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Final: Pirates 8, Cubs 4

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (59-44) vs. Chicago Cubs (43-59)

Time: 2:20 p.m.

Site: Wrigley Field, Chicago

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Chicago LHP Travis Wood

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Josh Harrison, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  5. Travis Snider, RF
  6. Michael McKenry, C
  7. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Jeff Karstens, RHP


  1. Stickyweb says:

    Playoffs, we are you man. I’m jonesing to lose some fake bucs

  2. tdb1977 says:

    I dont care what the line is, I’m getting back into it today. So, my blind beat will be 100 on the Over :) Whats another 100 fake units lost when your already in the hole by 1040 :) And if there ends up to be no line today, those fake units will probably be lost this weekend. Beat ‘em Bucs!

  3. Bucco_Jax says:

    Going ‘Blind 6′

    100 on the OVER

  4. Bucco_Jax says:

    @tdb1977 LOL, glad to see someone else willing to take a blind risk!

  5. JRay3 says:

    DK – one quick question from your Sulia thoughts today. Why does it have to be an excuse if somebody is OK with what the Pirates did at the deadline?

    I agree with your statement that Jones>Pence is irrelevant but respectfully disagree that it becomes Snider>Pence?Victorino is the debate…they don’t play for the Pirates so it should be is Snider>Presley the guy he replaces in the Pirates lineup. Is Wandy>Correia the guy he replaces in the rotation.

    As for the team doing very well thus it is OK not to add much, the Pirates by far added more than teams like the Reds, Cardinals, Dbacks, A’s. Red Sox, Rays, Orioles who also can say they are doing very well and in most assessments added nothing.

    I am one that is on record liking what the Bucs did and the approach taken but do not feel I am giving excuses as to why I’m OK with what they did at the deadline more so offering some analysis to all that transpired and comparisons to what other teams did or did not do in the league.

  6. DemonDachshund says:

    If you had shown me this as the day after the deadline lineup back in April, I would’ve been surprised that we didn’t move Karstens as part of the rebuilding process.

    Ah well, keep proving me wrong guys. I’ve enjoyed it all season long.

  7. LuckyNKentucky says:

    At least 24/7 has a sense of humor. He blamed his auto-correct for Tweeting Juan Crud and Chad Qualms. Now we know he has a pulse.

    Hope Playoffs didn’t get fed up with 2222 again. Some of 2222’s posts last night were worse than normal, if possible.

  8. Jandy says:

    Lucky, if all involved would just ignore 2222, it would go much better. I realize the blood pressure goes up, but it’s a waste of time and emotion. Ignore is the best option in this case.
    2222 is feeding off of it. Let it go.

  9. JohninOshkosh says:


    Put me down for a blind 100/Under

  10. pants-n-at says:

    2 Jandy. I suspect Playoffs and 4 dueces are one in the same. did you ever notice you nevr see them both in the same place at the same time?

  11. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I love talking to people like 2222. My blood pressure doesn’t go up, it calms down because I know its an easy fight……..

    But, when talking to some like that, their last remark is usually “whatever”

  12. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    And playoffs is always asking for him to speak to him……….kinda weird though


  13. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Gameday from MLB?

  14. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    The cool thing is, the game starts RIGHT in the middle of my lunch time……….awesome.

  15. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’ll give veintidos squared some due. The other day he signed his post, “Tony Robbins.”

  16. JaxBuc says:

    I’ll wager 50 unnamed units on the OVER, please. Unless the wind is blowing in, it needs to be 100 divided by the average windspeed.

  17. stickyweb says:

    I love 2222s posts. They remind me of how my dad sees the Pittsburgh teams. It’s useless trying to talk to him cause nothing is ever good enough & todays MLBers aren’t as good as the kids from his neighborhood.

    Credit to 2222 for his restraint last night. He didn’t demand we trade AJ after he hit a batter.

  18. pants-n-at says:

    @ Ryan 11. It’s an easy fight because he doesn’t fight back.

  19. LuckyNKentucky says:


    That’s the one. It’s much better than the four-letter one.

  20. Thundercrack says:

    The Fort ahead of Pedro ?

  21. McG says:


    Going to keep the trend going and wager 100 on the over. I’m feeling a big day from everyone.

  22. Kevin says:

    Playoffs –

    I will take 100 on the OVER as well…damn the torpedoes!!

    Thanks, as always.

  23. Jandy says:

    Ryan, I hear ya on the easy target, but he isn’t really a target, cuz he never really answers anyone.

    pants-n-at ~ Playoffs and 2222 are always on the same thread together.

    OshKosh, I saw that slip-up he made…lol

  24. Bizrow says:

    You folks are sick, betting without even knowing what you are betting on. Gambling is a disease…

    I’ll take 100 on the UNDAH …….

  25. NMR says:

    Thank god our Buccos don’t have to face Reed “OvertheTop” Johnson and Paul “GiantKiller” Maholm.

  26. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Sassoon gone, too? Can’t comment on the big picture in a mixed blog and out of respect for others, but I liked John’s comment about Chick-Fil-A. Hilarious.

  27. Jandy says:

    Lucky, some 4 letter words shouldn’t be uttered…that’s one of them ;)

  28. Jandy says:

    Biz…share the disease…lol sorry I don’t bet…

  29. JohninOshkosh says:

    When I was in college I went to a Cubs/Mets game with my brother (big Metsies fan). This drunken lout next to us was on Lenny Dykstra the whole game. Yelling really nasty stuff relating to Dykstra’s wife. In the eight inning, Dykstra turned around, approached the guy in the bleachers, and yelled to him, “You know the McDonalds across the street? I’ll meet you in their parking lot 45 minutes after the game and kick the (bleep) out of you.” An actual silence came down in the bleachers. Unbelievable.

