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Final: Reds 2, Pirates 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (72-69) vs. Cincinnati Reds (86-57)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Cincinnati RHP Homer Bailey

  1. Brock Holt, 2B
  2. Josh Harrison, 3B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Alex Presley, LF
  7. Rod Barajas, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. A.J. Burnett, RHP


  1. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I actually like this lineup…except for RB, but understand he’s AJ’s guy.

    Still not a fan of AP though.

  2. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    BTW, you mentioned an Iphone app for the trib live media thing, there’s an Android app as well.

    Just throwing that out there for the people that don’t do the Iphone thing… myself. I hate apple.

  3. RobertoForever says:

    Has Snider found the doghouse or he is still gimpy like Walker?

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  5. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Thnk he’s gimpy still. If I remember right its a hammy…those are hard to come back from.

    Please correct me if I’m wrong.

  6. I will discontinue calling Gaby Sanchez “Matt Diaz” since he finally got his first on-base homer last night. However, 8 RBIs in 7 weeks as a Pirate is not exactly Hall of Fame material.

    Of course, it IS better than the 1 HR and 7 RBIs in 7 weeks that prospect Travis Snider has produced.

    With Deadline pickups like this, I can’t understand how the Pirates have lost 8 of 10.

  7. sean says:

    Who cares if he’s barajas guy, the dude can’t play.

  8. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Hunter Pence is batting .225 since he joined the Giants with 3 HRs. Does have more RBI, but he’s also been batting in the 4 or 5 hole.

    And the Giants are in 1st place, over the Dodgers. I think we all know what the Dodgers did at the deadline and beyond.

  9. sean says:

    Aj’s guy I mean

  10. buggee says:

    RF & Ryan… Snider is out b/c of the left hamstring.

    7, 8 & 9 in the order = auto-outs (unless AJ wants to bunt). Cripes. Blob Barajas… ugh

  11. NMR says:

    Oh yeah, the guy hitting .270/.357/.446 is really the root of the Pirates problem.

    Groat’s gonna join Walker on the DL if he keeps stretching for excuses like that.

  12. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Thanks buggee

    Thought so. Those are always difficult to come back from.

  13. AJ’s been struggling which has played a big part in the team’s struggles. Hard to watch, and hope the guy with so much heart knocks the bad guys out tonight. Go Bucs! Go AJ Bunett!

  14. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m not usually a lineup picker but what’s with Marte ?

  15. JAL says:

    8 is no longer an automatic out–Barmes hit .271 in August and is hitting .250 in September with a .375 OBP

  16. JHadar says:

    Groat —

    The correct way to list that time for the radio show is “Tuesday at Noon, (1 o’clock Eastern)”

  17. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m starting to think we’ve seen the last of Neil Walker this season.

  18. Naje says:

    Milo…. it’s about the splits and the righty-lefty with Marte and Presley… and the way it looks is that Sanchez has a better BA v. Bailey than Marte, as well as a few more at bats… and so do Presley and Jones.

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  20. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Some won’t stand for that!! Stats/smats

  21. National Mart of Records,

    If’n youse ain’t bein’ da solution, youse is bein’ da problem.

    7 and 8 RBIs in 7 weeks ain’t bein’ da solution.

  22. Naje says:

    Groat… check Alvarez’ stats too… producing quite little… make that 6-7-8…

  23. JAL says:


    I know, that is way of the world

  24. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Wish I could have taken my dogs to pet night in Cincy the other night. They could have left a nice Pittsburgh present from me to the Reds… with love, of course.

  25. NMR says:

    Right, cuz lord knows only one stat matter in baseball…


  26. Dejan has a Sulia up with the video of Jared Hughes yelling at Phillips after Phillips threw the baseball at Hughes. It has the annotations below it.

    You can read the lips yourself: no “boy,” nothing racial.

  27. cmat0829 says:

    I’m ok with giving Presley another game as he had good atbats yesterday… I still yearn for a lineup shake-up, if nothing more to avoid such boring innings between Cutch at-bats…..

