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Wakeup Call: Bye, bye, Bedard

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Brief and to the Point …

>> This is NOT confirmed by the Pirates, but I just heard — at about 1 a.m. Tuesday — that they’ve released Erik Bedard, this from a long-time, highly reliable source with direct ties to the pitcher.

Bedard, signed to a one-year, $4.5 million deal out of free agency last winter, is 7-14 with a 5.01 ERA and has given up 16 runs in his past three starts.

Here is Bedard’s official page.

He’s been lousy of late, plus visibly out of sorts with his mechanics, and the team might be looking to get Kevin Correia back in the rotation. But I didn’t see anything like this coming.

And I’ll repeat: The Pirates themselves haven’t confirmed this, and it’s a little late to be calling anyone, so I’m giving what I have here.

I’d expect a team announcement on this sooner rather than later on Tuesday.

UPDATE 9:40 a.m.: The Pirates make it official: Bedard is unconditionally released. No word yet on rotation replacement.

>> Now that was a significant loss.

The Pirates’ season wasn’t lost last night, and the game wasn’t lost solely in the ninth inning. But what a scene at PNC it was, with Rod Barajas (.199)  leading off, Gaby Sanchez (.213) pinch-hitting for Clint Barmes (.223) and Michael McKenry (.254 and 2 for his past 24) filing to the plate for three quiet outs.

Take a mental snapshot of that one. It might come in handy a month from now when trying to evaluate things.

In the interim, still two games left in this series. Still a chance.

>> Assuming there are no further maladies found when David DeCastro has his knee surgery tomorrow, the Steelers will keep him off injured reserve, according to the reporting of our Mark Kaboly.

Better be sure he can return. We’ve seen in the recent past where Aaron Smith gets carried all year and, with all due respect to DeCastro, he’s not Smith. A healthy 53-man roster includes every necessary backup, especially on a line that’s now already lost a couple guys.

>> Farewell, Charlie Batch?

Let’s assume Jerrod Johnson can move to the practice squad. Let’s also assume Byron Leftwich is the No. 2 QB, since, well, he is.

Is a No. 3 QB really the best use for what’s now a 52-man roster?

>> The NHL and its players’ union meet today in New York, and there’s a possibility — maybe more — that talks could break off afterward.

Sorry, not buying any of this. It’s August. Camp doesn’t even open until Sept. 21. I still see the owners’ position as being so phony it’s hard to believe they’d lose a single game over it.

>> Forget about Shane Doan, if you haven’t already.

Comments

  1. Devyn Duffy says:

    A no-hitter for 3 2/3; three outs later, down 6-0 and possibly released. Ouch.

    DK: Neat way of looking at it. If memory serves, I believe Bedard had two strikes on the first guy after those two outs, too.

  2. aglebagel says:

    A sad day for us Eriks with a “k.”

  3. Boise Bucco says:

    Whatever you might think of Bedard, don’t let this be an indictment on Neal Huntington. He recognized that the Bucs were in a good position to compete this year, and went out and got a free agent pitcher for the rotation, exactly what a GM for a winning ballclub would do. Can’t knock a GM for that. If he does the exact same thing next year, I’ll profess my man-love for him from the nearest street corner. I hope he keeps the same eye towards competing next year as he did this past off-season. Haha I guess what I’m saying is, It was the thought that counts…

    As for Erik Bedard, When I lived up in Anchorage, we got Mariners baseball on the radio, so I listened to Dave Niehaus call the Mariners games when Bedard was a Mariner, and the one thing that was always constant was that he would be Stone Cold Ace if he was healthy. I remember Niehaus talking about his curveball before I ever heard about it when the Bucs signed him. The big deal in Seattle was how much they gave up to get him, and how much they anticipated getting him back so they could get back into the playoffs. As much as I could tell, the Mariners were never really bitter (in a Yankees/Pavano way, anyway,) but you could tell that they really regretted that trade, even the way they called it on the radio. Either way, I wish him the best of luck, same as all the rest of the former Buccos who’ve gone on to find success on other teams.

  4. Boise Bucco says:

    But now, what to do with the rotation? The masses will be calling for McPherson/Wilson/Locke, based on the innings they’ve thrown in AAA and the 2+ innings we’ve seen them throw in the big leagues this year–THEY’VE GOT SOOO MUCH POTENTIAL–but, I forget who said it earlier tonight (it might have been DK), what happens when the team sees that Hurdle bypasses Correia for a starter’s spot for a AAA kid? Does that send a message that they’ve essentially given up the pennant race, because what team at this point in a pennant race starts a AAA kid?

    Or on the flipside, does it send a message to the players who came up thru Indy, which is pretty much everybody, that they all got that same start, and that they’re all expected to play pennant-race-level baseball, regardless of their level of development? When Cutch got here, he was raw but he still hit in the .270′s, (correct me if I’m wrong…,) same with PRNW–I believe he hit .298 his rookie year. So, in that regard, wouldn’t that send a message that, if management is calling on these kids at this point, they obviously believe that they’re pennant-race ready?

  5. Bob says:

    Bedard sucks, and he hasn’t been a gamer in years…call up Locke to take his spot. The kid is fantastic!

  6. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I guess it’s time to officially pack it in….As opposed to when Neal Huntingon unofficially packed it in at the trading deadline.

    The Pirated are now 8-16 since Huntington pulled his latest chop job.

  7. Sec.143RowMSeat24 says:

    The problem with what you wrote above Dejan is “and the team might be looking to get Kevin Correia back in the rotation”. The Bedard move was needed, but he should be replaced with Locke, not Correia. I see Locke as better right now, and a guy who could be in the rotation next season, and probably should be in the rotation next season.

    As far as Bedard, the Pirates got probably pretty much what they thought they would get out of him. He was very good early in the season, having seemed to never fully get back on track after the back problems earlier in the season.

  8. JUCOFan says:

    People were thrilled when Bedard was signed to replace Maholm as the lefty in the lineup. Not so much anymore. Bummer

  9. JAL says:

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    Pirates Notebook: Pitching Struggles in August; Sanchez Working on Versatility

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  10. JAL says:

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    BUFFONE: Putting the Pirates in Perspective

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    Bradenton Marauders’ first baseman Alex Dickerson named Florida State League’s top player

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    17 NY Daily News

    MLB Power Rankings: Time to abandon Pirates’ ship? Cardinals are on the rise as Pittsburgh sinks

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    What Were The Dodgers Alternatives?

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  11. JAL says:

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    Steelers Awarded RB DuJuan Harris Off Waivers from Jacksonville

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  12. JAL says:

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  13. The Gunner says:

    I am totally amazed by the latest action of the BMTIB / BMTIS. They took my advice from a couple days ago and released Mr. Personality (aka Erik Bedard.) Add this guy to the Pirate list of free agent signings that didn’t work out. And, to think, they could have paid Paul Maholm about $200,000 more, got a lot better results, and still be a legitimate playoff team.

    The BMTIB / BMTIS better give Locke, Wilson or McPherson an opportunity to fill Erik the Great’s slot and not Slopbucket Correia.

