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Final: Pirates 4, Brewers 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (67-58) vs. Milwaukee Brewers (58-66)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the Trib’s Bucco Blog for updates from the beat writers.

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Milwaukee RHP Shaun Marcum

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Travis Snider, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Michael McKenry, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Jeff Karstens, RHP


  1. Drew71 says:

    Ah. Priorities.

  2. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Today’s PICK ‘EM (always for fun of course)

    What Will Jeff Karstens Get in Today’s Game?


  3. Kevin says:

    50 on the WIN, please. Thanks!

  4. JAL says:

    P2’s look at Marcum

    Exploring the Arsenal – Shaun Marcum

  5. bobhasis says:

    Seeing Barmes and Pedro’s name in the lineup everyday has become so depressingly boring, then watching them go through the motions of futility and incompetence in the game, I have come to this thought; If Washington – the best team in the majors and likely World Series winner – can shut down Stephen Strassburg for the rest of the season, why can’t we do that with our great under-achievers Barmes and Pedro?

    We have nothing to lose now! The season has escaped us again. Put some spirit and hustle at 3B in Harrison, and some favorable young potential at SS in Mercer and just go for it. As far as C, go with the Fort. We aren’t going to throw anyone out at second anyway.

    If that doesn’t work, after the 40-man call-up try something (someone) else; just get Barmes and Pedro out of my sight.

  6. JRay3 says:

    Well it appears the Dodgers just became the Yankees of the NL, must be nice to just add Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett, Hanley Ramirez, Shane Victorino and just for kicks pay somebody 20 million who needs surgery and will be out 6-8 months in Carl Crawford.

    We couldn’t beat the Dodgers before they acquired all this talent, yikes.

  7. JRay3 says:

    Isn’t Marcum coming off of the DL to pitch tonight? Did he see this lineup and decide this is when he would be healthy to pitch?

  8. pattonbb says:

    100 on the Win please.

  9. JohninOshkosh says:

    Yes, JRay, first time he has pitched in 2 months.

  10. LuckyNKentucky says:


    You’re right. Cy Young Marcum. Fresh off the DL. Licking his chops like that bat boy in SD.

  11. “I put up my thumb, and it blotted out the earth.” Godspeed Ohio’s Neil Armstrong. You ventured so very far from home, yet kept the sensibilities of a decent citizen of Wapakoneta, Ohio till your dying day. I mourn the loss of a hero who never let me down.

  12. Thundercrack says:

    Half of the Pirates’ 27 outs last night were by strikeout. They K’d 13 times.

    That has got to stop.

  13. Thundercrack says:

    The Pirates have the third most strikeouts in the Majors – 1039.

    The National League team with the least is the Phillies – 828.

    KC has the fewest – 775

  14. Marcum is as good as it gets when your fastest pitch is in the high 80s or low 90s. He lives and dies by control, and when that’s lacking, look out for home runs. I’m a fan of his, but with him coming off the DL I’d bet against him. He gets more K’s from his changeup than anyone in MLB.

  15. JohninOshkosh says:

    RIP Neil Armstrong.

    True gentleman. True hero.

  16. bobhasis says:

    During the course of the season, NH must have made 50 personnel changes to the pitching staff alone; he must have made 20 personnel changes combined to 1B, RF and LF, and absolutely ZERO moves to the three weakest positions on the team – 3B SS and C.

    He is a professional baseball man, so is CH. Me, I’m just a professional fan (some may argue that) who simply understands the game. Why were they unable to see what I saw all the back to May, or were they just content to sweep our troubles under the rug?

    Well while they were being so oblivious to the obvious, they have successfully swept us out of the playoff race.

    Thanks NH and CH

  17. RobertoForever says:

    I don’t think I can bet on this game. I don’t know who is mad about charity, who is mad because we are not ‘all in’, who is mad becausethey were forced to take pix with fans today at 4pm instead of BP and who is mad because of a twitter war with Lisa.

    Oh who to blame.

    Give me 75 on the Win for Karstens. If i lose, i’m blaming Nutting, the clubhouse guy, the bullpen catcher and security.

