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Final: Pirates 3, Cubs 0 … 2:27 a.m.

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (73-72) vs. Chicago Cubs (58-88)

Time: 8:05 p.m.

Site: Wrigley Field, Chicago

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Chicago LHP Travis Wood

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Jose Tabata, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Michael McKenry, C
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Brock Holt, 2B
  9. Kevin Correia, RHP


  1. Thundercrack says:

    No Walker ?!

  2. I keep saying it can’t get any worse . . . .

    . . . . then this lineup without Garrett Jones and Neil Walker shows up.

    At least all our best bullpen guys will be rested!

  3. Milo Hamilton says:


    My best guess on Walker is that the shot wore off.

  4. buggee says:

    does Walker’s head look bigger than it did this time last year?

  5. Reading says:

    I’m thinking the Pirates attempt a hidden ball trick tonight to get a critical out. Also, a fake to third, fake to first play. If those fail, then the pitchers have been instructed to employ an Eephus pitch to get a STFD.

  6. Thundercrack says:

    Evan Meek makes it back to Indy.

  7. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Have to say, Daydro is super-streaky, like super SUPER streaky, but glad he’s shown improvement this year instead of total flopping like he was poised to do after last year. With him I’ll take an approximate .250, 30 HR 80 RBI season without an injury from lack of conditioning.

  8. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    NW has to have more than just a stiff back.

    But, I’d like to see what Holt can do down there in the 8th spot. All-in-all not that shabby of a lineup. Jones was due a break. You would think he was the one with the hurt back, can only carry this team so much. That’s obviously failed.

    still over .500 though.

  9. pens01 says:

    Doubtful about playing this 70% chance T storms

  10. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    If he can get his average up to about .280 next year we’re probably looking at 40 HR and 100+ RBI, easily.

  11. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    .280 is a streatch.

  12. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    or stretch

  13. AJS says:

    It would be tough not to play tonight. As dmb as it sounds the Bucs are still in a wild card race.

    This is the last meetng between these twwo teams and the Bucs have 0 days off between now and the end of the season. Not playing tonight means risking that the game would have to be made up after the end of the season causing the playoff schedule to go into a tailspin. As unlikely of an event as it seems that would be at this point I don’t know that they can take that chance. Squeezing in an inning hear and there if possible sounds probable. It would have to be an all out wash out not to get this one in.

  14. Milo Hamilton says:

    A rainout would be wonderful. They’re disinterested enough as it is. Could you imagine the effort we’d get if they have to wait around for hours just to try to sneak 5 innings in ?

  15. Thundercrack says:


    We need this victory to break the streak of consecutive losing seasons!

  16. Hurdled says:

    So far this year…..

    11 Innings
    2 Hits
    3 Walks
    16 Strikeouts
    1 Earned Run
    0.82 ERA
    0.45 WHIP
    3 Holds

    Good thing we have Vandenhurk.

  17. NMR says:

    Watching Walker round second base on the play where he was thrown out at 3rd was painful.

  18. Milo Hamilton says:


    I really think Walker tried a shot last Wednesday or Thursday as a last resort. They need to shut him down.

  19. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I agree. He is in some sort of pain. More than just a stiffness.

  20. stuart66 says:

    I like the lineup also. Having Holt break up the “three outs in a row” at the bottom of the order might just work. i have just about given up hope for the rest of the season though.

    It does sound like PRNW’s injury may be worse than “day-to-day”.

  21. Bizrow says:

    Interesting post by Rob B.

    What a class organization we have.

    Listened to the FAN on the way home, there was an excerpt of NH from the show yesterday.

    The media is being mean to him and his family, how dare them question why the implosion occurred.

    Not to pick on NH, but he has a body of work that keeps showing he is not the guy to run this franchise…

    Just sayin

    Oh, and BEAT EM BUCS

  22. JoeBucco says:

    I might have to do a few shots of my own to deal with this team.

    Patron, anyone?

  23. JoeBucco says:

    All we need is for Correia to throw a complete game shutout, and we have a chance to win.

  24. Hurdled says:

    Huntington is holding Walker out of the line-up to hold back the numbers he can put up the rest of the season. He is Super Two eligible.

    Karstens was sent to the bullpen for the exact same reason.

    Garrett Jones has already written his ticket out of town by posting the numbers he has so far this year. You can’t afford to pay him Barmes type money.

