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On location: Brewers 3, Pirates 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (74-73) vs. Milwaukee Brewers (75-72)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Milwaukee RHP Marco Estrada

  1. Brock Holt, 2B
  2. Starling Marte, LF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Michael McKenry, C
  7. Travis Snider, RF
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Kyle McPherson, RHP


  1. Frankie says:

    September 19th, 2012 – 3:55 pm
    I am done with the Pirates…..If someone has a kid and want to go to a remaining game, I have 2 box seats from the rain out game on April 23rd. All you need to do is exchange for a current game. FREE to the 1st person to email me their address. I will mail out that day. I cannot take the losing anymore.

  2. nate83 says:


    In response to your comments about the O’s, A’s and White Sox lowering payroll and still competing on the previuos thread.

    The O’s are still at $81 million and the White Sox are at $96 million. Wow that is the number I keep saying the Pirates need to spend to fairly evaluate any GM.

    The A’s do have a low payroll but they also traded away some very, very good pitchers for a boat load of prospects. NH has yet to have such a chip to trade except for Bay which was a horrible trade. Those chips are Cole, Taillon and Heredia which is why you trade them in 4 or 5 years for 3 prospects and not now for 1 guy who may or may not help you sneak into the playoffs and lose in the first round.

    I will say if you can convince Billy Bean to come be the GM for the Pirates hand NH his pink slip today but even the A’s have raised their payroll to 80-90 million when appropriate so I think he will sit tight.

  3. Matt says:

    Prediction: McPherson pitches great, Holt and Cutch have big games. The Fort throws out 2, yes 2 runners and we win 7-1 to start a winning streak!!! Go Buccos!

  4. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Let’s all show our stupidity: put your fantasy baseball-educated game faces on and get ready to disturb Neal’s family!

  5. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I hope you’re prophetic tonight. Of the big 3 call-ups, Wilson, Locke and McPherson, I believe he’s the best “professional” of the the 3. Seems to know how to pitch. 7-1 sounds great.

  6. Matt says:


    I believe it is more of praying on my part than prophecy or faith! Lol. I do agree with you, Mcpherson was more impressive. BTW, have you heard how rudy Owens is doing with Houston? I saw him several times in person at Indy and liked what I saw in him.

  7. Doc says:

    Outside of the obvious picks ( Tallion, Cole, Alvarez) who HAS NH hit on? His bigs swings ( the overslot pitchers) have been misses. The MLB product has no fundamental s, and every walk is 2 bases.

  8. Chuck H says:

    McPherson is excited about starting a critical game for the Pirates. I’ll bet he is also
    saying to himself, “I wonder if my team will get me some runs to work with”. Any young
    pitcher with any team but the Bucs would be very excited, and would have a 50-50 chance of winning his first game in the Majors, but not Kyle, who if not given any run support, will not win today’s game. Sorry, but that’s the sad situation with a team of
    AUTO OUTS, such as the Pirates. Anyway, Kyle McPherson, good luck and God bless you and may your team score score 1 more run than the Brewers.

  9. Matt says:

    Ok everyone, let’s hear your predicted final score AND a little bit of details. ( who plays well)

  10. Good luck to Kyle! Pitch a good smart game tonight, and hope the battery helps out too by keeping the runners in check. Let’s go Offense and show the Rook some support!!

  11. RobertoForever says:


    The first 6 draft picks in NH’s draft in 2008 have reached the major leagues. That seems like a pretty good success rate. It includes Robbie Grossman, Chase D’Arnaud, Jordy Mercer, Justin Wilson, Tanner Scheppers and of course, Pedro Alvarez.

    The Royals (picked 3rd overall) had only 2 of their 6 make it to the majors. The Rays have had ZERO make it, and they picked #1 overall. The Orioles have had 3 of the 6 make it (picked 4th overall).

  12. Milo Hamilton says:


    I wonder if Huntington would have handled the trade deadline differently if he thought there was ever a chance he’d be fired. I think it speaks to a lack of urgency that you’ve been writing out.

