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Final: Reds 3, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

(Really) looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (60-44) vs. Cincinnati Reds (64-41)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Cincinnati RHP Mat Latos

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Travis Snider, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Wandy Rodriguez, LHP


  1. RobertoForever says:

    Here’s hoping that Wandy mows em down and Cutch-Jones-Walker is a murder’s row.


  2. RobertoForever says:

    *murderer’s row.

  3. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Tonight’s OVER / UNDER (always for fun of course)

    Please specify which line you are (fake) wagering on.

    LINE #1
    Total Innings Pitched by Wandy Rodriguez in Tonight’s Game
    Line is 6.25
    (He must record 1 out in the 7th inning in order for the OVER to win, anything less the UNDER will win)

    LINE #2
    Total Combined Strikeouts Thrown by Jason Grilli + Joel Hanrahan This Weekend vs. Reds
    Line is 4.5

    LINE #3
    Total Pirates Wins This Weekend vs. Reds
    Line is 1.5


    JRay3 ** 1575
    Mlrgenuine ** 1450
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 1400
    radio wave ** 1315
    Nate83 ** 1240
    pattonbb ** 1100
    Chico ** 1080
    crkkid ** 1025
    RobertoForever ** 870
    DemonDachshund ** 810
    dcpinpgh ** 750
    Bizrow ** 745
    Slack Boss ** 735
    Mike C. ** 650
    manny_sanguine ** 650
    cosmo ** 600
    stuart66 ** 505
    Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle ** 500
    JohninOshkosh ** 450
    Curt ** 400
    Steve J Smith ** 400
    JD ** 375
    dcpfjr ** 350
    cmat0829 ** 350
    JMB ** 350
    JaxBuc ** 325
    Evan ** 303
    Absolute59 ** 300
    Arriba Wilver ** 280
    Naje ** 250
    MarkV ** 225
    likeabugonarug ** 207
    jeffsbar ** 200
    Hal Smith ** 200
    Bucco_Jax ** 199
    Officer Mancuso ** 180
    Milo Hamilton ** 125
    milo66 ** 100
    lckythump ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    JUCOfan ** 25
    tmp444 ** 5
    Karen22 ** 0
    swissvaletoarizonapat ** 0
    NMR ** 0
    Dan1283 ** 0
    Drew 71 ** 0
    buggee ** 0
    Kevin ** 0
    lawnbeaver ** -50
    Pants-n-at ** -50
    TK ** -100
    Petro Steel ** -100
    Joe Bucco ** -100
    K. PenFan ** -100
    Rocco ** -100
    OZ ** -150
    McG ** -200
    bman ** -265
    GlassHalfFull ** -305
    Stickyweb ** -325
    Boise Bucco ** -400
    Kevin S ** -500
    bob hasis ** -500
    TDB1977 ** -1040

  4. JMB says:

    LINE #1 — 100 on UNDER

    LINE #2 — 100 on the OVER

    LINE #3 — 100 on the UNDER

    Thank you!

  5. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    1. 100 UNDER

    2. 100 UNDER

    3. 100 OVER

    Tough lines Playoffs……………

    JRay-I’m coming to get ya!!

  6. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Well, looks like I missed some healthy discussions yesterday……I hate when work and life gets in the way………..

  7. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    OK question…..

    Is somebody in here setting up a fantasy football league that sent me join request??

    Its cool, but I have no idea who the name was

  8. Bizrow says:

    @Ryan, I’ll set one up too, yahoo


    I gotta go OVAH for 100 nuggets on all three lines.

    Line 1 and 3 are wishes though, well, come to think of it, so is line 2, if we don’t have leads, Hanny and Grilledcheese probably spend the weekend picking splinters out of their keisters

    BEAT EM BUCS – just like 60….

  9. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    DK: Here’s more, guys, on the Pirates’ trade asks and offers:

  10. Bucco_Jax says:


    1. 100 UNDER
    2. 100 OVER
    3. 100 OVER

  11. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Gee thanks, now I can get my butt kicked in football too..

    Ha! Baseball kills me, for some reason.

  12. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    We’ll have the lead though……Its ok.

  13. JMB says:

    Good trade info DK.

    Based on all of the scenarios that you’ve presented, I guess NH did o.k..

    Headley’s value is at 3B, and El Toro is doing fine there. Span & Choo’s GM’s are smokin’ crack if they thought either of those deals were possible.

    But we could have waited out the Phils like SF did for Pence. The package that SF sent was nowhere near what the original ask entailed.

    Time will tell.

    I read KLaw’s chat from yesterday. He is still exceedingly “bearish” on Snider.

    Personally, I’m bearish on Snider, Wandy, and Gaby, but I’m bullish on Cutch, Walker, and Marte. So we’ll see what happens this weekend.

  14. JaxBuc says:

    Well, there aren’t any mistake lines in this bunch (like 4.5 hits for Snider).

    I’m going ALL IN (oops, sorry, overused phrase penance will be offered)

    100 on the OVER for ALL THREE LINES

    wow, this ALL CAPS stuff is fun

  15. cosmo says:

    The deadline is gone. From what DK is reporting the other teams were looking for way to much in return. Let’s give our new guys a chance. We may be pleasantly surprised or utterly disappointed. At least he didn’t trade away the farm and there are still pieces available to come up in the near future.

  16. bobhasis says:

    Just a word of profound congratulations to Gabby Douglas, the American gymnast. I have never seen anyone get themself into the body position doing that balance beam routine (in this case routine is far from accurate) that she was able to achieve. When the word extreme is used, it truly applies here. One half inch more and she will snap in two places.

    Most incredible bit of photography

    I will await the replay since I missed the live showing.

    There you have the essence of World Class Athleticism and Achievement. WOW!!! The Olympics were created for such displays.

  17. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Ridiculous asking prices. It’s great Neal was able to do what he did. I still think it was a lot for Wandy, but may prove not in the long run.


    Gabby gave the glory to God, also. They’ll probably label her a female Tebow for that. I don’t think that’ll bother her though.

  18. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – Good to see you in here! What a big series this weekend should be a lot of fun. Ok on to your lines:

    Looking a line 1 and you see Wandy has gone over that number in 10 of his 23 starts this season. But a recent trend can be quickly spotted as he was under the number 9 times in his 12 June/July starts and has not pitched 6.1 innings in five straight starts. Against the Reds this season he has started three times going 5, 6, 6 innings.

    Line 1 – Taking the numbers here and will go 100 on the UNDER.

    Line 2 – Bucs will have to be in games late for this happen and I believe…give me 100 on the OVER

    Line 3- I dream for the Bucs to get a sweep that would be quite the statement…don’t see that but we do get to throw our 3 best pitchers in this series against a squad missing Votto and possibly Phillips. Have to think we can get 2 out of 3.

    I will take 100 on the OVER!

  19. cosmo says:

    @ Palyoffs

    Tricky lines. do you go on instinct or go with your wishes, anyway here goes.
    Line 1- Wandy has done well against the Reds in his career for the most part. I think he pitches with better command tonight and goes 7 strong.
    So on line 1 100 on the over.

    Line 2 I don’t think any games are going to of the blowout variety, again hoping we are in position to win in late innings , Let’s go 100 on the over.

    Line 3 – here’s to having faith in our starting pitchers. 100 on the over.

    thanks as always

  20. JRay3 says:

    @ DK – Even though we have had different opinions on how the team did at the deadline, as well as on potentially consummating a Headley deal, I just want to say thanks for the research you have been putting in on the Pirates. This trade deadline information provides a much better perspective. Overseas and providing valuable insight it is much appreciated!

  21. jeffsbar says:


    Line 1 – 100 on the OVER
    Line 2 – 100 on the OVER
    Line 3 – 100 on the OVER

  22. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    Just kind of curious what kind of sources these proposed deals are from.

    Front office types? some kind of insiders? is it usual for all of these proposed deals to have been leaked like this?

    all i know is that the lincoln – snider deal is looking better and better.

