Draft Pick Signing Tracker

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012draft

    PIRATE BLOGS

    5—Pirates Prospects

    Pirates Sign Dominican Outfielder for $700 K

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-sign-dominican-outfielder-for-700-k.html

    Prospect Watch: Colton Cain Continues Hot Streak

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/prospect-watch-colton-cain-continues-hot-streak.html

    Joely Rodriguez and Adrian Sampson Pitch Spikes to Victory

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/joely-rodriguez-and-adrian-sampson-pitch-spikes-to-victory.html

    Pirates Sign 17th Round Pick Hayden Hurst

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    First Pitch: Moving on From Appel? International Potential.

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    6 Bucs Dugout

    2012 All-Star Game: N.L. Wins Easily, 8-0

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    Pirates’ Minor League Roundup: Good Starts from Colton Cain and Joely Rodriguez

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2012/7/11/3153941/pirates-minor-league-roundup-good-starts-from-colton-cain-and-joely

    7 Rumbunter

    Pittsburgh Pirates Trade Rumors: What About Ryan Dempster?

    http://rumbunter.com/2012/07/10/pittsburgh-pirates-trade-rumors-what-about-ryan-dempster/

    8 McEffect

    Half-season Minor League Positional Roundup: First Base

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    How Many More Wins do the Pirates Need?

    http://www.mceffect.com/2012/07/how-many-more-wins-do-pirates-need.html

    9 The Green Weenie

    Roster Make Over For The Stretch Run?

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    10 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Win a “Chicken on the Hill” shirt by doing the “Zoltan”

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    11 WHY GAVS

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  2. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    12 The Kittanning Paper

    BUFFONE: “Buyer Beware” for Pirates

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    13 Sports Illustrated

    Bold predictions for the second-half

    http://mlb.si.com/2012/07/11/second-half-bold-predictions/?sct=mlb_t11_a0

    14 The Christian Science Monitor

    Surprise! The Pittsburgh Pirates, Washington Nats are in first – for now

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Sports/2012/0711/Surprise!-The-Pittsburgh-Pirates-Washington-Nats-are-in-first-for-now

    15 Galesburg Register-Mail

    Paul Jannace: Nats, Pirates highlight MLB’s first half

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    16 Sarasota Herald Tribune

    Pirates in position to make noise in second half of baseball season

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    17 Fredericksburg Free Lance Star

    STEVE DESHAZO: Ritchie’s ‘process’ making believers out of Pirates’ sluggers

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    SPORTS WEBSITES

    18 PBC Site

    Pirates hope fast start leads to strong finish

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    19 Fangraphs

    Second-Half Storylines: NL Edition

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-to-look-for-in-the-second-half-nl-edition/

    20 Baseball Prospectus

    On the Beat

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17589

  3. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    My One Nagging Concern About the Upcoming Steelers Season: Todd Haley

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/7/11/3151432/my-one-nagging-concern-about-the-upcoming-steelers-season-todd-haley

    Battle of the (AFC North) Running Backs—How Do They Compare?

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/7/11/3150485/battle-of-the-afc-north-running-backshow-do-they-compare

    Early Candidates for NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year

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    22 Steelers Depot

    -2012 Pittsburgh Steelers Training Camp Roster Battles: Quarterbacks

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    23 Steelers Gab

    RB Dwyer Says He’s Getting More in Shape for 2012

    http://www.steelersgab.com/2012/07/02/rb-dwyer-says-hes-getting-more-in-shape-for-2012/

    24 Nice Pick Cower

    Three Steelers Primed for Bounce-Back Seasons

    http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/07/11/three-steelers-primed-for-bounce-back-seasons/

    Pitt Blogs

    25 Pitt Blather

    How to read the Freeh Report

    http://www.pittblather.com/2012/07/11/how-to-read-the-freeh-report/

    26 Cardiac Hill

    Rutgers, Louisville, And South Florida Big East BCS Favorites

    http://www.cardiachill.com/2012/7/11/3142659/2012-2013-bowl-projections-predictions-big-east-acc-expansion-pitt-rutgers-louisville-south-florida

    WVU Blogs

    27 Metro News

    Midnight Tip For WVU-Gonzaga

    http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=53779

    28 WV Illustrated

    West Virginia in NCAA Football 13

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    Soccer(football)

    29 Sky Sports

    Modric exit talks ongoing

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/7889148/Modric-exit-talks-ongoing

    30 Daily Telegraph

    Tottenham manager Andre Villas-Boas reveals hurt over Roman Abramovich’s ‘broken promises’ at Chelsea

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/9393806/Tottenham-manager-Andre-Villas-Boas-reveals-hurt-over-Roman-Abramovichs-broken-promises-at-Chelsea.html

    31 World Soccer Daily

    10 Ten stories you need to read, July 11th, 2012

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  4. JAL says:

    Today’s quirky song is The Big Draft by the Four Preps. Not the same draft as the big topic this week. The Four Preps had some hits but also had fun with songs. In this one they mimic other popular groups of the time.

  5. Thundercrack says:

    Our prized prospect Starling Marte only got one at-bat in last night’s AAA All Star Game.
    One stinkin’ at-bat.

    I blame ESPN and Chris Berman. Somehow.

  6. Drew71 says:

    Who were they interviewing at the time?

  7. Thundercrack says:

    @Drew

    Whoever the Pirates should have taken instead of Tony Sanchez.

    Or was it Zach Duke?

  8. JAL says:

    Links to occupy you until 9. Number 25 is a pre-look at the Freeh Report

  9. pants-n-at says:

    I didn’t notice this yesterday and I forgot to do it but I must give credit where credit is due. I want to personally thank the National League All-Stars for getting the Pirates home field advantage for this year’s World Series. Thanks guys!

    Believe it!

    There….always good to start the day on a positive note!

  10. Rocco says:

    I’m liking the idea DK – definitely going to have this page opened up at work all morning to see what the asylum has to say!

  11. Drew71 says:

    And whichever former Sanchez alternative it was, Mr. Sunshine will point out something like four other teams also passed on him.

    And No, Arriba. That is NOT one of your many nicknames.

