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Vacation Call: Friday discussion thread

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

I’m not working. But if I were, I’d wonder about the timing of the Penguins’ firing a couple of key employees so soon after Sidney Crosby’s big contract extension.

I’ll stress again here, as I do in the entry: I’m not blaming Crosby for anything. I see him as very much within his rights based on who he is, what he’s done, and all that he went through in the concussion trials last year to get proper diagnosis and treatment. And if he had any influence in this, he might well be worth applauding.

Comments

  1. rose haffey says:

    Are you kidding me? Crosby doesn’t get enough grief, but you have to claim he had something to do with the firing of Burke? That’s what your original comment translate into whether or not you meant to blame him. Great. He may be powerful enough to demand certain things but I can’t imagine him saying “fire this guy.” Have a nice vacation.

    DK: Hi, Rose. Not sure if you’re new to following the Penguins, but it wasn’t exactly a trade secret that Crosby was displeased with his concussion treatment from the Penguins, at least in the context of the personnel under their employ. That’s why he spent the better part of a year flying all across North America visiting other doctors and specialists. That’s also why, when Crosby had that big news conference at Consol to discuss his ailment when it was still going on, Dr. Burke wasn’t at the table while two other gentlemen were.

    I’ll say it a third time: I don’t think there’s any “grief” to be given here. Crosby was hardly the only one who thought the Penguins could have handled the concussion matter better, especially in its earliest stages. Very clearly, the Penguins agreed and fired someone they’d employed for 24 years.

  2. Boise Bucco says:

    If the NHL got the play on ESPN that the NFL got, how do you think Skip Bayless would spin Chip Burke being the reason why Mario missed as much playing time as he did?

    It’s really not a bad argument even if you’re only a regular amount of paranoid.

  3. Mike C. says:

    all this talk of Marte why nothing about trying out Jeff Clement, who has better numbers so far this year?
    sure Marte has the bigger upside, but for just This Year,
    WHY????

  4. Juan Pizarro says:

    Speaking of looking for available corner outfielders – would you take a flyer on the recently-dumped Rick Ankiel (if he makes it thru waivers)? I actually think a better choice might be Daniel Nava, who’s an OBP-machine – I wouldn’t think he would cost a high prospect, but who knows?

    Juan

  5. Albert Brettermeier says:

    While Burke was the Pen’s team physician, I find it hard to believe that he was really the one leading Sid’s treatment and really responsible for “clearing” him. He’s an orthopedist. Collins probably had more decision making input, and he’s a UPMC staff member. If there’s a reasonable cause for frustration, it’s the amount of time it took to fully assess Sid’s neck injury, and that kind of referral may have been Burke’s responsibility as the team physician.

  6. dcpfjr says:

    I read the article on the firing and the move to UPMC, and not knowing the facts you stated in the 1st post, I never would have drawn the conclusion that you did. I know you’re not working, so I can understand you not taking the time to call someone in Crosby’s camp to see what the facts are before you came out with this supposition, and you clearly state that it is something to “wonder” about. However, this smacks of stirring a pot that isn’t even on the burner.

  7. lasedog8 says:

    @ Boise Bucco

    I see Skip Bayless as nothing more than a contrarian- he would probably argue that Burke helped Crosby recover and was fired for no apparent reason. He is one of the many reasons I refuse to watch the trash on that channel.

  8. The Gunner says:

    @ Mike C. – #3

    By the sounds of the article in this morning’s PG, it sounds like the Pirates aren’t ready to bring up Marte yet. Also, I would speculate Clement might be trade bait to an AL team as he might fit in as a DH.

    This article can’t be right, can it????????????????????????

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/pirates/marte-progressing-but-not-ready-yet-645480/

  9. JAL says:

    JAL’s King of the Road Morning Links

    GENERAL DAILY UPDATED BASEBALL SITES

    1- MLB Transactions

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pittsburgh_pirates/

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)

    http://gobuccos.com/pittsburgh-pirate-news/

    4 Pirates Prospects Draft Pick Signing Tracker

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012draft

    PIRATE BLOGS

    5—Pirates Prospects

    Prospect Watch: Marte On a Cold Streak; Good Starts From Taillon, Holmes

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/prospect-watch-marte-on-a-cold-streak-good-starts-from-taillon-holmes.html

    Clay Holmes Impressive in Spikes Win

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/clay-holmes-impressive-in-spikes-win.html

    Pirates Sign Venezuelan Outfielder

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-sign-venezuelan-outfielder.html

    First Pitch: Pirates Looking to Replace Barmes?

    http://blogs.piratesprospects.com/williams/first-pitch-pirates-looking-to-replace-barmes/

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Pirates Trade Rumors: Bucs Eyeing Stephen Drew, According To Report

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2012/7/19/3170292/pirates-trade-rumors-bucs-eyeing-stephen-drew

    7 Rumbunter

    Pittsburgh-Rises-Perspective-on-Jameson-Taillon-Alen-Hanson-Video

    http://rumbunter.com/2012/07/20/pittsburgh-rises-perspective-on-jameson-taillon-alen-hanson-video/

    8 McEffect

    Thursday 7/19 Minor League Roundup

    http://www.mceffect.com/2012/07/thursday-719-minor-league-roundup.html

    9 The Green Weenie

    Starling Marte

    http://oldbucs.blogspot.com/2012/07/starling-marte.html

    10 Hyzdu Headquarters

    Baby Bucs

    http://hyzduhq.blogspot.com/2012/07/baby-bucs.html

    11 WHY GAVS

    food for thought

    http://whygavs.com/pittsburgh-pirates/july-2012/thursday-morning-food-for-thought.html

  10. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    12 CBSSports

    Pirates-Marlins Game Preview

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametracker/preview/MLB_20120720_MIA@PIT/marlinspirates-preview

    13 San Jose Mercury News

    Stamp to feature Alameda baseball legend Willie Stargell

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_21112637/stamp-feature-alameda-baseball-legend-stargell

    14 Chicago Tribune

    Pirates Watch

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-07-18/sports/sns-rt-bbo-pirates-teamreportmtze87ibuk0yc-20120718_1_lf-alex-presley-gm-neal-huntington-rhp-gerrit-cole

    15 Examiner

    Pirates search for power bat, pitching as trade deadline approaches

    http://www.examiner.com/article/pirates-search-for-power-bat-pitching-as-trade-deadline-approaches

    16 St Louis Post Dispatch

    What’s ahead in the NL Central race?

