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Final: Cubs 12, Pirates 2

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (72-64) vs. Chicago Cubs (51-86)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Chicago LHP Travis Wood

  1. Brock Holt, 2B
  2. Starling Marte, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Josh Harrison, SS
  9. A.J. Burnett, RHP


  1. Marte is back!!!

    Josh Harrison at short = unprotected sex

  2. Jandy says:

    You’re kidding me…JHay?? Oh my…

  3. Jandy says:

    I hope Barajas makes me eat my words and hits a homer tonight!

  4. Chico says:

    Man, Joshy over Holt at short. Don’t get it.

  5. 2B is Josh Harrison’s 2nd best position after 3B
    SS is Josh Harrison’s 6th best position, after 3B, 2B, RF, LF, popcorn vendor

    Brock Holt played his whole AA season at short, and 9 of 24 AAA games at short, but Holt is at 2B and Harrison is at short.

    BAD OMEN!!!

  6. NMR says:


    You’re very much entitled to your opinion, I just don’t remember you sharing that one regarding the trade deadline in all this time. It also doesn’t seem your MO to blame one guy, especially when all he did was improve three positions at the trade deadline.

    I certainly think Huntington could’ve done better, but that can be said for every player and coach as well. I’m just not sure how you can put the blame on one person unless you view the trade deadline as some sort of panacea.

  7. pattonbb says:

    Guess Barmes’ defense isn’t as important to Clint as his career.083 average against Wood.

  8. cmat0829 says:

    JayHey has really been OK at SS this year… admit that’s an “eye test” from watching all the games but I am ready for the stats to prove me otherwise… I prefer Barmes for his steady D of course, but JayHey does give it his all.

  9. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    I agree with Groat. Harrison is straight utility, which is fine, Holt is a true infielder with way more experience at short. Plus, let’s see how he does there so we have a barometer on him when Walker gets back……,,,??????!!!!

  10. Thundercrack says:

    HA! For the past week+ people have been complaining about Barmes.
    He’s not in the lineup tonight and people are complaining about his replacement.

    This place cracks me up.


    ps; Before someone says that they think Josh should be at 2nd and Brock at SS, stop for a second. Maybe that says what they think about Brock at SS….no matter how many games he’s played the position in the minors.

  11. buggee says:

    Short is a tougher position to play than second, so I’d want someone with more seasoning there. All things equal (defensively at the position), no prob with JHEY at 2nd and Brock @ SS.

    My problem iwth Barajas. Auto-out. CH HAS to pull his head out of his nether-regions about this Barajas dude. Enough already!

    Raist the jolly shuttlecock! (Just for you Jandylicious)

  12. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Patton said it best, if CB is a .083 career hitter against Wood, why not bench him.

    That’s what utility and backup players are for.

    Not a fan of JHay at SS, said that in the last thread but, if Holt is comfortable at 2B right now, leave him there. This level probably has not slowed down for him.

    I have seen most of the games and I don’t recall JHay actually hurting the team at SS. I haven’t looked at the stats but, he gets the job done. Is not fancy and makes routine plays look difficult.

  13. Dr. Buster says:

    I like what Ryan says: Holt is comfortable at 2B, so leave him there. I’m nervous about Harrison at SS: all his fielding statistics at the position are well below league averages.

    By the way, it is worth looking him up at:

    You see a medium-sized matrix and think, “I must have typed in the wrong Harrison.” But then you look closely and see it just JayH for 2011 and 2012. If he keeps up this super-utility role and stays in the majors until he’s 30, his page will be enormous.

  14. JHadar says:

    Groat —

    I’m curious, what are Harrison’s numbers as popcorn vendor? Is he under .035 spilled kernels per bag. What’s his correct change average? How does that compare to the league average adjusted for park steepness and crowd density?

  15. Thundercrack says:

    I believe Barmes is the popcorn vendor tonight.

  16. Bizrow says:

    Barmes will be an albatross around our necks for the next 5.5 million reasons or so ;-)

    Just sayin

  17. Bizrow says:

    I did work as a vendorat TRS in 71, nice money

    Sold beer though, not popcorn ;-)

  18. Naje says:

    Groat…all due respect to your enthusiasm and hopeful wishes, but I’ll trust the manager on these lineup decisions, especially seeing Holt playing everyday. Have you seen those throws from up the middle by Holt? Have you seen anything approaching a rifle, major league (not minor league) SS arm?

    By the way, Harrison hits Wood well, Barmes hits him barely at all. And I’ll take the guy who has major league experience starting games at SS over the minor league guy with the average range and barely average arm.

