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Final: Brewers 9, Pirates 7

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (74-74) vs. Milwaukee Brewers (76-72)

Time: 4:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Milwaukee RHP Mike Fiers

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Travis Snider, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Rod Barajas, C
  9. Wandy Rodriguez, LHP


  1. What Happened? says:

    Posting this question everywhere I can: WHAT HAPPENED in the dugout after the game last night between Cutch and Snider?! Cameras caught “something” happening and someone needs to ask the question in the clubhouse today…Over to you Dejan!

    DK: Thanks, boss! Get right on it!

    Can I get you a coffee, too?

  2. Dave says:

    Let’s go Brewers! I’m done with this Pirates team. I haven’t seen a team play with as little emotion as this team is playing with since Russell was the manager. The team is so over matched right now it’s silly. The only guys who look like they belong in the majors offensively are Cutch, Walker, and to a lesser extent McHenry (good thing Barajas is back in the lineup today, can’t wait to see a runner attempt to steal 2b and the ball hit the ground about 10 feet in front of 2b).

    Huntington has done a terrible job talent wise, Hurdle I swear must use a bobble head to make out his lineups (hit’s the bobblehead when he asks if he should start Barajas or not and when it bobbles yes he’s in the lineup), Frank the Tank is a waste, and if Bob Nutting decided to dress up as Scrooge for Halloween no one would say a thing because everyone is used to it already. He’s been an owner of this team since at least 97 and is only in the picture now because McClatchy is gone.

  3. gregenstein says:

    Good thing Barajas is in there. I was hoping the Brew crew would shoot for a double digit steals day.

  4. JoeBucco says:

    Trivia question to get us all started:

    Name the one player drafted by Neal Huntington to have ever won a game in the majors.

    First one in will get some Pirates shoelaces. Weak prize, I know, but I seriously have some I will send you if you want them.

  5. Hurdled says:

    Joe that is a trick question.

    No one has won a game.

    I want my shoelaces.

  6. John A says:

    Tricky tricky, I thought about that one for a while stumped, then realized it has to be Scheppers.

  7. JoeBucco says:

    Scheppers it is. Good guess John.

  8. Fat Jimmy says:

    Joe, didn’t Brook Pounders play for KC last year? I’ll say him.

  9. JoeBucco says:

    Hurdled – you were close, so I’ve got shoelaces for you as well if you want them.

  10. Fat Jimmy says:

    Dejan, saw in the chat transcript that you listed Burnett, Wandy, JMac, and Karstens as the Bucs top 4 in the rotation next year. I know it’s a chat so some stuff is off the cuff, but do you really think JMac is a lock for the 2013 rotation? I’d have to think that he will be given opportunities, but I feel like he’s pitched his way out of “lock” status.

    DK: Lock probably is too strong, Jimmy. But his first half is hard to ignore. If that’s how baseball people feel he CAN pitch, they won’t let that go.

  11. Thundercrack says:

    Nate Adcock is my guess

  12. Thundercrack says:

    That was a dumb guess on my part. I take it back.

  13. John A says:

    Marte at leadoff, Barajas in the lineup at all, brilliant CH!

  14. Milo Hamilton says:

    Fox had a Royals / Yankees game last summer. Tim McCarver couldn’t stop raving about young Royals pitcher “Nathan Babcock”. Couldn’t stop laughing. He’s in the Hall Of Fame for analysis like that.

    Nate Adcock has one big league win.

  15. Chuck H says:

    Well, I too, am done with the Pirates. I’ve been a fan all my life from when I lived in the Pittsburgh area, and now here in Arizona. It would have been better and easier to swallow if the Pirates had been bad all year, and not have had a shot at the playoffs. I stuck with them during those 18 years when they were horrible all season. The last two years, though, have been hard to endure, having been in first place in the middle of the 2011 season, and now being 16 games over .500 this season as late as August 1st.
    My thoughts as to why this has happened 2 years in a row are management , lack of
    responsible mid season acquisitions, and the field manager, Hurdle, not taking his starting pitcher out soon enough, and last but not least, the team quit hitting with RISP.
    If and when the owners spend some money for some real players, I will return as a fan. HELLO, 21 seasons in a row!!!

  16. JAL says:

    Barajas is 2 for 5 against Fiers and neither catcher can stop a running game.

  17. Hurdled says:

    hooray shoelaces!

    I knew today was gonna be a good day.

  18. JoeBucco says:

    FWIW – Adcock was drafted in 2006, by the Mariners.

  19. Jandy says:

    JAL, what is Fort against Fiers?

  20. Jandy says:

    DK, #1, no coffee, make it Starbucks!

  21. Jandy says:

    Oh, and DK, if the NHL Lockout goes into November, will you give up Starbucks for a week? You jinxed it!

  22. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled and John A.

    If you guys want the shoelaces, please go to my horribly neglected Pirates blog and fill out the contact form on this page…

    I’ll get those right out to you.

