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>> The Thursday Olympics column is about Bethel Park race walker Trevor Barron.

I know going into a piece like this that my odds of getting anyone to read a piece with the words “race walker” in it are laughably low. But let me just say here that, if I come across a more inspiring story than his at these Games, I will be surprised. And thrilled.

This kid embodies the spirit in every way. Hope you give him a chance and, more important, hope you give it a look on NBC when he races Saturday.

Oh, and check at the bottom of the file for our video interview in the Village. My first time ever at an Athletes’ Village in three Olympics. (Access not easy.)

>> One of the coolest parts to any Olympic experience is seeing, hearing and meeting people from all over the world. It’s always a special environment.

Well, not so much here, actually.

See, London is always this global, this cosmopolitan. Mayor Boris Johnson said in a recent speech that the city boasts 200 different nationalities and/or languages, and it’s easily noticed everywhere you walk.

When someone asks where I’m from, I always answer simply “Pittsburgh,” just to test if they’ve heard of us. Almost everyone says they have, followed by, “Pittsburgh Steelers, right?”

That’s right, mate.

>> Alfonso Soriano didn’t want to play for the Pirates.

>> More on the Pirates’ futile play for Hunter Pence and Shane Victorino.

>> Don’t get too alarmed about Ben Roethlisberger’s rotator cuff. A baseball doctor once told me that the number of pitchers in the game who have some damage to their cuff is exactly 100 percent. The degree is what matters.

The body’s not meant to throw overhand. That’s just how it is, until a meteor wipes us all out, and evolution can start anew.

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  5. Fat Jimmy says:

    Dejan, my wife used to do competitive race walking in high school, of all places. I’ll admit, it’s existence is bizarre to me.

    And yet golf and baseball are not currently in the Olympics.

    DK: Golf’s coming in Rio. Shame it didn’t happen here, obviously.

  6. Jandy says:

    DK, great story on Trevor Barron. He doesn’t know the meaning of the word “quit”. Good for him!

    DK: Agreed. Thanks for reading, Jandy!

  7. tdb1977 says:

    Great article DK. Learned something new today and will have to check out the race this weekend. Good luck in London Trevor.

    DK: Thanks.

  8. JohninOshkosh says:

    Spectacular scene yesterday when the projected light on the Tower Bridge was changed from purple to gold to honor the Brits’ first Gold Medals of the Games.

    Looks like the British are doing things right over there. The scenery and people watching must really be the best.

  9. Milo Hamilton says:

    Great story. What a shy, unassuming kid. When the idea of the Olympics first came about, I think it was people like Trevor Barron they had in mind. LeBron and Kobe – not so much.

    DK: I really like that the NBA guys are here. Olympics should be best of the best. I don’t want to watch an event here and wonder if there’s someone else in the world better at it.

  10. bman says:

    Enjoyed the article DK. It’s nice to see the human interest, off the beaten path stories once in awhile.

  11. Jandy says:

    Amen, Milo!

  12. B-97 says:

    I’ve seen this guy on Corrigan Drive before and who knew he was an olympian! Cool story…thanks for sharing with us.

    DK: Believe it or not, you’re now the THIRD person who’s shared something like that.

  13. Milo Hamilton says:

    DK,

    Agreed. This is the only time I actually root for LeBron. It’s nice having him on your side.

  14. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Nice column and good human interest. To me, that’s what the Olympics are all about. That event has always been intriguing, too.

  15. CWalton_67 says:

    Another terrific athlete profile. And that it is about a hometown boy who has overcome some serious obstacles made it all the more compelling. There is simply nothing more powerful than the human spirit, and Trevor has spirit in large quantities.

    Another hero found.

  16. Maddamma says:

    Dejan, I am glad you wrote this piece. My favorite thing about the Olympics are the inspirational stories of the athletes that do not participate in media event sports, like swimming and track and field.

    One question: race walking appears grueling, with all of those torqued moving parts. Are they more susceptible to some serious injuries, particularly the legs, feet and back?

    Again, thank you for this story.

    DK: No more or less than a runner, Bob. The only exception is that they actually benefit from not bouncing, which can be terribly wearing on runners.

  17. Naje says:

    DK…
    Great piece… inspirational. Put that one on the top shelf.

  18. wally says:

    Exceptional story about an exceptional kid.

    Noticed in a couple of the pictures that he had both feet off the ground. Is there a loose interpretation of the one foot on gorund at all times rule ? Hope they don’t go to the review booth on the slo mo…

  19. Naje says:

    On the “all-in” front, Mr. Starkey writes a well thought out column about those yammering incessantly that the management didn’t go all in. Interesting. Kudos to the sports editor to share those divergent opinions.

    DK: Why wouldn’t divergent opinions be offered?

    To do otherwise is to imply that the individual columnist has to clear a view/opinion with a higher-up. I can assure you that doesn’t happen here. Assignments are made, notions are challenged as far as veracity, facts and the like. That’s normal. But the idea that one columnist’s view reflects that of the paper, there’s a century and a half of precedent to reject it.

    I know you meant well. Not remotely picking on you. Just stressing this.

  20. tmp444 says:

    DK – great piece. Like Lucky said, this is truly what the Olympics are about, and I will definitely DVR (will be traveling) the race on Saturday.

    And, while I have NOT seen him or Corrigan, I (and my crazy dog for that matter) will definitely keep an eye out for him!

  21. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I haven’t seen Trevor on Corrigan Drive, either, nor do I know where it is and I was NOT at the 7th game of the 1960 World Series like about 200,000 people were. (I was at Game 2, which we lost 16-3)

    That event is harder than some of the other “harder” events. I think I could run, but that event could wear out an older guy like me. Not for the faint of hip joint apparently.

  22. Naje says:

    Total agreement, Dejan… divergent views are a great and necessary service to give the public. The best of the best do that. And I trust completely that columnists at the Trib are given free reign to address assignments as they see fit. Sitting at an editorial meeting and listening to the back-and-forth of an assignment would probably be pretty interesting and one that I’d like more info about… not the how’s and why’s, but the process.

    And an Olympic assignment, with 18 stories in 18 days, takes a massive amount of planning, no doubt. Glad you were able to share the story about T. Barron…fairly sure that was one you couldn’t wait to give us…you could tell in the reading of it.

