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Final: Reds 5, Pirates 3

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (72-68) vs. Cincinnati Reds (85-57)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Cincinnati RHP Mike Leake

  1. Brock Holt, 2B
  2. Alex Presley, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Jose Tabata, RF
  7. Michael McKenry, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Kevin Correia, RHP


  1. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Harrison at SS and The Fort catching…..I like one of these moves.

  2. Jandy says:

    Ryan, I’m with you!

  3. Boise Bucco says:


  4. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Groat will love this lineup.

  5. Jandy says:

    Where is he??? lol

  6. JAL says:

    More adventures at SS

  7. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    J Steigerwald for Pirates interim-GM. Now!

  8. cmat0829 says:

    I’m assuming Snider isn’t fully recovered..and I guess hoping for “lightning in a bottle with Cincy kid JayHey”…. if I were manager for a day…here is the batting order I’d prefer for those starting today:

    1. Holt 2B
    2. Tabata RF (his approach has been better and hits the other way)
    3. Alvarez (need to get him some pitches to hit in front of Cutch)
    4. Cutch (breaks up the lefties and he can pick up if Pedro is Kdro)
    5. Jones (provides best protection for Cutch)
    6. McKenry (got to have your best RBI hope of the rest of the lineup here)
    7. Harrison
    8. Correia (nod to Tony LaRussa, but with so many singles hitters, better off breaking them up with a pitcher)
    9. Presley

  9. cmat0829 says:

    More on Pedro: I feel like where he has been hitting with the Pirates anemic lineup he almost feels like an 8 hitter…. pitchers walk him if they need to or pitch him only carefully placed “pitchers pitches” and take their chances…. (not every at bat and Pedro has certainly swung through some very hittable pitches, but go with me here)….. and Pedro when pressing certainly goes “outside the zone”.

    Let’s put him in front of Cutch and that should cut down on the pitcharounds….

  10. pattonbb says:

    So Brandon Phillips says he had a phone call with Hughes today, and now everything is all good. Who knew racism was so easy to overcome?

  11. Milo Hamilton says:

    Brandon Phillips said today that he and Hughes talked on the phone and worked things out. “We had a great conversation.” Cutch played Kissinger.

    So that’s it ? Just throw racially charged accusations out there to stand on their own for 18 hours with no explanation then hug it out. Everything’s OK now.

    No it’s not. One of these two still needs to be disciplined.

  12. RobertoForever says:

    Does Brandon Philips have a show on MSNBC at 5pm?

  13. Milo Hamilton says:


    More than likely.

  14. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Liked how Wehner described Phillips’ acrobatic effort on catch on Barmes in shallow center. “Unnecessary” I think was the word he used.

  15. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    IMO almost as unnecessary as his Sosa-like batting stance.

  16. Thundercrack says:

    If Steigerwald was GM he wouldn’t let fans wear baseball hats or jerseys to the games.


  17. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Lol, probably true. Just liked his thoughts on standards and the mental image of Nutting going berserk after that loss.

  18. Thundercrack says:

    “Unbelievable” seemed to be Wehner’s favorite word last night.

  19. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Its usually “perhaps.”

    A Yinzer on TV….not at good thing. At least some can get rid of the accent.

  20. Milo Hamilton says:

    Or schtrike.

  21. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Exactly Milo…

  22. schreibdog says:

    Barmes in for Harrison

  23. cmat0829 says:

    Wehner is the best analyst the Bucs have IMHO. I really don’t know what it is like for the players right now…and he does a great job of helping us do so… whether it be fielding technique (Holt waiiting back on balls vs. charging them), hitting approach (Cutch’s quick hands, why Reds hitter pulled a fastball so far foul, etc.) or myriad other situations…. Walk has it in him but too often plays the buffoon and Steve is more cheerleader than analyst (though I love Steve I do)……

  24. cmat0829 says:

    I should have said “Goodness, Gracious” Wehner is the best analyst.

  25. Thundercrack says:

    I agree with you.

