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Final: Padres 9, Pirates 8

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (63-48) vs. San Diego Padres (49-64)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. San Diego RHP Edinson Volquez

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Travis Snider, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. James McDonald, RHP


  1. Stickyweb says:

    I do love our lineup (at least the first 6) against RHPs

  2. Reading says:

    Nearly reciprocal records. Interesting.

  3. RobertoForever says:


    They will be reciprocal after tonight’s W by the good guys.

  4. JAL says:

    P2 on tonight’s opposing pitcher

    Exploring the Arsenal – Edinson Volquez

  5. buggee says:

    The horsehides are gonna be flying into the river tonight!

    Raze the Jolly Jagoff Yinz Shuttlecocks

  6. buggee says:

    Isn’t it about time for Snider to go long? Chicks (including Jandylicious) dig the long ball.

    100 on the over for everything please. No line yet, I’m just sayin’

  7. buggee says:

    Maybe Ritchie needs a closer analysis of Snider’s swing-plane and his barrel-zone…?

  8. JRay3 says:

    Cubs playing defense like the Bucs of the other night, 3 errors through three innings and Reds out in front 5-1.

  9. The Gunner says:

    CH better have JMac on a short leash tonight. Let’s hope Pedro snaps out of his latest funk – we need him to get hot real bad.

    NH better get to work on PRNW’s new contract!!!

  10. Leefoo says:

    Pacfrag…from the previous blog…thx for the kind comment.

    I miss you guys, too…sniff.

    Blubbery Foo


  11. Leefoo says:

    Hoping JMac is on and gets back to his first half slef.


  12. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Please read the updates / FYI’s below. Have a great weekend everyone!!
    – The overall standings will be (finally) updated after tonight’s game.
    – I am going to the games on Saturday or Sunday, so there is a chance there may not be lines on those days (it will depend on what time the game thread is posted).
    – There may not be a final weekend update of the standings until Monday evening.

    Today’s THREE-PLAY FRIDAY OVER / UNDER (always for fun of course)

    LINE #1
    Total Strikeouts by Pirates Batters in Tonight’s Game
    Line is 8.5

    LINE #2
    Total Pedro Alvarez Hits This Weekend Against San Diego
    Line is 3.5

    LINE #3
    Total Pirates Wins This Weekend Against San Diego


  13. NMR says:


    I would’ve hesitated using Locke for 2+ innings last night knowing Jmac could be out quickly tonight. No long relief left in the pen with Lincoln gone and Correia on 1 day rest.

    Clint has confidence in the kid, thats for sure.

  14. JMB says:


    I think Line 3 is missing the #?

    However, I’ll still bet it.

    LINE #1 — 100 on the OVER

    LINE #2 — 100 on the OVER

    LINE #3 — 100 on the OVER

  15. pants-n-at says:

    @ Playoffs,

    Line 1: 100 on the over
    Line 2: 50 on the over
    Line 3: 50 on the over whatever it is

    Thanks. Go Buccos! They’re in your house!

  16. TDB1977 says:


    100 on the under for line 1
    100 on the under for line 2
    100 for 3 wins this weekend

  17. Kevin says:

    Playoffs –

    Line 1: 100 on the OVER
    Line 2: 100 on the OVER

    Once again, staying away from Line 3 – superstition…Thank you.

  18. nate83 says:

    Line 1: 50 on the under
    Line 2: 75 on the over
    Line 3: 100 on the over if it is 1.5 and no bet if it is 2.5

    Thanks and enjoy the games.

  19. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    LINE IS 2.5

  20. JaxBuc says:


    Line 1: OVER for 100 shuttlecocks
    Line 2: OVER for 25
    Line 3: OVER for 100 (assuming the line is 1.5, like usual)

  21. JaxBuc says:

    Okay, was typing when the update came through.

    No “wager” on line 3.

  22. Arriba Wilver says:

    From the last thread:

    NMR–I don’t bet $600 on anything. But I got it. :-)

    John the Wisconsinite–sorry I didn’t get back to you. I didn’t get to see what the jabroni said. When I tried to go there it said I needed to download Adobe. I have Adobe, so I didn’t trust it. And, yeah, the Penn State stuff got kind of rough all around, probably the most polarizing subject this year, if not longer. Have a good weekend.

  23. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs

    Line 1 – 50 on the OVER
    Line 2 – 50 on the UNDER
    Line 3 – 50 on the UNDER

    Thanks and enjoy the games this weekend!

  24. T.S. says:

    Too much friggin Barajas. The bat plays. Put in the Fort.

  25. Groat2Maz2Strangeglove
    August 6th, 2012 – 3:18 pm
    There’s nothing wrong with the Reds that a good 5-game losing streak wouldn’t cure!!


    I don’t want to claim I am as good as Bob Walk or anything, but here’s my comment on this blog 5 days ago!

    We’re only two games back in the loss column! Even after a 2—2 split with the Snakes. Go for that Division Championship!!

  26. JMB says:

    Wow, I thought Sanchez was turning it around, but he must have hit another ice cold spell.

    .213 .287 .387 .674 in 169 PA’s @ Indy

  27. RobertoForever says:


    I will take 100 UNDER on all three lines. Thanks.