    And uh, they are courtesy of my equally horribly neglected sports e-commerce store. Here’s what you win…

  23. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I was going to say that. Didn’t we get Adcock in the Jack Wilson deal?

  24. The Gunner says:

    Today will be a win. Wandy will keep the Bucs in the game. Daydro might hit a couple.

    However, if things go awry, things will get UGLY!

  25. JoeBucco says:

    Yep, we did.

    Jack Wilson and Ian Snell to the Seattle Mariners for Ronny Cedeno, Jeff Clement, pitching prospects Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock

  26. Thundercrack says:

    Yes Lucky. That’s what made my guess so dumb.

  27. JoeBucco says:

    Call me crazy, but today is win #1 of a 7 game streak.

    Unfortunately, it will be too little, too late, for playoffs.

  28. Jandy says:

    Gunner, be prepared for Ugly with a capital “U”
    But I appreciate your optimism. Go Bucs!

  29. Milo Hamilton says:


    You’re crazy.

  30. Jandy says:

    And Milo doesn’t disappoint :)

  31. Arriba Wilver says:

    JAL–wanna bet on which team gets the most stolen bases? (you’d have to pick the Pirates). :-)

  32. JoeBucco says:

    @MIlo – agreed. But it shouldn’t be. It Wandy, then the Stros, then the Mess. 7 game streak should not be absurd. But it is.

  33. John A says:

    Howabout 5 of 8 putting us at 79 wins for the final homestand? Is that too much to ask?

  34. JAL says:

    Jandy Fort 0 for 0 against Fiers

  35. Jandy says:

    JAL, UGH but thanks for the answer. I’d still rather have Fort in, but oh well.

  36. JAL says:


    I never bet on baseball, too unpredictable

  37. gregenstein says:

    “Call me crazy, but today is win #1 of a 7 game streak. ”
    If they win 7 in a row, they’ll be within a game of the wild card. Problem is, I really, REALLY doubt they can pull that off.

  38. Bizrow says:

    Did anyone see or discuss Mr Huntington’s interview on KDKA TV last night? When asked what caused the collapse these past few years, he brought up “extra inning games”

    So that is now the key for next season, simply keep a horrible pitcher on the roster who’s sole purpose is to be used if a game goes beyond say 11 innings or so. The guy gets hammered, we lose the game, but come September the PBC is fresh as roses……

    You can’t make this stuff up

  39. Bizrow says:

    Specifically, “long extra inning games”

  40. Arriba Wilver says:

    Biz–that’s sounds like another way of saying ” depth.”

  41. Rumor on the street is——if Wandy throws a perfect game today, Brewers will somehow still manage to steal 5 bases against Barajas.

  42. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Sounds like another way of saying “choke”. I hate excuses.

  43. Reading says:

    Not sure how anybody can think that the Pirates losses are caused by every walk effectively becoming a double or triple a few pitches later. Just don’t see it.

  44. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’d really like to get AJ’s candid take on all this. After his last start, he was still saying all the right things, but he has the experience with multiple organizations. Just musing.

  45. Dejan,

    Remember when you were calling for Neil Huntington to step up and speak about the spiraling Pirates about 10 days ago?

    Having listened to the depressingly pathetic “Neil Huntington Show” on Sunday, where excuses flew like snowflakes in a blizzard, and Mr. Huntington on a few other venues since then, getting increasingly defensive and pathetic . . . . . . Well, I preferred it when the BMTIB was mute!!

    I blame this all on you, Dejan!

  46. albatross says:

    Forget Nate Adock… we could sure use Joe Adcock.

  47. One batter: one hit, one stolen base, one error, one guy on 3rd with no outs. No pattern there!

  48. Milo Hamilton says:

    And I was wondering when I was going to get the grass cut.

  49. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think DK assured the lockout will be a long one today with his “there will be pucks” declaration. But, to be fair, he didn’t say it was an “absolute lock.”. (maybe because that might be confusing in this context).

  50. 3 – 0, men on 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, already 1 stolen base, 1 error on Barajas, 1 bobble by Barmes that takes away double-play . . . . . .

    . . . . . . I wish I had the guts to turn this off. I think it might be like driving by an auto accident and rubber-necking.

    Of course, I did stay to watch and cheer at my youngest daughter’s soccer matches, so I can put up with anything, even another Buc devolution!

  51. TCB says:

    Wandy goes BOOM. That didn’t take long. Game might be over before the Bucs even bat.

  52. Reading says:

    I’m going to go out on a limb and call “Ballgame” on this one.

  53. Hurdled says:

    I have an idea for a future column.

    DK, please hear me out on this one.

    Derrek Lee finally writes back, and asks if his decision to retire still looks unwise.

    Or has that ship already sailed?

  54. JRay3 says:

    We are just witnessing a byproduct of a lack of leadership, development and accountability….I just wonder why I would even be surprised by this second half.