  13. RobertoForever says:


    Love the enthusiasm. I’ll predict the Pirates win 4-2 with Jones having at least 4 Total bases and an RBI, Cutch with a big clutch hit, and for good measure, Barmes with an RBI/Run scored.

    Lets Go Bucs!

  14. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo–as I mentioned on the last thread, I think Huntington definitely thinks now he could be fired after the season. Interesting observation. It’s that “vultures” thing.

  15. Matt says:


    Thanks, i am a glass is half-full kind of guy! Hope you are correct about Barmes. He is from about 10 miles where I live, so a good game by the hometown boy would be nice!

  16. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I don’t know about Owens. He didn’t fare well in Round Rock, but probably just a period of adjustment.


    I didn’t know Grossman made it to the majors. Good for him.

  17. Matt says:

    I see the dodgers are behind 2-1 in the 6th.

  18. RobertoForever says:


    Vincennes? That’s cool. According to Walker, Barmes is the best teammate he has on the team. High praise from Neil. Hope Clint can keep up his better recent hitting.

  19. Milo Hamilton says:


    He hasn’t. AA Round Rock was his last stop.

  20. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    5-0 Brewers…….yeah, that kind of mood

  21. Milo Hamilton says:


    Nice creative accounting with Tanner Scheppers.

  22. RobertoForever says:


    Sorry for the confusion. Grossman didn’t get called up to the Astros yet. Meant to put a qualifier in there about Grossman being part of the pieces that brought us a solid ML. My bad.

    And you are correct on Owens. His numbers ticked up a little, but could be because of the higher hitting PCL or just some adjustments. Hope they both make it to the show.

  23. RobertoForever says:


    He did draft him, so I guess it shows he can evaluate talent. Signing of course is a whole separate deal, as we found out this year (Boras clients always sign, right?)

  24. Milo Hamilton says:


    By the way, if we’re just counting the number of draftees that have made it to the majors, 15 rookies have made the Cleveland Browns this year. I’m sure they’re dancing for joy in the streets of Cuyahoga County.

    I prefer quality, that would be Pedro. And that’s all.

  25. Matt says:


    Yes, Vincennes. He has donated items for auctions here at home for people with hospital bills and cancer. Class act guy. I am the chaplain at the sheriff’s dept. and several deputies here are his first cousins. The whole family is wonderful.

    Ryan-don’t blame you for the frustration:)
    Hope you’re wrong though!

  26. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo–are you crazy or not? You know the draft is only about picking the right guy. Signing them? That’s for the accountants.

  27. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    As do I, I just see a sweep by the Brewers in this series.

  28. Arriba Wilver says:

    But does that mean that we don’t have the BMTIB if not all of sports? (the signing of Alvarez was the thing that generated that statement).

  29. RobertoForever says:


    You, me and 32 GM’s. Gotta be rookies in the majors though before you can be a veterans and contributors.

    And as a Steelers fan, I cheer for those 15 rookies on the Browns this year. May not be so happy about those guys though next year or the year after.

  30. Milo Hamilton says:


    What’s wrong with me ? As long as Baseball America ranks our minor league system high, we should be pleased as punch. Why bother watching the game, Jameson Taillon will be here in 5 years. And who cares how he does when he finally gets here because we’ll have a brand new list of wannabes that the next GM will have gotten us with his “plan”.

  31. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I think Taillon has more upside than Cole, IMO. Cole got hammered in the AAA playoffs. 8 or 9 runs in 2 innings. Taillon has adjusted well at every level and is younger. Heredia may be better than all of them. There’s a kid, Clay Holmes that was impressive, too.

  32. JRay3 says:

    We are excited because NH has had players like D’Arnaud, Mercer, Wilson, make the majors from the 2008 draft class. I guess if D’Arnaud could hit, if Mercer could be a top notch defender from his main position and Wilson could demonstrate the ability to have clean innings at this level that would be a cause for excitement.