  23. radio wave says:

    at playoffs:
    I was stupid on my fake bet Wednesday.
    As I’m writing this, I’m undecided about line 1.
    Let me play 75 over on line 1.
    I’ll do 75 over on line 2.
    And finally, 100 over line 3.
    Anything less than 2 wins for the team is a lost weekend.
    Hurdle can try and downplay this series, but they can’t lose all 3 and go 61/2 behind.
    I hope the pitching change for Sunday doesn’t bite them in the butt.
    McDonald has to get back on track, his is the pivotal game.

  24. bobhasis says:

    Lucky, they (the losers) are continually becoming outnumbered. Did you ever hear The Fort being interviewed; his final words are always, “Thank you and God Bless you”.

    Oh wait a minute, that’s right, she didn’t do that by herself – there was Divine Intervention.

    It won’t bother her anymore than it does Tebow, whose sole purpose and I’m sure her’s is unchangeable.

  25. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    This series is a big test for the team. However, if they get swept, its not the end of the world. NOBODY wants to see that happen, obviously, but the Reds will stumble at some point in the future and the Buccos will have to jump on their mistakes.

    One game at a time boys……..

    Starting with Wandy today.

  26. Bizrow says:

    Nats pick up Kurt Suzuki – so the trades continue

  27. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I would hate to be compared to Tebow………..he’s a terrible person to be compared too.

    I’m kidding of course.

  28. Bizrow says:

    Crap, work blocks twitter, will have to wait till I get home, am pretty curious, might even do it before I crack open the Trib….

  29. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I knew that about the Fort. He’s a heckuva guy whether he hits any more HR’s or stays at .273 or not. Cutch, also. Comes from a good family. Walker, too. New Brave Paul Maholm and Daniel McCutchen are a couple more that come to mind and I’m sure there are more. Many on the Steelers, also.

  30. JRay3 says:

    Don’t know if anybody saw this but Jose Tabata went 4-6 with a 2B and 4 RBI’s last night and is now hitting .310. If only he could become a .300 hitter again up with the big club.

  31. Stickyweb says:

    @ Playoffs

    Lets keep things simple 100 each on all 3 lines.

    NMR, Drew71, buggee and everybody else at an even -0-, I’m coming to get you.

  32. RobertoForever says:


    Great lines tonight, dividing the wheat from the chaff.

    line 1 – Wandy gives solid effort, but it ends in the 6th inning. 75 on the UNDER

    line 2 – I think Grilli and the Hammer get into 2 games, so I will go over with 50 fake units.

    line 3 – I think this is a tough series, but I am a believer, so give me 40 on the OVER.

    Sweep the Commies!

  33. RobertoForever says:


    Don’t forget to indicate OVER or UNDER

  34. RobertoForever says:

    I am not sure if the FO went ALL IN, but I think they went 99% in.

    Also, how can CH get a pass on saying “ALL IN” if he is playing Barmes, right?

  35. Stickyweb says:

    I was hoping to do that Sunday evening, but if you need it now, 100 each on OVER for all 3 lines. Sorry playoffs.

  36. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Saw that last night. I wondered if he was coming around or the pitching was lousy. Maybe a little of both since he got up six times. But it was the Yankees.

  37. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs –
    Line 1 – 100 UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 OVER
    Line 3 – 100 UNDER

    Hope I lose 2 of these.

  38. The Gunner says:

    @ JRay3 – 30

    Sounds like it is time to bring the loafer up, I guess

  39. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Yeah, and if only Tabata could stop dogging it and learn to run all out on the bases and not be practically passed up on the bases by McCutchen after he hits a 3 run homerun. And if only he could have more stolen bases than caught stealings. And if only he could not kill every rally we have going by popping up or lining out into a double play…

    No thank you, it will take a lot more than his first 4 hit game in years to make me want that guy anywhere near the major league team.

  40. Chico says:

    Playoffs —

    Good lines…

    Line 1: 75 on the over. I think Wandy really starts to show his stuff tonight.
    Line 2: 50 on the under. Just too hard to predict.
    Line 3: 75 on the over. I think they’ll underestimate us and the Bucs will be ready to go. I guarantee they haven’t been watching our games in their locker room like our guys have been watching theirs…

  41. Thundercrack says:


    Thank you for providing that info. (#9)

    The asking prices for those players was just plain crazy.

    DK: But not Headley.

  42. The Gunner says:

    @ Pig Legs Robinson – 39

    You are right on the money about Scabata. The Bucs outfield picture has been upgraded since he was demoted.

    What they need to try to do now is strengthen their starting pitching……..the hell with Scabata.

  43. lawnbeaver says:


    I like your Barmes line in #34. Barmes is killing me and Speaking of Barmes, I read that the DBacks wanted 2 low minors prospects for Stephen Drew. I think NH should have definitely jumped on that one.

  44. lawnbeaver says:

    @ playoffs

    Line 1 UNDER
    Line 2 OVER
    Line 3 OVER


  45. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I’d be interested to hear Roberto’s take on Tabata, since he’s kind of the defender of the downtrodden (Ex. Barmes). Can’t remember him ever weighing in on Jose.

  46. NMR says:

    Great work by Dejan. Truly impressive connections.

    I’m of the opinion that this news shouldn’t change ones opinion of the trade deadlines, though. And I have a feeling that’s why Dejan hasn’t taken back his criticism despite truly one-sided trade info.

    All in means all in. Not only when the deal is fair. If you believe in this all in attitude, you’re saying you make the trade no matter how bad it is. The pirates had the players to do it, but made the decision not to.

    I feel like other GM’s tested Huntington, especially Amaro. NH was under immense pressure from fans. He was set up perfectly to overpay. I give him credit for holding his line.

  47. bobhasis says:

    Lucky, I believe 99% of the Latin players, irrespective of their native country, give “all praise and Glory to God”, with their hand gestures after a very simple yet valued accomplishment.
    Albert Pujols is also among those with unmistakeable values.

    What a pleasure to behold!

  48. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Couldn’t agree with you more.

  49. bobhasis says:


    Yes that’s true and one of them should have been Barmes

  50. AJS says:

    I think it is interesting to have Snider hitting second. He doesn’t seem like the typical contact type guy you would want in the 2 hole. At the same time he probably shouldn’t be hitting in the 5 hole either, at least not yet.

    Problem is I’d much rather see Walker in the 2 hole than the 5. He’s the guy that gets on so that Cutch has an opportunity to drive in some runs. Maybe take the bold step of moving Pedro into the 5 slot and hit Snider 6? But the way Pedro has been hitting as of late I dunno about that either. here’s a bold step, hit Fort 5th. It looks more and more like he will start most games that Burnett doesn’t pitch…though JMac prefers Barajas as well.

  51. bobhasis says:


    I would like 50 ea on the OVER for Lines 1 & 3.

    Line 2 presumes so many things such as close games, us leading, and whether they can go three days in a row.

    Having made my case – possibly – I’m going OVER on Line 2 for 100.

  52. stuart66 says:

    Playoffs, Give me 75 bananas each on the over for numbers one and three. I would rather not bet on number 2. Too many variables on that one for me. Keep up the good work.

  53. Thundercrack says:

    I’m having a little trouble following you NMR.

    You are saying that you give NH credit for not giving in to Ruben Amaro and his demands.

    But are you saying that if NH had stepped to the podium and said “We are all in! I have just traded Cole or Tailon, another top 10 pick and another piece to the Indians for Shin Soo Choo” you would have been alright with that?

  54. NMR says:


    Me, no, I wouldn’t have given him credit, because I was against the “all in” mentality.

    The definition of all in is risking all your chips. No holding back.

    In my mind, you either truly believe in that strategy or don’t. Doesn’t matter what the price is.

  55. Thundercrack says:

    I see now. And I agree with you….I was against the “all in” mentality. And the mentality that you never know when the next time you’ll be in this position again so you have to do SOMETHING big.

    Thanks for clarifying your opinion, and for not accusing me of ‘cherry picking’

  56. cmat0829 says:

    Playoffs!!! Good lines, all….

    1. Tempted to go OVER and be bullish on Wandy, but GABP is a tough place to pitch and I could see Clint wanting to turn over a lead to the bullpen.