  18. bobhasis says:

    I see where Boston disposed of $262.5 million of salary responsibility in one transaction, by divesting themselves of Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett.

    That amount would be equal to the Pirates total combined salary for FOUR years.

    Hard for me to imagine.

  19. pattonbb says:

    Ethier, Kemp, and A-Gon?

    Can anyone think of a better 3-4-5? Amazing…..

  20. JAL says:

    Would be nice if the biggest problem they had was the leading HR hitter among NL 3b and number 3 in MLB.

    RF and LF have been far bigger problems. No one has hit for average or power, The single biggest need they have on offense is a lead off hitter who has a OBP. Their leadoff OBP is way below the league average.

  21. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    JRay3 ** 2025
    pattonbb ** 1900
    Mlrgenuine ** 1680
    Chico ** 1680
    Nate83 ** 1615
    Curt ** 1200
    Mike C. ** 1200
    radio wave ** 1080
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 1050
    Slack Boss ** 1035
    cosmo ** 975
    RobertoForever ** 950
    dcpinpgh ** 850
    Bizrow ** 845
    manny_sanguine ** 800
    crkkid ** 725
    DemonDachshund ** 700
    Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle ** 635
    Karen22 ** 600
    Arriba Wilver ** 570
    JohninOshkosh ** 550
    stuart66 ** 530
    Steve J Smith ** 400
    dcpfjr ** 350
    JMB ** 350
    Naje ** 350
    Evan ** 303
    Absolute59 ** 300
    Hal Smith ** 300
    JD ** 275
    JaxBuc ** 250
    likeabugonarug ** 207
    Kevin ** 200
    MarkV ** 175
    Stennettorian ** 150
    cmat0829 ** 150
    jeffsbar ** 100
    milo66 ** 100
    lckythump ** 100
    buggee ** 100
    DK ** 100
    McG ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    tmp444 ** 5
    Milo Hamilton ** 0
    swissvaletoarizonapat ** 0
    NMR ** 0
    Dan1283 ** 0
    Drew 71 ** 0
    Officer Mancuso ** -20
    JUCOfan ** -75
    TK ** -100
    Petro Steel ** -100
    Joe Bucco ** -100
    K. PenFan ** -100
    Rocco ** -100
    albatros ** -100
    Bucco_Jax ** -101
    OZ ** -150
    bman ** -210
    lawnbeaver ** -350
    Pants-n-at ** -400
    Stickyweb ** -425
    Kevin S ** -500
    GlassHalfFull ** -505
    bob hasis ** -550
    Boise Bucco ** -800
    TDB1977 ** -1040

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:
    (1) 2012 Topps Roberto Clemente Card

  22. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:


    100 for the victory……Come on Bucs, snap out of it!!!!!!

  23. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Hey to ya, look me up on Facebook……

  24. bobhasis says:

    I’ll go out on a limb and #1 in K’s and LOB in the majors. Just a guess.

  25. JAL says:


    Don’t if better but Brerwer trio of Braun, Ramirez, and hart is pretty good. Also good are the cards with Holliday, Beltran, and Craig. Reds good too even without Votto,

  26. Drew71 says:

    Seems like somebody is mad.

  27. JAL says:


    Remember the players, as long as Adam Dunn is playing no one else will lead the majors in strikeouts. Pedro 6th in MLB, Dunn”s 180 is 25 more K than 2nd place Carlos Pena.

  28. JAL says:

    Don’t have LOB stats.

  29. JD says:

    RIP Neil Armstrong. I drive by his museum on I-75 in Wapokeneta all the time. He was a Great American. I wish we had more like him. (especially in politics)

  30. twentytwo22 says:

    RIP Neil Armstrong. Sad news.

  31. bobhasis says:


    I thought you were just comparing third basemen. Of course Adam Dunn tops everyone.

    I can remember 5 or 6 of Pedro’s HR’s being dynamic and meaningful (giving us a tie, a lead or a win), but the others were possibly just dynamic add-ons or after the fact in a loss..

    Just last night, three big K’s and seemingly half-hearted attempts.

    When he hits them they can reach the next area code; he simply doesn’t do it often enough, and I would like to see a list of just who his victims were, and whether lefty or righty?