  12. CWalton_67 says:

    At the penultimate moment of his life, presented with a choice between the welfare of a child, or his reputation and that of a college football program, Joe Paterno failed. If he spends an eternity feeling guilt for his unconscionable lack of action to protect those who could not protect themselves–he deserves every second of it.

  13. Leefoo says:

    In that AAA All Star game, I noticed two things:

    Zach Duke pitching and Jonathan Mayo calling Rudy Owens “Zach Duke Redux”
    Scouting Report: Fringy FB.

    No thanks….I’ve seen enough ‘fringy’ FBs from LHPs.

    .

  14. Leefoo says:

    *********FREE THE FREEH REPORT!!****************

    PSU Foo

    .

  15. Leefoo says:

    CWalton_67……….obviously you and two other people think she’s on target. Did you read the comments. Horrible column.

    Btw, would the USA Today still be publishing if not for Hotels?

    Crappy paper any more.

    .

  16. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Sad to see “The Duke of Pittsburgh” relegated to fame in the AAA All-Star game. Right there with the likes of Bryan Bullington, Jon Wasdin and many others. But, the International League is a “pitch-to-contact” league, right? Duke still gave up a run. But Rudy Owens didn’t.

  17. NMR says:

    No offense, CWalton, but that article you linked is a complete waste of time.

    First question the author asked if how can anyone believe an investigation commissioned by Penn State be trusted as independant. The emails uncovered by said investigation, emails missed by state and federal investigations, should’ve made that crystal clear.

    Anyone with that much inherent bias loses complete credibility. She’s saying in no uncertain terms that unless the report says anything but burn the place down that its flawed. Why even do the investigation?

    The biggest, and most depressing, fallacy in her ramblings is this:
    “He (Paterno) was the man with the real power to stop the sexual abuse of young boys in his locker room.”

    The author hasn’t learned a single thing in this whole atrocious lesson if she thinks that Paterno was the only one with the power to stop Sandusky. That comment infuriates me to no end. The lesson learned to anyone with a clear head and no bias should be that upwards of a dozen people spanning a decade of time had the power to stop this. Those people are like you and I, not a powerful man like Paterno.

    She just oozes righteous indignation.

    Talk about not getting it? Brennan truly doesn’t.

  18. Joseph says:

    “Error connecting to database” :(

  19. buggee says:

    Was Sandusky being investigated in the 90′s for this crap, and didn’t something nefarious happen to the investigator?

  20. Rocco says:

    me too Joseph :(

  21. NMR says:

    You broke the internets.

  22. Leefoo says:

    “The author hasn’t learned a single thing in this whole atrocious lesson if she thinks that Paterno was the only one with the power to stop Sandusky. That comment infuriates me to no end.”

    NMR….I am with you on the infuriation part.

    If he had had a 3rd straight losing season instead of going 11-1 after the infamous ‘house’ meeting, he would’ve been fired then.

    And why would Joe protect Sandusky? He didn’t LIKE Jerry the perv.

    .

  23. NMR says:

    So who’s the fastest reader?

    Eh nevermind, everybody will only be skimming the report until they find Paternos name anyways…

  24. Leefoo says:

    buggee…the DA went missing about 8 yrs or so ago….nobody has a clue why. To even connect him to the Sandusky case is a huge reach.

    Foo

    .

  25. Rocco says:

    lol very frustrating that I still can’t get thru – I wonder if it’s the website or if my work is just blocking it…can anyone else get through?

  26. Kibab1979 says:

    I get the following message when I try to download:

    Blocked by mod_slotlimit. More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

  27. JB says:

    Wasn’t the missing DA investigating the 1998 accusations against Sandusky?

  28. Rocco says:

    I either get that or the Unable to process request DK mentions at the top…weak!

  29. BMac says:

    Blocked by mod_slotlimit. More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

  30. BMac says:

    soooooooo…….. how bout those buccos?

  31. @suckmeter says:

    Freeh report states Paterno knew about the 1998 incident & did nothing. Sucks the 2001 incident was the 2nd incidence brought to JoePa. Joe Paterno could have and SHOULD HAVE done more.

  32. Joseph says:

    Chicago Tribune is reporting on some details of the report — JoePa takes a hit: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-crime-sanduskybre86b05d-20120711,0,5217577.story

  33. Lee says:

    CNN has a link that is a pdf file that got me past my employer’s filters. Not sure how to copy links but will try:

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/12/freeh.report.pdf?hpt=hp_t1

  34. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–that DA is the one who investigated the 1998 allegations. Hardly a reach to connect him to the Sandusky case, unless you meant to connect his disappearance to Sandusky.

  35. Joseph says:

    Links to both the report and the associated press release are non-functional.

  36. Joseph says:

    @tmp444 — thanks!

  37. BMac says:

    While we are waiting for that website to work, Deadspin provides the 7-page press release from Louis Freeh

    “the most powerful leaders at Penn State University – Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno andCurley – repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse from the authorities, the Board of Trustees, Penn State community, and the public at large.”

    http://deadspin.com/5925386/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

  38. Joseph says:

    Bottom of page 14 about sums it up.

  39. Joe Kenyon says:

    The Washington Post’s Jenna Johnson is live blogging the report as well. Here is the link: http://liveblog.washingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/freeh-report-released-on-penn-states-handling-of-jerry-sanduskys-child-sex-abuse/

  40. BMac says:

    Joseph- Wow. Agreed that section is pretty damning of the entire leadership at PSU.

    Not only covering it up- but that they actually alerted Jerry Sandusky of what McQueary saw in the shower.

    Yuck.

  41. Joseph says:

    Page 227: A smoking gun? Certainly seems to be an acknowledgement that reporting rules were not being followed.

    DK: Not finding that. Where is it?

  42. CWalton_67 says:

    LeeFoo and NMR–Interesting comments on the column, and I respect your opinions. Certainly, USAToday is not a beacon of brilliant journalism. Also certainly, others likely could have taken action to stop this predator from abusing young boys.

    That said–I stand by my comment posted prior to the link. Joe Paterno should have taken action to protect those incapable of protecting themselves. He chose himself instead. All others involved in the situation would have taken their cues from his action or lack thereof. Others involved unquestionably had the same moral obligation to take action, but were no doubt influenced and/or manipulated by the man with the ulitmate responsibility to end the conditions which allowed Sandusky to harm children.