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/what-s-ahead-in-the-nl-central-race/article_66b654d8-d1ba-11e1-a58f-001a4bcf6878.html

    17 Beaver County Times

    Rumors swirling as trade deadline nears

    http://www.timesonline.com/sports/pirates/rumors-swirling-as-trade-deadline-nears/article_37d8caa9-4700-521a-b87a-4366c2e38a12.html

    SPORTS WEBSITES

    18 PBC Site

    McCutchen spurs Pirates’ home-field advantage

    http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120719&content_id=35195840&vkey=news_pit&c_id=pit

    19 Behind the Steel Curtain

    The Support that the Pittsburgh Pirates Have Been Receiving in Ballparks Around MLB is Very Reminiscent of Steeler Nation

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/7/19/3167506/the-support-that-the-pittsburgh-pirates-have-been-receiving-in

    20 Sweetspot

    McCutchen’s season reminiscent of Bonds

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/27107/mccutchens-season-reminiscent-of-bonds

  11. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Highlighting Comments Made on the BTSC News Cycle

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/7/19/3164038/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-news-comments-opinion

    The Support that the Pittsburgh Pirates Have Been Receiving in Ballparks Around MLB is Very Reminiscent of Steeler Nation

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/7/19/3167506/the-support-that-the-pittsburgh-pirates-have-been-receiving-in

    22 Steelers Depot

    -2012 Schedule Preview-Week 8 Redskins

    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/07/pittsburgh-steelers-2012-schedule-preview-week-8-analysis-versus-washington-redskins/

    23 Steelers Gab

    Porter Wants to Come Back and Retire as a Steeler

    http://www.steelersgab.com/2012/07/19/porter-wants-to-come-back-and-retire-as-a-steeler/

    24 Nice Pick Cower

    Head Games: Steelers Polamalu Admits To Hiding Concussions

    http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/07/18/head-games-steelers-polamalu-admits-to-hiding-concussions/

    Pitt Blogs

    25 Pitt Blather

    Pederson on Cutting the Deal With the Big East

    http://www.pittblather.com/2012/07/19/pederson-on-cutting-the-deal-with-the-big-east/

    26 Cardiac Hill

    The Cardiac Hill Roadshow: Traveling To Cincinnati

    http://www.cardiachill.com/2012/7/19/3149153/pitt-pittsburgh-panthers-vs-cincinnati-bearcats-ohio-big-east-football-mascot-arrested-travel

    WVU Blogs

    27 Metro News

    Men’s Basketball Non-Conference Schedule Released

    http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=53920

    28 WV Illustrated

    West Virginia selected No. 2 in Big 12 Preseason Football Poll

    http://www.wvillustrated.com/story/19066370/west-virginia-selected-no-2-in-big-12-preseason-football-poll

    Soccer(football)

    29 Sky Sports

    Transfer Clockwatch

    http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/clockwatch

    30 Daily Telegraph

    Tottenham defender Ledley King announces retirement from football as long-term injuries finally take their toll

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/9411456/Tottenham-defender-Ledley-King-announces-retirement-from-football-as-long-term-injuries-finally-take-their-toll.html

    31 World Soccer Daily

    10 Ten stories you need to read, July 19th, 2012

    http://www.worldsoccer.com/247/world-soccer-daily-10-stories-you-need-to-read-19th-july-2012

  12. Dcpinpgh says:

    Clement isn’t in the 40 man roster. So to bring him up the pirates woul have to kick someone off. Like the future superstars that have been on a back of a milk carton while being the 25th man on the big club

  13. Drew71 says:

    D-cup, that 40-man thingee may indeed be their thinking. Doesn’t mean I have to like it. Doesn’t mean you do, either. I get it that you may just be explaining, not supporting.

    If that is indeed their reasoning inking, it seems to me to be the kind of thinking a 90 loss team which is trying to collect assets might employ. You know. 2007. 2008. 2009. 2010.

    Not the thinking of a playoff organization.

    One that is trying to, you know, win.

  14. Jandy says:

    Not sure about how much say Crosby had in the firing of Burke and the medical staff. But I did see this on the web the other day:
    http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/area/pa/upmc-presbyterian-6230029

    Says a lot about UPMC.

  15. Thundercrack says:

    Come on people, connect the dots.

    It was Dr. Burke who organized the players’ meeting in the locker room. The one where they talked about taking the ‘C’ from Crosby.

    Maybe we now know that the ‘C’ will have to be surgically removed from Sid.

  16. Drew71 says:

    I have no idea if Crosby forced the ax.

    But in the latest team picture, he has a Grim Reaper scythe and hoodie.

    Borrowed them from Nutting.

  17. Mikey C is for Clement,

    Possibly you haven’t had a chance to see the Pirates play this season.

    They already have a left-handed hitting 1st baseman, who has 13 HRs and is closing in on 50 RBIs. His 3-run homerun was the turning point in the game Wednesday.

    He has been pushed more into the outfield by Casey McGeheeheehee, who has been hitting HRs and driving in big runs while raising his season average to .260, a big feat considering where it was. AND he fields at 1st Base better than Jones or Clement.

    What the Pirates need are corner outfielders——LF when Garrett Jones is in right, and both corners when a lefthander starts. Marte fits that need.

    You asked the question why not Clement, so I ask you: where would he play if Bucs brought him up? Do you bench Garrett Jones? Do you bench Casey McGeheeheehee? Jeff Clement not only is not on the 40-man, he doesn’t present what the Pirates need at this time!

  18. Drew71 says:

    I wonder if Burke had any buddies in the clubhouse.

    Oh well. See what good it did HIM.

  19. Arriba Wilver says:

    Nutting? I thought Kyle Stark was the power . . .

  20. Tim says:

    I was always curiuos about the the mis-diagnosis of Sid’s neck injury. It seems every specialist he visited missed that one. Kind of scary. Once the neck was manipulated, the brain could breath and the headaches and dizziness began to disappear. I had neck and shoulder injuries that were mis-diagnosed for years. Doctors would tell me it was a pinched nerve, etc. It wasn’t until a doctor told me that my shoulder was out its socket (for almost 12 years) that I could finally get it properly taken care of. All that cost me was three discs being removed from my neck and being replaced with new ones from a cadaver and sealed with a titanium plate. Not to mention the four shoulder surgeries I’ve had. And doctors wonder why their they have to pay malpractice premiums. By the way, I never sued.

  21. The Gunner says:

    @ Groat2Maz2Strangeglove – # 16

    Well said old timer.

    A trade has to be in the works, this corner outfield situation has definitely worn out its welcome. Let’s hope it’s sooner than later.

    The Bucs need to play GI Jones in RF against all types of pitching and McGeheehee at 1B full time until help arrives (if it ever arrives.)

    Gee, could Horseface Maholm be coming back? Might make financial sense and he’s been hot as of late.

  22. Curt says:

    Paul Maholm is not the answer. We have a couple guys like him already in Bedard and Correia in the rotation.

    I want a power arm: Matt Garza, James Shields, Cole Hamels, Jamie Moyer (just kidding)

    Happy Friday everyone and the weekend is near!

  23. Milo Hamilton says:

    So Sid gets the entire medical staff fired ? Wonder what Rob Rossi thinks about all this ?