  23. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lucky—LOTS of people are on Corrigan Drive. I don’t doubt that the people who said they saw him saw him. Now, if he wins the gold and 100,000 people say the saw him every Sunday, I will start to get suspicious. :-)

  24. Maddamma says:

    For those interested in seeing Trevor compete, the Men’s 20K Race Walk is scheduled to be shown on MSNBC on Saturday in the 4:45p – 6p time slot

  25. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Where is Corrigan Drive? (from the standpoint of someone who hasn’t been to the ‘Burgh is 14 years) In relation to some part of the city? I don’t doubt they saw him either, AW.

  26. 21sthebest says:

    What amazes me about race walking is that the winners of these races walk in under an 8:00/ mile pace over about 30 miles and I run a marathon at around an 8:00 pace which puts me in the top 10-15% of all marathoners.

    These folks are moving and I have no idea how they do it. Enjoyed the article DK.

    DK: Thanks, 21, and to everyone else with the kind words. Don’t have time to answer every single post today, but trust me that I’m reading all.

  27. buggee says:

    nice piece DK. This young man doesn’t need to have his swing-plane monitored by Mr. Ritchie as he “barrels through the zone” of life with aplomb and grace.

    Tres cool to get the human interest stories, Dejan. It’s why I always click to your work; never know what’s coming next. A rant about Bucs’ management not committing to winning NOW (which caused me to chuckle), then a piece like this. Splendid. This illustrates your writing range.

    The Trib is very lucky to have you on staff, and I bet the PG is kicking themselves.

    BTW, back from Cancun. Time to give my liver a break! Nice to be home.

    DK: Nice to have you back, Buggee. With aplomb.

  28. tmp444 says:

    Lucky – Corrigan Drive is the main road through South Park, which is immediately south of Bethel Park, where Trevor Barron is from. Four lanes of traffic, with a very wide sidewalk for walkers, runners, bikers, etc.

  29. tmp444 says:

    Lucky again – from the city – about 7 or 8 miles south.

  30. LuckyNKentucky says:

    tmp,

    Thanks. I know that area. I have relatives there. Much appreciated.

    buggee,

    Good to see you back. Jandy was worried about you and your liver.

  31. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lucky—South Park. And it’s flat. All kinds of runners , walkers, rollerbladers,bikers, dog walkers and apparently budding Olympians. Not to mention all the cars that go through there on a daily basis.

  32. Jandy says:

    buggee!!!!!!!! Welcome back, i was worried something bad had happened. =)

  33. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Thanks AW and tmp. I can relate now to where it is. Couldn’t put my mind on it before. We had our family reunion around there for years. I could even drive there at one time. Now, I’m spoiled by country roads. I’m sure I could drive there, just lack some of the patience for Pgh. driving. Went to the Nashville airport the other night and that’s enough “city” for a while.

  34. Nancy52 says:

    Great story. Have always thought race walking was very interesting.
    Neat to have a local kid and one with an inspirational story. Glad
    you were able to write it.

  35. buggee says:

    Thanks LuckyinKY(jelly), that there Jandy-girl is sweeter than real Mexican tequila (Patron is “dumbed down” for the Americans, according to the locals).

    Internet service was pretty spotty there, so following me favorite daily read was touch-and-go. Was surprised to hear the Bucs landed Wandy R. That’s a great pick-up IMO; leads me to think the BMTIB was seeking to head off another pitching collapse.

    I also like the Snider deal. Saw that kid play several times in Toronto, at which time I said to myself; “sure would be nice to see that kid in a Bucs’ uni, but the BMTIB would never be forward-thinking enough to bring him on.” Glad to see how wrong I was. He’s a gamer, and when he “barrels the ball” to go yard, the crack sounds like Pedro’s. Kid’s got power, natural power through his core, like Cutch. Great pick-up, even though I’ll miss watching Linc come out of the pen. Great trade for both teams.

    Jury’s out on the Sanchez deal, but at least he didn’t cost much, offensively. Loved Gorky’s DEE, but ya gotta give something to get something (that’s what me lil wifelett sez anyway), so we’ll see.

    Gonna be a fun run, and nice to see Atlanta fall yesterday too. Hola to all you loonies, missed y’all

  36. buggee says:

    awwww, thank you Jandylicious

  37. Chuck Snow says:

    DK..Not surprising a great article. Hope he wins a medal. Even if he doesn’t I am sure he will inspire hundreds if not thousands of kids to get off the couch and know you can do something.

  38. Noel Gallagher says:

    Dejan,
    Glad you menitoned the Steelers anecdote.
    I’ve been to China twice. Students are always looking for Americans to talk to, since they learn English in school and have no onewith whom to practice. A teenage boy approached me in 2010 as I was walking down the street. He asked where I was from. I said Pennsylvania. He said oh the Steelers!?! I said that I was a Steelers fan, but I was a bigger fan of the baseball Pirates. He found it incredulous that I was not a Phillies fan if I lived in Pennsylvania.
    I think they only get playoffs coverage in that part of the world.

  39. Jandy says:

    Noel, that’s a good story, thanks for sharing.

  40. Reading says:

    Seems like this weekend’s showdown with the Reds ought to qualify for the national game on either Saturday or Sunday. Apparently no “flex” scheduling is available.

  41. Naterosboro says:

    DK

    Liked the article, altho I admit, the Olympics just don’t do it anymore. When I was a kid, I loved them. Summer & Winter. Now, I find myself barely taking an interest in the winter games. The coverage I’ve read of yours tho has been good. It’s just that the subject matter really doesn’t buzz me.

    On a different note tho…

    * Pirates are 60-44 going into a weekend series with Cincinnati. Bucs are 5-4 against the Reds so far this season with 9 more (3 3-game series) against them. If they can go 6-3, that’s your 3 games right there. Here’s hoping that a) Travis Snider uses Great American Ballpark to his advantage and rips his first couplea HRs for the Bucs, and b) Chad Qualls sees no innings, and if he does, does so bad that he is DFAd immediately in favor of giving Bryan Morris a shot.

    * Not too worried about Ben’s rotator cuff. No one was reporting anything about his throws before he said anything. Also, I believe he partially separated his shoulder in the 1st game in 2008 (when he was sacked by Mario Williams of Houston (at the time)), and he didn’t miss any significant time. Big Ben is a warrior (in a “modern day gladiator” type way). I truly believe he’d have to be in a hospital bed not to play, altho, that’s not always the best thing.

