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Final: Reds 4, Pirates 3, 14 innings

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (72-67) vs. Cincinnati Reds (84-57)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Cincinnati RHP Mat Latos

  1. Brock Holt, 2B
  2. Alex Presley, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Jose Tabata, RF
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Rod Barajas, C
  9. Wandy Rodriguez, LHP


  1. Let’s shell this clown! New day, new week! Remove the fork!

  2. This lineup will make the blog explode!

    Clint Hurdle says, Fork this!

  3. Doesn’t matter what the lineup is.

    Latos will shut them out regardless of whether or not the Fort is there.

  4. Interesting lineup!

    —I like Presley back in there. When he scores, Bucs tend to win
    —I like Pedro batting #5. Forget setting up a lineup so-called tougher for relievers. Start out with the best chance to win right from the get-go.
    —Tabata back in there . . . I guess Snider must have really pinched that hammy this time.
    —Barajas back in there. He can’t hit, he can’t throw, he can’t run, and the Fort caught Wandy’s last gem. Makes sense to me! “There’s no reason to go through life fat AND stupid, Son.” Obviously, Dean Wormer never met Rod Barajas.

  5. I’m wondering more and more what the heck is up with Walker.

  6. Glad to see another great lineup from Hurdle. DK, do you sense he is in any trouble if the team tanks for the second year in a row and finishes below .500?

  7. Shish Kibab,

    I think this IS a great lineup! Other than the universal call for the Fort to start, what is wrong with it? What could Hurdle do differently or better? He can only play the players he is given!

    Now if Huntington had sprung the cash to get JJ Hardy when he was available two years ago . . . . . . that ship sailed 2 years ago!

  8. Great quote from NH on callups from Indy – “We want to give Clint every opportunity in the world to win games” – REALLY? No I mean REALLY?

    We have Huey, Duey and Louie playing C, SS, and LF, yeah NH and this FO sure gave Clint every opportunity to win.

    @ Ryan – # 3 sad, but you are probably right.

  9. It was a bad weekend (sportswise — everything else was ok) out on the prairie, too … but not quite as bad.

    At least you folks in Pittsburgh don’t have to live with Cub fans.

    Also we didn’t have quite the college football meltdown. Iowa lost to Iowa State; they couldn’t both lose, but they sure tried. Northern Iowa had a 59-0 blowout over Central State. They play Iowa next week. Looks like a long season ahead for the Hawks.

    No pro football teams in Iowa. If Iowa got one, Minnesota would want one.

    I can’t explain why Clint keeps going with Barmes and Barajas.

    What’s really aggravating, next to getting behind in the early going, is catching up and the very next inning giving up what we just gained. I can’t explain how we’ve managed to do that so often. Maybe it only seems that way.

    It’s got to be mental at this point.

    I’m torn between this is a bunch of kids playing way over their head and reality catching up with them or this team is really only half built and wait ’til next year. Maybe it’s both. Maybe they’ll learn from experience.

    Who knows, maybe they’ll salvage it — but my sanity requires me to pull back my hopes for a while. Won’t stop rooting for ‘em though.


    If you can call fielding a team missing a leadoff hitter, a shortstop, and a catcher with a worn out bullpen and a rotation hitting on three cylinder snakebit.

    Sorry for the downer, had to get it out my system.


  10. @groat

    The data and visual proof clearly support your assessment of RB’s current baseball skills, but where is the proof for his stupidity? As a fan of the late Smokey Brugess, I am not even willing to concede he is fat.

    On the other hand, perhaps your reference was to CH, in which case I defer rebuttal.

  11. @ JH. No apolgies needed. we are all feeling a little bummed today.

  12. What an absolutely gorgeous day. The best weather we get all year. (This is what I’ve been reduced to.)

  13. Iowa Hadar,

    “No pro football teams in Iowa. If Iowa got one, Minnesota would want one.”

    Made me laugh!

    Huntington said last week (go back and look in blog comments) that his metrics show that Barmes is the best fielding shortstop in all of baseball not only for 2012 but also 2011. And Barmes has a higher batting average since August 1 than McCutch.

    Pirates, at least their front office, believe they have their shortstop. Hurdle can only play what he is given.

  14. Excellent, #9, JRay.

  15. It’s always somebody elses fault.

    Blame the players for underperforming? Nah, blame Huntington for not getting them better players to “take the pressure off”.

    Blame Hurdle for making boneheaded moves and losing his players? Nah, blame Huntington for not getting him even better players to make up for his mistakes.

    It’s always somebody elses fault.