  28. Bizrow says:


    100 on line 1 on the UNDAH

    100 on lines 2 and 3 on the OVAH

    What the heck, its only nuclear nuggets

    Thanks as per usual

  29. Bizrow says:

    7 signups so far for Dejan’s Fantasy Football

    Yahoo ID# 362238

    Password 1203

    Cubs are back to only down by 2

    Cable is a beautiful thing

  30. Bizrow says:

    Dejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
    Arizona – Tucson, Chandler, Phoenix, Sunnyslope
    Arkansas – Rogers
    Austrailia – Mackay
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles, Newport Beach, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Yuba City, Solana Beach
    Canada – Toronto, Winnipeg
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    Connecticut – Cos Cob, Bridgeport, Wallingford
    Costa Rica
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    Delaware – Newark
    Denmark – Greenland – Thule*
    District of Columbia
    Florida – Palm Harbor, Orlando, Valrico, Gainesville, Daytona Beach, Oviedo, Tampa, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Palm Beach Gardens, Cape Coral, Coco Beach (Major Nelson and Mary Ann), Niceville (Red Neck Rivera)
    Georgia – Marietta, Atlanta, Sandy Springs
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    Indiana – Indianapolis, Burns Harbor, South Bend
    Iowa – Bettendorf, Humboldt
    Illinois – La Salle, Peru, Payson, Chicago, Palatine (3 inmates there), Lincoln Park, Grayslake, Lincoln Park, Algonquin
    Japan – Tokyo
    Kentucky – Louisville, Bowling Green, Lexington
    Louisiana – Slidell
    Maine – Bangor
    Maryland – Arnold, Odenton, Severn, Baltimore, Waldorf
    Massachusetts – Boston
    Michigan – Kalamazoo, Eaton Rapids, Lansing
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    Mountain Home AFB*
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    New Hampshire – Barrington
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    New York – New York, Smithtown, Manhattan
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    Pennsylvania – Downtown, Hopewell, Indiana, North Wales, Franklin Park, Forest Hills, Lansdale, Philadelphia, Du Bois, Reading, Crafton, Arnold, Wexford, Mt Lebanon, Canonsburg, Lancaster, Huntington, York, Boiling Springs, Philly suburbs, Morningside, Harrisburg, Lawrenceville, Bradfordwoods, Norristown, Hanover, Clearfield, Sewickley, DuBois, Plum Boro, Slippery Rock, Wilks-Barre, Sharpsville, Bessemer, Greensburg, Washington, Imperial, South Side, Duncansville, Newville, Sheppton, Grove City, Butler, Allentown, Ross Township, Blairsville, Flood City (Johnstown), Overbrook, Danny’s Hoagies, Baldwin, Economy, Sharpsville, Erie, North Huntington, Bellfonte, West Mifflin, Kennywood, Pleasant Hills, Beechview (Mad Turk, No 200), Macgunie, Mechanicsburg, Uptown, Cambria County, Mon Valley, Salisbury
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    222 locations represented in the blog,
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    8/10/2012 5:13 PM

    Just post where you currently reside and wake me up (like Dejan did yesterday) if I miss welcoming a new lunatic


  31. jeffsbar says:


    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER

    Line 2 – 100 on the UNDER

    Line 3 – 100 on the OVER

  32. Boise Bucco says:

    @ Playoffs–

    100 UNDER all 3 lines

  33. Stickyweb says:


    Give me OVER for 100 on all 3 lines. Individually, not in a parlay. I won’t pull that stuff until the last couple weeks of the season. LOL

  34. Stickyweb says:

    Wow, the Cubs have 5 errors and at least 1 passed ball and wild pitch and are down by 3 in the 8th. Don’t they know only the really good teams can overcome playing like that and still win, as we all found out the other night.

  35. Arriba Wilver says:

    I would almost always go with the over on Pirates’ strikeouts, but looking at Volquez’s recent stats, he looks a lot like Wandy.


    Line #1—50 on the UNDER
    Line #2—50 on the OVER (Pedro’s got to break out sometime)
    Line #3—50 on the UNDER

  36. Mlrgenuine says:


    Line #1 – 100 on the UNDER
    Line #2 – 100 on the OVER
    Line #3 – 20 on the OVER

    The Mrs and I will be at the game tomorrow night also. Stop and say Hi!

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  37. JRay3 says:

    Jonathan Broxton getting roughed up in 8th as Cubs trail 9-8. Reds pitching showing some cracks.

  38. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:


    100 on the under on all lines please. Thanks. Hope I’m wrong on some of them.

  39. Bizrow says:

    Cubs now down by 1, tying run on third, two down

    Playoffs, please e-mail me at, gotta send you the Roberto Card, and I’d like to share with you something


  40. JRay3 says:

    Reds playing this as pretty important game to try and snap losing streak, bringing in Chapman for four out save.

  41. Chico says:


    Line 1: 50 on the under
    Line 2: 100 on the under
    Line 3: 100 on the under

  42. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    100 on the UNDER for lines 1 and 2

  43. cosmo says:

    @ Playoffs

    line 1 – 100 under
    line 2 – 50 under
    line 3 – 50 under


  44. pghboyinca says:

    Barajas and Barmes are embarrassing, sit them both down.

  45. manny _sanguine says:


    50 on the UNDER for all three lines pls


  46. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs –

    Line 1 – 100 UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 UNDER
    Line 3 – 100 UNDER

  47. Bottom of the 9th and Reds up now 10-8.

  48. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wow, for those who haven’t put down bets yet, Volquez has a career 9.3 SO/9 against the Bucs. He has never lost to them, but only has one win in 7 games started.

  49. Curt says:


    100 on the UNDER for all 3.


  50. Bizrow says:

    Reds win, Crap

    Need the W tonight

  51. Cmat0829 says:

    Let’s go with 100 FUs on :

    1. Under
    2. Over
    3. Over.

  52. Thundercrack says:

    JMB (#26)
    I think I heard or read something Jeff Locke was saying about Tony Sanchez. He really praised him and said his defense is solid, is working great with the pitchers, really involved with them, and has become a leader on the team.

    Now if he could just raise the batting average.

  53. Milo Hamilton says:


    And the Padres have won 9 in a row at PNC Park. And in that 3 game sweep last August they outscored the Pirates 35-10.

  54. JMB says:


    Thank you for the info.

    That review def makes it sound like he has a chance to help the big club at some point.

  55. radio wave says:

    At playoffs:
    100?on the under on all lines.
    Reds beat cubs 10-8.

  56. JHadar says:

    Just saw that tonight’s game is the MLB.TV free game of the day.

    Sorry if that’s already been mentioned. I haven’t been around much the last few days. Chipped a tooth and the dentist says crown it don’t patch it. Then yesterday a friend of mine fell off a roof and wound up with some pretty serious injuries. I haven’t able to focus on much.

    Amazingly though, I look at the standings and we’re down 3 — which will be either 2.5 or 3.5 when the evening is over.

    MacDonald tonight. Hope the rest did him some good. Time for Pedro to heat up. Time to stop leaving men on third. Win tonight helps everything.

  57. Mike C. says:

    I missed a few games but now time to get back into this thing!
    #1 – 100 for OVER
    #2 – 100 for OVER
    #3 – 50 for OVER
    thank you

    this will be a fun series b4 the tough stretch against LA and St.Louis. I’m expecting the team to get hot after the somewhat disappointing split vs AZ.
    JMac, AJ, and Bedard starts. a very winnable series.

  58. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo–I still hope we can take 2 out of 3, but couldn’t bet on the sweep. I don’t think I’m alone, since lots of people haven’t even bet on the 3rd line. Hard to expect a sweep, even over a bad team.

  59. albatross says:


    Send your friend all of our best wishes.

