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Wakeup Call: Twenty to go … don’t laugh

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

LONDON — Brief and to the Point …

>> The Tuesday Olympics column looks at Wexford’s Jake Herbert, a legit gold-medal candidate in freestyle wrestling this weekend.

How many of you recall Kurt Angle in Atlanta, before all the goofy stuff in his career?

Given how poorly the Americans have fared in this discipline the past decade-plus, a Herbert victory might be even more stunning. To everyone but him, anyway.

Be sure to scroll down to our accompanying video interview to see what I mean.

>> I love the velodrome. Shot this just as the British winner crossed the finish line yesterday …

>> Twenty wins until the streak ends. Make fun of those still seeing it as A priority, though not the priority, but there’s no way it doesn’t matter. Not after two decades.

Hard to fathom now, but just two years ago, I covered a team that won FIVE FEWER GAMES than the 62 this one has through the 6th of August. Don’t tell the people who hung on every pitch in THAT season that ending the streak should be overlooked on the way to greater glory.

I’ve said it all along: It’s the goal until it isn’t.

>> The athletes are everywhere.

It’s been the most striking difference between these Olympics and the first two I covered, seeing the officially attired participants shopping at the huge Westfield Mall near the Athletes’ Village. Some can even be seen on the streets of central London, eight Underground stops away.

It wasn’t that way in Athens, the first Summer Games after 9-11, when fears of terrorism consumed everyone to such a degree that the NBA players were housed on a large boat off the coast of Greece. It wasn’t that way in Vancouver, either.

Here, part of the fun in going through the mall is seeing the athletes and trying to guess their sport. That wasn’t hard at all for shoppers who spotted Yi Jianlian at Westfield. He’s the 7-foot center for the Chinese basketball team, and he could barely move through the other shoppers because of all the photo and autograph requests.

Poor kid just kept shaking his head and saying, “No. No. No.”

>> Oh, and before I hit the trains again, a final thought on 82.

It is 82.

I don’t want to hear about 81 when the time comes. That’s ending a losing streak, but it’s not ending the streak in any meaningful way. It still gives you 20 years of something negative. Non-winning, if you will.


  1. Jon V says:

    The first day of this season, I guessed a record of 83-79, I didn’t like 81 for the reason you mentioned, and I thought 82 was too safe. I cannot wait until that win. I will try my darndest to be in that stadium should it occur at home.

  2. RobertoForever says:

    I am guessing now that most Pirates fans will be disappointed this year if the Pirates win 88 games, but don’t make the playoffs with at least the wild card. That seems to imply that the goal is not .500. I predicted 76 wins so I will be thrilled in 14 more wins.

    When the Pirates break the streak, I doubt the mothership will give it more than 2 minutes. And I am sure most of the coverage will be shots at the franchise.

  3. Skip says:

    Not only is a winning record within reach, it’s actually a realistic possibility the Pirates could produce this year’s Cy Young AND MVP winners. Not likely, I understand, but that’s just crazy that I can even type that…

    My apologies if someone on the blog here has already pointed that out.

  4. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I will be estatic if the Buccos win 88 games……

    No complaints from me.

    Maybe a little disapointed if they don’t make the playoffs, but really, won’t complain…….probably a lot of what ifs though.

    Either way, 88 wins will be a great season and I will be even more excited for ’13!

    20 more! Go get em Bucs!

  5. CWalton_67 says:

    Agree on 82. Breaking that streak is important, but simple mediocrity is not really good enough. They need to make the playoffs.

  6. JohninOshkosh says:

    The crowds over there have seemed dizzyingly raucous. Did not know if Old Trafford would survive that soccer match today. Arguably the greatest American international soccer game-men or women-ever played. The Andy Murray medal ceremony has been a highlight as well. I defy even the most cynical Olympic naysayer not to be moved by watching a tennis loving nation watch the Union Jack rise above their beloved Wimbledon Centre Court to the joyful refrain of “God Save the Queen.”

  7. manny _sanguine says:

    Whatever past teams have done, these Bucs are in a pennant race. They battle every day, they’re in nearly every game, they act and play like winners. Why anyone would focus on the losing streak now is beyond me. 82 is merely an incidental blip on the way to the real goal of the organization which I believe is (and should be) being competitive and winning *every* year. Mediocrity as a goal will get you nowhere and is pointless.

    If you’re starving and finally getting to eat at a nice restaurant do you fill up on dinner rolls (breaking the streak)? Or do you lick your chops waiting for the big juicy steak which is on the way (legitimate possibility of making the playoffs)? I choose the steak, thank you very much.

    Of course I guess there will be relief when that monkey is off their back – but honestly it’s not something that ever crosses my mind any more. I’m focusing on the race and them *winning the division* which I absolutely believe they can do even if they are underdogs to the Reds or even the Cards. I’m enjoying every minute of this – only 3 1/2 back in August. Awesome.

  8. DMFH says:

    Just winning 82 is enough to make the season a success, but the expectations have gone up now that we’ve seen what they can do between this season and the first half of last. Especially with another wild card berth, they’ve gotta make the playoffs.

  9. DMFH says:

    Roberto, if you predicted 76 wins and the Pirates got 88, you shouldn’t be so thrilled over 14 more wins because they would only have 12.