    While none of this is true, per se, it’s really not that hard to envision The Best Management Team in Baseball thinking along these lines…is it?

  25. Thundercrack says:

    I heard the show yesterday.

    Neal said that he knows that people saying he should get fired is part of the job. He said it is difficult for his family to hear & read that he should get fired.
    He didn’t mention that people should question his family about the implosion.

    That is why I didn’t really care if he, FC or Bob Nutting said anything about this “collapse”. I don’t think they want it to be happening. And I don’t think they are going to blame anyone right now either. Unless you want to constantly revisit the moves in the offseason or trading deadline, the only thing that matters right now is if the players play good enough to win.

  26. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Yea, even for this group. Both are dealing with injuries and I wouldn’t think that they would do something like that.

  27. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled – I assume you know how that actually works, right? Being on the active roster kind of well, nevermind… weren’t you giving up on this team and going away or something?

  28. Milo Hamilton says:

    Possibility of 2 inches of rain in Pittsburgh tomorrow. Two rainouts in a row ?

  29. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I agree. They finally spoke up and said something, but now isn’t the blame-game time. That will or will not come after the season, depending on what actually happens, if any moves are made.

    I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing happens to the the GM or manager. I’m not saying something should happen to either one of those guys either. I would look more toward the players side of things. If someone is signed or let go then I would say that whoever is gone or signed, is taking the place of where they think the biggest concerns were.

    Who knows.

  30. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I haven’t seen rain since May…seriously.

  31. Milo Hamilton says:


    We haven’t seen much either. The lawn is still brown & crunchy in spots.

  32. Thundercrack says:

    Here is what I would like to see happen. Nutting, Coonelly, Hurdle and Huntington get in a room and talk about what happened this season and what needs improved.

    Then Nutting should turn to NH and say “Here is your budget amount. Make it work. Make it a winning season. I don’t care if you have to make trades or sign free agents.
    But the days of you signing free agents and cutting them before the end of the season are over. So they better be good players”

  33. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I’m sure that’s actually what they will do…to a point. I’m sure that’s what every FO in pro sports do at the end of the season.

    Of course, a lot more detail goes into those conversations than that brief discription.

  34. Bizrow says:


    How comes NH says so many things that can be “misconstrued”?

    I love the Bucs, as long as I can remember, I always have

    I just cannot defend the comments this management team makes, nor what they do

    I really wish I could

  35. Arriba Wilver says:

    TC–I didn’t hear Neal yesterday. Are you saying there is a connection between him saying something about the collapse and people saying he should be fired?

  36. Thundercrack says:

    Who is asking you to defend the comment of this management team? And I wasn’t defending his comments either. I was telling you what I heard when I listened to the show.

    I agree with you regarding what Rob Biertempfel wrote regarding the deal with the Spikes. Doesn’t sound like how you should treat another organization —-that actually wants to be affiliated with the Pirates.

  37. Thundercrack says:

    Greg Brown asked NH about the article that came out in the Trib -which quoted NH, BN and FC. I think it was written by both Karen Price and RB.

    If I recall correctly, Brown asked him about changes –which would be people getting fired. NH then went on to say that if they want to blame someone they can blame him because he put the team together. He knows it is part of the business. Then he mentioned that part about his family reading & hearing he should be fired.

    He ended up sounding a bit defensive. After saying that he would take the blame, he probably would have been better off just saying something standard like “after every season we’re all evaluated and if we or Bob Nutting feels that changes need to be made they will”.

  38. Eric Bowser says:

    Someone call the waaaaaaahhhbulance for Neal Huntington.


  39. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, TC. Makes more sense now. He does get defensive. He still brings up the “27 Yankees” comment every once in a while.

    Gotta hand it to Greg, though, he’s been asking some decent questions lately.

  40. Brad, Indiana PA says:


    Yeah .280 is probably a stretch. I think it’s possible, though.

    Didn’t know NH brought up the please spare me, I have a family shield, just saw what was in DK’s morning post (if I’m understanding correctly). I have even less respect for NH now. I don’t like much of his work, though I know he’s done better than his predecessor.

    My main issue with that guy is his personality. Can’t stand him getting defensive about admitting mistakes and bringing up the pity-poor-me card and call the current collapse a “spin” and constantly make lame excuses about how trades didn’t pan out and free agents won’t play here, etc.