  43. OZ says:

    It’s sickening to watch psu “fans” try and defend paterno.

    There is a special place in hell for people like good ole joepa.

    I

  44. PhillyJake says:

    brb…

    puking.

  45. NMR says:

    @CWalton

    Don’t confuse my reaction to the column with my reaction to Paterno.

    From the day the scandal broke I was in favor of his firing, along with the more obvious decisions to fire the rest of the administration that failed so miserably.

  46. Leefoo says:

    Now that the report is out and I have read the findings, it looks like leadership, including the Board of Trustees are guilty of negligence.

    WOW!!

    This is indeed a sad day for THIS PSU grad.

    Going to be interesting to see the fallout from this.

    .

  47. NMR says:

    Page 227?

    That has to be some kind of reading record…

  48. TJA says:

    Regarding post #41 – Joseph…you hit it. As Gomer Pyle was known to say: “Shame…Shame….Shame”.

  49. Joseph says:

    @DK: Exhibit 5G

  50. JohninOshkosh says:

    Judge Freeh to have a press conference at top of the hour.

    This is a guy who stared down mafia murderers under cross examination. He is the real deal. Should be a very informative and blockbusting presser.

  51. Joseph says:

    Exhibit 5G: “The only downside for us is if the message isn’t ‘heard’ and acted upon, and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it. But that can be assessed down the road.”

  52. BMac says:

    The Schultz email on 227 sure provides a lot more context to the quotes we had heard over the last few weeks about the process.

    Sounds like at first they basically wanted to simply tell Sandusky they knew what was going on, not allow him to go bring “guests” onto campus and then leadership went back and forth on informing his other organizations (Second Mile I assume). Sad that it sure seems like the police were not considered.

    Does calling those victims “guests” make anyone else sick?

  53. Joseph says:

    Exhibit 5G is an email from Gary Schultz to Graham Spanier and Tim Curley.

  54. NMR says:

    @Foo

    Glad you finally came around.

    It’s hard to believe that someone who was so revered and did so much good could do so much wrong. I understand that. But it’s good to see you can take the facts for what they are.

  55. Andy says:

    From crude search, Tom Bradley not mentioned once in the Freeh Report.

  56. Jandy says:

    Oh, this is horrible, just horrible. It’s making me sick to my soul. I need to stop reading a while…

  57. KJM says:

    If Paterno knew in ’98, his response to McQuery in ’01 is no longer credible or believable. Not to mention the circumstantial firing of Sandusky. Joe knew. Everything.

  58. Tim says:

    Time to take JoPa’s statue down!1 No doubt JoPa knew about Sandusky’s crimes and was callus towards the victims

  59. Jandy says:

    Again, NMR and Foo have nailed it. All the powers-that-be at Penn State failed miserably. But I still don’t think the football players should suffer for it. It’s not quite fair. Those young men had nothing to do with it, and this is their careers that would be on the line.
    OK to that break…

  60. Joseph says:

    In light of everything else reported, are the investigators implying that “Sandusky’s Retirement Agreement” (page 59) that PSU was paying to quietly rid themselves of a problem? And, if so, how perverse is it that the predator was paid off while the victims were ignored?

  61. Leefoo says:

    Jandy …..I agree….do not let the Football Players or Bill O’Brien suffer.

    However, I suspect that the Paterno statue will be coming down? Will they rename the library? Will his visage come off of that mural?

    Sad day for me as a Paterno fan. Hopefully, a wonderful day for abuse victims going forth.

    I’m outta here. Us retired folks always have these foo-l schedules. Besides, like Jandy, I don’t wanna read anymore about this tragedy. This is worse than Sid sliding across homeplate. That was just a game. THis is real life.
    .

  62. JRA says:

    Isn’t all the stuff indicating that Joe clearly knew all about the allegations in ’98 important news that I don’t think was previously confirmed? This colors his later statements that he couldn’t imagine anything like child sexual abuse (since he was such an old school guy) and also certainly makes it incumbent upon him to push for full disclosure when similar allegations came up again in 2001? The Paternos have tried their hardest to portray this as though McQueary’s visit to his house was the first time he ever heard about anything involving Sandusky, but I read the report as refuting that claim.

  63. JohninOshkosh says:

    It was the football program that was being protected. The actions and inaction of the PSU Administration sadly confirm that the institution’s overriding value was the football program. Because they elevated the program to such sickening levels, it is only by addressing the program that a meaningful sanction can be administered. Thus, any action by the NCAA that does not severely sanction the program is a meaningless sanction. Sorry that the current players will be affected, but the institution brought that upon themselves.

    If the NCAA doesn’t act quickly, decisively and severely, then it has absolutely no credibility has a regulatory institution.

  64. Joseph says:

    Hard to think about a SPORTS angle on this story; but if the NCAA *wanted* to do something to punish the University (e.g. bowl ban, scholarship reduction) I wonder if the following would give them license to do so:

    “A football program that did not fully participate in, or opted out, of some University programs, including Clery Act compliance. Like the rest of the University, the football program staff had not been trained in their Clery Act responsibilities and most had never heard of the Clery Act” (17).

  65. Curt says:

    The old saying goes something like this….
    “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

    My thoughts on Joe Paterno are as follows:
    His legacy will forever be that he sacrificed innocent young children in order to protect his “legacy”.

    Sad day. You thought you knew someone’s character, we were wrong……

  66. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Glad to be a Buckeye. Scarlet, gray and lilly-white. (St. Tressel fan, too). How is it in Badger country, John?

  67. Lee says:

    Not defending Paterno AT ALL, but the fact that this could’ve all been stopped in 1998 is sickening. The police were notified, the abuse investigated, but the DA didn’t prosecute. All detailed in Chapter 2.

  68. JohninOshkosh says:

    Lucky;

    Very, very sad day. Went through this as a Catholic. Institutional power used to ignore the destruction of innocents.

    I feel the pain of PSU alums. It is hard to deal with the shortcomings of beloved institutions.