    2. Gotta go over on that one, don’t we? I could see each pitching 2 games and that’s 12 chances for Ks…..

    3. How can we be Buccos Fans and not go OVER on taking the series???

    Officially, 100 FUs on each of:

    1. UNDER
    2. OVER

    3. OVER

    Muchas gracias

  57. RobertoForever says:


    I agree with DK on Tabata.

  58. crkkid says:

    @ Playoffs

    Let me get 100 units on the over for all three props.


  59. RobertoForever says:


    I wonder where Neil likes to hit? Maybe he prefers hitting 5th rather than 2nd. I would guess that Clint would defer to the team’s 2nd best hitter.

    Also, Neil hits MUCH better in the 5 spot than the 2 spot, with a lot of sample size to compare this year. BA 339 vs 279 and OPS .911 vs .822. Strangely, Neil has 8 of his HR’s in the 2 spot and only 3 HR’s in the 5 spot. But the OPS is still almost 100 pts behind, batting in the 2 spot.

  60. JRay3 says:

    Tonight’s Reds Lineup:

    Cozart 6, Stubbs 8, Ludwick 7, Rolen 5, Frazier 3, Heisey 9, Cairo 4, Hanigan 2, Latos 1

    Been a while since the Reds have fielded a lineup with no Votto, Phillips, and Bruce, let’s hope we can take advantage!

  61. NMR says:

    No problem, TC.

    To be fair, I’ve been critical of moves the front office has made seemingly out of stubborness like losing Matt Capps and Sano for a matter of a few hundred thousand bucks. Those were situations where holding the company line surely was a mistake.

    This trade deadline, though, I feel is a case where it will pay off.

  62. bobhasis says:

    You can write this down; the key tonight will be Walker. As he goes so will we.

    If in the eighth/ninth inning, and we are posing a threat, after Cutch bats we will see Chapman to face Jones, a turned around Walker to his weaker side and Pedro.

    Hope it doesn’t happen!!!

  63. NMR says:


    I’m with you on Walker. Love seeing him hit 5th.

    Gotta disagree on Pedro, though.

    He’s hit for a slash line of 293/356/390 over the last two weeks and 240/296/467 over the last month. I’m thrilled with that kind of consistency after last year.

  64. Arriba Wilver says:

    Line #1. 50 on the Under
    Line #2. 50 on the Over
    Line #3. 50 on the Over


  65. Thundercrack says:

    Is Jay Bruce hurt too?

  66. bobhasis says:

    @JRay3 #60

    Wonder why no Phillips? Stubbs can be had with Wandy’s down and in curve/slider. He is prone to a K or two.

  67. Kevin says:

    Playoffs –

    Line 1: 100 on the UNDER

    Line 2: 100 on the OVER

    Please, and thank you.

  68. Boise Bucco says:


    Line #1 100 UNDER
    Line #2 100 OVER
    LINE #3 100 OVER

    As it turns out, my boss is fine with me skating out of work 2 hours early to watch the Pirate game…on a deployment…he knows this is serious business.


  69. NMR says:

    Why not target Headley in the off season?

    I know nobody cares about team chemistry and defense, but I think bringing Headley in and either switching his or Pedros position is too risky mid season.

    I don’t think his overall asking price was too much, though.

  70. Matthew says:

    Is anyone surprised Cleveland asked for the world for Choo for 1 year and 2+ months? There’s probably several scenarios proposed in these kind of talks.

    Cole being the centerpiece is something they could have worked with. Remember there’s pressure on their GM too for next season. They would want contributors for next season.

    I think their best pitching prospect is much furthur away from the majors than Cole. I would have demanded that guy in return.

    They could use righty bats. Since they were getting rid of McGehee anyway, offer him. And see if they would take Tabata (side note – maybe he has lost speed from injuries, or really isn’t that great of an athelete, more that a slacker?). Think about Marte instead of both if you have too.

    If they were inflexible, kudos to Huntington for getting what he did. The more I think about it, I don’t like the fit for Victorino or Pence.

  71. JRay3 says:

    @ Bob – Brandon Phillips is still out with strained calf….took grounders today but not sure how much longer he will be held out for.

    Jay Bruce likely out due to the LHP going tonight.

  72. Matthew says:

    I think Choo was really the best add they could have got. But I’m over being disappointed, or at least almost.

  73. Reading says:

    How about a start at SS for Harrison. Maybe he responds big in front of his hometown fans.

  74. DemonDachshund says:

    Let’s look at the Span proposal, since it’s the only one where both sides have been listed with an offer.

    No, Span is not worth a top 5 guy + lottery pick + young major leaguer. But he’s certainly worth more than the “original” offer of a 6-10 prospect + the lottery pick. Both of those deals look pretty lopsided to me. That’s standard negotiation.

    If all the teams that the FO had discussions with would not budge on these offers, sure, walk away. But let’s say they had countered with Wilson or Locke, Hughes or Lincoln, and the lotto pick. Would the Twins have agreed to a top 10 prospect, a lotto pick, and a young major leaguer?

    Look at the Victorino ask and what he eventually went for. BIG difference.

    I will grant that if these were all the final offers available, Neal made the right moves. But if he refused to budge off of that initial offer for Span, then I’m going to go back to calling him Gollum with his list of prosssssspectssssss.

  75. Bizrow says:

    Ok, lets see if we can get some new lunatics to sign in to the blog. If you don’t see your current residence on the list, please drop a line as to where you currently reside

    (Hmmm, funny, no one in London has logged in….)

    IMO this series is a big one, but not a show stopper either way.

    BEAT EM BUCSDejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
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    Austrailia – Mackay
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles, Newport Beach, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Yuba City, Solana Beach
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  76. DemonDachshund says:

    And now that I’ve stated #74, I’m just going to let it go. The deadline is behind us, the team is what it is for the next two months.

    I just hope that either Snider is the answer in RF, or that some move is made in the offseason to find the answer. The needs for a high OBP guy and a power hitting corner OF have existed for far too long.

  77. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Brandon Phillips being out doesn’t hurt my feelings at all.

    Let’s see if they can get after Latos though……..tough, tough match.

  78. DemonDachshund says:

    @Playoffs –

    3 x 100 on OVERs

  79. Matthew ICambria) says:

    Huntington does seems very tight lipped so we’ll probably never know how close any deal was.

    I liked McGehee, oh well. It’s still a great group for rooting on. I wasted too much time worrying about the trade deadline. I’m the one from Cambria Co. I’ve seen other people use Matt or Matthew on other days. Blog/forum screen names??

  80. RobertoForever says:

    Walt Jocketty said he didn’t want to go “ALL IN” either.

    “We said at the beginning we were looking for a leadoff hitter, a cleanup hitter or a bench player, but the position player deals just weren’t right for us and we felt good about adding an arm like Broxton. Asking prices? Very high. We want to win this year, but we are a small market club and we want to protect our future, too.”

    I wonder if Lisa thinks that Walt is misusing the term “small market”?? Maybe that’s just cherry-picking.

  81. JaxBuc says:


    Since I saw a mention of possible bad weather on Sunday, it made me wonder about the windows approach on multi-game lines. If they only play two games this weekend, do lines 2 and 3 become pushes?

  82. Mlrgenuine says:


    Line #1 – 100 on the OVER

    Line #2 – 100 on the OVER

    Line #3 – 100 on the OVER

    I’m All In!!!!

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  83. RobertoForever says:


    I would agree that Huntington should have offered more than a 6-10 and the lottery pick. But knowing what the Twins asked for from the Nats last year, I am guessing the Twins were holding out for the Nats young closer AND two top prospects. I don’t think they were coming down at all.