  16. It’s MY fault the Pirates lost.

    I saw 4 of the last 7 at PNC in person——all losses——and I should have cheered louder, concentrated more, prayed harder, punched a Cub fan.

    I apologize. It’s nobody else’s fault but mine. I did not responsibly perform my job as a fan.

  17. @ Groat – too funny, and on that note I will accept blame right now for Friday and Saturday’s games in Wrigley that I will be in attendance at for the Bucs failures because I will not be able to motivate the team enough with my screams of encouragement from above the Bucs dugout.

    Thank heavens I am seeing Wrigley Field for the first time in my life on this trip .

  18. Humbly disagree about it being someone elses fault.

    Its the BMTIB’s fault, ultimately, they are responsible for the product on the field.

    And IMHO, to say something different, is to well, blame others

    Maybe its time they quit talking about accountability, and look the word up in the dictionary?

    Just sayin

  19. Milo

    Sunny and windy on the prairie. 81 degrees, 15 mph gusting to 25, a few wispy cirrus clouds, corn harvest just beginning.

  20. Biz,
    Why can’t the players be held accountable for their recent play?

  21. “Hurdle can only play what he is given.”

    Well Clint has had Josh Harrison and Jordy Mercer here almost all year. He could have played them at shortstop.

  22. on the plus side – it feels so wonderfully different to be disappointed by the Pirates this late in the season. Thank goodness it has made it that much harder to focus on football…cause we got even bigger problems there so far this season PS 0-2, Pitt 0-2, Stillers 0-1. And the Pirates still have a winning record!

    Let’s go Bucs!

  23. Cracker,

    Obviously you did not see Josh Harrison’s play at shortstop in the 12-0 game (I know it ended 12-2) on Friday night, or you would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER say anything about playing JHay at short.

    That idea is dead and buried and cement hardened over the coffin.

    Forever and ever and ever, Amen!

  24. @Biz

    If this were a video game, you would be correct.

  25. @Ryan from previous thread- I don’t have a specific answer for one player to come in and save the team as obviously this whole situation has gone well beyond that, and I don’t mean necessarily one specific instance of cheapskatery is to blame. But I’m willing to bet Nutting has a little more cash to spend than the 5 mil you mentioned. If he really wanted to invest in a consistent winner, he could find a way to do so. I’m sure they could find an investor if that’s what’s needed. I know that’s not what he wants, but it could be done. Mario doesn’t seem to have major problems with Burkle. The Rooney’s seem to do ok. The other two ownership groups here focus on winning and letting that sustain their profit, not increasing profit while maintaining a low budget. I know BMTIB has increased spending recently, but if baseball had a salary cap they wouldn’t be anywhere near it. I’m not even saying they should be. Spending doesn’t always equal winning and I know that’s not the only answer. But NH’s comments about giving CH every chance to win because of AAA additions and Barmes being the greatest thing since sliced bread tell me winning isn’t really their priority. Maybe I’m 100% wrong and all they want to do is win a championship, but they sure haven’t been doing a very good job if that’s the case.

  26. I’m not big on scapegoats.

    There’s plenty of blame to go around.

    Hurdle’s lineups and staying with pitcher’s too long.
    Only five of the nine starters have a bat. The other four are streaky.
    Starting rotation falling apart.
    Bullpen implosions.
    Mental errors.
    That “here we ago again” mentality.
    Front office decisions.
    Lack of financial resources/support
    Financial imbalance in MLB
    No bench

    Just to name the obvious.

  27. At this time of year when NH says that he is giving Clint Hurdle every chance to win, that is regards to September call ups.

    Yesterday he was facing a team that had 12 or 13 pitchers in the bullpen. He wants to give CH the same option of mixing & matching / depth for an extra inning game.

    He is also giving him enough position players that so Clint can pinch hit or pinch run as much as he wants/need to.

    When he says he is giving Clint every chance to win, it doesn’t mean he is trying to do a waiver wire deal for Albert Pujols.

  28. How good of players does Clint Hurdle need to win one game against a team who hasn’t swept a series on the road in two years?

  29. @ Brad – 26
    @ Bizrow – 19
    @ JRay3 – 9

    Maybe everyone doesn’t want to hear this but, Bob Nutsack is the problem child in the Pirate scenario. I am not a big fan of NH, but Nutsack has the handcuffs on him so he can’t go out and get the type of players we need. Yes, Clint Hurdle makes some bad moves for sure, but overall, he is a good baseball man; he is handcuffed because NH is handcuffed. And it goes on and on and on. The players aren’t dummies and they see what goes on, so they basically quit after the trade deadline. I am glad I didn’t spend one penny to go to a game this year, Nutsack will not get any of the money I bust my tail to earn.

