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Final: Reds 4, Pirates 3, 14 innings

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (72-67) vs. Cincinnati Reds (84-57)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Cincinnati RHP Mat Latos

  1. Brock Holt, 2B
  2. Alex Presley, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Jose Tabata, RF
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Rod Barajas, C
  9. Wandy Rodriguez, LHP


  1. Reading says:

    Let’s shell this clown! New day, new week! Remove the fork!

  2. RobertoForever says:

    This lineup will make the blog explode!

    Clint Hurdle says, Fork this!

  3. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Doesn’t matter what the lineup is.

    Latos will shut them out regardless of whether or not the Fort is there.

  4. Interesting lineup!

    —I like Presley back in there. When he scores, Bucs tend to win
    —I like Pedro batting #5. Forget setting up a lineup so-called tougher for relievers. Start out with the best chance to win right from the get-go.
    —Tabata back in there . . . I guess Snider must have really pinched that hammy this time.
    —Barajas back in there. He can’t hit, he can’t throw, he can’t run, and the Fort caught Wandy’s last gem. Makes sense to me! “There’s no reason to go through life fat AND stupid, Son.” Obviously, Dean Wormer never met Rod Barajas.

  5. Jandy says:

    Groat ~ LOL!

  6. Jandy says:

    I’m wondering more and more what the heck is up with Walker.

  7. kibab1979 says:

    Glad to see another great lineup from Hurdle. DK, do you sense he is in any trouble if the team tanks for the second year in a row and finishes below .500?

  8. Shish Kibab,

    I think this IS a great lineup! Other than the universal call for the Fort to start, what is wrong with it? What could Hurdle do differently or better? He can only play the players he is given!

    Now if Huntington had sprung the cash to get JJ Hardy when he was available two years ago . . . . . . that ship sailed 2 years ago!

  9. JRay3 says:

    Great quote from NH on callups from Indy – “We want to give Clint every opportunity in the world to win games” – REALLY? No I mean REALLY?

    We have Huey, Duey and Louie playing C, SS, and LF, yeah NH and this FO sure gave Clint every opportunity to win.

    @ Ryan – # 3 sad, but you are probably right.

  10. JHadar says:

    It was a bad weekend (sportswise — everything else was ok) out on the prairie, too … but not quite as bad.

    At least you folks in Pittsburgh don’t have to live with Cub fans.

    Also we didn’t have quite the college football meltdown. Iowa lost to Iowa State; they couldn’t both lose, but they sure tried. Northern Iowa had a 59-0 blowout over Central State. They play Iowa next week. Looks like a long season ahead for the Hawks.

    No pro football teams in Iowa. If Iowa got one, Minnesota would want one.

    I can’t explain why Clint keeps going with Barmes and Barajas.

    What’s really aggravating, next to getting behind in the early going, is catching up and the very next inning giving up what we just gained. I can’t explain how we’ve managed to do that so often. Maybe it only seems that way.

    It’s got to be mental at this point.

    I’m torn between this is a bunch of kids playing way over their head and reality catching up with them or this team is really only half built and wait ’til next year. Maybe it’s both. Maybe they’ll learn from experience.

    Who knows, maybe they’ll salvage it — but my sanity requires me to pull back my hopes for a while. Won’t stop rooting for ‘em though.


    If you can call fielding a team missing a leadoff hitter, a shortstop, and a catcher with a worn out bullpen and a rotation hitting on three cylinder snakebit.

    Sorry for the downer, had to get it out my system.


  11. Patrick(RI) says:


    The data and visual proof clearly support your assessment of RB’s current baseball skills, but where is the proof for his stupidity? As a fan of the late Smokey Brugess, I am not even willing to concede he is fat.

    On the other hand, perhaps your reference was to CH, in which case I defer rebuttal.

  12. pants-n-at says:

    @ JH. No apolgies needed. we are all feeling a little bummed today.

  13. Milo Hamilton says:

    What an absolutely gorgeous day. The best weather we get all year. (This is what I’ve been reduced to.)

  14. Iowa Hadar,

    “No pro football teams in Iowa. If Iowa got one, Minnesota would want one.”

    Made me laugh!

    Huntington said last week (go back and look in blog comments) that his metrics show that Barmes is the best fielding shortstop in all of baseball not only for 2012 but also 2011. And Barmes has a higher batting average since August 1 than McCutch.

    Pirates, at least their front office, believe they have their shortstop. Hurdle can only play what he is given.

  15. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Excellent, #9, JRay.

  16. NMR says:

    It’s always somebody elses fault.

    Blame the players for underperforming? Nah, blame Huntington for not getting them better players to “take the pressure off”.

    Blame Hurdle for making boneheaded moves and losing his players? Nah, blame Huntington for not getting him even better players to make up for his mistakes.

    It’s always somebody elses fault.

  17. It’s MY fault the Pirates lost.

    I saw 4 of the last 7 at PNC in person——all losses——and I should have cheered louder, concentrated more, prayed harder, punched a Cub fan.

    I apologize. It’s nobody else’s fault but mine. I did not responsibly perform my job as a fan.

