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By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (64-51) vs. Los Angeles Dodgers (63-53)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Los Angeles RHP Chad Billingsley

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Travis Snider, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Kevin Correia, RHP


  1. RobertoForever says:

    This lineup will invoke some howling. Maybe some mewling, too.

  2. Jandy says:

    Ehh…it’s not THAT bad lol

  3. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I have no problem with it really…………

  4. NMR says:

    Barajas is the only one thats even worth questioning. Silly Roberto.

  5. Jandy says:

    NMR, well, there ARE those who can’t stand Barmes, you know ;)

  6. Karen22 says:

    The howling is Barajas over McHenry!! At this point, this is NUTS! What does he have on Hurdle, eh? There’s no other explanation.

    Disgusted in Indiana, PA

  7. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    say it with me Jandy


    But seriously, who could really be surprised by the lineup? If the non-killer bees do their job on defense (except throwing base stealers out) then they did their job. Any offense they provide is bonus.

    But, I would rather see The Fort in there.

  8. Jandy says:

    Karen, I hear ya, lady. But I guess you have to give him SOME playing time. I do like the Fort better, tho.

  9. Jandy says:


  10. JMB says:

    I wont mewl, but Fort should be playing. And Manny Machado would sure look good in that #8 spot.

  11. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Today’s OVER / UNDER (always for fun of course)

    LINE #1
    Total Runs Allowed by Kevin Correia in Tonight’s Game
    Line is 3.5
    (This is Total Runs Allowed, NOT Total Earned Runs Allowed)


  12. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    He was my hoping pick as well……..easier to find a decent SS than a dominant pitcher though.

    Except for NH of course.

  13. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I’m in a slump. And people say the Pirates are starting a collapse.

    With that………hmm

  14. Cmat0829 says:

    Let’s go under for 100 FUs Alex.

  15. redus says:

    Fort got the crap beat out of him last night behind the plate – You bet he deserves a night off in the middle of August after that…fresh is better than frozen and I am betting Fort had a buttload of ice on last night

  16. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    LINE 1: 100 OVER

    But Buccos win

  17. Jandy says:

    redus, I had forgotten about that, but you’re right. He really took some hard balls to the body last night. Barajas better step it up and fill Fort’s shoes!

  18. JMB says:


    100 on the OVER


  19. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Really need to watch how you say some things sometimes…

  20. Bizrow says:


    I reluctantly go with my head and wager 100 OVAH

  21. tdb1977 says:

    The fort might be getting the day off after taking a few foul balls off the head in last nights game. There were a couple of them that really clocked him good. The two times I really remember him getting hit pretty good was when Walker went to the mound on one pitch and Jones went on the other pitch to give him a few seconds to recover.

  22. The Gunner says:

    @ Ryan – 103 (earlier blog) / last sentence “The pitching needs to step it up.”

    Thank you for getting on my bandwagon about the pitching – this is the root of the problem with the Buccos right now. Despite the fact that some of their key players are not contributing offensively as of late, they are still scoring runs. But the difference now is the pitchers are blowing too many leads.

    In plain terms, the pitchers appear to be running out of gas. And, the truth is if Victorino was here instead of LA, the results wouldn’t be much different.

    Let’s hope for the best tonight – I think Correia will scrap thru and have a good game.

  23. I agree strongly with NMR late on previous thread: (not the early Gabby/Snider stuff)

    It’s not that McCutch is being pitched differently so much.
    1/ He is missing fastballs—FASTBALLS—he hit in June and July.
    2/ He looks to be trying to pull everything. No wonder they pitch him on the outer half! He is so much better when he hits to right and right center!

    When you combine McCutch not hitting with authority with Pedro having no HRs, 1 extra base hit, and 2 RBIs in his last 19 games . . . . . . no wonder Bucs are 16-14 in last 30.

    Still, all in all, it comes down to the starting pitching, and Bucs have been inconsistent at best, mediocre at most since July 20.

  24. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I’m not on any bandwagon…….but its clear that the pitching has lost some steam. THAT, or the other teams have found ways to get to them.