    * Personally think the Penguins are leaving the opening on Sid’s line open for competition in training camp, with an eye towards making a deadline move if they have to. They threw all their eggs in the Parise basket and missed out. I don’t think they should overpay for Doan, and possibly get slightly hamstrung by a bad aging-veteran contract.

    * English Premier League (as are other leagues around the world on the FIFA calender; the MLS is NOT on of these leagues) is around the corner. Arsenal have signed Lukas Podolski & Olivier Giroud, and [by all indications] are close to signing Santi Cazorla and there’s strong reports they’ll be bringing in Nuri Sahin on loan. They still may lose their captain (from last season) and top scorer Robin van Persie by Aug.31, but I’m extremely happy (if Cazorla and Sahin arrive) with this summer’s business, and these moves potentially make them title contenders this season. The 7 year trophy drought ends this year (if Kenny and that Liverpool squad can win a trophy, albeit the League (Carling) Cup…..)

  42. buggee says:

    Noel, I get that all the time in my travels too. I mention that I’m a Penguins fan and–excluding Canada, Moscow and a few European Nordic destinations–I typically get blank stares or stuff like “Whaddadis Pein-goo-win?” or “You fan of bird?”

    Great story Noel.

    (And Tanger still has a pointy head covered by slimy, greasy hair and is trying to make a fashion statement by wearing Samsonite on his hip. Dat’s for you Jandylicious-lady)

  43. DemonDachshund says:

    The one thing that’s really bugging me about the whole trade deadline thing…

    Thinking that the completed trades made the Pirates better, and judging the FO on that is a logical, rational viewpoint.

    Thinking that the completed trades added potential, but did not add enough proven production to satisfy is also a logical, rational viewpoint.

    People are not “front office lackeys” for believing the first viewpoint. People are not “whiners” or “complainers” for having the second viewpoint.

    We are all fans. We simply disagree on the relative values of prospects versus proven producers.

  44. DemonDachshund says:

    And regarding Ben… No offense, but the guy’s a bit of an attention getter. In a sport where players typically play through pain without saying anything about it, he is a shining example of the exact opposite.

    I’m not suggesting that he’s a wimp or anything… Far from it, he plays through a ton of legitimate hits and injuries. I’m just saying that EVERY NFL player plays through pain, and for whatever reason he is one of the few who feels the need to constantly broadcast how hurt he is.

  45. Naterosboro says:

    “We simply disagree on the relative values of prospects versus proven producers.”

    Very true, but in either case the players brought in may do good or bad (whether they’re “proven” producers or not).

    As we can see extremely well from last seasons trades. Both Lee & Ludwick were proven MLB producers. Lee performed extremely well, and Ludwick….not so much.

    Thus the only way to see how this is going to go is to let it play out. We can still have opinions on how we THINK it will turn out (in the mean time) tho. Hence why no one is right or wrong right now, and no one is stupid for having a view point 1way or the other.

    The next 2 months should be fun!

    Isn’t that what entertainment is all about?!

  46. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Nate,

    Hard to believe the same Ludwick has 19 HR’s this season and has resurrected his career. Bad timing for us.

    Sure was scurrying for reasons (excuses) for Snider in the 9th inning yesterday. Wrong time of day, ball hit right at him, he broke in, took an incorrect angle, even Brenly said he slipped initially. Looked like a softball player on that one. But some slack is necessary for many reasons. He may be a great pickup.

  47. JHadar says:

    Really it isn’t whether you disagree, it’s how you express your opinions to those who disagree.

  48. Naterosboro says:

    “Really it isn’t whether you disagree, it’s how you express your opinions to those who disagree.”

    Truth.

  49. DemonDachshund says:

    @Lucky -

    Toronto fans upset with losing Snider have mentioned his strong defense, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    @JHadar -

    That’s what I was trying to get at. Just asking people to try to keep it more civil and not make the assumption that someone that disagrees with them is an idiot.

  50. JRay3 says:

    Wow interesting link put up top by DK…if those were the asking prices for Victorino and Pence, NH was right his phone would be ringing off the hook with how could you do that?

    BTW early deadline deal returns:

    Snider 3-9, 3 R’s 1 BB and 2 Pirates wins
    Victorino 0-4 1 K and 1 Dodger loss
    Pence 0-4 2 K’s and 1 Giants loss

    Also, Shierholtz who came over in the trade for Pence and was not the main piece went 2-5 with a HR, RBI, R helping the Phillies to 3-2 win over Nationals.

    Just saying.

    Nice to have off day before big Reds series while the Reds play afternoon game with SD. Still holding out hope AJ Burnett is named Sunday’s starter although I have seen Erik Bedard listed in a few places.

  51. Dan1283 says:

    Had to check in just to say I love the Wakeup Call headline today. And now I have the song stuck in my head.

    Also to say that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback and drama queen extrordinaire Ben Roethlisberger made sure to inform the world yesterday that, just in case he sucks this year, he would like everyone to know that he is going to play this year on a slightly torn rotator cuff that won’t heal, he’s learning a new offense, and his timing with his best receiver will be a little rusty.

    The king of built-in excuses strikes again while Brady, Rodgers, and Brees just shut up, play, and then talk about their injuries AFTER the season. He was let off the hook for playing like crap at the end of last year because of the ankle (and some actually blamed Wallace) and this year he’s already got something different in the chamber before the first sunset in August.

    Looking forward to hearing about “Shoulder-Gate” all season. **groan**

  52. Jandy says:

    “And Tanger still has a pointy head covered by slimy, greasy hair and is trying to make a fashion statement by wearing Samsonite on his hip. Dat’s for you Jandylicious-lady”

    I doubt your “wifelet” shares those view, buggee :P
    lol.

  53. Jandy says:

    Dan, but, Roethlisberger doesn’t think he’s a drama queen. lol
    Actually I can’t stand the man. He’s a darn good quarterback tho, so I tolerate him.
    I’m just glad I don’t have to share airspace with him. He might have *TWO* torn rotator cuffs ;)

  54. JRay3 says:

    Early numbers on Robbie Grossman and Rusy Owens now #17 and #19 rates prospects in Astros system.