  18. JRay3 says:

    @ Groat – too funny, and on that note I will accept blame right now for Friday and Saturday’s games in Wrigley that I will be in attendance at for the Bucs failures because I will not be able to motivate the team enough with my screams of encouragement from above the Bucs dugout.

    Thank heavens I am seeing Wrigley Field for the first time in my life on this trip .

  19. Bizrow says:

    Humbly disagree about it being someone elses fault.

    Its the BMTIB’s fault, ultimately, they are responsible for the product on the field.

    And IMHO, to say something different, is to well, blame others

    Maybe its time they quit talking about accountability, and look the word up in the dictionary?

    Just sayin

  20. JHadar says:


    Sunny and windy on the prairie. 81 degrees, 15 mph gusting to 25, a few wispy cirrus clouds, corn harvest just beginning.

  21. Thundercrack says:

    Why can’t the players be held accountable for their recent play?

  22. Thundercrack says:

    “Hurdle can only play what he is given.”

    Well Clint has had Josh Harrison and Jordy Mercer here almost all year. He could have played them at shortstop.

  23. SlackBoss says:

    on the plus side – it feels so wonderfully different to be disappointed by the Pirates this late in the season. Thank goodness it has made it that much harder to focus on football…cause we got even bigger problems there so far this season PS 0-2, Pitt 0-2, Stillers 0-1. And the Pirates still have a winning record!

    Let’s go Bucs!

  24. Cracker,

    Obviously you did not see Josh Harrison’s play at shortstop in the 12-0 game (I know it ended 12-2) on Friday night, or you would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER say anything about playing JHay at short.

    That idea is dead and buried and cement hardened over the coffin.

    Forever and ever and ever, Amen!

  25. NMR says:


    If this were a video game, you would be correct.

  26. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    @Ryan from previous thread- I don’t have a specific answer for one player to come in and save the team as obviously this whole situation has gone well beyond that, and I don’t mean necessarily one specific instance of cheapskatery is to blame. But I’m willing to bet Nutting has a little more cash to spend than the 5 mil you mentioned. If he really wanted to invest in a consistent winner, he could find a way to do so. I’m sure they could find an investor if that’s what’s needed. I know that’s not what he wants, but it could be done. Mario doesn’t seem to have major problems with Burkle. The Rooney’s seem to do ok. The other two ownership groups here focus on winning and letting that sustain their profit, not increasing profit while maintaining a low budget. I know BMTIB has increased spending recently, but if baseball had a salary cap they wouldn’t be anywhere near it. I’m not even saying they should be. Spending doesn’t always equal winning and I know that’s not the only answer. But NH’s comments about giving CH every chance to win because of AAA additions and Barmes being the greatest thing since sliced bread tell me winning isn’t really their priority. Maybe I’m 100% wrong and all they want to do is win a championship, but they sure haven’t been doing a very good job if that’s the case.

  27. JHadar says:

    I’m not big on scapegoats.

    There’s plenty of blame to go around.

    Hurdle’s lineups and staying with pitcher’s too long.
    Only five of the nine starters have a bat. The other four are streaky.
    Starting rotation falling apart.
    Bullpen implosions.
    Mental errors.
    That “here we ago again” mentality.
    Front office decisions.
    Lack of financial resources/support
    Financial imbalance in MLB
    No bench

    Just to name the obvious.

  28. Thundercrack says:

    At this time of year when NH says that he is giving Clint Hurdle every chance to win, that is regards to September call ups.

    Yesterday he was facing a team that had 12 or 13 pitchers in the bullpen. He wants to give CH the same option of mixing & matching / depth for an extra inning game.

    He is also giving him enough position players that so Clint can pinch hit or pinch run as much as he wants/need to.

    When he says he is giving Clint every chance to win, it doesn’t mean he is trying to do a waiver wire deal for Albert Pujols.

  29. NMR says:

    How good of players does Clint Hurdle need to win one game against a team who hasn’t swept a series on the road in two years?

  30. The Gunner says:

    @ Brad – 26
    @ Bizrow – 19
    @ JRay3 – 9

    Maybe everyone doesn’t want to hear this but, Bob Nutsack is the problem child in the Pirate scenario. I am not a big fan of NH, but Nutsack has the handcuffs on him so he can’t go out and get the type of players we need. Yes, Clint Hurdle makes some bad moves for sure, but overall, he is a good baseball man; he is handcuffed because NH is handcuffed. And it goes on and on and on. The players aren’t dummies and they see what goes on, so they basically quit after the trade deadline. I am glad I didn’t spend one penny to go to a game this year, Nutsack will not get any of the money I bust my tail to earn.

    On another subject, what on earth is wrong with Neil Walker’s back? This guy has really matured into a really good player and the Bucs need him desperately.

  31. Boise Bucco says:

    Although, Broncos fans totally deserve every beer they’ve ever got dumped on them. I think she’s about 80% justified.

  32. stuart66 says:

    Does anyone remember how that quote goes about how people that don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it?