    Pitchers get touched up from time to time…….no big deal and I don’t worry about that.

    I thought Karstens did a good job last night, from what I was able to see anyways. The bullpen, especially 7-8 guys have been used quit often and could be tiring in this ugly summer heat.

  25. redus says:

    I’m with you on Correia Gunner…I just hope that his tendancy to go down a run or two early doesn’t end up feeling like same ol same old.

    How long after the Baltimore series did it take these guys to heat up? This feels exactly like that…If I recall, baltimore was the first team to put up any signifcant amount of runs on the pitching staff.

  26. Reading says:

    Cutch is still in HR Derby mode.

  27. Karen22 says:

    100 on the OVER. Hope I’m wrong. Hope if I’m right, we overcome it. Need to at least split this series.

    I forgot that the baseball got the best of Fort a few times last night. But Rod really, really needs to step up and SOON. He’s missing a good pennant race.

  28. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Please tell me you’re joking with #26

  29. Jandy says:

    Ryan, that was half intentional LOL! My bad…

  30. Reading says:

    Here’s a possible future line, over/under 11.5 for number of outs contributed to by Pirates batters 6 through 9 at the plate.

  31. redus says:

    Good way to put it Karen – When the pitching isn’t strong enough to give him credit for calling the game and that violent swing is only producing elevator shaft homers, then he is truly missing a good pennant race.

    I think once the arms get figured out, this team need a dose of Tabata. Do it Do it, Tabata and Cola Do it.

  32. Karen22 says:

    Also agree with Groat and NMR on Cutch’s funk. He’s missing 92-93 MPH fastballs that he torched a month ago. AND—he most certainly IS trying to pull everything. Thus, the dinky ground balls to short or GB singles. It’s been glaringly obvious to hubby and moi. C’mon, Cutch—you’re better than this!

    And Petey…whoa!

  33. Reading says:

    All of my posts are jokes except the ones that might not be.

  34. Jandy says:

    and my thoughts exactly…’re joking, right?

  35. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    When you’re looking for offspeed down and away, you tend to miss even the slow 92-93 MPH fastball.

  36. The Gunner says:

    @ Ryan – 24

    Whether you are on my bandwagon or not is irrelevant. At least you recognize that pitching is a major problem with the Bucs now.

    The Bucs have to win tonight to at least stay 5 games back, we can’t count on the Mets to help us out with Stinkcinnati tonight.

  37. Boise Bucco says:

    22 noted the other day (before last night’s game) that the Bucs are now 31-15 with PRNW batting 2nd. Just sayin’…

  38. Jandy says:

    Well, gotta get some heavy paperwork done…maybe catch all you guys (and ladies) later…Go Bucs!

  39. Milo Hamilton says:


    Awesome answer.

  40. DemonDachshund says:

    I realize that he hasn’t been the Cutch of June/July and all, but .289/.377/.422 also isn’t exactly an embarrassment. For 2+ months, he pounded any mistake made. Now he’s just missing.

    I have faith that he’ll figure it out.

  41. DemonDachshund says:

    @Playoffs –

    100 on the UNDER please.

    Barmse and Correia on back to back night. I’m losing my mind.

  42. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t know what all the howling is about. Look on the bright side—neither Barmes or Barajas will be pinch hitting.

    Speaking of mewling, Cutch is still hitting .362. Did anyone think he was going to challenge Ted Williams or even George Brett this year? Yeah, he’s not white hot right now, but . . . I expect he’ll pick it up.

  43. AJS says:

    Superstition is starting to set in. When the Bucs got to 62 wins I put up a countdown on my white board at work. I did not label it. I simply put up the number 20. When i left work for my long weekend on Thursday I was hoping to come back to dropping the 19 to at least 16 seeing as how one game was against the snakes and 3 others the lowly Padres. Had they been swept by the Padres the count would have been erased. I kept it up one extra day and they lost again. The countdown is now erased. Hopefully the jinx isn’t fully embedded yet.

  44. JaxBuc says:


    Please make mine a wager of 50 shuttlecocks on the OVER. Thanks.

  45. nate83 says:

    50 on the under. Thanks.

