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Final: Astros 7, Pirates 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (74-75) vs. Houston Astros (48-102)

Time: 8:05 p.m.

Site: Minute Maid Park, Houston

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Houston RHP Edgar Gonzalez

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Clint Barmes, SS
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Michael McKenry, C
  8. Brock Holt, 2B
  9. Jeff Locke, LHP

UPDATE 4:50 p.m.: Neil Walker was just scratched from the lineup. Holt is in his place, Barmes bumped up to second.


  1. RobertoForever says:

    Thank God the lineup is out. Its been a long day.

  2. Dadicus says:

    Amen, brother.

  3. Hurdled says:

    Batting practice??

    Who needs batting practice??

    Now drop and give me 20, you maggots!!

  4. T.S. says:

    Clint Hurdle/Sgt. Hulka: “So A.J., you want to take a swing at me?”
    A.J./John Winger: “I’d like to take a big swing at you Sarge!”

  5. Dadicus says:

    Hoka Hey! (where’s my wristband?)

  6. Bizrow says:

    Once again, Biz is a day late and a dollar short

    Dejan’s Lunatic Nation – at the Trib,
    Arizona – Tucson, Chandler, Phoenix, Sunnyslope
    Arkansas – Rogers
    Austrailia – Mackay
    California – Bakersfield, San Francisco, UNION CITY, Los Angeles, Newport Beach, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Yuba City, Solana Beach, Yorba Linda
    Canada – Toronto, Winnipeg
    Colorado – Ft Collins, Estes Park, Denver, Boulder
    Connecticut – Cos Cob, Bridgeport, Wallingford
    Costa Rica
    Czech Republic
    Delaware – Newark
    Denmark – Greenland – Thule*
    District of Columbia
    Florida – Palm Harbor, Orlando, Valrico, Gainesville, Daytona Beach, Oviedo, Tampa, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Palm Beach Gardens, Cape Coral, Coco Beach (Major Nelson and Mary Ann), Niceville (Red Neck Rivera)
    Georgia – Marietta, Atlanta, Sandy Springs
    Germany – Leverkusen/Cologne
    Hawaii – Honolulu
    Idaho – Mountain Home, Coer d’Aline
    Indiana – Indianapolis, Burns Harbor, South Bend, Bicknell
    Iowa – Bettendorf, Humboldt
    Illinois – La Salle, Peru, Payson, Chicago, Palatine (3 inmates there), Lincoln Park, Grayslake, Lincoln Park, Algonquin
    Japan – Tokyo
    Kentucky – Louisville, Bowling Green, Lexington
    Louisiana – Slidell
    Maine – Bangor
    Maryland – Arnold, Odenton, Severn, Baltimore, Waldorf
    Massachusetts – Boston
    Michigan – Kalamazoo, Eaton Rapids, Lansing
    Mississippi – Biloxi
    Mountain Home AFB*
    Nebraska – Omaha
    New Hampshire – Barrington
    New Jersey – Chesterfield, Princeton, Roxbury, Lebanon, Lincoln Park, Berkeley Heights, Somerville, Hammock, Barrington
    New York – New York, Smithtown, Manhattan
    North Carolina – Asheville, Hickory, Charlotte, Raleigh, Charleston, Wilmington, Chapel Hill
    North Dakota
    Ohio – Cincinnati, Columbiana, Westerville, Green, Hilliard, Toledo, Louisville, Columbus, Perrysburg, Pickerington, Youngstown, Cleveland, Olmsted Township, Liberty Township, Warren, Oregon, Wintersville, Austintown, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base*
    Pennsylvania – Downtown, Hopewell, Indiana, North Wales, Franklin Park, Forest Hills, Lansdale, Philadelphia, Du Bois, Reading, Crafton, Arnold, Wexford, Mt Lebanon, Canonsburg, Lancaster, Huntington, York, Boiling Springs, Philly suburbs, Morningside, Harrisburg, Lawrenceville, Bradfordwoods, Norristown, Hanover, Clearfield, Sewickley, DuBois, Plum Boro, Slippery Rock, Wilks-Barre, Sharpsville, Bessemer, Greensburg, Washington, Imperial, South Side, Duncansville, Newville, Sheppton, Grove City, Butler, Allentown, Ross Township, Blairsville, Flood City (Johnstown), Overbrook, Danny’s Hoagies, Baldwin, Economy, Sharpsville, Erie, North Huntington, Bellfonte, West Mifflin, Kennywood, Pleasant Hills, Beechview (Mad Turk, No 200), Macgunie, Mechanicsburg, Uptown, Cambria County, Mon Valley, Salisbury
    The Phillipines
    Rhode Island
    South Carolina – Duncan, Longs, Columbia
    South Korea – Seoul, Mike
    Tennessee – Smithville, Nashville
    Texas – Tyler, San Antonio, Belton, Houston
    Utah – Salt Lake City, Provo
    Vermont – North Bennington
    Virginia – JAL, Hampton, Rescue, Richmond, Front Royal, Woodbridge, Suffolk, Warrenton, Springfield, Virginia Beach, Fairfax, Arlington, Yorktown, Henrico, Aldie
    Washington – Seattle, Nine Mile Falls, Spokane, Sammamish
    West Virginia – Martinsburg, Morgantown
    Wisconsin – Madison, Oshkosh, Hortonville