  33. Thundercrack says:

    The Pittsburgh Pirates players – professional athletes – quit after the trade deadline because they didn’t like what they saw going on, as close to a playoff spot as they are. Then they would be worse than dummies.

    And if I believed that I would be delusional.

  34. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    And I’ve seen FO financial investment in this team firsthand at PNC. Paid almost 200 bucks to take family of four to game on July 4th in all you can eat section. Gorgeous park, big crowd, nothing wrong there. Go to get hot dogs, drinks and such for 4 of us, stand in line for 37 minutes (yes I timed it because it was insanely hot). Could only find one AYCE food stand (don’t know if there are others- don’t get to go to many games). Tried to take 4 hot dogs and was literally yelled at by concession worker because apparently there was a 3 item per person limit even though the sign said “No more than three of EACH item per person”. Gave wife and kids hot dogs and went to different stand to pay for food and drinks because I wasn’t missing another 2.5 innings because of ridiculous line. So after I missed nearly half of my daughter’s first Bucco game because of what I see as a ripoff by FO and then I see them manage personnel as they do and defend signing Clint Barmes like fans and media are jerks who don’t know what they are talking about, I guess I take it a little personal. Not trying to be facetious or draw out the “Then don’t go” comments. Just think FO could do a little better trying to make PBC better for everyone.

  35. Drew71 says:

    Paragraph breaks.

    They are your friend.

    Well. Ours at least.

  36. Thundercrack says:

    So are emoticons.

    Well. At least for some of us.

  37. JohninOshkosh says:


    That Dean Wormer line you referenced is one of the all time greats in American film.

    So does anyone think Dejan’s big announcement is about upgrading the blog for poor Foo?

  38. The Gunner says:

    @ Brad – 35

    Your story about the all you can eat seats makes me feel good that I did not give Nutsack one red cent in 2012. You definitely have their number.

    Let’s see how much effort the players put out against Stinkcinnati tonight – I predict it will be more of the same.

  39. LuckyNKentucky says:

    This may have been mentioned already over the few days I couldn’t read every post, but I wonder (20/20 hindsight) if the prospect we didn’t give up to get Headley will make as big a difference down the road as Headley might have this season. Just lamenting out loud.

  40. Bizrow says:


    If it was a video game, one would think that one time in what 19 years, you might win by blind stupidity

    So, its not a video game

    Buck stops at the top

  41. The Gunner says:

    @ Lucky – 40

    Good point, Lucky. It is pretty obvious the BMTIB/BMTIS wasn;t “all in”. The same thing keeps repeating itself over and over again – the Nutsack ownership is the problem.

    Wait’ll the off season when they sign more broken down FAs. Can’t wait to hear the line of BS they have for the fans.

  42. Karen22 says:

    Well, if they’re not going to try to resemble a Major League team against the Reds tonight, I’d like Wandy to hit every single batter starting with numero uno until he gets thrown out of the game…that goes for the next pitcher, and the pitcher after that…until we run out of pitchers…and then stick all those Indy call-ups and bench players on the mound one after another to keep on nailing them until we have no more players (pitchers or otherwise) to run out there.

    THAT would make me smile for a day in September…finally. Never too late to take a stand.

  43. Thundercrack says:

    I know DK reported what the Padres asked for from the Pirates for Headley.

    But why didn’t the Padres trade him to another team? Was there no better offer than that from the Pirates?

  44. pattonbb says:

    Votto better catch one in the ribs this series. Surprised Dusty “the coward” Baker is even playing him. We owe them. Wonder if Clint remembers his “We know what needs to be done next time we see that team” quote.

    Maybe the ump will warn both benches after the first guy gets hit. Of course, Dusty might beat us to the punch. He knows Clint doesn’t believe in retaliation.

  45. JHadar says:

    TC — They probably just had him out there to see what the market would bear.

  46. Milo Hamilton says:

    Joel Hanrahan just mentioned he’s keeping his beard in shape for the “Sons of Anarchy” debut tomorrow. I knew I liked that guy.

  47. Boise Bucco says:

    If the Bucs play their cards right they could be under .500 by the end of this road trip.

    Wait, that’s not how it works…

  48. JMB says:

    It’s dog night at the ballpark.

  49. Milo Hamilton says:


    Choking dog night ?

  50. Thundercrack says:

    Well his value certainly has risen!

  51. Chico says:

    God, I hope Wandy plunks Votto.

  52. bobhasis says:

    Well we have just 23 games remaining, and the obvious ineptitude of Barmes and Barajas hasn’t gotten us into the playoffs, so why are we still trying them?

    CH is fixated on mediocrity and failure – otherwise Jhay (who should be a little angry with the Reds) would be in there and d’Arnaud tomorrow, and Eric Fryer at C.

    I think CH is doing a Fuzzy Zoeller.

    There’s one sparkplug on base – AP

  53. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Maybe if we lower our expectations they’ll actually do something…….that’s the route I’m taking with the rest of the season.


  54. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    JHay?? That’s your solution for winning this series?