    On another subject, what on earth is wrong with Neil Walker’s back? This guy has really matured into a really good player and the Bucs need him desperately.

  30. Although, Broncos fans totally deserve every beer they’ve ever got dumped on them. I think she’s about 80% justified.

  31. Does anyone remember how that quote goes about how people that don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it?


  32. The Pittsburgh Pirates players – professional athletes – quit after the trade deadline because they didn’t like what they saw going on, as close to a playoff spot as they are. Then they would be worse than dummies.

    And if I believed that I would be delusional.

  33. And I’ve seen FO financial investment in this team firsthand at PNC. Paid almost 200 bucks to take family of four to game on July 4th in all you can eat section. Gorgeous park, big crowd, nothing wrong there. Go to get hot dogs, drinks and such for 4 of us, stand in line for 37 minutes (yes I timed it because it was insanely hot). Could only find one AYCE food stand (don’t know if there are others- don’t get to go to many games). Tried to take 4 hot dogs and was literally yelled at by concession worker because apparently there was a 3 item per person limit even though the sign said “No more than three of EACH item per person”. Gave wife and kids hot dogs and went to different stand to pay for food and drinks because I wasn’t missing another 2.5 innings because of ridiculous line. So after I missed nearly half of my daughter’s first Bucco game because of what I see as a ripoff by FO and then I see them manage personnel as they do and defend signing Clint Barmes like fans and media are jerks who don’t know what they are talking about, I guess I take it a little personal. Not trying to be facetious or draw out the “Then don’t go” comments. Just think FO could do a little better trying to make PBC better for everyone.

  34. Paragraph breaks.

    They are your friend.

    Well. Ours at least.

  35. So are emoticons.

    Well. At least for some of us.

  36. Groat:

    That Dean Wormer line you referenced is one of the all time greats in American film.

    So does anyone think Dejan’s big announcement is about upgrading the blog for poor Foo?

  37. @ Brad – 35

    Your story about the all you can eat seats makes me feel good that I did not give Nutsack one red cent in 2012. You definitely have their number.

    Let’s see how much effort the players put out against Stinkcinnati tonight – I predict it will be more of the same.

  38. This may have been mentioned already over the few days I couldn’t read every post, but I wonder (20/20 hindsight) if the prospect we didn’t give up to get Headley will make as big a difference down the road as Headley might have this season. Just lamenting out loud.

  39. @NMR

    If it was a video game, one would think that one time in what 19 years, you might win by blind stupidity

    So, its not a video game

    Buck stops at the top

  40. @ Lucky – 40

    Good point, Lucky. It is pretty obvious the BMTIB/BMTIS wasn;t “all in”. The same thing keeps repeating itself over and over again – the Nutsack ownership is the problem.

    Wait’ll the off season when they sign more broken down FAs. Can’t wait to hear the line of BS they have for the fans.

  41. Well, if they’re not going to try to resemble a Major League team against the Reds tonight, I’d like Wandy to hit every single batter starting with numero uno until he gets thrown out of the game…that goes for the next pitcher, and the pitcher after that…until we run out of pitchers…and then stick all those Indy call-ups and bench players on the mound one after another to keep on nailing them until we have no more players (pitchers or otherwise) to run out there.

    THAT would make me smile for a day in September…finally. Never too late to take a stand.

  42. I know DK reported what the Padres asked for from the Pirates for Headley.

    But why didn’t the Padres trade him to another team? Was there no better offer than that from the Pirates?

  43. Votto better catch one in the ribs this series. Surprised Dusty “the coward” Baker is even playing him. We owe them. Wonder if Clint remembers his “We know what needs to be done next time we see that team” quote.

    Maybe the ump will warn both benches after the first guy gets hit. Of course, Dusty might beat us to the punch. He knows Clint doesn’t believe in retaliation.

  44. TC — They probably just had him out there to see what the market would bear.

  45. Joel Hanrahan just mentioned he’s keeping his beard in shape for the “Sons of Anarchy” debut tomorrow. I knew I liked that guy.

  46. If the Bucs play their cards right they could be under .500 by the end of this road trip.

    Wait, that’s not how it works…

  47. It’s dog night at the ballpark.

  48. @JMB

    Choking dog night ?