    Lenny is in prison now.

  30. Jandy says:

    OshKosh, wasn’t that prison sentence drug-related?

  31. tdb1977 says:

    Wow, I started a whole new trend. Blind betting. What is this blog going to come up with next?

  32. AJS says:

    =–The Fort ahead of Pedro ?

    Separating the 2 left handed bats? I dunno. Pedro has looked to be in a little mini slump(not as bad as the start of the season or even mid may.) Trying to take some pressure off? Myabe Fort has earned it. I dunno.

  33. Jandy says:

    Fort had definitely earned it.

  34. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    #twentytwo22needstogo (DK, PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN)

    Sorry my morning meeting ran just a bit longer than expected.
    Lets open the window!!

    Today’s OVER / UNDER (always for fun of course)

    LINE #1
    Total Combined Hits + Walks by Gaby Sanchez
    Line is 1.5


    65 Current Fair Weather Participants!!
    If you haven’t played yet, what are you waiting for??!!??
    Anyone can play!! Everyone should TRY!!
    What’ll ya have!! What’ll ya have!!

    Participant Totals will be calculated and posted this evening.

  35. tdb1977 says:

    Its also a day game where Pedro has been excelling this year.

  36. pants-n-at says:

    @ Playoffs

    I’ll take 100 on the OVER!

    Go Buccos! Welcome Gaby!

  37. Bizrow says:

    I hope I lose my blind bet

  38. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    To all who are interested,

    I’m cutting back on the overall amount of time I spend on this blog. For the foreseeable future I’ll post the line before the game and then post the results after the game, and just leave it at that. I thank you all for your continued participation at The Window. I’ll keep it going til the end of the season (whenever that may be).


  39. NMR says:

    Awesome story, John. Truly made me laugh.

  40. Bizrow says:

    As if we haven’t had our fill on trades, this is from MLBTradeRumors and provides the rules for August trades, probably September ones too, but Aug 31 is the deadline for being eligible for post season rosters

    Teams can still deal after the July 31st trade deadline passes. This MLBTR Glossary entry explains how trading in August works:

    Teams have to pass players through revocable waivers to trade them after the July 31st deadline.
    Players acquired after August 31st can’t play in the postseason.
    Teams will often put most of their players on waivers to determine interest, since they don’t have to give up every player who’s claimed.
    Unclaimed players can be traded to any club in August (or even September).
    Teams don’t have to trade players who are claimed. They can hand the player and his salary over for nothing.
    If a team places a player on waivers after he is claimed, but not traded, the team loses the right to pull its player back. In other words, the waivers are revocable at first, but not revocable afterwards.
    Clubs have two days to deal claimed players, but they can only negotiate a trade with one team.
    If only one team claims a player, he can only be dealt to that team.
    If more than one team claims a player, he can only be traded to the claiming team in his league with the worst record.
    If a player’s only claimed by teams in the other league, he can only be dealt to the claiming team with the worst record.
    Teams cannot pass players on the disabled list through waivers.

  41. JohninOshkosh says:


    He is doing time for grand theft auto and providing a false financial statement. Salt of the Earth ole Lenny. Might see him on one of those MSNBC weekend shows someday.

  42. Jandy says:

    OshKosh, thanks for the reply…Lenny is already a legend. lol

  43. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Sorry to hear that, Playoffs.

  44. Mlrgenuine says:

    @ Playoffs

    I’ll take 100 on the OVER please


    Let’s Go Bucs!

  45. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs – 100 OVER

  46. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    I think it’s a mixture between that Fort has earned it, separating the lefties, and they’re facing a lefty.

    the Fort’s absolutely incredible… I was ready to write him off as a career backup last year, but he’s just amazing this year. all of his home runs seem to tie the game or bring the pirates back into a game. what a pickup he was

  47. Boise Bucco says:

    2222 is probably the best troll the Asylum’s ever had–he’s single-handedly to blame for jinxing AJ last night, he’s definitely a Flyers fan, and for anyone whoever had PG+ freeze up on them (which was pretty much everyone which was why everyone quit using it) that was his fault too.

    That said, you gotta admit, he’s really good at it…

  48. stickyweb says:


    100 on the over- we’ll see right away what Gabys made of. Bat him clean up!

    The Fort has definitely earned it. Hopefully the sunshine wakes up the power in Day-dros bat.

  49. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – well I for one we still see you around these parts from time to time, seeing that the heat of the pennant race is upon us.

    Looking to pad my lead…so for the today’s line I will take 50 on the UNDER.

    Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs time for a series win!

  50. JohninOshkosh says:


    Your input will be missed. You are an insightful writer with a good sense of humor.

  51. radio wave says:

    at playoffs:
    100 on the over please.
    Appreciate all the hard work you do for us.

  52. Jandy says:

    Playoffs, I hope the reason you are cutting back is because of anyone on here. We definitely will miss your input and humor. :(

  53. pants-n-at says:

    @ Craig. Exactly!! Lovin’ the Fort this year.

    Many of Jones’ big hits have been the same way….

  54. pants-n-at says:

    Hmmmm…Playoffs taking some time off. I wonder if we’ll see a sudden upsurge in 2222 posts. ;-)

  55. Bizrow says:

    @Playoffs, I hope you change your mind.

    You are a big part of this blog, please do not let one blogger take that away from our Lunatic Nation

  56. WOW!!

    What a line-up!! 3 starters who just 2 weeks ago were in the Minor Leagues; Pedro batting 7th behind the Fort; Harrison, who a week ago was fighting to keep his average off the Interstate, batting 2nd; and the ultimate slugger Barmes.

