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Final: Cardinals 4, Pirates 3

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (68-59) vs. St. Louis Cardinals (70-57)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. St. Louis RHP Kyle Lohse

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Travis Snider, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Josh Harrison, 2B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. A.J. Burnett, RHP

UPDATE 5:45 p.m.: Neil Walker scratched due to tightness in his lower back. New lineup reflected above.


  1. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    JHay at SS again?

    Figured yesterday was just a Sunday lineup, but at least he did OK.

  2. LuckyNKentucky says:

    A.J.’s first name is Alejandro. That’s why Barajas is in the lineup–to interpret the French that A.J. sometimes speaks. Or was that Spanish he spoke to Ramirez?

  3. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I believe it be french, which is the univeral language.

  4. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Thanks, Ryan. His first name is probably Antoine then.

  5. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Kyle Lohse will be a tough customer.

    I actually just looked up his information. He’s from a VERY small town close to me here. I was just in the area this weekend for my son’s football game.

  6. Bizrow says:

    Is there anyone else you’d rather have pitching in a huge game like this other than AJ?

    Kartsy can make guys look bad with guile, if AJ’s stuff is on, sweet

    I would say the best language AJ speaks is “colorful”

  7. This is a BIG game tonight!! You go with your best!!!

    I still believe that playing Josh Harrison at short is like unprotected sex——it may feel good at the time to maybe get one extra hit, but too many bad, bad, very bad things can happen that don’t justify the risk.

    I want my best defense to go against the Cardinals!

  8. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I agree 100%. I want Barmes out there for his glove.

  9. Thundercrack says:

    What if Harrison wears a glove…..?

    I am SO glad Drew is not on the blog right now.

  10. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Depends on what kind of glove.

  11. Milo Hamilton says:

    Oh my.

  12. The Gunner says:

    I thought Scabata was injured. Apparently, CH is implementing the “tough love” initiative with him.

    Let’s hope it works for them tonight.

  13. Bucs1979 says:

    When is Marte returning?

  14. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    They said yesterday that is was OK and was available if needed.

    He is the best option right now. Has been doing pretty well overall.

  15. Arriba Wilver says:

    An extra hit?

  16. Bizrow says:

    Regarding Drew, I think he flew to Vegas to help Drew Jr bring home that big check he won at the casinos

    KDKATV is reporting rain might be coming in, delay the start of the game

  17. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Thanks for that update.

  18. mayhay22 says:

    For anyone out of the Root sports broadcast zone, is offering the remainder of the season for $10 on its internet feed (

    In other news….Gaby Sanchez taking grounders at 3rd today. Interesting.

  19. stuart66 says:

    Folks, I haven’t seen the over/under from playoffs in a while. Do I just have my typical bad timing, or what?

  20. Arriba Wilver says:


  21. Boise Bucco says:

    As if I didn’t get enough losing from wagering on Playoffs’ lines (note my score the next time he posts it…) I’ve managed to get into a bet with a Cardinals fan on the outcome of this series. At least AJ’s goin’ tonight…haha as long as there isn’t a rainout

  22. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    A rain out could be a blessing in disguise.

    Give everybody an extra “day-off” and CH could adjust the rotation if need be.

    I’d hate for them to start then rain delay early.

  23. stuart66 says:

    AW thanks, I guess I miss him on the drive home from work. By the time I”m on home computer, the game has started.

  24. Milo Hamilton says:

    Kevin Correia has gone to Mike Tomlin and volunteered to play right guard.

  25. Thundercrack says:

    Can you shoot clay pigeons in the rain?
    They could have went to Seven Springs today!!

  26. DemonDachshund says:

    Maybe they’re trying to preserve Barmes’ decent August batting average. That way, when they do nothing to improve at SS in the offseason, they can say “Well, Barmes was really coming on towards the end of the season, so we felt comfortable starting 2013 with him since we came up just short on the other guys we tried to sign.”