  32. Thundercrack says:

    I would be interested to see what the local tv ratings are for tonight’s Pirate game and Steeler game.

  33. Drew71 says:

    Thunder – Yes. Then we can have another Priorities discussion.

  34. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Good to see you. Where’ve you been?

    One thing about Ohio, we lead the league in astronauts. (Probably not. Just seems that way with John Glenn and Armstrong).

  35. Thundercrack says:

    Drew, please don’t give anyone any ideas.
    The last thing we need is the discussion turn into Rooney vs Nutting.

    Oh great…I went and did it.

  36. bobhasis says:

    Just checking a few salaries of Pirates for this year, and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if there were some, let’s say ill feelings amongst some of the players, based on salary performance and effort.

    As an example;
    Barmes 5 million
    Bedard 4.5 million
    Barajas 4 million
    Pedro 2.2 million
    Tabata 915 k

    Cutch 708 k
    Walker 500 k

    See anything wrong yet?

  37. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I’m one of your biggest proponents, but Cutch has a 51 million dollar, whatever number of years contract. I doubt if he’s worried about Barmes being overpaid this year. And Walker will sign one, if not soon, someday.

  38. JAL says:

    My initial post was just 3b

    The HR post was answering your “#1 in K’s and LOB in the majors”

    Among 3b Pedro has the most k’s , 14 more than Headley but Pedro also has about 80 less at bats than Headley.

  39. The Gunner says:

    Bob @ 36
    Lucky @ 37

    I am definitely in both of your camps as it relates to “ill feelings amongst some of the players.”. I think it could be related to the salaries (as Bob indicated). And I speculate that the players are POed at the FO for not spending a few bucks to bring in some impact players at the trade deadline.

    The players can be ticked at CH or NH but, they should be ticked at Bob Nutting. Skinflint Nutting is playing to “break the streak” this year, not for the post season.

    Geesh……………..that damn Stinkcinnati is winning again!!! Let’s hope the tide turns in our Buccos direction tonight

  40. twentytwo22 says:

    Shaun Marcum. The last time they faced him was June 2.

    After the game, you could hear the disgust in Clint Hurdle’s voice. He and Gregg Ritchie were taking on criticism about how well they did their jobs and he called out the ability of his team to hit like professionals. Basically he was saying that the coaching is major league and the hitters are a bunch of amateurs.

    Post-game audio:

    “He hasn’t changed in 3 years.”

    It’s my favorite post-game audio of Hurdle because he called his team out. That is something he never does in the year and a half he’s been here. I wish he held the team to higher standards and wasn’t afraid to say so publicly.

    The numbers say that this had a positive impact on the offense. Pretty much from that game on the Pirates ceased lavishing praise on the opposing pitcher.

    Now we can’t even hit a frickin Independent League pitcher. Every team is better than us. Evey pitcher is better than us. And we walk around with our heads hung low

    I’m interested in this game tonight solely because Marcum is the opposition pitcher.

  41. radio wave says:

    At playoffs:
    75 on the win.

  42. bobhasis says:

    Lucky, you’re in my corner, and I in your’s for many other reasons “well beyond” baseball.

    I am aware of Cutch’s contract, which is for next year and Walker’s of course will come. But in THIS year when we were all fired up about winning, there are some obvious reasons we aren’t, and some of those reasons are way overpaid this year. Cutch’s salary and performance for this year, are not in balance with the under-achievers THIS YEAR.

    Next year will be a whole new ball game – so to speak.

  43. bobhasis says:

    Gunner, I think the gilt has come off of the lily, and just about everyone has decided, “what’s the use of busting my butt. I think I’ll save it for next year”, or thoughts to that effect.

    Hopefully the under-achievers will ALL be gone, including the Mgr.of the Year in-waiting. He is humorous, he seems to have a nice personality, but he makes out horrible lineups (with the material he has), and his in-game strategies leave me in doubt. I believe some of the players think so too.

  44. Arriba Wilver says:


    Put me down for 50 on the no-decision, please.