    The “Says Me” revised lineup, sponsored by Looney Tunes:

    1. Holt (ya gotta hit him leadoff)
    2. Barmes (can it make him more selective?)
    3. Pedro (he needs to get pitches to hit)
    4. Cutch
    5. Jones
    6. Sanchez
    7. Barajas (ugh)
    8. AJ
    9. Presley (2nd leadoff hitter)

  28. National Mart of Records,

    I have always been a “batting average” guy myself——probably comes from following Roberto, Parker, Mad Dog, Freddie.

    However, there is only one stat that matters . . . . WINS.
    ——since we fail there . .

    . . . I think the next stat would be “runs scored” and RBIs. Runs produced win games.

    Pence has 18 runs scored and 29 RBIs
    Victorino has 16 runs scored and 11 RBIs
    Snider has 14 runs scored and 7 RBIs
    Sanchez has 11 runs scored and 8 RBIs

    Protect your head [or your wall]!

  29. Crematorium,

    See the Jared Hughes transcript to know what I think of you dropping McCutch and Jones and moving up Pedro and Barajas and the pitcher in your proposed line-up.

  30. JHadar says:

    RBI’s depend on having someone on base … the lead off hitter follows the bottom of the line-up, OBP is a better number for evaluating 1 & 2 hitters. Don’t know if there’s a better number, but I do know RBI isn’t as good.

  31. Ergo, I have included “runs scored” as well as RBIs.

    Don’t tell me you have bought into the Bert Blyleven-lovers statistics freaks who say RBIs don’t matter. Why are we missing Neil Walker so?

    It seems to me Bucs have had a number of opportunities recently with runners on 3rd, bases loaded, runners in scoring position . . . . . and no one drives them in.

    Don’t tell me RBIs don’t matter!!! Pirates are 2 — 8.

  32. Milo Hamilton says:


    While Phillips owes Hughes an apology, that is not where this should end. Had Hughes slurred Phillips in a racist way the Commissioner’s Office would have been all over it and rightfully so. Phillips should be treated no differently for not only lying about something so serious but repeating the lie the very next day. What a disgusting reprehensible act on Phillips’ part. Where is the outrage on the part of the media ?

    I also suggest that Phillips should be hit with a pitched ball every single time he comes to the plate tonight. Consequences be damned.

  33. Milo,

    I agree and support every word you said 100 %.

    Except . . . . media doesn’t care because sensationalism has already come and gone.
    Retraction is always on Page 5.

  34. NMR says:

    Runs scored?! Seriously?!

    Hunter Pence 170 PA > Shane Victorino 166 PA > Gabby Sanchez 84 PA

    Gabby Sanchez .357 OBP > Shane Victorino .313 OBP > Hunter Pence .290 OBP

    Gabby Sanchez has 20 AB’s w/ RISP. That’s the definition of small sample size.


  35. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I completely agree with you. If Hughes had actually said something, he would’ve become the next John Rocker.

    My guess, nothing will come of this.

  36. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    OBP has always been my best stat to follow. The rest follow suit after this statistic. IMO

  37. Since Victorino, Pence, and Gaby Sanchez (and Snider also) all arrived around the Deadline, I can only surmise that you believe that Clint Hurdle, in his dunderheadedness, has been the sole reason Sanchez has only half the Plate Appearances of Pence and Victorino in the same time, holding him back with his superior On Base + Slugging from being the Superstar that BMTIB envisioned him to be when they rescued him from AAA. Obviously, the Marlins were being dunderheaded as well for putting him in AAA in the first place.

  38. NMR says:

    Haha, right, because the Marlins are just the model of a perfect franchise this year.

    When you run out of facts, just make them up!

  39. madturk says:

    Pedro out Harrison in at 3rd base

  40. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    now that puts a new spin on the lineup……..

    3 sparkplugs!!

  41. madturk says:

    Pedro has a sore wrist from swinging and missing so much this year.

  42. Milo Hamilton says:

    I think they have enough for a 2nd table in the clubhouse hold em tournament.

  43. Interesting:

    ——in Hunter Pence’s 170 Plate Appearances since moving to Giants, he has come to bat with 137 runners on base, and he has driven in 26 of those —— 16 %

    ——in Gaby Sanchez’s 84 Plate Appearances since moving to Pirates he has come to bat with 59 runners on base and he has driven in 5 of those —— 8 %

    League average is 14 %.