    Yeah the team’s playing like garbage and they don’t deserve any less blame than the FO, but in the end it’s the team he put out there. Own up to it like a man, Neal, leave your family out of it.

  41. Drew71 says:

    Cubs again?


    I think they should keep playing each other. Every day.

    Two evenly matched behemoths.

  42. Eric Bowser says:

    If you want to know what’s wrong with the Pirates, click below link.

  43. JUCOFan says:

    @Reading….funny stuff!!!

  44. Drew71 says:

    I’m nearly certain that Hurdle is “safe” this offseason.

    And he should be. At least I think so.

    But if not, I have his replacement.

    Greg Schiano.

  45. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    He’s not going anywhere and I don’t think NH, FC, or BN are either.

    Players’ coming and going will be more interesting though.

  46. Hurdled says:


    Huntington is the one who gave up and went away.

  47. Hurdled says:

    Poor Neal says the media is picking on him and his family.

    Remember when he blamed the media and bloggers for Stetson Allie’s struggles?

    Apparently Huntington, the “delicate genius” can’t handle the truth.

    I wish his family would speak up as well. Might help us all in the long run.

  48. ChrisH says:

    Could anyone explain why this wasn’t played as a day game today? For one, all previous games this series were day games, so why schedule the getaway game as a night game?

    DK: The Cubs are still required by the city and state of Illinois to play X number of day games, but they’ve been fighting hard to go with more night games. So, every chance they get at a night game, they cling.

    But I’m totally agreed on this. Getaway games usually should be in the day.

  49. Milo Hamilton says:

    Chris H,


  50. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m on record for a rainout. It takes the dreaded 81-81 out of play.

  51. Drew71 says:

    C’mon Dejan. You sleep in until noon. How tough can a night game be?

    DK: Talking about the team, funnyman.

  52. Drew71 says:

    Yes. It’s all about the team.

    There’s No I In Dejan.

    Just that freaking J.

    That no one knows how to say.

    DK: It’s like a Y in Serbian: DAY-un koh-VAH-che-vich

    You’ll hear it on the radio show tomorrow, Drew, right?

  53. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    When the Steelers were down against Arizona late in our last Super Bowl victory, they had come back from being down so many times that year we were all pretty confident that Ben could bring them back……..They were calm under pressure…..The Bucs are the exact opposite. Falling on their face 2 years in a row….Pitching and hitting taking turns at being inept…….and managing, if I may I ad………Yesterday was rough……Here’s to KC having a good game……….disappointed yet always faithful…….

  54. Drew71 says:

    I’m changing my name to Drejan.

  55. C’mon Bucs. I’ve decided that, structurally, you stink. Still, you could win one. I’m at a loss to think of an under-appreciated Pirate.

    DK: Tony Watson?

  56. Milo Hamilton says:

    This game isn’t going to start until after 11:00.

  57. Drew71 says:

    Blue Beard

  58. Milo Hamilton says:

    Looking at the radar, that might be 11:00 Chicago time.

  59. Drew71 says:

    Brad Lincoln?

  60. Thundercrack says:

    ‘You’ll hear it on the radio show tomorrow, Drew, right?’

    If it is on the internet, technically it isn’t a radio show, right?

    DK: Never heard of Internet radio?

    How about satellite radio?

  61. Milo Hamilton says:

    The record for most interceptions thrown in a game is 8 by Jim Hardy of the 1950 Chicago Cardinals against Philadelphia. Peyton Manning is currently on a pace to throw 18 tonight.

  62. Drew71 says:

    Of COURSE I will.

    I know the J. I was introduced to a guy in Tampa Bay named Dejan. I said, Serbian, right?

    He said, How did you know?

    I said, You guys are everywhere. And you guys all sleep in til noon.

    (Truthfully, he WAS late)

  63. Drew71 says:

    Seriously, the J doesn’t bother me.

    But how does ce become che?

    I mean really.

    Isn’t that what caused World War I?

  64. Thundercrack says:

    Well I do get satellite radio in my car. So yes.

    I can’t wait to call in.

    DK: Seriously, TC. Hope you do. I’ll give a phone number on the Wakeup Call.

  65. Drew71 says:

    I would pay real money to hear that call.

    JunderCrack and Dethan

    Thunder and Lightning

    Ebony and Ivory

    Captain and Tenile

    Will and Grace

  66. Thundercrack says:

    Here is how that call will go

    Me: Am I on? Hello, can you hear me? Is this working?