  27. Randy Jackson says:


    Am I the only one who thinks the Pirates should be giving some starts to the AAA pitchers who have done well? It seems logical to give the next 4 starts to Justin Wilson, Jeff Locke, Rick VandenHurk, and Chris Leroux. Reasons: (1) Give the current starters a break. No one (except maybe Karstens, who hurt his groin last time out) has been pitching well. A little extra rest and shaking up their routine might do some good; (2) See if any of the AAA starters look good enough to stick with the Major League club through the rest of the season (even the playoffs if they make it); (3) Give the AAA guys some experience for next season.

    I have been hoping the Pirates would do that the last couple weeks, but it is now or never if they want any of them to be available for the playoffs.

    Randy Jackson
    Enola, PA

    DK: Having Kevin Correia in the mix is part of the issue, Randy. He’s the de facto sixth starter. If someone such as Bedard gets yanked and you bypass Correia for a minor-leaguer, it can look desperate inside and outside the clubhouse.

    Not saying they shouldn’t do it. The column this morning stresses that there’s unutilized pitching talent right now in Indianapolis. Just trying to explain what the Pirates might be thinking.

  28. MadTurk says:

    Milo Hamilton
    August 27th, 2012 – 4:57 pm
    Kevin Correia has gone to Mike Tomlin and volunteered to play right guard.
    Wasn’t that Jordy going to CH? Sit on end of bench and guard the water bottle…

  29. NMR says:

    Maybe Neal is forcing Hurdle to award playing time based on individual appearance at SkeetFest ’12. Thus, Harrison starting over Barmes.


  30. Bizrow says:

    Gaby is taking grounders at third, Qualls has an ingrown toenail

    And yes, we will hear of the August stats for Barmes during the offseason

  31. Bizrow says:

    Still drizzing in Beaver County, BTW, hour and a half till scheduled gametime

  32. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Haven’t heard about Marte. We sure could use his spark, though, even if he flails at more pitches than Willie Stargell. That speed and athletic ability alone is a welcome sight.

    Randy from Enola,

    We’ve been chortling that for a long time here on the blog capital of the world. Even back to when Rudy Owens was still a Pirate. Seems that Clint and Neal don’t listen to us. I’m still hollering for Brad Lincoln to start.

  33. LuckyNKentucky says:


    It always rains in Hopewell, doesn’t it? Or was that Indianapolis in the summer?


    1-2 record since SkeetFest ’12.

  34. Bizrow says:


    Usually the rain goes from Beaver County to the burgh

  35. Milo Hamilton says:

    Neil Walker has been scratched. Lower back stiffness. Harrison to 2nd & Barmes at SS.

  36. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Just kiddin’ ya’ Biz. I lived in BC for nine years myself.

    Looks like Groaty got his wish. No unprotected SS tonight. Barmes to the rescue.

  37. Boise Bucco says:

    Any word on whether or not the Bucs plan on bringing Charlie Morton back next year? He’ll be arbitration-eligible starting next year, but I doubt he’ll be too expensive, based on his numbers. I think he’d be worth a shot, but then again I’ve always liked Morton. Plus, who else could be #electricstuff? I just don’t know where he’d fit into the rotation–Burnett, JMac, Karsty, Wandy, Locke, McPherson, Wilson, all vying for spots next year. Can’t start ‘em all. Well, you can, but that’s no fun…

  38. The Gunner says:

    @ Ryan – 14

    You are right, Scabata has improved since his return from Indy but, I can’t wait until Marte comes back – he’s the real deal!

  39. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    looks like 6-9 are pretty much gimme outs now. I would’ve moved JHay to 2nd and Snider to 6th, but that’s just me, what do I know.

  40. JRay3 says:

    @ Ryan – what a .236, .202, .219 and .064 hitters with all of 15 HR’s between the four of them do not strike fear into you?

    Taking Walker out of the lineup, especially given the fact he is 8-20, .400 versus Lohse in his career, certainly weakens it. Maybe a rain out would be a good thing.

    Actually taking in the Reds / Dbacks game tonight with the little one so will have to scoreboard watch this one, can only hope AJ one more time this season can put the team on his back and will them to a victory.

  41. DemonDachshund says:

    The bottom 4 Pirates in the lineup almost always strike fear in me.

    But then again, I’m a Pirate fan.

  42. MarkV says:

    Is the window closed tonight? Or did I miss the line?