  19. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Comparing someone’s arm from 2nd base to the range of the SS is misleading. I have no idea what Holt’s arm is from SS. Never seen him play there, but using his experience (what there is of it) from 2nd base doesn’t compare.

    I would assume that the arm is there if needed.

  20. RobertoForever says:

    Are we still arguing about Barmes? The #8 hitter? The guy who Dejan says has outstanding defense (Has anyone here seen Barmes in person more than Dejan?). Clint Hurdle continues to vote for Barmes with the majority of his lineups. Money talks because at least one other NL club tried to sign Barmes to a multi-year deal, but the Pirates outbid for his services. And the defensive stats, for whatever they are worth, indicate he is a top 3 NL SS for the last 3 seasons.

    I am not sure that Barmes has even lost us a single game.

    But its funny stuff. Free comedy. Or is it #FreeComedy

    Hope McCutchen tonight goes back to mashing LHP. We need him to be at least very good to compete against any major league team.

  21. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    If Holt’s arm wasn’t up to snuff he would never have played as much shortstop in the minors as he did. Holt’s arm will be fine.

  22. RobertoForever says:

    Speaking of Holt’s arm, here is a link to an article from the Altoona paper from July 11th, barely 60 days ago. (I am sure JAL had this linked at the time).

    To quote it “First, he doesn’t excel defensively at shortstop or second base. He’s got 18 errors in 79 games at short, and he lacks the range and arm strength to play there every day in the majors.”–but-faces-tough-road-with-Pirates.html?nav=751

  23. JRay3 says:

    Actually Barmes is #18 in MLB SS fielding percentage with a .970 and is tied for #13 in errors with 14 at the position.

    Need a solid series from the rotation really need some bounce back performances from AJ, JMac and Locke this is a three game series that sets up for us to make some ground up on the other playoff contenders.

  24. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    I just read the article on Holt…….If he can hit near .300 put him at short….No one thought our number one pick catcher could ever have become an “all star to be” 2nd baseman…….

  25. Bizrow says:


    Like cubed or more

    The BMTIB needs to get out of their box

    I was at the vets the other day, there was a cat mewing in a Staples paper box

    The cats name was Neal

  26. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    DK has mentioned errors at the minor league level, which I agree with, are not something to worry about. Field conditions are far worse there than they are at MLB.

    That said, the report on his arm is pretty good indications.

  27. Arriba Wilver says:

    JRay–don’t bring facts into this discussion. It’s not appreciated. Let’s stick with he was the #1shortstop the last three years based on UZR and RngR, despite the fact he played the position in 120 games last year and 46 the year before. We know UZR and RngR don’t lie, no matter how many games we’re talking about.

    BTW, joking aside, I’m cool with letting Hurdle decide the lineup.

  28. RobertoForever says:

    Jack Wilson has a betting fielding percentage (.986) than every other starting SS in MLB. Maybe we should DFA Barmes and resign Jack.

  29. JRay3 says:

    Actually in qualified SS fielding % it is JJ Hardy #1 at .991, #2 is Jhonny Peralta at .990.

    Can we DFA Barmes and pickup either one of those guys?

  30. Bizrow says:

    Barmes is going to get paid 5.5 million next season

    End of my anger/story

  31. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jack Wilson started 14 games this year and only played SS in 23 games total.

  32. albatross says:


    Remember, Barajas *always* catches when AJ pitches.

  33. RobertoForever says:

    We wouldn’t want Hardy. His Batting Average is .231. Clearly a DFA candidate here. How does Baltimore put up with him starting most days?

    But I hear Brian Bixler can be had for cheap. He has a 1.000 fielding percentage and no errors. Problem solved. Send Holt back to Triple-A for the playoff experience.

  34. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hardy’s OPS+ is 79, Barmes is 56. 100, I believe, is league average.

  35. RobertoForever says:

    Earlier this year in the offseason, Baltimore signed JJ Hardy to a 3 year deal for $7.5 million per year or $22.5 million total, with a no-trade clause.

    JJ Hardy has started 133 games out of 137 for Baltimore this year.

    He is batting .231 on the season, including 3 separate months of batting under .200

    And the Orioles still owe him $14 million over the next two years.

    Oh the horror.

  36. JRay3 says:

    JJ Hardy also has 18 HR’s 57 RBI’s and 35 BB’s, nice power from the SS position. Only Hanley Ramirez and Ian Desmond have hit for more power at that position. Hardy is also 10th in doubles at the SS position with 26.