  24. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Gunner,

    Maholm is a left-handed Correia isn’t he? I think a lot of the guy as a person, but he’s a #4 at best. Those MLB Rumors tend to be a stretch sometimes. I was for re-signing Paul, but I think we’re no better with him now. I’ve been wrong about most everything else this season, so probably this one, too.

  25. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    Maybe leaving Clement off of the big league bench isn’t the decision of a winner.

    But giving away talent for free, like they would have to do to open a spot on the 40 man, isn’t the decision of a winner either.

    I bet they end up trading a few guys on the 40 man and bringing up clement when rosters expand in september. They need that power on the bench.

    Assuming they don’t trade the stable of major league ready Indianapolis pitchers (Wilson, Owens, Locke, Morris, etc), the Pirates will have a lot of guys take up some innings and give the important guys a little rest come September. I doubt many teams have that luxury.

  26. NMR says:

    Sid clearly has all the power in the Penguins organization. They’ve lost all control.

    I recently discovered emails proving that he was responsible for firing Mario’s pool boy after a Daddy Long Legs brushed up against his arm while sun bathing.

    His selfishness knows no bounds.

  27. LuckyNKentucky says:

    CW’s Revenge,

    Some of the major-league ready arms at Indy have gone the way of the big club lately. Not as crisp as the first half of the season. Wilson went 4 last night and gave up 4,all in one inning. His ERA is up around 4.25. Hope that doesn’t indicate they’re at a “fatigue level”. I’d like to see Clement up, too, because he deserves another shot, but, like Groaty-to-the-max said, where do you play him? Is he good enough off the bench or does he rust there like some of the guys they’ve tried to use to pinch hit in the past? Ex. McLouth, X. Paul and that guy a couple years ago that went 1-23 as a Pirate.

  28. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    @LuckyNKentucky

    Yeah i noticed that wilson was recently struggling too. Definitely concerning. he has a month and a half to get back whatever awesomeness he was showing a month ago. hopefully it’s not fatigue.

  29. gregenstein says:

    “But giving away talent for free, like they would have to do to open a spot on the 40 man, isn’t the decision of a winner either.”
    ——————————–
    Daniel McCutchen, Yamaico Navarro, Chase d’Arnaud, Matt Hague. Any one of these could be removed and easily replaced. Giving away talent is one thing, but these 4 are nothing more than roster filler.

  30. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    @gregenstein

    good point. I didnt really look at the 40 man before i typed. I could definitely deal with letting Danny Mac go with how NH builds bullpens.

    I think Navarro has to stay because they gave up a pretty nice prospect for him. and they have to keep d’Arnaud just because of the state of SS on the big club. I would survive if they let Hague go as well.

  31. I can speak clearly here against DK’s opinion, since Dejan is on vacation and has taken his children and wife to KENNYWOOD:

    I think Dejan is overreacting on the medical staff thing, blaming it on Sid.

    They also fired the dental staff: did Sid not like the way they cleaned his teeth?
    They also fired the vision staff: did Sid not like the way they squirted Visine into his eyes?
    They also fired the EMT staff: did Sid not like it when the EMTs would not allow him to turn on the flashers and play with the siren?

    The Penguins announced a couple months ago that they were joining with UPMC to build a practice & team facility in Cranberry, similar to the situation with UPMC and the Steelers on the Southside. It makes sense that UPMC would take over ALL medical, dental, vision, and EMT duties before the next season starts.

    To blame all this on Sid is overreaching, and I think overreacting. Plus, I think it does Sid a disservice.

  32. Jandy says:

    NMR, you’re killing me! LMAO

  33. NMR says:

    BACK TO WORK, JANDY!

  34. Jandy says:

    NMR, WORK is a FOUR letter word…:p

  35. LuckyNKentucky says:

    steiner,

    I thought d’Arnaud was the SS of the future. No need for Stephen Drew or the 10-million dollar man if he comes around. Like Devil Dog said last night, Barmes will be on the boat with Operation Shutdown if we get Scutaro or Drew or Chase develops.

  36. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Jandy,

    You can’t LMAO. You said you worked it off a couple weeks ago. How many were you blessed with?

  37. The Gunner says:

    @ Curt – #21
    @ LuckyNKentucky – #23

    I agree that Maholm is real similar to what we have for sure. I’d rather have a power arm, too but remember, we are a small market team without deep pockets – isn’t that what FC & NH always say? Are you guys so naive that you don’t think salary will come into play when looking to bolster the pitching (as well as the corner OF issue) – I challenge them to prove me wrong.

    Paulie would be definitely be affordable.

  38. Jandy says:

    Lucky, obviously I was blessed with several..and I married the best one ;)

    My bad!

  39. cosmo says:

    Doesn’t Tampa owe us a PTBNL in the Drew Sutton deal? Maybe that player
    could be James Sheilds. Or did we already get that deal finished when we got Drew Sutton back.

  40. NMR says:

    Rank each source in order of credibility:

    1. Ryan Doumit on MLB hitting
    2. DK’s “insider” on Marte
    3. Brian McNamee on Roger Clemens

  41. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    With all the hype about Marte, I think it’s appropriate to focus on an equally disappointing player- BARMES. I’m sure he’s a nice guy and you can see he’s trying and cares, which I appreciate. But his offense is garbage. NH has gotten rid of mistakes before and sucked up the financial burden, but this is one he NEEDS to do this year in the midst of the Pirates’ success to have any credibility as a GM of a team that is no longer a joke. And what the deuce is Hurdle doing starting him all the time? At some point you have to draw the line in the sand. .205 is not an acceptable average for a starting veteran. In fact, his whole stat spread for the year is abysmal. And pirates.com has the ignorance and unrealistic arrogance to publish an article titled “Barmes Delivering the Goods Defensively”? Seriously?! If it walks like a duck…Yeah, he’s not a total defensive liability. Great. But his offense is WAY worse than guys we expected to struggle, and it TOTALLY overshadows his defense. At least with Pedro we are getting 20 HR and 50 RBI and a few BB. I haven’t seen many games since the break, but if he can continue belting the ball opposite field like he was, I’m still on-board with El Toro. I think he’s our second chance at Aramis 2.0 (and you better freakin hold onto to him for the next few years, NH!) For all the talk about pitching and outfielders (which I do agree we need, but not as drastically), this problem is going to bite us harder than any other. Thanks for the effort Barmes, but this is the big leagues. .200 just doesn’t cut it.

  42. Timber says:

    I’m as disappointed as anyone in Barmes’ overall numbers, but since his atrocious start, he is hitting around .250 or so and is playing very good defense at short, which is what we were expecting when we signed him. Unless Pirates are 100 percent assured of getting an upgrade (and not sure you can say that with Drew or Yunel Escobar), I say save the assets in trading for OF or big arm.