    227 locations represented in the blog,
    One honorable mention member, does anyone remember the name of the Lemonaid guy?
    11 countries
    39 states, plus the District of Columbia
    Two planets, at least confirmed
    Honorable mention, England – London – Lisa
    Asterisks denote confirmed hero’s, military, police officers or firemen/ladies
    9/21/2012 5:00 PM

    Just post where you currently reside and our list will grow


    (I don’t know about you folks, but I want to see the sun rise, ok that is too darn early, in the sky, ok its the Burgh that cloud stuff, so light outside, tomorrow)

    So thanks, but no wristband for me ;-)

  7. Matt says:

    I predict that Gabby has a HUGE night, Locke does ok in a win and…..Alvarez not only doesn’t strike out, but doesn’t even get to 2 strikes once in the game!!!

    Pirates 8
    Astros 4

    Anyone else?

  8. John Lease says:

    I predict no player runs across the field with 5 teammates carrying a telephone pole.

    DK: I’ll take the over.

  9. NMR says:

    @John – That.Was.Awesome.

  10. Matt says:

    I predict that in the next few days they’ll be running Kyle Stark out of town on a pole!

  11. Matt says:

    Correction. On a rail

  12. patrick(RI) says:

    In the context of events, a puny point, but I have long thought, if you are going to play Barmes, bat him 2nd — especially with Hurdle’s bunt mentality.

  13. JuniataKid says:

    Well, quite the firestorm today. Let’s see if tonight’s game gives us any more to work with.

  14. dcpinpgh says:

    Next weekend games, i think we should make some signs




  15. Matt says:

    Dumb question, what is hoka hey?

  16. 19 Years and Counting says:

    My sign would be: HOKA HEY X 20

  17. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Please see the beginning of the Wake-up Call and DK’s column for further details.


    Where have you been all day? Cleaning out Kyle Stark’s desk?

  18. JoeBucco says:

    BTW Dejan… I am working on a site re-construction for you, of the site. Since you know, they think they can just take down a site and it’s gone. Well, they can’t take this one down. ;)

    Here is what I am starting with. Really interesting to read.

  19. dcpinpgh says:

    @ Matt, read DK, story today and follow the link regarding Starks “baseball” email

    HOKA HEY is a battle cry but it is also a Motorcycle Challenge

  20. JoeBucco says:

    All I know is, how do we get a hold of Bernie if we want one of those dog tags?

  21. gonfalon says:

    I wonder why Sanchez is starting and hitting 5th tonight? No disrespect intended, but isn’t he usually only started vs. LHP?

  22. dcpinpgh says:


    if we could, I would give your post a star, flag, plus, or whatever I could.

