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On location: Brewers 7, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (68-58) vs. Milwaukee Brewers (58-67)

Time: 1:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the Trib’s Bucco Blog for updates from the beat writers.

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Milwaukee RHP Mark Rogers

  1. Travis Snider, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Jeff Clement, 1B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Josh Harrison, SS
  9. Erik Bedard, LHP

Comments

  1. Drew71 says:

    Two in a row?

    Please?

  2. JMB says:

    pattonbb
    August 26th, 2012 – 9:04 am
    “We recognize and understand that if you want to be good in this league, you have to spend money” – Magic Johnson after the big trade.

    What a novel idea.

    *************************************************************************************************************

    I agree. I’ll always believe that Mark Cuban would be a much better owner than Bob Nutting, and this McCourt to Magic transition really brings home the point.

    Sadly, we are stuck w. the Nutting clan until his daughter gets tired of owning a baseball team some time in 2060. And I’ll be dead or in cryo, so it won’t really matter then to me.

    I’ll also always believe that another GM hired in 2007 would have us further along by now, but NH is our guy for the foreseeable future.

  3. JMB says:

    On a more positive note, it’s only 14 more wins to 82.

  4. DemonDachshund says:

    Jordy’s probably in the doghouse for spending Thursday with his wife and newborn instead of helping to raise money at Seven Springs.

    Joking, mostly.

  5. Thundercrack says:

    (my post at the end of the last thread)

    I saw Magic on the news last night and read some of his comments in the paper this morning.

    I wondered ‘how long will it take for Magic to realize – this league is screwed up!’.

    Carl Crawford won’t be back until later next season. He may end up being a .250 hitter – and nowhere close to the player he was before he signed that giant contract.
    Beckett is a jerk and his performance is sliding fast. My guess is that the reality of MLB will hit Magic pretty fast.

  6. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Today’s OVER / UNDER (always for fun of course)

    Total Combined Strikeouts by Pedro Alvarez + Jeff Clement in Today’s Game
    Line is 3.5

    *** MAXIMUM IS 100 (FAKE) UNITS ON ANY SINGLE LINE ***

  7. Dave G says:

    Pirates – Brewers are the MLB.com free Game of the Day.

  8. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I noticed the “writers” at Pirates Prospects were taking aim at DK again yesterday. Basically calling his column on Saturday a “non-story.” As much as I like the fact that we live in an era where we can have access to so much information, there still is a very definite line between TRUE JOURNALISTS and wannabes with a blog site. If those hacks can call themselves considered journalists, then I’m the greatest odds-maker EVER.

    DK, I know you probably don’t pay much attention to what the “writers” over there say, and honestly if I were you I wouldn’t either. But what strikes me as odd is that the “writers” over there really like patting themselves on the back whenever they can, and really like siding with Pirates management at every opportunity they get. Hadn’t really noticed that until the last few months. Doesn’t seem very objective in the sense of true journalism, but then again they aren’t journalists. They are clowns with a blog site, and I’m done going there.

    Keep up the good work and excellent coverage DK. We can’t thank you enough for all that you do.

  9. DemonDachshund says:

    Looks like Kyle McPherson is really learning a lot about relief back in AAA… Pitched one heck of a start last night.

    Justin Wilson has one inning pitched since returning to Indy.

    Looks to me like the priority is to win the AAA title with the mostly AAAA team over having the best available bullpen in Pittsburgh.

  10. JMB says:

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
    #orioles are acquiring joe saunders

  11. Nate83 says:

    100 on the under

  12. Thundercrack says:

    Here is the Trib’s Bucco Blog for updates from the beat writers.
    —————————————————————————–
    When I click on the link above it takes me to Rob B’s blog. Where are the updates?
    His last post was August 22. And I don’t see any posts from the writers that fill in for him.

    I will refrain from any 24/7 jokes.

  13. JRay3 says:

    @ Playoffs – How about two in a row after today, that has a good sound to it. Well have to DVR game today but want to tackle line.

    I will go 50 on the UNDER

    I hope I find out later it is Qualls who hot DFA for this new RP, that at least seems like a swap of two evils.

    let’s go bucs!

  14. DemonDachshund says:

    @Playoffs -

    As the Bucs are facing a AAAA pitcher today, I have no choice but to go with the OVER.

    No idea who this Rogers guy is, but I’d put money on him breaking his career high for strikeouts in a game today.

  15. DemonDachshund says:

    @Playoffs -

    That’s 100 on the OVER for me… Didn’t include the amount in the original.

  16. DemonDachshund says:

    Oh, Rogers has good stuff but bad command? Sounds like the type of pitcher the Bucs handle worst.

  17. RobertoForever says:

    @DD

    Do you think the Pirates handle any pitcher well? If your comments were close to true, they wouldn’t be 10 games over. 500.

  18. RobertoForever says:

    And Lisa sounded like a troll on twitter yesterday being outlandish. Then he threw in the old, these players do more charity work in a year than ‘we’ do in a lifetime.