  46. RobertoForever says:


    you slipped that total and not earned runs caveat in there. Pretty sneaky.

    Since its total runs and not earned runs, I think I have to go 75 OVER. The defense has been rough, but who will be the 4 for 4 guy tonight? Pedro? Hot Rod? Just hope Cutch, Walker and Marte contribute a little more.

    Beat Em Bucs!

  47. RobertoForever says:


    From the earlier thread. Hughes definitely deserved credit for the his aggressiveness in the Cincy series. Love the big man on the mound and his staredowns.

    But an 8+ ERA just won’t cute it in August. Hopefully Cruz is the early season version after the DL stint.

  48. Bizrow says:

    @AJS re #43 – Good point, so I’m not going to say BEAT EM BUCS tonight

    Lets see if the theory works.

    (I will be humming Bucs are going all the way in my head though…)

  49. Arriba Wilver says:

    Playoffs–I go back and forth on this one.

    50 on the Over. Have to win tonight with the bats (methinks).

    On the Fort getting hit last night, on one of them the Ump immediately went towards the mound, and it looked like it was to give Fort some time. That’s the way I saw it anyway.

  50. NMR says:


    Thats exactly what I’m sayin’. Sure, Cutch could be doing better. We’ve seen him do it before. But baseball is full of ups and downs. If his downs match that line for the rest of his career, I’ll take him any day.

  51. Reading says:

    Seems like Cutch has just been missing squaring the ball up and getting towering pop ups instead. He’s going to start driving the ball again soon.

  52. crkkid says:

    @ playoffs

    Let me have 100 units on the under.


  53. Chico says:

    100 on the over, please!

  54. Hal Smith says:


    100 on the over….

  55. bman says:


    100 on the OVER

  56. jeffsbar says:


    100 on the UNDER

    Thank you.

  57. Stickyweb says:


    100 on the UNDER tonight

  58. Gerry Dawes says:

    I guess Hurdle thinks if he keeps running Barajas out there, he will eventually get a hit that means something–at the cost of two hits McHenry might have gotten, damned near every night. I cannot believe this veteran love from a manager who was a veteran player.

  59. Jag7 says:

    Looks like 3 automatic outs at the end of the line-up. As Joe Namath would say, let the “struggggglllling” continue.

  60. NMR says:

    I stand corrected. My apologies, Roberto.

  61. radio wave says:

    At playoffs:
    100 on the over

  62. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Playoffs…….100 on the over, please. Hope I’m wrong.

  63. Kevin says:

    Playoffs –

    100 on the OVER please. Thanks.

  64. JohninOshkosh says:

    Clint Hurdle as now managed 60 months as a manager (not including this month):

    His teams have won slightly one third of those months as his record stands at 22-31-7.
    Take away the 2007 WS club and his monthly record stands at 16-30-7, his teams having won less that one third.

    His second half winning percentage as a manager stands at .452. Again, treating the WS club as an aberration (and what an aberration it is!), the second half winning percentage drops to .428.

    To finish with 81 victories (and I know that leaves a can of worms open as far as the streak goes), they would need to play .361 to the finish or 17-30.

    That would mean playing well below Hurdle’s statistical history.

  65. stuart66 says:

    playoffs please allow the wagering of 100 talents on the over. Reasoning Kevin can eat some innings even if he does give up some runs, and we need that.

    PS, I have never managed in MLB, but Clint has. I like the fort as a backup.
    You can’t underestimate the value of TOC (the other clint) on defense. I think a lot of thought has gone into the lineup, and I’m OK with it. Plus, I am at the beach and the regular things that bother me at work are not present, so I am not obsessing over little things. Go Bucs!