  10. Reading says:

    82+ is hopefully going to take care of itself and become a non-problem. Another streak is of more importance and that is the Pirates have never gone more than 33 years between World Series appearances (1927-1960 being the current record) and we are now at year 33 since 1979. A new record of 34 will make us the most oppressed Pirates fans in the team’s history. This team has to break that streak. If necessary, we’ll next address the 35 years between World Series Championships in 2014.

  11. Ed says:

    I predicted 73 wins at the start of the season. I thought they overachieved last season and that the upgrades this season would just keep a par.

    They’ve far exceeded expectations again this season. A playoff spot is looking realistic. Only 3 1/2 behind the Reds and still plenty of time to catch them.

    If they fall short of the playoffs, I will be disappointed but not critical. Even .500 the rest of the way will give them 89 wins.

    I’m not laughing as I suffered through the collapse of last year, the awful 2010 and all 19 years of this losing streak.

    But this team will not collapse this year. Not with the schedule that they have remaining. Especially not with the chemistry and heart that this team has.

    Not to mention a possible having a possible MVP candidate and Cy Young candidate leading the way.

  12. Ed says:

    Oh, and Clint Hurdle and Neal Huntington. They’ve had a little bit to do with turning around this franchise as well.

  13. Matt says:

    Well said Ed! For the second time in 20 years I am excited about baseball in August (in 97 we still had a shot at this time). I truly believe we will catch cincy! I believe we will look back at the end of the season and thank Chapman for REALLY getting us fired up. Albeit at the expense of a bruise to McCutchen!

  14. Drew71 says:

    You don’t want to hear it? Then don’t listen.

    There are two different streaks going on. One ends at 81. Another at 82. Those are facts, not opinions.

    Here’s an opinion. Do I think the broken streak at 82 is more important than the one at 81? You bet.

    Please don’t confuse my opinion about Dejan’s comment with an argument that 81 is more important than 82. I don’t believe it is.

    But to say “I don’t want to hear about” a factual matter…

    Is there any other sports related factual matter you wish to censor from the conversation?

    Like most of those here, I’ve been around for all 20. Don’t I get to decide, for me, what is important, for me?

    So. It is more than an issue of fact. If I’m going to be completely transparent about how this is hitting me, aren’t we talking about the personal emotional impact of the numbers, too?

    You don’t want to hear it? So if it’s a personal emotional issue…It’s not ABOUT you.

  15. Jandy says:

    Woah! Drew said his EYE statement very well. ::applause::
    All the positive vibes this team has produced…and there is STILL the negativity.

  16. Jandy says:

    Oh, and happy birthday, Sidney Crosby!

  17. JAL says:

    JAL’s Take It Easy Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)


    4—Pirates Prospects

    Pirates Notebook: Early Season Bedard Shows Up in Pirates Win

    Leroux Goes Seven Shutout Innings, But Indians Lose 1-0

    Prospect Watch: Leroux and Irwin Pitch Well, Big Day of Rehab For Lambo

    One Day FREE Fantasy Contest – $350 in cash prizes

    First Pitch: Minor League Promotions Could be Limited

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Erik Bedard Stellar As Pirates Defeat Diamondbacks 4-0

    6 Rumbunter

    The Pittsburgh Pirates Baffling Erik Bedard Leads Majors In Losses With PNC Park ERA of 2.38

    7 McEffect

    8/6 Recap | Pirates 4 Diamondbacks 0

    Monday 8/6 Minor League Roundup

    8 The Green Weenie

    Bedard Charms Snakes 4-0

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Bedard blanks Snakes

    10 WHY GAVS

    Game 108: Pirates 4 Diamondbacks 0

  18. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 CBS Sports

    Pirates-Diamondbacks game Preview

    12 Yahoo Sports

    10 Degrees: Evan Longoria’s contract tops list of most team-friendly deals in MLB–evan-longoria-s-contract-tops-list-of-most-team-friendly-deals-in-mlb.html

    13 Chicago Tribune

    Pirates Report,0,828859.story

    14 St. Louis Post-Dispatch

    Tipsheet: Pirates finally have staying power

    15 USA Today

    Could Andrew McCutchen, Mike Trout lose the MVP races?

    16 Arizona Republic

    Erik Bedard, Pittsburgh Pirates shut down Arizona Diamondbacks

    17 Conway Daily Sun

    Locke dominates again; now third in league in ERA


    18 PBC Site

    Bedard’s pristine effort aided by McCutchen

    Notebook: Like those before him, Tabata can gain from demotion

    19 Baseball Prospectus

    What You Need to Know

    20 Fangraphs

    Why First Basemen Get Paid So Much

  19. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Battle of the AFC North: Outside Linebackers

    2012 Steelers Training Camp Observations: Part Two

    22 Steelers Depot

    - First Steelers 2012 Depth Chart

    23 Steelers Gab

    Ben Roethlisberger Held Out of Indoor Practice

    24 Nice Pick Cower

    Steelers, Ben Roethlisberger & Long-Term Health, Depth, and Future Plans

    Pitt Blogs

    25 Pitt Blather

    Five Training Camp Questions

    26 Cardiac Hill

    Only Way To Change Big East Perception Is To Win

    WVU Blogs

    27 Metro News

    A Freshman Leader

    28 WV Illustrated

    WVU Grad Nicco Campriani Wins Olympics Gold


    29 Sky Sports

    Transfer Clockwatch

    30 Daily Telegraph

    Premier League Transfer Talk

    31 World Soccer Daily

    10 Ten stories you need to read, August 6th, 2012

  20. JAL says:

    Take it Easy, Eagles, 1972. This song is for Arizona (Standing on corner in Winslow Arizona). Written by Jackson Browne and Glen Frey. Was the Eagles first single, the start of long string of hits.