  23. JoeBucco says:

    Still working on cleaning up that recreation of the Pirates site they took down earlier today.

    For now, it looks best in Firefox if you can use that browser. Will get other pages up as I can recover them.

  24. Matt says:

    Thanks all it was very early when I read DKs column this morning. I will reread it.

  25. Bizrow says:

    Sorry to hear what you went thru personally today Dejan

  26. Matt says:

    DK. My condolensces and prayers go out for you today.

  27. Dadicus says:


    New Philadelphia, Ohio.

    Used to be on the list when DK was at the PG, but I’m just now making the trip over from the dark side.

  28. Arriba Wilver says:

    There’s been a huge influx from the “dark side” the last couple days. What’s up? Or is it just DK love, the place to be?

  29. Arriba Wilver says:

    JB–you the man, brother. I’ll leave it at that.

  30. JoeBucco says:

    Thanks Arriba. Got to run to dinner now, but I’ll try to post more pages and keep cleaning it up a bit later on tonight.

    Just like everything else it seems with this team, their player development website code is a mess. Plus it is always a little harder to clean up from cached remnants out there. But I’ll give it a good cleaning, and most importantly, the text will be archived somewhere so that the Pirates can’t remove it.

  31. Dadicus says:


    Got stuck in a PG+ rut I guess. My brain was numbed by low-value paid content and the snarky comment banter on Smizik’s blog. I forgot you guys were over here. This morning the angels sang, and here I am.

  32. Arriba Wilver says:

    Dadicus–what was your name over there? No need to share if your don’t want to. Just pretend like you don’t remember. :-) Or, say it’s none of my business.

  33. JoeBucco says:

    Answered my own question on how to get one of those dog tags.

    Found this on one of the publicly accessible web pages (normally, I would never post this kind of information – but, it is on a public site I guess)

    Bernie Holliday,, 412-335-2679

    For those that don’t know who Bernie is… he’s the mental conditioning co-ordinator for the Pirates. Yep. They have a mental conditioning co-ordinator.

    Also while digging things up, here is an article from 2010 on the Pirates plans for military mental training that Bernie was promising to bring to the table. Seems like that’s kinda what we’ve been talkng about today. But this is from 2010.

  34. Reading says:

    Fun fact: Crazy Horse failed to put down a bunt in a critical game played in the Dakota Badlands Instructional League and was DFA’d to Single A Little Big Horn.

  35. Chuck H says:

    If we don’t beat the Astros, who in the world can we beat. We couldn’t beat the lowly Cubbies, who, at this point in time, are a much better team than we are. So, if we can’t
    beat the Astros, then they are a much better team than we are. Anyone from the Minor leagues want to play the Pirates? GO, STEELERS!!

  36. JoeBucco says:

    @Reading – that was hilarious

  37. Dave G says:

    Neal Huntington Alters Battle Cry Due to Public Uproar Over Stark E-Mail

    Neal Hungtington responded today regarding the Kyle Stark communication:
    “Hoka-Hey, the battle cry for ‘It’s a good day to die,’ is very inappropriate for the persona we are trying to develop with our minor and major league systems.”

    Huntington was responding to fan criticism that if ever it truly were a good day to die, then the Pirates have died a hundred deaths since the beginning of August.

    (All-in, indeed.)

    Huntington offered a more appropriate battle cry for his weary warriors: “HIDEY-HO!”

    When he was asked to provide a perfect scenario, Huntington replied: “Just picture Rod Barajas circling the bases and belly-flopping into home plate. What could be possibly be more appropriate than yelling ‘HIDEY-HO!’ ?”

    We asked fans in the bleachers how they felt about the new slogan. Cindy Crosby, of Upper Lower Wexford, replied “WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”

    Yuri Gregious, of Sewickley, added “That’s wicked-crazy! Sounds like Huntington is just being a Stark-raving lunatic.”


  38. RobertoForever says:


    Funeral of my own to attend today. Good friend’s mom.