    I think the First Place Orioles in the toughest division in baseball are quite happy with that power production from the SS hole to go with # 1 fielding percentage in the league.

  37. Arriba Wilver says:

    Seriously, is that the goal? To compare ourselves to the franchise with the second most consecutive loss seasons? And people poo-poo .500 as a goal.

  38. Chuck H says:

    Will the Bucs have their hitting clothes on tonight or will we be scratching for runs?
    Don’t take the Cubbies lightly because they have a bunch of good hitters (better than
    we have), but if A.J. is careful, especially with Soriano and Castro, we should be alright.
    Take one game at a time and don’t be thinking about your next one. GO, BUCS!!

  39. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hardy’s contract was signed before the trade deadline in 2011, and includes a limited no-trade clause that includes 8 teams. He still thinks he might be gone because of Machado.

  40. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Didn’t A.J. toss his 1-hitter against the Cubs, albeit before the purging? I’m sure he did, since we saw it here on WGN. A nice duplicate of that feat would do for the evening.

    Ditto JRay #36.

  41. pattonbb says:

    Nothing is certain except death, taxes, and Clint Barmes will be the 2013 starting shortstop.

  42. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m going with 100 on the OVER.

  43. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Playoffs?! Playoffs???

    Where are you Playoffs??

    must’ve gotten out of his straight jacket.

  44. pattonbb says:

    Play Ball!!

    Lets Go Bucs!

  45. Kevin says:

    I just have to say one last time that I TRULY miss playoffs and the window…

  46. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


  47. pattonbb says:

    uh oh, send him back to Indy.

  48. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Error by Holt?? What??

    Send that bum down

  49. JMB says:

    bumblin’ booters

  50. Eric Bowser says:

    that was one ugly half inning of baseball, lucky it is only 1-0 Cubs.

  51. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Need Mets, Brewers, and Giants to win tonight…..ugh, I hate saying the Brewers to win.

  52. JohninOshkosh says:

    I have done a lot of fishing in my life and I have never come close to catching something the size of that Salmon Dan Bylsma caught. What a great guy.

  53. Eric Bowser says:

    @JohninOshkosh – Hopefully he caught a “how to coach a PP” guide.

  54. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m not saying there was a problem before, but I think
    Gaby solidified his standing with his teammates with that barehanded stop. Unusual play.

  55. JohninOshkosh says:

    @Eric Bowser

    Ha! Agreed. I do have issues with him as a coach but certainly not as a person. Gawd I hope they resolve this labor thing.

  56. Reading says:

    Cue V. Lombardi: “What the Hell is going on out there???????????”

  57. Eric Bowser says:

    4-0 Cubs, 3 errors, this isn’t acceptable.

  58. pattonbb says:

    uh oh….this place might get ugly.
    Marte follows up his incredibly stupid throw with another error. Nerves? Rust?

    AJ looking pretty regular tonight.

  59. Eric Bowser says:

    There is good news about this pathetic 4-0 start to tonight’s game……………

    …………I’m going to the game on Sunday, maybe they will get this crap out of their system.

  60. Thundercrack says:

    Young, inexperienced players making mistakes in the playoff drive.

    Let’s hope they make it up with the bat.

  61. radio wave says:

    Cubs says AJ is pitching more toward the firsg side of the mound.

  62. JRay3 says:

    No defense, no offense, no life…recipe for disaster

    For pete’s sake this is a team that has LOST 6 STRAIGHT….with Travis Wood pitching. Just a mess.

  63. JohninOshkosh says:

    Travis Wood is not good. They need to get to him. Playoff teams need to beat pitchers like Wood down the stretch. Especially since they will be seeing a legitimate top of the order pitcher tomorrow night.

  64. pattonbb says:

    Just our luck…Cubs finally get fired up the game before they come to PNC. Damn you Nationals….

  65. JRay3 says:

    Travis Wood 4-11 4.52 ERA

    First three innings tonight – 9 up / 9 down, you can not make this stuff up.

  66. JohninOshkosh says:

    I was listening to Chicago sports talk while driving around today and, although they won’t say it publicly, the Cubs have a desperate goal to avoid 100 losses. They have not had 100 losses in a season since 1966. A consecutive streak they are quietly happy with. Some speculated that the emotions that erupted yesterday were frustrations about losing 100. I don’t know if this desire to avoid 100 losses can translate into wins for them, but they are not playing for nothing.

  67. JRay3 says:

    Maybe the team should have went clay pigeon shooting yesterday.