    I’m wondering if Pirates could have a shot at James Shields. Rays are always looking for ways to save money, so they wouldn’t mind losing his contract. Bucs would have him at reasonable rate for next 2 1/2 years. His money next year is just about covered by Correia and Bedard coming off the books and when he gets something like $12 million in 2014, Burnett is off the books and Cole should be ready for a full season in bigs. As for what we have to trade, unfortunately it might take losing Taillion, but we also have an extra chip with the draft pick we got from the lottery the other day. A process that, as ridiculous as it is, didn’t see Tampa get a pick.

    Since everyone loves talking about package deals (I know, No Soup For Me), maybe Taillion, Robbie Grossman and the draft pick for Shields. Throw in one of the younger prep arms from a few years ago if necessary. That’s a lot but he’s a true workhorse who’s pitched in the playoffs before and gives us a rotation of Shields, Burnett and McDonald through next season, then we have Shields, McDonald and Cole in ’14.

  43. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Pressing non-existent “like” button on Jandy and NMR above.

  44. Milo Hamilton says:

    @NMR

    I rank the “insider source” on Marte as the most credible. He got exactly what he wanted.

  45. Jandy says:

    All these “insider” sources are like Reality TV…trash!

  46. Indian Brad,

    To get rid of someone you have to have someone to replace them! There is not a plentiful supply of shortstops in the Majors or the high Minors right now. The Major League teams who desire an upgrade at short approaches double figures.

    There is a reason Gorkys Hernandez replaces Garrett Jones or Drew Sutton after 7 innings in the outfield——and it’s not just to get his ‘letter.’ Defense wins games/holds games.

    Josh Harrison at shortstop is an adventure at best! Shortstop is maybe the most important defensive position, even moreso than Center. It is the one position that substandard offense can be tolerated. And what is Harrison batting: .10, .15 points higher than Barmes?

    Am I happy with Barmes’ offensive output——no way! He has been putrid! But he has been solid if not spectacular at short, and turns the double play——the most important defensive play in baseball!——much better than Ronny Cedeno. His defensive play has been above average during the last 20-25 games, while the Pirates have been winning.

    I’m all for all around improvement at short, but you have to have a replacement before you can just cut Barmes loose! Stephen Drew is an unrestricted Free Agent after this season, so I would not give up much to obtain him and his $7 million contract. Chase D’arnaud is just now starting to recover from the concussion he received getting hit in the head by a pitch. Who do you have to replace Barmes?

  47. Kentuck Knob,

    I know you are not Catholic, but you are a preacher, and I have to come to you for confession.

    Mark Appel is a fine, upstanding young man, a young man who professes strongly his faith in God. He is a credit to Stanford, his church, his community.

    However, I have to confess that I want ill for him. I want him to perform poorly next college season, I want him to step on a bat and sprain his ankle, I want him to get hit with a line drive and bruise his shoulder, I want him to lose 5 mph off his fastball, I want him to have a number of games like he had against Florida State (which I watched) in the College World Series. I want him to fail and fail badly next season.

    I don’t want permanent damage to him, and I would like him to have a nice Major League career . . . . . . . after he becomes a 2nd Round or lower draft pick next year.

    Can you give me forgiveness, penance, justification? Can you help me take the log out of my own eye? Can you assure me the peace that passes all understanding? Help me, Pastor, you’re my only hope!

  48. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Groat,

    1John 1:9 will give you what you need, but I have to confess, too, I feel the same as you do on Appel. If I was Catholic, I’d be going to a priest or Jandy, our resident Mother Superior Teresa, for absolution myself. Maybe even to DK, since he DID NOT say Appel would sign.

  49. Drew71 says:

    Inside sources?

    I thought we established there are no buddies in the clubhouse.

  50. Jandy says:

    Groat & Lucky ~ I will give you both a penance to do….to ease your conscience…You must write on this blog 10 times:
    I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!

    If Appel is a fine upstanding Christian, then I AM INDEED Mother Teresa!

  51. Drew71 says:

    Lucky, I have to confess. You know. This snide thing I do.

  52. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Jandy,

    Appel may be a Christian, but Boras, I’m not so sure. Maybe agnostic.

  53. Arriba Wilver says:

    Maybe Burke isn’t an approved doctor under UPMC’s health plan?

  54. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Funny about Appel. I feel the same. We do have some good looking SS prospects behind Chase in AA and A……Looks very promising. We can win if Barmes can play good defense and hit .230 or so. This Mendoza line crap has to change, though….Going to be an interesting next couple weeks. Looking forward to being in town Monday to catch the game.

  55. Kentuck Knob,

    Dejan may have not said “Appel will sign” in those words . . . . . . but he did say a number of times that Boras always signs his draft picks!”

    I think he’s parsing with you. You were right with your original list yesterday!

  56. JohninOshkosh says:

    Groat:

    Here your go:

    Et ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis
    in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

    You probably didn’t have to take Latin during your poor Protestant Duke education, but that is how I remember it from years of painful Latin studies.

  57. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Groat,

    NMR pointed that out, too. I’ll reinstate that to my list. Glad I don’t have to publish my list of incorrect statements. I’d have to ask Drew for absolution then.

  58. Drew71 says:

    Arriba – Maybe Burke was too snide.

    Hey. Do we need a doctor in here?

  59. Drew71 says:

    (I probably do, but wrong specialty)

  60. 1/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    2/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    3/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    4/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    5/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    6/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    7/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    8/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    9/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!
    10/ I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!

    And, one to grow on: I HOPE APPEL SUCKS IN COLLEGE NEXT SEASON BECAUSE HE BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF!

    I was afraid, JandyGirl, that you would get that ruler out and smack my wrists!

  61. Drew71 says:

    Just wrists? Where’s the fun in that?

  62. Jandy says:

    Groat, you might like that ;)

  63. Jandy says:

    OK gotta get some work done…catch you al lin a bit…

  64. DemonDachshund says:

    @Groat

    Drew has a $10M team option for next year. That’s a big chunk of change for the Pirates to eat, but they COULD do it.

    And you could always keep Barmes on the roster as a utility infielder/defensive replacement/starter next year if you can’t find something better. As someone else mentioned, he plays hard and there’s no question that his defensive game has been outstanding recently. The money is excessive for that role, but it’s already spent. Might as well get something out of it.

  65. Oshkosh b’gosh,

    “I absolve you from your sins,
    in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”

    I feel washed!

    I thought everyone in Wisconsin was Lutheran!?!

  66. Drew71 says:

    Can you folks tell when I’m in four-hour meetings?

  67. Drew71 says:

    Yes. Give Drew $10M. I’m all for that. Please.

  68. Arriba Wilver says:

    Groat— I agree about the Appel parse. The “this team will hit” is also a parse. DK definitely said last year that he thought the team was going to hit. Probably because thats what the players, like Doumit and Jones, were telling him. (he thought pitching and defense would be the problems.). No big deal, but thems the facts.