    DK: Please turn down the volume on your computer speakers

    Me: Why don’t you like Vinnie?

    DK: Wrong show, pal.

  67. Drew71 says:

    Thanks for taking my call. Love the show. I’ll hang up and listen.

  68. Milo Hamilton says:

    Long time listener, 1st time caller.

  69. JAL says:

    If this game goes, it will end after midnight in Pittsburgh (probably after midnight in Chicago too). That would cause the Pirates to play two different teams in two different cities on the same day. Playing two different teams on the same day has been done, most recently in 2000 when Indians played White Sox in the day (makeup of rainout) and Twins that night, but both games in Cleveland.

  70. Reading says:

    “And I’m like ‘Dude, shut up!'”

  71. Reading says:

    I guess the Steelers’ defensive scheme was too jv-ish for Manning. He’s being schooled by the Falcons. Figures.

  72. Drew71 says:

    Even Manning’s completed passes look like ducks.

  73. MGR says:

    If tonight’s game gets rained out, it would make 81 the new magic number and make it 8 to go. an 81-80 record breaks the streak by any definition, right? Rainout = win.

  74. JRay3 says:

    Holding out this long for rain suggests that MLB still thinks the Pirates are in this playoff race. I would like to report to them after sitting through the first couple of games in this series that is not the case.

    How ironic that the one guy banished to the bullpen a few weeks back to allow Bedard to hold his spot has become our most consistent starter since returning to the rotation. That I guess is sums up the season.

    I just want to know has any other team in baseball got more of a look at AA/AAA players than the Pirates? My buddy at the game with me who is not a Pirates fan said it does not look good for you when every pitcher you bring into the game has a number in the 60’s, 70’s. Thanks again NH for all the effort you put into loading this team up for the second half.

    #Drive to 81

  75. JoeBucco says:

    @Drew – All I know is that if you type the man’s first name into Google, and his last name pops up first for the auto-complete, then you are officially big time. And big timers can sleep as late as they want to. ;)

    Man, if I could only do that with the word “Joe”, I’d be set.

  76. JoeBucco says:

    @JRay – Maybe this game could be needed to determine who gets that #10 draft pick next year, though right now, #11 looks more realistic.

    And here I thought we had no realistic shot at two top ten picks. Huntington IS a genius. Dude truly is committed to building through the draft.

  77. JoeBucco says:

    @MGR – if every one of our remaining games get rained out, then #HistoryWillBeMade

  78. Cmat0829 says:

    My early prediction for offseason changes:

    1. Coonelly resigns. Probably back to MLB job in ny.
    2. Ritchie and a few other coaches canned ( leyva, etc)
    3. More BUCS players in winter ball being pushed hard by the mgt team
    4. Some sort of offseason conditioning program for Pedro, snider, and likely others.
    5. Pretty decent shakeup of roster…..hanrahan will be traded and maybe Garrett jones for what we think is quality returns.
    6. At least one more deal of the aj Burnett variety ….BUCS take on a chunk of salary ….Soriano would fit that mold.

    We go into 2013 with hurdle and huntington knowing they’ve used up their 8 lives and they need to put up or pack up next year ( can we have the t shirts printed up now?)

  79. JoeBucco says:

    @Cmat – Soriano already refused to play for us this year. Doubt that would change next. He would have helped, significantly, this stretch run had he been willing to come here.

  80. JRay3 says:

    Game to start at 10:40 CT/11:40 ET…Pirates should get home around 7 this morning….maybe they can skeet shoot prior to the game tomorrow evening and just pull all-nighter.

  81. Reading says:

    While at PNC Park a few weeks ago, I took a bunch of great pictures of the skyline. Too bad I have to crop all of them at the right field foul pole. I’m officially on the Remove the Sign bandwagon.

    DK: Far worse from the Downtown view looking at the stadium. But hey, welcome to the wagon! Room for all!

  82. JoeBucco says:

    @Reading – it’s amazing what some of us can do with Photoshop. Send some my way and I can show you what the skyline view *ought* to look like.

  83. Eric Bowser says:

    If the last 20 years have taught us anything, we have a losing baseball club in Pittsburgh and what should happen, never does. The accountability clock will never strike ownership,so forget about an offseason of moves to make this team a winner.

    Frank Coonelly might resign but that’s more about his desires to move back into the offices in New York with MLB than he and Bob Nutting parting ways due to performance or his DUI arrest.