  68. Eric Bowser says:

    Soriano had no reason to jump but Jim Edmonds approves.

  69. JRay3 says:

    Make that 12 up, 12 down.

    @JohninOshKosh – I will be out at Wrigley this Friday and Saturday for the first two games of the series, was hoping to see a non-motivated Cubs team and to not have to listen to the fans sing the Go Cubs Go song and waive the W flag. Appears they will make us earn it.

  70. JRay3 says:

    Well I see our .199 hitting catcher has not improved in his throw down to second. Turning singles into doubles every day.

  71. Eric Bowser says:

    Travis Wood…. a junk baller is no-hitting the Pirates through 4 innings

  72. JohninOshkosh says:


    I remember you saying you going to be there a few months ago. I go to Chicago all the time on business and my family goes there a lot for pleasure. I go to Wrigley a lot. You will have a blast. It is always about the ballpark with Cubs games. Fun to see who is going to sing in the 7th inning, etc. Lately, I’ve been sneaking in White Sox games. Easier to get good tickets on a walk up. But it is two different worlds.

    Have a great time!

  73. Eric Bowser says:

    Pedro launches one to centerfield wall for a double, no hitter over, jinx works again.

  74. pattonbb says:

    Way to break up the no no Pedro.
    Now if Hot Rod could….oops, nevermind.

  75. JRay3 says:

    And Barajas with his robust .167 AVG versus lefties promptly flies out to strand Alvarez. Down four through five innings of play as Travis Wood continues his dominance and mastery of the Pirates lineup, unreal.

  76. JRay3 says:

    Memo to NH: In the future please do not make any future off season player signings ie Barmes, Barajas, Diaz, Hinske, Aoki, Snyder, LaRoche etc.

    You have zero track record in this department from now on please fill our needs from our system that you supposedly have stocked up.

    Thank you.

  77. JRay3 says:

    Does anybody wearing a black uniform want to be out there tonight? This is becoming laughable and a total shame for a team fighting for its playoff life.

  78. JRay3 says:

    Clint wanted to get tossed, he is tired of watching tonight’s performance and wanted to get to the showers early. Can’t say I blame him.

  79. JohninOshkosh says:

    This is a train wreck.

  80. Eric Bowser says:

    Seriously, someone tell me what redeeming value our starting catcher has, I’m all ears.

  81. JMB says:


  82. Eric Bowser says:

    Train wreck of a defense.

    What the……………….

  83. All of yunz guys who think it is OK to play Harrison at shortstop need to tape this game when it is replayed at midnight and keep playing it over and over and over and over and over and over and over

    especially this top of 6th

  84. Pathetic. The Cubs, who were just swept by the team whose fans were once jokingly called Natsochists, open a series with Pittsburgh with a massacre. It is entirely possible that this Pirates team will not make .500. What you are watching is the second consecutive collapse of a team that put up a promising first half.

    Why? The only explanation I can come up with off the cuff is that te players give up when the non-waiver deadline passes and the organization’s “profitability on a small budget” philosophy – which does not commit it to serious competition.

    I’m open to other explanations of 2011 and 2012, but am unable to manufacture any.

  85. JRay3 says:

    COMEDY OF ERRORS, your Pittsburgh Pirates, embarrassing.

  86. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not sure what’s worse. The ” pathetic” effort in the first game against the Astros, or the Keystone Cops performance tonight. Was Banny taking AJ out a mercy hook?

  87. radio wave says:

    Is this the little league ws?

  88. pattonbb says:

    Clint finally gets tossed so he won’t have to watch the rest of this one. Lucky guy…

    This is embarrassing. One good thing though, if someone publicly calls their effort “pathetic” they tend to rebound well.

    Barajas is such a good……what was it again? What’s he good at?

  89. Eric Bowser says:

    Barajas yanked from the game along with Burnett…. what a terrible performance.

  90. JohninOshkosh says:


    I think this “unprotected sex” got the Pirates a STD!

  91. Arriba Wilver says:

    Pulling Rod was a bold, but good, move.

  92. Eric Bowser says:

    Barajas can’t hit, can’t throw, can’t catch… worst catcher in baseball.

    I miss Joe Oliver, Larry Parrish, Mark Parent, ….

  93. twentytwo22 says:

    Attention Pirates, you are playing for the playoffs. The Cubs are almost as bad as the Astros and were just outscored 31-9 in a 4 game series. I don’t understand why we’re playing like a little league team. It has happened with regularity for a month but I still don’t understand it.