  55. Hurdled says:

    Wow, did I just suggest a column idea?

    Seriously, did I just do that?

    Man, I apologize sincerely DK.

    Who am I do bark orders at you.

    It won’t happen again.

  56. Johnny Ray III,

    I’ve been working so much that I haven’t had a chance to hear your report from Wrigley.

    1/ Did you love Wrigley?
    2/ Did you get to see a win?
    3/ Did your drive home with tears in your eyes?

  57. Naje says:

    JRay… LOFT is the answer… Lack Of Flippin Talent

    Or lack of brains… lack of baseball acumen… lack of ….

    sickening… gut-punch sickening…

    Marte steals a base which gives the Bucs a runner on 2nd with no outs… and ALL YEAR that has been a major problem

    Marte doesn’t tag up on a fly ball to right-center… ok, fine, maybe it was too shallow.

    Marte doesn’t attempt to steal third with one out…. ok, fine, maybe he’s slow.

    Marte doesn’t hold at 2nd base on a ground ball hit to the SS…

    Ok, now THAT’S a poor, poor play. Typical, though, of Pirates baseball.

  58. Parrothead01 says:

    The first inning is pretty typical of the last month of Pirate Baseball. Opposing team gets runners on and gets them home. Pirates get runner in Scoring position and. Can’t even advance them a base, let alone score .

  59. Milo Hamilton says:

    Would Navy SEAL training have taught Marte to stay at 2nd on a grounder to short ?

  60. Milo,

    Maybe bombs planted by SEALS between 2nd and 3rd.

  61. Milo Hamilton says:


    But how much will that cost ?

  62. Hurdled says:


    I believe it was hot lava that slowed him down.

    Yep, hot lava between 2nd and 3rd today.

  63. Naje says:

    Guys, the SEAL training is probably a lot more effective than the whatever the instructors are teaching…we see THOSE results daily…

  64. Milo and Hurdled,

    Zambelli Fireworks, and Buccos can write off the cost as a Fireworks Night!

  65. John Lease says:

    Is the game on already? Let me guess, Pirates losing already.

  66. Naje says:

    Milo… just to finish… General Stark spoke about those SEAL training days not taking the place of baseball stuff and he did mention that those were additional days to the training.

    I’ve got no issue with it… but I do have an issue with whatever instruction that guy is overseeing. Major issues with the General there.

    DK: Don’t make up your mind too soon, in either direction. Stay up tonight.

  67. Milo Hamilton says:


    Yes. Yes we do.

  68. Milo Hamilton says:


    We may be better off if the SEAL training replaced what the General is teaching.

  69. When I think of the Pirates doing the SEAL training, I picture the troops in “Stripes”!!

  70. JRay3 says:

    @ Groat

    1- Wrigley was amazing! Thanks for asking. What a great atmosphere to soak in a ball game. The people were so friendly, the fans enjoy the game and the park itself brings you back in time. After the game it was so much fun to hang out at all the sports bars catch some football and hang out with passionate sports fans.

    2 – I saw the 7-6 victory on Saturday where the Hammer was doing everything possible to give the game to the Cubs in the 9th. It was so nice for one day to not have to hear the Go Cubs Go hey Chicago what do you say the Cubs are going to win today song.

    3- I was just telling somebody today about the trip and how the Pirates have so frustrated me that I had zero emotion (enjoyed the ballpark most), very different and unlike the trip I took to San Diego in August where the losses gut punched me and my wife could not understand how hard I was taking it. This team has just sapped me of all enthusiasm, so no tears here.

  71. Milo Hamilton says:


    Sounds like you have more. The Pirates are the gift that keeps on giving for a sportswriter.

  72. Reading says:

    One can only imagine how good B. Ruth and T. Cobb would have been had they gone through SEAL training for three days.

  73. Parrothead01 says:

    Amazing how easy that is for other teams. Get a runner in scoring position, move him up with an out and score him with an out.

  74. Milo Hamilton says:

    Lazy piece of umpiring by Paul Fairchild. Ramirez never touched the plate. Great throw by Marte & good job by Barajas to block the plate.

    DK: Lazy the perfect word. Needed to be in better position. Behind Barajas makes no sense on that play.

  75. Milo Hamilton says:

    That arm that Marte has is going to save this team runs in the future. There’s no saberstat for that.

  76. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wandy must feel like he’s back with the Astros.

  77. Milo Hamilton says:

    There is one way to keep Melky Cabrera from winning the batting title.

  78. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    DK, how late do we need to stay up? We aren’t all vampires that gorge on Starbucks. Especially those of us who prefer Dunkin Donuts…

  79. Reading says:

    My “Ballgame” declaration is fading away like the picture in Back to the Future. Good!

  80. John A says:

    @Milo, there is a SABR stat for arm its incorporated into UZR.