    Sorry, Lisa. You must live in a circle with some selfish people. I would love to match up their 5 hours every other week to a Girl Scout den mother. Or a ‘candy striper’, if they still call them that. Or my friend, who for the last 20 years has driven meals on wheels every day.

    I get defending your position, but geez.

    DK: First, RF, the Lisa train has run its course. Was a joke.

    Second, would you describe the majority of people as falling into your Girl Scout or candy-striper categories?

    It’d be an amazing world if true. It isn’t.

    Finally, defending what position?

    I was defending the players.

  19. RobertoForever says:

    @Playoffs

    Tough line by throwing Clement in. If it was just Day-dro, I would be confident on the under. I guess I will have to settle for ‘all-in’ and 50 on the under.

    Beat ‘em Bucs

  20. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs,

    100 on the UNDER, but it will be close.

  21. radio wave says:

    At playoffs:
    75 on the under.
    Thanks

  22. Bucco_Jax says:

    @Playoffs:
    100 Under

  23. CDBrewer says:

    Hey JMB,

    Is that Oriole note for news sake, or would you have liked the Bucs to be in on Saunders?
    Gotta be honest, I feel like we have several of him already.
    But if it is just the news of it, thanks, I am looking up not to see if anything else is going down.

  24. Mlrgenuine says:

    @Playoffs

    I’ll take 100 on the UNDER today.

    Thanks

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  25. JaxBuc says:

    @Playoffs

    Please sir, may I have 50 Primanti’s sandwiches on the OVER?

  26. CDBrewer says:

    One other thing…

    Pujols and Cabrera are both out of the lineup today.
    I know we don’t have a deep lineup, but maybe CH should give Cutch a day off. And I am generally pleased with Hurdle.
    Larussa and Leyland are famous for rotating their benches, and I know the Bucs’ doesn’t compare, but maybe Hurdle needs to show that.

  27. Bizrow says:

    @Playoffs

    100 on the under please, thanks

  28. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Playoffs

    100 on the under. Thanks.

  29. DemonDachshund says:

    @RF -

    Cranky today, huh?

    The Pirates don’t have good plate judgement. They don’t walk much and they strike out a lot. My perception is that they have struggled mightily this year against pitchers with 5+ ERAs this year because of this weakness… That they do better against pitchers who reliably put the ball where they want to and have difficulties with more wild pitchers. I don’t have time or interest in researching that, but that is my perception.

  30. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto–you should be happy after raising your record to 10-1. Sound a little grumpy today? You aren’t seriously defending the Pirates’ strikeout performance, are you. The only thing that surprised me was there were 2 or 3 teams with more strikeouts than us.

    Playoffs–gotta go with 50 on the OVER.

  31. Arriba Wilver says:

    DD–you say tomaato . . . :-)

  32. CDBrewer says:

    @ DD and AW,

    I would love to see a study on K’ing more AND W’ing fewer times than opponent and the winning percentage it produces. It can’t be high.
    You can’t have a team that K’s without walking and has a non-K staff of pitchers.

  33. Arriba Wilver says:

    CDB–I was thinking the same thing about resting Cutch.

  34. mayhay22 says:

    Hilarious…Qualls to the DL with irritation of his left big toe. Just can’t make this stuff up.

  35. Chico says:

    50 on the under for Daydro and Jeff.

  36. CDBrewer says:

    Qualls to DL = addition by subtraction

  37. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just got home and standing and applauding Playoff’s post #9. Long live professionally trained journalists. I never read JAL’s links to Pirates Prospects. If I wanted to read an actress writing about baseball, then I would follow Alyssa Milano’s tweets.

  38. CDBrewer says:

    Scott Hairston on waivers from Mets…He does a lot of things, I know there are no years of control, but he is a big leaguer.

    I will also say, Carlos Lee was the 1B I was interested in at the deadline – Marlins can’t ask for much and he would provide protection for Cutch.

  39. Arriba Wilver says:

    Alyssa Milano has tweets about baseball? :-)

  40. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @John,

    Thanks. Although I would classify her more as an “actress” than an actual actress.

  41. Arriba Wilver says:

    Interesting seeing Karstens and AJ together in the dugout. I always thought they had similar mind sets.

  42. Boise Bucco says:

    Idk, I kinda like P2…they put a lot of work into their prospects pages and their top-20. And they have got the scoop on prospect call-ups like every time this year.

    DK: Yes. They have. Every. Single. Time.

  43. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    DK: A little something …

    The Pirates haven’t yet approached Jason Grilli, one of the National League’s top relievers, about an extension. He can be a free agent this winter.

    There’s plenty of time, obviously, but it should be a priority. His 72 Ks are among baseball’s best, opponents are batting .182 off him. Oh, and the Pirates are 58-1 when leading after seven innings.