  60. Arriba Wilver says:


  61. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s a good start.

  62. Reading says:


  63. JRay3 says:

    Is it just me or does it seem like we are giving up a lot of first inning runs of late?

  64. LuckyNKentucky says:

    20 pitches, and down a run. Otherwise, not terrible.

  65. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Sure seems that way. At least it was only 1.

  66. JRay3 says:

    Marte has turned into biggest threat on team on the base paths.

  67. Marte needs to give Cutch some hints on stealing.

  68. JRay3 says:

    And another hit for Travis Snider…like what I see from him… we are in business early, runners on corners.

  69. Milo Hamilton says:

    I got an e-mail from the Pirates today alerting me that playoff ticket info will in the mail soon. I meant to predict that would happen, but I forgot.

  70. JMB says:


  71. Milo Hamilton says:

    They’re not going to score, are they ?

  72. JRay3 says:

    # 3 and 4 guys in lineup have to be able to produce a run in that situation, ominous start.

  73. Sad state of affairs here. Likely not going to score. Come on Walker!!!

  74. Milo Hamilton says:

    Didn’t think so.

  75. JRay3 says:

    Well that was just garbage…need J-Mac to buckle down here

  76. Reading says:

    Looking at three straight pitches for a K- the patience at the plate advocate’s dream at bat.

  77. pattonbb says:

    nice 0-2 hit by the root of all evil…er, I mean Barmes.

  78. JMB says:

    MARTE !

  79. JRay3 says:

    It is becoming the Starling Marte show!

  80. JMB says:

    #17 4 #46

  81. Reading says:


  82. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    There’s usually no doubt when GI hits a homer.

  83. JRay3 says:

    GI Jones going, going, gone, 17th of year puts Bucs on top…he likes the low pitches.

  84. JRay3 says:

    Couple of nice things to see…J-Mac settling in on the mound just 56 pitches through four….and Barmes with two hits on the night makes a difference when he gives some production with the bat as evidenced by first run of game.

  85. Cmat0829 says:

    GI really is having a nice year. He may end up with 25 dingers……. What is Barmes BA since May 15?

  86. Snider crushed that pitch. 5-1 good guys after that three run bomb to right-center.

  87. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Snider man!

  88. JRay3 says:

    Travis Snider three run bomb….BIG! thanks NH

  89. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Looking good Snider.

  90. Don’t forget that JMac has also WALKED TWICE in the game.

  91. JRay3 says:

    @Cmat0829 – Since May 15th Barmes is 51-209 for a .244 avg.

  92. The Gunner says:

    @ NMR – 13

    JMac is doing well do far, hopefully he can keep it going. Nice HR by young Snider; if he keeps this up the Presley & Scabata (aka Jogata) eras will be over.

    Let’s go Garrett!!!

  93. Cmat0829 says:

    244 with good D is about as advertised for Barmes.

  94. Kevin says:

    Pitching change>?? There goes line 1 for me!!

  95. Wow. Marte looks like another, younger Cutch. Snider looks like a brilliant pickup. JMac looks as though he’s back in 1’st half leaderboard Ace form. Thanks Santa!

  96. @91 that is bizzare. ” Don’t forget that JMac has also WALKED TWICE in the game.”

  97. JMB says:

    El Toro!

  98. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Nice AB by Pedro.

  99. Big knock Pedro, big knock!!!

  100. The Gunner says:

    Mr. Alvarez is coming out of his funk

  101. JRay3 says:

    @ The Gunner – let’s hope so, nice to see the swing he put on that ball, maybe gets him going again.

  102. pattonbb says:

    Huge hit by Pedro

  103. The Gunner says:

    @ JRay3 – 102

    The rap on Jones & Alvarez is they have trouble with lefties. Well, they sure didn’t last inning, did they? CH has to keep running Jones & Alvarez out there everyday, I don’t care if a Sandy Koufax type lefty is pitching.

  104. The Gunner says:

    JMac can’t stand the security of a 6 run lead. He better get it back under control real quick!

  105. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Long, productive innings have a tendancy to reak havoc on pitchers, especially one that’s been on base twice. Hope he can get out of this.

  106. Reading says:

    Time to get Lincoln up.

  107. Ridiculous!!! That is why you can’t fall behind hitters. JMac has been doing that this inning.

  108. The Gunner says:

    The fair minded Pittsburgh fans are getting edgy

  109. Reading says:

    Good thing the Ump did not give Pedro the ball four he was looking for or it would be 5-4 right now.

  110. JMB says:

    Wake up Hurdle!

  111. Left him in WAAAAYYYYY too long this inning. Tie game after that 3-run shot.

  112. Reading says:

    Quality right there. At least the Reds lost. Oh wait…

  113. Arriba Wilver says:

    Clint’s going to catch it for this—and it will be deserved. JMac should have been gone before the 3 run homer. JMO

  114. JMB says:

    We can’t worry about individuals’ wins; this is a pennant race!

  115. Reds already won today, STL is tied, ATL is winning, and so is LA. SF plays later. We need to get more of the bats going now and hope the bullpen can hold it. Still only one out this inning.

  116. JRay3 says:

    Just stunned…too long a leash and now we have to win this game for a second time, hope we come back from this or this one may haunt us.

  117. Chico says:

    Yeah, listening to the announcers talk about giving him enough innings for the win… Just maddening. Hurdle has such a bad habit of this. Does it with Burnett at times too.

  118. Kevin says:

    Can’t see it….rhetorical question…what the HELL happened????

  119. The Gunner says:

    With another crappy pitching performance from JMac, how confident can you be sending the likes of him into high pressure, must win games? He has really stunk since the All Star break.

    There is no excuse for blowing the lead like he did tonight – I am totally disgusted with this guy.

  120. Kevin says:

    Time to rethink Correia in the bullpen…Six man rotation, anyone??

  121. Jones says:

    Correia might not be flashy, but I trust him much more than JMac at this point.

  122. Reading says:

    Unfortunately, just like a 7-1 lead turns into 7-7, fifteen games over can turn into two games over when you go through the motions.

  123. Cmat0829 says:

    Jmac needs to skip a start or two.

  124. Bucco_Jax says:

    I dont think there is much to rethink. J-Mac has way too high of a choke factor right now to be trusted with a game. He should have been pulled when it was 7-4. You could see how emotionally damaged he was almost immediately. He’s way too fragile to be starting every 5 days. Pull him out of the rotation and figure out what is wrong with him. 7-1! 7-1!