    Outfield arm run values are also computed separately from “regular” UZR. They are based on the speed and location of batted balls to the outfield and how often base runners advance extra bases (advances), don’t advance the extra base (holds), or get thrown out trying to advance (kills).

  81. Reading says:

    It now reads “B lg .”

  82. Milo Hamilton says:

    John A,

    I stand corrected, sort of. If Ramirez had just stayed at 3rd I’m guessing there’s nothing for that.

  83. Arriba Wilver says:

    30 dingers. Wow.

  84. Thundercrack says:

    ‘Wandy must feel like he’s back with the Astros.’

    AW, I nominate that one for Post Of The Day.

  85. Milo Hamilton says:

    How did we ever know Brooks Robinson was a great 3rd baseman without UZR ?

  86. Milo Hamilton says:

    Completely disagree with hitting for Wandy here. He’s just gotten it together.

  87. stuart66 says:

    Bases loaded no one out. Only a moron would pinch hit for the person who has been our best pitcher in the last little while!



  88. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    In case nobody knew or remembered.

    there’s football on tonight…regardless of who it is, still will be more entertaining than what the Bucs will do tonight.

  89. JoeBucco says:

    I’m with you Milo. Wandy on a roll is our best option. Wandy struggling is one of our best options.

  90. LuckyNKentucky says:


    #86 gets my vote for post of the day. Amen and double amen.

  91. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Just for the record, I did say that Cutch would hit his 30th HR during this series.

  92. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree the Wandy move is suspect, but they HAVEN ‘T been scoring any runs, and the results pretty much confirm it was the right move. (results of this inning–got a run because of the pinch hitter). Nothing else despite having the bases loaded with no outs.

  93. Reading says:

    Wipe the slate clean. At least the leader came through with a 3-run blast. About time somebody stepped up and took matters into their own hands.

  94. stuart66 says:

    So the question is, could Wandy have hit an infield grounder?

    I think he could. If he did who would the Brewers choose to force out the Silver Streakin Roddy the B at second, or Wandy at first?

    Me too.

    I was one of the guys calling for Starling to be called up. He is not ready. Too much lunging at 0-2 pitches, and for that matter too many 0-2 counts.

    We had the bases loaded with no one out and managed one run by sacrificing our best pitcher.

    I haven’t even looked at who will pitch for us. Maybe Lurch?

    Sorry Jandy Lurch is just too perfect.


  95. Arriba Wilver says:

    Stuart–We’ll never know.

  96. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    GAMECAST shows all of Hughes pitches right down the middle…

  97. RobertoForever says:

    With respect to Wandy grounding out and getting an RBI. We’ll never know, but his track record in 2012 with guys on 3B is 12 AB and 2 RBI’s.

    With the bases loaded – 6 AB, 1 RBI.

    Presley – 23 AB and 7 RBI’s

    With the bases loaded – 4 AB, 2 RBI.

    So at least double the chance to score a run, or using the stats with bases loaded, three times the chance to score a run.

  98. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s weird, Ryan. There were some that we’re wayyy outside. And he threw 12 balls in 27 pitches.

  99. RobertoForever says:

    I would say that Clint is making changes like this is a playoff game, but then again, Ron Roenicke just wasted a batter to get a righty vs a lefty matchup, where his batter is batting .111 vs the lefty.

  100. Reading says:

    Nice job by Watson to get out of jam.

  101. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hurdle needs to make sure to pinch hit for Barmes next time up.

  102. Arriba Wilver says:

    The Killer B’s. No, really.

  103. Thundercrack says:

    Listening to the game on the radio (and reading some of these posts) it seems like Clint is managing like

    1) His hair is on fire
    2) He fears he will lose his job
    3) He REALLY wants to end the season above .500

  104. Arriba Wilver says:

    Can we always hit against this pitcher?

  105. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    whoa, whoa, whoa….whats going on here?

  106. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Did d’Arnaud pinch run for Barajas……..I hate work always getting in the way with this.

  107. Arriba Wilver says:

    TC–I agree with 1 and 3. #2? Not so much.

  108. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    someone said it above..

    He’s approaching this game as a playoff game and I agree with that thought.

  109. Arriba Wilver says:


  110. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s putting a foot down. In what, I don’t know.

  111. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Why did he wait until he was on 3rd?

  112. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    He needs too. This is the playoffs for the Pirates right now…

  113. RobertoForever says:

    Barmes is 3 for 3 today.

  114. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    been doing well in August/Sept…glad to see it.

  115. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    .271 for august and .263 for Sept, but I’m not sure if that includes today’s game, probably not.

  116. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    That’s getting the job done by Snider.

  117. Arriba Wilver says:

    Veras apparently doesn’t know that Snider can’t hit anything on the inside half of the plate.

  118. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Man, these guys can’t get me excited again…….I don’t like the let down at the end.

  119. RobertoForever says:

    I would be ok with Cutch hitting another HR and piling on in this inning.