  94. Permission to revise and extend my remarks? Thank you Mr. Speaker.
    The only explanation I can come up with off the cuff is that the players give up when the non-waiver deadline passes and the organization’s “profitability on a small budget” philosophy – which does not commit it to serious competition – is manifested again.

    I’m open to other explanations of 2011 and 2012, but am unable to manufacture any.

  95. Eric Bowser says:

    9 hits, 7 runs, ….for Cubs….

    0 runs, 1 hit and 5 errors for the Pirates….

  96. Bill Born says:

    Yankees- Baltimore in a fight for 1st place.

    Baltimore has a guy named McLouth batting 3rd and he is 3for 3 with 2 doubles-

    Yanks have:

    Steve Pearce stated at 1st and Homered.
    Casey McGeHee starting at 3rd.

  97. twentytwo22 says:

    Earlier in the year, the Cubs came to town with a 9 game losing streak and left with a 12 game losing streak. This is all about the Pirates not showing up.

  98. JRay3 says:

    @ OM – Well look at your lineup on the field

    1B – AAA player from Marlins organization
    2B- AA/AAA player all season
    SS- Utility player because our .221 hitting starting SS is 0 for his career against Travis Wood
    3B- Alvarez
    RF – Jones
    CF – Cutch
    LF – Marte or Presley or Snider or Tabata or Sutton or I forget
    C – DEPLORABLE no upgrade

    Your point is well taken the organization makes no commitment to a team that was fighting in the first half and fails to address any area that needed major help minus adding Wandy to the rotation which was imperative given how many implosions we have seen in the staff second part of year.

  99. Oshkosh b’gosh,

    It may good and feel good at the time but too many things can come back and bite you . . . . . and it even infects the rest of the team.

  100. Reading says:

    Give us a reason to watch, actual patrons a reason to show up. Whoooooooooooooooooooloooooooo!

  101. Born to be Wild,

    Hey, we have Gaby “Matt Diaz” Sanchez——he has 6 RBIs in 6 weeks with the Pirates.

    But he IS the best in the league at barehanding bad hops!

  102. Reading says:

    Still no outs. No problem.

  103. Reading says:

    Wait. I nodded off and missed our hit. Come on Man!!!

  104. Eric Bowser says:

    Barajas is so bad, I miss Ryan Doumit.

  105. Cmat0829 says:

    Um overstating the obvious but Barmes needs to be out at SS for the rest of the season. Thank you.

    Exhibits 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 tonight of what effect subpar defense has on a game.

  106. 5 errors on the board and 5 more that could be errors——at least plays that could have been made

  107. Reading says:

    Nice job by Leroux. Need a touchdown. Everybody hits. Give it a ride. Cubs need a pitchet, not a belly itcher!

  108. JRay3 says:

    How bad is it listening to our announcers have to discuss when does a team that is 51-86, losers of six consecutive, call off the dogs on the road against a team fighting for a playoff spot.

    How about our team focus on fielding the ball, making basic throws, hitting against weak pitching etc.

  109. Arriba Wilver says:

    Super Troopers is on Spike TV.

  110. Cmat0829 says:

    Jay hey has been atrocious tonight at SS. Should have at least 3 errors.

  111. At least Josh Harrison has been a big addition on offense . . . .

    And he’s been a real “spark” for the team——his spark actually started a forest fire on defense.

  112. Eric Bowser says:

    OMG, Brett Jackson colliding with wall/fence in CF.


  113. Nancy52 says:

    I think I’ll go back to my book. Thank heavens the vacation cottage has little cell
    service and the cable is only basic. I won’t miss anything. A little too much
    taking teams lightly lately.

  114. Arriba Wilver says:

    Looked like he went face first into the fence.

  115. Eric Bowser says:

    6th error………………………. Harrison sucks.

  116. Sometimes the wisest thing to say is nothing!

  117. Eric Bowser says:

    now a wild pitch….

    This is brutal…

  118. Here is what causes the Pirates to fail, omho. In MLB’s system, Mr. Nutting can profit from his team, no matter how badly it performs. Mr. Nutting, I’m guessing, doesn’t eant to risk his profits by paying for players who could actually win. *The players know*

  119. Lord have mercy how my touch screen Android renders me.

  120. Chuck H says:

    What the H— is going on? We are not playing the Brewers, Cardinals, Nationals, etc.
    We are playing the Cubbies-well, almost playing them. Do the Pirate batters take a vacation every week or so? Is this the way we treat our ace pitcher?-5 errors, and the game’s only half over. Wouldn’t surprise me if Burnette asks to be traded before next season starts. Come on, you bunch of losers. WAKE UP

  121. Reading says:

    I’m thinking some Cubs fan brought a goat to the game and was denied entry.