  125. The Gunner says:

    After watching the JMac circus time and time again, I totally understand why Correia is POed. Correia’s outings aren’t real pretty however, I don’t believe he has blown a lead like this one lately. Stinkcinnati keeps on winning and JMac has become our biggest liability.

    The wild card spot is in jeopardy with JMac going out there every 5th day. CH certainly screwed up tonight.

  126. Chuck H says:

    What a stupid a–hole manager we have. Any other manager would have had McDonald out of the game when the score was 7-3. I could manage better than that. That has been the problem all season. Not yanking your pitcher soon enough. A sure win has turned to a loss for the Buccos.

  127. Bucco_Jax says:

    I can’t wait to hear Hurdle’s post game interview. I really want to hear his reasoning for leaving J-Mac in there.

  128. Kevin says:


    I would take that option as well…as long as SOMEBODY rethinks Correia as a bullpen guy…

  129. The Gunner says:

    @ Chuck – 126

    I really like Hurdle, there’s so much good he has done. But I agree with what you say – he gave JMac way too much rope tonight. And, once again, JMac hung himself. It is a MUST that JMac is immediately removed from the starting rotation.

  130. Chuck H says:

    I don’t blame McDonald as much as I blame Hurdle. What kind of manager leaves in a pitcher who obviously doesn’t have it anymore???

  131. JRay3 says:

    What’s done is done (although tough to argue sitting J-Mac down a turn or two)….Resop comes in and steadies the ship…now let’s get him some runs and focus on getting the W here.

  132. JMac implosion. Holy crap.

  133. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    There’s no reason to not put JMac in the bullpen…..He’s had one great half of baseball in his career. Nothing else…..

  134. I need a pain reliever.

  135. Mike Shigley says:

    My oh my. How one half inning can make it seem that the Pirates have been eliminated from the post season.
    On a happier note, Gerrit Cole pitched 5 1/3 for Altoona tonight, 3 hits, 3 walks, 6 strikeouts, no runs, and 52 of 90 pitches for strikes.

  136. Kevin says:


    As someone who has been with our beloved Pirates ALL my life (born 1970) you should know that I will NEVER give up on this team…NEVER. I accept the mistakes, I listen to the critics and I ignore the lunatics…It’s a visceral reaction when I see 7-1 one inning then 7-7 the next!!

    My point…THANK YOU for the Cole info. I will always believe in the future of this team.

  137. JRay3 says:

    Hot Rod! Bucs retake lead! Add-on now.

  138. Resop’s job is impossible situations. I admire his work.

  139. Reading says:

    Nice job by Resop.

  140. JRay3 says:

    Mercer comes in on double switch and immediately makes a big play….seven outs to go.

  141. Reading says:

    Well, maybe NH should have pulled the trigger on the alleged Headly trade.

  142. Bizrow says:


  143. Bucco_Jax says:

    If this turns out to be a loss; which given the pitching I can’t see how it won’t be one. This is about as inexcusable as they come.

  144. Bizrow says:

    NH is gawd

    Rob might have a point or two

  145. Bucco_Jax says:

    How long until AJ pitches again?

  146. JRay3 says:

    Well CH mystifies with his pitching moves today…pulls Resop without a hint of trouble, keeps J-Mac in with all sorts of trouble.

    Time to see what this team is made of. This would be a tough loss to swallow.

  147. JaxBuc says:

    It’s only the 7th inning, fellas. Have some faith.

  148. Reading says:

    We need to get Marte up one more time.

  149. Milo Hamilton says:

    In a game like this, at an important stage of the season, your MVP candidate needs to act like one.

  150. Milo Hamilton says:

    Or not.

  151. Jandy says:

    JHadar, I distrust crowns, but you likely trust your dentist. Good luck. Sorry to hear about your friend, I will send up some p******s for him.

    buggee, don’t be knocking Snider, he had a nice blast tonight!

  152. JRay3 says:

    Nothing going through heart of the order….really need to some 9th inning heroics.

  153. Reading says:

    A new seizure-inducing commercial. Where’s the Billy Ocean spot?

  154. Milo Hamilton says:

    By the way, that extra days rest for the starters really worked like a charm.

  155. Naje says:

    Is this the 2012 version of the Meals fiasco?

    Need some guys to step up big-time… JMac needs a break… about 15 days worth of a break.

  156. Luckily, STL lost, BUT ATL and LA won.

  157. Milo Hamilton says:

    Pedro got Huston Street in that big comeback against the Rockies a couple years ago. That’s all I got.

  158. Naje says:

    Hey Milo,
    The starters weren’t doing very well before the extra day off, either.

  159. Milo Hamilton says:


    Quiet down. The kids are trying to sleep.

  160. JRay3 says:

    Qualls does his job…need some bats!

  161. Reading says:

    You know Dorf will take a perfecto into the 8th on Sunday. You just know it.

  162. Jandy says:

    I’m wanting to chew my nails

  163. Reading says:

    Earl Weaver needs to protest Street coming off the rubber in his motion.

  164. Jandy says:


  165. JRay3 says:

    Unreal should be a four pitch walks

  166. Milo Hamilton says:

    The 1st 4 pitches to Pedro were out of the strike one, he didn’t swing at any of them. And the count was 2-2.

  167. Jandy says:

    so it’s up to the Fort

  168. The Gunner says:

    Appalling, appalling, appalling!!!!!

  169. Jandy says:


  170. JMB says:

    That stank!

  171. Jandy says:

    Street pulled something

  172. JRay3 says:

    This one hurts….no way you should lose with six run lead….2-3 to start the 11 game home stand….have to hope the rest of weekend is better.

  173. Milo Hamilton says:

    Got a feeling that when the story of the 2012 Pirates is finally written, tonight will get its own chapter.

  174. Bucco_Jax says:

    7-1 lead should never turn into a 9-8 loss!!

  175. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wow. This was a bad one.

    Looks like a hammy for Street.

  176. TDB1977 says:

    Embarassing. Blow a 7-1 lead. JMac needs to spend some serious time in the bullpen. This stinks horribly.

  177. pattonbb says:

    This one is going to sting for a little while….dang.

  178. djinwestpa says:


  179. Arriba Wilver says:

    Good thing we didn’t get Headley.

  180. djinwestpa says:

    This is what Pirates fans call “the Jerry Meals game.”

  181. Milo Hamilton says:

    Where’s Mike Therrien when you need him ? “They soff.”