  45. twentytwo22 says:

    OK I’m pissed off now. The reason this team has lost since the trading deadline is because you can’t hold a transient roster accountable. You bring up Marte, a rookie. You bring in Snider and Sanchez, whose main goal is just staying in the major leagues. The Pirates were acting and being coached and playing like they were a winning professional baseball team Since the TDL, that has stopped. If they don’t get back to holding each other accountable in all aspects of the game, the losing is going to continue because the players most responsible for it are the ones who have been here the longest. Crack the whip, or GTFO of the way and let someone else come in here and do it. That’s all.

  46. JaxBuc says:


    Please sir, may I have 100 pierogies on the WIN, today?

  47. Arriba Wilver says:

    News flash– some of the players might not think Clint is the best in game manager.

    Reminds me of Casey Stengal saying his job was to keep the half of the players who hate his guts away from the other half (more or less) who haven’t made up their minds. (or something like that).

  48. LuckyNKentucky says:

    DK said on Sulia that one vet told him the players weren’t offered the option of going in Sept. He said he’s sticking to the first report that said they were. He lists 6 of the vets who went, but said the team was unhappy, not just the ones who shot clay pigeons.

    Like Drew said, we’re 0-1 after pigeon-gate. Let’s see how the team responds, especially with Marcum on the hill. A nice 5-game winnning streak will ease the tension and it can start tonight.

  49. Drew71 says:

    Lucky, if you are suggesting that some of this is just tension from playing like (insert word of choice) lately, there may be something to that.

  50. Arriba Wilver says:

    I do think we’re making more of this than there is, but I’m not sure the record since it happened is the appropriate gauge of its impact. I don’t think they learned of it on the trip home from San Diego. The fact they’re still talking about it may be significant, though. Added to the much maligned report from 24/7 about the deadline deals.

  51. bobhasis says:

    For a minute there I thought you were going to say, “Reminds me of Casey Stengel (I think) saying his job was to keep half of his players (or somewhere there abouts) who hate his guts (I believe it was) from the other half (more or less) who haven’t made up (I think it was) their minds (or something like that.)

    But I got your drift, irrespective of the marginally accurate recall (so to speak).

    I’m laughing too AW

  52. Boise Bucco says:

    @Playoffs —

    100 on the WIN please!

  53. LuckyNKentucky says:


    That’s what I’m suggesting. If they weren’t playing like (insert word of choice), it would be a non-story or at least not one worth the time of an award-winning columnist. Like someone said on an earlier thread, players, coaches and managers do charity work all the time and it only gets mentioned in passing. Now it’s a big deal because of the 20-20 thing, no rest and (insert word of choice) play.

  54. CDBrewer says:

    I’ve been lurking on this thread and the last, and as far as the charity thing goes, I have questions:
    1.) Do other teams require such things, and if so, more/less/better planned? This might be a horrible mistake, or it could be a consistent organizational issue OR it could be the industry.

    2.) Why didn’t CH or NH say something (or AJ – he is a leader)? CH and NH have jobs at stake to some extent.

    3.) What would have happened if they hadn’t gone? Seriously, I think the team would have covered for them, given a make-up date or fine, and swept it up. The organization doesn’t want to bury its ambassadors – and players FREQUENTLY take advantage of that. I don’t want to advocate for what would have seemed insubordinate, but…do you really think the organization would have publicly killed them?

    Seems like all parties could have found better solution.

  55. bobhasis says:

    Tim Kurkjian just said “that to the people of Boston, the Red Sox were no longer a likeable team, so management jettisoned alot of those who did not act in compliance behind Valentine’s back.

    So the Boston Herald headline stated, “Bums Away”.

    What a novel idea. Wanna bet our FO has no idea how to pull something off similar to that.

  56. Dave G says:

    I sympathize with the players as far as their public obligation at Seven Springs, but that’s part of being a baseball player.

    #1. This event did not sneak up on anybody. These guys knew it was happening.

    #2 The grumbling is unwarranted. Most likely borne out of frustration from losing. If the Bucs had won ten in a row going into that airplane ride home, you wouldn’t have heard a peep about this.