  66. Bizrow says:

    Lets get out of the malaise

    I’m thinking (which is highly unusual) we need three lurkers out there to sign in with a new location. Just say hey and post where you are from

    Dejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
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    Austrailia – Mackay
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    Connecticut – Cos Cob, Bridgeport, Wallingford
    Costa Rica
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    Delaware – Newark
    Denmark – Greenland – Thule*
    District of Columbia
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    223 locations represented in the blog,
    One honorable mention member, does anyone remember the name of the Lemonaid guy?
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    8/14/2012 5:23 PM

    “Oh, the Bucs are going all the way, all the way, all the way, Oh the Bucs are going all the way, ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR (Can’t finish with Beat Em Bucs0

    The song was from 1960 for you younguns

  67. JohninOshkosh says:

    I raise my hand and say “Oooh, oooh, Lets win tonight’s game for Arnold Horshack.”

    RIP Ron Palillo.

  68. Bizrow says:

    Horshack was older than I am, but not by much


  69. JohninOshkosh says:

    Oh, and it would be nice to win as Kershaw goes tomorrow.

    Looks like Dejan got back on the “horse’s arse” and is at the yard tonight.

  70. stuart66 says:

    Biz I bet I’m older than you. BTW nothing matter at the beach. Good body surfing today, great waves.

  71. stuart66 says:

    Biz, as corroboration, I forgot to say that I remember the O’Brien twins PERSONALLY.

  72. Curt says:

    100 on the OVER

    Whats the standings these days?

    And Yuniesky Betancourt was released today.

    Could the Pirates take a flier and would we be interested in him?

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  73. Arriba Wilver says:

    Curt–standings are at the end of last night’s game thread, if you mean on the fake wagers.

  74. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’ve read Betancourt is a poor clubhouse guy. Don’t know if that is accurate or the result of having to live in what is clearly Frenchie’s clubhouse. He has enough talent that always will make people interested. I think he is signed through this year only.

    Just for you Roberto: DFA Barmes and sign Betancourt for the stretch run. :)

  75. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I’d rather see some more Mercer out there before I see Betancourt.

  76. manny _sanguine says:


    50 on the UNDER pls


  77. Arriba Wilver says:

    Barmes is hitting .290 in August, .764 OPS.

  78. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs – 100 on the OVER

    Victorino and Ethier usually hit Correia extremely well.
    Hope I’m wrong.

  79. Milo Hamilton says:

    A storm is coming through. The game will be delayed.

  80. Arriba Wilver says:

    Maybe we should all get on our horses arses.

  81. JohninOshkosh says:

    I can only extend my DVR 2 hours. A lot of rain in the area?

  82. SlackBoss says:

    @playoffs – 100 on the over, please

    And let’s win one tonight! Go Bucs

  83. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Stop filling this blog with stats……nobody wants to see that, especially when it goes against our arguement.

  84. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    any idea how long of a delay its going to be?

  85. Milo Hamilton says:


    It stopped quickly. Nothing at my house yet. Seems very scattered.

  86. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks, Milo.

  87. JD says:

    Playoffs – I haven’t wagered in awhile. Please give me 100 booyahs on the under.

    Go Bucs!

  88. Arriba Wilver says:

    The horses arses comment was unrelated to the Barmes’ comment, BTW. It was just an attempted joke based on there being a rain delay and the drive by comment this AM. Sorry if I inadvertently insulted anyone. not intended.

  89. McG says:


    100 on the over

  90. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I don’t think anybody took offense and I know I understood where you were going with it.

  91. JMB says:

    +1 Ryan

    I thought it was funny, but we don’t have “like” buttons (or avi’s).

  92. Milo Hamilton says:

    Keep em coming Wilver, I can use the laughs.

  93. Milo Hamilton says:

    First pitch at 8:00.

  94. Milo Hamilton says:

    Some of you were talking about your ages earlier, I’m so old I remember when all the games started at 8:00.

  95. JohninOshkosh says:

    Maybe I’m just “misremembering” but didn’t a lot of clubs use to start their games at 8:00. And many started at 7:30.

    After that Yahoo story, methinks Bobby V will only last one year in Beantown.

  96. JohninOshkosh says:


    I was typing while you made the same thought!

  97. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates played their night games at 8:00 through the 1973 season. They moved to 7:30 in 1974. And 7:00 in 1987.

  98. JohninOshkosh says:

    The local American Legion games here start at 8:00. Old school.

  99. Leefoo says:

    Milo…I seem to remember as a kid games starting at 8:15, not 8:00.