    Wow. He can get angry all he wants on the bench. He DOES NOT give this team a chance to win…….anything

  55. Chico says:

    Ugh. No hustle at all on that k by Pedro.

  56. JMB says:

    PA had a .204 avg, 4hr, 22 rbis, and 23k’s in 2 out RISP sitches this season, per Reds’ broadcast.

    And he has one more K now.

  57. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    That’s what I was just able to dig up also…

    If only he can bat with the bases loaded all the time.

  58. Milo Hamilton says:

    Fuzzy Zoeller ?

  59. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Next years rotation??


    What to do with Charlie Morton?

  60. bobhasis says:

    Milo, yes while standing on the green and Greg Norman hit a shot real close, FZ pulled out his white handerchief and waved it in surrender.

    For the AP dissenters, that was a pretty direct route to that ball I thought, and an easy catch.

    IMO, Marte has a whole lot of proving to do, while eliminating an excess of K’s

  61. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    RB is more valuable collecting his paycheck at home than he is on the team…send him packing


  62. bobhasis says:

    No Ryan it’s my answer for winning any game in lieu of Barmes

  63. Milo Hamilton says:

    I bet everyone’s glad they stayed home to watch the Bengals.

  64. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Can’t watch the game right now…….

    Marte is 10x the athlete AP is and is considered the best CF in the Pirates system, including Cutch. So I don’t think he has anything to prove, fielding wise, to anybody.

    AP is a 4th OFer, at best.

  65. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Then Bob, you’re losing more than you’re winning……..JHay is not an answer that solves that problem.

  66. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Man, that Ryan Ludwick is a terrible acquistion by the Reds, sure glad he’s not a Pirate.

  67. Milo Hamilton says:


    Thanks for jogging my memory. US Open at Winged Foot. He did win in a playoff the next day after his surrender. Norman was jinxed.

  68. bobhasis says:

    Ryan do you have any idea how shortstop is supposed to be played? Well I know this – Barmes doesn’t!

  69. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I’m not old enough to remember watching FZ play golf….just him complaining about Tiger….

  70. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Actually Bob, I do……..and if you think JHay is your answer and Barmes isn’t for the position.

    Then you dont.

    Please, Please, Please tell me again how he needs to “plant and throw” to make plays at SS. Because that’s the important part of that position.

    NO bob, you don’t know how the position is supposed to played if you think JHay is the answer.

    Did I say that enough?

  71. RobertoForever says:

    Just flipped over to the Bengals game for a minute, and AJ Green was ruled to have dropped a catch after going to the ground and having the ball hit off his knee just after his other knee was down. Supposedly a new rule emphasis.

    If that is true, why was Tamme’s TD catch allowed to stand yesterday against the Steelers. It was reviewed as a scoring play, I assume. And this is not a statement about the replacement refs. I have seen utter confusion about what is a catch now for 3 straight seasons. The NFL has created a complete mess with that.

  72. bobhasis says:

    Ryan, Marte has more talent than 39 guys on that team; his arm, his speed, his potential, which is the operative word here.

    And as been noted here by others, should be in right field because of his arm, I’ll let AP fight it out with Tabby (if still here) and others for left.

  73. RobertoForever says:


    The Brewers thought that Barmes played the SS position so poorly that they offered him a 2 year deal around $10 mil as well.

  74. Milo Hamilton says:


    The rule is different when you’re crossing the goal line while in possession of the ball. He’s treated like a runner & just needs to break the plane. Saying all that, I thought the Tamme play was a little fishy too.

  75. RobertoForever says:

    The Reds announcers think that the Pirates are still in the playoff hunt and have a good chance still. Apparently, they don’t follow twitter or this blog.

  76. bobhasis says:

    Ryan JHay is a stopgap to break up the ennui of watching Barmes. I’d say d’Arnaud is the answer

  77. Milo Hamilton says:

    Apparently they don’t have 2 eyes and a brain.

  78. JRay3 says:

    The Reds announcers have also called our players by the wrong names all season and did not thing Chapman meant to hit Cutch and that the ball just happened to slip from his hand on that fateful pitch after showing great control striking out the first two batters.

  79. bobhasis says:

    RF why interject another negative in support of Barmes. Maybe the Brewer FO is less aware of reality and good baseball sense than ours

  80. RobertoForever says:

    Boy, I sure wish the FO had gotten a significant acquisition at the trade deadline. You know like a veteran starting pitcher to bolster the rotation. That would have been nice…

  81. JRay3 says:

    I know I have said Wandy was the best deal the team made and one that was much needed, unfortunately they failed to get a major bat, a C, a SS, and a productive corner OF.

  82. RobertoForever says:


    Me? negative? Never!

    (truthfully, I thought that it was a positive fact in support of Barmes. HE was also highly rated among the B level free agents. Haven’t we covered this?)

  83. RobertoForever says:

    I thought Marte was the major bat and productive corner OF that should have been up in July?

  84. pattonbb says:

    Cutch with the laser into the left field seats. 1-0 good guys.