    Since Gaby has such a superior OBP that you all prefer, maybe Bucs should lead him off. Certainly he should not be in a so-called run producing spot like #5 or #6. He can use his speed at Leadoff.

  44. JohninOshkosh says:

    There is only one stat that matters in modern baseball: WAR.

    In fact lets just give into the Saberheads now. Lets not even play the games anymore. Just have the team accountant post the night’s lineup and have an umpire determine who has the best aggregate WAR value. No need to play the games at all. And in true Saberhead fashion, think of all the money it would save.

  45. Milo Hamilton says:


    Then Strasburg could “pitch” the rest of the season ! What a capital idea.

  46. pattonbb says:

    Barajas says he’ll take a pay cut to come back next year. Do we need a bullpen coach?

  47. Interesting:

    ——Neil Walker has driven in 19 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.
    ——Garrett Jones has driven in 19 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.
    ——Andrew McCutchen has driven in 18 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.
    ——Pedro Alvarez has driven in 15 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.

    League average is 14 %.

    ——in Gaby Sanchez’s 84 Plate Appearances since moving to Pirates he has come to bat with 59 runners on base and he has driven in 5 of those —— 8 %

    League average is 14 %.

  48. JHadar says:

    Groat —

    Agree with runs scored matters, but as a team stat, not an individual one.

    Watch who you call a Bert Blyleven loving anything. Some people have a visceral reaction to the mere mention of the name.

    My personal view is that you evaluate each player with a combination of what you see, what the numbers tell you, what his attitude is, whether or not he affects those around him positively or negatively, how he does in pressure situations, athletic ability, experience, and a few other intangibles. How much confidence do you have in him? Who else do you have available?

    Statistically the birth rate in China correlates well with the temperature of the streets in New York.

    On the other hand the trouble with intangibles is that most of us rate ourselves as totally objective.

    I’m comfortable using stats as evidence, but not as proof.

  49. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Phillies have now won as many games as the Pirates. Amazing.

  50. RobertoForever says:


    you left something out.

    Clint Barmes drove in 15.8% of runners on base

  51. RobertoForever says:


    yeah but what is the % of runners on base driven in?

  52. Iowa Hadar,

    I have always enjoyed you and respected you——but when you disparage the totally undeserving Hall of Famer Bert Blyleven . . . . . . I could easily learn to love you.

    I believe in guys who score runs (McCutch leads the National League) or who drive in runs.

    Some intangibles can only be noticed by the eye, but others are registered by feet placed on home plate.

  53. JoeBucco says:

    Somehow, as bad as it’s all been lately…

    We’re 2 back in the loss column behind St. Louis, who is trailing early in their game today.

    We’re 1 back of the Dodgers in the loss column.

    Those two teams play a 4 game set beginning tomorrow night.

    We play the Cubs.

    Who wouldn’t have taken this scenario on April 1?

    Let’s Go Bucs!!!!

  54. ——Clint Barmes has batted this season with 265 runners on base. He has plated 36 of those runners, including one when he hit into a doubleplay.

    ——Clint Barmes has driven in 14 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.

    League average is 14 %.

    ——in Gaby Sanchez’s 84 Plate Appearances since moving to Pirates he has come to bat with 59 runners on base and he has driven in 5 of those —— 8 %

    League average is 14 %.

    DK: Wow. How about Headley?

  55. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Hurdle said he’d like to get McPherson a start. I like the idea sooner rather than later in case it doesn’t go well.

  56. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Also like that Wandy is again looking like the same thorn in the side he was when he played for Houston.

  57. Milo Hamilton says:


    Let me see if I have this straight. Are you trying to say that the league average is 14 % ?

  58. Milo Hamilton says:

    If Phillips doesn’t go down, I give up.

  59. Philips is stepping into the batters’ box.

    I will be real disappointed if he isn’t wearing this first pitch!

  60. Milo Hamilton says:

    I give up.

  61. Dang, Milo, we think alike.

    Double Dang, Philips did not go down!

  62. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Not an even an inside pitch. What the deuce?!