  26. pattonbb says:

    The Hanshin Tigers in Japan are looking at Jeff Clement according to the MLB rumors website. Hmm….

  27. cmat0829 says:

    Question for the blog….. which team’s fans should be the most upset at this point in the season?

    1. Bucs — spend a day on the blog and try to stave off depression!
    2. Dodgers — the FO “stepped up” and the team is folding up.
    3. Cards — should have been able to separate from pack with best offense and experience
    4. Phillies — with that starting pitching and the weak NL, why aren’t they on top?
    5. Brewers — with ANY type of bullpen, this offense would take the team to the playoffs.

  28. Milo Hamilton says:

    Trib coverage on Phillips / Hughes.

    The two teams will form a circle and lock hands prior to the game and sing Kumbaya. I hope I don’t cry in front of the kids.

  29. T.S. says:

    Why no Jordy Mercer? Oh wait, Hurdle’s man crush for Josh Harrison. And Marte needs to be back in there. Presley is not the answer. Oh wait, Hurdle is the manager. He of the ultimate in-game strategies.

  30. Milo Hamilton says:


    I would eliminate the Brewers & Phillies for now because one of them is going to the playoffs. I would say you listed them in the proper order.

  31. LuckyNKentucky says:

    24/7 says Harrison out, Barmes in. Clint got a call from Groat and he talked him out of starting JHay.

  32. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I hope that’s true Lucky.

  33. Chuck H says:

    After just being swept by the (ugh) Cubbies, you wouldn’t expect the Pirates could
    beat the Reds, but we came close. In fact, we should have won the game in regulation-
    had the bases loaded with one out a couple of times, but the auto outs couldn’t hit a fly ball to score a run either time. I know the Reds had the same situation going for them in the 8th inning, and didn’t score the winner, but in the end they came through to further this ridiculous string of Pirate futility and unbelievably bad play. I think getting rid of
    Casey McGehe started us on this horrible tailspin.

  34. Milo Hamilton says:


    They have a perpetual 3-0 green light.

  35. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Pirates fans……Screw the other guys. They’re all big spending teams that upper management seems to have a clue on. (omit the Dodgers from that statement please)

  36. Chuck H says:

    Oh, and by-the-way, why isn’t Pedro hitting now like he was last month? He must be a streak hitter, and we don’t need streak hitters. We need someone who can hit a fly ball when necessary.

  37. Bizrow says:

    Someone needs to get hot, else

    Adios, 2012

  38. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I understand your point, but pitchers have a job to do as well and understand what the hitter might be trying to do.

    If they can locate and spot their pitches where they want it, I don’t care who you are, you’re not hitting it.

  39. Bizrow says:

    Wait, gotta check my eyes

    TC AGREED with someone

    It couldn’t have been Dejan ;-)

    No, that would be impossible

    We need a good one tonight

    No, S%^&, Biz

  40. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wehner was all over Pedro about his approach to his at bats last night (others too).

  41. Don’t ever let anyone say Prayer does not work!

    When I notice earlier today that Josh Harrison was going to be at short, I asked God to take away my angered, ill feelings about JHay fumbling around at short. It ticked me off.

    Lo and behold, I come back and Harrison is out and Barmes is in.

    Look, I don’t know if God is a Pirate fan (He certainly was a fan of Job, the original “Pirates” of the Old Testament!) or if He had a thing to do with Harrison being gone . . . . . . . but I’m saying “Thank You” to Him anyway! Go, Holy Pirates!!!

  42. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    I love Bob Walk’s loyalty to the PBC, but man does he strike me as the Madden of baseball sometimes. No matter what any of our teams are doing, have to admit I think we have some of the best all around analysts and play-by-play guys in all our sports.

  43. Thundercrack says:

    Sometimes you’re funny Biz. :-)

    And sometimes even we agree. Just usually not on the FO.
    And I like DK. You like him A LOT.

  44. Thundercrack says:

    “If you can cite another team in town — let alone pro sports — that would react to TWO collapses with DEAD SILENCE, I’m all ears.”