  84. RalphM says:

    DK just posted this over on Sulia

    Some amazing stuff on the Pirates’ TV ratings I just heard: Thirteen of the top 20 rated games of ALL TIME on Root Sports/FSN/KBL came in the month of July, including THE TOP SIX. That goes back to 1994. And the one I find most impressive: The Pirates’ local TV ratings now rank among the top five in all of Major League Baseball. Roughly 265,000 people watched per game. But, say it with me, it’s NOT A BASEBALL TOWN

  85. RobertoForever says:


    Good questions. I would think the series line would be off, but the player line is always a crap shoot, just like if there is a series line on Cutch and he is hurt or is rested on the 3rd game (which happened in Houston)

  86. Naje says:


    Your #74 post is speculating on speculation… that’s just pure fantasy stuff. We have been given small pieces of the trade deadline dance puzzle; the premise for which (the rallying cry of “all in”) was rather flimsy and unfounded. As more facts have been uncovered, it happens that the Bucs were being held up by a few GMs. Why? Because teams want what the Bucs have…and it seems like they want some of these guys pretty badly.

    DK: How many trade offers — legitimately worth considering — does it take to have a legit debate as to whether management took an all-in approach to the deadline?

    More than one?

  87. manny _sanguine says:


    Line 1 100 OVER
    Line 2 50 UNDER
    Line 3 50 OVER


  88. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    DK: Some amazing stuff about the Pirates’ TV ratings:

  89. Bizrow says:

    Look at the deals, look at what Dejan said the offers were.

    I don’t think the FO went all in at all.

    They bought lottery tickets

    Maybe 5 dollar ones this time, but the wind has to blow from your back to hunk a loogie where the fans want it to go with the pickups

    We picked up maybes, no sure things, or proven talent, scratch the sure thing statement before others do


  90. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jay Bruce lifetime against Juan D. Rodriguez is hitting .069 and has struck out 15 times in 29 AB’s.

  91. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Playoffs…….100 each….over on each. …..being a bit of a homer on this one, for sure…

  92. Reading says:

    My goal for the trade deadline was that TBMTIB would not stupidly trade away Marte. They did not, so break out the R. Rock pounders.

  93. DemonDachshund says:

    @Naje –

    “As more facts have been uncovered, it happens that the Bucs were being held up by a few GMs. Why? Because teams want what the Bucs have…and it seems like they want some of these guys pretty badly.”

    I’m impressed you can reach such a firm conclusion, based on your speculating on speculation.

  94. Curt says:

    #1: 100 on the OVER

    #2: 100 on the UNDER

    #3: 100 on the OVER

    Cliff Lee claimed on waivers. Wonder if it is our very own Pittsburgh Pirates?!?

    I can dream for a while right? Lol.

  95. Milo Hamilton says:

    I can make no intelligent comment on these trade proposals until I know when they happened. No players the caliber of Marte, Cole, or Taillon were traded. Pence & Victorino were traded.

  96. Mike C. says:

    I feel good about this weekand!

    #1 100 on the OVER
    #2 50 on the OVER
    #3 100 on the OVER
    thank you

    BTW, Other than the last one with NY, I still think they were smart deals. low risk – high reward type deals suitable for this team.
    Just don’t see that many batting options available out there, so just hoping we pick of a loogy, and i’ll be satisfied.

  97. DemonDachshund says:

    @Curt –

    Sorry to end your dream, but the Dodgers won the claim on Lee, according to Jon Morosi.

    Even so, the Phillies will now just retract the waivers unless the Dodgers throw enough prospects their way to make the deal worthwhile.

  98. JAL says:


    Not necessarily the team that will be, was not a trade deadline, only a non-waiver trade deadline. Nats made a trade today with Oakland por catcher Kurt Suzuki in return for catching prospect David Freitas.

  99. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Now the Dodgers………are all in

  100. DemonDachshund says:

    @JAL –

    Good point. I stand corrected on that part.

    I’m still going to let my disappointment pass and just enjoy the rest of the season though.

  101. Naje says:

    I don’t know how many trade offers it takes…that’s a good question. I think your statements about the Headley back-and-forth are exactly my thoughts…and highlighting that deal, putting it under a microscope, is fairly worthy of that all-in notion. The others? As you got more information and then reported it, the proposals for the Philly guys were preposterous. And that’s what seemed to be the crux of your all-in argument.

    I was thoroughly surprised by your premise of that piece that the front office didn’t go all-in. I thought that was more hype than substance. And it’s not your style to hype something like that and that’s what I thought your piece was based on…placed too much value in a cliche. A cliche that couldn’t be defined except in what you saw. So I reacted to that. Hope you see where I’m coming from.

  102. A pennant race for Pirates fans in August! Let’s get it on.

  103. Jandy says:

    I want to thank my friends for the “feel better” wishes. Doc gave me a Z pack. I got some of them down (throat is awful) but I’m cheering for the Buccos come h^ll or high water!

  104. Jandy says:

    And Lucky, I hope the P*****S you sent up do the trick ;)

  105. TDB1977 says:

    I’m going to take 100 on the over on all three lines!

  106. JRay3 says:

    Ok fellow Bucco fans time to play ball.

    Time to generate some base runners from top of line up and let middle part of order bang Latos around. Wandy gets to face a shorthanded lineup, time for him to give us a huge start!

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  107. Jandy says:

    Marte just got robbed

  108. JRay3 says:

    No way did Cutch go there….hosed…how about 2 out RBI?

  109. Naje says:

    So many check swings for Cutch since the ASB… every at bat seems like he’s checking his swing and losing the call…

  110. Jandy says:

    Let’s do it Wandy!

  111. twentytwo22 says:

    Latos tried to walk the bases loaded with 1 out but the Pirates wouldn’t let him.

  112. Jandy says:


  113. JRay3 says:

    Will take it….DP as Walker covers bag on hit and run, now let’s break out some offense.

  114. twentytwo22 says:

    Good pitching good D. That’s what they have right now. Smart hitting not so much.

  115. JRay3 says:

    @ 22 – hey what about trying to keep a little positive tonight, team is playing their tails off, huge series this is the time fans have to show we are behind them.

    Walker robbed on a smash, keep squaring the ball up good things will happen.

  116. Jandy says:

    Walker got robbed too lol

  117. LuckyNKentucky says:


    100% guaranteed! Better than the Maytag guarantee.

  118. Jandy says:

    JRay…great minds think alike

  119. Jandy says:

    Lucky, I’m “all in” :)

  120. Jandy says:

    woah nice catch!!!

  121. JMB says:

    Wow, that was a solid play by TS.

  122. Jandy says:

    I’m likin Snider more and more all the time :)

  123. Jandy says:

    dayum!! inside the park homer :(

  124. Boise Bucco says:

    There’s something you don’t see every day…

  125. Jandy says:

    wow…that was sooo close….anyone say he was out???

  126. Naje says:

    Lazy, unprofessional play from McCutchen… he didn’t back up the play and was way late getting to the ball. That’s not cool… big, big mistake from the CF to not help on that play. A long, loping fly ball and he didn’t do his job to back up the play and THEN he missed the cut-off guy…

  127. Boise Bucco says:


    Barajas had him nailed at the plate

  128. Jandy says:

    BB I thought he did too

  129. JRay3 says:

    That was extremely close at the plate….need to get these bats going and shake Latos up a bit he is in a groove right now.

  130. MadTurk says:

    Shades of Atlanta, he was out but real close.

  131. RobertoForever says:

    Heisey was out at the plate. He slid 6 feet before the plate, and Barajas was blocking it about 2 feet out and Heisey slid to the outside. When the Reds TV showed it from the CF camera, you can clearly see the plate behind Barajas, and him tagging Heisey in the shoulder.

    But Cutch blew that play. How can he not be in the picture on a flyball that takes 5 seconds to come down. I hope he owns it, it makes him mad, and he plays “ALL IN” the rest of the game.

  132. RobertoForever says:

    Wow, the overhead camera from behind homeplate shows it amazingly clear. The entire plate is still behind Barajas when he tags him.

    Maybe I should rethink my position on ‘no more replay’. The Pirates seemed to get burned more than their fair share.

  133. Boise Bucco says:

    Ok Bucs, 1-2-3 here

  134. JRay3 says:

    Wandy dealing tonight. Bad call or not good teams are able to overcome and this would be a great time to show our resilience and demonstrate this year is different.

    OK Snider start us off.