  14. The Gunner says:

    If any of you caught Paul Alexander & Co. on the Fan this AM, they mentioned how Hustlin’ Jose Scabata lolly-gagged on that one fly ball last night late in the game (I can’t remember who hit it.) This is the one where Cutch came over to help and caught his spike in the turf which possibly injured #22.

    They were pretty vocal about what a waste Scabata is and that he must have A.D.D. etc.

    Why would the BMTIB / BMTIS fool around with this guy over Presley? Sure makes you question the ability of the BMTIB / BMTIS, doesn’t it?

    It is looking like .500 is a real stretch – I wonder what version of JMac will show up tonight?

  15. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jandy,

    I can’t believe we’re reduced to this again, but here goes – so how did Gerrit Cole look ?

  16. Thundercrack says:

    Was Maholm’s option with us $6 or $9 milliion?

  17. Jandy says:

    I no longer have any faith in JMac :(

  18. Jandy says:

    Haha Milo, I didn’t see much of Mr. Cole. I was waiting in line on the second level at the Curve for 3 friggin hours. James Neal finally comes out to sign at 7:00 and…they whisk him down to a different section…where the ‘corporate sponsors” are…and he’s signing there first…when all us little peons waited in line for 3+ hours! I have to say I pretty much lost it. Poor hubby was trying to decide if he should hide or knock me out. I went straight to customer service and demanded to see “somebody in charge”. The little blonde girl paged someone…he was there in 5 minutes. Lo and behold it was the General Manager Rob Egan. He escorted me upstairs to his office…and we discussed why I was so upset. He gave me the usual crap about keeping corporate sponsors happy and I was very polite and told him that didn’t solve my problem. I had to leave to take care of my dogs after waiting for 3+ hours and missing the game because no one could see it from inside. He produced for me two Neal-autographed program booklets and 2 tickets for another game. Hubby hid downstairs, but did text me to ask if I was ok? I will NEVER stand in line like that again.

  19. Milo Hamilton says:

    I hope Bedard was made to go on the pigeon shoot. :)

  20. The Gunner says:

    @ Jandy – 17

    I agree with you on JMac. He seems to be real fragile kinda like Charlie Morton. How do you feel about the much maligned Tabata?

    =================================

    @ TC – 16

    I think Maholm’s option was $9 million – he definitely was not worth that. But certainly the BMTIB / BMTIS could have let him go thru free agency and give him a little bit more than the Cubs offered him. Then, to top it off, they could have reacquired him at this year’s trade deadline.

    Oh well, like Joe Tucker would say when he was broadcasting Steeler games from 1933 to 1967, wait’ll next year.

  21. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Jandy

    Neal was obviously tending to his hair.

  22. Jandy says:

    Anyway, Cole was fine…he was getting guys out, even tho he had several walks. But defensive errors cost the runs that lost the first game of the double header. It was 1-0 going into the seventh I believe. The Curve won the second game 7-1.

  23. Karen22 says:

    I just saw the mast go under. Bye-bye Bedard won’t raise it, particularly if Correia is recycled into the rotation. One-third of the lineup still auto-outs. .500 is absolutely in jeopardy, and I start the day in baseball depression. UGH!

  24. radio wave says:

    How come many of our winter meeting pickups can’t last a full season?

  25. Milo Hamilton says:

    I really hope the Pirates replace Bedard’s spot with Jeff Locke. Not only because he deserves it, but for the entertainment value of Kevin Correia possibly losing his mind again. If the wheels are going to fall off, they might as well fall completely off.

  26. Jandy says:

    Milo, nah….Jimmy doesn’t care about his hair…you must have him confused with Letang…

  27. Jandy says:

    Gunner, after what I heard about Tabata last night…another lazy miss on a fly that cost us a run or two, I’m surprised AJ didn’t tell him to STFD and stay there!

  28. redus says:

    Too bad those glimmers with Bedard were only glimmers…what’s the word on Marte? I will say it is better watching Tabata make contact at the very least…Marte can hopefully come back stinging the ball. Hot streak starts tonight ladies and gents. Count on it…your house, your daughters and the 401k on it (no really, anyone want to put all that up on a 19-2 stretch???).

    OK here it is…last night showed why the Cardinals may not last in this race…their bullpen is mediocre at best. Hot Rod nearly tied that game up and Sanchez put a decent charge on one as well…Motte is like watching Matt Capps. Go ahead and stick with him Matheny. Either LA or our Bucs will be thanking you in a couple weeks.

    As for everything else last night, Cutch was clutch, Barmes delivered…just needed ONE from Snyder or Jones and today would look a little different. Can’t fault Harrison, he saved a run with the relay from Cutch…Hot Rod played dirty, would have been nice to see him get that Dong late. I am not sure what to make of Tabata…somethng is wrong.

  29. redus says:

    I have nothing to say about Pedro…just one lonely tear racing towards my beard.

  30. LuckyNKentucky says:

    So, I finally got one right. One out of 20 ain’t bad. I didn’t like the Bedard signing. Thought we should have kept Maholm. Paul’s ERA last season and this season is around 2 runs lower than Bedard and he stays on the field. I’m with Milo. Bring us Locke and see Correia go and pout again. Worth the price of admission. BTW, the first 3 hitters in the Indy lineup last night, d’Arnaud, Brock Holt and Presley had 9 hits between them. Holt is near .400 since his callup from AA. Leroux threw 97 pitches, so he won’t be ready to take Bedard’s spot, at least until Saturday, callup day.

  31. Jandy says:

    Lucky, I saw Holt in Altoona and he was impressive. He’s a keeper.

  32. Thundercrack says:

    Gunner,

    ‘But certainly the BMTIB / BMTIS could have let him go thru free agency and give him a little bit more than the Cubs offered him.’
    I believe that is way easier said than done. I don’t think he was coming back here.

    ‘Then, to top it off, they could have reacquired him at this year’s trade deadline.’ I have serious doubts that that scenario was ever realistic. And I believe Clint said that they weren’t in on him at the deadline.

    Lucky,
    I think Maholm was hurt last season for us (time on the DL), and maybe the year before that too.

  33. Steve says:

    Bucs are done. Epic late season collapse locks up 20th losing season.

    Do the Steelers release Batch in anticipation that no one else signs him? If Ben and Leftwich go down (yikes!) he may be available to come back?

  34. Jandy says:

    The Pirates are skidding. The NHL season will at least be delayed. I may as well get into charity work. Wait, the Steelers are starting up! I am saved!

  35. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lucky–most of us forget the 19 out of 20 times we were wrong. (note to Roberto—that’s “most of us,” not all of us and not necessarily you—”most of us.”)

  36. Naje says:

    Lucky…. Maholm was due a $9.75M option… re-signing him was not going to happen… even at a much reduced price, he was done with the PBC.

  37. Jandy says:

    “Most of us forget the 10 out of 20 times we were wrong.” Heck, I have trouble remembering what I had for lunch yesterday!

  38. Patrick(RI) says:

    I suppose amateur psychology is ingrained in baseball fans, especially long-suffering ones, but I am constantly amazed at comments about whether a player “cares.” I have seen two players in a long tenure as a Pirate fan that I really thought did not care (George Hendricks and Giles in his last days in Pittsburgh). Bedard is a pitcher who is at the end of his career — his “poker face” tells me nothing about his inner fire. On another site, one person complained that his attitude stunk because he “shrugged his shoulders” during a mound visit from the coach.