  120. RobertoForever says:


    Its .300 and .829 OPS for Sept for Barmes if you include today.

  121. RobertoForever says:

    Sorry, just updated and after the HR, its .317 and .928 OPS in Sept for Barmes

  122. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Can’t complain about that at all..

  123. Thundercrack says:

    #118 may also be nominated as Post Of The Day.


  124. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s not going to pitch Hanrahan 2 innings is he ?

  125. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wait a second– is it the 8th inning? Grilli’s in but the box score says its the 7th. We really are shaking things up.

  126. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    There isn’t a better hitter in baseball more deserving of a HBP than Ryan Braun.

    Probably steal 2nd though.

  127. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    boom…called that one

  128. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    If he has to, he should….

  129. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wilson or Morris for the 8th? Resop?

  130. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Or all of the above!

  131. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Second the motion.

  132. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Is anyone at the game tonight or is the attendance as miserable as it was last night for DK?

  133. RobertoForever says:

    I understand all of the folks that are really let down, and even angry, about the Pirates this year.

    Truthfully, this is the best year for the Pirates for me in the last 20 years. I watch/listen to as many games as I can while living out of the area, and try to get to Pirates games in Pittsburgh and on the road whenever I can.

    But this is the first time in 19 years in September that the mothership puts “Pittsburgh” up on the screen when showing the wildcard standings. Usually by July, the Pirates are not even mentioned in most national shows, unless its some blooper.

    Its been a few weeks since I went to see them in person, so IIRC the Pirates are 10-2 in games that I have attended at PNC to root for them. Even if they don’t make the playoffs, or even reach .500, it doesn’t take away from the memories of greatness from this season.

    Of course I am disappointed that this is not the year that the Bucs will host a playoff game, and my brother and I get to meet in Pittsburgh for the intensity.

    But there is no doubt there is progress being made. Its not a worst to first story, but it sure seems like steady progress. I have some close contacts in another organization in the majors, and while usually known for great drafting, developmental staff, etc, they are really struggling the last few years. Even attended a Pirates game with one of the guys, and he could not believe the putting down of true major league players from the folks in the stands, like Garrett Jones, Alvarez, Barmes. He commented about how many teams lack a quality 3B and SS in spite of all their efforts.

    So you’ll excuse me if I don’t call for firings, or speculate on who seem to be ‘losers’ and ‘failures’. Personally, I was able to enjoy the ‘irrational exuberance’ of June and July, and feel the disappointment of August and Sept, without feeling like folks need fired, or the team deserves to be given up on.

    Don’t fault anyone for feeling the way they do. But just don’t share the doom and gloom. Finishing under .500 will certainly be falling short of the mark. But it doesn’t signal failure to me.

    Sorry for the long rant. Enjoy the rest of the game. I know I enjoyed the Braun plunking by Grilli just now, accidental or message-sending.

  134. For Now,

    Your personal portrait above was appropriate and appreciated.

    You present yourself in rapscallion fashion so frequently, often antagonistically, that it’s nice to picture you as appreciating this Pirate season and happy about baseball. You are human after all. Good!

  135. Milo Hamilton says:

    Chad Qualls in for the 8th. OK.

    I’ll already tell you what Hurdle will say. He used Grilli in the 7th against the middle of the order.

  136. Arriba Wilver says:

    Boy, was I off. Qualms, with JMac in the bullpen (Resop a late addition). Dang!

  137. Milo Hamilton says:

    And James McDonald is getting loose.

  138. Arriba Wilver says:

    Qualls, although my iPad may be smarter than I am.

  139. Reading says:

    Get Lincoln out of there! Come on Man!!

  140. LuckyNKentucky says:

    He can’t put J-Mac in with the tying run now at the plate.

  141. Milo Hamilton says:


    Beautiful. I thought that was on purpose.

  142. Nyjer Morgan swings at a 2 – 0 pitch. Thank you!!

    Get Hanrahan up to face Braun!!!

  143. NCBob says:

    too bad it wasn’t really Lincoln.
    Who trades good relievers during a pennant race?

  144. Reading says:

    About that playoff-type managing…

  145. Eric Bowser says:

    This is what I come home to, I turn on game and I see a lead in 8th inning and Qualls is pitching???? Wow.

  146. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Isn’t Chad Qualls the BP depth that NH picked up?

    I kid, I kid..

  147. Eric Bowser says:

    Why did the team pick up Takahashi, if he’s not going to be used????

  148. Reading says:

    My “Ballgame” call is starting to re-formulate. Not good. Wesop time.

  149. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Its hammer time…..bring the dude in

  150. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    well, not “the Dude” just hammer

  151. Reading says:

    Weeks, Braun, and Ramirez- no biggie.

  152. Drew71 says:

    “Qualms” may be the inadvertently best post of the year

  153. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–have you seen Takahashi pitch?