  135. Jandy says:

    Cutch with a single :)

  136. RobertoForever says:


    Agreed. Glad it happened in the second inning and not in the bottom of the 19th.

    Lets Go Bats.

  137. Jandy says:

    darn someone teach Cutch how to steal

  138. T.S. says:

    Agree with you Jandy. Cutch needs to learn how to steal. Bad technique.

  139. Reading says:

    One of life’s great mysteries: how does Cutch seemingly always get thrown out stealing?

  140. Boise Bucco says:

    Latos is really quick to the plate

  141. Chico says:

    Man, I wish mckenry was starting tonight. Can’t believe we benched our hottest hitter.

  142. DemonDachshund says:

    I wonder how often the Bucs have gone hitless the first time through the order. Seems like it’s every other game.

  143. JRay3 says:

    Quick 1-2-3 for Mr. Rodriguez, doing his part….now for the bats to wake up.

  144. JRay3 says:

    @ Jandy – no kidding….someone with Cutch’s speed should have more than 14 SB’s a number he has been stuck on quite a while.

  145. Boise Bucco says:

    You called it JRay! Now let’s do something this inning!

  146. Reading says:

    Reds have a 1919 WS Pennant on top of their dugout. Not sure I would count that one.

  147. JRay3 says:

    11 pitch walk for Walker, Great AB…how about running into one Pedro.

  148. Boise Bucco says:

    Nice at-bat PRNW

  149. Boise Bucco says:

    Alright Hot Rod, make ‘em pay

  150. JRay3 says:

    Game of inches…wanted that to be fair but Barajas draws a BB…Latos rattled come on Barmes time to deliver.

  151. Boise Bucco says:

    Good walk by Barajas, but…now Barmes is up…


  152. Jandy says:

    Grrrr!!!!!! Barmes makes me see red…grounding into a DP!

  153. Reading says:


  154. The Gunner says:

    Nice going Barmes you $&@#€£!!!!!!

  155. Jandy says:

    Chico I was thinkin the same thing about the Fort

  156. Chico says:

    On the first pitch, no less! This guy is wild — take one!

  157. JRay3 says:

    @ RobertoForever – I will go back to what you posted earlier…EFWB! Just one time Barmes could you?

  158. T.S. says:

    Barmes is a bum. Latos walks two and he swings at the first pitch into a DP. Inexcusable.

  159. T.S. says:

    Problem is, Hurdle loves his boy Barmes, cause he has such great defense. Bullsh*t.

  160. Jandy says:

    well, gotta admit that was a nice catch

  161. The Gunner says:

    Cedeno would have done better. This Barnes is awful- #$&@ I can’t stop cussing

  162. T.S. says:


    Couldn’t agree with you more brother. Barmes is a friggin’ liability. I almost miss Cedeno. Okay, that’s over. What is so wrong with Jordy Mercer?? Not a damn thing, in my mind.

  163. T.S. says:


  164. bobhasis says:

    Hurdle doesn’t realize it is ok to pinch hit for a WEAK swinging and pathetically WEAK hitting batter in the fifth inning in a crucial situation.

    It has been implimented before by GOOD managers. Of course, numby Barmes shouldn’t even be in there in the first place

  165. T.S. says:

    On Cedeno, that is.

  166. Boise Bucco says:

    Can CH just please for the love of god send Barmes to the showers now? I can live with Ronnie Cedeno-esque defense. I’d rather have some 16 year old kid from the American Legion team play designated shortstop if they could have someone bat for him. I swear, I’ll never complain about SS defense again.

    PRNW and Hot Rod just delivered two of the best at-bats that we’ve seen all year, just to get on base. They knew that this game was going to be a tough game, they knew it was going to be hard to get on base. They did what they had to do to get on base. Barmes sucks.

  167. JMB says:


  168. Jandy says:


  169. bobhasis says:

    Now you’ll see a pinch hitter and will take your strength out of the game

  170. Boise Bucco says:

    Barmes better have an unassisted triple play in his back pocket if CH wants to keep justifying his spot in the lineup.

  171. Jandy says:

    Gabby giving up some juicy homers

  172. T.S. says:



    Hey DK, can you pick Hurdle’s brain as to why he’s so enamored with Barmes. Ah never mind, Clint’s only going to give you a bunch o’ cliches, platitudes, idioms, analogies, metaphors, oxymorons and jibber jabber.

  173. bobhasis says:

    Of course you all know Cedeno is batting .280 and was 3 for 5 yesterday with 5 RBI’s

  174. Boise Bucco says:

    Of course, ROOT. We need lots of looks of Mat Latos’ jack. We also need lots of looks of Wandy’s suprised face-look. Keep showing them, I can’t get enough.

  175. Jandy says:

    you gotta be kidding me

  176. T.S. says:


  177. The Gunner says:

    Oh God Ludwick is up!

  178. Milo Hamilton says:

    If they keep hitting homers it won’t matter how many 2 out singles you get or don’t get from your shortstop.

  179. T.S. says:



    Lo friggin’ l

  180. bobhasis says:

    TS I love your collection descriptive press conference malarkey.

  181. Boise Bucco says:

    I can find out how many HR’s Wandy’s given up all by myself; I want to know how many double-plays Barmes has hit into on the first pitch. It seems like every at-bat. Barmes is the wet blanket of Pittsburgh.

  182. The Gunner says:

    At least Ludwick didn’t kill us again.

    Too bad the BMTIB signed Nate McLouth in the off season instead of trying harder to keep Ryan Ludwick. I believe their salaries were the same (if not close) and Ludwick has close to 20 HRs already. How many does McLouth have (or had) for the Bucs?

  183. Boise Bucco says:

    So is it just me, or did the Reds’ music director just grab whatever modern tracks the PSU band plays and decide to break ‘em all out all at the same time? These don’t seem to be baseball songs…

  184. Milo Hamilton says:

    A righthanded pull hitter will never sign a free agent contract with the Pirates. Unless it’s the only offer.

  185. Jandy says:

    Wow, Gabby gets on!

  186. bobhasis says:

    TS, my incomplete and confusing response @180 was because I’m so freakin’ irate with CH.

    He talks a great game and manages poorly. He is an in-game failure.

    Your tirade desribes perfectly the noise he makes when a camera is around

  187. DemonDachshund says:

    Should’ve hit Wandy 8th, it appears.

  188. Milo Hamilton says:


    Yep. Fire him immediately.

  189. Jandy says:

    this is sad :(

  190. bobhasis says:

    And of course Marte is already crowned the incumbent left fielder; no lefty/righty philosophy in this case

  191. RobertoForever says:


    You are the voice of JAL tonight. Bringing the reasonable answers. Love it.

  192. Reading says:

    It’s a good thing that this series is meaningless. Has Snider “barrelled” a ball since he’s been here? Everything’s a sissy pencil hit.

  193. Milo Hamilton says:

    One-third of the season will remain after this series is over. And even if they get swept, which I seriously doubt, they will go home holding a playoff spot.

  194. bobhasis says:

    Milo If Roberto says you are reasonable, you better check which field you are in, or which bus you are on

  195. Boise Bucco says:

    That was a PRO inning Wandy, way to go. Cutch leading off. Time to get some runs already.

  196. twentytwo22 says:

    We had a dominant trio better than the Reds’ but we traded one of them for a guy showing no better than Presley.

  197. DemonDachshund says:

    The team just seems really tense to me right now. They don’t look like they’re having fun.

    Need Cutch to lead off the next inning with something Z worthy. If it were hockey, I’d have someone pick a fight, but don’t think that’s going to work here.

  198. Milo Hamilton says:

    12 innings against Latos this season, we have 4 singles. And 2 of them are by McLouth & Juan D.. That ain’t gonna get it done. No pressure on J-Mac tomorrow (eyeroll).

  199. Boise Bucco says:

    Even with the 3 runs, Wandy’s cruising, 80 pitches thru 6 innings, 57 for strikes.

  200. Reading says:

    When they start making those kind of plays, it’s time to mail it in. May as well pitch KC the remainder and save the pen for tomorrow. Disappointing.