  63. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Maybe they’ll have Hughes come in later to plunk him so Phillips can accuse Hughes of sinking the Titanic.

  64. Milo Hamilton says:

    No onions whatsoever.

  65. ——Chase Headley has batted this season with 389 runners on base. He has plated 76 of those runners.

    ——Chase Headley has driven in 20 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.

    ——Neil Walker has driven in 19 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.
    ——Garrett Jones has driven in 19 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.
    ——Andrew McCutchen has driven in 18 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.
    ——Pedro Alvarez has driven in 15 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.
    ——Clint Barmes has driven in 14 % of the runners on base when he comes to bat.

    League average is 14 %.

    ——in Gaby Sanchez’s 85 Plate Appearances since moving to Pirates he has come to bat with 59 runners on base and he has driven in 5 of those —— 8 %

    League average is 14 %.

  66. Jones says:

    At this point who cares about plunking? The Reds are running away with the division. We’ve tanked yet again. We had a chance to send a message a month and a half ago and we didn’t. It’s not like doing it is going to somehow give us extra motivation. The Reds could simply laugh and point to the standings. Sure it’d e entertaining to maybe see a brawl, but what’s the point anymore??

  67. 19 Years and Counting says:

    Just took a look at the 2013 schedule. That nine game roadie in September to Milwaukee, StL and Texas? We could go 0-10 on that one.

  68. More wild pitches to lead to runs. Never seems to end right now. Cutch needs to start taking all of these outside pitches to right to get back on the big track. All everyone is doing now is throwing outside to him all day.

  69. Eric Bowser says:

    …so, when the season is over and Bob Nutting reflects on another second half failure, another losing season… what is the first thing he evaluates?

    A) performance of Frank Coonelly
    B) performance of Neal Huntington
    C) performance of Clint Hurdle
    D) 2012 Financials

  70. Eric Bowser says:

    Wow, Gaby Sanchez improves on that 8% number

    1-1 game

  71. There you go Gabby – another RBI for him with RISP.

  72. pattonbb says:

    Gabby up to 10%

  73. Eric Bowser says:

    Unreal to think “finish” means having a lineup with Clint Barmes, Rod Barajas, Gaby Sanchez and Alex Presley.

    It is a self-fulfilling prophecy if this franchise evaluated their chances at the deadline as poor because they didn’t think the group could get it done. Of course it couldn’t, that’s why you go out there and get a player or two to support it.

  74. cosmo says:

    Interesting, just read where Hot Rod would like to return next year for less money.

  75. JoeBucco says:

    Come on AJ. I’m wearing my STFD shirt tonight just for you, dude.

    No walks.

  76. According to UZD, that was an easy play that Barmes just made.

  77. NCBob says:

    Small sample size with Gaby as a Pirate!

  78. Bill Born says:

    Padres beat Cards again tonight.

  79. Think about the two ground balls by McCutch and Legend last inning.

    McCutch swung hard at the ball and bounced the ball through the hole for a single.
    Legend swung right through the ball and hit it hard through the middle for a single.

    When McCutch was hitting so well in June and July, he was swinging right through every ball, not just at the ball. Even his outs were hit on the nose.

    I still hope he can get that back in the next few games. He could carry the Bucs for 15 games. Pirates need him to swing through the ball, not just at it.

    As I type this, McCutch gets a broken bat single, then Legend swings right through the ball and hits it to the wall.

  80. Jandy says:

    That SO was sweet!

  81. Jandy says:

    Please tell me that wasn’t Snider out there

  82. Jandy says:

    Nice play by holt!

  83. Reading says:

    Could be a game saver. Maybe.

  84. Milo Hamilton says:


    Snider’s in the whirlpool.

  85. Jandy says:

    Milo, I know, I was being sarcasic … shame on me for 6 weeks.

  86. Jandy says:

    sarcastic even

  87. Jandy says:

    wow Presley stretches that into a triple.

  88. NCBob says:

    Barmes stared at Leyva for about a minute.
    Could it have been any more obvious?

  89. Milo Hamilton says:

    At least we have Barajas to lead off the next inning !

  90. Milo Hamilton says:


    He sure did. Easy call for a pitchout with a 0-1 count.