    Then there’s the thought that if Coonelly is gone, then his replacement (don’t be so sure about that one either) might want to have his own General Manager and honestly, there’s probably not a person in baseball who wouldn’t fire Neal Huntington.

    It has never been about the plan, the plan was right… it (criticism) has always been about the execution of the plan…or should I say, the lack of it.

    Huntington came on board and hired Dan Fox, they bragged about the organization’s newfound ability to capture and analyze data. Did they really create a system that resulted in the free agent acquisitions of Rod Barajas, Clint Barmes, Nate McLouth, and Erik Bedard?

    And if statistical measures weren’t it, then what does that say about the men in the front office with whom Huntington relies on for scouting reports and recommendations. He hired those men, cannot blame Dave Littlefield for the guys in Pittsburgh’s front office roster.

    Reaching further into the recesses of the abyss, what does the second consecutive collapse have to say about Clint Hurdle as manager, especially with the realization that the man has been the field manager of 10 losing seasons out of 11.

    Where was that rah-rah, I’m in it, to win it attitude on Sunday after another loss to the Cubs… oh yeah, he was throwing the proverbial 20-year losing bus on outfielder Starling Marte because he would never accept responsibility for a coach to fail at anything.

    For two years, we’ve talked about it, we’ve questioned the fundamentals of the baseball club and said that had to be the result of a poor minor league instruction program, I mean who else was feeding Dejan and others information blasting the minor leaguers for their bad leads at first base…. Alex Presley was a homegrown talent.

    You put it together…

    But let’s not stop there and let’s go back to Jared Hughes beaning Brandon Phillips and after the game, Phillips goes off tweeting that it got racial. Oh really, racial? The same man they call tackleberry is now tagged with an ugly comment but where’s Hurdle, where’s A.J. Burnett, where’s Andrew McCutchen… where’s anyone from the Pirates organization to support Hughes, when the video proof plainly shows Hughes using some curse words but nothing shows him saying “boy” or anything else that could be misconstrued or interpreted as racial.

    Are the Pirates out there supporting Hughes in the court of public opinion… of course not.

    Addressing issues isn’t the Pirates way, it hasn’t been for 20 years and probably won’t be for another 20, so as teams continue to steal second and third base, remember this simple phrase…. winners play today, losers plan for tomorrow.

  84. JoeBucco says:

    Play ball.

    May we all feel like crap in the morning.

    But with a W, a little less crappy.

  85. Eric Bowser says:

    And let me go on record, that’s one of the dumbest lineups I have ever seen for a team who needs to win every game and even worse than that, two absolute free-swingers leading off in the first and second spot in the lineup.

    Brock Holt and his .358 OBP but be an illusion.

  86. gonfalon says:

    so does anyone know if the game will be postponed indefinitely (canceled?), or …?

    this rainout could work to our advantage… if every game from here on out gets rained out, the Pirates will clinch a winning season :D

  87. Reading says:

    Good start.

  88. JoeBucco says:

    @gonfalon- it’s the bottom of the 1st

  89. JoeBucco says:

    Maybe good news fo the pitchers. Looks like the umpire is not happy to be there this late and wants to catch his flight as well. If it’s within 8 inches of the plate, it’s a strike.

  90. JoeBucco says:

    @Eric – you really hate life, don’t you bro? Geez, give it a rest and go watch some baseball.

  91. gonfalon says:

    well foo… in the time it took me to write that, the game started with a 1-2-3 inning for Tim Wood.

    Oh shimmering moonlight sheen upon the Pirates tonight…

  92. JoeBucco says:

    KC! Stepping up there, let’s home he does that 8 more times.

  93. Eric Bowser says:

    @JoeBucco – I don’t hate life, actually enjoy. I hate losers.

  94. JoeBucco says:

    @Eric – yea, sounds like it. Easy to tell with all of that negativity. Let go of the hate, dude. As much as I don’t agree with the front office and every move everyone makes and has made, I really don’t think they are tanking on purpose or doing something just to screw you over. This team doesn’t owe any of us perfection, and I’m pretty sure this skid is eating at every single person involved. It sucks, really does. But the V&A, as Drew put it earlier I think… chill out and enjoy the ride. Plenty of time for post-season reaction once, you know… the season is over.