  122. Eric Bowser says:

    this is horrible

    Holt with 2nd error, team’s 7th of night.

  123. JRay3 says:

    Well tonight we have witnessed something not accomplished since that great team of 1985 that went 57-104 and dealt with the coke scandal….SEVEN ERRORS!

    And to think if I turned the channel I would have missed it.

  124. pattonbb says:

    Kudos to Banister for pulling Rod. That doesn’t happen if Clint is still there (I don’t think).

    Seriously, not trying to pile on Barajas, but there’s really no reason to play him again. He brings nothing to the party. I could put up with it when AJ was winning. Put Fryer in there as Fort’s backup now.

    I love how people say Sanchez has to hit before he sees the big leagues, but running Barajas and his anemic offense out there is Ok because of his “leadership”, or whatever.

    Guess I did pile on Barajas.

  125. Thundercrack says:

    Maybe they should have went pigeon shooting yesterday.

  126. Reading says:

    Teams have overcome 7 errors to win. I think. Maybe, once since 1839. Maybe.

  127. Thundercrack says:

    When they signed Barajas didn’t they say that they thought he could catch something like 60-80 games? Something very low.

    Well he is at 90 games. And clearly has run out of gas.

  128. Eric Bowser says:

    now a bases loaded walk to bring in a run….

  129. JRay3 says:

    Back to back walks by another NH pickup special plates the Cubs 8th run of the night.

  130. Reading says:

    This Takashagomanaki pickup was key.

  131. Eric Bowser says:

    10-0 Cubs in 7th inning


  132. JRay3 says:

    Takahashi 0 IP, 2 BB, 1 H and still going.

    10-0 Cubs…I wish this was the little league WS so they would just call the game.

  133. Eric Bowser says:

    that has to be another error, Jones stumbling around…..

  134. Thundercrack says:

    Hurry up and wash this one off, boys

  135. Chuck H says:

    SEVEN, 7, SEVEN ERRORS??? Even if Neil Walker is on crutches, he is better than
    Holt at second base. Holt belongs back in the minors. Pirates definitely not a playoff team.

  136. JRay3 says:

    Update: Takahashi 0 IP, 2 BB, 2 H 3 ER and still going

    12-0 Cubs

  137. Reading says:

    Got to get back up on the horse. Same lineup tomorrow.

  138. JRay3 says:

    @ Chuck H – whatever convinced you the Pirates were not a playoff team?

    11-17 August? 2-4 September? Being swept by the Padres and Brewers in last five series. Losing games to the Astros and Cubs the two worst teams in NL in two of last four games?

  139. Reading says:

    Here we go, I’m calling it right here: a 12-0 loss.

  140. JRay3 says:

    Pirates could not take advantage of Padres, Brewers, Astros, Cubs stretch.

    Can’t wait to see Reds, Brewers, Mets, Braves stretch.

  141. Drew71 says:

    Just arrived from across the state.

    So. What’s up?

    And what’s that smell?

  142. Reading says:

    Now would be a good time to retaliate for Chapman drilling Cutch.

  143. Thundercrack says:

    That would be your dog, Drew. And the Pirates

  144. Reading says:

    Can somebody have a black cat stroll past the Cubs on-deck circle tomorrow night?

  145. pattonbb says:

    Have the Pirates ever forfeited a game?

    DK: Yes, clearly.

  146. Thundercrack says:

    Changing the channel to Bill Maher

  147. pattonbb says:

    Bryce Harper just made one of the stronger throws I’ve seen to nail Dobbs trying to tag.

    Are the Pirates still playing? If you can call it that.

  148. Arriba Wilver says:

    Super Troopers is better, and much funnier.

  149. pattonbb says:

    Good call on Super Troopers, Arriba.

  150. Reading says:

    You hit, you play. A couple times a week.

  151. Eric Bowser says:

    Michael McKenry, RBI double… shutout over, can Barajas’ days as a starting catcher follow suit?

  152. 2012 is over for the Bucs unless you can prove otherwise.

  153. Arriba Wilver says:

    Actually, I’m going to start watching Grimm. Even it’s funnier.

  154. pattonbb says:

    the glass is half full…the glass is half full…the glass is half full…the glass is half full…the glass is half full…the glass is half full…the glass is half full…the glass is half full…

    *sigh*…not working

    DK: Try this: It was one game.