    Instead we have a pinch runner, a guy who can not get into the lineup on a team that is 14-29 in its last 44 games and a pitcher with a 4.29 WHIP and 3.84 ERA.

    That means nothing, those players could not crack many MLB rosters. They have with us because we lack MLB players at many positions.

    NH needs to go or you can just add years to this organizations streak of failure.

  33. pattonbb says:

    @Lucky – I know Clay Holmes’ high school coach very well. Holmes originally committed to play for Auburn, but eventually changed his mind when the Pirates offered a million dollar signing bonus. He told the Pirates from day 1 he wanted to go to college and it would take a million dollars for him to change his mind. He never thought they would agree.

    He’s a good kid.

  34. Eric Bowser says:

    I find it kind of hilarious that many people ripping on Huntington, Stark and Smith were supporting the idea that Huntington deserved to get an extension last year. These issues are not new and sure as heck isn’t news.

    For another baseball person to call your system “deplorable” that’s embarrassing.

    Accountability, I’ve heard of it and I’m in favor of it.

  35. PetroSteel says:

    Milo, great point. I was wondering the same thing…What moves does NH make if he thought he would be fired…
    I don’t think they fire him. I remember hearing Nutting say that we will not trade our top prospects. I think Neal found a few good pieces at the deadline.
    I truly think that they did not expect to win this year but do expect to win in the next couple years. How do you explain the moves otherwise and the starting pitcher tonight?
    I think Nutting is just trying to say things to appease the fans. I don’t expect changes other then they need a better base stealing/running coach and someone to work with the pitchers on holding guys on base.
    Come on guys…At least get above .500. Then next year we win it all!!!

  36. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–any examples? Or is it just the “many people?”

  37. JRay3 says:

    Second pitch, 90 MPH fastball middle of the plate crushed by lead off hitter. Great start.

  38. Not a great start. 1-0 after two pitches.

  39. Eric Bowser says:

    Really… Greg Brown, really?!?

    Nothing like a Pirates cheerleader wanting to criticize fans and media for ripping the team for their performance last night giving up seven stolen bases and second pitch, boom, HR.


  40. JRay3 says:

    Tonight could prove to be the last day this season we are officially above the .500 mark. Terrible.

  41. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – It isn’t just here, I’ve seen it on Twitter//Facebook/Work. I’m not afraid to say I think DK was wrong supporting Huntington last year and I would have liked to have seen something about that column last year worked into today’s column. It is amazing this organization and many others in the media and elsewhere felt the extension was deserved based on something, yet one year later and those same problems are still there, just more magnified because they failed for second year in a row, they have little depth beyond the top core, that’s not new.

    If you are going to brag about the draft, brag about a development plan… you better produce. They didn’t last year up to Huntington’s extension and no different right now.

  42. Eric Bowser says:

    I want to find Randall Simon and drag him into PNC Park like a goat with the Brewers in town. Whatever that idiot did with the sausage in Milwaukee has cursed the Pirates.

  43. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–so it is just the “many people” (other than DK)?

  44. Patrick(RI) says:

    Seeing Pedro’s minor error, I am again struck that this team would be improved by shifting him to 1st, Walker to 3rd, and Marte to CF. If Cutch & a Neil wouldn’t pout, and
    If Holt could upgrade his game a bit, the team is vastly improved at NO COST.

  45. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Hey, the important thing is he got Ryan Braun out.

  46. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I personally like Marte in the leadoff spot and Holt batting 2nd.

  47. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Cutch stays in CF….

  48. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I’m guessing a down and away slider here to strike out Cutch

  49. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – yawn….

  50. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Nice to be wrong occasionally….lol

  51. Patrick(RI) says:


    why? He has a below average arm for CF, Marte appears to be super and has a rocket arm. Remember thev”no triples” foolishness? A competent RF would approach a “no doubles outfield.