  69. TJA says:

    the more I read…the more ill i become…this is just awful….

  70. Joseph says:

    @Lee — I have defended JoePa throughout . . . but it’s getting tougher to believe he could not have done more if he had wanted to do so. I agree with you — NOBODY was going to stop the predator until he was jailed — but JoePa could have used his standing to shine a light on the situation.

  71. Naterosboro says:

    Here’s a question I have…

    Is this all seeming bigger due to the fact of what we perceived Penn State was (and what was that)?

    IMO, people saw Penn State as the ideal way to run an institution of higher learning while also balancing athletics (having good, competitive programs). Kids didn’t go there just as a means to get into the NFL, they went there to get an education. Whatever athletic accolades came along, gravy. In a world of college athletics where it seems like money runs it, Penn State stood above as the graduator of athletes. They even recruited kids the right way. No payments, nothing. They were the golden boys of the NCAA, showing all others how to do it.

    But, while I believe in people, I find myself less and less believing in humanity (if anyone can understand that statement).

    We’ve seen throughout history, that a) people tend to look out for themselves, b) people protect friends, & c) people will protect the institution. Obviously, we’ve seen exceptions to the rule, but with the amount of scandal and corruption that’s been uncovered lately, it really shouldn’t have come as that much surprise as all of this information has come out.

    Did we just want to believe that Joe Paterno was a senile old man? That all of the higher-ups at Penn State were moral people who couldn’t possibly let the sexual abuse of children go on?

    What this proves is that all of the people that were held in high regard were actually only that, people. When it came down to it, they weighed the options, and chose the course of action. It was the absolute wrong and worst course of action, but have we not seen time and time again people make horrible decisions? Especially in regards to protecting an institution? Did we only think these stories happen in Hollywood?

    What I’m trying to understand is the indignation I’m sensing (not necessarily here, but overall) as more and more information has poured out.

    How soon we forget that recently there was an institution of much greater history, power, & significance (in some people’s eyes) that had exactly the same type of scandal (except on a much larger scale involving many more people), yet people defend and still support that organization EVERY WEEK. You know what I’m talking about.

    How soon we forget…

    just like we will this mess with Penn State.

    Or is it that we just need something else to take our attention away (and with the how insane the world is, and with how quickly information is disseminated nowadays, that’s usually about 25 minutes…)?

    I guess, only time will tell………………

  72. wally says:

    Death Penalty. Period.

    Too bad for the players (who can transfer) and O’Brien (who can find work elsewhere, I am sure).

    Put the statue of Joe Valdamort back in the smelter. Put the living acoloytes in jail for a long time.

    Bunch of sorry ass, koolaid drinking scum, the lot of them.

  73. LuckyNKentucky says:

    John,

    Very well said. It hurts us all. I’ve rooted against PSU all my life, but this is beyond anything any college football rivalry could ever contain. I’ve always respected and even liked Joe and respected the program. Hard to deal with the bad rep OSU has had for years, but it pales in this light.

  74. Slick says:

    If the NCAA does hand down the death penalty, they should allow each of the Scholarship players to transfer to another school this year even if said school is at their scholarship limit. PSU should also be on the hook for the salaries for the coaches and support staff until they find equivalent employment elsewhere.

  75. NMR says:

    @John

    The comparison to the Catholic church is eerily similar. Well said.

    @Nate

    Excellent post. All around.

  76. Maddamma says:

    From Page 5:

    “We never had the opportunity to talk with Mr. Paterno, but he did say what he
    told McQueary on February 10, 2011 when McQueary reported what he saw Sandusky doing in the shower the night before: “You did what you had to do. It is my job now to
    figure out what we want to do.” Why would anyone have to figure out what had to be
    done in these circumstances?”

    Pretty much says it all. The one thing I have never been able to get past in this whole tragedy is the complete failure of adults in authortiy to do the right thing. SHAMEFUL and CRIMINAL.

  77. TJA says:

    get 3 new jail cells cleaned out very soon…

  78. NMR says:

    I don’t understand the people that immediately rush to punish a program that has been rid of the Administration that soiled it. As if thats going to solve anything. This issue is so much deeper than that.

    Football is the last thing on my mind right now.

  79. Dave Glass says:

    Death Penalty will NEVER happen. NCAA won’t risk it, too much money involved, too much uproar over what the last death penalty did to SMU. This investigation has shown how far Paterno (AND OTHERS) went to protect PSU football – I fully expect the NCAA to protect their brand here as well, and the ‘nuclear option’ would involve a lot of collateral damage throughout the NCAA.

    I’m sure there will be some wrist-slapping – probation, some lost scholarships perhaps…but the death penalty? Not gonna happen in my opinion.

    (Note I’m not saying I agree with that, just making a prediction based on what I’ve seen)

  80. Sammich says:

    Watching from overseas, CNN World has not said one word about the report since it was released 90 minutes ago. It is a non-issue outside the US. They have, however, reported on the case of a poor soccer player who was subjected to a racial slur by an opponent during a match.

  81. @suckmeter says:

    I give Penn State credit for funding this report even though it was likely to suck for the University. That’s the ONLY thing I give them credit for.

    DK: How much of a choice did they have?

  82. TeamIan says:

    Has anyone seen this video from newly elected PSU board of trustee member Anthony Lubrano?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU

    It was shameful when it was made in March and revolting in the light of this report…

  83. Mike Adams says:

    This whole thing with Joe bears a slight resemblance to the death of CIA Director William Casey in 1987. A guy is under fire for lying and dies before he’s found guilty.

  84. Sammich says:

    Ok, now CNN World comes through with a live report drom State College.

  85. Rocco says:

    Just a sad, sad day all around. I too have been rooting against PSU all of my life, as I am a die hard Pitt fan, but this just goes so far above and beyond the scope of a football program….just wow.

    As far as the death penalty goes, I think this case is the perfect example of why it’s needed. I would feel very bad for Coach O’Brien and the rest of the players, but this was such a massive failure on such a massive scale that there has to be some kind of punishment for the university and the program. My biggest concern is that a fine or something like that would just be bought and paid for by donors and there will be no real repercussions for the university/program. Whether or not the people there now had anything to do with it is irrelevant – this happened at their university, and unfortunately, they’re the ones that have to pay.