  91. The ABILITY to drive in runs from 3rd base, especially with less than 2 outs, should never be underappreciated!!!

  92. pattonbb says:

    good Lord…..

    Is there some kind of curse I’m not aware of?

  93. T.S. says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Clint Hurdle’s three favorite things: Barajas, Barmes and bunts.

    DK: That’s good.

  94. sd says:

    Ok, that’s enough, Hurdle has to go. There’s a reason he was run out of Colorado. The man has lost this team 6 games at least in the 2nd half and is doing it again tonight. Not bunting Presley with 1st and 2nd and no one out previously, and now, a idiotic squeeze play. Oh, and morons, if you haven’t learned by now, every other team in the league knows your signs. There’s a reason ever attempt you make at a play is sniffed out by the opposing team time and time again.

  95. NCBob says:

    Maybe the Reds should so a squeeze play!

  96. Milo Hamilton says:

    Maybe they’ll squeeze.

  97. Just like Monday night, the ex-Pirates are doing the damage again. Hopefully they don’t score here either!

  98. So, Alphabet Boys! (I hope neither of you are black, or you’ll accuse me of something!),

    Would you prefer that Barmes swing away with the infield in? What’s your more intelligent than Hurdle alternative?

  99. T.S. says:

    Dear Mario:

    Please buy the Pittsburgh Pirates.

    Thank you in advance,


  100. Reading says:

    First place team executes sac. fly and gets run in. Third place team in free fall …

  101. AJ deserved better than this. This offense has been horrid again. Other than AP’s triple, all singles and nothing really hit that hard. Now down 2-1 and we can’t hit yet again. Come on Bucs! MAKE ME EAT MY WORDS AND PULL THIS OUT! GET MAD!

  102. Milo Hamilton says:

    My alternative would be that after Barmes stared at the 3rd base coach long enough to make it obvious – you take it off.

  103. JRay3 says:

    This one inning showcases why the Pirates are the worst team in the majors since August 8th.

    We fail to execute to get runner in from third with one out and Reds turn right around and show us how it is done to take the lead.

    I hope this team can relearn fundamental baseball down in Bradenton in March.

  104. Does anyone know who pissed off Zoltan?

  105. sd says:

    Well, I’d rather have Barmes try to knock the run in like any good big leaguer should, not have to try a gimmick play which is indicative of his inability of to possibly not do so. If you champion a player so much, as Hurdle has this year in Barmes, then why not simply trust that he can get a fly ball to score the run-which btw he did-or possibly even get a base hit. Why do you assume that he’d hit a ground ball? Do you not have faith in him to get a fly ball at minimum, especially against a pitcher who likes to work up in the zone? Did the Reds not trust Rolen to do so? If you can’t expect him to do that-and you know he’s a poor bunter as witnessed by his previous attempts-then you should put in Pedro or someone to pinch hit for him. How’s that? Is that intelligent enough for you?

  106. Do they realize they are not going to hit a HR to center tonight. Even the Reds have not been able to do it.

  107. Jandy says:

    Lurch warming up

  108. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Reds should bring Sam LeCure in. The Pirates have never gotten a hit off him. 0-21 I believe.

  109. T.S. says:


    You’ll get no argument from me. But something like that would never occur to Clint Hurdle. He’s a brutal game manager who should have stayed a hitting coach.

  110. NCBob says:


    My criticism was more of Barmes (or Barmes and Leyva) making
    it obvious that something was up by staring at each other for
    about a minute.

  111. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hughes vs Phillips coming up. I really hope there are 2 outs & nobody on.

  112. Jandy says:

    C’mon Lurch!

  113. RobertoForever says:

    Groat, where were you getting your info on the runners batted in.

    I looked at Barmes stats and he has 37 RBI’s with runners on, not 36. Also, only 234 base runners, not 265.

    I am using the baseball-reference stats.

  114. Sonny Drysdale,

    You just proved why Clint Hurdle is paid $1.5 Million to manage and you are paid $0 to comment.