    Karstens and McCutch better have big games today.

    My over/under on McCutch being walked with this line-up is 2 1/2, and I’ll take the OVER.

  57. stuart66 says:


    Hope you continue, we are enjoying your input. Please assign 100 of my accumulated doubloons to the Over.


  58. bman says:


    I’ll go with 30 on the OVER

  59. cmat0829 says:

    Playoffs, please don’t go away….. have to develop thick skin for blogging bullets…..

    Please give me 100 FUs on OVER with Gaby…. (not Gabby everyone)…..

  60. JMB says:


    100 on UNDER.

    Being busy (or bizzy) is always a good thing. I hope the new job is going great!


  61. tmp444 says:

    @Playoffs – 100 on the OVER.

    And — agreed with the sentiments above that your input will be missed.

  62. crkkid says:

    @ playoffs

    Let me have 75 units on the over.


  63. stuart66 says:

    @playoffs, Hope you stay. I’ve been on this blog for quite a while, and have learned to just ignore certain posters for their predictability. I was also an early participant on the other country’s blog, from the “free” days through a very short participation in the paid “plus” site. One of the few things besides DKs posts that I liked on that one was the icons for each participant. There was one guy in particular who was a royal pain in the a$$ and couldn’t avoid posting on the exploits of his grandchildren, but he had this really distinctive icon of an anthropomorphic animal, and you could just pass by his posts in a hurry if you saw his icon.

    Ignore what bothers you from other posters, you’ll live longer.

  64. Chico says:


    25 on the under.

  65. pants-n-at says:

    @ Styart. Agreed. I think it may just be the new job with playoffs. But we’ll miss his input for sure!

  66. jeffsbar says:


    100 on the OVER

    Thank you.

  67. JAL says:

    Many changes for both teams from the opening game of the series

  68. manny _sanguine says:


    100 on the OVER pls.

    Thanks for your work in the window.

    I have no idea what 2222 posted yesterday or the day before because when I scan thru the posts and see that moniker I just skip over it. Button pushers hate that because then they can’t get a reaction out of you which is what they crave. So if you really enjoy interacting here don’t let one person drive you out. You can choose what to read and react to.

  69. DemonDachshund says:

    @Playoffs – 100 on the UNDER please.


  70. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Your presents will be missed, good luck to you.

    I will take 100 on the OVER please.

  71. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    That’s awesome, he’s in prison and was probably on ‘roids then also.

    Fans sure can take it too far……

  72. Scrap Iron Garner says:

    A full blown pennant race is upon us! Whatever one makes of the trades…here we go today with our new lineup! I am so looking forward to this weekend in Cincy. Yes, first things first, with the Cubs, but it’s been a long time since we have played this meaningful of a series as what is coming up in Cincy.
    Go Bucs!

  73. JaxBuc says:


    50 on the OVER please (regardless ofthe wind direction).

  74. Jandy says:

    And here we go…

  75. RobertoForever says:


    As always, thanks a million for all your hard work. Its much appreciated.

    I have to go under on Sanchez today. Mainly because i think Jones should be starting today, lol.

    But its really about 50/50, so excellent line. I’ll go 40 on the UNDER


  76. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    The GAMEDAY thing is pretty cool…….any gliches?

  77. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Nevermind, answered my own question……..yes, yes there is.

  78. Jandy says:

    I hope Sanchez has beginner’s luck with the Buccos…hit Cutch in!

  79. radio wave says:

    Didn’t I read that Playoffs had a new job.
    If that’s correct, wouldn’t that be part of the reason for the reduced participation?

  80. Jandy says:


  81. Jandy says:

    radio, it could very well be.

  82. JAL says:

    Marte showed his lack of plate discipline–struck out on pitch way high that no one can hit.

  83. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Better send him back down then……….I’m kidding. If that’s the only knock on him right now, then it’ll come around and I’m not worried about it. He deserves to be on this team.

  84. Jandy says:

    Well. McGehee must be having fun. The Yanks are pounding Baltimore 11-1

  85. Jandy says:

    Cano with a grand slam

  86. radio wave says:

    Not a good start.

  87. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Just checked, he’s playing 1st and has 2 walks with 2 runs scored.

  88. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Awesome….Castro is really the only threat on this team and Jeff pitches to him……..

  89. Scrap Iron Garner says:

    throw the ball back…oh wait…they are in Chicago…

  90. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    This Rizzo guy is gonna be great……..too bad his name isn’t Frank though.

  91. Milo Hamilton says:

    Robbie Cano. Don’t you know.

  92. Jandy says:

    Ryan, I’m happy for McGehee :)
    Now, if our boys would get their butts in gear…

  93. JAL says:


    yes, he belongs on the team but not as a leadoff hitter–then again, Pirates lack a leadoff hitter as their best leadoff hitter is also their best number 3 hitter

  94. Milo Hamilton says:

    This guy gave up 5 homeruns in less than 5 innings last game.

  95. JAL says:

    Not the best inning for Karstens, his game is ground balls. His fly tend to go over the fence too often

  96. Jandy says:

    The Fort is on!

  97. Jandy says:

    Barmes walks. Patience at the plate ;)

    now, if we could just get 2 on with one out..instead of two…

  98. Stickyweb says:

    They’re scared to pitch to Barmes? They must not have scouted the Bucs too well!
    Make ‘em pay Karstens

  99. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Can’t argue the leadoff thing. Don’t like AP there either.

  100. LuckyNKentucky says:


    No real gliches. Good replay activity in-game, also. They were going to try and charge for it last season but they backed off of that.