    Just my ramblings here – I can certainly see the other side but I just think there’s no excuse for what happened, and that the school needs to pay in some way other than money.

  86. Naterosboro says:

    Another question…

    For the people calling for the “death penalty” for the football program:

    Why?

    Kids trying to play a sport should be punished for the actions of adults in a criminal matter? These weren’t recruiting violations. This wasn’t cheating. This wasn’t anything done to gain an advantage on the playing field.

    These were actions (or inactions) that didn’t stop sexual assault. A criminal matter.

    This has nothing to do with FOOTBALL and the ATHLETES at Penn State.

    So why should THEY be punished? Because that’s what the death penalty will do. Penn State will go on. It’s those athletes that will have their lives turned around, and they’ve done nothing to deserve that (in regards to the Sandusky case).

    DK: That’s not how it works, Nate. See above.

  87. @suckmeter says:

    No choice. The guy they picked doesn’t suck. Freeh is great. Holding back nothing. Really coming off strong. Hard for anybody to doubt his findings.

  88. Tim says:

    PST, tear down that statue; Freeh: What’s shocking is that the four of them, the most powerful at PSU, made the decision to conceal. Janitor knew he would lose his job if he went to police when he saw Sandusky raping victim in shower.

  89. NMR says:

    I’m with you suckmeter.

    The University could’ve mailed in a dog and pony show investigation (as many predicted they would) and crossed their fingers that the state and feds didn’t find anything.

    Instead, they showed true contrition by hiring the best money could buy.

    Highly unfair of Dejan to classify this as anything but a huge sign that the remaining University hierarchy is committed to change.

  90. Rocco says:

    @Nate –

    For the kids, you are absolutely right, it would be horrible and unfair. But I also feel it would horrible and unfair to not punish the University. Sure, they’ll get taken to the shed in civil payments, but I personally feel that isn’t punishment enough for what they let transpire. It’s becoming more and more obvious that A LOT of people knew about this and chose to do nothing – an empty Beaver Stadium I think would send a bigger message than the school paying out some cash.

    But I can certainly see your point Nate – today’s players would be the ones who would be affected the most, and for them it would be miserable and unfair

  91. @suckmeter says:

    Sucks if you don’t think this affects the football program and think the program shouldn’t be punished. This ENTIRE coverup was done to protect the football program and to protect Joe Paterno and his legacy. This is a loss of institutional control at the highest level. This is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of college football. There needs to be consequences and they need to be severe.

  92. NMR says:

    @Tim

    How can you possibly let the janitor off the hook for protecting his own job.

    I thought thats exactly why people are condemning Paterno?

    It makes me absolutely sick that you would rather protect some janitors minimum wage job over the protection of a child.

    Disgusting.

  93. TJA says:

    will this get to the governor’s office? how much does corbett know?

  94. Nap says:

    As PSU Alum I was hoping to see something where these men just made an honest mistake somehow but I don’t see it.

    Paterno seemed to be right about one thing when he said, he “didn’t really know exactly how to handle it”. Obviously none of them did. This thing was completely mishandled. Very sad.

  95. Jordan says:

    @Rocco

    Did you read the report or listen to the press conference. It was REPEATEDLY mentioned that they did not believe that anyone outside of the men mentioned in the report had any knowledge. How do you get that A LOT of people knew about it?

    Why punish an entire University and almuni of completely innocent people. Punish the men involved

  96. Naterosboro says:

    DK,

    You responded to me with this: “That’s not how it works, Nate. See above.”

    And you wrote this in the blog above: “Punishments still apply to the institution or company.”

    Why does the punishment have to be the “death penalty”, which ultimately makes the harshest punishment on young men who had nothing to do with anything?

    I understand that Penn State will have to suffer some sort of consequence from the NCAA. I just don’t think that the “death penalty” would send the right message.

  97. wally says:

    Wonder what Franco thinks now …..????

  98. JRay3 says:

    @ Nate – There were so many failures on an institutional and human level to protect the football image, the University image and to protect those most in power. Those in power consciously made those decisions which in turn did not protect the very ones they should have….the innocent.

    As a father this news is more than disturbing and troubling, as a business leader myself their actions are inexcusable.

    I hear your point as to future punishment affects others not associated, however, what message does it send if harsh punishment is not handed down. College football should never be allowed to be that important or to yield that kind of influence EVER.

    Fair or not a true message needs to be delivered to deter this from ever happening in our lifetimes again.

  99. Steve says:

    Anything to protect the image of one individual in particular and his so-called “Grand Experiment.” To spend all those years touting Penn State as someplace different while this deep dark secret existed is just stunning and in fact, appears to be a criminal act.

  100. Stew says:

    totally agree with JRay3

  101. BobDH says:

    Naterosboro: The reason Penn State needs the death penalty is to clean the slate. Being a PSU alum, it really stinks to say this, but the only to truly leave this behind is for the PSU football program to cease function, take the time to truly reflect on what has happened, install the necessary institutional controls to prevent future recurrences, then go through a process of rebirth.

    Taking time to reflect is as important, or even more important, for the student body and alumni than for the football program. Think about the student and alumni behavior in the aftermath of Grand Jury investigation/Paterno firing. Maybe enough time has passed for the people associated with Penn State begin to comprehend what has happened, but I doubt it. I think that once the football season starts, people will use the games as an excuse to not think about what happened and grieve for the abuse victims, their families, and the Penn State that no longer exists.

    I would be sorry for the current football players and staff that would be hurt by the death penalty, but I feel that the Board of Trustees should implement the death penalty rather than waiting for the NCAA.

    As a Penn Stater, I take pride in “doing the right thing” even when it is inconvenient. It is time for Penn State the institution to get back to “doing the right thing”. The Freeh investigation was a step in that direction, but only one step in a long journey. I hope that the Trustees will continue that journey. If shutting down the football program for awhile is a step in that direction, and I believe it is, then they should not wait for the NCAA to “do the right thing” for them.