    Don’t think there will be any firings this weekend. Nutting is asking his questions. Changes, if any will be made the week after the season ends.

  39. JoeBucco says:

    Holy cow, I can’t make this up…

    From that article I mentioned:

    Q: “Given your background in the military, what are some of the ways you can make guys mentally tough?”

    Bernie Holliday: “I’m not a therapist, not a psychologist, not a psychiatrist and not a trained medical specialist. I don’t have a license to do that.”

    So the Pirates hired a mental conditioning co-ordinator who is not a therapist, psychologist, or a trained medical specialist.

    Why does that not surprise me?

  40. RobertoForever says:

    Just noticed that Neil Walker was scratched and Barmes was moved up to the 2 spot. I like that spot for Clint. Pirate 2-1 with him batting in that spot.


    You asked for a prediction. Pirates win 6-4. Hanrahan with the save.

  41. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Sorry to hear that Roberto. No offense meant. I know you can’t clean out Stark’s desk. I do think some changes are in order, but what do I know?

  42. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Chuck H,

    I agree with what you said about the Cubs. They killed us last year after the ASB, too. They looked like a better team than us, winning 5 of 6 the last 2 weeks. They have no incentive but to audition for next year. They may be loose, but we still should have stepped up. Even Hurdle said that on MLB. As far as the Astros, they aren’t better. We just have to play like we are capable of and close out this thing over .500. (Yes, I still hold out that hope).

  43. Dadicus says:


    Embarrassed to say my wife has the PG account (she joined for Ed and Gerry’s stuff on the Steelers. She doesn’t suffer the Pirates to the same degree I do). I was too cheap to get my own account (not worth the cost of two) so I used hers. I rarely posted, lest she get a reputation as a cranky old Bucs fan with fading memories and a bad attitude.

  44. Matt says:


    Sorry for your loss.

  45. Arriba Wilver says:

    Since August 1:

    Pirates 15-31

    Astros 13-32

    Joe Friday

    (Joe didn’t check to see if the Astros had an easier schedule)

  46. Eric Bowser says:

    If Bob Nutting cares about his business, he will fire Coonelly, Huntington, Smith and Stark while giving the next men in charge their option to retain Hurdle or fire him.

    I blame Hurdle for other teams stealing bases, his handling of the bullpen in the second half, playing Barajas so often, and not being able to stop this collapse.

  47. Arriba Wilver says:


  48. Reading says:

    @Joe Bucco


  49. MrB says:

    Word has it the Hell’s Angels are furious at being associated with a 20 year losing ballclub that chokes in the clutch. The other gangs are now referring to them as the laughingstock of motorcycle clubs everywhere.

    In response, the Angels are mounting up to pay Mr. Stark and his puppet master boss a visit and provide “personalized” instruction. Something along the lines of “batting practice” Hell’s Angels style.

    Oh DK, while in Oakland this weekend do keep your ears attuned for the sound of roaring choppers. The Angels aren’t fans of bad pub, especially when they’re not the direct cause.

    Hoka Hey!

  50. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I believe you’re right. I just hope Hurdle makes the cut. A nice vacation and re-vitalization for him would do him wonders. At the beginning of the season, I thought it was Pedro who needed mental counseling. Now, I think it’s Clint. He has to be somewhat delusional to put Qualls in any game that has meaning, then leave him in for several hitters.

  51. Bizrow says:

    Welcome Dadicus

    Many years ago, I spent most of a week there.

    I hated being away from home, but there was this wonderful golf course

    @AW, the force of Dejan is strong ;-)

  52. RobertoForever says:


    Thanks for the thoughts for my friend. Makes me worry about losing my 81-yo Dad. The day is coming.

    Here’s hoping the major leaguers can take out their frustrations on the Astros and raise the hopes of the faithful

  53. Bizrow says:

    We are at 228

    Mostly probably because I miss posts

  54. Eric Bowser says:

    I cannot believe it is 7:00 pm and no one has been fired yet.