  201. T.S. says:

    Great, 22 is here. Dude, do you ever have anything positive to say? Never mind, I know you won’t respond. Presley shouldn’t be confused with the great Elvis. Relax. If you wanna bitch, do it about Barmes.

  202. Milo Hamilton says:


    LaRussa would have the Cardinals pick a fight.

  203. Milo Hamilton says:

    Not having Lincoln tonight hurts us how ?

  204. T.S. says:


    He refused to be “all in”

  205. The Gunner says:

    Wow Barmes!!!

  206. DemonDachshund says:

    @Milo –

    Yeah, but JMac and Karstens would’ve blown their arms out by now for Larussa, so I think Clint’s fine.

  207. Jandy says:

    Snider is looking very good. As far as 22, people, I suggest you turn on your ignore button :)

  208. Boise Bucco says:

    Dang, looks like Miguel Cairo was anxious to see me lose 100 points tonight…OVER takes it :)

  209. Jandy says:

    TS lol

  210. DemonDachshund says:

    Wandy got the OVER. Night’s not a total loss, and it’s not over yet.

    Need the Fort + Barmes for Chapman later, obviously.

  211. RobertoForever says:

    @Boise Bucco

    I looked it up for you. Barmes has 6 GIDP now this year. His first GIDP of the year was on a 0-0 count on April 21st.

    No other ones occured until tonight. The counts on the other GIDP’s were 0-1, 1-1, 1-1 and 3-2.

    And for your info, Barmes has 5 GIDP’s (now 6), but Walker has 8, McGehee had 7, Tabata had 7, Alvarez has 6, and Cutch has 5. Barmes also has the most SF+SH’s on the team at 8, and the 2nd most HBP at 5 (behind Tabata at 6).

  212. Boise Bucco says:

    Barmes better make that play 10 times a game to make up for first-pitch-swinging-into-DP’s…I’m still butt hurt…

  213. Reading says:

    Need back-to-back-to-back.

  214. RobertoForever says:

    @The Gunner

    That was a great play by Barmes, wasn’t it. Seemed like he had a pretty good arm there.

  215. Boise Bucco says:

    @RF–yeah but…yeah but…


  216. DemonDachshund says:

    Pedro looks like he’s going to puke. That bodes poorly for him.

    Happy Pedro = Productive Pedro
    Nervous Pedro = %#%#$^ Pedro

  217. Jandy says:

    our big bats aren’t making contact…what the heck is their pitcher throwing? marshmallows????

  218. DemonDachshund says:

    And there goes my Theory of Pedro.

  219. Boise Bucco says:

    haha that’s great info, thanks for looking it up. You know I appreciate looking up good stats!

  220. RobertoForever says:

    By the way, did Root Sports show the Pirate fan in the front row catching the Latos HR ball,pausing a second, then flipping it up over his head into the sea of screaming Reds fans? Interesting reaction.

  221. bobhasis says:

    Too late Clint; you missed the chance in the fifth.

    But at least, maybe you’re getting a clue

  222. JRay3 says:

    Pulling out all the stops using Fort to PH and he delivers a single…two on all’s it takes is one swing…Let’s Go Bucs!

  223. Reading says:

    Our trade against their trade. This will settle the “all in” question for all eternity.

  224. bobhasis says:

    This relief pitcher should be in Latrobe, I think

  225. DemonDachshund says:

    No one is wishing for Gorkys here?

  226. RobertoForever says:


    LOL, just bringing the info. As I have said many times, my free agent SS signing would have been Jamey Carroll. Of course, he is batting .234 with an OPS of .595, so I guess the market was pretty thin at SS this year.

  227. RobertoForever says:


    They said that Broxton is 300 pounds. Wonder if he can field a bunt, lol.

  228. Boise Bucco says:


  229. Jandy says:

    ::smacks head::
    another DP :(

  230. JRay3 says:

    And that was not the swing &$):&?!)$&@!!

  231. Reading says:


  232. twentytwo22 says:

    GIDP Casey McGehee.

    Sanchez is a platoon 1B vs left handed pitchers. Presley doesn’t hit there vs RHP. In 9th inning Mercer Harrison PH against LHP Chapman? Go figure.

  233. T.S. says:

    A little late for Mercer and McHenry to be in. Should’ve started. Oh, and Qualls. Game over.

  234. Jandy says:

    are you kidding me???

  235. JRay3 says:

    One positive to pull from this mess is Wandy pitches 7 innings and pitched well enough to give team a chance to win.

    Qualls with an efficient 1-2-3, bullpen should be well rested with two days of no work.

  236. T.S. says:

    Qualls. Not too shabby. I digress.

  237. The Gunner says:

    Qualls did fine – now it’s do or die for the Buccos

  238. Jandy says:

    Major league players cannot continuously mess up on Little League fundamentals and expect to compete

  239. Jandy says:

    OK I’ll shut up now, don’t wanna sound like 22 ;X

  240. DemonDachshund says:

    It seems like we should pick up any pitcher who is awful for the Yankees.

    Let’s get Qualls a W.

  241. Jandy says:

    it’s do or die time! Marte needs to start it off!

  242. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hope you feel better Jandy. That Z pack should knock it right out of you. Been there many times.

  243. T.S. says:

    Chapman = ugh

  244. Jandy says:

    Demon Dog…you said it!

  245. Jandy says:

    Milo, thanks, I appreciate that. It’s miserable..and the Buccos aren’t helping lol

    I get this at least once a year…the AC just kills my sinuses…it will pass :)

  246. RobertoForever says:

    Great defensive footwork there by Jonesy.

    Now let’s get em, Bucco Bats. Let’s give Chapman a D.W.I. – (decision (loss) with intent)

  247. Jandy says:

    Ha! Johnstown, PA just represented on tv :)

  248. Kevin says:

    @ Jandy

    Special place in my heart for Johnstown, PA! Did my student teaching there…Richland HS….!! GO RAMS!!

  249. T.S. says:

    This dude isn’t even human.

  250. Jandy says:

    Kevin, my daughter and son-in-law and grand daughter live in Richland. They are Bucco fans as well :)

  251. T.S. says:

    Wow, Cutch not happy at all.

  252. Jandy says:

    That Chapman is unreal

  253. pattonbb says:

    that hurt…..

  254. JMB says:


    Jones is practically swinging after the ball hits the glove.

  255. Jandy says:

    well that’s that

  256. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @JaxBuc, all 3 games must be OFFICIAL in order for them to count. If there is a rain-out, Lines 2 and 3 will be a PUSH.

    @lawnbeaver, you didn’t put a total for your (fake) wagers, but since you normally place 100 on each, The Window has counted your (fake) wagers as such.

    The OVER wins tonight. Here are the updated standings. Congrats to Mlrgenuine, the new clubhouse leader.

    Mlrgenuine ** 1550
    JRay3 ** 1475
    radio wave ** 1390
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 1300
    Nate83 ** 1240
    Chico ** 1155
    crkkid ** 1125
    pattonbb ** 1000
    DemonDachshund ** 910
    Bizrow ** 845
    RobertoForever ** 795
    dcpinpgh ** 750
    Mike C. ** 750
    manny_sanguine ** 750
    Slack Boss ** 735
    cosmo ** 700
    Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle ** 600
    stuart66 ** 580
    Curt ** 500
    JohninOshkosh ** 450
    JaxBuc ** 425
    Steve J Smith ** 400
    JD ** 375
    dcpfjr ** 350
    Evan ** 303
    Absolute59 ** 300
    jeffsbar ** 300
    Arriba Wilver ** 280
    cmat0829 ** 250
    JMB ** 250
    Naje ** 250
    MarkV ** 225
    likeabugonarug ** 207
    Hal Smith ** 200
    Officer Mancuso ** 180
    Milo Hamilton ** 125
    milo66 ** 100
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  257. Jandy says:

    we’ll have to get ‘em tomorrow

  258. Jandy says:

    Woah Cutch is furious!

  259. T.S. says:

    Someone on the Red Stockings needs to get plunked tomorrow.