  49. JH,
    Well his value certainly has risen!

  50. God, I hope Wandy plunks Votto.

  51. Well we have just 23 games remaining, and the obvious ineptitude of Barmes and Barajas hasn’t gotten us into the playoffs, so why are we still trying them?

    CH is fixated on mediocrity and failure – otherwise Jhay (who should be a little angry with the Reds) would be in there and d’Arnaud tomorrow, and Eric Fryer at C.

    I think CH is doing a Fuzzy Zoeller.

    There’s one sparkplug on base – AP

  52. Maybe if we lower our expectations they’ll actually do something…….that’s the route I’m taking with the rest of the season.


  53. JHay?? That’s your solution for winning this series?

    Wow. He can get angry all he wants on the bench. He DOES NOT give this team a chance to win…….anything

  54. Ugh. No hustle at all on that k by Pedro.

  55. PA had a .204 avg, 4hr, 22 rbis, and 23k’s in 2 out RISP sitches this season, per Reds’ broadcast.

    And he has one more K now.

  56. @JMB

    That’s what I was just able to dig up also…

    If only he can bat with the bases loaded all the time.

  57. Fuzzy Zoeller ?

  58. Next years rotation??


    What to do with Charlie Morton?

  59. Milo, yes while standing on the green and Greg Norman hit a shot real close, FZ pulled out his white handerchief and waved it in surrender.

    For the AP dissenters, that was a pretty direct route to that ball I thought, and an easy catch.

    IMO, Marte has a whole lot of proving to do, while eliminating an excess of K’s

  60. RB is more valuable collecting his paycheck at home than he is on the team…send him packing


  61. No Ryan it’s my answer for winning any game in lieu of Barmes

  62. I bet everyone’s glad they stayed home to watch the Bengals.

  63. @bob

    Can’t watch the game right now…….

    Marte is 10x the athlete AP is and is considered the best CF in the Pirates system, including Cutch. So I don’t think he has anything to prove, fielding wise, to anybody.

    AP is a 4th OFer, at best.

  64. Then Bob, you’re losing more than you’re winning……..JHay is not an answer that solves that problem.

  65. Man, that Ryan Ludwick is a terrible acquistion by the Reds, sure glad he’s not a Pirate.

  66. @bob

    Thanks for jogging my memory. US Open at Winged Foot. He did win in a playoff the next day after his surrender. Norman was jinxed.

  67. Ryan do you have any idea how shortstop is supposed to be played? Well I know this – Barmes doesn’t!

  68. I’m not old enough to remember watching FZ play golf….just him complaining about Tiger….

  69. Actually Bob, I do……..and if you think JHay is your answer and Barmes isn’t for the position.

    Then you dont.

    Please, Please, Please tell me again how he needs to “plant and throw” to make plays at SS. Because that’s the important part of that position.

    NO bob, you don’t know how the position is supposed to played if you think JHay is the answer.

    Did I say that enough?

  70. Just flipped over to the Bengals game for a minute, and AJ Green was ruled to have dropped a catch after going to the ground and having the ball hit off his knee just after his other knee was down. Supposedly a new rule emphasis.

    If that is true, why was Tamme’s TD catch allowed to stand yesterday against the Steelers. It was reviewed as a scoring play, I assume. And this is not a statement about the replacement refs. I have seen utter confusion about what is a catch now for 3 straight seasons. The NFL has created a complete mess with that.

  71. Ryan, Marte has more talent than 39 guys on that team; his arm, his speed, his potential, which is the operative word here.

    And as been noted here by others, should be in right field because of his arm, I’ll let AP fight it out with Tabby (if still here) and others for left.

  72. @Ryan,

    The Brewers thought that Barmes played the SS position so poorly that they offered him a 2 year deal around $10 mil as well.

  73. @Roberto

    The rule is different when you’re crossing the goal line while in possession of the ball. He’s treated like a runner & just needs to break the plane. Saying all that, I thought the Tamme play was a little fishy too.

  74. The Reds announcers think that the Pirates are still in the playoff hunt and have a good chance still. Apparently, they don’t follow twitter or this blog.

  75. Ryan JHay is a stopgap to break up the ennui of watching Barmes. I’d say d’Arnaud is the answer

  76. Apparently they don’t have 2 eyes and a brain.

  77. The Reds announcers have also called our players by the wrong names all season and did not thing Chapman meant to hit Cutch and that the ball just happened to slip from his hand on that fateful pitch after showing great control striking out the first two batters.