    Maybe they wanted to make sure it was completely dark for some reason?


  100. Jandy says:

    Gerry Dawes, where you from? So Biz can add you to the Lunatic Nation :)

    Milo, cut it with the old crap, you’re much to quick with the wit to be THAT old :p

  101. RobertoForever says:


    We can DFA Barmes, but only if we trade for Jamey Carroll. :D

  102. Milo Hamilton says:


    Games are just so much longer than they used to be. It was very unusual for a game to go over 2 and a half hours. I’m talking late 60’s early 70’s.

  103. JohninOshkosh says:


    You like that Carroll kid. You always stay on message. Gotta admire that. :)

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jamey Carroll looks like a bug.

  105. Jandy says:

    KC had a nice first inning, just sayin…

  106. Jandy says:

    and second inning too

  107. DemonDachshund says:

    Jones is warm right now.

  108. Milo Hamilton says:

    One of these days, Pedro’s going to wake up.

  109. Boise Bucco says:

    GFJ is just going to hit doubles from now on. TO HECK WITH ALL OTHER CHOICES.

  110. Keith says:

    Jones is just raking now.

  111. Milo Hamilton says:


    Yes, he’s the one.

  112. Jandy says:

    Please don’t tell me gain about Gaby’s double play outs sheesh

  113. Jandy says:

    Milo, I hope I’m alive to see it!

  114. JohninOshkosh says:

    LOL #104

  115. Parrothead01 says:

    I really hate watching Barajas bat. Such a useless endeavor.

  116. Reading says:

    If only the Dodgers had been positioned in the JR shift, Barajas … still hits into a rally-killing DP.

  117. Keith says:

    Barajas, however, should get his sitting papers after that. This team can’t afford to rack up the double plays.

  118. Arriba Wilver says:

    At least he doesn’t look like a bug.

  119. Milo Hamilton says:

    Sure making a habit out of walking the 8th hitter.

  120. The team’s handling of the “demotion” of Correia looks masterful to me, in terms of taking follow up steps to keep him “engaged”, as HR people say. Wouldn’t jsurprise me if he tosses a gem tonight. Some of that’s been because they need the spot start, but tonight is more than that. He’s got to be super motivated to strut his starter stuff, and he may be old and wise enough to do so while staying within his capabilities, not overthrowing.

    Possibly the dirt in Hurdle’s veins is exactly the right complement to Huntington’s reliance on algorithms. Or not. Playing the game may tell.

  121. Eric Bowser says:

    Only 1-0 Dodgers…

    interesting events today with former MLBPA leader Don Fehr, proposing increased revenue sharing in the NHL. Where was that interest for low revenue teams in MLB for the last 20 years?

  122. Reading says:

    I’m thinking Bedard would not have beaten that out.

  123. Milo66 says:

    PLEASE!!! Get Barajas out of the lineup. NOW!! Do you want to win? How can any reasonable person play that guy. He is a rally killer. I could see if his D was vastly better than The Fort. Neither guy can throw out a runner. I just cannot fathom why he is playing. Such an opportunity this year and we are wasting it by playing this absolute joke. We are about to lose our wild card lead and it seems management just does not care. I want to win so bad it hurts. Tired of the losing year after year after year. I’m at a total loss. Please someone explain.

  124. Jandy says:


  125. Jandy says:

    Milo, is that your evil twin????

  126. Jandy says:

    Grrrr!! wth is up with Cutch?

  127. Milo Hamilton says:

    I think I have more RBI than McCutchen over the last month. I know Luis Cruz does. Clint Barmes does.

  128. Reading says:

    Too bad it wasn’t a hit and run on Snider’s laser.

  129. Jandy says:

    And Alvarez with another boo boo

  130. Reading says:

    That was a pretty nasty pitch to Cutch, but a 3-run jack would have been greatly appreciated.

  131. Arriba Wilver says:

    The official scorers this year seem to be very forgiving to the fielders. That was an error by Pedro.

  132. Jandy says:

    what just happened? sheesh

  133. Milo66 says:

    We get 0 respect from the umps.