  21. Fat Jimmy says:

    You’re right, Dejan. And, to be fair, a lot of us have been critical of the FO in the past for “moving the goalposts” on when the rebuilding efforts would bear fruit. (at one point, it was 2011, then it became 2014) It would be hypocritical for us to start moving the goalposts on the team for this season.

    Make no mistake, I would very much like to see the Pirates win the World Series, win the NL, win their first playoff series, win the division, win the wild card, win 90 games, etc. But 82 wins was the realistic stretch goal for the season, and — no matter what happens between now and the first week of October — if they finish with 82 wins than this season is a huge success.

  22. Jandy says:

    JAL, another great song pick…I’m waitin on Sweet Home Alabama ;)

  23. Drew71 says:

    It’s a girl my Lord in a flat bed Ford
    Slowing down to take a look at me

    Oh wait. It’s Jandy. And she’s pointing.
    And laughing.

    At me, not with me.

    Well get in line, Girl.

    There are women all over America laughing at me.
    Not with me.

    There. I told HER.

  24. Jandy says:

    Drew, EYE would never laugh at you, you’re one of my fav asylum inmates!

  25. John Lease says:

    Don’t jinx it Dejan, they can still lose 100. One game at a time…

  26. Drew71 says:

    Thanks and ditto. And you look GREAT in that flat bed.

    But why is Thunder driving??


    That ruined everything.

  27. Jandy says:

    Thunder? Now Drew, you drank too much SoCo…and you were hallucinating…you gotta let go of your jealousy of TC…

  28. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Drew @Jandy

    EWE guys are killing me.

  29. Jandy says:


  30. RightSaidTed says:

    Completely agree that 82 will be worth celebrating and savoring. I just never imagined that we might do that in mid-September and move on immediately to bigger and better milestones. Here’s hoping it works out that way.

  31. Milo Hamilton says:

    I plan on celebrating win #63. Maybe tomorrow I can tell you how I feel about #64.

  32. Jandy says:

    Milo ~ you got it right…celebrate one win at a time.

  33. Milo Hamilton says:

    That 63rd win used to be a big deal around here.

  34. RobertoForever says:


    You misunderstood the math of the post. I mentioned 88 wins as a hypothetical. It could have been 89, or 87.

    The 14 games I mentioned that I would be thrilled if they won, was the 14 games needed to go from their current # of wins (62) to my prediction (76).

  35. Reagan's Dad says:

    Not sure I would agree agree with calling Kurt Angle’s post-Olympics career “goofy”. Pro-wrestling has gotten away from the ridiculous idea of calling itself a sport and rightfully labels itself as “entertainment”. Everybody knows it’s fake, just like movies are fake. Is it fair to call Tom Hanks “goofy” because he acts like a soldier or Alabama football player? The difference is Kurt Angle’s stage is a pro-wrestling ring, not a Hollywood sound studio. Kurt Angle turned an Olympic Gold Medal into a profitable career and worldwide fame, something I bet every athlete in London would love to do. Would you feel better if Kurt Angle was toiling away on the mats in Clarion, scraping to make ends meet? Oh wait, he did that for many years, won a Gold Medal and he is now cashing in on all of his hard work. Doesn’t seem goofy to me at all.

  36. JAL says:

    Good to see people having fun with today’s song. More difficult tomorrow as hits about Arkansas are rare.

  37. Naje says:

    Celebrate 82 and then what? Stop the season…? Give the team a trophy…? Send everyone home…?

    Just because a long-suffering-fan-now-city- sports-columnist feels it’s important to celebrate 82 wins doesn’t mean that’s the goal.

    Give the city a competitive, winning team/franchise…something that’s only been done 5 times in the past 30 seasons. Repeat: 5 times in 30 seasons has this franchise had a winning season (since 1983). Those fans can have all the fun they want at 82 wins.

    I’ll be happy for 82 wins…I’m not going to pop a cork on a bottle of bubbly, though. I’ll get a lot more emotional over a trip to the playoffs.

  38. RobertoForever says:

    Did some projection and if I had to guess when the #82 shows up, it appears to be on a 6 game road trip to CincyiChicago. The best thing that could ever happen is for 82 to happen on the road, and then the Pirates win #83 on the road and come home with their sights set on the preferred goal. Might be a good time for my first visit to Wrigley Field. I am sure that tickets will be easy to get since the Cubbies are out of it early again.

  39. Dave G says:

    I can think of two songs about Little Rock… one by Colin Raye and one by Reba McEntire…

    My prediction of 80 wins will be shattered. Couldn’t be happier that I am wrong.

    But in 2012, 81 and 82 are just stepping stones.

    My sights are on the playoffs.