  95. Cmat0829 says:

    Joebucco. Amen brother. We wished and wished for meaningful September baseball. We got it. The BUCS have to grow to another level but it’s not all a waste if they fall short.

  96. JoeBucco says:


  97. JoeBucco says:

    Partay Marte

  98. Cmat0829 says:

    We have our left fielder and leadoff hitter.

  99. Cmat0829 says:

    Pirates wish list for offseason? Pitching, pitching, pitching and more pitching.

  100. JoeBucco says:

    Guess the bats wake up after midnight

  101. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Good start boys……”

  102. Eric Bowser says:

    Yeah, don’t tell me how to feel, how to react. If you want to disagree, that’s fine, leave it at that. I’ve got 19 years, going on 20, to support the reasons why I don’t like the way this team is playing, being coached, managed by the front office or being owned.

    Again, I haven’t accused Huntington or Coonelly of tanking on purpose, I’ve made it clear those two haven’t performed, same can be said of Hurdle, though I think he’s been the source of a few stories in the media that point the finger to the issues with the minor league coaches, instructors/coordinators.

    What I will accuse this organization of doing is selling itself short, of not going for it, when the gates were open and still are open. The question was always going to be when the moment was there, would this franchise evaluate their opportunity as THE time to make a move.

    They decided to plan for tomorrow and not go after a big bat, another bullpen arm, a bench player or two, or three. They decided to forgo today and play tomorrow, that’s not what a winner does.

  103. Hurdled says:

    Does after midnight count as Daydro?

  104. JoeBucco says:

    Oh sorry, *you* have 19, 20 years to justify your obnoxious whining.

    Glad you got it all out of your system and can leave the rest of us to watch the game in peace now.

  105. Hurdled says:

    The best way to protest a bad team / front office is to not buy tickets to their games.

    Hit ‘em in the wallet.

  106. Hurdled says:


    If you really want to watch the game in peace, step away from the keyboard, and literally watch the game in peace.

  107. JoeBucco says:

    Nah, I enjoy watching it with fellow Pirates fans. And you and Eric.

    Those that know me know that I’ve never, not once, dogged another person on this site. No matter how much they deserved it. Until you guys today. The endless ranting and whining just got to me a bit. I have two young kids at home, and whining is the one thing that just grates on me.

  108. Eric Bowser says:

    @Hurdled – Yeah, not a great thing to do with a 6-year old son who is liking the game and enjoys going to the game with his dad. Sure, I could drive him to a minor league game but I shouldn’t have to do that, I shouldn’t have to hide my son from major league baseball in his hometown.

  109. Eric Bowser says:

    And what a dumb decision by Sveum….

  110. Hurdled says:

    Well Joe I feel honored.

    I’m sure you NEVER ever “whine and rant” on here.

    You are a far superior fan than me.

    if I agree with everything you write will that entitle me to be a “fellow Pirate fan” as well?

  111. Eric Bowser says:

    Pops in the stands looks about as awake as our catchers trying to throw out a runner at second base.

  112. Hurdled says:


    I understand what you are saying, but if you feel this strongly then you should be willing to make the sacrifices to back up your words. If enough people do it, someone up in the front office will take notice.

  113. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled – grow up. I didn’t say anything about agreeing with me. But jesus, you got your point across with your first 100 posts about the same topic. Like when you complained last night that Hurdle sucks because he brought in Vandenhurk when he should have brought in Hughes. And then Hughes comes in and gives up the game (season) costing grand slam. So, maybe you don’t know more than Hurdle. That’s all I’m saying.

    People like you love to complain, but the players still are the ones playing. That’s what I am a fan of. I’m up late watching this game because I still think they can get hot and make the playoffs. I assume that’s why you’re here too.

  114. Boise Bucco says:

    Everybody still up? Just got off work, glad to see the Bucs and Cubs waited for me

  115. Eric Bowser says:

    @Hurdled – I’ve already done that, I’ve skipped a few years of going to PNC Park. It didn’t matter because there’s a welfare system that protects the Pirates and teams of their ilk.

    Anyway, enough about that. I’ve said my part and now I can laugh at people wearing cubbie headgear to stay warm…. I mean really, what was MLB thinking.

  116. Eric Bowser says:

    Travis Wood striking out hitters like he’s Steve Carlton.

  117. Hurdled says:


    Grow up? Is that the best you can do? Is that what you tell your kids when they “whine” too much?

    I never once said Hughes should have been brought in.