  102. Tim says:

    @ NMR

    I am stating the obvious, the President of PST & BOT created an environment that was misguided at the top as well throughout the PST system. This janitor was poorly trained on work rules.Yes, the janitor should have reported this to police and would have been able to sue PST if he lost his job. You also need to understand how the PST community works @ Happy Valley. Anyone who speaks against or harms Happy Valley needs to uproot their family

  103. Slick says:

    DK:

    “This sounds good, but the general concept that somehow the current football program gets to wash its hands and move on, that’s not how it works. When Enron committed massive financial fraud, the company wasn’t about to just walk because it changed figureheads. Punishments still apply to the institution or company.

    In other words, it sounds good when you say it. Doesn’t mean a thing.”

    Let me be clear, I think that the Death Penalty should be served to PSU here. The difference between PSU and Enron, besides the obvious difference in crimes, is that the kids signed binding letters of intent and cannot just walk and get a “job” somewhere else. Those that worked at Enron, the ones that were not responsible for the crime could leave and get a job anywhere else as quickly as they could. The kids on scholarship are required to sit out a year if they choose to do that.

    Do you think O’Brien has some contingency written into his contract?

  104. NMR says:

    @Tim

    Please, spare me the “you have to understand” talk.

    State College has a long and contentious history of town and gown relations. There are ongoing yearly meetings between University relations and town council on how both entities can further coexist. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about if you think anyone that speaks out against the University has to leave.

    Its laughable to think that any human being needs training to do the right thing after seeing what the janitor saw.

    You’re showing your true agenda.

  105. JohninOshkosh says:

    Sure is more enjoyable when this blog is filled with sports talk.

    But really appreciated all the views. More informative for me to see what y’all think than what the talking heads on CNN think.

  106. NMR says:

    @JRay

    You can’t actually believe that any punishment the NCAA could possibly hand down would be a real deterent to a crime like this, can you?

    The NCAA is nothing in terms of priority.

    The acts committed are CRIMINAL. They will be handled in the court of law. Outside the realm of meaningless football games.

    What do Spanier, Curley, and Schultz care if the program gets the death penalty?

    Apparently I have a different perception of what is happening than some, but it seems completely off the mark to think NCAA sanctions carry a shred of weight compared to felony time in a state prison.

  107. JRA says:

    Seems reasonable to me that this calls into question whether the entire Grand Experiment ever existed in the first place or was just another charade. Would be a good investigative journalism project to delve into the reality of what kinds of classes football players were taking and whether the administration allowed Joe to handle the academics of his players the same way it appears to have allowed him to rule all other elements of his program. UNC currently is in the midst of a fairly serious academic fraud scandal among its athletes in a plce that, like PSU, always has tried to claim to take the high ground academically. Given Joe’s actions here, I hardly think he deserves the benefit of the doubt on any front, so dig away, all you aspiring young Woodwards and Bernsteins!

  108. Rocco says:

    @ Jordan

    You don’t think four grown men knowing about this is A LOT? Not to mention, it has been mentioned before (not in the report, just talk radio, etc..) that some people had their suspicions for years – granted, suspicions can’t be cause for arrest or anything like that, but even still, 4 people knowing and not doing anything is 4 too many.

    And why should the university be punished? THESE PEOPLE REPRESENTED THE UNIVERSITY!!! They let bad things happen to CHILDREN to PROTECT the university from bad publicity. Is it fair to the student athletes of today? Nope. Was it fair to the children who were assaulted by this pervert that the university actively tried to cover up the allegations? Nope.

    Not much fair in this situation at all, but it is what it is unfortunately….

  109. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR—this has been a fairly non-contentious discussion about a very contentious matter. So why don’t you quit with the “agenda” allegation.

    If you listened to Freeh’s news conference, he found the janitors’ unwillingness to report it as very significant. And the significance, to him, was it showed there had been created a culture of fear to challenge the football program, and he likened it as a culture where it would be like taking on the President of the US. Now, that’s Freeh talking. What’s HIS agenda?

  110. Naterosboro says:

    @JRay3

    Fair argument. Truth be told, I’m still searching in my head for a punishment that would be harsh enough to send a message, yet not be the death penalty.

    But yet I still think, there has to be.

    This wasn’t done to protect a football program.

    It had (and still has) nothing to do with football. It just so happens that some of the men involved worked for the football program.

    Here’s an example of a scenario (hypothetical) that just popped into my head:

    In the news lately I’ve been seeing a lot of stories about Female teachers (usually HS) having relations with a male (underage) student.

    Here’s the scenario: A school has a nationally recognized field hockey program. It wins. And wins a lot. And that program graduates its athletes, some going on to earn scholarships and play Division 1 field hockey. Let’s say that the program has had a coach in place for 20 years. And that coach has a close assistant coach. Both are teachers at the school. The assistant coach is found to be having a relationship of a sexual nature with a male student (underage) at the school. And it was found that the coach of 20 years knew about it, yet didn’t report it.

    Would you feel it the appropriate punishment that the field hockey team (in this scenario) not be allowed to play their upcoming season (and possibly seasons to come)?

    But then again, life’s not fair. This is a horrible scandal, and perhaps people will get punished that didn’t necessarily do anything wrong or have anything to do with anything.

    It’s a tough call that the NCAA will have to make.

    Although, are we now saying that we trust the NCAA (an institution that has its own moral questions to answer) to handle this properly?

    I think the water just got a little bit more cloudy.

  111. Jordan says:

    @Rocco

    It is a lot. And they will be punished by the fullest extent of the law. As they should be. Although in reading your first post again, I’m pretty sure this is not what you were referencing when you said “a lot more people know”

    It doesn’t matter that they represent the University. Should the entire country have been punished because Nixon/Watergate? Its a pretty fair analogy here. If one of your coworkers rapes a child and your boss helps cover it up, should the company shut down?

    You hold the people responsible, responsible. You don’t punish over half a million living alumni and 50 thousand current students because of the terrible actions of 1 man and the shameless coverup of 4 men in charge. That just does not make sense

  112. NMR says:

    @Arriba

    I appologize for letting my emotions get the best of me. To you too, Tim.

    But I don’t care what Freeh said. The only “fear” would be associated with losing your job. Even if that were the case, it’s a small price to pay in order to do the right thing.