  78. RF why interject another negative in support of Barmes. Maybe the Brewer FO is less aware of reality and good baseball sense than ours

  79. Boy, I sure wish the FO had gotten a significant acquisition at the trade deadline. You know like a veteran starting pitcher to bolster the rotation. That would have been nice…

  80. I know I have said Wandy was the best deal the team made and one that was much needed, unfortunately they failed to get a major bat, a C, a SS, and a productive corner OF.

  81. @bob

    Me? negative? Never!

    (truthfully, I thought that it was a positive fact in support of Barmes. HE was also highly rated among the B level free agents. Haven’t we covered this?)

  82. I thought Marte was the major bat and productive corner OF that should have been up in July?

  83. Cutch with the laser into the left field seats. 1-0 good guys.

  84. Bob and Ryan,
    There are plenty of guys with athleticism and tools to spare but don’t cut it for many reasons. I hope Marte can secure LF and someone (Presley, Tabby, Snider, whoever) takes RF by storm next spring. We need a stable lineup. T Sanchez needs to earn the other catcher’s spot next year and they need to have one of the youngsters at SS…

  85. If you call a kid that had played just half a season at the AAA level and is just 23 years of age the major bat, having not been tested at the MLB level, than oh my….it is no wonder this team is suffering its second straight collapse and has been one of the worst teams in baseball the second half of the season.

  86. Mr. Do it All Cutch with the blast…we go as he goes.

  87. JRay,

    Oh my is right. But not for me. That was a cast of thousands on this blog though.

  88. Great AB by Tabata. Bad break though bouncing into the CF grass.

  89. It’s always kinda weird watching baseball after a day of football. Such completely different games in terms of pace and activity.

  90. Barajas needs a good at bat.

  91. Bases loaded for Barajas. Alvarez (walked) on third, Tabata (double), Barmes (walk).

    C’mon Hot Rod!

  92. We’ll take it.

  93. Good for Hot Rod. Bloop or not, it counts. Nice AB.

  94. Did Tabata have his head up his ass again????????

  95. YES! A cheapy over the head of Votto and off his glove. Everyone moves up a base. And Pirates get another run in the inning.

    Latos, already frustrated before that at bat, hopefully blows up here. What to do with Wandy here with bases loaded and 1 out.

  96. @Jay


  97. The Reds are clearly bored.

  98. Awesome. Reds 3B Frazier fumbles an easy double play ball and Tabata scores from third. Wandy out at first.

    Pirates up 3-0, 2 outs. Brock Holt up against the righty Latos with guys on 2nd and 3rd.

  99. Frazier was about an inch away from totally whiffing at that ball.

  100. @Milo,

    Hopefully, Reds are bored for another 52 hours. Someone on the blog a few weeks ago said something about the Reds relaxing when Votto comes back. Maybe happening with the Reds losing 2 of 3 at home to the Astros and 3 of 4 already.

    Holt flies out to left, Pirates plate 3 in the inning and are up 3-0 heading to the bottom of the 4th. Wandy has retired 9 straight.

  101. some weird things going on in Cincy tonight.

  102. Oops, I jinxed it, lol.

  103. Roberto
    You don’t think Tabata should’ve been half way to 3rd and then been able to scoot home???????…….I don’t know, was just saying…..there are a whole lot of little things this team hasn’t done well lately……….

  104. No one in sports today makes things harder on himself than Andy Murray.

  105. Wandy has been very good again but the Bucs still need to score some more runs. Reds can hit and they play in a band box field.

  106. Lineup includes 5 hitting less than .240. It’s a wonder they can score any runs.

  107. Wandy Rodriguez is doing his part the last 3 starts for the Pirates.

  108. Jay,

    He should have been halfway. But I would not blame him one bit for cheating back, considering that Votto actually got to the ball and had it deflect off his glove. And Brandon Phillips was to the ball very quickly and thrown home. I don’t think Tabata had even a slim chance of getting home unless he had run like it was two outs.

    Just my opinion from tv

  109. What a great year for Andy Murray. I never thought I’d see the day.

  110. @Eric

    Agreed. And 5 quality starts in his last 7 outings.

  111. The more Holt plays, the more he shows fielding is not his strength.

  112. There is not 1 relief pitcher I have any confidence in right now.

  113. Really excited the Bucs got Wandy. He looks to be good, if not really good, for a long time. Nice under-the-radar deadline pick-up.

  114. The bullpen blows right now.

  115. Great decision Hurdle…. “all in” to “finish” below .500

  116. And Tabata, real smart defense….. not!

  117. …and there’s the reason you don’t take out your starter when he’s rocking.

  118. Darn. Just going to post that Hughes has only allowed 2 of 29 inherited runners to score.

    Then he allows 2 of 2 to score tonight.