  85. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Bob and Ryan,
    There are plenty of guys with athleticism and tools to spare but don’t cut it for many reasons. I hope Marte can secure LF and someone (Presley, Tabby, Snider, whoever) takes RF by storm next spring. We need a stable lineup. T Sanchez needs to earn the other catcher’s spot next year and they need to have one of the youngsters at SS…

  86. JRay3 says:

    If you call a kid that had played just half a season at the AAA level and is just 23 years of age the major bat, having not been tested at the MLB level, than oh my….it is no wonder this team is suffering its second straight collapse and has been one of the worst teams in baseball the second half of the season.

  87. JRay3 says:

    Mr. Do it All Cutch with the blast…we go as he goes.

  88. RobertoForever says:


    Oh my is right. But not for me. That was a cast of thousands on this blog though.

  89. RobertoForever says:

    Great AB by Tabata. Bad break though bouncing into the CF grass.

  90. JohninOshkosh says:

    It’s always kinda weird watching baseball after a day of football. Such completely different games in terms of pace and activity.

  91. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Barajas needs a good at bat.

  92. RobertoForever says:

    Bases loaded for Barajas. Alvarez (walked) on third, Tabata (double), Barmes (walk).

    C’mon Hot Rod!

  93. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    We’ll take it.

  94. pattonbb says:

    Good for Hot Rod. Bloop or not, it counts. Nice AB.

  95. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Did Tabata have his head up his ass again????????

  96. RobertoForever says:

    YES! A cheapy over the head of Votto and off his glove. Everyone moves up a base. And Pirates get another run in the inning.

    Latos, already frustrated before that at bat, hopefully blows up here. What to do with Wandy here with bases loaded and 1 out.

  97. RobertoForever says:



  98. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Reds are clearly bored.

  99. RobertoForever says:

    Awesome. Reds 3B Frazier fumbles an easy double play ball and Tabata scores from third. Wandy out at first.

    Pirates up 3-0, 2 outs. Brock Holt up against the righty Latos with guys on 2nd and 3rd.

  100. pattonbb says:

    Frazier was about an inch away from totally whiffing at that ball.

  101. RobertoForever says:


    Hopefully, Reds are bored for another 52 hours. Someone on the blog a few weeks ago said something about the Reds relaxing when Votto comes back. Maybe happening with the Reds losing 2 of 3 at home to the Astros and 3 of 4 already.

    Holt flies out to left, Pirates plate 3 in the inning and are up 3-0 heading to the bottom of the 4th. Wandy has retired 9 straight.

  102. Eric Bowser says:

    some weird things going on in Cincy tonight.

  103. RobertoForever says:

    Oops, I jinxed it, lol.

  104. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    You don’t think Tabata should’ve been half way to 3rd and then been able to scoot home???????…….I don’t know, was just saying…..there are a whole lot of little things this team hasn’t done well lately……….

  105. Milo Hamilton says:

    No one in sports today makes things harder on himself than Andy Murray.

  106. TCB says:

    Wandy has been very good again but the Bucs still need to score some more runs. Reds can hit and they play in a band box field.

  107. TCB says:

    Lineup includes 5 hitting less than .240. It’s a wonder they can score any runs.

  108. Eric Bowser says:

    Wandy Rodriguez is doing his part the last 3 starts for the Pirates.

  109. RobertoForever says:


    He should have been halfway. But I would not blame him one bit for cheating back, considering that Votto actually got to the ball and had it deflect off his glove. And Brandon Phillips was to the ball very quickly and thrown home. I don’t think Tabata had even a slim chance of getting home unless he had run like it was two outs.

    Just my opinion from tv

  110. Milo Hamilton says:

    What a great year for Andy Murray. I never thought I’d see the day.

  111. RobertoForever says:


    Agreed. And 5 quality starts in his last 7 outings.

  112. Parrothead01 says:

    The more Holt plays, the more he shows fielding is not his strength.

  113. TCB says:

    There is not 1 relief pitcher I have any confidence in right now.

  114. Keith says:

    Really excited the Bucs got Wandy. He looks to be good, if not really good, for a long time. Nice under-the-radar deadline pick-up.

  115. Eric Bowser says:

    The bullpen blows right now.

  116. Eric Bowser says:

    Great decision Hurdle…. “all in” to “finish” below .500

  117. Eric Bowser says:

    And Tabata, real smart defense….. not!

  118. Keith says:

    …and there’s the reason you don’t take out your starter when he’s rocking.

  119. RobertoForever says:

    Darn. Just going to post that Hughes has only allowed 2 of 29 inherited runners to score.

    Then he allows 2 of 2 to score tonight.

  120. TCB says:

    Wandy had only thrown 88 pitches. I would have given him a chance to get out of the 7th. He was not getting hit hard.

    Right now, Pirates bullpen vs. Reds bullpen is a mismatch (and not in our favor).

  121. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    That dribbler to Holt had to be an out. No reason to be shading someone that far up the middle…….,Even still, Holt has to get it…..,,,uggghhhhhh……Let’s get these guys Bucs!!!!!!!

  122. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Cincinnati Bengals – entertaining America since 1968.