  52. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    To me, this is an ideal stealing situation. If he makes it, scoring position for Jones, if not, Jones leads off…

    But now, with 2 strikes puts Jones in a situation.

  53. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Is arm is fine for a CFer. You want Marte’s arm, put him in RF.

  54. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Wow..he made it on a steal…too bad Jones couldn’t bring him in.

  55. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    *Is = His

  56. Milo Hamilton says:

    The number to beat for the batting title is – .3456521.

    If Cutch plays all 15 games the rest of the way he’ll have to hit about .415 to do it.

  57. Patrick(RI) says:

    We must be watching a different set of games. I see teams running on him and I see poor throws and bad judgement on where & when to throw.

  58. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–I’ll remember that “yawn” when I’m reading your criticisms of everything from the quality of the water boys to whether someone should have swung at a pitch. You know, when you criticize everything, it’s kind of hard to take credit for the few times you’re right. Ask the Bears on Wallstreet.

  59. Milo Hamilton says:

    They moved Bonds out of center. He won 8 gold gloves in left.

  60. Patrick(RI) says:

    Added benefit, less likely to run into walls?

    Although I have recurrent nightmares about Lastings banging around in left.

  61. Milo Hamilton says:

    …and Lonnie Smith.

  62. Milo Hamilton says:

    Who’s this Snider ? He looks promising.

  63. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – That’s funny, I’m pretty sure I’ve given Huntington and his crew fair credit for getting Jason Grilli, Joel Hanrahan, Jeff Karstens, A.J. Burnett, James McDonald, and Garrett Jones. I give him credit for realizing Nate McLouth wasn’t going to produce like he paid him and went out and got some prospects (Morton, Hernandez, Locke). He gets credit for making a deal to get Wandy Rodriguez, though I hated losing Robbie Grossman.

    Other than that, I really don’t see much positive done by Huntington and yes, I know he has a very small margin for error being the General Manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates.

  64. Nate83 says:

    Still missing something. Wouldn’t most logical people consider Cutch, Marte, Alverez, Walker and jones legit everyday major league baseball players and Burnett, Wandy, karstens and maybe Jmac legit starters

    Didn’t are AAA team finish 30 games above .500.

    Are we not above .500?

    Do we not have 6 of the top 100 prospects in all of baseball.

    How can you tell me this organization isn’t better then 5 years ago and all that without raising payroll which needs to be raised.

    Please don’t let facts get in the way because using opinions are a much better way to debate.

  65. The Gunner says:

    Geesh!! Another runner stranded in scoring position. The Bucs must lead the majors in blowing opportunity after opportunity.

  66. RobertoForever says:

    Well, since we are so high on Jim Callis today, here was one of the questions from his chat today

    JP (Montreal): Where do you stand on Travis Snider?

    Jim Callis: Still think there can be a solid regular in there somewhere. I liked that pickup for the Pirates.

  67. Milo Hamilton says:

    Well, we’re certainly getting all the calls for a change.

  68. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Bucs have got a couple calls. Now maybe they can feel free to mix a few runs in.

  69. Thundercrack says:

    An hour into the game and our starting pitcher is just coming to bat for the first time.
    I am at the game. I gotta feeling that it could be a long night.

    And I haven’t spotted any vultures……yet

  70. With the gift the umps have been giving them tonight, the Pirates need to take advantage of this. Come on bats!!

  71. Eric Bowser says:


    Marte is not an established everyday player, let’s wait for June 2013 before we put him in that basket but I would agree with McCutchen, Alvarez, Walker, and Jones. I would consider Burnett and Rodriguez as legit starters but Karstens and McDonald are not sure things.

    Triple-A teams are not filled with prospects, for any team. They usually have a handful of prospects mixed in with veteran minor leaguers. Does anyone really think Tony Sanchez (catcher) did much in Triple-A to be ready for the major leagues? I think outside of d’Arnaud, Mercer, Holt, and Marte; there wasn’t much to that team offensively on the prospect side of things.