    People like me tell it like we see it.

    The wool over your eyes must be thick.

    You should get some sleep. You seem a bit cranky.

  118. JoeBucco says:

    @Eric – totally with you on that one. Those hats are terrible.

  119. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled – apologies… looking back that was Eric’s comment I was referring to, not yours.

    Funny though, the guy whining and complaining the most, telling someone else they are cranky. That’s a good one.

  120. JoeBucco says:

    This has been some much needed quality out of KC so far. Outstanding!

  121. Hurdled says:

    Funny, you seem to be the one whining and complaining about everyone tonight.

    Stop whining and complaining about what others write.

    Practice what you preach.

    Your fellow Pirates fans will appreciate that.

  122. Spud from Boise,


    When my children were little and very, very tired, they sometimes cried themselves to sleep.

    Wait a few minutes, and a few of the guys here now will cry themselves to sleep——then we can talk Pirate baseball.

  123. Eric Bowser says:

    … far.

    Let’s just hope KC can go another two innings and the offense can get more than three hits over that span to increase the lead enough for Grilli and Hanrahan to do their jobs in the eighth and ninth inning.

  124. JoeBucco says:

    Cutch is awesome. Love that guy

  125. That was worth McCutch getting hit, to see him “dance” at the plate!

  126. Eric Bowser says:

    Gabby Sanchez… needs to spend the offseason with a hitting coach to fix his swing, way too much dipping of his legs and swing. He’s not Albert Pujols, that’s for sure.

  127. Hurdled says:

    I believe Not Freddy Sanchez has 4 years of control left to fix his swing.

  128. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled – ok, sounds like a deal. You do and I do.

    Looking forward to reading your first baseball post of the night.

  129. If you would have told me 3 years ago that McCutch would get only one half of a 30-30 season, I would have NEVER guessed that the half he would fall short on would be stolen bases.

  130. Hurdled says:

    Joe, please tell what YOU count as a baseball post?

  131. JoeBucco says:

    Love to see Fort get a hit to break out of his slump. He’s been struggling for quite a while now, he needed that one

  132. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled – you know there’s a game going on, right? Any post about that would qualify.

    So far, it’s about complaining, me, the front office, not buying tickets, and years of control on someone who is not Freddy Sanchez.

  133. Hurdled says:

    Dale Sveum hit a triple in a game I went to back in 1998.

    Jason Schmidt started that game.

    5 bucks for General Admission seats to a true double-header.

    I miss those days.

    Joe, I think this counts as a baseball post, agreed?

  134. Eric Bowser says:

    Bowden set it up for Holt by walking Barmes to have bases load but Holt fails to get any lift on his swing through the zone on the ball and weakly sends grounder to second.

    3-0 Pirates, head to bottom of sixth.

  135. Eric Bowser says:

    Correia entered the sixth inning with 52 pitches, there should be no reason to take him out right now.

  136. JoeBucco says:

    Close enough.

    You aren’t actually watching this game, are you?

  137. Eric Bowser says:

    correction, my page didn’t refresh, he has 65 pitches…argh.

  138. JoeBucco says:

    I agree, Eric. Hopefully that was just to talk strategy. KC needs another inning or two in this one, at least.

  139. Reading says:

    As payback for his alleged errorless streak, one of Barney’s hits should be scored as an error.

  140. Come on, Correia . . . . throw a double play.

    Don’t start the procession of relievers.

  141. Eric Bowser says:

    ask, and you shall received.

    6-3 DP….

  142. I should have asked for that double play earlier!

  143. Eric Bowser says:

    I’d really appreciate it if the last three innings can fly as I’d like to get at least 4 hours of sleep.

  144. JoeBucco says:

    What a gem tonight so far. Dealing with the weather, the delay, the slump… KC has stepped it up tonight.

  145. Eric Bowser says:

    Correia has 73 pitches, should have one more inning in him.

  146. bobhasis says:

    Do you devout Pirate fans know that, “Extreme loyalty causes blindness – to truth?”

    I’m running with Eric Bowser!

    Bottom of the sixth, did you also notice the lack of hustle by Joggin’ Joe on the pop single to right? I know at least one Pirate who would have tried a whole lot harder. He (Tabby) is a Pirate who needs a winter make-over or should be an ex-Pirate.