    Give these guys a break and focus on the results, not the looks. If the way we looked cost us jobs, only Pitt & Clooney could find work!

  39. Sarcastic Sword says:

    Still a good chance that this team loses more than it wins

  40. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Naje,

    Good point on that, but maybe a re-structured 2-year deal would have kept him. But you’re probably right.

    TC,

    I thought last season was Paul’s longest stint on the DL. Still a better track record than Bedard from that aspect. Still a moot point anyway. I always liked Maholm as a person and he didn’t get many runs last season to work with. No sense kickin’ a dead horse I guess, no pun intended.

    d’Arnaud’s average is up to .247. Not anything to scream about at the AA level, but they love him in the field. Tony Sanchez hit his 8th HR last night, too.

  41. Jandy says:

    Patrick (RI), I read your comment then scrolled up to see where someone said Bedard doesn’t care. I couldn’t find that. What I took from the comments were that he just doesn’t have it anymore. I’m curious to know, what is your take on Tabata?

  42. Thundercrack says:

    Tabata: Handsome, may be older than he looks, might care more than shows….or may be a bum.

  43. CWalton_67 says:

    We’ve learned from the Pirates again this year how important winning baseball can be in Pittsburgh. Even though I don’t believe this team can make the playoffs, it was still fun to be involved in the pennant race for a while. 82 is what matters now. And there is a good nucleus in place in terms of players.

    I understand that GMRS has to say he’s happy with the roster, but I don’t think this Pens team as constituted is a serious contender. Too small on offense, and not enough size or grit on the blue line. And we still have the head case in the crease. They’ll wind regular season games, but it will be the same story in the playoffs if things don’t change.

  44. JMB says:

    Paul Maholm was worth the $9.75mm option. He is having another solid 1.9 fWAR season — $5mm per 1fWAR is the going rate. The Cubs and now Braves got a huge bargain.

    Comparably Edwin Jackson,whom the FO offered $10mm for one season (IIRC) is also a 1.9 fWAR this season.

    Maholm might have taken 2/$14mm, but we’ll never know.

    Bedard gave us a 1.4 fWAR season, so for the money he was paid, the team got the a deal on the going rate. They just didnt give him any run support early in the season.

    I’ll give Tabby a break. As someone with tricky hips/groins, I give the dude credit for just playing on it. He can’t feel comfortable running out there.

  45. JMB says:

    Another comparison, AJB — our superstud — is now having a 2.2 fWAR season.

  46. Jandy says:

    TC, very astute of you on Tabata ;)

  47. Thundercrack says:

    Paul Maholm MIGHT be work $9.75 now – based upon his season & how he is pitching so far. In the offseason he was not worth $9.75. He didn’t get offered that type of contract from the Pirates or any other team.

    Was it raining when Tabata misplayed that fly ball? That playing field was awful. So I could see why some guys might not all-out sprint in the outfield. Well, Cutch was the only one that did sprint out there.

  48. Jandy says:

    TC I don’t know about the rain, so I can’t say. Tabata is definitely a horse of a different color. Who knows what goes on in his head. Our Asylum Leader Dk says he cares deeply. It would be nice if it showed at least once in a while.

  49. NMR says:

    “Bedard gave us a 1.4 fWAR season, so for the money he was paid, the team got the a deal on the going rate.”

    $4.5m is the going rate for a pitcher who cannot even last the entire season on a roster?

    ^Case study #1 for the danger of sabremetrics. There is no common sense coefficient.

    Think about what those numbers are actually saying. Erik Bedard was worth $4.5m. Pay the man, Shirley.

  50. pattonbb says:

    How long will Bedard stay unemployed? I say less than a day.

    Did I read that Huntington said he won’t call guys up just to “sit on the bench”? That’s great news, but other than Marte, who came up and played regularly? I can’t think of anyone. Too bad he didn’t have that philosophy a month ago.

    Count me as one hoping Locke gets a couple starts. No way Correia is in their plans for next year. Time to look at Indy and hope somebody can stop the bleeding. Or for that matter, Altoona.

  51. Naje says:

    Both Tabata and Snider have lower body muscle strains, pulls, tweaks, what-have-you… both of them in a pretty sloppy, wet outfield were going to have their problems… neither of them had much range at all.

    Stupid Huntington…all his fault that he let Gorkys go… he’d have caught everything last night.

  52. John Lease says:

    Bedard wasn’t worth squat. 7-14 with an ERA of 5 isn’t even replacement level. Good riddance, and I’m surprised the Pirates actually did it. He should have been replaced before Correia, I wonder if that was Clint’s call, since he clearly didn’t like Correia being replaced while he was on a roll.

    Of course Maholm would have been a better option, but the Pirates didn’t even consider it. He’s finally going to the playoffs.

  53. Arriba Wilver says:

    Patrick @#38. I agree with your point. And Jandy, I don’t know that it’s there today, but there’s been tons of criticism along the lines that Bedard doesn’t appear to care based on his expression or body language, both here and on the Fan, which I assume is what Patrick was referring to. At least no one can claim it was racist. Maybe xenophobia since he’s from Canada. :-)

    I’ll miss his interviews with the media. They were usually hilarious.

  54. JoeBucco says:

    I think we’re missing that fact that Bedard was lights out when pitching with 10 days rest or something like that. If we just skipped his every other start, plus off days, he would have been terrific for us this year.

  55. LuckyNKentucky says:

    JMB,

    No offense, but I like the old metrics like wins, losses, ERA and keeping your team in a game as opposed to WAR. 7-14, 5.01 and released in the middle of the stretch run makes Erik a non-bargain. I haven’t read Money Ball, but I saw the movie. What metric do we measure Tabata with? Is he hurt, lazy, distracted? I’m no Barmes lover, but give me a guy like him over Tabby any day.

  56. JoeBucco says:

    FWIW, Bedard should probably have been released after the game at Wrigley on trading deadline day when he gave up 9 runs in 4 innings in a loss that I feel like was the unofficial beginning of the wheels falling off.

  57. SeanAY says:

    Jeez, I go to Europe for 10 days and the team CONTINUES to fall apart.

    I don’t know if that means I should have stayed, or should never have left.

  58. Drew71 says:

    History…
    1. Maholm had an option for $9.75M that most thought, at THAT time, was too much.
    2. The Pirates did not exercise it.
    3. It was reported* that the Pirates wanted to sign Maholm to a different deal.
    4. It was reported* that when not exercised, Maholm instructed his agent to end contract discussions with the Pirates.

    * These were professional reports, including by, I believe, the TribR.

    Putting all that together, if all true, the appropriate financial comparison for Maholm and the Pirates is to what it would have cost the Pirates to keep him. $9.75m. Not what the Cubs paid Maholm or what the Pirates later paid Bedard. Those are interesting things to look at, but if the reports were accurate, and I assume they were, for the Pirates (only) it was $9.75m or bust.

    All that said. In retrospect, it appears he would have earned it.