  55. Bizrow says:

    @54 – Hopefully Nuttin is counting nickles in the bunker

    Seriously, we put up with this for another year?

    I have a 20 game plan, so I communicate with the folks that work on Federal St

    Val is the best, she was excited

    We fans freak out, rallying the troops that get e-mails, phone calls, thats something internal the PBC has to deal with.

    Nuttin, much as I dislike the way the PBC has gone, is a businessman, due dilligence he knows

    The test for Nutting right now is if some heads roll

    Us PBC fans, we’ll be back as long as we breathe

  56. scapper says:

    SEALS/Boy Scouts/Hell’s Angels story just keeps getting weirder. Just read that Pirate prospects will provide security for next Stones concert.

  57. tdb1977 says:

    REALLY!!??!! Taillon injured his knee in one of these Navy Seal type trains??!!!???!!! Are they trying to run the kid by breaking him down completely before he pitches a day in the majors? This is according to two sources in a article. 5th paragraph down.—hells-angels—–navy-seals–minor-league-training-methods-become-mlb-joke–.html

    Huntington, Stark, and anyone and everyone else involved with this training program needs to go TONIGHT! Good bye! Don’t let the door hit yeah in the @$$ on your way out!

  58. Hurdled says:



  59. Hurdled says:

    When they take the field tonight will they trot out or goose-step?

  60. The Gunner says:

    @ Lucky – 50

    Lucky old buddy, I too hope Clint H. makes the cut. He is probably the best pure baseball guy we have at this point and he is a good fit for Pittsburgh, in general. Yes indeed, he does make some questionable moves but, all managers do that. He doesn’t have exactly the best material in the world to work with either.

    Let’s hope Mr. Nutcase whacks drunkard Frank, Wacko Kyle, and Brainac Opie Neal.

  61. Eric Bowser says:

    I posted this in the Wake Up Call thread and selfishly, I want it here too.

    Employees of the Pirates being told to get on the internet and discredit, criticize, and antagonize the source of their frustration is nothing new.

    When I created the ‘Cam Must Go!’ website advocating the firing of Cam Bonifay, the Pirates sent their minions to go to some losers like John Mehno and try to refute the information that I had on that the site.

    The site caught on like wild fire and got play in USA Today, ESPN’s Baseball Tonight, and numerous other media outlets (tv, radio and newspapers).

    I hit a nerve when I created the “Ownership Must Go!” website because according to a former team employee, who called me, Kevin McClatchy went off his rocker in the office one morning when he was told of the site. McClatchy told said employee, “get his phone number and tell him I want to talk with him”. When I learned of this, I told the employee, “I have no interest discussing this over the phone, if he wants to talk, then let’s discuss this in person.”

    McClatchy refused to the one-on-one meeting in his office at PNC Park.

    The Pirates then tried to send out their minions… it didn’t work.

    Fast forward to today, it sure sounds like McClatchy left his “how to screw up” handbook for Bob Nutting.

    They all need to go!

    DK: The team employee on the other thread — who surely won’t be coming around anymore — was further exposed as lying by James Santelli’s comments down near the bottom. Guy claimed to be a buddy of Santelli’s.

    How sad.

    If they really have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of, why all the sneakiness and subterfuge?

    Stand up and speak, already.

  62. Chico says:

    Hurdle is a good rah-rah guy, but has been a terrible on the field manager. He goes with his gut over his brain. In the first half, that worked out. But in the second.. not so much. He needs to be gone, or we could face situations like Barajas getting 80% of the starts next year. Plus, I think the players could use some fresh energy. What would next year’s motto be with Hurdle? FINISH… for real this time?

  63. Eric Bowser says:

    @Chico – Barajas has a team option for 2013 without a buyout. If Huntington is here and picks up that option, that tells me all that I need to know about this organization’s ability to build a baseball team. This team can’t go into 2013 with Barajas on the roster or McKenry getting more than 50 starts. The problem for 2013, where is that starting catcher going to come from as it won’t be internally with Tony Sanchez struggling to hit the ball.