  101. Milo Hamilton says:


    No, Travis Wood just stinks. Hope our hitters realize that at some point.

  102. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Checking out the Yankees game, strange to see a 2B in the 4th hole………unless you’re Neil Walker.

  103. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Mine stopped……..wouldn’t refresh either…..probalby my server.

  104. Stickyweb says:

    @Milo #101

    So they walked Barme unintentionally? That’s almost impossible to do. How many times has he walked all year, like 5? How many pitches hit the backstop?

  105. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Nothing wrong with pitches hit to the backstop. In fact, foul balls straight back is an indication for hitters and hitting coaches. You foul one straight back, you just missed it. The sharper the foul, the more barrel was on it……..

    Its a good sign really.

  106. LuckyNKentucky says:


    It can be slow sometimes. Usually one pitch behind the actual broadcast at least on this end. I guess that’s because they’re both from the same source. A couple of our computers at home have problems with it, but the state one here is no problem. It’s just getting a second to look at it. They expect us to work, even though there’s a ballgame on.

  107. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Wow, my english is awesome today……

  108. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    That’s what I like about the gamecast one, its another window, so I can work AND keep track….

  109. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Go after the rookie Jeff!!!

  110. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    OK, so for those that are watching the game; was the defense in for the ground ball to 2nd?

  111. JAL says:

    Karstens hanging some sliders, could be trouble as the game goes on

  112. Naje says:

    AW and TC….re: Fort 6th and Pedro 7th —

    Your assumption AW is correct…splitting the lefty bats, plus a Lefty pitcher (where Alvarez’ numbers are a little more suspect).

  113. Milo Hamilton says:


    Infield was in, but it was hit so slowly LaHair would have scored easily. Plus, contact play should have been on with the bottom of the order up. Bad base running.

  114. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Not good if he does……Not like he has overpowering stuff

  115. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Kinda what I was thinking….had to be.

    Hopefully JK gets out of this against Wood and tanks Mr. LaHair

  116. twentytwo22 says:

    Cannot lose this game today. 6-4 against the Cubs & Astros is barely tolerable. 5-5 is pure abomination, and 2 of the wins were gifts.

  117. radio wave says:

    What is his pitch count?
    Seems like he’s working pretty hard so far.

  118. Bizrow says:

    Crap, 48 pitches for Kartsy and he’s only done with the second inning.

  119. Milo Hamilton says:

    There is no reason to be patient with Karstens today. The bullpen is rested & there’s an off day tomorrow. He’s clearly not sharp today.

  120. Jandy says:


  121. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Nice to see Marte show some power again……

  122. radio wave says:

    at biz #118

  123. Ring up a dinger for one of the three who were in the Minors 2 weeks ago!!!!!

    The Birdman!

  124. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Should start tacking on some runs here and there on Wood.

  125. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


  126. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I still can’t fathom Cutch batting .371

    Just ridiculous

  127. Stickyweb says:


    Did you see that note on Gameday about oppponents batting .211 against Wood in the first 45 pitches of the game but over .280 after that. He’s around 50 himself. Looks like a battle of bullpens…and I like our chance in that case

  128. pants-n-at says:

    @ Ryan: Starling

  129. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    No, missed that. Pitchers can get away things in the early goings, but they lose their edge when batters have seen all their pitches.

  130. Jandy says:

    and Cutch…another walk lol

  131. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Why birdman though?

  132. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    How about testing this catchers arm out now?

    Why does Cutch not steal bases that well?

  133. Stickyweb says:

    2 walks for Cutch in 2 PAs. I guess they don’t fear Gaby too much….YET!!!

  134. Two walks for McCutch in two trips!

    See post #56 above.

  135. Milo Hamilton says:


    Can’t agree more on Cutch. What he’s done the last 2 months reminds me of the kind of stuff Dave Parker would do in the late 70’s. And he never hit .370.

  136. Jandy says:

    A starling is a blackbird with spots

  137. Jandy says:

    Groat, good call man!

  138. Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle says:

    Come on Lumber Co……..Break out…..

  139. Stickyweb says:

    @Ryan #132

    I asked that a few days ago and someone (maybe Groat?) had a great explanation. Basically Cutch’s first move is to turn his body before ever taking a step towards 2B and all the great basestealers say your first move has to be a step with your left foot towards 2B. Otherwise he’s a step slow and that makes all of the difference.

  140. North Cali Ryan,

    The Birdman

    1/ Starling
    2/ Marte flies around the bases.
    3/ His first swing flew high and far as an eagle——cue “Fly Like an Eagle” by the Eagles

  141. Naje says:

    Ryan, Sticky…
    Cutch can’t read a pitcher… jumps are generally pretty bad… and he shortens his steps as he does that impossibly short slide into the bag… as if he has the base stolen easily for 85 feet and then he decelerates to slide in those last 5 feet… just puts on the breaks.

  142. Jandy says:

    snider with a single :)

  143. Milo Hamilton says:

    Fly Like an Eagle – Steve Miller.

  144. Stickyweb says:

    Alright, Snider with a hit off a lefty…like to see that.

  145. SeanAY says:


    Don’t you mean The Steve Miller Band?

  146. Jandy says:

    Balk! wow lol

  147. Jandy says:

    Groat, you got called out lol

  148. Bizrow says:

    A balk with guys on first and third? What did he try, one of those funky fake to third look at first move?

    Woods is close to 70 pitches in the third

  149. Stickyweb says:

    Time for a cannonball from the Fort!!

  150. AJS says:

    Balking a run in. Better or worse than the walk off hit by pitch from May?

  151. Thanks Milo——I knew that!!

    Balk scores McCutch. Keep walking him!