    Many thought otherwise at THAT time. But as I’ve seen Arriba and others write from time to time, a team’s professional talent evaluators (not bloggers) are paid to make those evaluations.

  59. Milo Hamilton says:

    fWAR ? I’m busy trying to get the kids off to school, balance the checkbook, make sure the bills are paid etc.. Not only do I not know what fWAR is, I have no desire to find out. How did we ever know Ted Williams was any good without fWAR ?

    fWAR, what is it good for ? Absolutely nothing. Say it again.

  60. The Gunner says:

    One of my co-workers was listening to CH on the Fan this AM, and apparently he is not too happy with Scabata’s mode of play last night. I know I do a lot of Scabata bashing, probably more than I should. But what really grinds me is this: if Scabby has physical problems that preclude him from going all out, why does the BMTIB / BMTIS continually run him out there? Are these people retarded or what??? I still think Presley would have been a better option when Marte went down. #31 is a huge liability, especially in a pennant race.

    As far as the Maholm talk, I really don’t think CH was a big Maholm supporter and that is why they made little or no effort to re-sign or re-acquire him.

    All I can say is let’s hope JMac puts forth a great effort tonight. And, if he starts to falter early on, for God’s sake, get him out of there!!

  61. Milo Hamilton says:

    Erik Bedard was 5-12 when they were 16 games over .500. That’s nearly a statistical impossibility.

  62. patrick(RI) says:

    Stepped away from my computer — not ducking questions. I was referring to general comments, with particular focus on Bedard. As for Tabata, an enigma for sure ( did I imagine DK picked him for a breakout season?)

  63. JaxBuc says:

    Yesterday morning I posted the following on this blog:

    “22. JaxBuc August 27th, 2012 – 8:33 am

    1. Bedard is a MLB starter.
    2. Barajas is the #1 catcher.
    3. Jordy Mercer gets to play a few innings every couple of weeks.

    Exasperated Pirate fans, these are souces of much frustration. The folks running the ballclub seem to consider these three points as inate truths. The rest of us are perplexed by these points. There are 35 games left. Let’s hope that there is a change of opinion before it’s too late.”

    I had NO IDEA I had so much power! I feel bad, but I’m sure Mr. Bedard will be given another opportunity with another ballclub. Now, if Mercer starts tonights game, I’ll know that they are LISTENNG TO ME.

    Now I need to update my list, since they’ve addressed number 1.

    Exasperated Pirate fans, these are souces of much frustration. The folks running the ballclub seem to consider these (updated) three points as inate truths. The rest of us are perplexed by these points.
    1. Barajas is the #1 catcher.
    2. Jordy Mercer gets to play a few innings every couple of weeks.
    3. AMac should be trying to steal bases at critical points.

  64. Absolute59 says:

    MH: “fWAR, what is it good for ? Absolutely nothing. Say it again.” Thanks for my morning chuckle.

  65. Arriba Wilver says:

    Gunner–not sure what your co-worker was referring to. I heard that part of the interview and wouldn’t describe it that way, except in one respect. Giannotti asked Clint what he saw from Tabata since his recall, and Clint said, ” what have you seen?”. So GG said mainly complimentary things, with the exception of that Tabata sometimes seemed a little spacey in the field and on the bases. Clint said he basically agreed with GG’s observations, but wouldn’t agree to spacey. He was very complimentary of Tabby’s approach at the plate since his recall. The one thing where he did say Tabby needed to improve still (without saying he had fully arrived otherwise) was in worrying about getting injured. What I took from that based on the context was that Clint thinks his problems on the bases and like on that play in left last night are still based on too much focus/concern about injury. In that respect, he didn’t sound pleased.

  66. JohninOshkosh says:

    Erik Bedard’s legacy to the PBC? Ten years from now his name will come up and some Pirate fan will say “Oh yeah, he did pitch for the Pirates.”

    Do like Erik spelled with a “k” No offense intended, Eric Bowser!

    @Jandy Who cares how Cole looked, how about the “little blonde girl” ?!

    And I will proudly own my middle age status here: I hate sabermetrics.

  67. LuckyNKentucky says:

    John,

    Good man!

    On Wisconsin!

  68. Jandy says:

    Good God ya’ll…what is it good for…absolutely NOTHING (fWAR)

  69. JoeBucco says:

    I think the f in fWAR is for when you are really going for dramatic effect with the statistic. Like the way we use GFJ for Garrett Jones.

    To use in a sentence. Can you believe Erik Bedard had a positive WAR value? Seriously, it was a 1 point something fWAR!
    :)

  70. Jandy says:

    OshKosh, the little blonde girl was cute…very cute…and when I told her I didn’t want to yell at her, so to get me a big man in charge, she said “Oh, thank you!” No way could I yell at her, she was too tiny. Besides, she wasn’t in charge of the decision-making in how the autographs were handled.
    She’d have melted your heart…

  71. Jandy says:

    Joe, that f, is that like in facking?

  72. Arriba Wilver says:

    Speaking of the Hurdle interview, I missed the beginning when they probably talked about Bedard, but did catch that they have not decided who will take Bedard’s next turn, and that he made it pretty clear that he wasn’t pleased with Correia’s reaction to being demoted before, although he was in a good place now. (one for you, Milo)

  73. JoeBucco says:

    Ha, I think so Jandy. Something like that.

  74. Bizrow says:

    This is not the “pennant race” I was hoping for.

    What an odd time for the Bedard move, could have at least removed him from the rotation several starts ago.

    Don’t know if its too late now, but the Fat Lady is gargling

  75. Arriba Wilver says:

    Biz–who’d a thunk it after we saw him opening day?

  76. Thundercrack says:

    I wondered how Giannottie of the FAN knew that Bedard never talked to anyone in the clubhouse. He was ranting about that this morning.
    Whenever I saw him in the dugout he seemed like he was talking/joking/smiling with teammates.

  77. JoeBucco says:

    BTW, I just noticed that Miguel Sano is leading the Class A Midwest League in home runs this year. I know, kick us while we’re down. Just sayin…

  78. Jandy says:

    patrick(RI) thanks for clarifying on Bedard. I’d never hold his facial expressions or lack of against him, but I do go by results…agree with you on Tabby!

  79. The Gunner says:

    @ Jandy – 69

    Sounds like you are a disciple of the late, great Edwin Starr (also of “25 Miles” fame)

  80. JoeBucco says:

    Not sure if it is worth repeating, but we still have, by a large margin, the softest schedule of any remaining playoff contenders.

    That being said, losses tonight and tomorrow would be killers. Tonight is hands down the biggest game of the season.

    Just like last night.

  81. Thundercrack says:

    JoeBucco,
    Keith Law had a blog article about him on espn.com (it was ‘insider’ so I couldn’t read the whole thing).

    From the title I got the idea that Sano’s hitting was great, but his fielding not-so-much.

  82. Arriba Wilver says:

    I hope Foo’s not paying attention to this Sano talk.

  83. Jandy says:

    Gunner ~ HE** YEAH!!

  84. Thundercrack says:

    AW,
    He may be too busy compiling all the stats of the minor leaguers we should call up, plus making the list of mistakes made by Clint.