    DK I don’t agree with you regarding this.

    Can you tell me what you think the FO should say right now?

    Right now they are still above .500 and within 2.5 games within a playoff spot with 22 games left. I don’t view it as a Collapse— yet.

    The FO should should remain positive to the public. Would the Steelers or your beloved Penguins come out and be negative at this point?

    DK: “I don’t agree with you regarding this.”

    Regarding what? That they’ve been silent? Let’s hear it.

  45. Dejan,

    I watched that game last night——and you and I must have a different definition of “boot.”

    DK: d’Arnaud “then boots the grounder that results in the Reds’ winning run.”

    I saw d’Arnaud make a fully extended dive in the hole on a grounder that Ludwick is going to beat out anyway, and then have the ball pop from his throwing hand as he jumped to his feet and tried to rush his throw in a certainly vain attempt to get the runner. There’s not a boot in there anywhere.

    Watch Josh Harrison the next time he plays short if you want to visualize the definition of “boot.”

    DK: ‘Boot’ is a broadly applied term for error. You know that.

  46. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Wow…AP with a HR.

  47. Thundercrack says:

    1) I don’t agree that they have to come out and show their displeasure at this time
    2) I don’t think it is a collapse yet with 22 games left to go and they are still within 2.5 games of a playoff spot. They are not playing good at all, but it isn’t a collapse yet.

  48. Milo Hamilton says:


    Just a few short years ago, the Penguins in a similar situation fired their coach with about a month to go. That spoke volumes. Then they won the Stanley Cup.

    One collapse was unacceptable.

  49. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Could you imagine if the Pirates did something like that?

  50. manny _sanguine says:

    Perfect opportunity for Clint to send out a pinch runner for Garrett.

  51. Milo Hamilton says:


    No. No I couldn’t.

  52. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hurdle’s a genius.

  53. pattonbb says:

    that lead didn’t last long

  54. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    That’s not a baseball thing though. Seems as though hockey coaches come and go all the time.

  55. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    So much for that lead…

  56. One pitch and we’re already back to last night in a tie game.

  57. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo –there were 25 games left when therrian was fired. Equivalent to About 50 for the Pirates.

  58. Parrothead01 says:

    It’s going to be a long night if Correia keeps throwing meatballs down the middle.

  59. JohninOshkosh says:

    In 2008 the Brewers fired Ned Yost with 12 games left and went on to make the playoffs. Yost was fired a year after that club had ended their own long losing streak.

    I’m not remotely saying that CH should be let go but I’m just pointing out that different FO’s take very different approaches to things.

  60. Reading says:

    The Pirates brought Murtaugh in for Virdon in September 1973, with about 15 or so games left, but he couldn’t win the division over the Mets. They did win the division, of course, in 74 and 75.

  61. RobertoForever says:


    What is Magic Johnson saying, now that his ‘all-in’ Dodgers are 5-8 since the A-Gone trade?

  62. Walks KILL this team! Also, doesn’t matter who’s at short at this point in the season – their all making errors or booted balls.

  63. Reading says:

    Another famous late coaching replacement was Bo Schembechler ousting “non-Michigan man” Frieter, who had high-octaned his way to Arizona State just before the beginning of the NCAA basketball tournament but offered to stay on, and promoting Frieter’s “Michigan Man” assistant Fisher. Fisher led Michigan to the National Title.

  64. Milo Hamilton says:


    I don’t know. What ?

  65. Reading says:

    And the wheels continue to fall off over the cliff.

  66. Just sad! 4-1 now after little league practice has come around to the team.

  67. Boise Bucco says:


    72-72, here we come

  68. Thundercrack says:

    I think Bob Nutting should grab John Steigerwald by the hand, march right down to the dugout, fire the batboy and yell at the team. “This is not acceptable anymore”.

    Let’s see what that does.

  69. Milo Hamilton says:


    That would require a pulse.