  43. RobertoForever says:

    CH should have had Jordy at 2b. How could we not have his spark in there at .208

  44. Arriba Wilver says:

    Ryan–not so sure moving Snider and his .373 OBP to 6th and Harrison and his OBP of .285 to 2nd would make much sense. Except to a few of Josh’s supporters here.

    Randy–not trying to be difficult, but pretty much any post that begins “am I the only one who thinks _______” could be answered the same—“no.” Unless, of course, you’re Drew, and then most could probably be answered, “yes, you, Drew, are the only one who thinks that.” (Hopefully). :-)

  45. Milo Hamilton says:

    In his last 3 starts, Burnett has allowed 36 baserunners in 18.2 innings. Even without a calculator, that’s a WHIP of nearly 2.00.

  46. bobhasis says:

    I’m curious why it was inevitable that Barmes replace Walker – and not Jordy?

    CH started out with a nice lineup then “junked” it up.

    Oh well . . . . .

  47. JRay3 says:

    Mercer is hitting .444 in his last 9 AB’s 4-9 (in his last two starts) and .294 in his last 17 AB’s 5-17.

  48. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates have lost 13 of their last 19 games. In 14 of those games, they’ve allowed 5 runs or more. This really isn’t that complicated.

  49. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo—I saw something recently that AJ’s August ## are historically his worst. Don’t know why. Hopefully, that’s all that’s going on. Not worried too much about AJ. Without him, we’re toast.

  50. Milo Hamilton says:


    I’m a firm believer that players, especially pitchers, get rejuvenated in September. Maybe it’s a combination of the cooler nights & being able to see the finish line. I just we get there still having a shot.

  51. Huge, huge start for Burnett.

    Why not try Bedard in long relief? His first pass through a lineup is often stellar. Is it that getting up so often in the pen would endanger his arm, or just an unwillingness to conclude that he’s never going to cut it as a starter again?

  52. JohninOshkosh says:

    SI had a piece a few weeks ago making a case for Beltran as a HOF’er. Not sure how I feel about that, but he sure has been a fine ballplayer.

  53. Milo Hamilton says:

    AJ’s going to have to pitch a shutout until the Cardinals go to the bullpen.

  54. pattonbb says:

    Lohse is filthy.
    Hope it rains harder.

  55. Eric Bowser says:

    This game, this series, this must be a statement on how the remainder of the season will go.

    Win tonight, win the series, and good things will returns.

    Lose tonight, lose the series, and I fear 82 is going to be a battle, forget the wild card.

  56. The Gunner says:

    So far, AJ looks like he brought his A game – now we some offense from the 2012 Killer Bees

  57. JohninOshkosh says:

    I have never been fortunate enough to go to PNC but, when I do, there are two fans I would like to meet. First, is the lady (I think it is a lady!) who holds up the Pirates flag behind home plate (not there tonight) and, second, is the vendor who dresses in Pirates wear. I have seen them behind home plate for years! There is a nice couple in Tampa who have sat left of home for years and years. If I ever make it to Tampa, would seek them out for a handshake as well.

    Of course, I would also like to meet some bloggers. Speaking of which, hope it is not raining on Jandy at the Curve game.

  58. Eric Bowser says:

    What I’m chopped liver?

    Just kidding.

  59. JohninOshkosh says:

    Way to go Andrew.

  60. Boise Bucco says:


  61. Eric Bowser says:

    Hey ma look, McCutchen can hit.

  62. Boise Bucco says:

    Man, Lohse has been lights out this year…if the Bucs only got that one run off him I’d be happy with it…hope AJ brought his STFD face today

  63. Eric Bowser says:

    Snider needs to score on that hit by Alvarez

  64. JohninOshkosh says:

    It seems like there have been very few rainouts in the league this year. They will play until 3:00 AM, if necessary, to get this one in-especially with the Bucco lead.

    2-0 Bucs

  65. DemonDachshund says:

    @OM –

    I think they’re afraid to put Bedard in the pen because his arm’s already been patched up a few times, and they don’t want to put the wear and tear on it.