  152. Milo Hamilton says:


    Started his motion,then stopped. Every ump on the field called it.

  153. AJS says:

    –Woods is close to 70 pitches in the third

    Wasn’t coleman at 102 inthe 4th last night? Amazing. The Bucs are capable of going 9 innings and not seeing 100 pitches. new found plate discipline or just really bad Cubs pitching?

  154. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Scores on a balk, haven’t seen that in awhile.

  155. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    gotta go with bad pitching from the Cubs.

  156. Stickyweb says:

    Let’s see if Karstens can shut down the top of their order after we took the lead. Can’t see Wood going 5 innings. Karstens maybe 6 if he settles down big time.

  157. Sean Aye Aye,

    You’re right! I knew that! I even have Steve Miller Greatest Hits in my car!

    First time in my life I ever typed without thinking!!

  158. AJS says:

    I tend to agree Ryan.

  159. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    JK keeps at this pace and he won’t make it through 5. gotta buckle down.

  160. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    That will help……

  161. Milo Hamilton says:

    Joba Chamberlain is in. I think he can protect a 10 run lead as long as there aren’t any trampolines on the field.

  162. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Or bugs……..

  163. Stickyweb says:

    OK a 1-2-3 inning on just 12 pitches? I’d call that settling down!

  164. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Good one, Milo.

  165. Milo Hamilton says:

    …and promptly gives up a homerun to JJ Hardy. Mid-season form for Joba.

  166. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Good inning for JK. Another one like that and he can go a little deeper in the game.

    But I see him only going 5 today.

  167. DemonDachshund says:

    AJ stole all of Karstens’ 5 pitch innings last night.

  168. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Works calling…………have fun.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  169. twentytwo22 says:

    The Astros sat on Karstens’ curveball, the Cubs started sitting offspeed too. Karstens working the fastball. Nice adjustment. I think the control of his straight fastball, cutter, and sinker make his curve more effective.

  170. pattonbb says:

    Why can’t Pedro hit that pitch?

  171. twentytwo22 says:

    Should have started Walker today not Alvarez. We have one fewer bat in the lineup. Tough to win.

  172. Stickyweb says:

    Thanks 2222, I was going to compliment you on an entire post #170 without a negative word in it. Then I saw #172. Welcome back…glad you haven’t gotten any meds yet.

  173. Stickyweb says:

    Big strikeout of LaHair…on a 68 mph curve…love it

  174. twentytwo22 says:

    The offense is pathetic. 3rd time facing Wood and they have 3 bad at-bats. Marte Harrison McCutchen. 12 runs this series against AAAA pitching.

  175. twentytwo22 says:

    Thank God Karstens is pitching well.

  176. pattonbb says:

    nice at bat by Sanchez.

  177. Naje says:

    22- what planet are you from and is your home team filled with Hall of Famers who never make outs?

  178. Mike C. says:

    cubs announcer just said resop spelled backward is poser.

    learned something new today

  179. JaxBuc says:

    I still remember Harry Carey would always point out that Bob Kipper (who was from near Chicago somewhere was reppik backwards. Not sure what reppik is, though, but it didn’t matter to Harry.

  180. Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle says:

    Good job Watson/Barmes………..Now let’s go get ‘em with the bats……!!!

  181. bobhasis says:

    @Stickyweb #90 (the earlier blog)

    Thanks for your comment

    You mention, and rightfully so, that Presley hasn’t adjusted to the pitcher’s adjustments to counter Presley’s early line drive hitting.
    Can you – or anyone – tell me what adjustment Pedro has made. He hits ONLY one pitch, and cannot successfully go after (or layoff of) the outside curve or slider, from a lefty.
    Yet he is held in high esteem, but Presley is not. Pedro continually looks incapable on most pitches with movement. Sure he crushes mistakes into the next area code, but not often enough to warrant such adoration. Right now he is an ordinary ballplayer at best

  182. twentytwo22 says:

    3 outs ’til Grilli.

    Offense – feel free to add insurance any time now.

  183. JaxBuc says:

    It would be nice to tack on an insurance run or two.

  184. JohninOshkosh says:

    Three phrases I am glad I won’t here for awhile now that the trading deadline has passed:


    “all in”

    “years of control”

  185. JHadar says:


    You’re right, Pedro is ordinary — our fifth best hitter. His OPS is only .785.

    Presley’s OPS is .651 — not average.

    You put up with more with power.

  186. twentytwo22 says:

    No Lincoln, no confidence in Qualls, Hughes unavailable, Watson bats stays in to pitch. Tough to take.

  187. bobhasis says:

    Did you ever get chewing gum on your shoe, and keep walking trying with every step to get rid of it without success. It’s very irritating.

    That’s how I feel every time I see Barmes name in the lineup, and especially when he comes to the plate.

    Then there’s Hurdle; in one day we get these two castoffs from Toronto and Miami, and bingo they are put right into the lineup. Yet we have Mercer who can’t even buy his way into the lineup, while Barmes remains.

    This is what destroys my enthusiasm – blind ineffective favoritism.

    Then we have Walker sitting out on a maintenance day, and Jones and Presley sitting out on an experimental research day. I guess Hurdle doesn’t yet know he is in a pennant race, and is not leading it.

  188. twentytwo22 says:

    Whew that 0 was a relief. That whole inning was rough. Don’t ever *bleep* do it again.
    Get some runs for Grilli & Hanrahan and my nervousness.