    Grossman – 9 games – .286 28 AB’s 1 3B, 1 RBI, 5 BB, 9 K’s

    Owens – 2 GS, 9.1 IP, 11H, 2 HR, 7 BB, 6 K’s 7.71 ERA .314 AVG, 1.93 WHIP

  55. DemonDachshund says:

    It would appear that the Phillies’ GM is extremely low on the Pirate prospects. Or was extremely high on something.

  56. JaxBuc says:

    “Really it isn’t whether you disagree, it’s how you express your opinions to those who disagree.”

    To steal a response from Lucky’s line of work: “AMEN.”

  57. Dan1283 says:

    Really cool column today, by the way, and I mean that.

  58. LuckyNKentucky says:

    JRay,

    Thanks for those numbers on Grossman and Owens. Hope it’s a period of adjustment only for Rudy. He’ll never get called up if that continues. About on par for Robbie.

  59. RobertoForever says:

    Don’t think anyone shared this column from Jeff Passan of yahoo. Jeff thinks the Pirates were the biggest winners at the trade deadline, and he utters the words “World Series” and “Pirates” in the same sentence in earnest.

    “The Pirates are in this thing, and they announced it with aplomb as time ticked down to 4 p.m. ET on July 31, 2012, a busy, momentous day that three months from now we may look back on as the one that won a team the World Series. ”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/winners–losers-and-tweeners-from-2012-trade-deadline.html

  60. JAL says:

    Indians DFAed Derek Lowe, anyone want him? I don’t

  61. Jandy says:

    Naje, I went over and read Starkey’s column. Well worth the read…thanks for the tip.

  62. LuckyNKentucky says:

    JAL,

    No thanks. He and Bedard may be on the same bus.

  63. Mike C. says:

    Great article DK
    I was never a big Olympics fan, and I’ll admit I was one of those ppl who always chuckled when i saw race walking.
    gives one a new perspective when you get to know the actual human being a bit.

    DK, curious if you are you planning to do an article about any of the bad stuff going on in London, like the badminton fix, gymnastics or the poor Korean girl in fencing?
    I know here in S.Korea, the Fencing girl, Shin A-Lam controversy has been one of the biggest news on TV, and analyzed non-stop

  64. Mike C. says:

    I’m assuming coverage in the US is about the close race between them and China. Difficult to see most of the American athletes doing their thing.
    Here, S.Korea was sad+mad at first, but ppl are getting excited again at the country’s late gold surge.
    Wondering how popular the Olympics are back in the US, especially in Pittsburgh (with the PO bound Buccos and training camp news).
    Here, it’s huge, even over shadowing the nations favorite past-time, KBL (korean baseball league)

  65. Reading says:

    Reds already up 2-0. Come on Ohly!

  66. aglebagel says:

    @Noel-

    Heck, when I’ve lived in the Western U.S. I’ve had many friends wonder why I don’t cheer for the 76ers, since Pittsburgh doesn’t have a team. My response is always, “Why would I cheer for the Sixers?” As if I literally don’t even understand what correlation they would have made, and driving the point home that states are different in the east. They’re shocked to hear that if I wanted to cheer for the nearest NBA team, the Sixers would only be fourth on the list.

  67. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    Dejan also has a Sulia post about what the padres wanted for Headley.

    “Here’s another one that was on the table for the Pirates, one that — unlike the Philly offers — I’d have considered: The Padres’ ask for Chase Headley was three-fold: 1. A top-5 prospect. 2. Lincoln or the lottery pick. 3. Additional piece. Headley’s 28 years old, can play corner OF and is under control through 2014. Is that one you’d at least toss around for discussion? You’d keep Marte and top pitching prospects. This might be how “all in” gets defined ultimately. But no easy call”

    If this is the offseason, and Pedro has a few months to learn first base, i absolutely do this deal (assuming the top 5 pick is either Hanson or Polanco.) but no more Lincoln, and no more Lottery pick for the pirates. so no Headley next year.

  68. Noel Gallagher says:

    @Demon
    I assume you’re an Arsenal supporter?

    These transfer moves would mark quite a switch from previous years where they just give up an expensive player or two to Manchester City or another squad, with no suitable replacmeents?

  69. AJS says:

    With Marte in the Burg who are the top 5 now?

    Taillon
    Cole
    Heredia
    Hanson
    Polanco

    ???

  70. AJS says:

    Where does Bell fit in or does he currently not because he is injured?

  71. Noel Gallagher says:

    @Demon
    Got the person wrong. I apologize.

    Was meant for @naterosboro

  72. buggee says:

    “I doubt your “wifelet” shares those view, buggee
    lol.”

    Every now and then Jandy-gal, yes, even she can be wrong about something. Estrogen causes that to occur sometimes.

    Thanks for the welcome-back Dejan. Now as me momma used to tell me; “Turn da dayumed light off and stop reading those dayumed comic books and git yerself ta sleep.” Well maybe not Dejan, it’s still a bit early over there for bed-time. Have a Johnny Walker Blue Label on me sir.

    So Ben has a shoulder problem. Good job announcing it to the world Ben; you and Troy P just gave our esteemed opponents–especially the Bal’more Cravens–something to target.

    Just shuddup and play. Raise it, yinz jagoffs. (anybody named Roger here on this blog? You could have a good time with that)

  73. Jandy says:

    “Every now and then Jandy-gal, yes, even she can be wrong about something. Estrogen causes that to occur sometimes.”
    but this isn’t one of those times, buggee, sir :p

    Could be all that Tequila has YOUR perspective off just a wee tad.

  74. JHadar says:

    DK — the rave reviews on the blog convinced me to read a column that I might have ordinarily skipped simply out of having little interest in the sport, although I’ve always enjoyed the Olympic coverage of it, it goes off the radar as soon as it’s over.

    It’s always refreshing to read of people, after all athletes are indeed people, who overcome difficult circumstances and make more of themselves than others would have ever expected of them — even better when they don’t trumpet it. Your article reminded me of folks like Glenn Cunningham, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Babe Ruth and countless others that provided inspiration in their day.

    Sadly the glory seekers and spotlight stealers often get exactly what they want — sometimes at the cost of the way they, their teammates, or even their teams, are respected by others. I firmly believe that most athletes amateur and pro alike are in it because they fell in love with a game when they were kids. Too many though become full of themselves when they reach the pinnacle of the sport and we are constantly bombarded with stories of the ungrateful and unappreciative ones: salary demands, special treatment, outrageous statements, mistreated spouses, and on and on. And yes, even cover-ups of serious crime because they see themselves or what they are doing more important than simple honesty.