  64. Dave G says:

    On a serious note, I’ve put my Pirates gear away for the winter.

    Normally, I wear it proud here near Cincinnati, but the events of these past few days have rendered wearing Pirate threads a complete and utter embarrassment.

    While I can handle being ridiculed for losing, I refuse to sacrifice myself to the type of ridicule that the front office has now unleashed upon Pirate Nation.

    Let the heads roll, Mr. Nutting.

    Do it now.

  65. Matt says:

    I might have been the only Pirate fan hoping we would stand pat at the trade deadline. With no disrespect to the players obtained, there was a chemistry that was lost. I loved the attitude Brad Lincoln had (remember “the staredown)? I thought Drew Sutton was clutch. I would like to see Hurdle given another year with different management. Just my opinion.

  66. Eric Bowser says:

    Want to be on the leading edge of development?!!!!!

    Why not hire a firm like Gallup to conduct a confidential survey of your employees at every level of the organization from management, coaches, scouts, players and other team employees. Find out, what do they like, what do they dislike… get the survey results and develop an action plan to address the issues reported by the PEOPLE who make your business run and strengthen the positive.

    Do you think there’s ONE player, ONE coach, ONE scout, ONE employee who thinks the way this organization treats their employees is healthy and an environment that develops leaders.

    Management is a simple job, you run the business, you manage the expenses, you create ways to grow revenue, and most of all, you work WITH your staff to make it happen.

    This franchise is so disconnected with reality it is a joke. If I had a direct report who wrote and executed a plan such as Kyle Stark, he wouldn’t be working for me.

  67. Matt says:

    Cardinals lose, phillies, brewers, and the dodgers have difficult series. Let’s win tonight and see what happens tomorrow! (Go ahead and laugh, but it hurts to give up after 19 years). Someone please agree with me even if I am delusionally optimistic.

  68. Eric Bowser says:

    @Matt – LOL….hahahahahaha…. can’t blame you, better to hope than deal with the utter embarrassment that is our player development.

  69. Patrick(RI) says:

    Is it possible “Hoka Hey” was Crazy Horse’s way of saying “Finish!”? It worked for him, but I understand Custer was playing a lot of rookies.

  70. Mike Shigley says:

    Why not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Clint Hurdle did it once before — ran the table at the end of the year.

    It would certainly lighten the mood around here.

  71. @Hurdled #3 is a hilarious tonic after ruminating on the day’s news.

    Meanwhile, hopefully the Pirates starting with two line drive outs which found fielders bodes ill for Edgar Gonzalez. Go Bucs!

  72. Dave G says:

    And still I watch.

    I support the city and all of its sports teams. And I will watch the Pirates games faithfully til the end of the season because I support the McCutchens, the Walkers, and the Burnetts in this organization.

    Nutting has to move quickly and show them that he is acting in the best interest of all of the hundreds of players in this organization or he loses all credibility.

  73. Reading says:

    Hoka Hey, I believe, was what Crazy Horse’s player development director yelled to him after Crazy Horse failed to run out an infield fly.

  74. Matt says:

    @Dave G

    Well said.

  75. BFD says:

    Tremendous stuff coming from the regime over the past few days. One couldn’t even begin to make this stuff up. And to top it off, DK confirms that at least one IP address defending the incompetence of these buffoons is from the offices on federal street, as some of us diehard anti’s have always noted. many mocked “us” for these claims. I would like to thank you Dejan for confirming what I already believed.

    BTW. not sure if anyone noticed, but the regime is getting national attention for this debacle. Hopefully some of these national articles will list the all of the buffoonary from Facebook firings to bar owner bullying.

  76. Dave G says:

    You know, I used to chuckle when the BMTIB was referred to as a ‘regime.’

    But, given the events of these past few days, I can’t find a better word to describe them.

  77. By the way, as a bit of a specialist in Native American history I believe Crazy Horse may have meant “Hoka Hey” to signify “You call these Nachos?!”

    I am not impressed by Locke.