  260. DemonDachshund says:

    I don’t think I want to be the Red pitchers the next 2 days, giving what Cutch just looked like.

  261. RobertoForever says:

    I hope J-Mac drills Ludwick or Bruce tomorrow, after that Chapman beaning. Chapman has only hit 3 batters all year. Don’t tell me that wasn’t intentional. Bush league.

  262. Reading says:

    Marte only one to make contact fouling off numerous pitches. Too bad he didn’t get a shot at Broxton with two guys on.

  263. T.S. says:

    Excuse me, Red Legs.

  264. Boise Bucco says:

    Zach Cozart should probably just go ahead and add some extra padding to the ear holes on his helmet for his first at-bat tomorrow…

  265. JRay3 says:

    Somebody better get plunked on the Reds tomorrow, maybe that is just what we needed to fire us up a bit….still two more to go and time to salvage this series. Need J-Mac to give us a huge bounce back.

  266. Milo Hamilton says:

    Good think Zach Duke’s not pitching tomorrow.

  267. Boise Bucco says:

    And I wouldn’t even bother with JMac doing it, I’d have Qualls start the game, with the express intent of throwing at Cozart, then pull him out of the game and have JMac come in. Now that’s sending a message.

  268. Jandy says:

    sounds like tomorrow ought to be fun

  269. Jandy says:

    Is JMac in tomorrow?

  270. Reading says:

    That ump on the play at the plate could not have been in the proper position. Looks like he should have been behind the plate. No way he could see from where he was. Hence, a safe call. Thanks Blue.

  271. Jandy says:

    ooops JRay answered me ^^ there…thanks :)

  272. T.S. says:

    Night all. Pirates take two out of three.

  273. Boise Bucco says:

    If Cutch hits a HR tomorrow, you can count on it being the slowest home run trot of all-time…he is TICKED.

  274. DemonDachshund says:

    Eh, I think you make them pay with your bats myself. Don’t drop down to their level.

    Until you’re up 10-0 in the 9th. Then you put one into someone’s elbow or so.

  275. The Gunner says:

    It’s gonna be nasty tomorrow. That f—-n Cuban defector, isn’t he the guy who was involved with some woman in his hotel room when the Reds were in Pgh?

    Cutch is livid, he will rally the troops tomorrow.

  276. Jandy says:

    Gonna call it a night too, take my meds and get some sleep…night everyone…and thanks for the well wishes :)

  277. Bucco_Jax says:

    I don’t want to see anyone get plunked tomorrow. I want the Bucs to shell the Reds! That was the wrong thing for the Reds to do. Hoist the colors!!! Load the cannons!! We have a riverboat to sink!!

  278. twentytwo22 says:

    Clint Hurdle needs to wake up.

    Using RHP deficient Marte vs RHB dominant Latos. Absolutely no disrespect to Marte. It was too lopsided a matchup this soon into his career. Too big of a game. And a guy I would trust Presley to face.

    He mangled the last two inning on offense by using RHB against RHP and having two LHB face LHP Chapman.

    I think the Pirates are awake though. An offensive awakening is exactly what that s— should spurn. Leave your boxing gloves and bring your batting gloves Bucs. Beatdown Leake tomorrow and Bailey on Sunday.

    If beanball… Bruce is obvious target. Burnett smokes Bailey in the back with his best FB on Sunday.

  279. Boise Bucco says:

    @22, that’s two days removed. If you’re gonna retaliate, do it tomorrow, get it out of the way and get your warnings in. If you wait ’til Sunday, you risk getting THE STOPPA (AJ) ejected. We can’t have that.

    Nope, if they’re gonna retaliate, they gotta go after them tomorrow.

  280. JoeBucco says:

    Just got back from the game, where my seats were at the end of the Bucco dugout, second row, so I was about 10 feet from the players all night looking into the bench. After Cutch was hit, quite a few players came over to J-Mac and said something to him, and he gave them a look of “yep, I know”. And then when Cutch came back in, I’ve never seen him that upset or emotional.

    Not sure how it is going to play out tomorrow night, but I think we could be seeing one of those moments where a team stands up for itself a bit and says ‘we aren’t going anywhere’. If it means a plunking of the Reds best player, so be it. If it leads to benches clearing or a brawl, well, sometimes that happens.

    The Reds have always disrespected the Pirates for a long time now, whether it is Arroyo making stupid comments, or Phillips making more disrespectful comments, or even Marty Brennaman just being his Marty Brennaman – I think this team is tired of the Reds trying to impose their own will on us.

    Would be nice to see this team show some push back tomorrow night. And would be even better to finish up with 2 out of 3 W’s. So close tonight, with Marte just missing that Heisey ball and freaking Latos getting a lucky swing on that Wandy fastball, plus our bad timing of double play balls… that game was ours for the taking tonight. But when a coward like Chapman does what he did, whether it was payback for the robbery or payback for McKenry and Barmes handing him his blown save earlier this year, or just him trying to hurt the likely NL MVP in a playoff race, it is unacceptable to let that dude get away with that. The Reds needs to know that someone on that team is going to pay the price tomorrow night. And then it’s over and we move on and play baseball.

  281. JoeBucco says:

    Thanks to DK for the RT on my Cutch beaning comment btw. Glad I could help with some live input on his reaction.

  282. twentytwo22 says:

    vs Leake
    Presley 7PA 3R, .500/.571/1.167 1.738OPS
    Tabata 16PA, 6R, .400/.438/.600 1.038OPS

  283. bobhasis says:

    Top Ten reasons we will not make the post-season;

    1. Hurdle
    a. Bad decisions
    1) playing Barmes
    2) i.e.,a lefty/righty match-up guy who allowed Barmes to bat against Latos, while
    Presley sat, in the most crucial moment in the game.
    3) does not realize Walker is the BEST #2 hitter in the league
    4) refuses to allow Mercer the opportunity to become the starter at SS
    5) Barmes swings weakly while off balance, and defensively to simply make contact

  284. bobhasis says:

    Sorry, while trying to create a legitimate outline my computer had different ideas

    5) . . . . . .make contact and avoid a K.
    6) considering the talent and speed, allows Cutch to attempt a steal. Cutch is one of the worst basestealers, previously discussed ad nauseum.
    7) Wee Willie Keeler a fantastic pro always said, “hit it where they ain’t”. The sequal is “hit it where it’s pitched”, don’t turn it over and roll it into a double play ala Barmes, Pedro
    8) his coaching staff, save Searage, are not very effective.
    9) he gives the reporters enough quotes for a column, laced with (thanks to TS) cliches, platitudes, idioms, ANALogies, metaphors, oxymorons, jibber jabber, (my contributions) hyperbole, rhetoric, and enigmatic slush all in his folksy demeanor.
    10) has failed to appropriately act on the very noticeable trend changes between Barajas .201 and The Fort .278, and has ignored the consistency of Barmes never exceeding .208

    Keep an open mind – you;ll eventually begin to scratch your head and utter, “Hmmmm?”

  285. TJA says:

    buy your tickets, now, for september 28, 29 and 30th! 29th is fireworks (i am guessing already sold out), but yea, there sure will be fireworks on the field these next 8 games w/the reds!

  286. Naje says:

    The Trib’s beat writer sums-up the inside the park home run thusly:

    “….including a two-out, inside-the-park home run to Chris Heisey in the second inning.
    The ball hit the left-field wall above Starling Marte and rolled toward center field.
    The Pirates missed the first cutoff man, and Heisey was safe even with catcher Rod Barajas in good position to block the plate.”

    Rob B…. what’s missing here? I’ll tell you: a name. Andrew McCutchen’s name. The centerfielder who: 1. didn’t do his job in backing up the play… basically, dogged it; and 2. the name of the person who overthrew the cutoff man, again, Andrew McCutchen.

    Did you miss the play? Did you conveniently leave out the name of the person who was responsible for allowing Heisey to round the bases?