  182. Arriba Wilver says:

    Can we blame this on Barmes?

  183. Drew71 says:

    You guys. You’re missing it.

    Whose fault is it?

    Sports Illustrated has a Pirates feature and they NEVER WIN AGAIN.

  184. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    That game stings. Really, really stings. The UNDER wins for tonight’s game and the UNDER wins for the series wins line. If I am unable to get any more lines up for this weekend, I hope you all are safe and LET’S GO BUCS!!

    @Mlrgenuine, where are you all sitting for Saturday’s game? I’m way up in the bleeders.

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  185. RobertoForever says:

    Hurdle just said in postgame that Correia will make his next start on regular rest.

  186. Boise Bucco says:

    Hey, JMac’s pretty good for 4 innings, and we need a new Brad Lincoln-type

  187. Mlrgenuine says:

    @Playoffs. We are in section 319.

  188. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Shoot me an e-mail at
    Maybe we can meet up for a beer.

  189. twentytwo22 says:

    It’s past time for the Pirates to sac up on this 11 game homestand but tonight would be a good time to start. They can still win this series.

    Monday win
    Tuesday choke job
    Wednesday attempted choke job foiled by Hanrahan striking out the side
    Thursday choke job
    Friday choke job

    How about picking your 5 best starting pitchers and roll with them? Instead of playing the schedule they are allowing the schedule to play them. They went 14-6 earlier in the season in more difficult circumstances. 3-5 now and they’re looking like a small-time small-stage team. I’m sick of it.

  190. Milo Hamilton says:


    Sometimes I swear you read my mind & post exactly what I’m thinking. I agree with you completely on the starting rotation. And McDonald’s not one of the 5 right now. I think they’re suffering paralysis of analysis.

  191. twentytwo22 says:

    The Pirates are 10-0 when A.J. Burnett starts at PNC Park. On an 11 game homestand Burnett is going to start 1 time.

  192. JMB says:

    Yesterday=Tough day.

    Machado hits 2 bombs for the Orioles while Jamo is still in A+ ball.

    Maholm pitched a CG, 3-hit shutout.

    The team blew a 7-1 lead in the 7th cuz Hurdle wanted to boost J-Mac’s confidence/get him the win by going five full.

    Oh well, win the next two is all they can do.

  193. JMB says:

    in the 5th*

  194. Leefoo says:

    I wonder if JMac has any options left? Perhaps he can get sent down to right his ship?

    We now have ONE dependable starter. All the rest are pitching like #5’s unfortunately.

    We need the McDonald of the first half! To somewhat quote an old song “Jimmy Mac, when are you coming back?”.

    Let’s hope AJ is on again.



  195. Leefoo says:

    Perhaps they should start Locke instead of JMac?


  196. Milo Hamilton says:


    Convenience list.

  197. Leefoo says:

    Milo….no comprende “convenience list”


    After last night, methinks we shudda traded for Chase….I’d laugh if I wasn’t still crying in my morning tea!

    Lipton Tea Blubbering Foo


  198. bobhasis says:

    Since every major trade for a hitter (corner outfield and first base) and/or a starting pitcher that has been discussed for three months included the name of Starling Marte, we now know why those trades were never made.

    Starling is a cornerstone which everyone in baseball knew for a long time and we have witnessed only now. I give NH a large commendation for resisting. I would say if we had Marte up here since mid-June, the division standings would be very different.

    He has some rough edges – so does Bryce Harper. My feelings are Marte is far superior in ALL of the five tool categories, and may even score better in the Rookie of the Year voting.

    But that’s just my opinion, keeping in mind I’m the one who tried to alert you about CH’s (you know him as Manager of the Year?) in-game incompetence, and propensity to use Barmes while Mercer just watched and the offensive inadequacies of Pedro and Barajas.

    Mercer has a stroke and drives the ball and Barmes has a lunge and wave, and plops the ball to short right center. Being fair and balanced, I’m not yet convinced about Mercer’s arm.

    I didn’t hear many of the Hurdlers chirping like magpies last night, but did notice some of the dissenters. No matter, as the Yankees did with Casey Stengel, we’ll win despite him.

  199. JMB says:

    Chase H. looked good last night, but Snider in a small-sample size is looking pretty darned impressive.

    I dont know how much I blame JMac for last night. He got Hurdled. A competitor will want to battle, but a mgr must make the tough choices.

  200. Leefoo says:

    JMB…JMac looked like the JMac of old until the 5th….that long inn must’ve zapped him.

    And my comment about trading for Chase was so that, if we had him, he wouldn’t have hit those 2 HRs against us. Shudda been clearer.

    I love Snyder!


    bobhasis….as Arriba will tell you, I am NO fan of Clint’s in-game managing ability. However, to Clint’s credit, he DID say he made the wrong decision leaving JMac out there.


  201. Leefoo says:

    Inexplicable Clint move # 578:

    “Pirates skipper Clint Hurdle said after the game that they will slide Kevin Correia into the rotation moving forward and will currently go with a six-man rotation.

    They stack up as follows: A.J. Burnett on Saturday, Erik Bedard Sunday, Jeff Karstens Monday, Kevin Correia Tuesday, Wandy Rodriguez Wednesday and McDonald Thursday.

    Lefty Jeff Locke, who made his season debut last night, still remains with the club. Hurdle said he was not available in relief today due to the 2.1 innings he tossed and will be reevaluated on Saturday.”

    Hey Clint….doncha think you should leave AJ on his regular turn and rotate all the rest of the guys? This is the opposite of what Mauch did in ’64.


  202. cosmo says:


    i think you are onto something here. Don’t you have to keep AJ on his his normal day.
    Why mess with his routine.

  203. bobhasis says:


    Vince Lombardi always said, “Never make the same mistake once”. Profound advice.

    I can accept CH’s mea culpa, but he has too many questionable decisions on his resume for this year.

  204. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–I think that’s what they said they are doing—leaving AJ on his regular turn. The comment about Correia was not that he would be going on every 5th day, but that his next start would be on his 5th day, and he alerted the media before the game they would have an announcement on the pitching after the game, and that was apparently it.

  205. bobhasis says:

    . . . . . .and Leefoo, Correia should not have been tampered with in the first place. Hurdle never really took a close look at JMac’s downward trending. So now we get the new CH revelation that Correia is back in rotation. What a shock. The man wins six or seven in a row and gets yanked because Hurdle has a whim that Wandy is the new Sandy Koufax

  206. Arriba Wilver says:

    Huh? Where’s the GM in all this about Hurdle and Correia? A bystander?

    bob—so now you’re a mind reader, too? By the way, the Sandy Koufax comment is one example of what I earlier referred to as “over the top” comments, not to mention Hurdle’s bad decision last night allegedly proving you’ve been right all along.