  134. Milo Hamilton says:

    Everybody wants to treat these guys with kid gloves because they’ve done so well. But this is garbage baseball. Absolute garbage.

  135. Jandy says:

    you mean to tell me it’s garage league like the NHL?? lol

  136. Reading says:

    Kemp ran into Walker twice, while Walker was trying to tag him, and the ball got jarred loose twice. Kemp safe at second.

  137. Arriba Wilver says:

    Playoffs is a genius.

  138. Nancy52 says:

    It’s Keystone Cops time again!

  139. Jandy says:

    KC is doing a fine job…just not getting any help.

  140. Milo Hamilton says:

    And I don’t want to hear about bad luck. There should have been 2 outs & nobody on when Hanley got his lucky hit. And that should be 3 outs right there, with no runs. All our own doing.

  141. Milo66 says:

    Pedro just seems to not care. Always the “oh well” look on his face. He has to make that play. His mind was just not in it.

  142. Jandy says:

    Reading…yup I followed that…I guess I was more wondering if I was watching little league or MLB. Walker should have pulled a Hughes and knocked Kemp half way to Center Field.

  143. Jandy says:

    Dear Lord

  144. Reading says:

    Where is the rain? A massive storm is coming, rigjt????

  145. Milo66 says:

    Laughable. Thanks for a fun Tuesday night guys.

  146. Milo Hamilton says:

    Correia should have been in the dugout 5 minutes ago.

  147. Reading says:

    @Jandy Sorry, thought you might have been on Gamecast or something and would have said “fielder’s choice E-4 squared” or something.

  148. Arriba Wilver says:

    The Over wins. Not that there’s any joy in that.

  149. Arriba Wilver says:

    And all those runs we’re officially “earned.”. Hope Kevin gets a nice contract from someone next year.

  150. Milo Hamilton says:

    How on God’s green earth did Pedro not get an error on that play ?

  151. Jandy says:

    Reading, no worries

  152. diehard says:

    Wow. As much as I appreciate a team with an even keel – your best player gets buzzed under the chin (AGAIN) and you get hosed twice on one play by the same ump (pretty much because you’re the Pirates and they’re the Dodgers) and yet, you stay calm. Yeah, John Russell-like calm. So calm it looks pulse-less. Does anyone on this team have the ability to show fire on the field aside from at the end of the game (aside from Grilli)?

  153. Gray area alert! You may be seeing black and white in a world of shades of gray.

  154. diehard says:

    Really hoping what I just posted has reason to be deleted SOON.

  155. Jandy says:

    are you kidding me???

  156. Jandy says:

    diehard…HUGHES showed fire…where is he now??

  157. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    As I watched that last inning, all I could think of were some old Gordon Lightfoot lyrics…..

    “At seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in; he said,
    Fellas, it’s been good to know ya!”

    I hate to say it, and I’ve tried to stay as positive as possible, but I fear the writing is on the wall. Break .500, thats all I’m asking for.

  158. DemonDachshund says:

    Er, if there’s a collision at the plate and the catcher drops the ball, the runner is safe.

    Walker dropped the ball when Kemp ran into him. His throwing hand was on Kemp’s chest, so you can’t argue that he was trying to shift hands and it slipped out. He never held the ball after applying the tag.

    Safe was the correct call.

  159. JMB says:

    I’m blacked out tonight & tomorrow due to wacky KCAL/Directv/MLBEI rules/issues, but I can’t believe that it is so bad that Playoffs is now “.506 by 2012.”

    Must be ugly!

  160. TCB says:

    I have visions of last year (a nightmare, that is). Pitching has not been good, fielding has been terrible, hitting has been inconsistent (LOB’s galore).

  161. Jandy says:

    JMB, the stupid crap is unbelievable.

  162. Milo Hamilton says:

    Someone asked me why I feared a collapse. Because I have 2 eyes & a brain ?

  163. DemonDachshund says:

    DK said there would be no Collapse this year.

    The Pirates went on to lose their final 48.

  164. Jandy says:

    KC on base yet again…pay attention boys!