    Even if Grilli’s 35, you don’t let that walk. He’s willing to stay, but the team’s got to step up. Once he hits the open market, forget it.

  44. Boise Bucco says:

    Holy crap is Bedard DELIBERATE. (isn’t that the nice word for “works slow?”)

    haha for real, between Braun and Ramirez, they took up 17 pitches

  45. Boise Bucco says:

    How much is an 8th inning guy worth? 35 years old, top of his game sure, but still, 2-year contract, max. What do you offer an 8th inning guy? Do the Bucs plan on contending for the next 2 years? Do they think Grilli can compete at this level for the next 2 years, because we’ve seen NH, for all his faults, put together a pretty decent bullpen out of pretty much nothing every single year…

    At this point you almost gotta say, “well done Mr. Grilli, the Yankees are right this way.” I like Grilli, and I like the feeling of knowing that if the Bucs have the lead going into the 8th, that the door’s just about shut, but he’s earned his paycheck. If Grilli would be amenable to a friendly contract, maybe…but then again, I’m no GM.

  46. pattonbb says:

    Jeff Clement – a AAAA all-star

  47. Keith says:

    Is this the first lineup this year that features 5 LH batters? I think maybe.

  48. CDBrewer says:

    @BB,

    Yep. Agreed on your Grilli points the whole way…

  49. Parrothead01 says:

    Well all of the people that were clamping for Clement to be brought up should be happy. His strikeout ability seems to fit right in with this team. I don’t understand why he would bat in front of Alvarez.

    DK: Or, we can give him more than two at-bats.

  50. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    How many years of control do the Pirates have on Jeff Clement?

  51. Arriba Wilver says:

    I dont think Clement is an answer, but to be fair, he was doing pretty good most of the year, and they called him up out of need during a slump. In addition to the 2 at bat thing.

  52. DemonDachshund says:

    No chance the Bucs keep Grilli. As others have said, NH has had great luck in building a pen from scratch. Given that success plus the Pirate Way, there’s no way that the “internal value” that the FO places on Grilli is in the neighborhood of his actual value.

  53. CDBrewer says:

    Hey DD,

    I wouldn’t use “luck” to describe NH’s consistent ability to piece together a pen anymore I would use “luck” to describe his consistent INability to find a single hitter.
    Fair is fair…
    He needs an assistant GM in charge of judging offense – but that won’t happen.

    I also have developed a faith that if we let Grilli go, it will be okay, kinda like the Steelers and LB’s.

  54. pattonbb says:

    I think it will be Grilli OR Hanrahan.

    I’m pulling for Clement. But he appears to be swinging over curveballs just like he did in 2010, when we gave him 150 AB’s.

  55. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    As soon as my $600 check clears I can tell the Front Office to make re-signing Grilli a top priority.

  56. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’d love to know what Bedard said to Hart after the error.

  57. Parrothead01 says:

    We can give him more than two at bats, but again why would you bat him in front of Pedro? Alvarez struck out also, but I would still rather see him bat fifth.

    DK: Agreed.

  58. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    P2 also had an editorial this year “forgiving” John Russell. That right there should be proof enough that these donkeys don’t have a clue.

  59. JMB says:

    @CDB

    I just got back from the gym.

    The Saunders thing was more of closing a thought. I knew the Pirates had interest pre-Wandy, so I wanted to just note that Saunders had cleared waivers yesterday and was traded today.

  60. CDBrewer says:

    @JMB,

    Understood. You didn’t miss much…Bedard at his usually brisk pace.

  61. Boise Bucco says:

    GFCCJ now tied for 2nd (with Cutch) for team lead in doubles with 23.

    PRNW has 27. I didn’t know that until I just looked it up right now.

  62. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Originally today I was going to make the line be:

    Total Combined Strikeouts + Runners Left on Base by Jeff Clement

    I was going to set it at 5.5

    But I figured it would be to easy to pick the UNDER. Turns out I might have been wrong.

  63. Boise Bucco says:

    What is it about Rickie Weeks that would warrant a $10M/season contract? Maybe I’m just stuck in Pirates mode, but the highest he’s ever hit in a season has been .269. He hit 29 HR’s 2 years ago, when he was 27, and that was his peak. I don’t think anyone expects him to ever again hit that many, and now his average is down to .211, and he still has 3 more years on his contract. Haha, and they thought Carl Crawford’s contract was bad…The vesting option on his contract is if he has more than 1200 PA’s between 2013-14, which is pretty good odds considering he usually leads the team in PA’s.

  64. DemonDachshund says:

    @CDBrewer -

    Let’s say a pitcher’s performance is determined by rolling a pair of dice, with a resulting grade of between 2 and 12.

    The pitcher’s ability, which is what a GM can evaluate, strongly biases the dice roll result. NH seems to have a very good ability to obtain bullpen guys who are 8+. That’s going to result in a strong pen. However, he’s also managed to get a pair of guys who have to rate out at 11 or 12 in Grilli and Hanrahan… And that, with very few exceptions, is luck.