    If that’s the case, I’d DFA him if it weren’t August 27th already. As it stands, he should have a nice, regular spot at the end of the bench for the rest of the season.

  66. Eric Bowser says:

    nice swing by Harrison to get RBI sacrifice ‘fly’.

  67. Boise Bucco says:

    J-HAY!! I’LL TAKE IT!!

  68. Jones says:

    This is the kind of stuff that worries me. It seems like any good fortune we had earlier in the season is gone in addition to the poor play. Injuries, fluke bounces, and today we’ve had 3 balls smoked into the outfield that were caught with Pedro’s almost being the fourth. I feel like they’re fighting luck at little too.

  69. So far, WOW. Go Bucs!

  70. @DemonDachshund re 65, thanks 4 reply. I agree that no more starts are called for from Bedard. Not his fault that he’s aged. Could we trade him for Clemens at 50?

  71. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Pedro looks like a jackass with his hat over his ears…..Why would anyone over 14 do that????….Because of that there should be a dress code like the NFL…..

  72. Milo Hamilton says:

    I don’t have any stats to prove this, but it seems like AJ is throwing a lot more fastballs tonight. Wonder if he felt he was leaning on the curve a little too much ? Getting too predictable ?

  73. I’m done for the night, suffering heat
    exhaustion learning to spell “dauchshund”.

    Not to cast a hex, but A. J. is still rocking, bless him.

  74. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Harrison does it too?????……look like ballplayers you clowns….

  75. Eric Bowser says:

    Lazy. Stupid.

    Not acceptable defense.

    DK: Or, he got hurt.

  76. Jones says:

    That play was a picture of the August 2012 Pirates. Lazy and clueless.

  77. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice job putting up a zero after they finally take the lead. SMH.

  78. JMB says:

    He rolled his ankle in the marsh.

  79. Milo Hamilton says:

    Squeeze ?

  80. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m glad that MLB has made peace with the MLB Umpires’ union. You can really tell the difference with the replacement refs the NFL is using. Those people are in over their heads just so RG can bust the union.

  81. Milo Hamilton says:

    MUST strike the pitcher out in that situation. 100% of the time. Nice inning.

  82. Eric Bowser says:

    I’m talking about the pursuit and route to the ball by both players. Tabata’s route to the ball was horrible and McCutchen wasn’t much better. At least from what I could tell on tv.

  83. Milo Hamilton says:

    Agreed Eric. Someone has to catch that ball. It looked like each was waiting for the other to get it.

  84. Eric Bowser says:

    And equally stupid, why are you sending your starting pitcher to home with THAT lineup.

    Thanks Jose Oquendo.

  85. Eric Bowser says:

    Bothers me when a pitcher finally gets runs support and promptly gives it right back the next half inning. Paul Maholm constantly did this, that’s why I didn’t want him back at the deadline.

  86. Eric Bowser says:

    wow, bad bunt by Burnett is caught by Carpenter on fly but wild throw to 1B allows Barmes to go to 2B.

  87. Eric Bowser says:

    nice piece of hitting by Tabata to go other way, just got too much of it for Beltran to record the second out.

  88. Milo Hamilton says:

    The only way Snider can get a hit is if the 1st baseman is holding a runner.

  89. Eric Bowser says:

    Serious question, put Dallas McPherson on 40-man roster and recall him. Jeff Clement can lose his 40-man spot.

  90. Eric Bowser says:

    SICK of these all-access nights with Root Sports.

  91. Eric Bowser says:

    @Milo – Yeah, he’s got to get some loft to that swing.

  92. Milo Hamilton says:

    Travis Snider stat of the night – 75 AB’s / 6 RBI.

  93. Eric Bowser says:

    get behind, throw a fastball, and BOOM, HR by Holliday.


    4-3 Cards

  94. Arriba Wilver says:

    “lazy, stupid” , complaints how they wear their hats? Tough crowd tonight.

  95. Eric Bowser says:

    Where is everyone? Did the rain dampen the internet??????????????

  96. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – Nature of the beast.

  97. The Gunner says:

    Jack Wilson, he ain’t

  98. Drew71 says:

    Sounds like what I hear from my wife, Arriba. Except for that part about the hat.