  154. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Maybe they do need “the dude”

  155. T.S. says:

    Thank you, Clint Hurdle. Schmuck.

  156. Reading says:

    If Braun actually swung like his on-deck circle warmup swings, he’d be batting about .014.

  157. Drew71 says:

    And Arriba. It’s not smarter.

    I’m sure it has better judgment about LOTS of things.

    But not smarter.

  158. Eric Bowser says:

    Are you kidding me?

    Fire them all…..

    Players choked

    What else to say…..

  159. Arriba Wilver says:

    Drew–my iPad thanks you for the support.

  160. Reading says:

    Walk Braun. Go for DP (assuming dude does not steal second).

  161. Eric Bowser says:

    Arriba – Have you seen Qualls pitch?

  162. NCBob says:

    Good thing we have all the bullpen depth…

  163. Milo Hamilton says:

    There isn’t one area of this team that hasn’t taken the gas pipe.

  164. T.S. says:

    Greg Brown’s “clear the deck” will hopefully take on a whole new meaning at season’s end. If Nutting has any clue what matters.

  165. NCBob says:

    Just put Braun on 2nd base

  166. Reading says:

    What would Murtaugh do?

  167. Milo Hamilton says:


    Spit tobacco juice on your shoe.

  168. Reading says:

    After the base is stolen, I guess you walk Aramis.

  169. T.S. says:

    Clint, enjoying chomping on that damn gum?

  170. How . . . . How . . . . How could this be happening????????

    I’m numb! I’m . . . . . . . .

  171. Reading says:


    Good one!

    I think he would have pulled Qualls after first guy got on. Correction, Qualls would have never seen the field in this type of game.

  172. T.S. says:

    If you’re a player on the Pirates, are you quietly wondering “Hey Clint, wtf is with your bullpen moves dude?” Bet A.J. is.

  173. Reading says:

    STFD Lucroy after you jog half way to first!

  174. T.S. says:

    Picking up Chad Qualls, alone, should be reason enough for firing Huntington. Between his and Clint’s gobbledygookspeak I want to throw up. Now I feel better.

  175. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–despite what you may think, I did not champion putting Qualms in.

  176. T.S. says:

    Or should I say, the Qualls pickup should be the last straw.

  177. Patrick(RI) says:


    But would he have pulled Roy Face? Or Dave Gieusti (sp?)?

  178. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – My response was meant to be taken that, yeah Takahashi might suck but have you seen Qualls, he’s worse.

  179. Parrothead01 says:

    Pirates really are a hard team to be a fan of. But hey, it’s a good thing Huntington was able to sucker the Yankees into taking Nuttings money and Mcgehee for Qualls.

  180. T.S. says:

    I’m often able to walk away after a major loss by the Pens and Steelers (playoff losses included), remembering it’s just a game. But something about this team and the game tonight is actually leaving me feeling nauseous.

  181. Milo Hamilton says:

    Casey McGehee probably won’t make it the rest of the season with the Yankees. They want to activate Brett Gardner to use as a pinch runner & there’s no room on the 40 man. Speculation is McGehee gets DFA’d. So we can get him back & make everyone happy.

  182. P L E E E E E E E E E E Z E tie this game up!!!!

    We can’t lose like dogs to the Brewers again!!

  183. Milo,

    McGeheeheehee won’t be eligible for our Playoff roster, so we don’t need him.

  184. Milo Hamilton says:

    Two more innings out of Wandy sure would have made things easier later on.

  185. Eric Bowser says:

    A bigger choke job, Steelers losing to the Charges in the AFC Championship or the Pirates soon to be failure to finish with 82 or more wins?

  186. T.S. says:

    I would love to be a fly on the wall at Clint Hurdle’s post-game presser. “So Clint, any chance you take even a modicum of responsibility for what happened late in tonight’s game?”

  187. Eric Bowser says:

    HOW the BLANK, are you starting the 9th inning with Leroux… HOW?????????????

  188. T.S. says:

    I’d like to take a big swing at you Sarge!

  189. Reading says:

    Murtaugh, I believe, pinch hit for Face in the 8th in Game 7 of the 60 Series, or pulled him in the top of the 8th- can’t remember.

    He also put Friend in for the 9th but brought Haddix in when the first two Yanks got aboard.

    Guisti, not sure.

  190. Hurdled says:

    Neal Huntington builds great bullpens.

    How come you all keep forgetting that?

  191. Milo Hamilton says:


    Cimoli hit for Face in the 8th & singled.

  192. Eric Bowser says:



  193. Reading says:

    Giusti. My bad.

  194. The Gunner says:

    Huntington sure knows how to build a bullpen.

  195. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    This is the first game in about a week where I got to sit down and watch the entire thing. Now I remember why I ran out of beer.

  196. T.S. says:

    That was all she wrote. Goodnight Irene. The ship has sailed. The fat lady has sung. Turn out the lights, the party’s over. It’s been a slice. Thanks for coming. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  197. Eric Bowser says:

    This is unacceptable.