    The final record will tell the story on 82 wins or not. If they fail to win 82, that’s a disappointment.

    The Pirates should have more than 6 considering the $52 million they’ve spent on the draft and how high up in the first round they’ve been selecting for the last five years. Imagine where that number is if they don’t have Luis Heredia, Starling Marte, Gregory Polanco, and Alen Hansen coming from the connections of Rene Gayo. That’s 2 players drafted by Huntington, scouted by Smith, and developed by Stark over the last five years. I wouldn’t get too happy with six when you put it into context with the draft’s failures.

    There’s no doubt the franchise is better off because they finally had a winning plan, they have a quality operation in Latin America, and they drafted some high end talent like Alvarez, Taillon, and Cole. They tried with Mark Appel but failed to get the deal done, I have my suspicions about their intent with Appel knowing his salary demands but they “tried”.

    When discussing sports, there’s more to it than stats and there’s always going to be two sides. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

  72. JD says:

    @Nate (#65) – I agree with you. Sure, this collapse totally sucks, but I still think we’re in a much better position to contend regularly. Too many people can’t get over the Jason Bay trade.

  73. Reading says:

    A call at third. A call at first. Yeah, the Umps are “All In.”

  74. Arriba Wilver says:

    Nate–still chasing windmills? Who has said we’re not better off than 5 years ago? This isn’t the presidential race.

  75. RobertoForever says:


    Are you looking behind home plate and waaaay up high?

  76. RobertoForever says:

    For those keeping track, McPherson is 50% of the way to a quality start.

  77. Patrick(RI) says:

    How much credit does NH get for Jones 2012? I seem to recall lots of talk about whether they would dump him last winter. I also recall a sort of “well, we can’t unload him, so let’s platoon him and make the best of it.”

  78. Arriba Wilver says:

    RF-at this time of the year, I’m into wins and losses, not any individual stats. That being said, it is very cool to be into things at this time of the year. It’s been a long, long time.

  79. Eric Bowser says:

    @Patrick – He should get credit because the Yankees were rumored to have asked for Jones as part of the return for Burnett and he held his ground, that’s a good move in my worthless book.

  80. RobertoForever says:


    The Yankees pushed hard to include Jones in the deal for Burnett. So that was two chances to let him go, but they kept him.

  81. Reading says:

    Let’s get this Man some runs!

  82. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–excellent point.

  83. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – now see, I’m not so critical all the time.

  84. RobertoForever says:


    On that we can agree. While fading, the Pirates are still in the discussion. Hopefully right up until the end.

  85. Patrick(RI) says:

    Good points. Solid refutation, though I wish I could cite the speculation that they had little faith in Jones.

  86. RobertoForever says:


    Could that have been chaff out there to push down his arbitration value? It seems like once they offered him arbitration that they were going to keep him. Only the cost was in question.

  87. Nate83 says:


    Great post all very good points. I knew the Latin American thing would come up and think NH deserves credit for allocating money and scouts down there to help gayo. He recogonized that as one way for a small market club to even the playing field.

  88. Mike Shigley says:

    We can agree that the team is better than five years ago, but that is not saying much. First, they have only 6 or 6 legitimate proven, very good position player starters. They are missing at shortstop and catcher and possibly in the outfield and do not appear to have prospects maturing in the first two places(except for Alen Hanson in low A). That is on the GM and the development/coaching staff for not evaluating, selecting, and training them. Second — and this is a key point DK makes, they have no depth. I am not just talking about replacements for the starters, which they should have, but more importantly about a quality bench. At all times, you need people that have the right mentality to pinch hit and to play occasional games as a starter. During prolonged slumps, they need to be able to come in and start. That quality is sorely lacking, and those are special people. It may well be that Nate McLouth failed here and succeeded in Baltimore, because he is better as a starter than a pinch hitter. And don’t even get me started on the pitchng staff, because the current regime spent almost all the high draft picks on pitchers, and except for two #1s we have almost nothing to show for it.