    :-)

  85. JoeBucco says:

    I vote we replace Bedard with Jeff Locke, one lefty for another.

    And if J-Mac struggles again tonight, I think he goes to the DL and we replace him with none other than Henricus Nicolas van den Hurk. Rick’s having a great year in Indy.

    Those guys are two of the top 5 in the IL in ERA this year. Worth a shot for sure I would think.

  86. Jandy says:

    We need to put Foo on milk caton!

  87. Jandy says:

    errr carton…darn typos ::grumbling::

  88. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Joe B.

    I believe our schedule you mentioned will get us over the 82 hump. (Maybe not an “absolute lock” but close). Those “playing for the future” teams like the Cubs and the Astros don’t have 19 years of losing ball to deal with. The pressure will be off for next year and the coming years, as far as folding after the ASB. With the pitching we have coming, things are bright. Just wish we could have kept the pace this year. Reminds me personally of the first playoff team for the Steelers, then the first Super Bowl, then all those years of success in a row. That’s coming for the Bucs.

  89. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy–Foo might be headed to Altoona to check out the little blond girl you described.

  90. Dave says:

    Does this make this the additions through free agency of this past offseason a failure? I mean we signed the Failure B’s Bedard, Barmes, and Barajas. None of the 3 belong on a MLB team right now or for awhile.

  91. Jandy says:

    Lucky, I’m with you, man.

    AW, lol…he might have to stand in line for 3+ hours ;)

  92. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Well, now what?

    I’d like to see one of the AAA guys come up and take a start or two.

    But this shouldn’t be a way to go after a playoff spot, using AAA guys. They could be a bonus.

    Maybe something is in the works, but I doubt it.

    Correia is not the answer, if that’s what they go with, then pack it in.

    I only trust AJ and JK on the mound right now. JK is a big stretch for me, but I’m a believer.

    Pitching and defense is the name of the game.

    Barajas should be next on the chopping block.

  93. DemonDachshund says:

    I’m kind of middle of the road when it comes to sabremetrics… I think that moving to OPS over BA and RBIs and such makes sense, but I also think that when you try to reduce a player’s value to one number like WAR, you’re at best going to get most players in the right ballpark. The numbers I’ve seen for fielding are also mindboggling at times… If the numbers often seem completely wrong, I tend to not trust those “stats”.

    Also, not sure what fWAR is (fielding independent or some such garbage?) but ESPN shows Bedard’s WAR as -0.8. So he would have been worth having if he had paid the Bucs about $4M dollars this year.

  94. Thundercrack says:

    I have a question for everyone who is so eager to have players from AAA called up and take prominent roles in our starting rotation – and maybe even at SS & LF:

    Do you want these minor leaguers up now because you think they have the talent to succeed now and help the team?

    -or-

    Do you think that we can no longer go with the status-quo, we have to try something/anything different at this point?

    Personally, I am fine with cutting Bedard and going with Corria. But at this point I am leaning towards going with the horses that brought you this far. I just don’t see a feel-good story from the minors / lightening in a bottle coming up and really making a difference. I hope I am wrong.

  95. Bizrow says:

    @AW, yup, but Bedard has pretty much fallen in the tank since June

    BTW, I’m reupping my plan if you are interested for next years Opening Day

  96. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    We need to realize that there is a big difference between MLB and AAA.

    Just because a pitcher is having a great year at AAA, doesn’t mean it will carry over.

    However, good pitching, beats good hitting and as the Pirates have proved against recent AAA pitching, if they don’t know the pitchers, its hard to hit off of them.

    If they (AAA) pitchers can be a bit of a spark and go a solid 6 innings, I’m all good with that.

  97. JohninOshkosh says:

    It is truly an interesting life Dejan lives. I get a call or text at 1:00 AM and my first thought is there is something wrong with someone in my family. Dejan gets calls from sources (Pirate executive maybe?) telling him a pitcher has been released. That’s why I read him. :)

  98. Bizrow says:

    @TC – other than 3 starting pitchers, I don’t think there is much available to help us in AAA.

    And at SS, what with Barmes signed for next year, well, the job is his,

  99. Jandy says:

    OshKosh, wait till DK’s kids get older…he won’t know which type of call he’s getting!

  100. DemonDachshund says:

    Ah, fWAR = FanGraph’s WAR. rWAR = baseball reference WAR.

    Two different formulas by two different sites.

    Given the Bedard example, I’m going to use the rWAR as a more accurate reflection for this case, assuming ESPN is using rWAR.

  101. JohnS says:

    I hate to defend Tabata but on that double last night did anyone notice where he was playing? He was shallow and more toward the line. The first time I saw it I wondered how he didn’t get there but after watching the replay and seeing where he started it didn’t surprise me. Would Gorkys have caught it? I say absolutely but he was by far the Pirates best outfielder and that includes AM.

    Has there ever been a team that gets hurt more by the other team’s pitchers more than the Pirates. This year has been a big improvement over the past few but it still seems like it happens a lot.

    I can’t imagine why any team would sacrifice a runner to second against the Pirates when it is probably easier to jsut steal second. The pirates who have guys with pretty good speed can’t steal a base to save their lives. Cutch has 15 steals in 25 attempts. I for one don’t want to see him running.

    New day, new game. Every winning streak starts with one in a row.

  102. Thundercrack says:

    JohnS, good point. I wonder if Cutch was calling for it, and Tabata backed off a bit.

  103. Arriba Wilver says:

    I saw the replay on the play in left and tabs was never going full speed to get it. It was another in the line of plays where he doesn’t go full out. According to Clint that’s because he’s worried about getting hurt. That’s the long way of saying I don’t think the problem was where he was playing or Cutch calling him off. And I don’t think Clint thought so, either. As someone else pointed out, that ball was in the air a LONG time.

  104. The Gunner says:

    @ Jandy – 85

    uh uh, uh uh……..I’m so tired

    ==================================

    @ JohnS – 103

    you might have a point about Scabata. I am starting to mellow out in my old age.

  105. Baywatch says:

    I watched Bedard’s last game the other day, and given I’m fairly swooned by this August we’re having, I must say the “slow heartbeat” Hurdle often praised him for had turned into “Man, this is the slowest-working-guy on the planet” for me! I figure slow heartbeat is BAD sometimes. He may benefit from Geritol!

  106. JRay3 says:

    Well finally the FO decides to make a move that is necessary of a team competing of a playoff spot, but is it too late?

    Jeff Locke, Kyle McPherson get one of them into the rotation. Need Marte healthy and until than if Tabata is back to thinking he has to protect himself from injury after a brief period where it looked like he snapped out of it only to get hurt than get somebody else up here now.

    As for the lineup what do you do? Barajas is back to hitting below .200, the bench pieces are lacking, and Barmes is actually one of our better hitters of late.

    Really need these two against the Cardinals.

  107. albatross says:

    My initial reaction was that Tabata wasn’t going all out and that McCutchen was trying to make up for that with an extra burst at the end of his run, hence the slip. It was definitely raining pretty hard at the time, so maybe Jose was afraid of slipping and getting hurt. Still no excuse, but more understandable.