    When the Pirates intended starters go down to injury and fatigue, the team as presently built fails.

  78. Eric Bowser says:

    meh……………… 3-run HR by Jed Lowrie against Jeff Locke

    Astros 3
    Pirates 0

    game over

  79. The Gunner says:

    Another uphill battle ahead tonight – they are down 3 zip already. That is, of course, unless the offense decides to wake up.

  80. Reading says:

    Nothing a few trips in the Dilbert Dunker won’t solve.

  81. Matt says:

    So long for our wishful thinking Eric!

  82. Reading says:

    New players also being suited up for armor for inaugural Jousting Gauntlet to be held in Bradenton.

  83. Eric Bowser says:

    @Matt – It just wasn’t meant to be for us fans to never see that 20 hanging around their necks. Frustrating as #@!!

  84. Hurdled says:

    Let’s not forget, Jeff Locke was part of the impressive haul Colonel Huntington got for Nate McLouth.

    Who is the best of the bunch?

    Morton, Locke or Gorkys Hernandez?

    Tough, tough call.

  85. Can we request that the game be cancelled, and instead of baseball, have each team’s rookies compete in running a Navy boot camp obstacle course?

    I’m surprised at Nutting’s timidity, that nothing dramatic has happened yet, aside from the collapse of his major league baseball franchise.

  86. Matt says:

    The last two years I have felt like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football and having it jerked away at the last minute!!!! Arggghhhhhh

  87. Sub .500 here we come, like a well-aimed dart.

  88. Reading says:

    Tonight the BMTIB is pleased to announce the signing of Prussian General Friedrich Von Steuben as head of draftee indoctrination. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

  89. Dave G says:

    Meeting at the mound is over Gonzalez pitching with a blister on his foot.

  90. Drew71 says:

    Roberto – my sympathies.

  91. Dave G says:

    They took him out of the game.

  92. Matt says:

    He was intimidated by our lineup!

  93. Reading says:

    TBMTIB also announces a new “Shot Putting with Hippies” event to mark the end of Spring Training.

  94. RobertoForever says:


    I am still optomistic. Even with Locke giving up a 3-run HR, I still the think the Pirates have a chance tonight.

  95. Typical. Bases loaded with TWO OUT, and the Pitcher is up. Come on Locke show us that power bat you hopefully poses!

  96. Hurdled says:

    Let’s compare the Special Assistant to the GM’s of the Pirates and the Astros.

    Jim Benedict
    Marc DelPiano
    David Jauss
    Jax Robertson
    Doug Strange

    Jeff Bagwell
    Craig Biggio
    Enos Cabell
    Matt Galante
    Jose Cruz
    Julio Linares

    Seems a wee bit lopsided to me.

    Wonder who has a winning season first?

  97. Matt says:


    No doubt we have a chance, but i’ve seen too much of this lately. Pavlov’s theory holds true in baseball too.

  98. Hurdled says:

    Roberto, they could be down 30-0 and you’d still think they have a chance.

  99. The Gunner says:

    Let’s strand 3 more base runners. The uphill battle becomes more challenging.

  100. Matt says:

    Easy hurdled, we’re all Pirates’ fans and we have a right to dream don’t we?

  101. Hurdled says:

    Yes, we can all DREAM LIKE A HIPPIE!!!

  102. RobertoForever says:


    They could be up 30-0 and you would think they had no chance.

  103. F-U-N-D-A-M-E-N-T-A-L-S L-A-C-K-I-N-G!!

  104. Chuck H says:

    Just saw the futile attempt at bunting by Barmes. Can you believe a position player that cannot bunt. And then Marte strolled down to second trying to steal a base. And to top it all off, McCutchen stood looking at two pitches right down the middle to strikeout. This team is either snakebit or just the worst team ever.GO STEELERS!!

  105. Hurdled says:

    How many were they up by in Chicago last week?

    How many were they up by to Milwaukee yesterday?

  106. Leefoo says:

    For those who seem to think the Astros will be easy pickings, they just rolled over Phil 3 outta 4.
    Not to be too pessimistic, but we could easily get swept!