    So when you hear that Soriano doesn’t want to play in Pittsburgh, you don’t think “Boy that guy really must love Chicago.” Or when Appel doesn’t sign, you don’t think “My that young man is loyal to his teammates and he certainly values a good education.” You tend to want to leave the ‘r’ out of his first name.

    Besides evoking sheer admiration for Trevor Barron’s determination, the story forced me to reflect that way too often the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And that’s why it’s a, pardon the cliche, breath of fresh air.

    I also admire the writer who can make me think beyond the story. Thanks.

  75. Naterosboro says:

    @Noel Gallagher

    Any relation to Liam?! haha! but yea, last year’s buys at the deadline (Mertesacker, Arteta, Santos, Benayoun (loan), and Park) were all not in the mold of Wenger signings in recent history. Only one that was was Oxlade-Chamberlain (kid’s gonna be a star!). Went for older, experienced players. And last year’s loss of Fabregas and Nasri so close to the start of the season was a big blow (especially with Wilshere missing a whole season, and it being Ramsey’s 1st back from a season long injury). I think Arsene had seen his “youth” policy and haggling over deals backfire, and also perhaps prove to van Persie that he should do a U-turn and resign with the club.

    This year, getting our business done early, and with quality too.

    This year The Arsenal return to glory!

    Oh, also, with your handle….

    Are you a Manchester City fan? hehe

  76. Reading says:

    Reds now up 6-0 in second. Ohlendorf gone. Thanks for the assist Padres.

  77. buggee says:

    no no no Jandy-gal, no tequila for the bugster (soz about the 3rd-person reference). That’s projectile time for the bugaboo-bub

    Now Kraken, or JWBlue? Much different story. But only in moderation; I still have all my training to maintain. Gotta get ready for the Great Race (which involves chasing Letang around town swinging a 2-by-4 at his pointy head).

  78. JRay3 says:

    @ AJS – # 70…the consensus amongst top arms seems to be Cole, Tallion, Heredia, Locke. As for top position players consensus seems to be Bell, Hanson, Polanco, Sanchez.

    Reds now up 6-0, looks like we will just have to do it ourselves.

  79. buggee says:

    Maybe R. Ludwig is clubbing all those homers this year because he plays in The ‘Natti’s banbox? Just a thought.

  80. JAL says:

    Padres took 1 game in the series, that was the best we would likely get.

  81. RobertoForever says:

    Doc Emrick on live now, covering US vs UK water polo.

  82. JAL says:

    At least the reds are throwing Cueto today so he won’t pitch against the pirates this series.

  83. JAL says:

    Padres making a game of it–now down 6-4 in 4th

  84. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    6-minute mile?? That’s unbelieveable…though I do.

    OK, one section of my AF PT test is running 1.5 miles under a certain amount of time. For him, that would be 9 minutes.

    Folks, to put in in perspective, to make Special Forces units, you have to run our 1.5 miles under 10:45.

    I know many folks that run this 1.5 miles as fast as they can and they are considered the fastest ones around and they time in the high 9s.

    DK, awesome article and yes, we all get a giggle when we see power walkers doing their thing.

    I used to power run up the hill to the Movie Theatre in South Hills Village…..usually cause I did something wrong that someone was chasing me for though…….(old chinese restaurant didn’t like us hooligans much)

  85. JoeBucco says:

    Who would have known that Kip Wells and Ross Ohlendorf would be killing Pirates fans even in 2012.

    But like JAL said, no Cueto against us. We have Wandy, J-Mac and hopefully A.J. on Sunday (have to skip Bedard against the 1st place Reds, right?). Big weekend could be a good one as well.

    Too bad Ground Chuck isn’t available. That dude owned Great American.

  86. JohninOshkosh says:

    @Roberto:

    Mike Emrick could broadcast landscapers installing flower beds and Hostas and I would be tempted to watch it.

  87. JohninOshkosh says:

    Ah, the “big series” in regular season baseball. Few things like it in all of sports. Come Sunday the Pirates could be 1/2 came out or go home a seemingly distant 6.5 games out of the lead. More likely than not, one team will take 2 of 3 and gain a game. What a difference a week made for Wandy this past week. Can’t wait.

    Insufferable Reds radio team doing their best to try to whip up sell outs this weekend. Apparently, a lot of tickets available for Sunday’s contest.

  88. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Joe B.,

    Ohlendorf actually pitched well in three outings in July. He went 6,6 and 6.2 and got 2 wins, albeit against the Astros, Marlins and Rockies. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he’s gone. 2.17 million per win is a bit much for a team like the Bucs. Too bad he couldn’t pull one of those out today. He’ll be 3-2 after today with an ERA over 6 if the Reds hang on.

  89. JoeBucco says:

    @Lucky – I was just referring to killing the Buccos in that he got lit up by the Reds today when we could have used his help. I wasn’t referring to his earlier wins this month against AA teams. :)

  90. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Joe,

    I knew that. LOL. AA. That’s great. He could do his agricultural studies and still pitch in AA when he felt well enough.

  91. T.S. says:

    I like the trades DK, sans Qualls.

    Marte could end up being just as good as, if not better than, Hunter Pence. And if you look at Garrett Jones stats, he eclipses Pence’s in fewer ABs. And yes, Victorino would have been nice to have. Yet again, maybe Marte has that SB/power combo. And Snider could finally arrive as the player scouts thought he would be when Toronto drafted him. “All in” seems a little “overblown” to me. Let’s wait and see how August and September play out.

  92. JHadar says:

    Things I’d like to see:

    1) More of McKenry, less of Barajas

    2) Teach Presley or Tabata to play shortstop while they’re at Indy

    3) Put Mercer in for a decent stretch and see what he can do

    4) Sweep the Reds

    5) A Pedro hot streak commencing tomorrow night

    6) 10 runs for San Diego in the top of the 9th

    7) Denard Span — he still didn’t get traded

    8) Walker hit .300

    9) Correia for Bedard

    10) World Series Box Seats with my name on them

  93. LuckyNKentucky says:

    All the tweets DK and 24/7 have about trade offers considered, I’m glad Neal didn’t push the button on any of them. Even Headley. Everyone wanted too much. We’re 3.5 out with what we have and we got better. Prospects are prospects until they make it, but we’re better in our system for not making those deals and better on the big club.