  108. Jandy says:

    …but I just can’t lose my stride…

  109. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Jray

    Its not too late. Last night was one game. Still have a whole month of baseball to play.

    I’m hoping September becomes July for these guys again.

    One can always hope.

  110. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Since the double was brought up, I’ll add my 2 cents.

    Tabata’s angle to the ball was one in which he had to be playing towards the line and shallow.

    If the CF is in the area of the ball, it should’ve been his. It was a difficult play for both OFers. But I have to go on the side that,

    A. Tabata was playing towards the line B. Cutch came up lame.

    Either way, that wasn’t the deciding factor in the game.

  111. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I have been a semi-defender of Barajas because of his relationship with the pitchers, especially AJ, but its time for the guy to go.

    Problem is, there isn’t anybody in the system ready for the show and the fort has come down to reality.

  112. JMB says:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/war/differences-fwar-rwar/

    ● Pitcher Value. fWAR uses FIP [FIELDING INDEPENDENT] to calculate WAR for pitchers — making it defense independent – while rWAR takes a pitcher’s run allowed and adjusts it for their opponents, team defense, park, and role.

    More on FIP — http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/war/calculating-war-pitchers/

    ******************************************************************************

    I agree that these stats aren’t the be all end all, but they give a reference/conversation point.

    I think TC said that Maholm wasn’t worth $10mm before the season, but fWAR says that he was based on his last few seasons.

    As others have said, it’s all water under the bridge.

    ****************************************

    Yo DK –

    I don’t know if you follow Alan Sepinwall on twitter, but you might enjoy this link on Mike/Jonathan Banks. All Jonathan B’s are good dudes. haha.

    http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/breaking-bad-co-star-jonathan-banks-on-mikes-death-and-life

  113. TJA says:

    You know what? With September on our doorstep and the NFL/College football starting this coming week…I absolutely love the passion that we are still hearing for the Pirates. Yea, I am on board with all that is being said and the frustrations with the team and management and so on. I am on the road a lot for my job and listening to sports talk radio and what we see here on this blog and others and read in the papers…there STILL is a real passion for the Pirates. It’s been awhile that we have entered September talking about the Bucs as much a this year.

  114. JMB says:

    An extra $13mm coming in 2014!

    I hope NH spends it wisely.

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/28/the-new-tv-deals-are-going-to-be-a-windfall-of-all-30-teams/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    “annual payment to each team will jump from just over $10 million to around $23 million.”

  115. Jandy says:

    Ryan & TJA have the right attitude. While we get down over their losses, this season has been an improvement. Let’s HOPE for a good September.

  116. DemonDachshund says:

    That $13M will pay for a lot of ski lifts.

  117. albatross says:

    @JMB

    Cool, another Sepinwall fan. I’ve been reading his stuff since he was a columnist for the Newark Star-Ledger. This blog’s commenters are very similar to his. Brilliant, sarcastic when necessary and always considerate. :) (Sorry about the emoticon)

  118. TJA says:

    Thank you, Jandy.

  119. Jandy says:

    DD ~ lol

    TJA, hey, it’s true :)

  120. bobhasis says:

    I know a little left-handed leftfielder who would have a made a nice running catch on that ball, saved Cutch a possible leg injury and stopped a 2-run game tying rally.

    But alas, that dude doesn’t get much mention anymore, and next year he’ll end up on the roster of another team, and batting leadoff. But NH and CH are unaware of such potential – only the unrequited lazy kind; you know Tabata, Pedro, et al

  121. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    My question for GM Neil Pack-it-in is if you’re going all bold and accountable now and releasing an underachieving Bedard for the last month of the season, what are Barmes, The Scab and HotRod still doing here? I understand all their values/shortcomings and really appreciate Barmes’ and HotRod’s passion, but that’s our big move to fix things? Seriously?! Yeah Bedard had been awful, but our offense has been about as vibrant and colorful as a glass of water.

  122. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Totally agree with Bob Walk’s stance on DH in NL, but Buccos almost make it look like a good idea…

  123. bobhasis says:

    Brad, I totally agree with everything in #123, but in #124, we can’t even find 8 offensively skilled batters , I think 9 would be a tad harder.
    Let the DH be in the “other” league.

  124. bobhasis says:

    This Bedard fiasco reveals to me very clearly that NH and CH do not have a clue!

    When it was announced that Correia was coming out of the rotation, at that time it should have been Bedard. All Correia did was start six games in a row – WHICH WE WON – and Bedard almost replicated that string but on the losing side.

    So what were the two geniuses studying when that decision was made.

  125. The Gunner says:

    @ Bob H – 122

    You are correct that Presley would have been a much better option than Scatata. AP brings some passion / fire to the party, more pop with the bat, and has much more of “a run thru a wall” mentality than the tepid #31.

    I know you are a long time Buc fan like me (went to my 1st game @ Forbes Field in 1957.) Joe Brown, Danny Murtaugh & Co. would have cut #31 loose a long time ago.

  126. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Bob

    NO, that certain little left hander you spoke of, would not have caught that ball.

    He runs worse routes to the ball than Tabata does. And Tabby didn’t get to it, because of positioning.

    The only one that would’ve gotten to it would probably have been Gorkys.

  127. Dave says:

    Yay it’s nice to see we’re shifting around chairs on the Titantic by releasing Bedard and replacing him with Correia in the rotation. This after calling up a slumping Jeff Clement to replace Navarro, and acquiring a LHP off waivers from Anaheim instead of promoting from within. Huntington is in way over his head and 79 wins or less is on the horizon for the season.

  128. Dave says:

    By the way since we’re making Bedard accountable for his failures the last few starts he’s made when do the Pirates make Barajas and Barmes accountable for their failures? Barajas hasn’t hit since June and Barmes still may be the worst offensive player in the majors this year.

  129. Jandy says:

    Dave, I have to disagree on Barmes being a defensive liability. I’ve watched quite a few games, and Barmes, is usually spot on with his fielding. Not sure who you’re watching, but it’s not Barmes.

  130. Jandy says:

    I meant to add, before I clicked submit…that barmes has been hitting much better the last 5 – 6 weeks. I don’t do stats. Anyone?

  131. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Jandy

    Barmes hitting .288 this month with 9 RBI. Not soff.

  132. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    @Bob

    I totally agree with you- would never want to see the DH implemented. I think it’s a huge cop-out concept and also a shame that pitchers aren’t encouraged to at least put up more of a fight at the plate. I love those rare occasions when a pitcher has a 9 pitch AB and get’s a RBI in the end. Of course, it sucks when it’s the other team is doing it to us.

  133. diehard says:

    @Jandy – you’re poking around for RobertoF to jump in on that one! But – Barmes is hitting .288 in August, and .260 since the All Star break. With the exception of his OBP and BA rising due to hitting a few more singles and walking twice as frequently, Barmes pre- and post-All Star stats project to look remarkably the same.

  134. Jandy says:

    Thanks Milo. I was a Barmes basher, but after some of the other options, I’m no longer bashing him lol.

    diehard, RF doesn’t bother me. On his good days, he’s informative and funny. On his bad days, I either find him amusing or I just ignore him. No worries here. As far as Barmes, his fielding is darn near perfect. Since he’s been acceptable at the plate, I find him a better option that what else is available.