    —as soon as you compare Clint Barmes’ and Scott Rolen’s hitting style
    —you would pinch hit for your best defensive shortstop in a 1-1 game in the top of the 6th?
    —why assume he will hit a grounder? because that’s what a majority of his out are.
    —Why would you think Bailey will work up in the zone when he’s trying to get a ground ball or K?
    —Barmes was successful at the suicide just last week with Presley at 3rd.

  115. Jandy says:

    dayum…fort gets the throw in there…and Holt loses it.

  116. sd says:

    Thanks, T.S. I’ve been a fan for over 30 years and this is by far the most painful season I’ve ever been through. The sad part is even if they lose tonight, which it looks like they may, they’ll still be just 2.5 games back. It’s why I’m so frustrated with idiotic decisions like this by a guy who is brutal when it come to game strategy.

    Look, this team clearly is not as talented as their earlier record indicated, however, they could still easily have 4, 5 or 6 more wins if their field manager had put the players in the best possible position to win. He pulls pitchers when they do well, leaves them in when they struggle-in one case as he put it so J-Mac could be confident in himself, whatever that’s worth-he did the same with Bedard on 2 occasions, and even AJ once as well. He changes the lineup basically from night to night, he says he relies on feeling, yet is so ingrained with the whole sabermetric crowd that he insists on turning around a hitter who’s played only 12 games based on his splits, even though his pitcher is dealing…how is that managing through feel?

    I know he’s not getting fired, I know he’s brought a better attitude here then what was prior, but eventually you have to practice what you preach, and his preaching of ‘finishing’ to his players, he unfortunately is not following through on himself.

  117. Milo Hamilton says:


    Sonny Drysdale ? I haven’t laughed that hard all day.

  118. RobertoForever says:

    Just a note – Clint Barmes executed a successful squeeze bunt in the last 2 weeks.

    Clint Barmes also leads the team in Sac Bunts with 8.

  119. SteelerfaninGeorgia says:

    I don’t fault Barmes on the bunt try – I fault the fact that they basically told the Reds that they were bunting.

  120. Milo Hamilton says:

    Maybe some day this winter, when it’s cold & snowy and nothing else is going on. Maybe we can all get together, sit around the fire with our favorite adult beverage, and reminisce about Travis Snider’s homerun.

  121. sd says:

    Hey Groat, everything I said is correct, based on the fact that Hurdle’s actions specifically pointed to the fact that he did not feel as though Barmes could get the run in on his own. Also, does Bailey want a ground ball, yes, but if you would have noticed he’s mainly a pitcher who works up in the zone, so it’s not the easiest thing to just throw a ground ball on command, even for sinker type pitchers. Did Hughes get that grounder he was looking for the other night? Also, because Barmes was successful at it once doesn’t mean he’ll consistently get it done, and if you were to watch his bunting attempts all season long you would have seen he is actually quite a poor bunter. Also, as was pointed out, it doesn’t help to stare at the 3rd base coach for as long as he did with a runner at 3rd…what else could be going on there that he needs to be looking for so long? Also, I wasn’t comparing Barmes hitting style to Rolen, perhaps some reading comprehension would help on your part, I merely stated that as a major leaguer of any competence he should be able to get a fly ball to the out field. If it was so hard, then why would they allow Rolen to do the same-that is what I said-trying reading more clearly next time instead of think of supposedly witty things to come up with for initials. You want to be an apologist, go right ahead, but for those of us not willing to just accept everything as is, well go right on questioning the moves this manager makes, including the author of this very blog himself.

  122. For Now,

    Baseball Reference
    click “More Stats”
    scroll down to “Situational Stats”
    7th column to right “BaseRunners”

    States: 265 baserunners/ 36 scored
    1 runner scored on double play since Barmes has 41 RBIs w/ 6 HRs. Those 6 RBIs on the HRs obviously not men on base driven in

  123. Milo Hamilton says:

    Sam LeCure has NEVER given up a hit to the Pirates.

    DK: No, he has not. And the Pirates never once retired Olmedo Saenz. Or Jack Clark.

  124. Maybe they are trying to just tank the rest of the season to beat out the Astros for the number one pick so NH can pick ANOTHER pitcher. Wait! Someone tell them they don’t have enough games left to do that.