    #3 There is nothing to be gained by dwelling on the negativity being created by this. Forget about it NOW. Don’t drag this out… It’s over with. Get back to playing baseball. Concentrate on racking up a few wins.

  57. CDBrewer says:

    By the way, I don’t see quit in them – Cutch’s knee is evidence.
    Beyond that, Pedro just goes through these spells of looking horridly passive, PRNW is playing with a BAD finger…I just don’t see lack of effort.

    I see a team that might only be an 84-85 win team. I was not shocked by the slide last year, but this year I am surprised it started already. I thought we would make September.

    Dismissing the 82 win barrier is to dismiss the noose the Cubs face every spring…one gorilla off back at a time.

  58. pattonbb says:

    My opinion about the skeet shooting fiasco changes if they weren’t offered the choice to go Sept. 6th. Actually, no it doesn’t. Everyone involved with this should shoulder some blame. The FO should be ashamed for showing such poor judgement. Only the Pirates’ brass could figure out a way to distract players from the first possible playoff run in 20 years. Do they do this crap on purpose? I feel like I’m watching Major League part 5.

    And I’m sorry, but I just can’t feel sorry for 10 major league players who were surrounded by fawning fans for 5 or 6 hours out of their day. Yes, I know they were tired. Yes. I know it was their off day. I’m sorry their employer asked (told) them to do this, but grow up and get over it. Enough already.

    Lets Go Bucs!!!!!!

  59. Bizrow says:

    Thanks playoffs once again

    Kartsy with the big W for 100 smackeroogies

  60. JMB says:

    This season has been like Rocky. We caught some beatings in the early rounds and came on strong in the 5,6,7, but now as we enter the championship rounds, we might just have to be satisfied with going the distance versus Apollo Creed.

    There is always Rocky II.

  61. Mlrgenuine says:


    100 on the OVER please


    Let’s Go Bucs!

  62. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bob– I have a feeling if there was a “bums away” here it would not be the players,or the manager.

  63. Bizrow says:

    IMO, and glad I was otherwise occupied today

    Its BS that the BMTIB did not step in and set proper priorities

    Hopefully, someone will smack the BMTIB in the head and say “Hello, McFligh, anyone home there???”


    And knock down that ugly sign

    Just sayin

    As a wise man said to start this thread, Ah, priorities

  64. CDBrewer says:

    with you JMB, as usual…good comparison.

  65. GlassHalfFull says:


    I’d like to lose one more hundred tonite..Karstens with the ND. Thanks

  66. JMB says:



    It’s always great to see you drop in.

  67. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – I would like to take 50 on the WIN

    thanks and Go Bucs!

  68. CDBrewer says:


    Before business starts tonight, good to be here – the Mariner gig (while spectacular) has cut into Pirate watching. That said, I flashed a “Z” to an older man in a Pirate cap last week at a game, and he gave it right back. Right in Safeco.

    School must be starting for you soon…I completely understand both ends of those emotions (taught for 13 yrs, now also at a technical school in student support office).

  69. manny _sanguine says:


    50 on the WIN pls

  70. JMB says:

    That’s neat about the Safeco guy.

    It was awesome to see all of the fired up Pirates’ fans in SD –definitely more than I remember in Oakland (2010) and LA (2011).

    Yeah, we have our composition meeting next week, and it’s back in the saddle right after Labor Day.

  71. JRay3 says:

    That a way Snider, sacrifice the body and makes a great catch!

  72. CDBrewer says:

    Well, good start…
    Maybe Karstens rolls and the pen gets its day off…(don’t know when the regulars will)

  73. Thundercrack says:

    Dave G,
    Excellent post – #56. I agree with everything.

    I wish I would have wrote that post…instead of the 43 I wrote earlier today.
    (and I’m sure others would agree)

    Watched the Pirate pregame show and they had interviews with players inside the clubhouse. The first thought in my mind when I saw them: boy, they look tired.

    And I think the Inside Pirate Baseball show had an interview with the trainer. I didn’t see the whole thing but it was pretty interesting…including the part on getting the proper sleep. Seriously.

  74. Mlrgenuine says:


    I was on autopilot…. OVER means WIN

  75. Dave G says:

    WOW what a play by Barmes!