    Absolutely, positively, without a doubt…..


  198. Reading says:

    Saving The Hammer for extra innings apparently. Don’t want to use all of your weapons at once.

  199. T.S. says:


    What makes you say that? :)

  200. Reading says:

    stfd weeks

  201. aglebagel says:

    How many low-points can one season have?

  202. The Gunner says:

    @ Eric – 198

    Pathetic does not describe what the Bucs are. Nutsack is sharpening his hatchet and heads will roll. However, it’ll be the same circus with a different bunch of clowns.

  203. Hurdled says:

    You want to make a difference?


    If you really believe that all the Pirates Front Office cares about is $$$, then stop giving yours to them.

    Stay away and hit ‘em in the wallet.

  204. The Gunner says:

    Let’s see what the meat of the order can do

  205. Hurdled says:

    You were told that a DYNASTY was being built.

    You were told that payroll would increase when attendance increased.

    You were told that everyone was ALL IN.

    Now you’re being told to wait another year.

    Stop giving this team your hard earned money.

    Make them earn it for once.

  206. Hurdled says:

    No one held a gun to Nutting’s head and told him to buy a “small market” team.

    No one forced him to conduct a baseball operation in a “small market.”

    Other “small market” teams seem to be able to win.

    What makes us so different?

  207. Reading says:

    Everybody Ks on the same pitch.

  208. Eric Bowser says:

    I don’t care what Dejan writes about Nutting’s passion for baseball, his distaste for losing … what I care about are results.

    Baseball is very easy to evaluate… you win, you lose.

    Pirates are now 1 game UNDER .500

  209. T.S. says:

    This is Clint Hurdle’s loss.

  210. I’m not stopping going to the games.

    I’m not stopping listening or watching.

    I may stop hoping.

  211. Hurdled says:

    Steve Blass doesn’t have many years left.

    It would be nice for him to see one more Pirates post-season.


  212. Reading says:

    Davey Jones’ Locker. A new low.

  213. T.S. says:


    As long as Blass isn’t in the booth. He’s awful.

  214. The Gunner says:

    My cable went south on me right before Walker struck out. I know the rest of the sad story.

    Deplorable, deplorable, deplorable.

  215. Arriba Wilver says:

    So, if Wandy would have been left in, and maybe, maybe not, we still get a run there, then we could have won because Hughes would still have been available? Is that the argument? I mean , really, that’s the argument?

  216. Reading says:

    Next loss(es): Lastros (3).

  217. aglebagel says:

    Aaaaand there’s the knockout punch. The streak will enter a THIRD decade. Unreal.

  218. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hurdled. No offense, man, just curiosity, have you posted under other names at the PPG PBC blog or Smizik’s blog?

  219. The Gunner says:

    good night to all of you

  220. JMB says:

    Wow, I checked the scores throughout the day, and I still can’t believe the team lost this one.

    Winning 7-4 in the top of the 8th — and defeated. Yikes.

  221. JD says:

    What a crappy finish.

    Roberto – loved your post (#134). Good stuff! I totally agree.

    Milo – loved the Murtaugh tobacco spit reference. Good recall.

  222. cosmo says:

    Can anyone explain to me why Chad Qualls is still on this team?

  223. Remember Aramis Ramirez as a Pirate? It was obvious he rocked, and had to be liquidated for cash ASAP. Now look at Cutch, 30 HR and contending for the batting average title. Keeping Cutch is an improvement over parting with Aramis in a fire sale. I hate what I am seeing but it’s an improvement.

  224. BFD says:

    Bob Nutting suckered almost 2 million into buying tickets this year and suckered even more into buying into this hope he was selling. Now, he’ll be collecting even more money for doing nothing (via a new MLB tv deal) other than running a AAA caliber squad run on the cheap out in OUR tax payer funded ball park.

    What a bunch of suckers he must think we all are.

  225. Jay Jax Fl via New Castle says:

    Pathetic is right. This is on the players. Epic fail……

  226. JRay3 says:

    Only the Pittsburgh Pirates could find a way to lose this game…I’m not sure there could ever be a tougher to take this season than this one.

    At least when we lost 100 games a year you could except that we stunk, to play like a 100 loss team after being in first place, 16 above .500 is just knife turning.


  227. Let me play devil’s advocate. Nutting put the team on sound enough financial footing that it could sign Cutch. Compare this to the regime that had to trade the player who beat us tonight to make ends meet. Tonight I’m more concerned about the GM’s evaluation of Qualls and Wandy.

  228. Slick says:

    NH owns the crappy trade bringing Qualls here, but CH owns running him out to the mound every chance he gets, especially with expanded rosters… plenty of arms to choose from… let the young guys take their lumps and learn…

    Players AND Staff own the terrible approach at the plate… How many 0-2 counts can one team have in a season? I’d bet the Bucs now own that record… walk up, take a hack, hack… pitches outside of the strike zone… then watch strike 3 (Mr. Presley) or swing at a pitch in the dirt (Kdro, Barajas, etc).