  125. sd says:

    Well, I will admit error if he does indeed lead the team with sac bunts, I remember some awful attempts he’s had this season, however, but I still would rather he attempt to get the run in himself instead of attempting a low reward, high risk play. Especially in a game like this.

  126. Milo Hamilton says:

    Olmedo Saenz – Zach Duke. Opening Day 2006.

  127. Reading says:

    STFD Ludwick!

  128. T.S. says:


    Take the ego down a notch. And quit being an apologist for players like Barmas, who is beyond bad. The dude has hurt this team with his (lack of) bat way more than he has helped. Yes, his fielding is great. But the bat plays. And his bat, well…

  129. Reading says:

    Let’s see if the one run insurmountable lead is kept in place.

  130. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thanks to Jim Colony – Pirates now 0-25 against Sam LeCure. Two outs away from a no hitter.

  131. Steve Nicosia forever says:

    C’mon Jay Grilli!!

  132. Reading says:

    DFTS Rolen!

  133. Reading says:

    Top of the 9th, O/U balls put in play: 0.5.

  134. The Gunner says:

    Gaby will go deep

  135. Milo Hamilton says:


    I don’t think they have any.

  136. Reading says:

    Foul outs don’t count.

  137. RobertoForever says:


    Then Baseball-reference has an internal conflict error. If you go to Barmes split page and scroll down, it shows he has 37 RBI’s with runners on. And if you add up the runners in his situational stats (1 runner each for [on 1st, on 2nd, on 3rd], 2 runners each for [on 1st, 2nd] [on 2nd, 3rd] [on 1st,3rd] and 3 for bases loaded, it only adds up to 234.

  138. The Gunner says:

    Presley will go deep

  139. Sorry Guys! Every time my Mom (T.S. = Trudy Strangeglove) finds out I’m on here, she comes on and tells me to keep my ego in check.

    Mom knows best!

    Ironically, I agree with Mom——Barmes has been consistently bad with the bat and, like Mom and possibly Clint Hurdle, I have little confidence in him driving in that run.

    I like it that Hurdle at least tried something creative with the infield in to get that run home anyway. His only other option would have been to pinch hit for Barmes, and so early in the game with a low tie score, pinch hitting doesn’t seem right.

    Mom (Trudy Strangeglove), Hurdle and I all agree.

  140. Has anyone told them that they are allowed to win more games than last year. Once they reached 72, they have basically forgotten how to win.

  141. T.S. says:

    Wow Groat. Witty stuff.

  142. The Gunner says:

    Clement will go deep

  143. Impossible that Barmes has 37 RBIs with runners on. He has 6 HR and 41 RBIs. Subtract the 6 HRs and it leaves 35.

  144. Reading says:

    No Pedro?

  145. The Gunner says:

    great effort by Clement

  146. The Gunner says:

    my favorite Bucco – Jose Tabata

  147. JRay3 says:

    Where is the bottom for this team? No end in sight.

    SWEPT in three of their last four series.

    9-23 in their last 32.

    Changes must be made.

  148. The Gunner says:

    good night, Irene / another great effort by the Bumco offense

  149. Reading says:

    Lower the Jolly Roger … and fold it up.

  150. Drew71 says:

    Anyone want to make the argument that for the past 4-6 weeks, the Pirates are NOT the worst team in baseball?

  151. Johnny Ray III,

    What changes can you make with 20 games left?

    Our whole season is now put into your hands as you take over at Wrigley Field!!

    I went to 4 games at PNC last week and they lost all 4. Certainly you can do better than me in Chicago!!!

  152. RobertoForever says:


    Barmes CAN hit HR’s with guys on base. Wouldn’t that count as an RBI with runners on?

  153. Steve Nicosia forever says:

    Well, there’s some reason to be positive for next season: at least it’s not this season!!

  154. RobertoForever says:


    And please understand. No argument. Just relaying what baseball-reference has on Barmes split page. See for yourself on the link I provided. The 37 is right there in the RBI column in the line Runners On

  155. Reading says:

    Bueler? Bueler? Anyone?

  156. The Gunner says:

    I am out of town – how serious is Walker’s back injury?

  157. Barmes’ HR counts as an RBI for him, but it’s not a baserunner that scored . . . . because Barmes as the batter is not a baserunner.