  119. Wandy had only thrown 88 pitches. I would have given him a chance to get out of the 7th. He was not getting hit hard.

    Right now, Pirates bullpen vs. Reds bullpen is a mismatch (and not in our favor).

  120. That dribbler to Holt had to be an out. No reason to be shading someone that far up the middle…….,Even still, Holt has to get it…..,,,uggghhhhhh……Let’s get these guys Bucs!!!!!!!

  121. The Cincinnati Bengals – entertaining America since 1968.

  122. Wait, how is that Hurdle’s fault?

    Wandy ahd given up two hits that inning. Who’s to say Wandy doesn’t give up a HR to Navarro.

    You can certainly claim it was bad defense by Tabata. But it is certainly arguable that both runs score, with Frazier with speed on first with 2 outs and a ball that rattles into the corner.

    Hughes has certainly been a great option this year.

  123. And weren’t people arguing a few days ago that Hurdle was waiting too long to hook the starter when they start to fade?

  124. If there’s 1 player on the team that should be swinging 3-0 in a tie game and a chance to possibly walk a runner into scoring position, I’d definitely think Clement and his 1 for the century average.

  125. Baltimore 41
    Cincinnati 13

  126. The Ravens are good. Or the Bengals are really bad.

  127. @Oshkosh

    Maybe both ?

  128. Why are you NOT friggin pinch-hitting for Barajas there?????

  129. 5 teams scored 40+points in week one of NFL. (with one to play later tonight)

  130. Marte with a 1 out double. C’mon boys. Just one more run. Lets shut Brandon Phillips big mouth up.

  131. Phillies win again. Just 1 game under .500 and closing fast.

  132. Think he can make it all the way to 1st base without pulling something ?

  133. Amazing, Snider can hit tonight but not yesterday afternoon in 9th inning with bases loaded….. argh.

  134. I guess we’ll never know.

  135. Snider should have been bunting.

  136. A Travis Snider sighting. I thought he was done for the year.

    I am begining to think Walker is done too.

    At this point in time, it really doesn’t matter anymore.

  137. LH pitcher, you have one major role… get the LH hitter out.

    Tony Watson,fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  138. Normally not a good idea to walk the 1st batter in the bottom of the 9th in a tied game.

  139. Didi Gregorious. Sounds like she should be filling in for Robin Roberts on GMA.

  140. Watson did what he was supposed to do. Shut them down.

  141. Alvarez just looks terrible. Amazing how he can flip from locked in to horrible game to game.

  142. Time for the Fort to shine…….3 walks by Chapman?????…..We have got to make him pay.

  143. Didn’t get to screen in time for this not to be 2nd guessing, but where was Mr Bunt, when it really made sense?

  144. Jerry Lawler collapsed during RAW tonight in Montreal. Apparently it’s not a work. He’s been taken to a hospital.

  145. McKenry last 28 days .167 BA, .521 OPS, 4 BB, 17 K
    Barajas last 28 days .191 BA, .531 OPS, 3 BB, 9 K


  146. Clint bunts too much . . . Except when he doesn’t.

    Clint leaves pitchers in too long . . . Except when he takes them out too soon.

  147. I can play that game too….

    In the last 948 games since Nutting took over as principal owner of Pirates.

    398 wins
    550 losses

  148. In this instance, a successful bunt(huge assumption) = 2 runs if rest of what followed
    (even bigger assumption) occurs.

  149. Wow, DK went “all-in” on Sulia saying that Clint taking out Wandy was the worst decision of his tenure, and worse than John Russell taking out Zach Duke with 2 outs in the 9th inning.

    Really? This is a playoff race. That was a meaningless game in the standings but meant a tremendous amount to Zach. Not in the same ballpark to me.

  150. Ludwick swings at ball 4….

  151. @Eric

    Sure Eric your apples definitely compare to the oranges I posted

    Oh wait, you didn’t post a comparison, just random facts.

  152. Braves losing in Milwaukee 4-1 in the bottom of the 8th inning.

    Brewers started a rookie with a 5.14 ERA and 1 start in the majors under his belt.

    The Brewers have not lost a series since Aug 14th, including winning 2 of 3 in St. Louis this weekend, and splitting in Miami before that.

  153. Well, turned out to be an interesting game…..

    Any wrestling fans? Jerry “the king” Lawler had a heart attack durning a live tapping tonight.