  135. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Is there any chance of convincing Mario to buy the PBC in the next week?

  136. Jandy says:

    I forgot my disclaimer to my last post…
    “But what do I know?”

    (thanks Lucky)

  137. Jandy says:

    lol Brad, that’s been tossed around for a few years now…we can dream :)

  138. Boise Bucco says:

    Re: Tabata vs. Presley–why don’t we just argue about what tastes better between fried crap and baked crap, because that’s what you’re doing. Tabata’s been caught stealing approximately one million times, and Presley’s OBP is at .275 right now. By contrast, Barajas’ OBP is .276, so that just shows you how awesome he is. Presley’s upside is McLouth without the All-Star year.

    The ONLY reason either of them are playing is because Marte is on the shelf; this is what happens when starters go on the DL. The Bucs gotta suck it up and play with who they have. Once Marte comes back, Tabata either goes back to the bench or goes back to Indy to figure out how to not get picked off.

    Re: Maholm–no one in Pittsburgh wanted him back for $8.5 million. No freakin’ one. We all said “Give Paul the Ball!” for $3M or whatever he made last year, but we knew he wasn’t getting his option picked up–he was Kevin Correia before Correia was Kevin Correia. So he’s having an awesome year–GREAT for him, and he’s gonna get PAID. By the Yankees, or the Sox, or the Angels, or the Dodgers. But before last year’s 3.66 ERA, the year before that was a 5.10, and the year before that was a 4.44, and the year before that was a 3.71, then a 5.02. If he would’ve gone out and had another 4.50 ERA season, no one would’ve batted an eye. The only reason any of us even notice him this year is because he’s actually having a GOOD year.

    I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and suggest that maybe, just maybe, the “BMTIB” actually wants to try to win ballgames, and they’re actually doing what they can to make that happen. For everyone to just say “oh get rid of Barajas and Barmes and Tabata” –ok, and replace them with who exactly? Sanchez and Mercer and Presley? Or worse–Eric Fryer and Chase D’Arnaud? If these guys were that much better, they’d be playing more. Triple-A stats look nice and pretty, but they don’t mean jack. We clamored for Jeff Clement all year, and now that he’s up we gave him about one and a half at-bats before we were ready to send his butt back to Indy.

  139. Thundercrack says:

    It seems like replacing a starting pitcher is easier to do than replacing a starting shortstop and a catcher that plays 50% of the time.

    In a typical Pirate season I would be all for J. Mercer getting playing time. But if he played now I tend to think that his batting average won’t be much different than Barmes’ and his fielding wouldn’t be as good.

  140. diehard says:

    I just wish we could stick Barmes in the #8 spot and have him be our only #8 hitter!
    Soooo, is Gregg Ritchie employed by the PBC in 2013?

  141. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Totally agree with 99% of Boise, but BMTIB are the ones that put these guys out there in the first place with nothing better waiting. Most people scratched their heads at the offseason signings- now we are pulling our hair out (well, what’s left of mine, anyway).

  142. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Blue Field Bucco,

    I really enjoyed your post #141. I can’t help you choose, though, as I haven’t tried either of the delicasies you mentioned. I agree, though. Hindsight is 20/20 on Paul. And AAA is definitely not the majors.

  143. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Sorry, Boise. Number 140.

  144. Jag7 says:

    PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS AT AAA! stop treating them like they’re 6 year olds. That if they come up and have a bad outing they’re whole career will be shot. And would someone please teach Tabata how to take an appropriate angle to catch a fly ball over his head. Both of those in LC should’ve been caught last nite.

  145. JMB says:

    @BB

    Sorry, but I have to disagree. There were posters on this site and the pay site who wanted to keep Maholm at $10mm based on his 2 fWAR the last few years. Where’s FOO when I need him for some backup? I don’t think FOO lives in Pittsburgh, and I dont either. So you’re literally correct, I guess.

    We have a SABR GM, so the fact that he didnt pick up the Maholm option is somewhat surprising. But really nothing NH does should surprised anyone at this point.

  146. Jandy says:

    TC ~ agreed on Mercer/Barmes. AND I was all for Mercer coming up. His bat hasn’t been that great and his fielding is no better than Barmes, if as good. I like him…but I’m hoping he improves both aspects.

  147. Jandy says:

    I’ll bet Foo’s better half made him go to the mall for shoes ;)

  148. Thundercrack says:

    I heard NH say that Maholms most recent stats at PNC Park – as a Pirate pitcher – were not that good. They should have been better, since PNC is considered a pitcher’s park.

  149. Boise Bucco says:

    @JMB–I was over on the PPV too, although not too much. Maybe I’m just remembering it how I want to remember it, but all I really remember is just a general feeling of “well, Maholm signed with the Cubs WHEN’S BURNETT GONNA GET TRADED OMG”

    Personally, I always liked the guy and I thought he got a raw deal just having to deal with so many bad Pirate teams, but I didn’t think he was worth $8.5M. Every time he’d have a good start, you could bet he’d follow it up with a bad one. Remember that Mets game last year, when the Bucs got off to like a 7-0 lead off Pelfrey in the 1st, and Maholm ended up blowing it? I don’t recall anyone wanting to re-sign Maholm after that one hahaha…I was hoping that they could work something out, but in the end it didn’t happen.

  150. Cmat0829 says:

    Re: Bedard…..good move and I for one believe it is a positive that the team got to the point that they just couldn’t afford to let Bedard pitch any more games….. I really don’t care to indulge is so much of the “hindsight” opinions so many have on this blog. Keep Maholm after his maddening pitching in Pittsburgh for $10m per year? Please…..don’t peddle that crap on here……most folks thought Bedard was a good signing, me included…at the time. He hasn’t been. Move on.

    Re:Tabata. Pretty clear to me the conditions altered all of the fielders last night….if wrong then Clint needs to do the right thing and bench Tabata. A manager needs to play the best nine he has…..I personally think Jose is one of those the moment.

    The BUCS need to keep grinding….last night was an improvement but they are out of runway…need two wins vs cards.

  151. Milo Hamilton says:

    Coming up next, we’ll discuss why we didn’t re-sign Doug Drabek in 1993.

  152. Jandy says:

    OK, Milo, so why didn’t we????

  153. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @BB

    Nailed it with #140.

    Easy to get rid of guys when you have the replacements.

  154. diehard says:

    Drabek wanted to go home to Houston. Like Bonilla wanted to go home to New York. And Bonds wanted to go home to San Francisco.

  155. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Milo

    Because he chose to go home and suck it up in Houston?

  156. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Jandy

    The Hendricks brothers played Ted Simmons for a fool but that’s neither here nor there.

  157. Jandy says:

    OK so it’s not that the Pirates didn’t sign Drabek, it’s that Drabek didn’t sign with the Pirates.

  158. DemonDachshund says:

    @Jandy -

    The bad news with Barmes is that along with his improved hitting, he has 5 errors so far in August. It’s like there’s a limit on how much of his play can be at an acceptable level.