  165. Milo Hamilton says:

    Maybe we should swing at the 1st pitch more often down by 4 runs.

  166. JohninOshkosh says:


    You can’t live in Wisconsin and not appreciate an Edmund Fitzgerald reference. A lot of that doomed crew were from the Badger state.

    ,500, please.

  167. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @John, a sad tragedy no doubt, and I’m in no way making light of it. Just seems like the Pirates are on a slowly sinking ship here.

  168. JohninOshkosh says:

    Was there any mention at the team’s pre-series meetings that the Pirates had, you know, more wins than the mighty Dodgers?

  169. JohninOshkosh says:


    Oh I know what you were saying. I wish I didn’t, but I have that feeling too.

  170. Drew71 says:










  171. Jandy says:

    Preach it, Brother Drew!

  172. JohninOshkosh says:

    Excuse me while I top off my martini and adjust my fedora as this number goes out to the Pirates:

    Some day, when I’m awfully low,
    When the world is cold,
    I will feel a glow just thinking of you
    And the way you look tonight.

  173. pattonbb says:

    It’s not a collapse…but they certainly seem to be sliding in that direction…sheesh.

  174. Reading says:

    That was quality hustle by Snider on that routine grounder.

  175. Jandy says:

    OshKosh, you wanna share those martinis????

  176. Milo66 says:

    This is a joke. At least show a little emotion that you are getting your tails whipped. Get mad, get angry. Show us fans that you care. Embarrassing!

  177. Drew71 says:

    That was beautiful, man.



  178. Reading says:

    The Michael McDonald commercial is sure to have a Renegade-type effect.

  179. Reading says:

    Embarrassingly lame performance in front of Arnie.

  180. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yes you’re lovely, with you smile so warm.
    And your cheeks so soft,
    there is nothing for me but to love you.
    And the way you look tonight.

  181. Jandy says:

    Drew, you need a hankie, man?

  182. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    No use in waiting til this one ends. The OVER wins tonight. Gentlemen and ladie(s), I’m gonna go catch up on some sleep. See you tomorrow.

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  183. Milo Hamilton says:

    You guys remember this ?

  184. JohninOshkosh says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the stage tonight to join me, Mr. Milo Hamilton,

  185. JohninOshkosh says:

    Or is it Sammy?

  186. Reading says:

    The 1971 Pirates lost the first two games to Baltimore, but then these aren’t the 1971 Pirates (or the 1927 Yankees).

  187. The Gunner says:

    does anyone know what Joe Tucker used to say?

  188. Jandy says:

    Play it again, Sam!

  189. The Gunner says:


    Nice try, but no cigar. Do you know who Joe Tucker is?

  190. JohninOshkosh says:

    Awesome find, Milo.

  191. Jandy says:

    Pool player?

  192. Jandy says:

    haha Gunner, I was being facetious :)

  193. Jandy says:

    The only infielder I see playing a respectable game is Elmer Fudd.

  194. Milo Hamilton says:

    Joe Tucker was the Steelers announcer before Jack Fleming.

  195. Jandy says:

    Milo, ok…and Gunner…so, what did he say? It ain’t over till the fat lady sings???

  196. Reading says:


  197. Jandy says:

    so, how old is Locke? He looks like he’s about 16

  198. Milo Hamilton says:


    I don’t get to say this very often, but that was before my time.

  199. Jandy says:

    nice steal

  200. Jandy says:

    LOL Milo, I bet that makes you feel better !!

  201. Jandy says:

    so Gunner, spill it dude

  202. Milo Hamilton says:

    Here’s one I just don’t understand. Since the Pirates have exceeded expectations to this point, that makes this somehow acceptable. Scratching my head on that one.

  203. Jandy says:

    Actually, they make me so angry I could spit nails.

  204. The Gunner says:

    @ Jandy

    Milo is correct, he was the voice of the Steelers from 1933 thru 1967. The Steelers never did very well in those days. Joe really wore this one out because every year he would say, “Wait till next year.”

    Unfortunately, that is the way it is looking for our Buccos.

  205. JohninOshkosh says:

    25 years from now, someone will post a You Tube (or whatever it will be then) clip of the great Martin Scorsese schilling for Apple with a “Remember this?”