  154. For all that called for Joel earlier……here’s what he does without a lead.

  155. Thank goodness that sparkplug JHay got a PH AB….

    Anybody catch his PH stats……a true sparkplug

  156. OK then, last 14 days:

    McKenry – .261 BA, .824 OPS, 10K, 3BB
    Barajas – .158 BA, .316 OPS, 2K, 0BB

    Or full season:

    McKenry – .255 BA, .830 OPS, 64K, 21 BB
    Barajas – .196 BA, .594 OPS, 61K, 23 BB

    But hey, congratulations on finding a split that made Barajas look better.

  157. HUH? How do those splits make RB look better?

  158. @Ryan -

    Response to #148, typical RF post.

  159. FSNOhio has stopped showing the strikezone replays, but that first pitch to Mesaroco looked like the same strike that was called 5 or 6 times for LeCure of the Reds in the top half of the 11th. I’ll have to check the pitch f/x data after the game.

  160. @Ryan

    Yeah, but his mom looks like Star Jones.

  161. @DD

    Didn’t have to find it. My boss put it out in the memo to Hurdle this morning.

  162. Oh my……….Tabby? That ball took a nose dive.

  163. Hammer escapes it, can ANYBODY step up at the plate tonight? Eight scoreless innings after 3 run fourth.

    Padres up on Cardinals, could be another chance or will it just be yet another wasted opportunity.

  164. DD

    Gotcha…I’m sorry, no freakin way does RB get the call anymore. I’ve stuck behind him, to be honest, but forget it.

  165. DemonDaschund – # 160 those stats say a heck of a lot more.

  166. @Milo

    By that you mean the “old” Star Jones.

  167. @DD

    Here’s another one

    McKenry Career CS 19%
    Barajas Career CS 28%

  168. Man, we better pull this out somehow. If not, this kind of game could leave us emotionally spent. Fans, players… everyone.

    LETS GO BUCS!!!!

  169. Well, at least he went with the pitch……

  170. Pedro! Pedro!

  171. @Ryan

    Yes. Yes I do.

  172. Nice..4 K’s tonight. Excellant AB

  173. not due for that.

  174. Cardinals losing ? Great news for the Phillies & Brewers.

  175. @Milo

    Exactly. Pirates have no chance.


    Seriously, no hope.

  176. Too freakin frustrating!! This is getting too old fast. I know the Reds pen is good, but when you get sorry a– umps giving them calls all night and none to the Bucs, you’re not going to win the games. This offense is horrendous too. I know we have two more hits than the Reds, but not many chances at all. If we lead off this bottom with ANOTHER walk, it will likely score since we keep tempting fate too much. Sorry, but really frustrated on this end. I don’t really know why I am still watching. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

  177. Too freakin frustrating!! This is getting too old fast. I know the Reds pen is good, but when you get sorry umps giving them calls all night and none to the Bucs, you’re not going to win the games. This offense is horrendous too. I know we have two more hits than the Reds, but not many chances at all. If we lead off this bottom with ANOTHER walk, it will likely score since we keep tempting fate too much. Sorry, but really frustrated on this end. I don’t really know why I am still watching. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

  178. @RF -

    Season Stats-
    Barajas 6/80 CS (7.5%) 7 PB 4 E
    McKenry 8/59 CS (13.5%) 2 PB 1 E

    Granted, Barajas has more innings played, not enough to make up the ratios in PB and E.

  179. So frustrating you had to say it twice huh?

  180. Honestly, this is a stupid argument guys……..DD, I’m with ya.

    RF, maybe they should play AP more too because he’s soo good at everything.

  181. @Ryan, yeah, but I click submit once and it told me I already said it. I said – what? Tried posting it again with out a– and both showed up.

  182. Barajas 6’2″ 250 lbs.
    McKenry 5’10″ 215 lbs.

  183. @Ryan,

    Not arguing. Guess I should have been using emoticons ;)

    BTW, the Reds fans left are either drunk or the non-diehards, because they cheer every can of corn as if its a 500-ft HR :D

  184. This game has a sort of Jerry Meals feel to it the way the home plate and first base umps have been calling things.

  185. @Ryan -

    Agreed. Every now and then I allow myself to get sucked into pointing out the skewing that is done to stats by certain people. I always regret it… It accomplishes nothing in the end.

  186. Can we please get to JJ Hoover….tough when first two batters up are .236 and .220 hitters.

  187. @Steve

    Its ok, I feel your pain.

  188. But hey NH is giving Clint as many pieces as he can to win ballgames!

  189. But JRay, they’re sparkplugs..

  190. We better end this thing before the 18th. Games that go that long tend to lead to losing skids, win or lose.

  191. Rf and DD, I understand guys. I know the feeling. See my previous posts from earlier today..

    Sometimes, its just not worth an arguement, but it sure is fun.