  159. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Ryan

    He finally made the All Star team in Houston, something he never did in Pittsburgh. I think talking about that is equally as relevant as talking about Paul Maholm. THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO PAY EITHER OF THEM.

  160. Jandy says:

    DD is it that many? I don’t think I saw them all, then. Hopw many does Pedro have?

  161. Jandy says:

    Milo, do they pay anyone?

  162. Forbes Field Bob says:

    I said it two months ago and two days ago…release Bedard and Correa. Let the kids from Altoona up here….look beyond this year…..get them in a pennant race now. They may surprise since NL clubs won’t have seen them but no matter what they will gain experience so can start next year on a run…Correa is gone after this year so let’s find out who is ready to really help us next year. We are a “now” society….but let’s see if these kids can be part of future before Cole and Taillon get here.

  163. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Jandy

    Sure they do. They’ll be paying Cutch soon. Big bucks too. It’s just that they weren’t going to pay Paul Maholm $9.75 million.

  164. Forbes Field Bob says:

    Meant kids from Indianapolis…not Altoona

  165. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Milo

    I agree that the conversation is irrelevant.

    Making the All-Star team doesn’t actually make you an All-Star player…..know what I mean?

  166. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    BTW, I’d rather have his Cy Young as a Pirate than an All-Star selection with the Astros

    but I digress

  167. DemonDachshund says:

    @Jandy -

    Barmes had 2 errors on the 12th, 2 errors on Friday, and 1 last night.

    Looks like Pedro has 6 errors in August.

    Walker also has at least 3 since hurting his hand, didn’t search through the whole month.

    The pitching’s been rough and all, but the defense has been absolutely embarrassing at times.

  168. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    #166

    I’ll take those 2 kids down in Altoona as well!!

    Next year though.

  169. DemonDachshund says:

    Sorry, that’s actually 2 for Walker since the hand injury… The 3rd was the day before.

  170. Milo Hamilton says:

    @Ryan

    He was a heckuva pitcher. Ironically, that All Star Game was in Pittsburgh.

  171. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @DD

    5 errors is rough for a month’s worth of work.

    Out of curiousity, did you happen to notice the difference in chances Barmes, Pedro, and Walker had?

    Might help with the ratio of errors to chances.

    Still a crappy stat though.

  172. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Milo

    I liked him, no doubt. My favorite from that time frame was Randy Tomlin.

    Don’t know why, probably because I was a lefty as well. (still am, just don’t pitch anything but BP anymore.)

  173. Boise Bucco says:

    @Forbes–I’m kinda feeling the same way…I don’t want to, but at this point, what do the Bucs have to lose? Basically, since the Bucs are 9 games back of the Reds and 3 games back of the Wildcard, they need to do something to shake it up…Correia would be “fine,” but that’s more or less treading water, and it doesn’t say anything about next year. Might as well go with an arm from Indy, just to see what you have for next year. Worst case scenario, the Bucs lose the games that Correia would’ve probably lost anyway, and there’s always a chance that one of these guys could have an Oliver Perez/Zach Duke/Ian Snell-type rookie year, where they come out and win a few games right off the bat. And like I said up top in like post #4 or something, it sends a message to the team that they’re counting on guys from Indy to come in and contribute Right Away–there’s not learning curve, there’s no time to get adjusted–they expect results, right now. And they’re not gonna call your number from Indy until they think you’re ready to contribute in a pennant-race-level-type environment.

  174. Jandy says:

    Guys, I remember watching Drabek pitch. He was good.

    Ryan and DD, I do believe, like DD said, that the defense has been sloppy pretty much across the board. Barmes has been consistently good in his fielding.

  175. Milo Hamilton says:

    A chat is happening on The Pay Per Blog. A question was posed about the Pirates pressing. Here’s part of the answer – “Trying too hard has been this team’s biggest problem this season…”

    People are paying for that incisive analysis. Actual money.

    Thank you Dejan for all you do.

  176. JMB says:

    I read the Dodgers want another SP. I wander if Bedard will end up with them.

  177. Jandy says:

    Milo, I second that emotion!

  178. Milo Hamilton says:

    @JMB

    I don’t think he makes enough money. Not a big enough splash. I’ve heard Mark Buerhle.

  179. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @JMB

    I read the same info, but Bedard is too cheap for them.

    The Dodgers asked the Yankees about CC and Tex? Good grief they are going crazy.

    I hope the Giants win that division even moreso now.

  180. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Milo

    It seems as though great minds think alike today……

  181. LuckyNKentucky says:

    What would the Dodgers do to fix Bedard, anyway? Tweak his delivery? Or, like Joe Bucco said earler, let him pitch every 10 days? I would imagine they need more than 4 or 5 innings out of their starters on a regular basis. Their bullpen is not as good as ours.

  182. pattonbb says:

    Here’s the question being posed to fans on MLB for today’s Intentional Talk –

    “Why should fans believe the Pirates can still make the postseason?”

  183. Milo Hamilton says:

    Kristy is still mum on today’s roster move. I’m getting the feeling it’s not Indianapolis related.

  184. Milo Hamilton says:

    @patton

    Because they’re delusional ?

  185. buggee says:

    @Jandy —-> Re #18: Jandylicious, what an ordeal! Bedard could stand in line for you since he no longer has a job

  186. Arriba Wilver says:

    For the people assuming Correia will be slotted into Bedard’s position, you are probably right, but when Clint was asked on the Fan how he viewed looking at experience vs inexperience for the starting pitchers he said he agreed with the prevailing MLB view that “stuff plays.”. Interesting. Obviously it will be a joint decision, not just Clint’s. ( he also said they will have to look at things like how Houston does against righties and lefties. ). But “stuff plays” doesn’t seem to favor Kevin, and like I said earlier, he was pretty clear he didn’t think Kevin’s reaction to the earlier demotion was very professional. Food for thought.

  187. Thundercrack says:

    What would the Dodgers do to fix Bedard, anyway?

    Move the fences back

  188. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bedard’s next start would have been against the Brewers, with the Astros to follow. Hmmm. I was pretty sure he said the Astros. It was early.

  189. Jandy says:

    TC ~ BOOM!

  190. Milo Hamilton says:

    Chase D’Arnaud has been recalled. Huh ?

  191. Milo Hamilton says:

    ANTS >>>>>>>>

  192. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sounds like Chase will be in the HOUSE.

  193. Jandy says:

    buggee, I was madder than a hornet, but poor hubby was speechless. He didn’t know what to do…hide or clobber me,it was hilarious afterwards. But like I said…never again!
    And then I had the gall to tell poor Rob that the entire thing was poorly set-up. He said the biggest problem was that they were unprepared for the huge turnout that came to see James Neal. Now…if Kris Letang ever gets to the Curve, the whole place will be total chaos, just imagine!!!!!

  194. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Guess a 4-hit night plays for Chase?

    Good one, TC.

  195. Jandy says:

    OO0< OO0< OO0< OO0< OO0< OO0< OO0< OO0< OO0<

  196. buggee says:

    Jandylicious —> at least you got to see a cute little blond femme fatale

  197. Jandy says:

    buggee, you’re being a sick puppy, so I’ll let that one slide :p

 
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