  89. Patrick(RI) says:

    I stand corrected. Can’t think of any way out of this, except to whine that he has proven to be more than a platoon player on this team.

  90. Nate83 says:

    Sanchez, Snyder and holt would all make good bench players in my opinion. 25 million in extra payroll could easily take care of two of those positions plus a starting pitcher.

  91. Arriba Wilver says:

    Nate–actually, BN made that determination on Latin America before he hired FC or Neal. It isn’t like it is rocket science.

  92. Question is, are the Bucs ever going to score again. This is far beyond sad. Now that it is 2-0 and Estrada is Cy Young, this is going to be difficult to win this game. They have five innings left to get their heads out of their you know whats and win this game.

  93. Arriba Wilver says:

    There’s that $25 million again. Is it there or isn’t it? And do you trust Neal to spend it, even if it’s there? Me? Not so much.

  94. Nate83 says:

    Mclouth is batting .244 for Baltimore and started for 2 years in Atlanta and not very good at that. Not exactly tearing it up as a starter. Started more then he didn’t with us this year.

  95. Reading says:

    The season would appear to ride on this top half of the inning.

  96. Eric Bowser says:

    big time double play…. lucky that was Ramirez running

  97. Reading says:

    Still a pulse.

  98. Nate83 says:

    He made the decision to build the new academy not sure he decided how many scouts and how much money to spend yearly

  99. Arriba Wilver says:

    We are paying Nate on his 1.75 mil contract. No matter how he’s doing, how do you put lipstick on that pig?

  100. Eric Bowser says:

    What would you do?

    Pirates have a second baseman in Brock Holt with an already established player in Neil Walker. Do you think about moving Walker to third, Alvarez to first, and Jones to right OR do you trade Holt for help at catcher or shortstop?

    They need to take advantage of Holt’s arrival and turn it into an everyday productive player, be it him or a trade acquisition. And yes, I use the term arrival in very loose terms knowing he’s just a September call up.

  101. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nate McLouth is hitting .283 with Baltimore with an .803 OPS.

  102. Reading says:

    Flatlined. 2-0 lead may as well be 15-0. No bats. No dice.

  103. Nate83 says:

    I must have been looking at his season stats on espn game box score. My bad.

  104. Baywatch says:


  105. Eric Bowser says:

    What’s concerning about this is fact that Marte, McCutchen, Jones, and Alvarez is half of the starting position players for next year. They really miss a healthy Walker at 2B or whatever position he’ll play.

  106. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is Chuck Estrada from the Baby Birds, right ?

  107. Someone throw some firecrackers in the dugout. Maybe that will wake this team up for an inning or so.

  108. Drew71 says:

    This team had become – what’s the word? – boring.

  109. Milo Hamilton says:

    Sean McDonough just said that no one thought the A’s would be a 90 win team in Spring Training. I guess they should just stop playing & lose the rest of their games then, right ? I mean, if nobody thought they’d be any good it stands to reason they should just fall apart.

  110. pattonbb says:

    @Milo – makes perfect sense to me.

  111. Milo Hamilton says:

    Isn’t this Chuck Estrada about 74 years old ?

  112. Eric Bowser says:

    Isn’t it just poetic for the Brewers to come into Pittsburgh,lay the beat down and then leave with the Pirates below .500?

  113. Milo, you sure it isn’t Eric Estrada?

  114. Reading says:

    Wow. An actual single.

  115. Reading says:

    Joggin’ Joe to continue the rally.

  116. Reading says:

    Correction. Strike out.

  117. Reading says:

    If we send Clement up there enough times a home run might tesult.

  118. pattonbb says:

    Was wondering if Tabata would even attempt one swing. Unfortunately, he did.

  119. Eric Bowser says:

    Jeff Clement sucks, enough already.