    I don’t have concrete expectations that the Pirates will make it there, but, at this point, that’s the one milestone that would thrill me this season.

    I’m thoroughly enjoying the ride.

    And, oh, watch out for that St.Louis team nipping at the heels—it’s going to get waaaayyyy more interesting over the next few weeks…

  40. JAL says:

    Dave G

    There are Arkansas songs, just no major hits that most people know.

  41. Dave G says:

    Actually, Reba’s song is about her wedding ring…

  42. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    I read that the Bucs promoted AA shortstop Brock Holt. Hmmmm. Do they plan on moving him to 2nd????……or calling up D’arnauld??????….Seems a waste to have both of them at Indy…..Chase may not have had the best numbers last year but he could teach our guys a thing or two about getting a good jump off of first when stealing.

  43. Bizrow says:

    Dejan’s Lunatics Fantasy Football

    League ID 362238

    Password 1203

    This time I think I got the League ID right

  44. Jandy says:

    Biz, third time is the charm ;)

  45. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Nothing wrong with multiple goals. I don’t know anybody or any entity that has goals that has just one. That’s actually what DK said anyway. 82 is a nice stop-over on the way to bigger and better things. I, for one, will enjoy each stop along the way this season. Proof positive: as much as we all dearly love the Steelers, there hasn’t been more than five posts about them since camp started. Brings back memories of greatness in both sports and the “City of Champions” era.

  46. pants-n-at says:

    There’s a girl my Lord in a flat bed Ford slowing down to take a look at me.

  47. Jandy says:

    I’ve gotta know if your sweet love is gonna save me!

  48. radio wave says:

    If the two wild card teams have the same record, is head to head record the first tie breaker?
    I’m asking this concerning home field advantage for the one game wild card playoff game.
    I still think it’s quite significant that the Braves end their season here.

  49. Thundercrack says:

    Maybe I am missing something here. ( most likely)

    DK wrote ‘Oh, and before I hit the trains again, a final thought on 82.’
    Was there a discussion in recent days regarding 82? I don’t want to be accused of cherry picking that one line from his post – so can someone clue me in on what was going on. To have a final thought, doesn’t there need to be a first thought on it?

    I don’t recall a recent discussion about 82. Maybe I missed something. Maybe I’m jealous of Drew. Maybe I’m worried that he is jealous of me.

    ( And hey, you have my permission to get excited about 81 or 82. Whatever floats your boat. )

  50. Jandy says:

    TC…now, don’t go being jealous of Drew, you’re one of my fav asylum inmates too ;)

  51. JohninOshkosh says:

    Springsteen’s “Mary Queen of Arkansas” comes to mind.

    Going to have trouble with a number of states, JAL.

  52. JAL says:


    Yes, head to head first tiebreaker,

  53. JAL says:


    Yes, one of my possibilities for Arkansas. Some states have many more songs than others.

  54. JohnS says:

    As far as Arkansas songs go, I would offer up a vote for Grand Funk Railroad’s, “We’re an American Band.”

    In the discussion of “82”, I have always looked at every year as a new season. I have never thought about the team not winning since the ’90’s. Maybe I am delusional but if you aren’t in the playoffs it doesn’t matter what the record is.

  55. Scott says:

    The Pirates are 16 games over .500, so if they play .500 ball the rest of the season, they’ll finish with 89 wins. If they only get to 88, it means they’ll post a losing record the rest of the way. And probably miss the playoffs by just a few games. You guys would be happy with that?

    I would’ve been thrilled with 88 wins at the start of the season, but not anymore. The bar has changed. Let’s not settle for that.

  56. Jandy says:

    Sure, I’ll be happy with 88 wins, that’s an improvement. I’ll be HAPPIER with MORE wins, tho.

  57. I can’t see this team playing .500 ball or worse the rest of the season. I just can’t, and I don’t think I’m being delusional. I know . . . One game at a time.

  58. Bizrow says:

    No, we want more, but not to speak for Dejan, 81-82 wins is a barrier that has to be broken first.

    I haven’t read the paper, so am not sure what was said.

    IMO 82 wins takes a huge load off the franchise and the FO and us, the lunatic fans that have been waiting for this for a long, long time.

    That being said, again, many of us want it all this season, ME (thats for Jandy) included ;-) (emoticon is not for Drew to see though)

  59. Drew71 says:

    I dont know from Little Rock.

    I’m stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis blues again.

  60. JMB says:


    The Pirates have 54 to go: 34-20 is 96-66. That record would virtually guarantee a shot at the division.

    If they go 20-34, they still break the streak of non-winning seasons.

    If they go 27-27, they should at least play in the WC.

    Looking at the schedule, I believe the team will go at least 27-27.

    I’m just happy that we are not the laughing stock of MLB any longer. The Astros will probably have that roll for the next ten or so years.

  61. Jandy says:

    Biz, lol

  62. NMR says:

    Well said, Biz.

    If this team doesn’t win 90 and make the playoffs, momentary disappointment will be overshadowed by history viewing the ’12 squad as the one to break the streak.

    20 years from now, only the most crotchety will look back and be p*ssed about a team who overcame just about everyones expectations and gave this region a reason to be proud baseball fans once again.