  94. JHadar says:

    Unintentional Smiley !!!! it should have been eight. I love automation.

  95. LuckyNKentucky says:

    JH,

    I know you’re funnin’ about Presley and Tabby because Presley is left-handed and Tabby would have to have a ball hit right at him to field anything at short, but the rest of your list sounds great.

  96. Jeff says:

    I love being a Pittsburgher on the road — in Kuala Lumpur I went to a Steelers preseason game at a bar at a very weird hour and there were Steeler Pennants on the wall; no other team of any type displayed. The owner loved the Steel Curtain days and still does and Astro satellite has the NFL. Seeing a bunch of Steeler fans there from many different countries was very cool. One guy worked in PGH for Gulf Oil back in the day and still in the oil bidness all the way out there. For some reason Aussies in Perth like us, maybe from the Alcoa people there. Oh yeah, we are called “American Football” not to be confused with the names for soccer, rugby and aussie rules football. I can’t keep it straight.

    (Even though I’ve lived 12 years in TX, I am still a Pittsburgher. If asked where I’m from, it’s Pittsburgh. If asked where I live, it’s Houston, but I’m from Pittsburgh.)

    Go Trevor!

  97. JHadar says:

    Lucky –

    Just forgetful on Presley — shows how badly I’d like to see that situation solved though.

    Tabata’s problems seem to be mental/emotional, not athletic.

    Remember they made a second baseman out of Walker, and he started out as a catcher. Who was blocking him, Kendall?

  98. LuckyNKentucky says:

    JH,

    Great points.

  99. RobertoForever says:

    @JohninOshkosh

    Agreed. Unfortunately, Pierre McGuire followed him to London! And he is just as insufferable trying to talk about Water Polo like he is an insider. Goodness how I hate Pierre McGuire.

  100. Noel Gallagher says:

    @Naterosboro
    I am a City fan.
    I say that sheepishly, as I am a Pirates fan, and City is obviously the anti-Pirates.
    I loved a bunch of Manchester music forever, and there was no way I could be a United fan, when I started really enjoying futball a few years back.

  101. RobertoForever says:

    Has anyone heard about the Reds minor league system being considered the best? Have some Reds fans who insist on this. Haven’t heard it at all.

  102. Stickyweb says:

    @JHadar #98

    If I remember correctly, Walker was actuall blocked by Ronnie Paulino! HA! Amazing, huh? So he was moved to 3B. Then they drafted Pedro and he was moved to 2B. I’m pretty sure he had almost no experience at 2B when they promoted him to majors and stuck him there. Maybe 100 games or so in minors? Funny how things work out

  103. Stickyweb says:

    @Roberto #102

    minorleagueball.com from Jan. has them:

    21) Cincinnati Reds: Heart of this system torn out by Mat Latos trade but there is enough at the lower levels that I think they can recharge quickly.

    fangraphs.com from March has them:

    18. Cincinnati Reds
    Top 2011 Draft Pick: Robert Stephenson, RHP
    Top 2012 Prospect: Devin Mesoraco, C
    Org Strengths: Infield depth
    Org Weaknesses: Advanced pitching
    Top Scout: Tony Arias, responsible for Yonder Alonso (now with San Diego), J.C. Sulbaran, Neftali Soto, Henry Rodriguez, Yorman Rodriguez, Gabriel Rosa, Juan Duran, and David Vidal.

    BA from March has them 16 (I don’t subscribe so no details for you there)

    So looks about average unless they dominated in the draft, which I don’t think they did.

  104. Karen22 says:

    Just got home last night after a week in Florida & missed all the furor, so I don’t know what I think yet about the trades. I DO, however, have a good pal who has zero degrees of separation between herself (immediate family) and the Toronto Blue Jays. Her email to me says simply: “You just got my FAVE (Travis Snider)…” And apparently most Jays’ fans are very upset over Snider’s departure. So—OK! (Will miss Brad Lincoln, however).

    Just LOVE your article, Dejan—ahhhh, the Olympic spirit warms the heart. Trevor Barron already sounds like a winner!

    GOOOOOO BUCS!!

  105. JHadar says:

    Stickyweb

    I believe you’re right. Paulino got off to a pretty good start before he turned into Joggin’ Ronny to our great disappointment.

  106. RobertoForever says:

    @Sticky

    Thanks for the info!

  107. Thundercrack says:

    DK,
    You obviously believe your sources and the details of the demands of the Phillies to the Pirates at the trade deadline.

    #1. You do agree that those prices were way too high to pay for Pence and Victorino, right?

    #2. And do you blame the Pirate FO for not being “all in” regarding those 2 players?

    If the answers are Yes to #1 and No to #2, will your write that in an upcoming column or blog post?

    DK: Just checking here, but did you read the Chase Headley post, too? Or just cherrypicking?

  108. Thundercrack says:

    No. I missed that one. I just read the ones that Mark Madden mentioned on the radio today.

    Can you provide a link to the Chase Headley post?

  109. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Sulia, TC.

  110. Thundercrack says:

    But before I posted that (#108), I did go back and re-read the column that you wrote after the deadline: Kovacevic: Pirates’ front office not ‘all in’ (07/31/12)

    In that column you mentioned Pence and Victorino. But not Headley.

  111. Thundercrack says:

    1. A top-5 prospect. 2. Lincoln or the lottery pick. 3. Additional piece.

    I would consider it for Headley, but if you keep Marte and the pitching prospects who does that leave as a top-5 prospect? I would have traded the lottery pick instead of Lincoln. And of course, it would help to know what the additional piece was.

    But I still wonder if Headley is that much of an impact / all-in player.

    DK: Although a lot of people elected to view it this way, I didn’t cite Pence and Victorino as the only bats the Pirates could have acquired. They were examples of players who had changed hands and, thus, players for whom one could credibly acclaim were legitimately available.

    There were several bats shopped, albeit with varying degrees of reasonable prices. Most prices were prohibitively high. Not all.

    And honestly, TC, I can do without the snide stuff. If you have an issue with how I work to arrive at my viewpoints, at how I go independently to try to accumulate as much information as possible, just say so. But if you have this reflex that snaps up every time the Pirates’ front office is concerned, say that, too.

    The pattern’s deeply ingrained.