  70. Reading says:

    The Presley jack will obviously be the sole offensive output tonight. “[We] could have been a contender.”

  71. Thundercrack says:

    Did you listen to DK’s on with John Steigerwald today?

  72. Milo Hamilton says:


    I did. Very entertaining.

  73. RobertoForever says:

    The Reds announcers did not fault Barmes at all on his play.

    However, they did fault McKenry for attempting a “junior high-type
    play and costing a run.

  74. Thundercrack says:

    Yes, that is a way to describe it. DK was at least informative. Steigerwald…entertaining in a grouchy old man kind of way.

    I wonder if he has ever met Clint Hurdle face to face, and when was the last time he was in the Pirate clubhouse. (my guess is that he hasn’t been in the clubhouse since Barry Bonds left – sure sounds that way)

  75. Milo Hamilton says:


    That’s why I listen to Kornheiser everyday. I like that “grouchy old guy” humor.

  76. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jose seems like a different player the last couple of games. Not only the hits, but his defensive play last night. And he’s walking with a bit of a swagger.

  77. Milo Hamilton says:

    There’s no law that says the rightfielder can’t come in & cover 1st base there. What else has he to do there ?

  78. Thundercrack says:

    AW, I wonder if his new batting stance has something to do with it at the plate.
    But last night he looked like he was a half mile away from the plate.

  79. RobertoForever says:

    McKenry with a RISP and he swings at the first pitch and flies out to end the inning.

  80. Arriba Wilver says:

    He was really far away.

    Correia update: he’s 2/3 of the way to a quality start.

  81. JohninOshkosh says:


  82. Milo Hamilton says:

    This really is better than any comedy on the new fall schedule.

  83. RobertoForever says:

    Nice double by Barmes. 2 for 2 night so far.

  84. bobhasis says:

    Hurdle and his coaching staff are useless. Holt deserves 50% of blame for being too aggressive when there was no need to

  85. Reading says:

    Well, at least Holt was hustling, even if ill advised. Need more people trying to make something happen.

  86. T.S. says:

    This is sad.

  87. Milo Hamilton says:

    I wonder what it would be like to have an actual baseball man as club president ?

  88. Drew71 says:

    I get it. I get losing streaks. I get bad play. I get it.

    But seriously. How does a team which was borderline playoffs turn itself not just bad but into THE WORST TEAM IN BASEBALL.

    For WEEKS.

    TWO years in a ROW??

    I don’t get THAT.

    How does that happen?



  89. RobertoForever says:

    Correia now 84% of the way there to the quality start.

  90. Thundercrack says:

    I think the Reds need to be given a lot of credit for that play on Holt.
    He wasn’t that far past the bag. Votto did a great job

  91. bobhasis says:

    Reading, I’m talking about playing the game!

    I love hustle – JHay, Presley, Cutch, Holt all hustle, but use good judgment, not blindness.

    He also should have had an eye on the entire play – and his coach, who hadn’t even made up his mind yet on what to do, didn’t think to hold the rookie at first.

    On that kind of a hit a – two hopper to a right fielder with a gun and a medium fast runner on second, duh, be cautious.

    It is just bad baseball

  92. Thundercrack says:

    Last year their starting pitchers and a few relievers got hurt and so did all of their catchers

    This year, I don’t know. But their second baseman has been out for while.

  93. bobhasis says:


    It’s a six-letter word spelled H-U-R-D-L-E, that’s how

  94. Reading says:


    I actually wrote that before seeing your post, so I wasn’t responding to it (although it does read like I was responding).

    Anyway, agree it was bad baseball, but we have some guys that would have been gunned out at first directly from the OF.

    I might have sent Barmes, knowing that the elusive “another hit” never comes.

  95. Reading says:

    That pinch hit move worked out (6-4-3).

  96. Nice of Clement to do exactly what Barmes could have done – hit into the DP.

  97. Jay G -Jacksonville via New Castle says:

    No one on here thought Clement for Barmes was a good idea…………No one………

  98. RobertoForever says:

    Wait, so Hurdle should have left Barmes in there?