  63. NMR says:

    Now you’re singin’ to my heart, Drew.

  64. Dan Finnegan says:

    A winning record will be great this year, anything above and beyond that will be icing on the cake. The hard part for this team will be stringing winning seasons together in a row for say, oh 20 years.

  65. JHadar says:

    82 will be “at least that’s finally over.”

    There’s another streak that’s coming up on 33 years. That’s the goal.

    Completely unrelated, but what is the reference in DK’s story about prying the miniature “36” school bus off his head. Is that some localism, something younger folks are saying that hasn’t caught up with this old geezer, a reference to a movie, a commercial, or a TV show I don’t watch? I get the gist of it from the context but it would totally flummox me if I just heard someone say that without a back story.

  66. buggee says:

    I’d be happy if Jandylicious were slowing down to take a look at me. Hiya Jandy, have a shuttlecock!

  67. JH— I’m guessing its a reference to the Jerome Bettis (#36) foam hats like a bus that were kind of a take off from the Packers’ cheese heads.

  68. buggee says:

    Wasn’t there a band called “Black Oak Arkansas”?

  69. buggee says:

    “Jim Dandy to the Rescue”

  70. Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle says:

    Speaking of the Eagles…..When they break into the chorus of “Ol’ 55″, now that’s a perfect blend of voices……

  71. JHadar says:

    AW — Thanks.

    Buggee — There was indeed a band called “Black Oak Arkansas”

  72. JH– and I think Rob Rogers would sometimes use it in his cartoons poking fun at the locals.

  73. DemonDachshund says:

    I will be pleased with 81 or 82 wins, but disappointed. That would take a pretty bad August/September. The season would be a success, but it would definitely leave a bad taste in my mouth and make for a long offseason. I think 19-35 would qualify for A Collapse, and I don’t want to see A Collapse. I want this year to be built on.

    At this point I have one request: Meaningful September baseball. If the team is alive for a playoff birth going into that final homestand… That’s the team getting a real taste of a race, something that can serve them next year when hopefully they’re in it again. 88 wins and no playoff birth would be briefly disappointing, of course, but the season would be an unquestioned success.

  74. buggee says:

    Whass happenin everyone? Finally alive after a raucous weekend in the ‘Natti. Saw all three of those games and it soooooo reminded me of the rivalries between these two teams in the ’70’s. Where’s Doc Ellis on acid when you need him?

    >>> I really thought that Chapman fastball hit AMac in the noggin and I literally exploded out of my seat in outrage. Cool thing is that I wasn’t alone. A bunch of fans wearing Red’s gear seemed just as upset as I, although maybe not for the same reason). Glad AMac is ok and as good and motivated as ever.

    >>> Ushers and security at GABP would NOT allow my parrothead-on-a-stick. Very disappointing. Stodgy shuttlecocks!

    >>> Can always tell when CH is bent. He surges up out of that dugout with that odd, rolling gait and the man’s face is RED. It wasn’t red when he got tossed but it was afterward. And it was lookin’ red when he argued the Marte play at third.

    >>> Worst overall umpiring job I’ve seen in years.

    >>> Again, nice to be home

  75. buggee says:

    That’s “BERTH”, not “BIRTH”. Don’t intend to be a stickler but it brings to mind misuse of shuttlecocks

  76. JAL says:

    yes, Black Oak Arkansas is a band with some hits but they are about Arkansas. Did a song titled “When Electricity Came To Arkansas” but not the best song.

  77. DemonDachshund says:

    @buggee –

    Sorry to give birth to so much anger. I will try to correctly use berth in the future.

  78. buggee says:

    >>> Pirates and Yankees in the 2012 World Series! Seriously? Dare to dream. Why root for a team to just get above .500, or even to get to the playoffs. If rooting for a team, root for ‘em all the way, and then root for ‘em to do it again next year.

    >>> Let’s all bring a shuttlecock to the first game against the Deads in late September at PNC (if I have the schedule correct). Then when a Bucco goes yard, toss that shuttlecock!

  79. NMR says:


    Don’t you mean The Collapse? I’ve never heard of A Collapse.

    And your shrink is gonna have a heck of a time straightening out how you can be pleased and disappointed all at once. Sounds expensive :)

  80. buggee says:

    No worries DemonDoggie, just poking a lil fun, ok?

  81. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ve come up with a cool little exercise in mind control, my own of course, that might come in handy in the nervous days ahead. When Chad Qualls comes into the game I focus on the #32 and convince myself it’s Brad Lincoln. It’s worked like a charm so far, three scoreless outings. I’ve even taken to calling him Lincoln. When the 16 year old asked me who closed the game last night, I told him Lincoln. Clearly confused he told me Lincoln was traded. I said, “Don’t argue with me, go to bed.”

    I’m still working on someone for Snider.

  82. DemonDachshund says:

    @NMR –

    That’s pretty common for me, actually. I’m a Pitt basketball fan, so I’m typically pleased with how well they played in the regular season and then disappointed by how they do in the tournament.

    In this case, I would be pleased by the fact that the Pirates had a better season than I expected, but disappointed that they didn’t take advantage of being in their current position.

    No shrink required.