  112. JohninOshkosh says:

    I don’t know if there is such a thing as an Olympic HOF, but if there is, I think Mike Krzyzewski deserves immediate induction. Amazing how he has that group of egos prepared for these group games. Makes incredible adjustments, has the team motivated for patently inferior competition and has the players conduct themselves in an unselfish and honorable manner.

    Carmelo Anthony is an incredible international player, by the way.

  113. JohninOshkosh says:

    Men’s Team USA Basketball drops 49 points in the first quarter.

    49 points in 10 minutes.

    196 point pace for the game.

    Unbelievable!

  114. JRay3 says:

    So it would have taken one from this grouping of players -Cole, Tallion, Heredia, Hanson, Bell (which would be one of our top 5 prospects), Lincoln or pick, and another piece for Chase Headly who has not played OF since 2009.

    I still think way too much especially with a position switch involved as well.

  115. stickyweb says:

    I think what is being reported as the asking price for Headley, Pence and Victorino was way too much and I’m happy with what we ended up getting for what we gave up.

    That said, there is a serious disconnect between what was being asked for and what the Phillies settled for both OFs. So what happened? Did NH just give up after the first demands? Did Philly GM get offended by how NH said no and stop taking calls from him? It’s weird that a middle ground couldn’t be found when you see what little Philly got for Pence. But if an OF was a requirement as reported (since they were trading away 2/3 of theirs) maybe they didn’t like Elvis or Tabata enough. Just a theory.

  116. Thundercrack says:

    DK, Sorry for the snideness. Don’t really want to debate you regarding snideness, patterns and reflexes.

    I do appreciate your work and how you accumulate information – and how much you accumulate. If I was a columnist that had a daily blog, and I wrote that the Pirates should have made a stronger play for Victorino or Pence and be ‘all in’, then find out 2 days later what the asking price actually was. I would write in my blog “Boy was I wrong about trading for those two players. And I wouldn’t have gone all-in with those 2 players”. And I am not being snide here. That’s what I would do.

    Now all that aside, will you answer my two questions from above? I want your opinion.

    DK: For the second time, the column wasn’t about Victorino and Pence. They were players who exchanged hands that day. They were examples.

    Here is the sequence you’re referring to:
    _____

    There were no hitters in that mold anywhere?

    People will point to players who changed hands Tuesday as evidence that prices were too high. Philadelphia traded two corner outfielders, Shane Victorino to the Dodgers and Hunter Pence to the Giants. Both would have looked terrific in black and gold. And the cost wasn’t prohibitive, a reliever and minor league pitcher for Victorino, a spare outfielder and minor league catcher for Pence. Zero elite prospects involved.

    Did Huntington go in with a bold enough approach?
    _____

    Which part of that doesn’t apply?

    They were examples. The column wasn’t about THE PIRATES SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN PENCE AND VICTORINO. If I wanted to write that, I would have written that. They were examples of players who changed hands, along with the prices involved. It happens that, for whatever reasons, the Dodgers and Giants, got them for cheaper. Maybe they bargained harder. Maybe they were more persisent. Or maybe there just wasn’t a match with Pittsburgh.

    Nothing, nothing, nothing about the new information changes the basis for the column, though I notice you keep bypassing the Headley info, which confirms my thought that you were cherrypicking.

  117. stickyweb says:

    Jray

    Can you imagine the outcry if NH got Headley and he played RF like JHay? 3 years is a long time away from a position. Though I guess we could put him at 3B, Pedro to 1B and GI Jones in RF in the middle of a pennant chase. Lol

  118. Thundercrack says:

    sticky,
    I wonder if after the Pirates traded some of their chips in the Wandy trade, and then the comp draft pick, if the Phillies had no better offers and had to settle.

    I don’t know much about the players that they got from the Giants, but I wonder why they didn’t just hold on to Pence.

  119. Naje says:

    TC…
    Here’s a thought: Pence is in a decline… and the Phillies have a ton of payroll tied up in cornerstone pieces of the team… and Pence isn’t one of them. And Pence is ridiculously overpaid. Him, for that price, comes with a giant buyer beware tag. Victorino, for two months and the prospects? Fugettaboutit…

    The Headley deal I may give more thoughtful consideration. That’s it… and no one, NO ONE knew the stakes before the trade deadline. Yeah, all-in… I hear ya.

  120. JRay3 says:

    @stickyweb – Interesting take in post #116….and yes there would have been a large outcry, I am not sure Headley was a great fit for this team with the pieces we already have, although I do like his bat a lot.

    @Thundercrack – The Phillies received Nate Shierholtz who is hitting .256 with 6 HR and a .323 OBP in 180 AB’s (if only Tabata could produce those numbers), the main piece was a big bat catcher Tommy Joseph who is now listed as the # 4 prospect in the Phillies organization and has an estimated time to be in the majors of 2014.

    Early deadline returns:

    Hunter Pence now 0-6 1 RBI (SF) and 2 Giants losses since trade.

  121. Thundercrack says:

    I thought I addressed the Headley info in post #112.

    And I was not cherry picking. I’ll say it again with more detail, while driving home I heard Mark Madden mention your tweets about what the Phillies wanted from the Pirates. He didn’t mention any regarding Headley. So when I got home I looked them up…and didn’t notice the tweet about Headley. I’ll try to do a better job and read everything you write: columns, blogs, tweets, sulia.

    DK: Ha! That’s a deal.

  122. Drew71 says:

    Dejan – You said “just say so” to Thunder? The one guy on here who regularly challenges your opinions in a way that is usually very direct and yet not rude? Who is less snide than folks like, ummm, well, me? I would think you would welcome the debates, even the disagreements, from a guy of his convictions, who is willing to go on the record re his disagreements more than any of us. Even if he IS so often Colonel-Klink-wrong.

  123. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Drew,

    Colonel Klink? YOU got me on that one.

  124. There is always a difference between what is asked for and what actually transpires in a trade. That’s what “negotiations” are all about!

    The Giants ended up getting Pence for Alex Presley (John Shierholtz) and Tony Sanchez (Tommy Joseph, a AA non-Top 100 prospect). Tony Sanchez was a former Top 75 Prospect. Pirates could substitute Tabata for Presley if Phils wanted.

    Seems like BMTIB might have had room to wiggle there instead of crying, “The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The Phillies insist on our Top 5 prospects!”

    Why did the Phillies finally give Pence to the Giants for LESS than their so-called demands?