  99. JMB says:

    14 errors for BarmEs

    23? for Pedro.

  100. Milo Hamilton says:

    21 for Pedro.

  101. Eric Bowser says:

    Pitching. Defense.

    Defense. Pitching.

    When this team was winning, they pitched, they fielded the ball. It just isn’t happening at a consistency required for a playoff contending team over the last month.

  102. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s raining so hard, The Pirates will be able to shower this one off without ever retreating to the clubhouse.

  103. JMB says:

    Snider phew.

    And that’s a rain delay.

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    Last I checked, it was raining on both teams.

  105. Eric Bowser says:

    Snider almost plays Molina fly out into a circus, Cards score 4th to take 4-2 lead.

    Rain delay, ugh.

  106. Based on tonight’s results, .500 is the best to be hoped for. What a snakebitten organization.

  107. ClarenceOveur says:

    Where’s Lanny Frattare and his bottle of Scotch when we need it?

    Nooooooo Doubt About It!

  108. JohninOshkosh says:

    Turned it to the Brewers/Cubs game at start of delay. The Cubs, despite their famous losing ways, have not lost 100 games in a season since 1966. Only two 100 loss seasons in the franchises history. Apparently, the organization takes some pride in that streak. So September will feature 2 organizations addressing streaks and playing each other several times.

  109. ClarenceOveur says:

    Next up on “Inside Pirates Baseball”, why the Pirates organization assumes that you’re trying to eat a rock for breakfast.

  110. Chuck H says:

    A.J. was doing fine until we scored, but then gave it right back. I’m watching the game on the computer (gameday), and it seems that the Home plate ump is either blind or
    his home town is St. Louis. He’s calling a lot of pitches that are in the square, balls
    against the Bucs and vice-versa against us. I don’t know what happened to the Pirates, but it just seems like they don’t care anymore. Just get the season over with. Ho, Hum!!

  111. diehard says:

    Inside Pirates Baseball – gonna reminisce about Operation Shutdown. Awesome.

  112. Milo Hamilton says:

    I can’t wait for the Inside Pirates Baseball that focuses on the Pigeon Shoot. Nothing says fun like sleep deprived ball players, fresh off a cross country flight after 20 games in 20 days handling firearms.

  113. JohninOshkosh says:

    Anybody in the area know how long it looks like the wet stuff will be around? Hard to tell from the Weather Underground site.

  114. Milo Hamilton says:


    They’re readying the field right now. Looks like Jared Hughes is filling up his gas can right now.

  115. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thank you, Milo.

  116. JohninOshkosh says:

    Nothing compared to what is brewing in the Gulf right now. Keeping my fingers crossed for all those folks down there.

  117. Thundercrack says:

    As much as I want Pigeon-Gate to end,

    But here is a fact that is not been brought up.
    -Yes they played 20 games in a row
    -They did NOT play 20 games in a row on the road
    -The road trip was 6 games….which came after an 11 game HOMESTAND

    OK, maybe that is 3 facts.

  118. Milo Hamilton says:

    Lance Lynn has been moved to the bullpen despite a 13-5 record. But he’s been craptacular since the break. Illustrates how a winning organization handles such things. No scholarships.

  119. Arriba Wilver says:

    Spartan dogs. Saracen pigs.

  120. Milo Hamilton says:



  121. JMB says:

    Tabby’s groin must still be bothering him cuz he can’t get out of 3rd gear.

  122. The Gunner says:

    @ JMB – 122

    Hustlin’ Jose Scabata the name, no sense of urgency is my game. CALL A DOCTOR!!

  123. RobertoForever says:


    The charity event was already featured on the pregame on Friday. Everyone seemed to be having a great time. All except J-Mac. He had a case of a sagging shotgun.

  124. RobertoForever says:

    #FreeDrewSutton is finally complete.

    HBP last night. Fractured foot confirmed today.

  125. Milo Hamilton says:


    There’s got to be a way they can squeeze a half hour out of it, like the bowling. And they can run it oveur and oveur (sorry captain), just like the bowling. Plenty of Bob Nutting smiling & trying to remember the players names. Compelling television.