  206. diehard says:

    Andrew really needs a day off.

  207. Jandy says:

    Gunner…very fitting…but I’m not ready to give up on these guys….just yet….more ready to choke them, tho.

  208. Jandy says:

    He needs something!

  209. stuart66 says:

    Is it just my imagination or did Cutch’s slump start when he got the chin music and we didn’t retaliate?

    Just sayin.

    PS I remember Tucker, but the Steelers weren’t the story in those days. I watched them play a couple of times in Pitt Stadium back in the day.

  210. JohninOshkosh says:


  211. The Gunner says:

    @ Jandy

    I hope I am wrong but I just don’t like what I see. Outside of AJ, the starting pitching is below average and overall, they look very lethargic, like they need a huge kick in the backside.

    Let’s hope they come alive tomorrow.

  212. Reading says:

    Jugdish Clayton will be easy pickings tomorrow.

  213. Jandy says:

    I’d be more than willing to volunteer to do the azz whooping

  214. Reading says:

    What has happened to Lincoln?

  215. Jandy says:

    Maybe Qualls should buzz Kemp ;X

  216. JohninOshkosh says:

    Please fill the bases in the ninth of a 6-0 game for Matt Kemp. Thank you.

    When do they play the Cubs and Astros again?

  217. Jandy says:

    wow…this is just brutal

  218. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Astros have put a 10 spot up on the Cubbies tonight.

  219. The Gunner says:

    @ Jandy

    Someone better do it quickly because Stinkcinnati won again tonight. You have the azz whoopin honors, Jandy.

  220. Jandy says:

    wow…these guys look worse than little leaguers

  221. Milo Hamilton says:

    Buttermaker had better get control of this quickly.

  222. Jandy says:

    Gunner, it’s only 2 hours from here to DaBurgh!

  223. Reading says:

    A video for the ESPN fielding fundamentals series right there.

  224. Karen22 says:

    Oy! They never should have taken the tarp off the field.

    I stopped watching after THAT inning…you know the one…where the ball left the infield once and the OVER won in an eyeblink…just reading the comments tell me all I need to know about the rest of the story.

  225. JohninOshkosh says:

    Come to think of it, both of those clubs are filled with hungry young players wanting to make an impression for next season. Nothing is easy.

    Well that’s a few hours I’ll never get back. Good Night. As always, enjoyed the company.

  226. The Gunner says:

    @ Milo


  227. Reading says:

    Unless the Reds are the 1964 Phils, I think we can declare ballgame on the division. Hello one-game playoff. May as well be the Braves. Need to exorcise that demon once and for all.

  228. Milo Hamilton says:


    Bad News Bears reference.

  229. Jandy says:

    I think I’m goin to bed now…this is really, really sad.

  230. The Gunner says:

    Sounds like Steve Blass is really upset over this game. Good thing the Gunner isn’t doing the game tonight. His whining would be unbelievable, ha ha!!

  231. diehard says:

    @stuart #209 – Yes, it did. And almost every game since has seen at least one high and tight pitch to him.

  232. Reading says:

    12 in the 9th is eminently doable.

  233. DemonDachshund says:

    Really don’t think the Buccos will have to deal with a one game playoff. If it were hockey, I’d say they’d be able to line up tee times right away. What is that for baseball, bowling?

  234. Boise Bucco says:

    Man, good one to miss…haha looking at the box score, they scored all 11 runs on only one extra base hit…that’s kinda hard to do.

  235. Reading says:

    Fitting end there. Maybe I’ll read “The Emperor’s New Clothes” tonight while convincing myself the “collapse” is not at hand.

  236. stuart66 says:

    Diehard, problem is how do you get that one back? There was a lot of talk a while ago about how “resilient” this team is. Not seein that right now.

  237. Boise Bucco says:

    Info note: Mark Madden was at this game. Should be noted that I blame the result of this game entirely on him, because he will blame this entirely on something equally as blame-worthy.

  238. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Just finished watching the game from my DVR……one giant pile of dogcrap…..

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