  207. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I thought Hurdle’s mis-management of the 5th inning last night might bring you back, Bob. Still won’t accept that nomination for the president of the CH Fan Club? Foo could be your VP.

  208. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–the convenience list is what the DL has been referred to here because of its sometimes coincidental use for moves that they wanted to make anyway, especially related to the 40 man.

  209. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lucky–you’re so much nicer than me, while still getting the same point across. My hat is off to you, Sir.

  210. Thundercrack says:

    I don’t think this 6 man rotation is a knee-jerk reaction. They have been talking about it for a while. Or at least contemplating it.

    I like Mercer, but if you compare his offensive stats they are very similar to Barmes. And Barmes is way better in the field.

    It seems to me that it is difficult to compare the progress of draft picks ( Machado vs Taillon) when one is a pitcher and the other a position player.

    Foo, switch to coffee.

    DK: Hey, everybody! TC thinks management did the right thing!

    (Sorry. Too easy. I really don’t care about the 6-man. I’m just waiting for the very first thing the front office does that you find even moderately distasteful.)

  211. Leefoo says:

    Arriba…I don’t think AJ IS going on his regular day. IF so, he’d be going on Thursday, instead of JMac, right?

    : A.J. Burnett on Saturday, Erik Bedard Sunday, Jeff Karstens Monday, Kevin Correia Tuesday, Wandy Rodriguez Wednesday and start the 5 man rotation all over again on Thursday!


    TC….I’m not saying the 6 man is a knee-jerk. Not keeping AJ on his regular rotation is just downright stoopid! You want your best starter to make MORE starts (or at least as many as he should), not the opposite, ie, less!

    TC…Coffee sucks. Coffee is for commoners. Tea is for the refined upper class!!


    TC….How can you compare Mercer’s stats to Barmes when, up until the Az series he started once every full moon? Put him out there every day and let Barmes be the little used backup SS (and defensive replacement)!


    BobHasis….stick to your guns! Clint is a great guy and clubhouse/media manager. But he is terrible at in-game decisions. Headscratching Clint….maybe he’s chewing too much bubblegum at one time?

    :) :)


  212. Thundercrack says:

    DK: Hey, everybody! TC thinks management did the right thing!

    (Sorry. Too easy. I really don’t care about the 6-man. I’m just waiting for the very first thing the front office does that you find even moderately distasteful.)
    Well DK, I see your snide reflexes are still working.

    And this isn’t the first time you have made this type of comment to me. I believe a couple of weeks ago you posted “DK thinks the FO was wrong. Film at 11″.
    ( I just wish I could give you a dose of your own medicine and provide a link to those comments and tell you to re-read it)

    I think we’re just a couple of thick-skinned cherrypickers

  213. Leefoo says:

    TC & DK…if you guys would switch to tea, it would solve a myriad of problems.

    Maraschino Cherry-pickin’ Foo


  214. bobhasis says:

    AW, let’s just simply agree to disagree. You and I can never be on the same page re.: CH.

    But you have been alerted – so just watch and consider his decisions.

    I wish he’d put just one more bubble gum ball in his mouth in prep for his post-game comments. He’d be more understandable.

    AW, you know the GM has no input as to on-field decisions, unless he has doubt about his manager. The rotation SHOULD be the manager’s area. The exception is in the cases of Barmes and Barajas where NH wants his money’s worth.

  215. Thundercrack says:

    I’m not saying that going to a 6 man rotation is right or wrong. I don’t know. But I got the sense from reading some of the posts that some thought it was a panic/knee-jerk reaction. My sense may be wrong, but I wanted to bring up the point that I’ve heard NH and CH talk about it for a few weeks.

    But my latest prediction is that if AJ has a few rocky starts people will yell that CH should have given AJ the benefit of the extra day of rest in a 6 man rotation rather than leaving him on his regular 5 day turn.

    Barmes’ swing is ugly. But I think the results with the bat are going to be just about the same with Mercer. ( And I like Mercer!)

  216. Naje says:

    Foo and Bob…

    Yeah, I want to hate on a manager that led a team — a miserable, no-talent, low-budget team — to a 15 game improvement in 2011… and to 14 games above .500 on August 10, 2012.

    Yeah, he’s terrible… has no clue what he’s doing. None whatsoever… the game’s over his head (his MENSA brain, by the way). And he knows nothing about getting the most out of a team that has very little in the way of starting pitching in the last 30 days… a bullpen that is having issues and bats that have trouble driving in RISP.

    Yep, he is just the WORST manager ever.

    No clue what you’re talking about in your incessant rips of Hurdle. You call him out for last night’s mis-handling of JMac, fine… I do too. But for cripes sakes, enough with it… I’m sure you have all the answers and know what a clubhouse and a dugout feel like in the pressure of a pennant race.

    Right… you don’t. Nor do most of these players… and they’re faltering. It’s not easy to patch the holes in leaky boat and balance the fine lines among concern for the now, building for the future and outright panic… especially when you’re trying to help the guys who have never been in this situation from avoiding that type of panic.

    AJ has pitched 22 straight starts (or whatever number it’s up to at this point) and an extra day isn’t going to kill him or anyone else. The pitchers need their legs… JMac’s lost command of his fastball and his curveball and a combination of tired legs, playoff pressure and a little bit of doubt = a 6 run inning when you’ve been given a 7-1 lead.

    So whatever it is you’re feeling about Hurdle… we know already. If you want to avoid these debates, don’t bring him up because I will counter your weak, lame arguments every chance I get. (Save for removing JMac last night in the 5th.)


  217. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I can’t wait for DK to get home. If he and TC can irritate each other while he’s across the pond in merry ol’ England, imagine the fun when they’re together under the realm of Old Glory. You have to love this blog.

    Thanks. It comes from experience.

    I’m on record as a Hurdle-lover, the man, the myth and the legend, but he made a mistake last night. As for what I could see on Gameday, neither he nor Searage even made a trip to the mound when things were caving for JMac, but he admitted it later, which is what men do. We all make mistakes. I saw you’re Vince Lombardi quote and it was excellent, but impossible for a human to accomplish. Tonight will be a big test for the entire team, Hurdle included.