  123. RobertoForever says:

    Wait, how is that Hurdle’s fault?

    Wandy ahd given up two hits that inning. Who’s to say Wandy doesn’t give up a HR to Navarro.

    You can certainly claim it was bad defense by Tabata. But it is certainly arguable that both runs score, with Frazier with speed on first with 2 outs and a ball that rattles into the corner.

    Hughes has certainly been a great option this year.

  124. RobertoForever says:

    And weren’t people arguing a few days ago that Hurdle was waiting too long to hook the starter when they start to fade?

  125. Jones says:

    If there’s 1 player on the team that should be swinging 3-0 in a tie game and a chance to possibly walk a runner into scoring position, I’d definitely think Clement and his 1 for the century average.

  126. Milo Hamilton says:

    Baltimore 41
    Cincinnati 13

  127. JohninOshkosh says:

    The Ravens are good. Or the Bengals are really bad.

  128. Milo Hamilton says:


    Maybe both ?

  129. Eric Bowser says:

    Why are you NOT friggin pinch-hitting for Barajas there?????

  130. JohninOshkosh says:

    5 teams scored 40+points in week one of NFL. (with one to play later tonight)

  131. pattonbb says:

    Marte with a 1 out double. C’mon boys. Just one more run. Lets shut Brandon Phillips big mouth up.

  132. Milo Hamilton says:

    Phillies win again. Just 1 game under .500 and closing fast.

  133. Milo Hamilton says:

    Think he can make it all the way to 1st base without pulling something ?

  134. Eric Bowser says:

    Amazing, Snider can hit tonight but not yesterday afternoon in 9th inning with bases loaded….. argh.

  135. Milo Hamilton says:

    I guess we’ll never know.

  136. Arriba Wilver says:

    Snider should have been bunting.

  137. TCB says:

    A Travis Snider sighting. I thought he was done for the year.

    I am begining to think Walker is done too.

    At this point in time, it really doesn’t matter anymore.

  138. Eric Bowser says:

    LH pitcher, you have one major role… get the LH hitter out.

    Tony Watson,fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  139. TCB says:

    Normally not a good idea to walk the 1st batter in the bottom of the 9th in a tied game.

  140. Milo Hamilton says:

    Didi Gregorious. Sounds like she should be filling in for Robin Roberts on GMA.

  141. pattonbb says:

    Watson did what he was supposed to do. Shut them down.

  142. pattonbb says:

    Alvarez just looks terrible. Amazing how he can flip from locked in to horrible game to game.

  143. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Time for the Fort to shine…….3 walks by Chapman?????…..We have got to make him pay.

  144. Patrick(RI) says:

    Didn’t get to screen in time for this not to be 2nd guessing, but where was Mr Bunt, when it really made sense?

  145. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jerry Lawler collapsed during RAW tonight in Montreal. Apparently it’s not a work. He’s been taken to a hospital.

  146. RobertoForever says:

    McKenry last 28 days .167 BA, .521 OPS, 4 BB, 17 K
    Barajas last 28 days .191 BA, .531 OPS, 3 BB, 9 K


  147. Arriba Wilver says:

    Clint bunts too much . . . Except when he doesn’t.

    Clint leaves pitchers in too long . . . Except when he takes them out too soon.

  148. Eric Bowser says:

    I can play that game too….

    In the last 948 games since Nutting took over as principal owner of Pirates.

    398 wins
    550 losses

  149. Eric Bowser says:

    Pirates bullpen is a mess.

  150. Patrick(RI) says:

    In this instance, a successful bunt(huge assumption) = 2 runs if rest of what followed
    (even bigger assumption) occurs.

  151. RobertoForever says:

    Wow, DK went “all-in” on Sulia saying that Clint taking out Wandy was the worst decision of his tenure, and worse than John Russell taking out Zach Duke with 2 outs in the 9th inning.

    Really? This is a playoff race. That was a meaningless game in the standings but meant a tremendous amount to Zach. Not in the same ballpark to me.

  152. Eric Bowser says:

    Ludwick swings at ball 4….

  153. RobertoForever says:


    Sure Eric your apples definitely compare to the oranges I posted

    Oh wait, you didn’t post a comparison, just random facts.

  154. RobertoForever says:

    Braves losing in Milwaukee 4-1 in the bottom of the 8th inning.

    Brewers started a rookie with a 5.14 ERA and 1 start in the majors under his belt.

    The Brewers have not lost a series since Aug 14th, including winning 2 of 3 in St. Louis this weekend, and splitting in Miami before that.

  155. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Well, turned out to be an interesting game…..

    Any wrestling fans? Jerry “the king” Lawler had a heart attack durning a live tapping tonight.

  156. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    For all that called for Joel earlier……here’s what he does without a lead.

  157. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Thank goodness that sparkplug JHay got a PH AB….