    Similarly, I would argue they’ve had bad luck in finding hitters. Even with extremely poor talent evaluation, you’d expect that SOMEONE would outperform expectations, and I think the only 2 guys in 4 years who would qualify there would be Jones and the small sample size of Fort this year.

  65. Arriba Wilver says:

    3 SO’s so far on the 3.5 line. Bottom of 4th.

  66. The Gunner says:

    Let’s hope Mr. Bedard can hold these beer bellied Brewers and not have a repeat of last inning. The Bucco guns will be coming up.

    Maybe Daydro will redeem himself next time around.

  67. CDBrewer says:

    @DD

    LOL! Good work…
    Do you think the not finding a hitter is along the line of the “blind squirrel finding a nut” theory?

    I tend to think he has a pretty good read on the “luck” stats that even out for RP’s over the course of time (guys who are rolls of 9, but got a 3 or 4 last year). He finds pitchers who underperformed, to oversimplify. That is why he gets it done on the cheap.

    Conversely, I think he is tantalized by “upside” or “potential” (guys who never got an 8, but should based on tools). He is a change of scenery guy will solve the ills of younger hitters, who might be mental patients.

    So there is why I think he succeeds in one and fails in the other…but I like your modified craps theory because it makes me think most of them are just rolling dice.

    Today stinks. I thought Bedard was going to be an 8+ this year. He’s been a 4-.

  68. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Did a little DAY-DRO research. In his last 3 day games (including this one) here are his numbers:

    13 AB’s
    2 Hits
    .154 AVG
    1 HR
    2 RBI’s
    5 BB’s
    8 K’s

  69. Parrothead01 says:

    I would much rather see Wilson or Locke pitch than continue to see Bedard lose. At least they have a future and Pittsburgh does not need a 20 game loser

  70. Dave G says:

    One batter too many. Again. 6-0 Brewers.

  71. JMB says:

    KC time.

  72. Chico says:

    Nice work, Hurdle. Jeez… if I see him leave one more pitcher in too long to save their ego, I’m gonna vomit.

  73. pattonbb says:

    Does anyone really think this is a playoff team?

  74. Derek Smith says:

    Just thought I’d comment on the Qualls to DL for irritated toe thing. About 2 months ago, I spent 3 days at a hospital in Erie, the weekend Pedro came out of his slump in a BIG way against the Indians, after cutting half my LEFT BIG TOE off when I slipped down a hill mowing for an older gentleman. I have never heard of a irritated toe situation needing to land a guy on the DL. I realize they more than likely just wanted to make room for their new lefty reliever, but that is the biggest load of bull crap on the face of the earth. Cut off half your big toe in a lawn mower and maybe I’ll understand. That is just, wow!

  75. The Gunner says:

    Well, looks like Bedard really helped the Bucs cause today. At least he struck out Braun. It is time to shut this loser down for the year. Bye bye Bedard, don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out of Pittsburgh.

    Hindsight is always 20-20 but this guy was supposed to be an upgrade over Maholm. Makes you wonder about NH, doesn’t it??

  76. Arriba Wilver says:

    I haven’t been a Neverett complainer, but lately he has been absolutely HORRIBLE. His head doesn’t seem to be into the game, and he seems to try to rely on stupid jokes and quips. And ive been listening to him on both the tube and radio. No difference. JMO

  77. Parrothead01 says:

    Hell, he was in one batter to long when he threw the first pitch of the game.

  78. Dave G says:

    Correia gives up a seeing-eye single. 7-0 Brewers.

  79. radio wave says:

    I said it during the winter meetings,EB a bad get.

  80. Dave G says:

    Whoops… still 6-0

  81. Dave G says:

    Back to back hits. Correia not much better than Bedard today.

  82. twentytwo22 says:

    They would rather be shooting skeet than playing baseball today. The Brewers lost 2 of 3 in Houston and were swept 3 games in Colorado. If it weren’t for an error last night we might be looking at a Brewers sweep here.

    If Bedard starts another game this year then it shows the Pirates don’t care about winning. 7-14. ERA 5.01. The Pirates are 9-15 when he starts. (61-101 pace)

    I’m sick of this crap being tolerated. They are making Rogers look good. Who is going to step up and stop it? This is every losing season I have ever watched. No difference now. Where is the hot streak? Where is the turnaround? Where is the leadership?

  83. Dave says:

    Good thing our team is angry about doing charity work. If they cared about baseball they might actually play half way decent and win some games. I’m going to make a prediction that this team will not break 82 wins this year. At the pace they’ve played in August they’re on pace for 81.5 wins. Considering how badly they’ve choked the past 2 weeks 79 wins would not surprise me.

  84. CDBrewer says:

    @patton,

    I didn’t think this was a playoff team even before, but I DID think we would be in the hunt on Sept. 15.
    Doesn’t look like that will be the case.
    Time to get to 83/84, escape with our step forward and wait for February.