    I believe Hurdle has taken PLENTY of criticism for leaving Barmes in to hit for himself in the exact same spot.

  99. Jay G -Jacksonville via New Castle says:

    Way to pick the boys up Sanchez……………………

  100. Reading says:

    1-2 on pinch hitters. My bad.

  101. Gabby finally going yard for a change. Now if Correia could have gotten the bunt down, it would be tied after Holt’s hit. Now only 4-3 bad guys still leading.

  102. Jay G -Jacksonville via New Castle says:

    RF…………there are better options than .125 Clements…….without much research I’m pretty sure of that………..I know he was hoping for a blast from Clement, at least he got it out of Gaby………….Let’s go Bucs……………………..

  103. RobertoForever says:

    No oneon here thought Sanchez for Correia was a good idea…………No one………….

  104. Patrick(RI) says:

    CH stands by Barmes until he will face a pitcher he has hit well(in key situation). As one former mgr used to say, I am flumoxed.

    Gabby saved face!

  105. RobertoForever says:

    Jay G

    Please share the options? Righty pitcher. You would have picked Gaby first? Who else would you have pinch-hit in that spot.

    I am very curious

  106. Somebody needs to put some price tags on the give away Pirates T-Shirts and put them on a sales rack and tell Leake where they are at – he may just be distracted enough to go steal something again. Come on Bucs!

  107. Parrothead01 says:

    The man had two hits, it is one of the few times I would not have hit anyone for Barmes.

  108. RobertoForever says:

    Kevin Correia does indeed get the quality start tonight. His 5th in his last 8 starts.

  109. Jay G -Jacksonville via New Castle says:

    RF………….Who cares……Maybe just leave him to hit…..We don’t have to use all 40 guys just because we can…..Clement barely has a hit since he’s been up….Again, sometimes just leave the guy in…………Barmes hasn’t been horrible since the team became horrible…..Like yesterday, why pinch run for Jones with Cutch ahead of him at second????…..Leave it alone sometimes…………….

  110. 5-3 now bad guys! Philly winning 8-6! Milwaukee winning 1-0 over Atlanta! LA and St. Louis haven’t started yet! This blows big time!

  111. Boise Bucco says:

    Maybe once the Bucs start losing REAL ground in the WC they’ll wake up and pay attention. Instead, it’s “oh hey StL and LA both lost, this game didn’t mean anything” for the past 2 weeks.

  112. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wehner really doesn’t like Phillips.

  113. Reading says:

    A home run right about now would really be nice.

  114. Jay G -Jacksonville via New Castle says:

    AW…..niether does Brownie……Phillips made a nice play yesterday and the announcers just blew it off….they think he’s a hot dog…….Not a workman-like guy like Walker……I’ll take Walker all day…………….We do suck right now……Gotta turn it around somehow……….

  115. Same crud different day and now the LOSING STREAK is at 5 games. 13 games out. if the scores remain the same, 1.5 ahead of the Phillies and Brewers. Now three behind the Cardinals before they start and 2 behind the Dodgers before they start. Oh, and only 3 games above the dreaded .500 mark. I think it is table tossing, food tossing, cookies tossing, etc. in the club house. These guys are all walking in a haze of suck right now and something needs to be done. Maybe firing that little bat boy may do the trick as someone mentioned above.

  116. Boise Bucco says:


    Seriously, I was so into baseball a month ago that I couldn’t even focus enough to do a fantasy football draft, and now the Bucs are almost out of it. C’mon already!

  117. Eric Bowser says:

    I missed tonight’s game, just got home from a friend’s funeral and I see the Pirates lost again and Walker still isn’t in the lineup. Why is he still out?

  118. Boise Bucco says:

    So the Dodgers AND the Cardinals are once again both losing, so it’s once again another day of HEY THIS GAME DIDN’T COUNT!

    I am seriously considering openly rooting for the Brewers at this point. They are literally the only team actually trying to win anything right now.

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