  69. DemonDachshund says:

    Also regarding Drew (not Drew71, our MVP who we wouldn’t think of trading)

    The original story was that the Bucs, Red Sox, and Tigers were talking to Arizona about him. Buster Olney then tweeted that the Bucs and Red Sox had not discussed Drew.

    So maybe Arizona talked to the Tigers about Drew, and then created the rumor about the Bucs and Red Sox interest to try to drive up value?

    Some days, I hate the internet.

  70. Drew71 says:

    Depends on what your definition of is is.

  71. Devil Dog,

    I have always liked Stephen Drew. However, I thought Arizona signed him to a bad contract a few years ago, and that is proving to be true.

    Barmes has to be paid regardless, and I’m OK with him as utility man. Yet I cannot see conservative Neal Huntington and “Red Sox bad/Rays good!” Bob Nutting putting $15.5 million just at shortstop next season.

    BMTIB would decline the $10 mill option and hope to sign him for less. Therefore, he’s as good as gone, and whatever Pirates trade to obtain Drew becomes only for 2 months!

    Go get me that shortstop the Rockies brought up from AA to fill in for Tulowiski. That guy looks like a keeper, and we’d have him for 7 years!

  72. Wilver Dornel,

    You are right on the nose on both counts! No doubt!!

    By the way, I bought $600 worth of your stamps this morning!

  73. Arriba Wilver says:

    G2M–agree with you completely on #70, and the only way you get Drew is if you think he puts you over the top this year, and I don’t think the brass sees Barmes, with his defense lately, as that weak link. Also, some guy on the Fan yesterday ( Olney or Heyman I think) said that there had been no discussions between the Snakes and the Bucs about Drew, despite rumors to the contrary.

  74. Arriba Wilver says:

    G2M–I meant to pick some up yesterday, but will today.

  75. Wilver Dornel,

    I’ve been bugging my local post office every time I went in, but they weren’t there.

    I found that if I bought them online or by phone, unlike at the Post Office, I could buy only Willie stamps, not requiring the whole block of 4.

    I will now have no excuse for not sending my mother and my kids birthday cards or Mothers’ Day cards. I should just be like Dejan and not recognize “Hallmark moments.” But then, when would I get to use $600 worth of Willie stamps?

  76. Arriba Wilver says:

    G2M—thanks for that heads up on buying them online or by phone.

  77. Jandy says:

    Peeking in, I see that (our) Drew (for MVP) is having quite a running commentary ;)

  78. PetroSteel says:

    I’m not happy with Barmes’s hitting either. But, I wonder how some of the other guys would be hitting if they were batting before the pitcher in the order??? That’s not an easy spot.
    I think we need to address the corner outfield situation first. But, I’m not ready to sell the farm yet to get what we need.

    I’m not sure how anyone can be unhappy with Appel. The bottom line is that MLB screwed us. We found a way to get ahead and use the system to our advantage and the big dogs weren’t happy about it. We can’t afford to play in their world with free agency and they didn’t want to play in our world with these signings because it wouldn’t give them enough of an advantage.

    That idiot (Selig) even tried to take credit for the Pirates success. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? I’m not going to congratulate the Pirates owner or front office and staff yet because we still have a long way to go. But, so far…so good!

    Groat, I agree with you. Burke was fired because of the agreement that they made with UPMC. Seems pretty obvious to me too.

    Please no Maholm. We have enough number 5 starters. I think we focus on a big bat for left field and a couple veteran bench bats and see what happens. But, don’t sell the farm.

  79. Bizrow says:

    I think we need a baseball game to get us back on track.

  80. Drew71 says:

    I think I’m pretty much on track.

    Sadly, game or no game, this is all the game i got.

  81. Drew71 says:

    In other words, I’m the 57-win-Pirates-team of posters.

    So i got Nutting.

  82. Drew71 says:

    Did my running commentary turn into a monologue?

  83. Presenting Drew in the V-J Monologues!

    It’s thundering and lightning-ing to beat the band outside, but no rain at present! We desperately need the rain!

    I have a double header tonight.

    Please, God, make it rain everywhere in Western Pa. but over my softball field in Bridgeville and over PNC Park.

  84. likeabugonarug says:

    Someone has to break up the MVP’s monologue.

  85. likeabugonarug says:

    Groat – Shouldn’t that be the D-K Monologues?

  86. JaxBuc says:

    I keep checking (Trolling?) this blog expecting to see an announcement concerning the promotion of our favorite AAA outfielder (and I don’t mean Tabata). But nothing so far. Alas, back to work.

  87. likeabugonarug says:

    Jax – the blog still needs to work on a couple things before it can announce that promotion.

  88. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jax—they never announce stuff like that till close to game time, so as to fool the bad guys. It’s been scientifically proven that the number of extra wins it leads to is . . . Nah, it’s meaningless, except Kyle and Neal get to giggle profusely.

  89. Naje says:

    AW-

    Well truth be told, we’ve been told many times that the Bucs never announce those moves until a player is in the clubhouse and ready to get on the field.

  90. Naje says:

    Drew–

    You can start game two of any play-in playoff game for my team, my man!

  91. Drew71 says:

    I’m All In.

    But what does truth have to do with anything we do?

  92. rose haffey says:

    Thanks DK for responding while on vacay. I follow the team closely and followed the story faithfully. But thanks for insulting my intelligence. Your statement was interpreted and not just by me to infer the firing had something to do with a part of Sid’s signing. If you want to pull the I-know-more-because-I’m-an-insider card by all means do so. I would imagine that means not being so defensive when you’ve made a claim knowing all the insider “facts.”

    DK: Rose, I’d have no way at all of knowing if you followed the Penguins closely or not. There was no sarcasm, no insult intended. I deal with a lot of readers of varied interests here.

  93. Najmo,

    That old Pirates’ Publicity Machine sure knows how to do its job.

    We wouldn’t want to sell an extra ticket or two by announcing ahead of time that the long anticipated AAA player will be in the starting line-up! Let’s wait until 5:00! 6:00 even!

    Think Pedro Alvarez and Brad Lincoln!

  94. DemonDachshund says:

    The PG article today, with plenty of quotes from the FO, strongly suggests that Marte will not be up anytime soon. Stark states that Marte will be up to play everyday when he gets up to the majors… That implies to me that they’re waiting until they see what they get by trade before any call up.

  95. TC says:

    @ Najmo.

    I believe tonight and tomorrow are (nearly) sellouts anyway.
    No ticket posteuring there.

  96. Come on, Rosey . . . . . don’t sugar coat it.

    Tell Dejan plainly that you disagree with him!

  97. TC says:

    Couple of deals down today: Astros and Blue Jays… (JA Happ only “name”) and Rockies-Royals (nothing notable).
    Dempster “close” with LA Dodgers.