  76. Bizrow says:

    If I missed the comments and facts that all major league clubs require players to get off a red eye flight, get into a bus, etc

    When is the Yankees clay shooting? Or the Tampa Bay, “ride a rollercoaster day”?

    Its akin to handing out demerits in the minors for a messy locker

    Cut me a break

    Yup, thinking about it, I am sure the BMTIB knows what they are doing

  77. JMB says:

    El Toro!

  78. JMB says:

    Bah, that stunk!

  79. pattonbb says:

    Steeler news – David DeCastro hurt his knee. Carted off the field in Buffalo.

  80. JRay3 says:

    How do you allow yourself to be picked off second? Base running continues to be atrocious.

  81. Boise Bucco says:


  82. bobhasis says:

    There it was in full view – the ultimate example of disinterest and lack of hustle!!!

    Then the Alfred E. Neumann facial countenance of “What me worry?”

    His HR’s are meaningless if he doesn’t want to play!!

  83. JohninOshkosh says:


    That is just awful news. Good Lord I hate preseason.

  84. JRay3 says:

    At some point our hitters must realize Marcum is just throwing off speed and quit lunging and sit back on it ready to rip. He hasn’t pitched in over two months and we can’t touch him.

  85. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    At least the game is moving quickly……..

  86. JRay3 says:

    Jeff Karstens turning in a shut down performance and we need every bit of it tonight. Encouraging following a solid effort turned in from Wandy yesterday.

  87. JMB says:


  88. RobertoForever says:

    Not many commenters tonight. Guess they will be back at halftime.

    Missing a great game. Barmes with TWO outstanding plays, and several other great fundamental plays. Strange didn’t bounce a single throw over, contrary to popular belief.

    Snider with a great play as well. Need some hits though. Lot of hard hit balls held up by the wind blowing in.

  89. pattonbb says:

    Here we go!! The Fort knocks one in.

  90. CDBrewer says:

    Frankly, this is our formula…pitch well and have the bats come along…
    We’ve been trying pitch crappy early and chase. That is hard for anybody, dang near impossible for us.

  91. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought Wandy had his best performance for us yesterday, JRay. It kind of got lost in the angst over the loss.

  92. JMB says:

    Barmes really needed to deliver there.

  93. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto–how are you seeing the game?

  94. JMB says:

    yeah JK!

  95. pattonbb says:

    Karstens shows them how to do it!

  96. JRay3 says:

    Nice to see the Fort get his swing going last few AB’s, now has RBI’s in last two games.

    @ RF – I must have missed all the hard hit balls outside of Jones to the wall, Pedro and Fort doubles, lots of pop outs, strike outs and ground outs off this soft tossing pitcher.

    And with that Karstens doing it all tonight, base hit to drive in a run, he figured he would have to contribute with the bat after Barmes flamed.

  97. RobertoForever says:


    In person. Putting my 9-1 record on the line. Does that mean no TV tonight in Pittsburgh?

  98. JMB says:

    Karstens showing the jets!

    Tabby crushing it!

  99. Arriba Wilver says:

    Good to see Tabata hitting to left center.

  100. JMB says:

    This is more like it!

  101. JMB says:

    Rob Biertempfel ‏@BiertempfelTrib
    First RBI for #Pirates Jose Tabata since being recalled from Indy

  102. CDBrewer says:

    Tabata did hit well over .300 for an extended stretch last year, got hurt, and has NEVER been close to that.
    Maybe he can get straight and be that OBP guy at the top.

  103. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto—I kinda figured you were there. Better make it 10-1. :-)

    It’s on Root.

  104. JRay3 says:

    Can’t really complain about Tabata and his effort and performance since recall. This is the big inning the club needed.

  105. JMB says:

    Sadly Cutch still cant SB.

  106. JohninOshkosh says:


    Can’t watch the game tonight. Getting updates on my phone. Relying on you to update me on my favorite SS whipping boy. :)

  107. RobertoForever says:


    Jones first fly out would have been a HR without the wind knocking it down. Jones 2nd out was hit hard as well. Of course Pedro’s hit. There were also several well-stung foul balls down the RF. Not hits but well stung.