  218. Naje says:

    “never make the same mistake once…”

    That’s a God-complex, isn’t it? And Lombardi had a wee bit of one…

    Live by that quote and I’ll show you a person that lives in constant fear of making a mistake. All sound and fury, taken out of context, and signifying precious little. Great line to which many should aspire, but that’s why engineers test and re-test and re-test and re-test again their wonderful ideas… you know, to keep that bridge standing with tons of force and weight is acting on it.

  219. RobertoForever says:

    No worries folks. AJ is pitching tonight, and I am putting on the line my personal 9-0 record by the Pirates when I am rooting for them in person. Pirates win tonight 6-3. The stopper does it again.

    I wonder how the Reds fans reacted when they lost 5 in a row.

  220. bobhasis says:

    Lucky, and AW and Naje et al:

    Brief response; I was emphatically in favor of Hurdle, as a replacement for Russell. Over the course of this year, his errors of omission and commission are magnified because of our – or his if you prefer – success.

    To maintain that success, the margin for error is far less than last year, when he could bumble and no one really cared. This year is different.

    Quite frankly, I DO NOT hold against him his poor judgement on JMac last night. Often that is hard to visualize or determine, when to pull the pitcher, unless the catcher gives him an indication that the pitcher’s stuff is doing nothing. I didn’t notice if Barajas did that.

    My major complaints are his continuing use of Barmes, his incompetent coach at third base,
    his team’s inability to bunt when he calls for such (I think bunting to sacrifice sucks), meddling with the line-up (Walker is the classic two hole hitter), Fort will never be a five hole hitter, his unwillingness to use JHay more (anywhere but right field), etc.

    But if a person feels differently toward CH than I, none of these things will be relevent. Hence nothing I say would matter.

    But these are my feelings and opinions, among others omitted for brevity’s sake.


  221. Thundercrack says:

    The line from a few weeks ago was “TC thinks the FO was wrong. Film at 11″.
    Foo may actually right about something, I should consider switching to tea (never going to happen…I am addicted to coffee, and that Starbucks is my favorite kind too)

    Excellent points Lucky. All of them.

    The other night at the game I said to someone sitting close to me “The Pirates lost the other day 10-4. It doesn’t seem like we’ve given up double digit runs and lost too many times this year. Before Clint it seemed like it happened a couple time a week”.

  222. Thundercrack says:

    I wonder how the Reds fans reacted when they lost 5 in a row.

    They wanted to fire the manager.


  223. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just checked out the comments in and around McDonald’s meltdown. Funny how no one was screaming at Hurdle to pull him before he gave up the tying homer. Sure it turned out to be the wrong decision. Retrospect is a luxury managers don’t have.

  224. bobhasis says:


    the quote I used of Lombardi, was his alone. He originated the thought as a way to get agross to his players, there is no room for mediocrity.

    Conversely, your reference to it being a God-like complex could not be more inaccurate, because God knows we are human and prone to mistakes (sin). He justs seeks your contrition and offers His forgiveness in return.

  225. bobhasis says:

    Milo, I do have one question; why did CH leave Watson in to face 4 or 5 right-handed batters in a row, one of whom was Headley when he delivered the game winning HR? Was there no right handed relief in the bullpen at that moment?

  226. RobertoForever says:


    I just asked Clint. He left Tony in because his stats are as good against righties as lefties. Tony is not a LOOGY.

  227. Mike Shigley says:

    In the midst of all this lamentation and backbiting, here is a link to Gerrit Cole’s performance last night.

  228. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo–I didn’t post it in time, but right hand to bobhasis, I was thinking prior to the home run that Clint should take JMac out.

  229. Reading says:

    One of these days, our shorstop’s fielding of all grounders by standing off to the side, waving at the ball with one hand, and forcing an unnecessary jump throw on the run is going to come back to haunt us. Let’s just hope it is not late in the one-game Wild Card.

  230. patrick(RI) says:

    in the midst of all the lamenting about too much time for Barmes and not enough for Harrison, here are a story and a few quotes from the Red Sox Mgr. about a player we threw out with the trash last winter: “It speaks to Ciriaco’s expanding role and the manner in which he’s handled sporadic playing time. Even as he has bounced from second, to short to DH to the bench, CP has maintained an unexpectedly high level pf production. Entering friday, he was hitting .341 in 28 games. Valentine has been impressed with how the 26 yr old has handled (it) . . . “he’s a pretty good player. He should have been playing the outfieled. He should have been playing 3rd base, but we needed him to play second (Pedroia injury). He seems too valuable to me to not be more versatile . . . I would think if we could get him into the right situation in winter ball where he could play a different position every day for 40 days, it would be immensely valuable. Then again, maybe just play one position and have that position be his next year.” Providence Journal, 8/11/20012

    I have had to watch him perform brillliantly, including two game-winners against the Yankees, fine defense at 2nd and SS, not to mention stealing bases and pinch hitting (home run last time). Alas . . .

  231. Milo hamilton says:


    I take your word for it. It never crossed my mind. I was trying to figure out how to get him through that inning & the 6th. He needs to go on the convenience list. We need to pick 5 pitchers & pitch them. They’re totally over-thinking this. And the fact that they’re worried about fixing problems that don’t exist worries me. Panic, perceived or real, gets picked up on by the players. J-Mac is a problem, fix that & leave everyone else alone.

  232. The Gunner says:

    @ Patrick (RI)

    That is one amazing article you reference about Pedro Ciriaco. Frankly, he never got much of a chance with the Pirates but when he got his opportunities, he looked like he had some promise. But then again, what do I know. I guess the Bucs left him go because they didn’t think he had much to offer.


    Fellow bloggers, what happened last night was an absolute disgrace. It is pretty clear that James McDonald has been struggling big time since the All Star break. They have babied this guy to the Nth degree and the results are the same. He needs to come out of the rotation IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY!!!!

  233. Arriba Wilver says:

    For what it’s worth, Teke after the game was adamant that JMac’s problem was in his head. He didn’t give a lot of explanation, but he mentioned it very definitely, and on more than one occasion. Not saying Tekes right about everything, but that was clearly his view.

  234. patrick(RI) says:


    I, also, liked what I saw last year. Va;entine was impressed with him in ST, and said so, then. When he got his chance, and some regular play, he produced. I hate to pile on, when the Pirates are really having quite a year, but I wish we would quit throwing away talent for nothing.

  235. Milo,

    I agree with you 100 %.

    The right decision does not always lead to the right result.