    Base running, well I dont even know if we can call it that anymore… deplorable.

    And then fielding fundamentals. Cutch is great, but he needs to learn to play balls off the wall, make them long singles or double instead of letting them bounce off the wall for doubles and triples.

  229. ron says:

    Clint needs to go. He lost today’s game and about seven others the past six weeks. Neal, please fire Clint!

  230. Huntington’s algorithms do not accurately predict second half pitching.

  231. Clint lines up the deck the GM deals him.

  232. pattonbb says:

    DK – Any chance tomorrow’s column is some light hearted, feel-good reading?

    DK: No. Stay up tonight. Worth it.

  233. Hurdled says:


    Not that I am aware of.

    Do I remind you of someone?

  234. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hurdled–Yeah, a couple. Not that you’re aware of?

  235. Hurdled says:

    Meaning unless I have been sleep-posting as someone else in the past, I’m a new person.

  236. Naje says:

    AW…. nice.

    DK… my brain is racing to figure out your tease about tomorrow’s column…

    A. Rumblings that Huntington will be fired
    B. Big rumblings that Stark will be fired
    C. Bigger rumblings that Huntington, Stark and all assorted assistant GMs will be fired
    D. Ritchie gets let go
    E. Luis Silverio gets walking papers

    Or an assortment of all three. DFA’ing Chad Qualls doesn’t merit much more than a mention in the morning roundup, so I didn’t include that in the list of choices.

    DK: If you were guessing to 250,000, you wouldn’t get this. WAY off beaten path. Just hang on.

  237. madturk says:

    How about the team is for sale?

  238. Arriba Wilver says:

    Mad–you are a cruel, cruel man. :-)

  239. Eric Bowser says:

    According to DK’s twitter post, it isn’t hard news but important, so I have to assume he’s got a few sources telling him something significant is about to happen in the next few weeks.

    I’m on record for awhile now in my believe that Frank Coonelly will resign at the end of the season as he’ll be going back to New York to work for MLB. That has major significance for what happens below him with Neal Huntington, Kyle Stark, Greg Smith, and Clint Hurdle.

    The next Team President will want his people executing the plan, which means good-bye for the others. This is like the situation Craig Patrick was in as the GM of the Penguins after going through years of low budget and getting top picks but only to screw up in free agency during Crosby’s rookie year.

    That failure got Patrick exposed for his horrible draft and development history from 1994-2000. The Penguins hire a quality replacement in Ray Shero and the rest is history.

    The Pirates need to do the same, get a very good Team President, an experienced GM, and really good lieutenants (scouts/ast. GMs) to help execute the plan in draft/development and scouting/decision-making for productive major league talent.

    If Bob Nutting is reading this…. I’m available. LOL
    Dejan, thoughts with you and your family on the loss of your grandmother.

    DK: Thank you, Eric.

  240. Drew71 says:

    How about VERY gory details about the SEALS training and all that went wrong with it?

  241. Drew71 says:


  242. Arriba Wilver says:

    Same here.

  243. Thundercrack says:

    DK went to Florida and participated in the Navy SEAL training.
    He is going to give us a review of the program—firsthand

    He was floundering during the training until Kyle Stark had the Head Navy SEAL tell DK that the enemy had Starbucks coffee held captive and and that it was being tortured.

  244. Thundercrack says:

    Honestly, I may either stay up or be up. When does the column get posted online, midnight?

    But let me say this, if it is one of those columns where you have a conversation with the Pirate Charities Sign or The Jolly Roger….I’m going to very disappointed & ticked off.

  245. RobertoForever says:


    Thanks. Appreciate it. Keep the faith.

  246. Thundercrack says:

    Saw this in Drew Sharp’s latest article —about how the Tigers should keep Leyland.
    This made me laugh
    Leyland told reporters Wednesday night that a statistical analyst told him recently that there was another player in the majors who rated much higher than Miguel Cabrera in the WAR statistic. Leyland asked the analyst if that meant then the Tigers should trade Cabrera for that specific player.

    The guy looked at Leyland as if he were crazy. Why would you trade the best hitter in the game?

    Baseball loves its numbers. You could spin them to make any argument.

  247. RobertoForever says:

    Dejan, reading others post about the loss of your grandmother. Condolences for you and your family.

    DK: I appreciate that, RF.

  248. Hurdled says:

    Very sorry for your loss DK.

    Condolences and prayers for you and your family.

    DK: Thank you.

  249. Drew71 says:

    LA former boss once told me that in order to fix something, you have to blow it up. So if keep the faith is a broad enough thought to accept that, then by all meads keep it.

  250. Thundercrack says:

    The new thread is up

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