  155. pattonbb says:

    Chapman blew a save tonight

  156. Jones says:


    The problem is that we’re saying “It was just one game” 7 outta 10 times.

    DK: Well put. You got me there.

  157. pattonbb says:

    It was one game….it was one game….it was one game….it was one game….it was one game….

    I’m trying DK. The only thing that might remove this foul taste will be 2 wins.

  158. pattonbb says:

    I’m listening to post game radio show. A kid called in saying he always wanted to learn how to keep score. Said he read up about it and decided to give tonight’s game a try. Poor kid.

    Best part of his story; After the game, he said his scorecard was pretty ugly, but the Pirates still made more errors than he did.

  159. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ve never felt so lucky to have watched every play of a 35-7 high school football game. Truly blessed.

  160. Dave G says:

    The Pirates were 11-3 vrs the Astros, baseball’s doormats.

    The Pirates were 12-10 in interleague play this year.

    Therefore, the Pirates are currently 51-54 vrs National League teams not from Houston.

    Ah, what the heck. Enjoy the pennant race.

  161. Reading says:

    Well, what do you know? A free loss as Cards and Dodgers lose.

  162. Boise Bucco says:

    I worked a 15 hour shift but at least I didn’t have to watch that crapshow. I don’t even have to look at the boxscore–I have the Asylum!


    “Travis Wood…. a junk baller is no-hitting the Pirates through 4 innings”
    “COMEDY OF ERRORS, your Pittsburgh Pirates, embarrassing.”
    “Super Troopers is better, and much funnier.”
    “Have the Pirates ever forfeited a game?”
    “6th error………………………. Harrison sucks.”
    “Even if Neil Walker is on crutches, he is better than Holt at second base.” (wow, this kid found the gutter real quick apparently…)
    “now a bases loaded walk to bring in a run….”

    Nail in the heart, courtesy of JRay3: “12-0 Cubs.”


    Haha, what’s funny is, twentytwo22 was on to it waaaaaaay before we were. Now we all sound just like him! (Or her, it is the internet after all) No disrespect 22, you were right, at least 7 out of 10 times.

    I’m going to bed, good night all.

  163. Drew71 says:

    You guys are missing it.

    Let me make it clear.

    “Somebody” calls the Pirates Pathetic.
    – Bucs snap off two very crisp wins.

    “Somebody” then thoughtfully posts a link with playoff standings.
    – Last night happens.


    And while we’re at it, “Somebody” needs to man up, admit it’s them, and begin to use these powers for Good.

  164. Thundercrack says:

    “Barajas is so bad, I miss Ryan Doumit.” That may be my favorite post of the night.

    And for a second it made me forget the Jack Wilson debate from earlier that day.

  165. Drew71 says:

    I missed the Jack Wilson Debate.

    Please tell me EVERYthing.

  166. Drew71 says:

    i hate to admit it (because his head will swell so much he’ll never comb his hair again) but the line that made me “lol” (you know, the good way, not the RF way) was:

    Yes, clearly.

  167. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Cardinals & Dodgers both lost. Whay doesn’t that make me feel better anymore ?

    While everyone continues to play like crap, somebody is going to come out of nowhere & take this thing. I got Milwaukee.

  168. Thundercrack says:

    If the Brewers get one of the Wild Card spots, that would be WAY worse than the Pirates not getting one.

  169. RobertoForever says:

    After a loss, it may seem like losing 7 out of every ten, but the Bucs are playing at a .400 pace. 4-6 in the last 10 games, 8-12 in the last 20 games.

    And with 26 games remaining, what does a .400 pace get you? 10 wins. 82-80

    In the last 10 – St Louis is 3-7, Dodgers are 4-6


    You’re welcome

  170. Milo Hamilton says:

    They’ve lost 23 of their last 37. That’s .378. There’s no way to sugar coat that.

  171. RobertoForever says:

    Uh-oh, Lisa called out the doomsdayers here on twitter/sulia

    “Anyone taking it too seriously or a sign of the apocalypse hasn’t watched a lot of this team.”

  172. RobertoForever says:

    .378 pace = 82-80

    .378 > .300

  173. Milo Hamilton says:


    So that makes them better than the worst team ever, what’s your point ?

  174. JMB says:

    I believe that there are 25 games left.


    If they finish at the .378 pace, they will be around 9.5 wins.

    Looking at the schedule, I have to believe that they will get the 10 wins.

  175. JMB says:

    August 11 17 121 135 .393
    Sept 2 4 25 37 .333

    13-21 since the deadline.