  189. JohninOshkosh says:

    Milo’s mentioning of Joba Chamberalain got me thinking. Can I name a person at each position that has a DUI bust on his rap sheet

    1B: Miguel Cabrera
    SS: Rafael Furcal
    3b: Adam Kennedy
    OF: Coco Crisp
    OF: Shin-Soo Choo
    OF: Austin Kearns
    P: Derek Lowe
    RP: Joba Chamberlain
    MGR: Tony LaRussa
    GM: Jim Bowden
    Pres.: Frank Coonelly

    Could not think of any catchers, second basemen or owners.

  190. JHadar says:

    Bob —

    Strongly agree about Barmes. I like his defense, but his hitting is such a liability that we can take a lot less on defense and still come out ahead with even an average hitter.

    OTOH — On the other hand I do see what Hurdle’s doing. He just got these guys and he wants to see what sort of hand he’s been dealt BEFORE he has to take them to Cincinnati.

  191. JohninOshkosh says:

    Piling on in Chicago. Yes!!!

  192. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jones has 50 RBI’s. Very solid year from RF’s client.

  193. Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle says:


  194. JohninOshkosh says:

    Fort with a game blowing 3 run bomb.

  195. Keith says:

    McKenry = Clutch

  196. Boise Bucco says:

    McKenry just broke my ESPN Gamecast with that HR

  197. JHadar says:

    And there’s the rally.


  198. JohninOshkosh says:

    Fort gets labeled “Cub Killer” by Cubs radio team Hughes/Moreland. Love it.

    7 consecutive hits to start 8th inning and Camp is off to the showers.

  199. Stickyweb says:

    Looks like we’re paying back the Scrubbies for Monday’s game. Nice.

  200. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pirates are very fortunate to play a lot of games down the wire against the Cubs, Astros and Brewers….awful clubs.

    Big league debut for Alberto Cabrera

  201. Bizrow says:

    Well, it looks like dinner will taste much better tonight.

    And a good sleep to boot

  202. JHadar says:

    Boise —

    There’s a bad version of Adobe Flash out for the last week that keeps crashing browsers, especially Firefox.

  203. tdb1977 says:

    The run differencial that we lost on Monday (-10) has been made back up over the last 2 days (+12) by the 2012 Lumber Company.

  204. JHadar says:

    Chips & salsa time

  205. JohninOshkosh says:

    Cubs young pitcher, Cabrera gets a 3 up 3 down ML debut.

    7-1 PBC going to the bottom of the eighth.

  206. twentytwo22 says:

    6 swinging strikes at 6 pitches out of the zone by Marte Harrison. Incompetent at-bats.

  207. Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle says:

    Will be watching the Red game later…….and rooting against the Braves, etc….It’s been a long time since we’ve had to root against other teams….well, we’ve had football to do that………….Go Bucs….

  208. Interesting:

    . . . . one person sees the Pirates get 7 straight hits and celebrates!
    . . . . one person sees the Pirates swing and miss at 6 straight pitches and complains!

    Guess which one I’d rather hang with!

  209. twentytwo22 says:

    The ending not withstanding, that was the breakout inning this offense needed. It came against a good relief pitcher.

  210. twentytwo22 says:

    That inning ended poorly. Not as poorly as the 8th. But poorly. Teams beat themselves by having bad at-bats. I don’t care what the score is. It’s OK to win a game 15-1. Keep hitting.

  211. Naje says:

    And comment No. 211 brought to you by the manager of the interstellar hall of fame all stars.

  212. MarkV says:

    Is Hanrahan trying to pitch for the cycle?

  213. Keith says:

    Hanrahan: not the guy you want to close an 8-1 game. You always win 8-7.

  214. Bizrow says:

    Hanny hit the cycle

  215. Stickyweb says:

    Well I was going to say this should be a nice feeling heading into the off day and then to Cincy, but I doubt in will be for Hanny.

  216. Boise Bucco says:

    If there’s a day for Hanny to have a terrible game, I guess today would be it…

    …just get that last out so we can be done with it.

  217. Bill Born says:

    How we liking Snider defensively-


    It is as if he were in a closet.

  218. twentytwo22 says:

    They are allergic to blowing teams out through their own sophomoric approach to the game. They should have had someone smack them out of this malaise and it should have happened 10 days ago. They are winning more than losing but there always has to be a foul stench attached to the wins.

    This weekend could be sink or swim for the team. They might show up and play great 3 games or they may continue this dogcrap and get killed 3 times.

    Win or lose I don’t care it is their level of play I am most concerned about. I want them to play well. It is obvious that this 10 game stretch against the Cubs and Astros did nothing but drag the Pirates into the gutter. They played down to the level of their opponent.

    I am hopeful that this Reds series can spark the players and this team to elevate their game and get them tuned up to succeed through this important stretch of home games.

    I am not expecting a weekend miracle. I would be happy with 1 win and a good showing.

  219. Bizrow says:


    I see what you guys mean

  220. DemonDachshund says:

    60-44, 58 games to go

    21-37 needed for 81-81
    29-29 ends up 89-73
    (90 and 89 wins were 4th and 5th best in the NL last year)

    2.5 behind CIN (v SD) for the division

    0.5 ahead of ATL (v MIA) for the home WC
    4.5 up on STL (@COL) for the away WC

  221. Boise Bucco says:

    Maybe the Reds will do us all a favor and finally lose a game…looks like Brandon Phillips is gonna be out for a while too.

    I think it was posted earlier in the thread, but how are the pitching matchups looking? I’m guessing that since AJ just pitched yesterday that he’s good-to-go for Sunday–we’ll need him.

    Good playoff tune-up–GO BUCS RAISE IT

  222. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    This has to be the longest game in history……..or my gamecast is froze

    Someone please fill me in with the score and inning?