    I will freely admit – even as a believer in “The Plan” and CH – if this team doesn’t make 82, the season is an unmitigated disaster.
    DISASTER.
    Changes would be needed.

  85. Arriba Wilver says:

    Doesn’t appear to be a lack of “effort” today to me.

  86. JMB says:

    If this score stands, we just need 14-21 to finish at 82-80.

    .400 ball.

    They can do it.

    Win one and lose two for the rest of season.

  87. Patrick(RI) says:

    P. Ciriaco just whacked a HR — but not to worry, we’ve got Clement.

  88. JMB says:

    But I don’t know how much any of us will ENJOY it.

  89. The Gunner says:

    @ CD

    You mention changes for 2013. STARTING PITCHING, STARTING PITCHING, STARTING PITCHING.

    This season is over, folks.

  90. twentytwo22 says:

    Rogers walks Snider on 4 (I think) pitches
    Neil Walker makes an out on the first pitch down 6-0
    McCutchen gets ahead 2-0 in the count and then swings at two balls inside and then hits a weak DP groundball up the middle

    What is going through these guys’ head? Why is this team in self-destruct mode?

  91. JohninOshkosh says:

    Great research, Playoffs. Maybe you should start a blog with nice graphics. I’m sure this organization would credential you-so long as you praised the FO and ripped on the town’s true journalists. :-)

  92. JMB says:

    Oops, my math is terrible.

    Win two and lose three.

  93. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I feel bad for those of you who have purchased tickets for games between now and the end of the season.

  94. CDBrewer says:

    I don’t get the Ciriaco debacle. Bautista got a chance here at least. I don’t think Ciriaco is the batting champ he is playing like, but he is more valuable as a middle IF than Navarro.

    And do we know Harrison can’t be an everyday guy? He is a spark at least.

    grasping…I know

  95. Dave G says:

    Mr. Rogers is in line for the win.

    It’s a beautiful day in HIS neighborhood.

  96. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @John,

    Makes me wonder if I could score some easy $$$ doing what they do.

  97. CDBrewer says:

    @Gunner,

    I meant bigger than that…

    But do you believe in Karstens, AJ, and McDonald? I would think Wandy is going through what most of the deadline acquisitions are, and he is a fine #4.

    I would love to go get a big fish, but I think that front 4 is good enough to compete. Bedard will be gone, and KC will be too…

    I am more worried about 1B – a constant problem.
    Oh yeah, I would like to throw more than 5% of base runners too.

  98. DemonDachshund says:

    @pattonbb -

    To be honest, if they didn’t have a lot of games left against the Cubs and Astros, I’d be skeptical that they’d finish .500.

    Even with those games, I’m a little concerned.

    @JMB -

    That’s actually win 2, lose 3 the rest of the year. Win 1, lose 2 is only .333.

  99. dcpfjr says:

    It is so frustrating to watch a team play so well for two months (4 months if you only look at pitching) and then throw it all away in one month of ineptitude. The odds of this team turning it around in September are somewhere between slim and none.

  100. Patrick(RI) says:

    I think the Pirate brain trust put Ciriaco in some sort of “category” below guys like d’Arnaud and then dumped him. He had a terrific ST for Boston, then tore up the IL at Pawtucket, and now is performing in AL, He plays fine at 2b & SS, and decently at 3G.

    He could have been a BIG help. Player veal seems problematic, to say the least!

  101. JMB says:

    Month by Month
    Split W L RS RA WP
    April 10 12 58 66 .455
    May 15 13 89 110 .536
    June 17 10 146 110 .630
    July 17 9 130 105 .654
    Aug 9 15 101 122 .375 (based on current score)

    On the bright side, this isn’t the 2011 “collapse,” but we’re a languishing squad.

    2011
    August 8 22 113 167 .267

  102. Patrick(RI) says:

    “evaluation” — sorry

  103. Boise Bucco says:

    If they find out that Ciriaco has been taking PED’s, and that’s why he’s been tearing it up for Boston, are you:

    A. Vindicated as to why he has been good for the Sox, yet couldn’t hit a lick for the Bucs, or

    B. Ticked off that he didn’t start taking PED’s when he was a Bucco

    This is a BIG hypothetical, and if Mr. Ciriaco wants to hunt me down and punch me in the face for including his name and PED in the same sentence, he has every right.

  104. Forbes Field Bob says:

    I don’t post much but enjoy your posts….but I have had enough….dump Correa and Bedard….look beyond this year….get the kids up here from Indianapolis…..the leagiue will have to get used to them….more important they will get the experience of a pennant race….this would be better than starting the season with little experience this year.

  105. radio wave says:

    Season not over tor at least 2 days. Must take at least 2 from cards.