    Anybody catch his PH stats……a true sparkplug

  158. DemonDachshund says:

    OK then, last 14 days:

    McKenry – .261 BA, .824 OPS, 10K, 3BB
    Barajas – .158 BA, .316 OPS, 2K, 0BB

    Or full season:

    McKenry – .255 BA, .830 OPS, 64K, 21 BB
    Barajas – .196 BA, .594 OPS, 61K, 23 BB

    But hey, congratulations on finding a split that made Barajas look better.

  159. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    HUH? How do those splits make RB look better?

  160. DemonDachshund says:

    @Ryan –

    Response to #148, typical RF post.

  161. RobertoForever says:

    FSNOhio has stopped showing the strikezone replays, but that first pitch to Mesaroco looked like the same strike that was called 5 or 6 times for LeCure of the Reds in the top half of the 11th. I’ll have to check the pitch f/x data after the game.

  162. Milo Hamilton says:


    Yeah, but his mom looks like Star Jones.

  163. RobertoForever says:


    Didn’t have to find it. My boss put it out in the memo to Hurdle this morning.

  164. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Oh my……….Tabby? That ball took a nose dive.

  165. JRay3 says:

    Hammer escapes it, can ANYBODY step up at the plate tonight? Eight scoreless innings after 3 run fourth.

    Padres up on Cardinals, could be another chance or will it just be yet another wasted opportunity.

  166. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Gotcha…I’m sorry, no freakin way does RB get the call anymore. I’ve stuck behind him, to be honest, but forget it.

  167. JRay3 says:

    DemonDaschund – # 160 those stats say a heck of a lot more.

  168. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    By that you mean the “old” Star Jones.

  169. RobertoForever says:


    Here’s another one

    McKenry Career CS 19%
    Barajas Career CS 28%

  170. JoeBucco says:

    Man, we better pull this out somehow. If not, this kind of game could leave us emotionally spent. Fans, players… everyone.

    LETS GO BUCS!!!!

  171. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Well, at least he went with the pitch……

  172. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Pedro! Pedro!

  173. Milo Hamilton says:


    Yes. Yes I do.

  174. JoeBucco says:

    Pete is due

  175. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Nice..4 K’s tonight. Excellant AB

  176. JoeBucco says:

    not due for that.

  177. Milo Hamilton says:

    Cardinals losing ? Great news for the Phillies & Brewers.

  178. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Exactly. Pirates have no chance.


    Seriously, no hope.

  179. Too freakin frustrating!! This is getting too old fast. I know the Reds pen is good, but when you get sorry a– umps giving them calls all night and none to the Bucs, you’re not going to win the games. This offense is horrendous too. I know we have two more hits than the Reds, but not many chances at all. If we lead off this bottom with ANOTHER walk, it will likely score since we keep tempting fate too much. Sorry, but really frustrated on this end. I don’t really know why I am still watching. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

  180. Too freakin frustrating!! This is getting too old fast. I know the Reds pen is good, but when you get sorry umps giving them calls all night and none to the Bucs, you’re not going to win the games. This offense is horrendous too. I know we have two more hits than the Reds, but not many chances at all. If we lead off this bottom with ANOTHER walk, it will likely score since we keep tempting fate too much. Sorry, but really frustrated on this end. I don’t really know why I am still watching. Glutton for punishment, I guess.

  181. DemonDachshund says:

    @RF –

    Season Stats-
    Barajas 6/80 CS (7.5%) 7 PB 4 E
    McKenry 8/59 CS (13.5%) 2 PB 1 E

    Granted, Barajas has more innings played, not enough to make up the ratios in PB and E.

  182. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    So frustrating you had to say it twice huh?

  183. Sorry for the double post.

  184. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Honestly, this is a stupid argument guys……..DD, I’m with ya.

    RF, maybe they should play AP more too because he’s soo good at everything.

  185. @Ryan, yeah, but I click submit once and it told me I already said it. I said – what? Tried posting it again with out a– and both showed up.

  186. Milo Hamilton says:

    Barajas 6’2″ 250 lbs.
    McKenry 5’10” 215 lbs.

  187. RobertoForever says:


    Not arguing. Guess I should have been using emoticons ;)

    BTW, the Reds fans left are either drunk or the non-diehards, because they cheer every can of corn as if its a 500-ft HR :D

  188. This game has a sort of Jerry Meals feel to it the way the home plate and first base umps have been calling things.

  189. DemonDachshund says:

    @Ryan –

    Agreed. Every now and then I allow myself to get sucked into pointing out the skewing that is done to stats by certain people. I always regret it… It accomplishes nothing in the end.

  190. JRay3 says:

    Can we please get to JJ Hoover….tough when first two batters up are .236 and .220 hitters.

  191. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Its ok, I feel your pain.

  192. JRay3 says:

    But hey NH is giving Clint as many pieces as he can to win ballgames!

  193. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    But JRay, they’re sparkplugs..

  194. JoeBucco says:

    We better end this thing before the 18th. Games that go that long tend to lead to losing skids, win or lose.

  195. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Rf and DD, I understand guys. I know the feeling. See my previous posts from earlier today..

    Sometimes, its just not worth an arguement, but it sure is fun.

  196. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Maybe the Steelers can sign him as a back up OL.