  83. Jandy says:

    Well, the hubby swooped into the work place and pirated me off for lunch! Then I come back to find that buggee is overusing shuttlecocks. Wow, just wow. (buggee, dude, yer killin’ me!) One of these days, who knows, we just might run into each other…

    NMR, I think Dachsie will be just fine. It’s Milo I’m worried about…his poor kid is probably worried too.

  84. TJA says:

    Where did you go for lunch, Jandy?

  85. pants-n-at says:

    How ’bout PA songs? I like the one that goes like this” Sweet home Pennsylvania, where the skies are so gray. Sweet home Pennsylvania, Lord I love ya anyway! Guys, I’m going to be coming home to visit PA in late October and I’m already speaking it! World Series tickets for me!! Shoot…why not dream big?

  86. LuckyNKentucky says:

    So other than not caring that much for baseball, sounds like Jandy’s hubby is a pretty good guy. He’s probably read the blog where everyone is enamored with her and figured he better do his part. (insert smiling emoticon here).

  87. ExileInDC says:

    The argument over whether 81 or 82 are “meaningful goals” is sooo meaningless when the Pirates might reach that number by Labor Day (not saying they will, but it is possible).

    If the team were 54-59 like it was last August 7, then 81 or 82 would indeed be a meaningful “goal.” But this is a different team, different year.

  88. TJA says:

    I know what you’re saying Lucky, re: Jandy’s hubby. That being said…that was a requirement of my wife (that she be a Pirates and baseball fan) when we got married. She was, so no worries. :) LOL!

  89. TJA says:

    Back to baseball for a moment…we all are fired up about the Reds (and for good reason as we chase them down), but I was looking at something today. The boys from St Louis have been tearing it up with the bats. Anyone see how many times they have crossed the plate? 546 times…a 101 more than the Pirates. Soooo, that may be the new series to look out for at we come off this homestand and face the cards on August 17, 18 and 19 out in Missouri and then here on August 27, 28 and 29.

  90. Jandy says:

    TJA, went to Hoss’s and had talapia plus soup and salad bar. Under an hour…my boss would be proud! Hoss’s is seriously one block from the office.

    Lucky, hubby was making fun of me during lunch for raving about Cutch stretching his single into a triple and flashing his grin and the “Z”, and about Marte and his laser throw to get Goldschmidt out at second…but I was good, I ddin’t dump my soup over his head ;)
    But yeah, he’s a keeper! =D
    Oh, and he doesn’t read blogs, mine or any other…he thinks the internet was made for e-bay lol.

  91. Jandy says:

    TJA, I’ll let you know I converted hubby into a Penguins fan. I’m working on the Pirates stuff now…I’ll bring him around.

    In turn, he made me a fan of old muscle cars. We go to Carlisle fair grounds at least twice a year for the car shows/swap meets. He’s doing his own ’68 Chevelle, which I can proudly boast that I helped him get the tranny and motor back into after he worked on them. Works both ways, right? :)

    pants-n-at…whereabouts in PA?

  92. TJA says:

    A good healthy lunch, Jandy. Yea, under an hour indeed would make the boss smile. And, well said on your comment that it “works both ways”. That is very true. For me…my wife taught me about wines and I taught her about good beer. Anyways, keep up the good work, jandy, on the Pirates thing…you got the Pens under wraps. Have to get back to work and gather up my stuff for a 1pm meeting. Have a good afternoon everyone.

  93. NMR says:


    The Cards have the best run differential in all of baseball…by a margin of 30 runs.

    Thats incredible.

    If there is any team poised to break out, its probably them.

  94. JAL says:


    Doing the states in alphabetical order so Pennsylvania is still a few weeks away.

  95. TJA says:

    Exactly my thoughts, too, NMR. And, they are the Champs and sure as heck want to defend their trophy.

  96. pants-n-at says:

    Jandy. Heading to Uniontown. I’m staying up @ nemacolin during my visit but planning a few trips to Pittsburgh while I’m home. I love PA in the fall! I haven’t been back home in awhile so I’m really looking forward to it.

  97. buggee says:

    @#83–Jandy: “Pirated”? Was that an intentional play on words? Does your hubby have a pointy head too? Long, greasy hair? Just wonderin’ Jandylicious.

    >>> One guy at a bar in the ‘Natti, Friday after AMac was plunked told me that “AMac is a baby, just like all you Pixburghers.” Me: “Shuddup or I’ll smack the shuttlecocks outta ya…” We all got a good hoot outta that one.

  98. pants-n-at says:

    @ buggee…did you finish with…”you jaggoff”?

  99. buggee says:

    “Pennsylvania wants me. Lord I can’t go back there…”

  100. buggee says:

    no pants-n-at, but I did find a window sticker for my car that sez: “JAG-OFF”. That there is pure gold.

    Raze it, yinz jagoffs, or I’ll smack the shuttlecocks outta ya

  101. buggee says:

    >>> JandyGaGa can install a tranny. ROFL. Howzat for a play on words?

  102. Jandy says:

    pants-n-at, I hope you REALLY enjoy your stay. There’s no place like home. And the leaves in Pennsylvania are truly beautiful. I’m closer to Altoona (got to a Curve game a few weeks ago and talkin the hubby into another soon), but the leaves are just as nice here. Safe travels.

    buggee, of course “pirated” was intentional lol. You silly shuttlecock :p

  103. Jandy says:

    look out, buggee is on a roll!