  98. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Najmo and all,

    I believe the Pirates are in the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” mode right now. They seem to think everything is OK now, we’re scoring some runs, so why mess with Marte’s “development” until we REALLY need him (like we did in April). Just MHO. Besides, he needs to know how to hold the bat in the on-deck circle before he’s called up. That, and how to answer when someone says something stupid to him like “how does it feel to be called up the the majors?” Without those valuable tools, he can’t help the big club.

  99. LuckyNKentucky says:

    And don’t forget, Marte’s plate discipline is still in question. This from a team that fanned 17 times in a game this week.

  100. Devil Dog,

    I wasn’t very impressed with the article on Marte in the P-G today.

    It sounded like it was written by the Pirates’ Publicity Staff. Blowing smoke!

    I gained no special knowledge about Starling Marte in that high schoolish article. Maybe it was copied from the World Book Encyclopedia.

  101. NMR says:

    Arriba gave me a great visual.

    Neal, Frank sharing a seat in front of a computer. Press release typed. Mouse going back and forth over the Send button. Possibly eating Swedish Fish. Giggling uncontrolably while they read DK’s blog.

    “Hey Frank, think Dejan will ever tell me to make a trade again?”

    “Look at all these dummies who believed him when I said we were bringing up Sterling!”

  102. Jandy says:

    Groat, you got it wrong, G-man. Rose is not only disagreeing with DK, she is totally p*ssed that he insulted her intelligence (No sarcasm intended at all, totally serious here). It’s not good to upset a lady that way!

  103. cosmo says:

    Guys, remember our FO preaches patience before it promotes players.
    Just saying but if we had Strassburg and Harper in our system they would still be
    tearing up in TOONA.

    On another note the trade barrier has been broken. Royals and Rockies trade pitchersand the Astros and Jays pulled off a 10 player deal today.

    Rockies picked up Jonathon Sanchez, so I guess we won’t be discussing the possiblity of the PBC aquiring his services.

  104. Jandy says:

    NMR, I can almost hear the demonic cackling…

  105. NMR says:

    “Rockies picked up Jonathon Sanchez, so I guess we won’t be discussing the possiblity of the PBC aquiring his services.”

    I didn’t realize Altoona was short a starter.

  106. Here’s a thought: bring up Marte NOW and let him play for 10 days to see first hand if he can handle the Majors AT THIS TIME.

    If he fails, spend the prospects to get another outfielder.
    If he succeeds and tightens up our outfield defense, Bucs have gained an important piece to help their drive to the pennant AT NO EXTRA COST!

  107. Thundercrack says:

    “Look at all these dummies who believed him when I said we were bringing up Sterling!”

    Did the ‘sources’ tell DK that Marte was coming up, or that he was READY to come up?

    I always like to stick up for DK when I can.

    DK: What are you referring to, TC? Stick up for me from what?

  108. Thundercrack says:

    10 days is about 50 at-bats. Do you really want to evaluate the kid on that?

  109. Jandy says:

    TC your loyalty is overwhelming ;)

  110. Jandy says:

    does that classify as a snide remark????

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    DK–”don’t know if you’re new to following the Penguins,” “not exactly a trade secret?”

    Whatever the intent, that’s sarcasm, condescending and insulting to someone who is a fan. And I have no idea who Rose is. Sure, she came at you a little strong, and I have no problem with your original post about Syd, and think the reacYtion from some has been overblown. But that doesn’t change the nature of your response to Rose.

    Naje—and how does your “truth” differ from my sarcasm, condescension and insult to Neal and Kyle?

    DK: l’ll stand behind my sarcasm. But that wasn’t it. I wrote it, and I know what I meant.

    And what reaction to the Sid thing? Have seen one blog comment and one tweet so far.

  112. Jandy says:

    Wow, this place is decidedly “testy” today. Must be the weather…yeah, that’s it!

  113. Cracker,

    Marte’s got to get his first 50 ABs sometime!

    I’m not implying that Bucs cut him if he is not stellar in those first 50 ABs.

    However, if he hits like he did in Spring Training, I feel less pressure to give away the farm to get Upton or a 2-month rental.

  114. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Jandy,

    Not our job to classify remarks as “snide” or “hate”. That’s up to Roberto. Please don’t overstep your bounds and try to do it. You will be reprimanded. (Testy, right?)

  115. NMR says:

    “Whatever the intent, that’s sarcasm, condescending and insulting to someone who is a fan.”

    Par for the course lately. And I’m the hypocrite who quite reading Tim Williams for the exact same reasons.

  116. Thundercrack says:

    Imagine if they would have given Pedro a 50 at-bat tryout earlier this season.

    I just think if you are going to bring Marte up it should be for a much longer time.
    And Spring Training pitching is not anything close to major league / pennant race pitching.

  117. Thundercrack says:

    Thanks Jandy. And in honor of my friend Drew I refrained from including the smiley fact in my post.

  118. DemonDachshund says:

    @Groat -

    I agree that the article was awful and looked like a PR piece from the Pirates intended to defend keeping Marte in AAA. That’s kind of the point. Why support the writing of an article about why someone isn’t being called up when you plan on calling him up tonight, or even next week?

    Unless the team fails to pick up an OF over the next 11 days, or unless the team falls apart again, I don’t expect to see Marte before September.

  119. Bizrow says:

    @Jandy

    Yup, that and a day off. And impatience to see if the PBC pulls the trigger on a deal.

    IMO, they don’t pay Dejan enough to put up with us sometimes (emoticon not added due to respect for Drew)

  120. Jandy says:

    Lucky, depends on the manner of “reprimanding”, I might like it! ;X

    TC, hey, no worries. I include smileys, just so I can poke our very own “Drew-Bear” :) :) ;) :) :) ;) :) :) ;) :) :) ;)

  121. Jandy says:

    Biz, hey I don’t always agree with DK, but I keep coming back here. Nobody does it better…as the song goes…and as far as I’m concerned, all you guys in here put up with me…just sayin’

  122. Milo Hamilton says:

    ESPN is reporting the Penn State University President Rodney Erickson and not the Board of Trustees will decide on whether to remove Joe Paterno’s statue. The same Rodney Erickson who as Provost granted Emeritus status to Jerry Sandusky in 1999. That’s comforting.

  123. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Jandy,

    Not the good kind of reprimand. That’s up to your hubster. The kind Roberto inflicts. Insert smiley emoticon here.

    Although, credit where credit is due. He has been the good Roberto lately.

  124. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo–stick to the facts, buddy. Erickson approved it “reluctantly.”

    Sheesh.

  125. Cracker,

    In no way do I see a 10 game, 40 AB look-see (I think it would end up closer to 40, not 50) an end all to Starling Marte’s career. Jay Bell came up, did poorly, went back down, then came back to the Pirates the next year and became an All Star and a Gold Glove.