    I have 2-1, top 7. Alvarez on 1st and Marte just struck out

  223. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Just refreshed………holy crap!

  224. DemonDachshund says:

    @BB –

    Wandy vs Latos
    JMac vs Leake
    AJ or Bedard vs Bailey

  225. Boise Bucco says:

    @Ryan, were you using ESPN Gamecast? Mine did the same thing, right around the time of McKenry’s HR. It’s like he hit it so hard that Bristol’s servers stopped working…

  226. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I hate the closer being used in a non closing situation. Looks like Hammer got lit up.

  227. Boise Bucco says:

    Man, if AJ goes on Sunday, that trio is definitely playoff-worthy.

  228. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Yea that’s what I was using. I had to work away from my desk and came back and it was still early in the game………

  229. DemonDachshund says:

    Tough part of the schedule coming up…

    3 @ CIN – Duh.
    4 v ARI – Very hot team, making themselves a contendah.
    3 v SD – “Trap” games.
    4 v LAD – WC contender.
    3 @ STL – Always tough.

    Softens up after that (mostly) till the end 10 game stretch.

    9+ wins in there and I think they’ll be sitting pretty.

  230. twentytwo22 says:

    The Cardinals won 3 at home against the Cubs by a count of 23-1.
    The Brewers just swept the Astros by a count of 31-12, including 10-1 and 13-4 wins.

    That tells you where the Pirates are right now. They need to tune their game up or someone is going to play a tune on their whitewashed skulls.

  231. DemonDachshund says:

    The Cardinals lost two of three to the Cubs at Wrigley this weekend.


    Guess I’ll just use the standing as a tiebreaker.

  232. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Actually, this shows us nothing……..the Pirates just took 3/4 from the Astros and 2/3 from the Cubs………both on the road.

    We’re 2.5 games out of 1st. That’s what I see. Scoring diferential means nothing. W/L is what’s important.

    Isn’t it past your bedtime?

  233. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    The Brewers are 12 game behind us and the Cards are 4.5 behind us…..

    THAT’S what’s important.

  234. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Devil Dog,

    That’s the only number that counts. Quadruple deuce is in ultra-negative form today.

  235. JRay3 says:

    And the Bucs take another series 8-4 and there was nooooooooo doubt about it!

    Early deadline returns:

    Snider 3-9 3 R’s, 1 BB
    Victorino 0-4 1 K

    @ 22 – boy I don’t get you. 60-44 gain another game on the Dodgers as they lose and are now 5 back of the WC, have a series upcoming against the Reds with first place on the line, have gone 5-2 on the road trip and you are worried we didn’t win 15-1? The team won 8-4 and belted out 13 hits and Karstens picks up a win giving up only 1 run and 3 hits thru five innings of solid work.

    I encourage you to take a look at life through a half full approach instead of the fully empty one you do, you will find a lot more happiness and enjoyment in your time.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  236. twentytwo22 says:

    Alright guys, time to root ROOT on Kip Wells and Ross Ohlendorf for the next 27 hours.

  237. JRay3 says:

    @ DemonDaschund – #231 – best part about the upcoming “tougher” stretch in the schedule…11 games at PNC Park, 6 game on the road. Owners of the best record in the MLB at home this is a great chance for the team to make its move!

  238. twentytwo22 says:

    If baseball doesn’t work out for Jose Tabata he could be a hell of a race walker.

  239. twentytwo22 says:

    Arroyo hit former teammate Kip Wells. He threw at Ryan Vogelsong earlier in the year.

  240. JRay3 says:

    San Diego retakes the lead on Reds 4-3, Marlins up on Braves 4-1 would be great if those games hold.

  241. I was mightily worried after those 2 blowout losses to the Cubs. A.J. (I saved the raised fist photo to my phone) more than did his duty (what a man!) and Karstens kept the recovery going. Awesome!

  242. JHadar says:

    And still the Bucs are 18-9 in their last 27.

    This is baseball not football.

    Nobody goes undefeated.

    Real good teams play right around .600.

    Bad teams play right around .400.

    Great teams win 2/3, abysmal teams win 1/3.

    If you want to see a collection of awkward looking players that managed to win, go find some film of a guy named Clemente who made himself a name with this team 40 or 50 years ago.

  243. crkkid says:

    That AAA team didn’t look to bad today…did it?

  244. Drew71 says:

    No game tomorrow? No problem. Another 40 hours to dissect the deadline deals.

  245. Naje says:

    Or, Drew, we can dissect DK’s post about Soriano invoking his no-trade clause when approached by the PBC. Wonder if tha’s all-in enough? Of course, he can’t confirm the offer or what is was exactly.

    Soriano and the Bucs…hmmm. Not for me.

  246. Drew71 says:

    I wouldn’t write off Soriano so quickly, Naje.

    Pirates could use a designated hitter.

  247. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Here are the updated standings. Thanks to everyone who played and thank you for the kind words as well. See you on Friday.