    DK posted on sulia the other day that the easiness of the schedule means the Pirates have to do better: “[the soft sked] ABSOLUTELY should factor into fair expectations for this team. Crazy to say but the default position is that they SHOULD make the playoffs. Nuts?”

  176. Thundercrack says:

    Who’s Lisa? And can she play shortstop or catcher?

  177. RobertoForever says:


    Point? We have to have points here. I thought the +/- was eliminated.

  178. Milo Hamilton says:



  179. LuckyNKentucky says:


    And the horse Drew rode in on.

  180. Drew71 says:

    So .378 is the new good.

  181. Thundercrack says:

    Drew got a horse?

    I thought he had poodles.

  182. Drew71 says:

    Heigh Ho, Thunder, Away!

  183. Drew71 says:

    I had NO idea that Roberto was famous.

  184. RobertoForever says:

    I am famous, but like this

  185. RobertoForever says:

    The Bucs went 2-11 vs San Diego and LAD this year.

    So the Pirates went 70-54 against non-SoCal teams.

    Is it wrong if i pray for the big one along the San Andreas fault this offseason? (As long as Ryan is safe)

  186. LuckyNKentucky says:

    So it’s Frank Forever?

  187. LuckyNKentucky says:


    It’s wrong. Better to pray for some ballplayers in the ‘Burgh. :)

  188. Drew71 says:

    Your boss would be proud.

    (RF’s link didn’t work in this format because the H at the beginning of the link is upper case; but if anyone wants to see it, simply cut n paste his link to your internet explorer and it will work)

  189. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – Just the thought of Milwaukee winning the last WC would be saddest conclusion to this season.

    The Pirates are just 4 games ahead of the Brewers and we still have to play them three times upcoming and may get swept again.

    If we go from first place at the all-star break to fourth place in our division, wow.

    Last night was not just one game, it was one game where we could have moved to within a half game of the Cardinals, it was one game we got embarrassed to a much inferior opponent at PNC and it also knocked one game off the schedule.

    The Cardinals do play the Astros 6 times coming up, does anybody feel we will have a chance to make up ground than?

    Wasted opportunity after wasted opportunity, in a playoff chase you have to be able to play better than .378 no matter what the standings say.

  190. JRay3 says:

    I said a few days ago the only difference between last year’s collapse and this year’s is at least last year was an immediate free fall, this has just become a torturous slow painful bleed out.

  191. Karen22 says:

    I’m so depressed, and it’s not the rain…

  192. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Very right, JRay #193. Like, which one is more deflating, losing on a walk-off or getting ripped 12-2. One is over early and the other is Chinese water torture.

  193. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’s only one game. It’s 2 pathetic performances out of the last 4 games, and they were against the worst 2 teams in the league, and it was our Ace, but it’s only one game.

    Super Troopers is still good.

  194. LuckyNKentucky says:

    The last time the Cubs tore us apart, we won the next 2 at Wrigley. Keep the faith, however waining.

  195. Milo Hamilton says:

    I almost feel ashamed that I didn’t have to endure the torture like the rest of you.

  196. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo Hamilton – I am just wondering if you need a color analyst next Friday night?

  197. Drew71 says:

    Don’t be depressed, Karen. .378 is the new good.

  198. Milo Hamilton says:


    I can make room for a three man booth.

  199. Milo Hamilton says:

    Remember, they just need to win 2 games each series the rest of the way out to get to 88 wins. Do I think they will ? Absolutely not. But it’s completely up to them. That’s as optimistic as I can get.

  200. RobertoForever says:

    I saw two extra-inning home playoff loses the last two nights. Tough loses for those young ballplayers.

    Especially the 22 yo pitcher who gave up his first HR as a professional in a 1-1 game to lead off the 10th inning, then fell apart to allow 2 more runs. After dominating 2 levels after being drafted about 90 days ago. Hope he can focus on something else in the offseason.

  201. Drew71 says:

    And “just” 2 wins each series is “just” .667. (Assuming 2-game series offset 4-game series, and most are 3 games)

    That is “just” 109 wins over the course of a season.

    109 would place a team as “just” tied for 7th all time.

    LOTS of teams this season are at .667.
    Wait. I’m searching… I’m searching… I’m searching…

    (Not arguing with you, Milo…”just” taking the point out a bit further.)

  202. Milo Hamilton says:


    Yea, I also used the same formula last year trying to get to .500. You see how well it worked then.

  203. Karen22 says:


    .378 is the new “good” if it’s a batting average. :>(

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