    However, folks are clambering for an outfield bat and defensive stalwart to be produced by BMTIB at the trading deadline.

    Wouldn’t it be a shame if we got rid of important prospects, including possibly Marte himself, to pick up something we already have right now in Starling Marte? Let’s give it a look-see before the deadline. What can it hurt?

    Spring Training pitching might not be pennant race pitching, but I’d much rather Marte went 12/25 than 2/25. Why not give him a shot? Or maybe you prefer seeing the rain dances Josh Harrison and Drew Sutton perform in the outfield on fly balls!

  126. Jandy says:

    Lucky, Roberto’s just playing at being mean and rough and tough. He pokes people the wrong way….errr..well, you know what I mean ;)
    He’s only been good because he’s been busy elsewhere, from what I’ve seen…
    oh dear, was that snide too???????????????

  127. Jandy says:

    Groatster, your “Cracker” salutations are bringing to mind one country hillbilly songster. Somehow I don’t see TC fitting that mold. lol

  128. Thundercrack says:

    Groat,
    I agree with you. I want Marte up here too. But for longer than you wanted.

    Something weird is going on. I know the outfield play has been poor, but they continue to win. I’m not sure how many more games Marte’s bat would have helped them win in June & so far in July. The glove would have helped in a few.

    And I don’t think they’ll make any trades much before the deadline.

  129. Cracker,

    I think we actually agree.

    My trust level is just low on trades, and I would hate to see Marte go away in a trade without his having any kind of chance here.

    We have been lucky in the outfield so far. Defensively that luck has got to end sometime.

    If BMTIB picks up what we need in straight cash deals, like last year, I will be happy.

  130. JandyGirl,

    Let me get this straight——you say what’s his name is good when he’s not here . . .

    . . . . . but a jerk to many when he’s here. You are quite a first defense!

    You should apply to be in the Pirate Publicity Department!

  131. JohninOshkosh says:

    You all do know that Dejan is like Dad driving the clan cross country in the family truckster? “You kids shut up back there or I’ll stop this car and turn around.”

  132. Jandy says:

    I’m not saying he’s good when he isn’t here, I’m saying he is perceived to be good because he hasn’t been here to make snide remarks. Groatster, don’t spin tales around my replies :p

  133. Jandy says:

    OshKoshB’Gosh….lol I remember those days vividly myself!

  134. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    So…what’s going on in here?

    Strange discussions.

    So it seems some want Stephen Drew and his even worse hitting, than what we currently have this Barmes.

    No thanks. Also, by adding his $10M option next season, gives the Pirates $15M on the books for 2 semi-washed up SS’s.

    Drew has struggled over the last year or two. No thanks, used to be a fan, but he hasn’t produced much lately.

  135. Oshkosh b’gosh,

    You know, if Dejan were driving us all cross country, we would be pulled over along the side of the road right now . . . . .

    . . . . . . . while Dejan pulls out his license and proof of insurance.

  136. Arriba Wilver says:

    John–I’m very glad you spelled “clan” with a “c” or we’d be having a different conversation. And I agree with you . . . but remember when Dad said “we’re not lost.”

  137. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Groat

    You sir, have been spot on from what I’ve read thus far, please keep up the good work.

  138. Jandy says:

    Groat is on a roll, he’s trying to keep up with Drew…and doing a good job, too!!!!!

  139. Naje says:

    AW-
    Not sure what you mean, but I didn’t know you were being sarcastic… I was just trying to help.

  140. Jandy says:

    AW, I have five sisters and two brothers. I heard so many “If I hear one more word from you…” “I want to know which of you did it, or you’re ALL going to get it…” to “Eat it or don’t move until you do…”
    Those were the days!

  141. Jandy says:

    Uh-oh, have I surpassed by Post Quota??? :(

  142. JaxBuc says:

    How long would that cross-country trip take if the driver stops at every Starbucks along the way?

  143. Arriba Wilver says:

    Naje—it’s complicated. :-)

  144. Naje says:

    Whew…thanks, AW. I think I get your drift and wasn’t sure if you remembered the posts about the call-up procedure (which I think we’d have to post to remind every new blogger for every call-up situation…so, duh, yeah…shoulda got the sarcasm there…too much work today).

  145. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Post numbers: Jandy eleventy-seven; Milo eleventy-one

    But who’s counting?

  146. cosmo says:

    The Fan is reporting 2 new names the Pirates are looking at
    Billy Butler of the Royals and Hunter Pence.

  147. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    BTW, did anybody address the comment above about James Shields being the PTBNL on the Drew Sutton trade?

    I sure hope whoever said that was just kidding or, someone else put the Kabash on that..

  148. Jandy says:

    Lucky, I like to count better after one or two Cap’n Morgan and Cokes ;)

  149. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Both would cost A LOT…Butler, awesome idea, thought of that the other night when I saw one of his blasts. He’s at 18 HRs. I have always been a BB fan.

    High prices for that guy.

  150. cosmo says:

    Ryan

    Royals said they would have to be overwhelmed to give up Butler. One writer is saying the Pirates are “in a buy low frame of mind”

  151. Bizrow says:

    Neal is just window shopping like Ralphie and the Red Rider BB Gun

    Ain’t going to happen, IMHO

  152. Naje says:

    Hurdle on MLB network in just about a minute or two…just FYI…

  153. JMB says:

    thanks for the heads-up Naje

  154. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Jandy

    Try Captain & Sprite sometime. Tastes just like cream soda.

  155. Jandy says:

    Milo, thanks I think I will!

  156. PetroSteel says:

    Thoughts on trading GI Jones? He has to be at his highest value level right now and history tells us that it wont last. I think he brings a nice return?

    They will not bring Marte up in a race. They need vet’s to get them over the hump.

  157. cmat0829 says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but two things that are irritating me today:

    1) The blog here is full of snark, sarcasm, snide comments and overall negativity. To each his/her own, but geez, a little perspective and fun wouldn’t hurt.

    2) I’m a bit weary of the so-called baseball insiders who break the story as to teams looking at certain players in terms of deadline trade. How many times does one tweet get contradicted with one soon thereafter that “no discussions have been had” between teams on a rumored deal? Most of the deals that get done aren’t the ones that are rumored for weeks but that end up getting done at the last minute near the deadline.

    I think it’s a safe bet that the Pirates are actively looking at adding hitters and pitchers and I also think it’s a very good bet that they will pick up at least one of each by the deadline. Until something happens, not sure how much energy to put into any rumored deal. If I’m the Pirates, I wait the sellers out and let the asking prices go down… I also do NOT trade any of the top 5 prospects unless what is coming back is for more than this year. End of discussion.

  158. DemonDachshund says:

    @Ryan

    Drew has a whopping 52 ABs this year as he’s just returning from an ankle injury. He has a history of being a much better hitter, so his .192 in a small sample size doesn’t bother me so much.