  106. Arriba Wilver says:

    8-21 in August in 2010

  107. DemonDachshund says:

    For next year, you’ve got a rotation of AJ, JMac, Karstens, Wandy, and one of the AAA pitchers (Locke, Wilson, McPherson) The only change that wouldn’t totally shock me would be to deal Karstens to save money, going with a 2nd youngster and planning on Cole for a midsummer callup.

    Offensively, they’ll add a 2nd catcher, and that’s about it. Marte, Cutch, Snider, Tabata in the OF, Jones/Gaby, Walker, Barmes, Pedro in the infield, Fort and the new guy behind the plate.

    Maybe they’ll get a bench guy or two, but I’d be extremely surprised to see any real improvements made for next year.

  108. Patrick(RI) says:

    @Boise.

    Consistent opportunity is probably a better explanation than PED.

    A possibly related point . . . Do you suppose Clement might have a better shot if not pinch hit for by a 178 pinch hitter?

  109. The Gunner says:

    @ CD – 100

    Bedard & Correia are disasters in 2012 – good riddance to those 2. They need to address C, 1B, & the corner OF issue.

    I am on the fence about McDonald but Karstens & AJ are solid in my book. What they should do is DFA Bedard and give Wilson a shot right now. I am so POed over this Bedard clown I can’t use the words on this thread to describe my feelings.

    And I understand Scabata is hurt already. He’s another piece of you know what.

    Sorry folks – I am really mad about all of this!!

  110. JMB says:

    August has definitely been our kryptonite (sadly I had to look that word up –DK will not approve) for the last three years.

    2010 – we dumped some dudes.

    2011 & 2012 we didn’t “heap it on” in a way that a few/some/most of players approved.

    If we ever have our very own “We got Cliff Lee, dude” moment at the trade deadline, this team needs to kick tail for all of August & September. Then I’ll have a new meme.

  111. JMB says:

    Rob Biertempfel ‏@BiertempfelTrib
    #Pirates game Wed is ESPN national broadcast, but will be televised locally by Root

  112. DemonDachshund says:

    Since it’s football season again…

    DeCastro’s ACL checked out ok, according to an ESPN story. He may be back at some point this year.

  113. Boise Bucco says:

    how is it that ESPN is reporting on DeCastro’s MCL, but the Trib and the PPV didn’t have anything on it? The Trib had an article about him being carted off, but nothing else up-to-date. At the same time, I don’t have access to Twitter at work, so Alan Robinson might have put something on there that I couldn’t see.

  114. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Looks like Robert forgot his Ridilin today.

  115. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    This team hasn’t been the same since Lacee Collins was fired……..

  116. Drew71 says:

    Pigeon poop

  117. Milo Hamilton says:

    Choking dogs.

  118. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Well that was inspiring. Amazingly, the UNDER wins for today’s game. As for the other lines, McCucthen had only 1 hit this weekend, the UNDER easily wins that line. Also, the Bucs only manage 1 win this weekend, so the UNDER wins that as well. Here are the current updated standings:

    CURRENT PARTICIPANT TOTALS
    JRay3 ** 1925
    pattonbb ** 1900
    Nate83 ** 1715
    Mlrgenuine ** 1680
    Chico ** 1530
    Curt ** 1200
    radio wave ** 1080
    Slack Boss ** 1035
    RobertoForever ** 1025
    Mike C. ** 1000
    cosmo ** 975
    Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) ** 850
    Bizrow ** 845
    Jay G -Jacksonville FL via New Castle ** 835
    manny_sanguine ** 750
    crkkid ** 725
    dcpinpgh ** 650
    JohninOshkosh ** 550
    stuart66 ** 530
    Arriba Wilver ** 470
    DemonDachshund ** 400
    Karen22 ** 400
    Steve J Smith ** 400
    dcpfjr ** 350
    JMB ** 350
    Naje ** 350
    Evan ** 303
    JaxBuc ** 300
    Absolute59 ** 300
    Hal Smith ** 300
    JD ** 275
    MarkV ** 275
    likeabugonarug ** 207
    Stennettorian ** 150
    Kevin ** 100
    jeffsbar ** 100
    milo66 ** 100
    lckythump ** 100
    buggee ** 100
    DK ** 100
    McG ** 100
    Sir Lochsby ** 50
    tmp444 ** 5
    Milo Hamilton ** 0
    swissvaletoarizonapat ** 0
    NMR ** 0
    Dan1283 ** 0
    Drew 71 ** 0
    Bucco_Jax ** -1
    Officer Mancuso ** -20
    cmat0829 ** -50
    JUCOfan ** -75
    TK ** -100
    Petro Steel ** -100
    Joe Bucco ** -100
    K. PenFan ** -100
    Rocco ** -100
    albatros ** -100
    OZ ** -150
    bman ** -160
    lawnbeaver ** -350
    Pants-n-at ** -400
    Stickyweb ** -425
    Kevin S ** -500
    bob hasis ** -550
    GlassHalfFull ** -805
    Boise Bucco ** -900
    TDB1977 ** -1240

    First Place at the end of the season will win:
    (1) BRAND NEW PITTSBURGH PIRATES FITTED NEW ERA 59FIFTY HAT

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:
    (1) BRAND NEW PITTSBURGH PIRATES EARTH DAY GIVEAWAY HAT

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:
    (1) 2012 Topps Roberto Clemente Card

  119. radio wave says:

    I want to thank Clint for protecting my fake bet.