  126. RobertoForever says:

    So Clint Barmes is right back on his hitting horse, 2 for 3 with an RBI from the 8 spot.

  127. Milo Hamilton says:

    Allen Craig always looks distressed. Even when he’s hitting, and hitting, and hitting …

  128. RobertoForever says:


    I did a little research in my spare time today on charity events by teams in late season. Funny I didn’t find any articles on upset players. I also didn’t find any other mention of the Pirates charity event last week on any Pittsburgh or national site.


    Charity event in mid-Aug, in midst of home stand with off day. 4 game winning streak. Pennant race of 1 game lead

    Charity event on late July Thursday off-day after 14 straight days returning after 6 game road trip. (pennant race 1 game deficit) All the Twins stars attended.

    Charity event on off day late Aug at end of 6 game road trip, end of 20 straight days of games.
    Vast majority of Nats stars attended Zimmermans charity event

    On off day in middle of homestand in late Aug. having lost 6 of the last 7. In pennant race after just having gone “all-in” at trade deadline
    Vast majority of Indians star players attended head coaches charity event

    Charity event on off day Late Jun middle of home stand,
    Vast majority of Nats stars attended Zimmermans charity event

    I found reference to an event but not enough specifics to lock down a date with quick research

    Return from 9 game road trip on the west coast, having lost 8 out of the last 9 games
    Vast majority of Indians star players attended head coaches charity event, as well as all FO.

    DK: Wow, you DO work for the Pirates? Right?

  129. RobertoForever says:


    I only checked 4 teams. Only the Rays seemed to have no events.period in the last couple of years, pre or post break.

  130. Milo Hamilton says:


    Here’s one you missed. After a 10 game road trip to Colorado, Houston, and St. Louis in 2011, the Dodgers held a mandatory “Meet the McCourt’s Divorce Lawyers” at Grauman’s Chinese Theater. All players, staff, and Tommy LaSorda were in attendance. A fun time was had by all. Maybe the open bar had something to do with it.

  131. JMB says:


    Your Mike twitter pic has too much make-up; he looks better all craggly.

    DK: Go to and check the behind-the-scenes about this episode. Even better than the scene itself.

  132. JohninOshkosh says:

    I caught the end of the Mets/Astros game last night. The announcers Bill Brown and Jim Deshaies spoke at length about the Pirates charity event. While not mentioning Dejan by name it was obvious that they had read his column or a reference to it. They were both aghast at the timing of the event and Deshaies, former player and manager, said he would have told the team to “forget that.”

  133. JohninOshkosh says:

    Good night to get your hands on a foul ball.

  134. JohninOshkosh says:

    Time for a walk off win!!!

  135. Keith says:

    How do you not pinch-hit for Barajas, but pinch-hit for 2-3 Barmes? Unreal.

  136. Milo Hamilton says:

    Choking dogs.

  137. JohninOshkosh says:

    4 out save by the Redbirds closer. Ugh.

  138. JMB says:


  139. The Gunner says:


  140. dcpfjr says:

    The not ready for prime time Pirates. Lets face the obvious. This team just doesn’t have the talent to contend.

  141. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Those two balls that dropped out in left center were the difference, I believe…Marte/Presley would’ve had them……..,between speed,instincts and positioning they would hav head those balls……just my 2 cents………..

  142. JMB says:

    9-16 in August .360 ball

    On the bright side, they can’t go any lower than a .321 WP for August (9-19). Yippee??

  143. RobertoForever says:


    Maybe, maybe not. But why should that matter, when the facts are involved?

  144. DemonDachshund says:

    3-9 in close games in August.

  145. Boise Bucco says:

    Sometimes teams can just lose because the other team is better; it doesn’t have to be because of a 20 game in a row schedule or a 19-inning game or some charity event, it doesn’t have to have a reason–maybe the teams they’re playing are simply better. We need to stop giving the Bucs reasons. Especially a charity event–are we even mentioning what the money is going to? Probably something a whole lot more important than Pirate victories. Cards played a better game tonight, Bucs didn’t; simple as that. No reason to make excuses or try to figure out why they can’t break out of this slump. We made a mistake of overestimating the Bucs and underestimating their post-All-Star schedule, and this is the result. Maybe this was going to happen all along.