  125. LuckyNKentucky says:

    That Headley asking price was interesting, but I still wouldn’t have pulled the trigger. Pedro is adequate, if not spectacular at 3rd. Snider will be OK in right if he plays every day and I’d rather have Jones or Sanchez at first than Headley. Like Sticky said above, Headley would be JHay in right and we have Jones to do that if we want it.

  126. LuckyNKentucky says:

    The Stephen Drew thing that Rob mentioned-for two mid to low-level minor leaguers would have been interesting, since it wouldn’t be any of the big 3. But he was under .200 for a while, too. Can’t pay 2 shortstops around the Mendoza line. Is his glove better than Barmes’s?

  127. Naje says:

    Groat–
    The Phillies gave the Giants Pence because the Giants have money to blow on an overpaid, over-valued, on the downside of a career guy like Pence.

    PBC was not going to pay a boatload of money for a guy whose best days are behind him. If they only had to pay, say, $5M for him, maybe they pull the trigger.

    It’s so easy to second and third guess this stuff… especially with an easy target like Huntington; who, by the way, has helped put this dead-in-the-water franchise in contention in less than five years AND on a budget that is in the bottom 6th in all of MLB.

  128. JohninOshkosh says:

    Nerds, gotta love em:

    http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2012/08/yankees-facebook-page-was-hacked-today.html

    I like the comment on Deadspin. “Yeah, the Mets Twitter account was hacked. They reported that Jason Bay hit a home run… ” Teh he he he…

  129. RobertoForever says:

    Groat

    Maybe both things are true. Earlier in the week their asking price was too high. The Phillies overplayed their hand. Then when the Bucs made their other deals and dropped out of the bidding, the Phillies panicked, and took whatever they could get so they could still get salary relief from Pence’s deal.

    Also, if Presley had an OBP of .321 like Nate Schierholtz, he would not be in Triple-A.
    And as much as I like Tony Sanchez, the C prospect that the Phillies got is better than Sanchez.

  130. Drew71 says:

    Luckster, I also think they should have gone after Drew.

    I bet he’s snide too.

  131. Thundercrack says:

    Jim Duquette said on MLB XM today that the Giants GM (Sabean) had to go to ownership and ask for them to expand the budget so he could get Pence.

    I’ve heard that catching prospect that the Phils got from the Giants does have a good bat, but they wonder if he’ll stay at catcher.

    DK: Boy, that first sentence of your up there sure would serve up red meat to one extreme of the Pirates’ fan base.

  132. Thundercrack says:

    I would like to retract that sentence. It goes against my snidely reflexes. :-)

    Based on the conversation they were having I don’t if Duquette knew that for certain. He or the cohost then asked “Well why didn’t he go to the owners about Beltran”

    My thought to that was that Beltran would have required a multi-year commitment. Pence only a year and a half, right?

  133. DemonDachshund says:

    Not going to argue with the overpaid and overvalued parts, but to say Pence is on the down side of his career because of 4 “rough” months is a pretty bold prediction.

    The Bucs were not going to pay Pence $12-$15M next year, even if they were willing to give up the prospects. Since Philly was largely motivated to get under the luxury tax cap, they weren’t going to help chip in. The deal was never going to happen.

    Not suggesting the old “Nutting’s too cheap!” line here either. Hunter Pence is simply not good enough to tie up roughly 20% of your payroll.

  134. The Gunner says:

    There are sure a lot of Monday morning QBs on this blog today second guessing the BMTIB. I really like the one comment about making Presley or my favorite slacker Scabata into a SS. Elvis & Joggin Joe better try something else because it is looking like they are pretty much blocked in Pittsburgh.

    What about this Cincinnati team; are they that good or what? I don’t think so. The Bucs have to set the tone quickly tomorrow night and take the 1st game.

    Wandy – GO STRAP IT ON THOSE DAMN REDS!!!!!

  135. Drew71 says:

    Dejan just called.

    He said I got it all wrong.

    Thunder is Sgt. Schultz.

  136. Drew71 says:

    Jandy is Helga.

    I’m sure of that. I’m sure of that.

  137. Lawnbeaver says:

    I don’t see Headley as a real impact bat, his #’s are not that impressive (even his road #s.)

    Any word anywhere who Dbacks were asking for for Stephen Drew? I would have loved to upgrade our production from SS. Barmes is like bamboo shoots under my nails.

  138. JRay3 says:

    Pirates make it official- AJ Burnett to pitch Sunday versus Reds with Bedard moved back a day. Smart move by Clint definitely shows we are taking this series seriously.

    Wandy, J-Mac and AJ a nice three to take your chances with.

  139. Drew71 says:

    Thanks, JR.

    Tho I wish they had picked up an enforcer at the deadline.

    Didnt have to be a good skater.

    Just someone who could drop his gloves in Cincinnati.

  140. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    It’s times like this Reds series I really miss Dock Ellis. There was nobody like The Dock. He was a Pirate through and through, even demanded the Mets trade him to Pittsburgh when he decided to retire so that he could end his career in a Pirate uniform – which he did in September 1979 (but he didn’t make the playoff roster because he wasn’t on the team before August 31)

    From Dock’s wikipedia page (which I encourage all to check out, now it even has a sharp picture of him from early in his career with Pirates –

    ’1973 –
    Ellis attempted to hit every batter in the Cincinnati Reds lineup on May 1, 1974, as he was angry that the Pirates were intimidated by the Big Red Machine. Ellis admired Pete Rose, and was concerned about how he’d respond, but decided to do it regardless. Ellis hit Rose, Joe Morgan, and Dan Driessen in the top of the first inning.

    Cleanup batter Tony Perez avoided Ellis’s attempts—instead, drawing a walk; Ellis’ first pitch to Perez was thrown behind him and over his head. Ellis threw two pitches that he aimed at the head of Johnny Bench, at which point Ellis was removed from the game by manager Danny Murtaugh. Ellis’s box score for the game reads as follows: 0 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K. Ellis tied eight other players for the MLB record with the three hit batsmen in the inning’.

    Would sure love to have a guy like him on the team right now.

  141. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Please be sure that I don’t advocate hitting batters in the head, or even hitting them at all, but the part about not being intimidated by the Reds and walking that talk is what I like.

  142. RobertoForever says:

    Let’s hope Wandy takes it to the Reds at GABP as he’d did early this season.

    Would love to get a win to start off the series.

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