    Given his salary and that the Dbacks owner has publicly called him out, he should be available on the cheap in terms of prospects.

    As for the option, you obviously only consider picking it up if he returns to the form that got him the deal in the first place. Otherwise, let him walk.

  159. LuckyNKentucky says:

    cosmo,

    I hope the Fan is right. I’d take either of those two young guys, long-term. Not just rentals, but proven, young major leaguers. Makes good sense. (which means neither will probably be here)

    Jandy,

    I wouldn’t be very good mixologist. I mixed amonia and clorox the other day and created mustard gas in our garage. That’s probably what you get if you mix Captain and Jack, right?

  160. JMB says:

    Pence would cost as much as Upton in prospects, and we’d only have him thru next season (@ $15MM-ish arb # in 2013).

    I think I’d rather have Upton thru 2015 if we had to give up Jamo & Marte either way.

    If the Phillies lock up Hamels long term, they need to move some payroll due to the tax threshhold, so we might be able to get a deal done with them.

    As many experts say, we don’t match up w. Zona, so we’d need to get Headley from SD and flip him back to Zona for Upton.

  161. Jandy says:

    Luckyman, if I mix Cap’n and jack,I get hammered ;)

  162. NMR says:

    @Milo

    re: Erickson

    The crazier part of giving Erickson the decision, if true, is that he’s basically the interim president. His term is over at the end of the year.

  163. Jandy says:

    ok guys, gotta get a few more things done, then out for the day.at work..maybe catch you this evening. Enjoy the game!

  164. cosmo says:

    Lucky,

    not getting my hopes up either, Lots of Pence rumors last year and we ended up with Ludwig

  165. Mike Shigley says:

    On a kindlier note, here is a good story on another 2011 signing in State College (other than Heredia), Clay Holmes. http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/20/3266901/holmes-carries-spikes-over-500.html

  166. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @cosmo

    I read the same thing…

  167. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Jandy

    Hammered is the point…….

  168. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Where would Headley play if we acquired him. Good ball player, but I don’t think enough to put us over the Reds.

    Very solid team.

  169. Arriba Wilver says:

    Cmat—not to rain on your parade, but I’m having fun. I kind of agree with you about the “trades,” but really, what else is there for people to talk about. I find lineup talk boring, but I don’t begrudge the people who want to obsess over them. Que Sera Sera.

  170. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Demon

    I understand that, he didnt’ do much last year either. I think I read that his buyout was $2.5M.

  171. Bizrow says:

    I think, if anything, they are trying to pick up an outfielder, with the way McGehee is hitting and fielding, and the Legend, IMO first base is not a real concern right now. Plus we always have Clement. I just don’t see them being willing to make a major splash, and to be honest, I’m not sure if I’d trust the FO if they tried to pull that off.

    Just sayin.

    And I DO want us to win NOW…..

  172. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Biz

    I agree, right now I think they’re just kicking tires. Which is what I want them to do. An OFer with speed needs to happen.

  173. NMR says:

    @Biz

    I don’t trust the market for outfielders as much as I don’t trust the Front Office.

    Take away Upton and who stands out as a big splash?

    Carlos Quentin hasn’t hit in six weeks, is injury prone, recently missed games, and is still the second best option.

    Honestly, why not just pick up Soriano at this point?

  174. BigE says:

    Here’s a poll question:

    Who will be the Buccos RF on September 1st?

  175. Arriba Wilver says:

    An outfielder with speed. An outfielder with speed. An outfielder with speed. Where have I heard of one of those guys? (and I mean other than Justin Upton).

  176. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @NMR

    Some are not fans of Soriano, but I know MLB Network last night did a big push about how well liked he is inside the clubhouse. I believe they were quoting a Cub executive.

    I’m in on Soriano, though I know some on this blog are not.

  177. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Sorry, Drew buy out is $1.35M. Not sure who I was thinking of with the $2.5M.

  178. NMR says:

    @Ryan

    Trust me, Soriano was the last name I’d settle on two months ago. To me, the biggest red flag is the fact that the Cubs are basically telling teams they’ll pay for them to take Soriano in exchange for a mid-level prospect and NOBODY is calling.

    The last thing I’ll ever think is that I’m any smarter or well connected than any of the 30 GM’s in Major League Baseball. If none of them have any interest in Soriano, I have a hard time seeing why I should either.

  179. NMR says:

    “An outfielder with speed. An outfielder with speed. An outfielder with speed.”

    Gorkys Hernandez?

  180. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Ok, Ok….speed and a bat NMR

  181. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    “The last thing I’ll ever think is that I’m any smarter or well connected than any of the 30 GM’s in Major League Baseball. If none of them have any interest in Soriano, I have a hard time seeing why I should either.”

    Completly agree…as a player, I’m in…….but if there’s more to it, then no.

  182. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    I’m on board with Dejesus and Soriano. I think the price could be right for either one.

  183. cosmo says:

    Didn’t the Yankees basically do the same thing with AJ. Pay the Pirates to take him.

  184. Thundercrack says:

    DK: What are you referring to, TC? Stick up for me from what?
    —————————————————————————————-

    I believe some were saying that you wrote “Marte will be called up”

    You may have wrote that, I can’t remember. But I do remember you wrote that people within the organization (high up) told you “Marte is ready to be called up”

    Those are two different things.

    DK: OK, yeah, I haven’t really seen anyone complaining about that. I really do give people credit for being intelligent enough to discern.

  185. DemonDachshund says:

    @Ryan -

    I believe the theory with Headley is that since he started in LF for the Padres early in his career, he would be able to play there again. No idea whether he knows what he’s doing out there or is JHay/#DREWSUTTON caliber out there.

    And yes, Drew did not do terribly well in his half season last year. But IF the $5M or so that it will take to pay him the rest of the year won’t block a better upgrade somewhere (SS or OF or SP), and IF his ankle is healthy, and IF you can get him for next to nothing, then I see him as an upgrade on Barmes and make the deal.

  186. cmat0829 says:

    I think we really need to look at the lineup and when we talk about player acquisitions, we need to be able to plug them into the lineup. Which makes me question Chase Headley, unless he can play shortstop. I don’t see the Jones/McGehee platoon, especially if it is a platoon at 1B as designed, as needing to be replaced.

    I think it really comes down to getting one outfielder, preferably one that has speed and can hit at the top of the lineup. Then you can play Presley/Marte in LF and occasionally plug GI Jones out there and get both he and McG in the lineup at the same time.

    I think also a shortstop can be in the mix, Lowrie or Drew would be ideal.

  187. cmat0829 says:

    RE: Soriano, he strikes out a LOT and is a butcher in the outfield. Not sure that is what the Pirates need… he does have power, so if the Cubs give him away for nothing then not to say it wouldn’t be tempting but gosh not sure the Pirates can K any more some games then they have, but watch what happens with Soriano in the lineup.

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