  120. Patrick(RI) says:

    @Boise Bob

    One last shot: Pedro C. Hit .500 in 2010 (6 abs), and .303 in 2011(23 abs). Small samples, but you cannot say he could not hit for Pirates.

  121. The Gunner says:

    Did they DFA Bedard yet?

  122. Milo Hamilton says:

    Clint Hurdle likes to talk about showering away losses. I’m glad I’m not paying their water bill.

  123. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo —”choking dogs?”. Did you watch “What’s Up, Tiger Lily” this weekend? I thought it was “Spartan Dog, Saracen pig?”

  124. Boise Bucco says:

    showering away losses could’ve worked when they were losing once or twice a week, but they lost 5 of 6 this week, if you’re on a Mon – Sun schedule. Haha gonna need a different brand of Axe or something…

    I’m really really pulling for Cutch–can’t let Melky win the batting title. Although, it sets up a pretty good ethical dilemma if it happens. I remember one particular at-bat, right after the All-Star break, I believe they were in Houston–he had a runner on first, and he got a pitch middle in, and he turned around and hit it opposite-field for a single. When he got to first, he was so mad at himself for ONLY hitting a single. I remember the announcers even noting that he seemed mad at himself for only getting a single out of it. It seems like everybody and their brother expected him to rip a triple down the line. Maybe it was unfair of us to expect such superhuman numbers out of him.

    Either way, I’m still rooting for ya Cutch.

  125. bobhasis says:

    @DD#110

    At first I thought you were laying out your idea of some modest changes that might occur for next year, then I read your last line again and let out a sigh of relief that you are saying the FO won’t do much. On that you may be right.

    The Dodgers just ate $262.5 million of another team’s salary blunders ostensibly just to make this years playoffs. In that context, the very first thing the FO must do is to release Barmes and Bajaras simultaneously so as not to appear to be playing favorites, and eat their contracts. Today if they want to, but certainly before next spring. Improvement #1.

    They must send Pedro to winter ball to learn the strike zone, and see if he is capable of understanding it. He should not have incumbent status next spring. So many rallies this year were ended with a K from him and similar failure by the two mentioned above who followed him in CH’s flimsy batting order. Improvement #2.

    They (the FO) must determine if Tabata wants to play – EVERYDAY – in lieu of a Presley or other who does. Improvement #3.

    They had better find a catcher who can throw and hit; a hard task but doable. We cannot endure another season of abject failure in throwing out runners at second. Improvement #4.

    If the Mgr. of the Year in-waiting is still here, NH must demand a revised coaching staff, selected by CH, starting with the ouster of Leyva. Improvement #5

    As regards the pitching, I am very satisfied to go to spring training and determine then the 5 starters and leave intact a very good bullpen. Through any of their faults or shortcomings, they were an excellent collection of arms, who performed way above expectation. Keep in mind AJ will be older (But I’d go with him anyway), Karstens is fragile but very effective, JMac has great stuff most of the time and controls it most of the time, when he doesn’t he is emotionally fragile, Morton, Correia and Wandy would be among those from whom I would round out the 5 starters plus the rookies who are coming.

    Anticipate Cutch being Cutch, Walker continuing an inexorable climb upwards, Marte minimizing his K’s, Jones can play 1B or RF as well as a good team needs.

    This has been my story since May 1, and games like today exemplify my feelings.

    One other thing; every position player MUST learn to hit the outside pitch where it is pitched, and forget about turning it over into a weak groundout.

  126. bobhasis says:

    Playoffs@#118

    Was Lacee Collins fired for cause or incompetence? I missed the conclusion to that story/

  127. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @bob,

    No clue. Maybe she refused to take part in the charity golf outing.

  128. Milo Hamilton says:

    DK-

    Your thoughts on Jason Grilli today are very interesting. No way he’s back if they have to pay him anything close to market value.

    One thing to remember, this is still an organization that hasn’t demonstrated the willingness to spend any more than $40 million of its own money on major league payroll. I’m sure they’re already in a panic over what Garrett Jones will command in arbitration. Do you think Gaby Sanchez was acquired to sit on the bench next season?

    DK: No choice with Jones. None.

  129. twentytwo22 says:

    This’ll be it from me unless they show me they are better than what I am seeing. I have no reason to stew in something that makes me angry any longer.

    They play 14 of 17 games on the road September 10-27. That’ll be that.