  120. Reading says:


  121. Doc says:


    The word I was looking for—- disappointing

  122. The Gunner says:

    Scabata continues to impress and so does the man NH traded Jack Wilson for. This team is dejected, depressed, and defeated.

    Heads are going to roll and it’ll be the same BS next year.

  123. Reading says:

    Brown implied earlier that Hurdle has been managing these games lately like there is no tomorrow. Definitely pulling all of the right strings.

  124. T.S. says:

    I officially endorse Rene Gayo for the next Pirates GM.

  125. Reading says:

    Come on Marte. Jack time!

  126. The Gunner says:

    @ Milo – 112

    Chuck Estrada could come into this game cold turkey at his advanced age (74) and mow down these sad sacks in black and gold. Steve Barber could, too and I think he is dead.

  127. Eric Bowser says:


    Why are you pinch-hitting Walker for Holt, makes NO sense????

    Marte wanted nothing to do with that at-bat… nothing.

  128. Doc says:

    BTW… is it me…. or does anyone else remember Cam boniifay being GM of the year?

    Which gives you some idea of my feeling on rankings by Baseball publications, Baseball America included. Me, I look at wins and losses.

  129. Reading says:

    Ballgame. I’m blaming the collapse on the mid-season addition of the PNC Park sign on the limestone wall behind home plate. Pirates are about 25 games under since.

  130. T.S. says:

    I don’t understand all the love for Nate McLouth. The guy has had one good season. One. He’s a flash in the pan. He deserved to be released by the Pirates.

  131. Eric Bowser says:

    @Reading – I’m going to have to say no comment on that one, lol… and trust me, some of us connected to that are not pleased by that sign’s placement during the season.

  132. T.S. says:

    Actually, I change that. Fire Huntington and Stark and replace them with Kim Ng and Rene Gayo, respectively.

  133. The Gunner says:

    @ MIlo – 112

    Chuck Estrada could come into this game cold turkey at his advanced age (74) and dominate this sad sack of a team called the Pirates. Even his teammate, Steve Barber, could too and I think he is dead.

    Talk about the team version of “Operation Shutdown” – that is what these Bucs are. All of the fans deserve to be extremely angry over this.

  134. Reading says:

    Okay. One last chance. Epic win and a new Root Sports commercial about to unfold! Pride. Passion. Pittsburgh Pirates.

  135. Arriba Wilver says:

    T.S.– love for Nate McLouth? What board are you on, man?

  136. Eric Bowser says:

    What was that…swing… by McCutchen.

  137. Milo Hamilton says:

    Kim Ng, who’d she play for ?

  138. Eric Bowser says:

    A RUN…. a RUN…. a RUN…

    HR by Cutch in bottom of 9th

  139. Reading says:

    There is ONE!

  140. Arriba Wilver says:

    TC–you still there?

  141. That’s what Cutch should be doing with all the crap they are throwing at him lately. GO THE OTHER WAY! 3-1 and no out in the bottom of the ninth. Nice if it could be back-to-back-to-back. Let’s go!!

  142. Eric Bowser says:

    fat pitch and Jones misses it…. argh

  143. T.S. says:


    For one:

    @Milo: Nate McLouth is hitting .283 with Baltimore with an .803 OPS.

  144. Reading says:

    PEDRO Time!

  145. Eric Bowser says:

    good approach by Pedro.. get on base. Done.

  146. Reading says:

    Broken batter. All right. BLAST TIME to tie this up

  147. @Reading, I hear you about that stupid sign placement. I’ve been saying that to myself since they did it. I may have said it on here a while back, but can’t remember. Don’t they know you don’t add things like that DURING a season?

  148. Reading says:


  149. Milo Hamilton says:


    What, I can’t root for someone to do well ?

  150. Reading says:

    I think there was a brief discussion when the sign was first noticed regarding whether it had been there all along. It appeared after a road trip, I think.

  151. T.S. says:


    Of course you can. I guess when I saw it I thought (reading between the lines) as though it was another player NH let get away.