  104. buggee says:

    >>> pannies-n-at, welcome back to da ‘Burgh. Gotta getcha some chipchop haam an some ahrn from izley’s dahn on da squer er sumpin.

    >>> When I was in Cancun, me and me lil wifelett took a quick (read, drunken) Spanish course, which I’ll make into a blog called Pixburghese-Spanish for Dummies. It’s whatcha wanna fall asleep to…

  105. buggee says:

    >>> Greg Brown on a future Pirate’s broadcast: “Whoa ho BABY! Andrew McCutheon crushed the shuttlecocks outta that one!”

    Raise the Jolly Shuttlecock

  106. Jandy says:

    lol I’m thinkin’ buggee was sippin some of dat dere iron city beer ;)

  107. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Or he didn’t leave any in Cincy.

  108. Jandy says:

    Lucky, I think you’re onto it!

  109. pants-n-at says:

    @ Jandy. Thanks! @ Bugge….I think you had a 2 martini lunch. you crazy man!

  110. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    hello all.

    I’d like a nice cold Iron right about now……and its only 11am my time.

    Anything good going on in here?

    Has the Pirates season collapsed yet?

    Clint Hurdle fired?

    Starling Marte concurred his plate discipline problem?

    has AJ won the Cy Young?

  111. buggee says:

    that’s cuz it’s noon somewhere, y’all.

    “You only get one liver to use, use it well.”

    Raise it, yinz shuttlecocks

  112. buggee says:

    Ryan, I have determined, after careful analysis of geometrics, geothermals, geodiscs, geography and geoditistics, that Starling Marte’s swing-plane and barrel-zone are similar to the entire North Korean women’s badminton team’s swing-plane used for slamming line-drive shuttlecock shots into the net.

    Gregory Polanco for 6th district representitive!

  113. Jandy says:

    Ryan, I guess buggee covered everything lol

  114. buggee says:

    Here’s the Great Controversy of the Day (Besides speculation over The Great Collapse of Your 2012 Pittsburgh Pirates):

    Nylon or feathered?

    Feathered, when struck, can come off the racquet at speeds up to 200mph, however, their flight-decline is far more dramatic than that of their nylon counterpart. This sudden and often steep decline results in more dramatic and athletic countershots. Feathers are more cost-prohibitive in the US as opposed to Asia.

    Max speed that nylon comes off the racquet has been clocked at 177mph, however flight-arc is flatter with a more gradual descent in flight-decline, making nylon a favorite of the more sedentary, back-yard picnic variation of the game. Nylon is more affordable here than in Asia.

    The Olympics uses Feathered, exclusively.

    Put all that in your shuttlecock and smoke it

  115. buggee says:

    JandyGirl, you are a sweety. Be well all, and don’t forget to Raze it already

  116. Jandy says:

    Whoever left buggee out of his cell when he had a two-martini lunch, hang your head! The man is running amok!

  117. LuckyNKentucky says:

    It’s official. He didn’t leave any booze of any kind in Cincy. The city is now completely dry thanks to buggee and his wifelet.

  118. Jandy says:

    Lucky, LOL! I’m dyin’ here. When is game time????

  119. LuckyNKentucky says:


    You can bet your feathered shuttlecock that it’s not soon enough.

  120. Jandy says:

    :;giggle:: This place is wild today. I’m lovin’ it!

  121. Bunch of fair weather fans... says:

    When the time comes, I’m going to revel the fact that there were a few people like myself who gave the Pirates a fresh start in 2007 when Bob Nutting, Frank Coonelly, and Neal Huntington took over a pathetic ML team, a pathetic farm system, and fended off all of the jilted fans. They stood up, told everyone what they were going to do, didn’t give in, didn’t fall prisoner to win-now pressure, and took on the task of rebuilding the organization from the bottom up. They deserve every ounce of credit for doing it the right way. The upward trend of the organization, as a whole, was evident for people who were open-minded enough to see it. Some probably won’t give them that credit. But they deserve it.

    That’s all I have to say.

  122. NMR says:


    Ok, Biz. I appologize. You were right…

  123. buggee says:

    >>> All this PBC front-office stuff is a bunch of shuttlecock, like all the outrage around here when TBMTIB was given extensions without formal public announcement. People went NUTZ, screaming, “oh the perfidy of Nutting. The sneaky sly dog!” Gimme a break. It’s a frigging SPORT/BUSINESS/ENTERTAINMENT, a PRIVATE VENTURE. People eat it up like they own it. All I gotta say is… BLECH. Shuttlecockery! Slap it on the rump and call it “Judy”. Enjoy the winning, bemoan the losing, but most of all, be entertained already.

    >>> Mike Tyson does a Broadway show. Give new meaning to “Friends, Romans countrymen, lend me your ears…”

    >>> We ALL know what the #2 cash crop in Kentucky is…

  124. CraigWilson'sRevenge says:

    Out of the Reds, Pirates, Cardinals, and Braves, two pretty good teams will miss the playoffs. kind of a shame.

    i guess in past years, three of those teams would miss the playoffs, so it’s still a good deal.