    6 HR with 41 RBIs means Barmes knocked in 35 other baserunners, just as that stat in Column #7 lists.

  158. Still 2.5 games behind STL, but with LA winning, they will be behind STL and LA by 2.5. Don’t look now, but we are now , but we are now .5 games ahead of Philly, and with Milwaukee killing in their game, they will also be .5 games behind us. Now we are only 2 games above .500. We get to play the Cubs for the next four games, but we see what happened over the weekend against them, so this could now turn into that dreaded 10 game losing streak that each season has seemed to produce over the last couple years. We have been good enough to stay away from it this year, but the rate they are going it seems very likely. For the life of me, I don’t know why the Bucs have always sucked SO BAD in August and September, especially during this streak. 2-9 this month – NOT GOOD. Excuse the rant, but this is aggravating. Luckily a day off tomorrow, but the Phillies get to play the sorry Astros, so by the end of tomorrow we will be tied with Philly in the second to runner up in the WC lead since LA and STL play each other. Night everyone!

  159. JRay3 says:

    @ Groat – Way too late this season….but it better be a busy off-season.

    And to think just a couple of weeks ago how excited I was for this trip. The teams recent play certainly has tempered those emotions.

    But I will be there sporting the black and yellow lamenting with the Cubs fans in attendance and pondering which of us will be the first to see meaningful October baseball first.

  160. Karen22 says:

    Well, look at it this way—if we don’t win another game this season (and that’s starting to look like a given), the BMTIB LITERALLY cannot state (with or without straight face) that we’ve seen “improvement” in each of the last two years. 72 wins or bust!

    Other than that, I’m only checking this blog for updates on Epic Collapse #2, and remain in shock over it. You can’t write this script—it just doesn’t happen.

    Back to my straight jacket…

  161. Steve Nicosia forever says:

    Barmes blows, Roberto… Face it… There will never be a playoff team with Clint Barmes on it again.

    Just as there will never again be a major league team with Rod Barajas on it, after he retires at the end of the season, that is!!

    Those two are pitiful!! ESPECIALLY Barmes!! 2005 and 2008 were anomalies where he must have been juicing, or something….

    Clint Barmes was a bargain basement pick-up for a team that wasn’t expected yet by management to win anything, and is quickly living up to its expectations. It’s fine…

    Just remember this: Next year is the year Frank Coonelly needs the Pirates to be really good, so he can take over for Bud Selig on a high note. Next years Pirates should be a winner, at least!!

  162. Gunner,

    Walker woke up with a locked up back. He and Pirates thought it would be a matter of a day or 2 or 3. Now 15 games later it’s not good.

    It feels good, he tries to take batting practice and it tightens/ twinches again.

    He said today, “I take one step forward, then take two steps back.” Either he messed up that quote or that’s really how it is going for him.

    Apparently he cannot bat right handed at all, and is only trying to swing lefthanded!

    Hopeful for Friday but no end in sight.

  163. Johnny Ray III,

    Day baseball at Wrigley —— have a great time.

    Get us Friday and Saturday, and we’ll take it from there!!!

  164. DemonDachshund says:

    I have to admit… I’ve stopped watching. I check in here and keep an eye on things, but the games are just to painful to watch. 3-14 in games decided by 2 runs or less or in extra innings since the trading deadline.

    The 2nd wild card is RIGHT THERE for them to take, and they won’t take it. Guess I should say was and wouldn’t, but that’s the worst thing of all… If they ran off a 9 or 10 game winning streak, they could still pull it out. No way I can see them doing that though.

  165. The Gunner says:

    @ Groat – 163

    Thanks for the explanation about Walker – it doesn’t sound good. Hopefully, Soriano takes it easy on us this weekend.

  166. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Just got done watching the DVR………wow……another pathetic show….,,we have to win the Wrigley series…………That blown squeeze???….really?????……ugggghhh

  167. Reading says:

    I’ve mentioned this before, but for those of us who can remember the Pirates in the World Series, in 20 more games, we will officially be the most oppressed generation of Pirates fans in Pirates history, as the franchise record 33 year drought between WS appearances- previously held from 1927-60 and 1979-2012- will be broken.

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