  113. RELENTLESS_FORECHECK says:

    We now have concrete proof that Paterno, Spanier, Shultz, and Curley conspired to put the image of Penn State University and the football program above the welfare of countless children who fell victim, or would fall victim to, a sexual predator. I do hope there are more criminal charges forthcoming…

    If you’re not sick to your stomach at this point, I am not sure what else to say.

  114. pants-n-at says:

    Rocco: I was thinking exactly what you wrote….right down to being a die hard Pitt fan. I think a death penalty will come out of this. JMO Sad day.

  115. DemonDachshund says:

    For those concerned about the welfare of the Penn State players, the NCAA will waive the year of ineligibility if your school discontinues it’s program. (Or at least it did in the 2008-9 season) I have to assume that applies here.

    Source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/12763105/NCAA-Transfer-Guide

  116. Arriba Wilver says:

    #110. NMR–I think you are missing the point, again going back to Freeh talking about the Culture that was created, and the kind of culture that should be created. I don’t know what I think about the “death penalty” at this point, but the felony crimes have been there for a long time, and it still happened. The NCAA has to look at, and Freeh talked about looking at, institutional controls so this kind of culture doesn’t happen.

  117. Curt says:

    One thing I find odd is Joe Paterno lied and said the 2001 incident was when he first found out, but the report clearly states he knew about the first incident in 1998. Even after those incidents. Paterno and Co. decide to keep Sandusky around, give him the master keys, tell him to keep coming to summer youth football camps, etc.,etc.
    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?

    What were these men thinking.

  118. BobDH says:

    I am reposting this comment as the first one took over 20 minutes to moderate and am not sure anyone saw it.

    Naterosboro: The reason Penn State needs the death penalty is to clean the slate. Being a PSU alum, it really stinks to say this, but the only to truly leave this behind is for the PSU football program to cease function, take the time to truly reflect on what has happened, install the necessary institutional controls to prevent future recurrences, then go through a process of rebirth.

    Taking time to reflect is as important, or even more important, for the student body and alumni than for the football program. Think about the student and alumni behavior in the aftermath of Grand Jury investigation/Paterno firing. Maybe enough time has passed for the people associated with Penn State begin to comprehend what has happened, but I doubt it. I think that once the football season starts, people will use the games as an excuse to not think about what happened and grieve for the abuse victims, their families, and the Penn State that no longer exists.

    I would be sorry for the current football players and staff that would be hurt by the death penalty, but I feel that the Board of Trustees should implement the death penalty rather than waiting for the NCAA.

    As a Penn Stater, I take pride in “doing the right thing” even when it is inconvenient. It is time for Penn State the institution to get back to “doing the right thing”. The Freeh investigation was a step in that direction, but only one step in a long journey. I hope that the Trustees will continue that journey. If shutting down the football program for awhile is a step in that direction, and I believe it is, then they should not wait for the NCAA to “do the right thing” for them.

  119. JohninOshkosh says:

    PSU Trustees ought to offer Judge Freeh the PSU President’s job.

    Total balls to the wall.

  120. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR–like I said, it’s a contentious day. No worries.

  121. Brendan says:

    On a slightly different note, one big question that I still have about this whole thing:

    Why didn’t PSU force Sandusky into retirement back in 1998?

    Or, perhaps more to the point, why didn’t PSU *ever* force him into retirement?

    One of the main themes of the Freeh report is that PSU was primarily concerned about their reputation. Why, then, would they allow a man who was flagrantly jeopardizing that reputation continue to keep his job, and then be allowed full use of facilities?

    Wouldn’t it have served their interests to have distanced themselves from Sandusky at least to some extent?

  122. Curt says:

    @Brendan
    I wrote the same exact thing on my post #121.

    Baffling…..

  123. NMR says:

    @Arriba

    I’m sorry, I just don’t buy that argument. The decisions that were made were personal ones done in the same mind set that allows corporations, governments, and churches to hide their dirty secrets.

    It had nothing to do with the specific culture at Penn State.

    These men showed they were clearly unable to make the correct decision when placed in that position of power. I don’t believe for a second they would’ve made a different one if they were anywhere else.

  124. Brendan says:

    @ Curt

    Yeah, I saw what you wrote shortly after my post.

    This is what makes me think that there’s still a lot more going on here that has yet to be revealed. With how much power Paterno apparently wielded, and how greatly he cared about PSU and its football program, how could he tolerate one of his employees actively jeopardizing it like Sandusky did?

  125. JRay3 says:

    @ NMR – Post 110….yes I do feel a harsh punishment can aid as a possible deterrent. Baseball has rid itself of the rampant drug problem that existed by putting harsh punishments in place. Has that ensured no one will ever use performance enhancers again? No there are never any guarantees but the threat of 50 game, 100 game and lifetime suspensions certainly has cleaned up many now has it not?

    SMU received the death penalty in the 80′s at a time when booster involvement was running rampant. Do you not think programs took notice of that and looked at their individual situations more closely? Once again there is no guarantee a student athlete will never again receive cash payments, gifts etc…but it certainly put institutions on notice of what the consequences could be if they allowed this type of activity to happen on their watch.

    I do agree with you that the crimes are criminal and those involved will be forced to pay a price. But those involved were also an extension and actor of policy of an athletics program that once again failed in its due diligence of priorities and responsibilities. For that a punishment has to be wagered that will send a message to current and future leaders, Presidents, AD’s, Coaches to at minimum show the potential long term consequences.

    Once again just my thoughts and opinion based on my interpretation of the facts. Not an argument as obviously many will have different perceptions.

  126. JRay3 says:

    @ Nate – I very much agree with your statement “It’s a tough call the NCAA will have to make”.

    It is tough to play the game of hypothetical. And there certainly is not a black and white blueprint for this exact situation which does indeed make it difficult to find what a harsh and fair punishment should be. There is some thought that there should be none, I am not one in that sampling but as we can see opinions will vary widely.

    I appreciate your thoughts and just having a conversation on this very controversial topic.

  127. NMR says:

    Certainly not arguing with you JRay, and I appreciate the response.

    But the steroid analogy isn’t the same. The deterant is that the player who use are the players that are punished.