  197. RobertoForever says:

    Great AB by McKenry. 9 or 10 pitches.

  198. Chico says:

    Are those Pirate fans wooing?

  199. Milo Hamilton says:

    Is Gregorious gregarious ?

    DK: I’ll check on the Gregorian calendar.

  200. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I doubt there are any Pirates fans at the ballpark

  201. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    DK’s still up and at em

    What do you think of the game so far?

    Exciting isn’t it?

  202. Glad to see there wasn’t a Kirk Gibson moment there with Rolen and his bad back.

  203. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    OK, these Root Sports HSN commercials are EXTREMLY annoying.

  204. He got the hit, but I think he could have been on third. Either way he is in scoring position with no out. Come on Fryer!

  205. Milo Hamilton says:

    Crash Davis is up.

  206. Chico says:


    Why no pirate fans there? All it takes is one to woo and mate the Reds fans startling if too.

  207. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Why is Fryer on the 40 man and Morales and Sanchez are not??

    I know Sanchez doesn’t have to be, but c’mon. The dude hit .204 at AAA and gets the call up because he’s on the 40?

    OH wait, sorry, its the Pirates with their great handling of catchers.

  208. Nice swinging bunt there Cutch!! Come on Chase!!

  209. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Steve. No need to stretch it 3rd.

    Never make 1st or 3rd out at 3rd.

  210. Swings at the first freakin pitch!! Dang it!

  211. JoeBucco says:

    Something something… due.

  212. JRay3 says:

    Chase D’Arnaud one of the “weapons” at Clint’s disposal, urgh, come on Pedro!

  213. Agreed John Wehner – “Two very poor executed ABs.! SORRY!

  214. Chico says:

    Wehner is annoyed.

  215. JoeBucco says:

    you’ve got to be fu… sorry, family site, I know. Arghhhhhh

  216. Good night! @$@##^&@&

  217. RobertoForever says:

    Just happened to look at the numbers of the batter after Wandy was taken out.

    Navarro, switch hitter, has had some success against Wandy in the 8 AB’s he has faced him, and had tremendous success against lhp this year. 0 for 1 against rhp Hughes, and an OPS of half against righties.

    All of which was in the books in the dugout I assume.

  218. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Something tells me this game is over this bottom half……

  219. JRay3 says:

    Bases loaded, no outs….and this….just when I think it is impossible to sink to new lows this team somehow manages to find a way to prove me wrong.

    Just pathetic.

  220. JoeBucco says:

    I would say ‘unbelievable’. But really, it was very believable. Expected, almost.

  221. JRay3 says:

    Good gosh this team just does not know how to win, horrible execution, horrible AB’s…somebody has to be able to put an AB together there in that situation.

  222. JoeBucco says:

    Been waiting all year for this…

    Henricus Nicolas VandenHurk Time!!!!

  223. Patrick(RI) says:

    would a walk off homer be a “mercy killing?”

  224. Parrothead01 says:

    The sad thing is this bad offensive team will just as bad next year. There iate no difference makers at triIpke A .

  225. JRay3 says:

    Rick van den Hurk on in relief for his FIRST appearance of the year…this should be interesting.

  226. Patrick(RI) says:

    Loop! Almost.

  227. Patrick(RI) says:

    That’s “oops” on an iPad

  228. JRay3 says:


  229. JoeBucco says:

    That was an out, no?

  230. RobertoForever says:

    Too bad we didn’t have Ciriaco right now.

    Oh wait, 6 for his last 47

  231. RobertoForever says:

    Bad defensive choice by McKenry.

    Now 2 on no outs.

  232. JRay3 says:

    Too bad we have the worst owner in all of sports, the worst team President in all of sports, the worst GM in all of sports…zero commitment to winning.

  233. Patrick(RI) says:

    Can the players union do anything about all this crowd whooping? It must be like playing in a chimp cage at the zoo. Makes Queen sound like angels

  234. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Shame to lose it that way. Heck of an effort by Chase.

    Wild pitch prior to that hurt more.

  235. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Epic fail……,,

  236. JoeBucco says:

    Seems that one was a bit overmanaged.

    Under no circumstances should Garrett Jones come out of a game right now.

    DK – mind if I borrow your fork?

    DK: I’ll pass it over.

  237. JoeBucco says:

    Tired of hearing about Barajas being a horrible option. McKenry is not an everyday player. He has spurts of “ok-ness”, but that’s about it. Not that Rod is great (or good even), but it’s not like he’s blocking a young Buster Posey over there.

  238. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thoughts & prayers with The King.

  239. Patrick(RI) says:

    Ironic– somebody passed the fork to Ludwick and his weak, Pirate-like, grounder . . .

  240. JRay3 says:

    And than the team was just four games above .500 and have now lost four straight….are 2-7 in September .222 after an 11-17 August .392.

  241. JRay3 says:

    Well I want to thank the Pittsburgh Pirates as they have once again played to the point where the losses no longer even bother me in a season. I have become numb to it, go into each day expecting it. Back to just catching the score at nights end or in the morning news.


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