  152. T.S. says:

    It just boggles the mind.

  153. Reading says:

    Now would be a good time for Snidet to make us forget Lincoln…. Ah, forget it.

  154. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is the latest in a season the Pirates have been at .500 since 1992.

  155. Welcome back .500, you sure do look different than the last time we met. This team needs something. Maybe they can go talk to Braun’s locker while he is out and see what he has in there.

  156. JRay3 says:

    And we now are just a .500 baseball team after another no show performance by the lineup. And to add insult it comes on talk like a pirate day.

    Tomorrow is going to be a tough day if they don’t win.

  157. T.S. says:

    I still have my little 1979 Pirates World Champs t-shirt (I was 10). Hangs on my wall. Represents one of the few really great memories I have of this organization. Sad.

  158. Reading says:

    Instead we get treated to slow motion of T Plush jumping around in the “Good game, good game” line.

  159. Eric Bowser says:

    They are, who we thought they were…….. sad that in 2 weeks, their record will confirm it.

  160. pattonbb says:

    Bryce Harper might get to 1st base quicker than anyone I’ve seen.

    Oh, I’m sorry…are the Buccos still on? Thought that game ended a couple hours ago.

  161. JRay3 says:

    Hey although we are 14-30 since Aug. 1st, and have gone from first place to fourth place in the division since the All-Star break this organization will hang their hat on winning two more games than last season at this point.

    I could argue this season is turning out to be worse than last season, at least last year you had a decimated team.

  162. pattonbb says:

    Ryan Howard just crushed a 9th inning 2-out, 2-run hr to take the lead against the Mets. If they hold on, the Phils are only 4 games out of the wild card….same as us.

  163. The Gunner says:

    Tomorrow’s game is at 4:05 / perhaps Daydro will return and go deep a time or two or three.

    Get the rosary beads out, Pirate fans!

  164. Eric Bowser says:

    Ok, we all agree 2012 collapse is unacceptable considering where this team was on August 1st.

    How do you fix this roster, so it doesn’t happen in 2013 and team finishes with a winning record, maybe even battle for a wild card or division title?

    They’ve got nothing in Triple-A at SS, C and OF better than Barmes, McKenry/Barajas, and Tabata/Snider, so that leaves making a trade or free agent signing.

    I have to assume the team will not trade Cole, Taillon and Heredia. They would be nuts to trade Alen Hansen (SS) unless they can get back another SS in the deal that can replace Barmes right now. That leaves Josh Bell (hurt) and Gregory Polanco as trade bait, not sure many teams are making deals for those two right now.

    Look to free agency, a very weak group…. no one here or anywhere thinks this team is getting an impact bat like Josh Hamilton or secondary hitters like BJ Upton, Nick Swisher, Cody Ross, Shane Victorino, Michael Bourn or Melky Cabrera.

    This was THE year to make a splash and Huntington failed to move because he was planning for tomorrow. Well guess what Neal, today passed you by and tomorrow will never come.

  165. Eric Bowser says:

    Has any Pirates player gone on record and said this losing is unacceptable?

  166. Thundercrack says:

    Just got home.

    Very cold night. The Pirates did not look good. Can’t believe they could not get any more hits off that starter that rarely thew anything over 90.

    The crowd was actually bigger than I expected while walking in.
    I rarely criticize fans at Pirate games. But with all the “whoo” and blowing of those annoying horns, they are making a joke out of the team and best ballpark in America.

    But hey, someone proposed to his girlfriend at the game and she said yes. So there’s that.

  167. Reading says:

    Kind of depressing watching Giants-Rockies game. Huge sellout crowd. Playoff-type feel. Kind of like June in Pittsburgh.

  168. frank says:


    Can you interview some former pirates like McLouth, Overbay, Ludwick? I would love to hear their appraisal of the Pirates and why they think the Pirates are such a toxic organization. We are the Oakland Raiders of baseball.

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