  146. bobhasis says:


    Haven’t you really been paying attention? These are the very questionable in-game strategies we have been treated to all year long.

    And I totally agree with your premise!

    However these questions are off-limits in post game pressers, but I’d like to know. Barmes was having a great game, how do you logically yank him for Gaby, was it?

  147. Milo Hamilton says:


    8-22 last August. Sense a trend ?

  148. Boise Bucco says:

    Doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for the victories, I’m just not as down in the losses…if they happen, they happen, same as every year.

  149. RobertoForever says:


    I googled Jim Deshaies and Charity and the only hit I got was something about Jim’s campaign to get at least 1 pity HOF vote.

  150. Reading says:

    The “facts” of the Pirates Charity outing purportedly include busing the players from the airport at some pre-sunrise time immediately upon landing after a cross-country flight. That’s where the absurdity lies. I wonder if the other cases include such a circumstance.

    DK: No need for the quotes around the word facts. Everyone involved, including the Pirates, confirmed every aspect of the travel details.

  151. bobhasis says:

    Another HR for McLouth and 3 RBI’s, batting over .250 but not good enough to play here.

  152. Thundercrack says:

    bob, did you see how McLouth played while in a Pirate uniform this year?

    Not good at all.
    We would have been thrilled with .250. That is 110 points higher than what he hit here.

  153. Dave says:

    It’s nice to see that the charity event is causing us to lose so many games and that this doesn’t count as a collapse right Dejan?

    DK: ?

  154. Reading says:

    Unfortunately, the clutch hits are becoming more difficult to come by now, and even when we get a clutch hit the less than stellar pitching gives whatever runs may have been knocked in right back the next half inning. I hate to say it, but it looks like we can call ballgame on the season. No way this team makes up 3 games.

  155. Thundercrack says:

    Jim Deshaies was a manager?

  156. Thundercrack says:

    Wow is right.
    If only Roberto could provide a link to his research to Dejan.

    Then he could ‘DK’ Dejan, and tell him to read it for himself.


  157. JohninOshkosh says:


    #151 That is very funny. Not sure if you intended humor, but I’m LMAO as the kids say. :)

  158. bobhasis says:

    TC @154

    Yes he was pathetic. And while he was trying to make an impression, there was too much confusion – and competition. Whether he got a real chance as a former incumbent is questionable.

    I was simply reporting a fact and wishing he could have stayed. he is certainly no less than some of those who are still here

  159. JohninOshkosh says:


    #157 Sorry, Jimmy never managed. My bad (as the kids say)

  160. RobertoForever says:


    Yes it was, lol. I guess the snide brand of humor is rubbing off on me :D

  161. JoeBucco says:

    Forget the curse of Jerry Meals or anyone else.

    I think it might be the curse of Adam LaRoche. We don’t want him on our team anymore, and we do jack squat after August ever since. That’s what we get for ripping the guy for only hitting for us from August onward.

    Man, I really am going to be bummed if we don’t get out of this funk. Big game tomorrow night with J-Mac probably pitching for his own spot in the rotation. Dude goes from Cy Young candidate to rotation drop candidate.

  162. JRay3 says:

    Talent wins and the Cardinals have a lot more talent just take a look at the lineups tonight, the Bucs 6,7,8 hitters came into the game at .236, .202, .219 while the Cards 6,7,8 hitters were .324, .317, .269 hitters.

    It was mentioned above Lancy Lynn is 13-5 and moved to the bullpen while we are forced to watch Erik Bedard lose start after start.

    Our big move was to call up Jeff Clement a AAAA player who was hot two months ago and maybe the only thing colder that the Pirates in August. Management just has no clue.

    I just pray for 82 wins, 20 years of being the joke is long enough.

  163. Reading says:

    DK: I used quotes around the word “facts” above to show that the circumstances regarding the other teams’ charity events were distinguishable from the Pirates’ circumstances. I wasn’t trying to imply that the circumstances of the Pirates situation was something that was not true or otherwise questionable. A poor choice of wording or more accurately use of quotation marks on my part.

    DK: Gotcha.

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