    That’s just bad reporting… don’t even mention something kind about Cutch like, “he got a late break (which is totally untrue… the guy took the play off)” or “he reacted slowly…”

    Bottom line: it was a total brain lock that led directly to a run and gave the Reds momentum…but no mention of it. That’s beyond my understanding… you mention the inside the park homer, but not the person directly responsible for allowing the ball to roll and roll and roll…

  287. Reading says:

    Cutch should have backed up, but the other elephant in the room is that Marte should have caught the ball. Appears he mistimed his jump.

  288. Naje says:

    Reading– true… but that was one of the strangest fly balls I’ve seen at that stadium… just hung up in the air forever and seemed to be curving towards the LF line as well… not sure of Marte’s confidence in the field… he allowed that blooper over shortstop to fall later in the game (7th inning, i think, after Latos’ home run) and seemed to give up quite early on the attempt… the perils of learning to play that position as well as learning the range of your shortstop in just a handful or so of games…

  289. Reading says:

    Not to mention that dude was actually out at home. I’m thinking tonight that a similar play at the plate might result in a slightly harder tag at the plate. Also take Chapman’s beanball out on their SS and second baseman with Ty Cobb-like aggressive slides. Also, would be great to see Cutch blister a couple balls back through the box.

  290. Naje says:

    @DK- re: the swimming events…

    The swimming disciplines are much like the track and field where they have the 100, 200, 400, 800, 1,600, 3,200 and marathon events… the freestyle disciplines are similar in that the 50, 100, 200, 400 and 800 (and 1,500) for the men all require special skills.

    Then think of the 100 and 200 fly as the 100 and 400 hurdles…

    Think of the 200 and 400 IM as the heptathalon and decathalon…

    Think of the 200/400/800 relays as the swim version of the 4×100, 4×200, 4×400 and 4×800 relays…(or whatever they run)

    It’s very, very similar… and in swimming all those distances allow different body types and different strengths be highlighted…. a sprinter will have a far different body type than a distance swimmer, just like they do on the track…

    The varying distances allow for the varying types of physical attributes for swimmers to achieve the very best in their sport.

  291. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    So does J-Mac channel Dock Ellis and hit every Cincinnati batter?
    The way he’s pitching right now, it may be in his best interest.
    Let him stand up for Cutch and the team, and have someone else (Correia?) ready to take over when he is ejected.

    If James MacDonald pulls a Zach Duke, he can just get his bags packed as far as I’m concerned.

  292. RobertoForever says:


    That stood out to me in the article as well, that no name was mentioned. Then I remembered that 24/7 is not actually IN Cincy. He is in Pittsburgh, writing the article from home.

    Karen Price is on site in Cincy. Not sure why she didn’t write the article.

    But even so, there was no doubt that Cutch missed his job on that play, and he should have been mentioned by name.

  293. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    We should not be picking apart the 3 runs Cincy scored. A good team is expected to score 3-4 runs a game. How they do it is incidental.
    Wandy did the job in holding Cincy to 3 earned runs or less in at least 6 innings, the onus is not on him either.

    The problem was that Mat Latos silenced the Pirate bats. They should have scored at least 3 runs. It was no surprise though that Latos would be nearly unhittable, this is what Mat Latos does. Reds management made the wise trade to get him, and that is the expected results. No surprises here.

  294. Mike C. says:

    I say start Qualls, knock someone upside the head like Bruce with a fastball, and bring in J-Mac in relief after the brawl + ejection.
    Don’t want the Pirates to sissy out, but I don’t want Correria pitching most of the game and don’t want J-Mac serving a long suspension.

  295. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    The only actual surprise was that cowardly act of Aroldis Chapman, intentionally hitting the best player in the national league (and perhaps all of the majors) with a 101 mile per hour fastball.
    That was bush league and only served to take all of the shine off of their victory.

    Might it have been payback for when McKenry and Barmes ended Chapman’s scoreless inning streak? If so, why go after the league’s best player?
    Either way, this is not the John Russell / Zach Duke Pirates (Thank God!), and we have not seen the end of this incident.

    By the way, Jay Bruce is good, but he’s not the best player in the league, and doesn’t match Cutch.
    I like the Dock Ellis method better in this case.

  296. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Starting Qualls would be sissying out in my book.

  297. Boise Bucco says:

    If Chapman hitting Cutch was supposed to be payback for McKenry and Barmes ending his scoreless streak, it was a chicken-$hit way of going about it. For one, Chapman isn’t Bob Gibson, and this isn’t 1968. If McKenry or Barmes happened to come up to bat and Chapman wanted to go after either of them–ok fine, put them on the hard way. But when he hit Cutch, Dusty Baker has been around the game long enough to know what Chapman started. If Mike Leake gets one in the ribs tonight, he’ll know why, and he’ll take his base like a champ if he knows what’s good for him.

  298. RobertoForever says:

    If they are going to hit batters, you have to hit batters until the ump warns both benches. Otherwise, you hit one, then they hit one and the ump warns.

    I like the idea of waiting for a good spot (no one on, Mike Leake or BP up).

    The best scenario is J-Mac gets two outs, then drills BP, and the ump warns both benches.

  299. Florida Pirate says:

    on a completely different subject. Do you guys remember seeing an article DK wrote called “100 reasons why I love Pittsburgh” or something like that?

    Can’t seem to find it anywhere

    Okay back to your regularly scheduled topci

  300. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    DK did that back when he was with a different newspaper. He used to do it daily, adding a new thing each day.
    I’m not getting any results in my search for it.

    My guess is the only hope to get it is to go right to the source, er, DK himself. I thought he talked about making it into a book, but don’t know much more.
    If it is owned by his former employer, that may be the reason it is not showing up in any search.

  301. Boise Bucco says:

    Pirates lineup today via Karen Price: Presley 7, Walker 4, McCutchen 8, Jones 3, McKenry 2, Alvarez 5, Snider 9, Harrison 6, McDonald 1

  302. JRay3 says:

    Big changes to lineup today:

    Presley, Walker, Cutch, Jones, McKenry, Alvarez, Snider, Harrison, J-Mac

    like what Clint is doing here, get your bats in and let’s tee off on Leake!

  303. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    Michael McKenry has arrived. Hitting 5th between Garrett Jones & Pedro Alvarez, thats a new one.
    Still, I kind of liked him batting behind Pedro giving him protection. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out, with Snider protecting Pedro and J-Hay in there today.

  304. Boise Bucco says:

    Big fan of the no-Barmes line-up and I like seeing PRNW back in his spot at #2.

  305. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    I guess it would only be a matter of time before McKenry started getting pitched around, with him batting in front of Barmes & the pitcher. This way makes good sense.

  306. bobhasis says:

    To use a phrase wildly bantered about in recent days, I’m “all in” with this lineup.

    A little creativity and aggressiveness on the part of my best buddy CH. Is that just a peephole of light (by another reference named wisdom) at the end of the tunnel of his mind?

  307. JRay3 says:

    Some nice events from Indy last night…Jeff Locke throws 7.1 innings of three hit shutout ball and had 10 K’s and now owns a 2.66 ERA looking more and more like a piece of the rotation next year.

    D’Arnaud hit his 22nd double and has raised his AVG to .241 which considering he has been hovering around .200 is nice to see him getting it going some. And everybody’s favorite jogging Joe…aka Tabata was 1-2 with 2 BB’s and is now at .314. I still think if he can get his head on right he can be a piece to help this team.

  308. Pig Legs Robinson says:

    I’d like Locke to get on this team right now and learn the majors with A.J. Burnett as his teammate.
    I hope A.J. never leaves.

  309. bobhasis says:

    Boise, I too am a big fan of the no-Barmes look

    Pig Legs, I think it is a tad too early to say anyone will pitch around The Fort, but I love the thought

    JRay3, those are very intriguing facts about Indy. That is exciting stuff.

    I’d say with today’s lineup, Leake will not be able to think he has a soft stretch coming up – or to look ahead to. Jones and Alvarez MUST keep their collective (respective) heads on the ball ALL THE WAY INTO THE PLATE, and not presume fast ball while they are swinging blindly on an off-speed curve or slider – and looking silly.

    One through eight can hurt Leake – not one through six and then a gap.

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