    I will confess that I was one last night that agreed with Clint Hurdle in leaving JMac in. He had retired 11 in a row before the downfall with one out. It just did NOT seem that the Padres could get to him for 7 straight guys on base. At 7 – 4, I thought about yanking him, but it seemed that it was worth it to have him succeed at struggling and overcoming. When the two guys got on before Headley, I would not have been disappointed in Hurdle removing him, yet I saw the value of JMac throwing a doubleplay ball and taking something good from all of this. Hurdle tried to boost him; it didn’t work. ONE GAME gets magnified in a pennant race, but the Pirates cannot make a serious run without a bonafide #2 Starter. There’s still 7 weeks to go!

    The right decision does not always lead to the right result.

    I also believe a 6 man rotation is foolish. Why delay the one guy who is dealin’? JMac should have gone on the Convenience List after his last start like I/we called for. Get him on the side or in the bullpen and let him build himself back up . . . . neck up!

  236. Thundercrack says:

    Ha! Yes, we should have kept Ciriaco.

    Can someone look up Ciriaco’s stats while he was in the minor leagues and tell me if he ‘profiled’ as a player who was going to become a star in 2012?

    Can someone please look up his batting average in his previous seasons of winter ball.

    Remember all the angst R. Cedeno caused last season? If Ciriaco was better than RC – or had shown the promise that he was going to be better than RC- don’t you think they would have played him more than RC? Especially after the collapse last year?

    Oh how I wish I could have read and heard the reaction when NH would have announced at Pirate Fest “We’re going with Pedro Ciriaco as our shortstop in 2012″.

    And I like Pedro Ciriaco!

  237. Arriba Wilver says:

    TC—you’re going to get scolded by DK again.

  238. Thundercrack says:

    I think acquiring Ciriaco was a great trade by the FO.
    And I think getting rid of him was a brilliant move by the FO.


  239. Leefoo says:

    Naje/Nage….Clint is a heckuva clubhouse manager. Maybe without peer.

    But, I will continue to question his in-game management until he proves otherwise.

    And, as DK and others have pointed out….managers make very little difference in overal W-L. Look at Jim Tracy, Casey Stengel, Leyland, etc. When they had good teams, they won. When they had BAD teams they didn’t.

    And, we KNOW you love Clint, so don’t bash us for having a different opinion than you, okay? Not much you can say that will change my mind. Now, Clint, if he ever figures out what he is doing in making out a lineup or game mgmt, THEN, and ONLY then, will I change my mind about him.

    How ‘good’ would this team be if AMac was hitting .280 or AJ NOT been traded to us?

    My point exactly.


  240. What a conundrum for BMTIB: continue to play Ronny Cedeno, whom we have obtained in trade, or go with unproven Pedro Ciriaco, whom we also have obtained in trade?!

    Solution: cut them both and start fresh with free agent Clint Barmes.

    Strike ONE! Strike TWO! Strike THREE!! You’re OUTTA THERE!!

  241. Thundercrack says:

    I am looking up his stats, but what jumps out at me is that he has a total of 85 at bats with Boston this season.

  242. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–if the Manager don’t matter to the W-L, why bash him? His in game management must be next to meaningless.

  243. Thundercrack says:

    Maybe I was wrong. Ciriaco’s 8-year minor league batting average was .272

    I changed my mind. This FO can’t do anything right.

  244. Thundercrack says:

    Let’s call a CH truce…and get back to bashing John Russell.

  245. JMB says:

    @TC is feisty today –keeps the blog poppin’.

    Thanks TC!

  246. Leefoo says:

    AW….that’s a somewhat good point, but if yinz can praise him, can’t we bash him?

    Should Bob and I get bashed because we don’t think his game management is any good?

    I still think Lloyd was the best. Give him this team and well….since managers don’t mean diddley, then…


  247. Leefoo says:

    TC…I’ll REALLY bash JR and the blameless Tracy….lol.

    IF AW thinks I am bashing Hurdle, he hasn’t seen anything….:) :)

    But, I like the truce idea….



  248. Thundercrack says:

    The funny thing is that near the end I was not a fan of Lloyd.
    To me they all run the same game, but I thought Lloyd was a bit too emotional.

    I was happy when they hired Tracy, then at the end of his reign I totally could not stand him.

    JR – no comment.

  249. JMB says:

    Bashing a mgr (or GM) for a questionable decision is part of baseball.

    I don’t think anyone is saying Hurdle should be fired. He is a component — how key is debatable — of taking a team that went 57-105 in 2010, to 72-90 in 2011, and possibly .500+ team in 2012.

    Many in Pirate fandom wanted J-Mac pulled when it was 7-4, but what’s done is done. We can only hope that CH does better next time.

  250. Thundercrack says:

    Who was not available in the pen for last night’s game?

    Locke & Hughes. Was there anyone else?

  251. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t praise him, Foo, out of the blue. Almost all of my comments about Clint are in defense to what I believe are unjust criticisms or over the top characterizations critical of Clint. And bob isn’t getting bashed because he doesn’t like Clint’s “game management.”

  252. JRay3 says:

    @ JMB – have to agree what’s done is done….time to see how mentally tough this team is tonight. It is my hope they do not let the loss linger as long as it has for us fans.

    The team has preached one game at a time and turn the page, well tonight’s is important with the one ace we have on the hill.

    Still 2.5 games up in the playoff chase and still 6 home games left to salvage the home stand.

  253. Arriba Wilver says:

    Did anybody see any report on what happened to Street on the last play? Is he available tonight?

  254. JMB says:

    Padres closer Huston Street entered Friday’s series opener against the Pirates in the ninth inning with a one-run lead. The right-hander needed just 11 pitches to retire the side in order and secure the 9-8 win. Street, who collected his 21st save of the season, strained his calf while covering first base on the final out and is expected to be re-evaluated Saturday. “We got some ice on it,” manager Bud Black told “We don’t know the significance of it. As always, we’ll see how it sets up overnight. But my early premonition is that it’s going to put him out for a while. Hopefully I’m wrong.”

  255. The Gunner says:

    Today’s talk he Pedro Ciriaco talk is absolutely hilarious. That would have been a great PR move for NH if he had announced that Ciriaco would be the starting SS.

    If Teke says JMac is a head case, I’d be inclined to agree with him as he is a pretty astute guy. Whatever way you slice it, he can’t continue to go out there every 5 th day – it’s pretty much a guaranteed loss.

    Someone has got to step up………….real quick!!

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