    But if the Pirates get the 1st wildcard, then lose the play in game, i’ll be a little… not really angry, but just like “really!?!?”

    because that would officially mean that the new rules screwed them. but if they get the 2nd wildcard, and win the play in game, i’m alllllll smiles :) .

  125. LuckyNKentucky says:


    That’s why Cincinnati will never be TOTALLY dry, no matter how hard you try. Too close to the bluegrass. (pun intended)

  126. JohninOshkosh says:

    Busy work day today, but nice to see one of Bob Nutting’s kids had time for a post.

  127. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Great one, John.

  128. RobertoForever says:


    There is a 2nd generation Razorback in the 200m heats today for the U.S. men – Wallace Spearmon Jr. He will be going up against Usain Bolt and Blake from Jamaica in the semifinals of the 200m tomorrow, with the finals on Thursday.

  129. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I’m confused.

    Are there arguements going on here or just people making statements to pass the time.

  130. JAL says:

    Actually, out of the Reds, Pirates, Cardinals, and Braves three of them can make the playoffs. If the season ended today the Reds, Braves, and Pirates would be in the playoffs.

  131. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Sounds like a bunch of “I told you so’s” going on.

  132. JAL says:


    i have no idea

  133. Bizrow says:

    You know, IMO its perfectly fine to pull for the PBC but not be enamored with the FO. Fanatics by definition are not always logical. And if I may say one thing, we still have a ways to go this season before there is justification to crow about the FO and what they have achieved. So far, promising, but so far….

    And just so you know, a guy that works in the right place to know, told me that paying people to post certain spins on things is a standard practice in both business and in sports.

    But whatever

  134. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Can we just end the season today then??

    I really don’t want the Pirates to play the Braves in the playoffs…….

  135. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I have always been a fan of “the plan.”

    Wasn’t always a fan of the execution of said plan though.

    Its been a rough haul, no doubt, but the idea was solid and they stuck to their guns.

  136. Leefoo says:

    Hello everyone. I just liberated myself from the PG Plus blog. I loved everyone there but one certain blogger from Jersey. I let him irritate me to the point of distraction. The day they took that “Hide” key from me, I should’ve known I was doomed.

    I have a fault in that I don’t suffer fools lightly, and to me, well….

    Not sure how much I will be on here, but if I do go on a blog, I guess it is here or nowhere.

    Besides, Drew tells me the water is warm. :)


  137. RobertoForever says:

    Lineup is out

    Vs LHP today again

    Marte LF, Snider RF, Cutch CF, Sanchez 1B, Walker 2B, McKenry C, Alvarez 3B, Barmes SS, Karstens P

  138. Keith says:

    I will be totally decimated if the Pirates lose at any point during the playoffs. It really has nothing to do with expectations coming into the season, or how far they made it. I am always devastated when the Bucs lose, and it will be even more horrible if they lose the last game of the Series. Just how I am. Every time. I can handle a loss if I know there’s still a chance to win. Down 9-0 in the bottom of the 8th? No problem. Still a chance. Down two games with three games left? No problem. Tied 3-3 in the Series? No problem. But if they lose with no chances left in 2012? I’ll be weeping.

  139. JohninOshkosh says:


    Dejan must feel like the Kings when they got Gretzky.

  140. Thundercrack says:

    Haven’t you learned about if you are near Drew and the water is warm?

    ( btw, my subscription is up over there too)

  141. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Does the guy from Jersey have any deuces in his name?

  142. Thundercrack says:

    I wonder if Pedro is starting to know how ARod felt when Joe Torre dropped him WAY down in the lineup.

  143. buggee says:

    >>> A 1-game playoff against the Braves would be a fitting way to end “The Curse of the Tomahawk Chop”.

    >>> Foo(manchu), I’ve missed your wry wit. Howz that shuttlecock hanging?

    >>> If the water is warm and we’re not in Mehico, did anyone pee in the pool?

  144. Jandy says:

    Lucky, lol on dueces ;X

    Foo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We’d love to have you in here full time, us lunatics will keep you sane (wrap your mind around that one ha!)

    I DON’T want to hear about warm water! YIKES!!!!!

    Ryan, not too much bickering today, lotta banter, tho.

  145. buggee says:

    Bickering sux

  146. buggee says:

    Liking today’s line-up.

    Raze it yinz shuttlecocks

  147. pants-n-at says:

    @ JAL (130) Actually, all 4 of those theam could make the playoffs if Washington has a complete collapse and everyone else does their thing. Correct?

  148. buggee says:

    Foo, JandyGaGa said she can change a tranny. That’s outstanding

  149. Stickyweb says:

    @pantsless-n-at #147

    Nats are up 3 games on the Braves. If they need to “completely collapse” to get passed, I guess the Buccos don’t have a chance of making up 3 1/2 games, huh? And the Nats are only up 6 games on STL for the wild card, so I don’t think losing that lead over 50+ games would constitute a collapse either.

    I think everyone’s assuming the Nats (and the Reds for that matter) are playoff locks when in realty they only have a moderate lead on the others. Though they are in front at the moment.

  150. JAL says:


    Certainly possible that all 4 could make it

  151. pants-n-at says:

    @ Sticky…ok, I guess you’re keeping with the told you so theme. got it. On to the new board.

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