  192. @Milo

    Maybe the Steelers can sign him as a back up OL.

  193. Great AB by McKenry. 9 or 10 pitches.

  194. Are those Pirate fans wooing?

  195. Is Gregorious gregarious ?

    DK: I’ll check on the Gregorian calendar.

  196. @chico

    I doubt there are any Pirates fans at the ballpark

  197. DK’s still up and at em

    What do you think of the game so far?

    Exciting isn’t it?

  198. Glad to see there wasn’t a Kirk Gibson moment there with Rolen and his bad back.

  199. OK, these Root Sports HSN commercials are EXTREMLY annoying.

  200. He got the hit, but I think he could have been on third. Either way he is in scoring position with no out. Come on Fryer!

  201. Crash Davis is up.

  202. @Ryan

    Why no pirate fans there? All it takes is one to woo and mate the Reds fans startling if too.

  203. Why is Fryer on the 40 man and Morales and Sanchez are not??

    I know Sanchez doesn’t have to be, but c’mon. The dude hit .204 at AAA and gets the call up because he’s on the 40?

    OH wait, sorry, its the Pirates with their great handling of catchers.

  204. Nice swinging bunt there Cutch!! Come on Chase!!

  205. @Steve. No need to stretch it 3rd.

    Never make 1st or 3rd out at 3rd.

  206. Swings at the first freakin pitch!! Dang it!

  207. Something something… due.

  208. Chase D’Arnaud one of the “weapons” at Clint’s disposal, urgh, come on Pedro!

  209. Agreed John Wehner – “Two very poor executed ABs.! SORRY!

  210. Wehner is annoyed.

  211. you’ve got to be fu… sorry, family site, I know. Arghhhhhh

  212. Just happened to look at the numbers of the batter after Wandy was taken out.

    Navarro, switch hitter, has had some success against Wandy in the 8 AB’s he has faced him, and had tremendous success against lhp this year. 0 for 1 against rhp Hughes, and an OPS of half against righties.

    All of which was in the books in the dugout I assume.

  213. Something tells me this game is over this bottom half……

  214. Bases loaded, no outs….and this….just when I think it is impossible to sink to new lows this team somehow manages to find a way to prove me wrong.

    Just pathetic.

  215. I would say ‘unbelievable’. But really, it was very believable. Expected, almost.

  216. Good gosh this team just does not know how to win, horrible execution, horrible AB’s…somebody has to be able to put an AB together there in that situation.

  217. Been waiting all year for this…

    Henricus Nicolas VandenHurk Time!!!!

  218. would a walk off homer be a “mercy killing?”

  219. The sad thing is this bad offensive team will just as bad next year. There iate no difference makers at triIpke A .

  220. Rick van den Hurk on in relief for his FIRST appearance of the year…this should be interesting.

  221. Loop! Almost.

  222. That’s “oops” on an iPad

  223. That was an out, no?

  224. Too bad we didn’t have Ciriaco right now.

    Oh wait, 6 for his last 47

  225. Bad defensive choice by McKenry.

    Now 2 on no outs.

  226. Too bad we have the worst owner in all of sports, the worst team President in all of sports, the worst GM in all of sports…zero commitment to winning.

  227. Can the players union do anything about all this crowd whooping? It must be like playing in a chimp cage at the zoo. Makes Queen sound like angels

  228. Shame to lose it that way. Heck of an effort by Chase.

    Wild pitch prior to that hurt more.

  229. Epic fail……,,

  230. Seems that one was a bit overmanaged.

    Under no circumstances should Garrett Jones come out of a game right now.

    DK – mind if I borrow your fork?

    DK: I’ll pass it over.

  231. Tired of hearing about Barajas being a horrible option. McKenry is not an everyday player. He has spurts of “ok-ness”, but that’s about it. Not that Rod is great (or good even), but it’s not like he’s blocking a young Buster Posey over there.

  232. Thoughts & prayers with The King.

  233. Ironic– somebody passed the fork to Ludwick and his weak, Pirate-like, grounder . . .

  234. And than the team was just four games above .500 and have now lost four straight….are 2-7 in September .222 after an 11-17 August .392.

  235. Well I want to thank the Pittsburgh Pirates as they have once again played to the point where the losses no longer even bother me in a season. I have become numb to it, go into each day expecting it. Back to just catching the score at nights end or in the morning news.


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