    3 vs STL (1-2)
    3 at MIL (1-2)
    3 vs HOU (2-1)
    3 vs CHC (2-1)
    3 at CIN (0-3)
    4 at CHC (1-3)
    3 vs MIL (1-2)
    3 at HOU (1-2)
    4 at NYM (1-3)
    3 vs CIN (1-2)
    3 vs ATL (1-2)

    80-82

    Given that the Pirates just lost 2 of 3 at home (and could have been swept) by a sub .500 team that can’t win on the road I think I’m being optimistic. I expect much much worse and I don’t expect anyone to be mad about any of it and I don’t expect anyone to do anything about it.

    I hope I am proven wrong. That would be great. It would mean that they fought through it all and came out on the other side a winning baseball team.

    But until proven otherwise I expect this team to see the high wall on the high hill, turn back around, find a nice soft spot to have a Pirates Charities Picnic, and continue being Pirates.

  130. Arriba Wilver says:

    I forgot . Also— Roman cow! Russian snake! Spanish fly! Anglo-Saxon Hun!

  131. Boise Bucco says:

    @22–if you’re right, they better do a whole lot more than just sign a backup catcher and a #5 starter in the off-season.

    In July we were all thinking playoffs. If they don’t deliver at least 82 wins–AT LEAST 82, they’re gonna have a hard time selling tickets next year. 82 SHOULD NOT BE THE GOAL, but at this point I believe that’s what we’re all resigned to.

  132. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    twentytwo22
    August 26th, 2012 – 5:58 pm

    This’ll be it from me unless they show me they are better than what I am seeing. I have no reason to stew in something that makes me angry any longer.
    **************************************************************************************************************
    Does this mean you are leaving??
    If yes, then this is makes the losing MUCH more tolerable.
    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!!

  133. poz says:

    Playoffs by 2012
    August 26th, 2012 – 6:30 pm
    twentytwo22
    August 26th, 2012 – 5:58 pm

    This’ll be it from me unless they show me they are better than what I am seeing. I have no reason to stew in something that makes me angry any longer.
    **************************************************************************************************************
    Does this mean you are leaving??
    If yes, then this is makes the losing MUCH more tolerable.
    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!!
    ———-

    My comments to Playoffs by 2012. Let 22 vent.

    If you are comfortable with the recent play of our Buccos then fine. However, I agree with 22. The team is “struggling” (to be kind). Unless you have been annoited to

  134. poz says:

    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!!

    136.poz
    August 26th, 2012 – 6:54 pm
    Playoffs by 2012
    August 26th, 2012 – 6:30 pm
    twentytwo22
    August 26th, 2012 – 5:58 pm

    This’ll be it from me unless they show me they are better than what I am seeing. I have no reason to stew in something that makes me angry any longer.
    **************************************************************************************************************
    Does this mean you are leaving??
    If yes, then this is makes the losing MUCH more tolerable.
    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!!
    ———-

    My comments to Playoffs by 2012. Let 22 vent.

    If you are comfortable with the recent play of our Buccos then fine. However, I agree with 22. The team is “struggling” (to be kind). Unless you have been annoited to

    — my comments were posted before I finished. I’m certain I did something wrong. But let me continue.

    – There is nothing wrong with being critical of the recent play of our Buccos. They are playing poorly. And being either an unabashed homer won’t change the fact the pitching has fallen off with the bats.

    Be a cheerleader if you wish. But please, don’t encourage others to leave because they see what you do not want to see.

    I want our Buccos to make the playoffs. But after watching that pitiful performance even I have my doubts.

  135. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    @poz,

    The beauty about this blog and this country for that matter is that, YES, everyone has the right to bitch and moan about whatever they want to. And at the same time, others (like me) have the right to both disagree with the constant complainers and rejoice when they leave.

    Got a problem with me or what I write? I’m right here and I can take the criticism.

    But insinuate that I can’t comment back to the cancers that show up everyday to blither, piss and moan.

    Yes the team is playing poorly right now, and yes it has been quite painful to watch. But last time I checked no one is forcing anyone to watch the games or come here and comment. Turn the channel. It’s. Just.That. Simple.

  136. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    And while were at it. I love the constant comment:

    “Who anointed you to……..”

    No one “anointed” me, your idiocy provoked my response.

  137. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now that the self-appointed blog monitor has spoken, I guess we can all go about our business.

  138. bobhasis says:

    Based on how it appears we are going to end the season, I wonder if the FO will contemplate rescinding their plan of raising ticket prices?

    My hunch is they will, accompanied with some b.s. for the reason

  139. poz says:

    I did respond directly to you 2012. There was no insinuation in what I said. I said let differing opinions vent.

    And I didn’t use a pejorative like you did to describe those who think differently. They are not cancers.

    I’ll continue to do what I’ve done since the 50′s – follow the Buccos. I won’t turn anything off.

    But you are right. Nobody is forcing me to comment. You won’t have to worry about me ever again responding to you. It’s not worth it. And it is just that simple.

    Thanks for listening.

    Go Buccos.

 
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