    None of these men will feel an inch of pain if PSU is sanctioned.

    And although I do like the booster analogy, I just cannot force myself to put that on close to the same level. I believe SMU was made an example because the NCAA knew that payments were rampant across college football.

    The specific nature of what happened at PSU was so terrible that I feel its clearly understood on an institutional level that it was wrong.

    It goes back to my personal feeling in this whole sickening mess that whatever happens to the football team is nothing in comparison to the rest of the punishment to the University.

  128. Arriba Wilver says:

    132. NMR– I think you’re sticking your head in the sand and are actually influencing me to lean towards the death penalty, if that is the take on this for Penn Staters.

  129. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sorry, 127, not 132.

  130. NMR says:

    I really felt this report would be cathartic and actually make me feel better that the people responsible were held accountable.

    I can honestly say I don’t feel any of that.

    Just a pure, sickening feeling that it even happened in the first place. Shame doesn’t begin to address what these men should be feeling.

  131. Milo Hamilton says:

    Will the NCAA sanction the Penn State football program in some way ? Maybe. But I feel safe in saying that the death penalty won’t be used in this case, or any other case quite frankly. The powers that be in the NCAA hierarchy were so spooked by the far reaching ramifications of the penalty levied against SMU in the 80′s, I’ve heard many say they can never see using it again.

    The only way the Penn State football program gets shut down, in my opinion, would be for the University to do it themselves. That would send quite a strong message. And in this case, quite possibly, the right one.

  132. pants-n-at says:

    @ Brendan. Forcing retirement is still a cover up. He didn’t deserve that for what he did. To me, that still lets him off the hook.

  133. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’s like saying, hey, it was a few bad apples, and ignoring the fact that they were 4 of the most powerful men at the University.

  134. JohninOshkosh says:

    @Milo:

    Completely agree.

  135. pants-n-at says:

    @ Arriba: #137. Good point

  136. NMR says:

    @Arriba

    Just the opposite. I’m not naive enough to think this is only a Penn State problem. That once you beat the monster he goes away.

    I think by saying this is a Penn State problem, people are rationalizing the issue of silence in child abuse cases as a whole. Nobody is talking about what can be done about that. They’re only talking about how to punish PSU.

    For what its worth, I could care less what happens to the football team. I didn’t watch any of the games after the scandal last year and have already turned down tickets to games this year.

    My opinion is mine on the subject as a society, not as a football fan.

  137. Arriba Wilver says:

    Who said its only a Penn State problem? From what I’ve seen, most of the arguments are for deterrence of other institutions to lose institutional control.

  138. NMR says:

    @Arriba

    If the report found out that this knowledge spread outside of those four bad apples, then I would agree with you.

  139. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR—We’re on completely different wavelengths. I know you said you don’t care what Freeh thinks, but one of of the things he was asked to do was evaluate their controls and recommend changes, which he did. I recommend highly that you read those. And he knows more about criminal behavior than either of us ever will, so if he says the lack of controls allowed this to happen ( I’m paraphrasing) at least as long as it did, it should carry some weight.

  140. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lack of institutional controls and the culture, especially in the football program.

  141. pants-n-at says:

    IMO Second Mile also dropped the ball. If there was no problems, why tell Snadusky he cannot bring children on campus anymore and have Second Mile relay that to him. If there is no problem, why the restriction? Appearances, that’s why.

  142. Curt says:

    Let me add one more thing I was thinking about earlier.

    Could it be possible that Sandusky had something on Joe Pa? Perhaps he held it over him and handcuffed. Do you think he blackmailed Joe Pa?

  143. Jandy says:

    DK, the question I posed about Kunhackl in the chat was a valid one, and I didn’t appreciate you blowing me off with a “conspiracy theory” comment. Kunhackl had served a 20 game suspension for a very questionable hit, on in which he injured himself. Wondering if he was sick or if more was going on with him skipping camp is certainly not off the wall.

    DK: Apologies. Really couldn’t tell if you were being serious. No, he’s sick, according to Tom Fitzgerald.

  144. pants-n-at says:

    @ Curt. I wondered that. Or it could be he warned them if they said anything about later instances, he would bring the whole university down with him for knowing. I’m specfualting and I probaly shouldn’t do that. But why give him such a sweet retiremtn deal and benefits and sell property to his organization? Like I said…just speculating

  145. Brendan says:

    @pants-n-at . Forcing retirement is still a cover up. He didn’t deserve that for what he did. To me, that still lets him off the hook.

    Oh I am by no means saying that a forced retirement would have been anywhere close to the ‘right’ thing to do. Anything short of contacting the authorities was wrong, in my opinion.

    I’m just trying to think of it from PSU’s perspective. Their priorities were already way off (their reputation vs the victims and ongoing predatory behavior on the part of Sandusky), but even assuming that their primary goal was to perpetuate their good reputation, I’m saying their actions still don’t make sense.

    If PSU wanted to protect their reputation, which the Freeh investigation has pretty clearly shown, wouldn’t logic dictate that they would have tried to distance themselves from Sandusky? This part of it still doesn’t add up for me.

    The only answer to this that I can think of is what others have stated: that Sandusky ‘had something’ on Paterno/PSU. Maybe the football program cheated at some point, and they had to keep Sandusky happy? Pure speculation, I know, but it’s the only thing that makes sense.

  146. pants-n-at says:

    @Brendan I hear ya. Also sorry for the typos above. I’m an excellent speller….just have fat fingers. I will slow down and proof read before I hit submit in the future.

  147. buggee says:

    unbelievable. clearly JVP was exercising everything at his disposal and within his considerable sphere of influence to hush this crap up for the benefit of preserving his baby; the football program.

    And Jay Paterno…? Seriously?

  148. Curt says:

    Glad we are all thinking alike. There is something missing. No way you go the extra mile, give Sandusky all this access and power for nothing.
    I know we are just speculating, but it seems like something gave him leverage over JoePA/PSU.

  149. Doz says:

    Death Penalty???? Did anybody ask the Catholic church to shut down when the Boston priests scandal broke? You punish, are harshly as possible, the people involved but thats were it should end…………..

 
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