  147. Agreed, Eric. I have to leave for work at 7:00.

  148. JoeBucco says:

    Considering it is 1:30 am and we’re all on here talking about this game, don’t we all suffer from “extreme loyalty”? :)

  149. JoeBucco says:

    Say what you will about Tabby. He’s been raking lately.

  150. Hasty Bob,

    If Tabata would have charged that pop fly single by Barney, you would have gotten to see Tabata’s rear end as he chased down Barney’s triple that bounced to the wall.

    Tabata played it right. You’re letting your dislike of Tabata color your true baseball sense.

  151. Hurdled says:

    Joe, I’ve been watching, until now.

    Now I’m going to sleep.


  152. bobhasis says:

    Groat it was a pop single and landed like my lob wedge into a soggy green – or as usual a fluffy sand trap.

    It didn’t go anywhere.

  153. Eric Bowser says:

    hate to do this considering the fun but I’m shutting down and watching the rest of this in bed. G’night.

  154. JoeBucco says:

    Keep it going KC. I really don’t want to see Chad Qualls come into this game.

  155. Reading says:

    No. 32 Lincoln up on the pen.

  156. Bucs’ bullpen right now is like swiss cheese —— it has lots of holes

  157. Reading says:

    STFD Soriano!!!!

  158. JoeBucco says:


  159. JoeBucco says:

    83 pitches, he may be able to finish this one off. I’d sure let him try.

  160. JoeBucco says:

    Come on Clint, 1 more inning from KC.

  161. Looks like all the guys are congratulating Correia in the dugout . . . . . he must be done.

  162. bobhasis says:

    Groat did you REALLY have to explain the analogy of swiss cheese?

  163. Reading says:

    Well, here it is. Whatever hope is left rides on bullpen implosion or non-bullpen implosion.

  164. JoeBucco says:

    You said it Reading.

    If these guys can’t finish this one off, we have no business in this race anyway. I guess we need to see that they can do it.

  165. It’s after 2:00 AM. I was afraid some would think I meant stinky/odoriferous.

  166. Grilli has lost 4-5 mph off his fastball.

    Sure glad BMTIB did not take all those recommendations to trade Hanrahan and move Grilli to closer.

  167. Reading says:

    Okay. Hammer Time! No walks. No bases loaded BS. Just 3 STFDs to end this!!!!”

  168. JoeBucco says:

    Cheese needed that one.
    Hope hammer can do the same.

    We have another game starting in <17 hours.

    DK: Not sure anything tonight will mean more than Grilli’s inning right there. Looked his old self, first time in a while. Decent velocity, too.

  169. This win keeps Pirates 2 games down in the loss column to St. Louis, 1 game down to the Dodgers . . . . . and ties Bucs’ record exactly with the Brewers.

    Come on, Hanrahan——don’t put a village on the bases.

  170. JoeBucco says:

    Cards schedule gets silly easy the next week. We need every win we can get now.

    Hammer time. Get it done, Joel.

  171. Reading says:

    Barney again. Tired of that guy. Come to think of it, maybe he can be our SS next year.

  172. JoeBucco says:

    It’s kinda nice having a game in the middle of the night with about 26 people in the stands. Lets Grilli and Hanrahan just relax a bit and pitch and not worry about anything else.

    Hopefully it brings back some confidence for the next 17 games.

  173. Reading says:

    Nice! One more!!!!!

  174. JoeBucco says:

    Outstanding effort there by Sanchez, nicely done.

  175. Reading says:

    The Ump was all in in that one.

  176. JoeBucco says:

    Come on Hammer

  177. Reading says:

    Okay, we’ll give you one walk. But that’s it. STFD time!

  178. Nice middle of the night win!

    Bucs go for the doubleheader sweep in 16 hours!

  179. JoeBucco says:

    There we go. Way to step up on many counts tonight.

    2 back in the L column

    Fly home safely fellas and get ready for a big playoff series starting in about 16 1/2 hours against the Brewers.

  180. Reading says:

    Yessssssss!!!!! STFD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Raise that Blue “L”!

    I would have left KC in, but good to get confidence again for our key late-inning guys.

    Just makes yesterday all the more disappointing. Could be on a three game roll. But, one will have to do.

  181. JoeBucco says:

    Love it, the Fort calls for a sweep against Milwaukee.

    Get it done. No Corey Hart.

    Somehow, it is still right there for us.


    Goodnight everyone… alarm clock will be going off in a few hours.

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