  108. LuckyNKentucky says:

    10-1 for Roberto. Keep it going.

  109. RobertoForever says:

    Uh-oh, Tabata out.

    Anything on the broadcasts as to why?

  110. Arriba Wilver says:

    CCB–Tabata never hit over .300 any month last year, but he did have a decent OBP for extended periods.

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    CDBrewer, sorry.

  112. CDBrewer says:

    Tabata pulled after first good shot…lol…don’t care if it is injury or CH move…just can’t get going…

  113. DemonDachshund says:

    Tabata get hurt, I presume? I missed it…

  114. JMB says:

    1B Gaby Sanchez replaces Tabata in #Pirates lineup. Snider goes to LF, Jones to RF. No word yet on reason for moves.


    It looked like he was really struggling coming home.

  115. DemonDachshund says:

    So Tabby got hurt last year and has supposedly been reluctant to go all out from fear of getting hurt again…

    He finally seems to get over that and was hustling since the recall, and then gets hurt again?

    Seriously, is it something with the jerseys that makes this sort of thing happen???

  116. CDBrewer says:


    Sorry, it was soon after we called him up 2 years ago…you are right about last year…very bad…
    Look at his July – August in 2010…and over 300 ABs…but right on about last year. Sorry, it all runs into each other

  117. CDBrewer says:


    DK has oft said it is the 7 letters across the front of the jersey…

  118. Arriba Wilver says:

    Haven’t heard any explanation yet on Root for Tabata.

  119. LuckyNKentucky says:

    24/7 tweets no word on Tabata yet.

  120. Boise Bucco says:

    lol PRNW chirps the ump after that K, and he had every right to…

  121. JMB says:

    I didnt want to be negative since we were scoring, but I thought Tabby was loafing coming home — looking around too much instead of just hustling. But it makes more sense if he was hurting and simply trying to struggle home.

  122. RobertoForever says:

    Several Pirates have been unhappy with calls tonight. Even form down the RF line that pitch looked low. The catcher dropped his glove to get it.

  123. DemonDachshund says:

    A Pedro hot streak would go a long way towards hanging on in the race…

  124. CDBrewer says:

    Tabata: 15 day DL, sprained psyche

  125. Arriba Wilver says:

    CDB–I know. Actually, I was surprised in looking that his OBP for much of the time he was playing last year was adequate for a lead off hitter.

  126. Boise Bucco says:

    Man, Barmes almost beat that throw

  127. RobertoForever says:

    Barmes has not looked like his ‘august’ self at the plate tonight. In the field however, he has looked like an All-star.

  128. JMB says:

    Left groin discomfort for Tabata. Same area that bugged him earlier this season (groin/hip/quad).

  129. JMB says:

    Alex Presley better pack his bags!

  130. JRay3 says:

    @ JMB – thanks for that update….better have Presley on standby.

  131. JRay3 says:

    Jeff Karstens has pitched like the Pirates ace his last few starts….seven strong tonight!

  132. Boise Bucco says:

    Man, Bucs are cruisin’

  133. JMB says:

    I had to go over to Prime Ticket to watch the Dodgers gloat about their new all-star team.

  134. CDBrewer says:

    Here’s too hoping this Dodger team is like that mid 90’s Mets team that prompted the Book The Worst Team Money Can Buy.

    How long is Marte out? Do they expect him back when he is eligible?

  135. twentytwo22 says:

    Tabata Tabata Tabata. You play well then you get hurt.

  136. JMB says:

    now it looks like JK hurt his right groin!


  137. CDBrewer says:

    Can we BUY a break please?
    geez, Karstens gets going, then this.

  138. Boise Bucco says:

    Ah, CRAP…2 groins in a game?

  139. RobertoForever says:

    I am sure some will kill Barmes on that last play. Bianchi got a huge jump on Karstens, and Barmes probably had little chance to catch the speedy Morgan, even if he could have effectively reversed direction, fielded the ball and attempted an against the body throw.

    And now Karstens hurt. Bummer. Great start Jeff

  140. JRay3 says:

    Well that is not good….our best pitcher in month of August leaves with leg injury, can we just get some good news.