    JRay3 ** 1575
    Mlrgenuine ** 1450
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 1400
    radio wave ** 1315
    Nate83 ** 1240
    pattonbb ** 1100
    Chico ** 1080
    crkkid ** 1025
    RobertoForever ** 870
    DemonDachshund ** 810
    dcpinpgh ** 750
    Bizrow ** 745
    Slack Boss ** 735
    Mike C. ** 650
    manny_sanguine ** 650
    cosmo ** 600
    stuart66 ** 505
    Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle ** 500
    JohninOshkosh ** 450
    Curt ** 400
    Steve J Smith ** 400
    JD ** 375
    dcpfjr ** 350
    cmat0829 ** 350
    JMB ** 350
    JaxBuc ** 325
    Evan ** 303
    Absolute59 ** 300
    Arriba Wilver ** 280
    Naje ** 250
    MarkV ** 225
    likeabugonarug ** 207
    jeffsbar ** 200
    Hal Smith ** 200
    Bucco_Jax ** 199
    Officer Mancuso ** 180
    Milo Hamilton ** 125
    milo66 ** 100
    lckythump ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    JUCOfan ** 25
    tmp444 ** 5
    Karen22 ** 0
    swissvaletoarizonapat ** 0
    NMR ** 0
    Dan1283 ** 0
    Drew 71 ** 0
    buggee ** 0
    Kevin ** 0
    lawnbeaver ** -50
    Pants-n-at ** -50
    TK ** -100
    Petro Steel ** -100
    Joe Bucco ** -100
    K. PenFan ** -100
    Rocco ** -100
    OZ ** -150
    McG ** -200
    bman ** -265
    GlassHalfFull ** -305
    Stickyweb ** -325
    Boise Bucco ** -400
    Kevin S ** -500
    bob hasis ** -500
    TDB1977 ** -1040

  248. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    From the looks of things down on the farm, the Pirates are currently whipping the now healthy Chris “Johnny” Leroux back into starting pitcher shape, what he used to be in the Braves organization before we obtained him. He’s doing a decent job of it too. Just another name to keep on the back-burner. I think he could contribute some either as a starter or reliever before the year is through.

    Also, I am surprised at the viciousness of Chad Qualls-hate going on. His numbers arent real good right now, but they arent disastrous by any means. I hold out judgment on him till he’s been pitching for a while here. Huntington’s reliever track record qualifies as reason enough, but from what it looks like, his main role is to get ground balls, and his numbers say he does that even in the midst of his current poor season.
    But Huntington is also saying that they (Qualls & the team) have found a mechanical flaw which they are fixing, and that Searage can help iron him out as well.

    Look, Grilli wasn’t thought very highly of last year at this time, yet he ended the 2011 season with the lowest era of any of our relievers. So there is enough history and reason to calm down about Qualls and let his pitching results for the Pirates be the decider of whether his acquisition is any good or not. One other note, he had some wicked 2012 Grilli-like numbers in his years with Houston & Arizona, so the potential is there. Don’t forget how far Hanrahan had fallen from grace with the Expos (I mean Nationals, same difference) when we got him as the throw-in in the Tony Plush trade.

  249. twentytwo22 says:

    (I do this for my own mental health as much as I do it to inform fellow Pirate fans. It helps to remind me that they are in good shape regardless of the flaws that are concerning.)

    Overall they are in good position both for wild card spot and more importantly a run for the division title.

    Now that we are in August it is easy to look back. In June and July, the Pirates played 53 games. Their record was 34-19 .642. Home: 22 (41.5%) 17-5 .773 // Away: 31 (58.5%) 17-14 .548

    Once you include the 4 games played at the beginning of this month the total will be 35 of 57 games played on the road or 61.4% of the games. During this time they have had a stretch of 12 of 15 games on the road and a stretch of 20 games in 20 days. In addition to the challenging road schedule, the heat and humidity of this summer must also be factored in. They have not been given enough credit as a team. Through Sunday, they will have played 58 of the 81 scheduled road games (71.6%). No NL contender has played more road games.

  250. twentytwo22 says:

    Two persistent problems

    Starting pitchers not commading the strike zone.

    McDonald has to find the fastball command and ‘downhill plane’ that allowed him to attack hitters and make them uncomfortable. Through that fastball command and low heat he was able to mess with hitters by using a high fastball for swing and miss (also for show) and get hitters to swing at his low curveball. That he also mixed in curveballs for strikes and his slider, he really made it hard on hitters. If he is healthy I have confidence that he will find the rhythm on his fastball.

    Bedard. To me he is a lost cause and he’s the only player currently on the roster that I don’t want to see ever again. The 7 players in the field behind him need a morphine drip on the field and a Red Bull in the dugout.

    I save the biggest problem for last. Crap at-bats. Inconsistent from inning to inning and game to game. Swinging at balls in the dirt, resulting in little to no walks. Swinging at pitcher’s strikes in hitter’s counts resulting in too many easy outs.

    Having poor at-bats against Dallas Keuchel and Justin Germano and whoever that Cubs pitcher was that came into the 8th yesterday lead to bad at-bats against Paul Maholm and Yovanni Gallardo and Jeff Samardscrabble. Making it easy on pitchers isn’t the way to win consistently and the Pirates make a habit of it. If you have a consistent level of performance regardless of the pitcher on the mound, the team you are facing, the score of the game, it leads to better results. Instead of losing to every Gallardo or Maholm or Samardscrabble you face, you win 50% of those games. And who knows, once you are on a roll and really hot from top to bottom in the lineup you win far more than 50%. Then when you face the Germanos and the like you don’t just win, you clobber them. So instead of squeezing out a win or for the love of God dropping a game to these bums you are winning almost every time and most importantly you are getting your share of blowouts. Blowouts make it easy to play during the dog days of the season. They serve as a mental break. They also allow Clint Hurdle to protect Grilli and Hanrahan with Lincoln gone now. The consistency of the at-bats must improve for this team to allay my biggest concerns.

  251. Drew71 says:

    Good morning Doctor Faulken. How about a nice game of chess?

  252. Matthew says:

    Anyone like Bobby Abreu for the bench?
    Any chance Wilson, Locke, or even Cole take a rotation spot for September?

  253. Matthew says:

    I knew Owens was gonna be trade bait after they reported he showed up to spring training unready.

  254. RobertoForever says:


    Everyone is on the new thread. Join us there.

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