  141. Chico says:

    Why not Grilli? Here we go again…

  142. Boise Bucco says:

    Karsty is just about the only good start we’ve had in the past 2 weeks

  143. scapper says:

    Lance…Neil…bad week to be an Armstrong.

  144. CDBrewer says:

    Um, 1st 4 Dodgers have hits tonight including 3 run dinger by Gonzalez in his first LA AB.

  145. pattonbb says:

    A-Gon – 3r hr in 1st Dodger ab.

  146. Boise Bucco says:

    Nice seeing Grilli come in right here…this is exactly where he’s needed. Brewers at the corners, 1 out. Go get ‘em!

  147. JRay3 says:

    Better start thinking about catching Braves, Cards and Giants….LA just might run away with it with that lineup.

  148. JMB says:


  149. Boise Bucco says:

    Way to go Grilli makin’ it look easy!!

  150. JRay3 says:

    Grilli comes in and slams the door, nice work three more outs!

  151. RobertoForever says:

    Sorry, this confuses me. 4 run lead and we are running Grilli AND Hammer out there?

    What are we going to do tomorrow in a 1-run game with them both well used?

  152. Boise Bucco says:

    haha use ‘em again! Grilli only threw 5 pitches, no reason he can’t go again

    They can’t go complaining about a clay pigeon shoot on a day off, then not pitch a day after pitching in a game. Penant race and all.

  153. JRay3 says:

    @ RF – was wondering same thing about Hanrahan especially with him pitching last night…I understood Grilli there were two on and meat of Brewer order, but save your closer for save situations!

  154. Boise Bucco says:

    And honestly, throwing Hanny here, it’s not a bad idea…Bucs are on a 4 game losing streak, they really need this one. Don’t need something getting in their way, even if it’s some random fluke inning.

  155. JMB says:

    Oh sheezy!

  156. Boise Bucco says:


  157. bobhasis says:

    Check with CH, I’m sure he has a plan

  158. JRay3 says:

    Behind seven plus innings of shutout ball from Jeff Karstens the Bucs take the middle game of the set 4-0 over the Brewers and there was noooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Bucs move back to within one game of the Cardinals for the final WC spot. the Pirates go for the series win tomorrow afternoon as Erik Bedard will take the hill on eight days rest.

    Go Bucs!

  159. pattonbb says:

    STFD Nyjer!

    ….fear the Bones….

  160. RobertoForever says:

    Made it anxious with loading the bases, but Hammer finishes it.

    Thanks Karsten for running my personal record to 10-1

  161. Boise Bucco says:


  162. TDB1977 says:

    #STFD Tony Plush!!!

  163. Boise Bucco says:

    haha how much pressure is that, to get interviewed in front of the entire stadium

    I’d be scared to death I’d swear or something

  164. Drew71 says:

    Musta been the pigeon shoot.

  165. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Now 1-1 post skeet-gate.

  166. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Jeff Karstens for the WIN. Thanks to all who played tonight. Getting crowded near the top again…..

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    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

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    (1) 2012 Topps Roberto Clemente Card

  167. Drew71 says:

    Bring on the pigeons.

  168. Dave G says:

    Forget the stinking pigeons. This team doesn’t need any negative diversions right now.

    Play ball. Win.

  169. Drew71 says:

    Ok then. Ducks.

  170. Arriba Wilver says:

    They read the blog? Better yet, they pay attention to the blog? Even moreso, they pay attention to Drew?

  171. Drew71 says:

    YEAH. What HE said.


  172. pattonbb says:

    “We recognize and understand that if you want to be good in this league, you have to spend money” – Magic Johnson after the big trade.

    What a novel idea.

  173. Thundercrack says:

    I saw Magic on the news last night and read some of his comments in the paper this morning.

    I wondered ‘how long will it take for Magic to realize – this league is screwed up!’.

    Carl Crawford won’t be back until later next season. He may end up being a .250 hitter – and nowhere close to the player he was before he signed that giant contract.
    Beckett is a jerk and his performance is sliding fast. My guess is that the reality of MLB will hit Magic pretty fast.

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