    BFD….I know you’re a bad speller, but you should probably learn how to spell Mr K’s first name! I know it is a ‘little’ tougher than ‘Bob’, but, I have faith in you!



  107. Dadicus says:

    Apparently none of the Bucs are wearing their “Hoka Hey” wristbands tonight…

  108. Jose Lind's Pants says:

    Move the team.

  109. Matt (cambria co.) says:

    I’m trying to follow the game but just discovered the Hell’s Angel’s news (mouth agape reading the email). On second thought, management bs is not that suprising.

    One fair question: Is Kyle Stark responsible for the military style team building exercise? Do they ever do anything like a suprise day off spring training for something fun (movie, amusement park, race driving school)?

    There’s plenty of scrutiny about baseball fundamentals. The team’s diet/nutrition should be also.

    Thanks AB (in the email thread) and others for the comic relief. Billy Madison references always work ^.^

    DK: Stark is responsible, with Huntington’s approval.

  110. Matt (cambria co.) says:

    Okay it was 2 questions. Sorry

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–practice what you preach, my friend.

    And still waiting on the Neal defense. If he doesn’t fire them he should be fired doesn’t really do it for me.

  112. Kevin says:

    I have stayed silent long enough. I have been with this team since birth (1970). I was in college the last time the Pirates were in the NLCS. I moved to North Carolina in 1993 and have followed this team religiously since. I have gotten comments on my Pirate hat that I wear every day for as long as I can remember – both good and bad.

    I don’t have ROOT sports now so I follow the play by play on my computer and listen to people on this blog religiously to follow the team that I love with all of my heart. And I promise all of you that I will NEVER give up on this team and I will be the first one in Pittsburgh when this team wins.

    But I have to say that I am embarrassed (again) to be a Pirate fan. The hat will NOT come off, but I will AGREE with the general population that this team is a disgrace. The management is a disgrace, the coaching is a disgrace, the scouts are a disgrace and most importantly the front office is a disgrace.

    I have stayed quiet, but I cannot stay quiet any longer. This is from a die hard, live black and gold, fan. Navy SEALs??? Are you kidding me??

    I will NEVER, EVER give up on this team and I say that TWICE because it’s true. But I have to agree with DK that this season has been the worst of ALL TWENTY of losing seasons. I have a son who had bought into the Pirates this season and even he has begun to lose faith in this organization.

    I will NEVER give up, but it certainly appears that I have to wait ’til next year to have hope again.

    Here’s to 2013.

  113. Eric Bowser says:

    If Coonelly or Nutting fire Huntington, who are your top candidates to replace him?

  114. Leefoo says:

    AW…practice what I preach?

    Don’t get the comment.


  115. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–someone with experience as a GM of an MLB baseball team. This can be done right.

  116. Eric Bowser says:

    horrible at-bat by Alvarez, not a single strike. 3 pitches… weak

  117. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo-#162, last thread.

  118. Reading says:

    Three straight swings and misses. Can’t even make contact.

  119. JoeBucco says:

    Looking into this thing more, it sure seems that the mastermind behind all of this SEALS stuff, and the insanity written on the blog, and the nonsense that has humiliated our city and our team belongs more to this Bernie Holliday guy. Seems he was the one that wrote all of that stuff and has been the military drill guy.

    And considering he’s the mental conditioning co-ordinator role for a team that has absolutely flopped two years in a row, my guess is it will be plenty of weekend’s at Bernie’s once he is the first one canned in this whole mess.

    Not excusing Kyle Stark or Neal Huntington, as the buck needs to stop there. When you allow someone to make a mockery of your organization, and you have power over that person, you are as guilty as they.

  120. Leefoo says:

    AW..Oh god, you ‘re right…its the Jersey Joe virus I have.
    Mum’s the word, good buddy.

    Well, I see Petey k’d with the bases loaded…Wendy’s calling me to bed…unfortunately, just to sleep!


  121. Three pitches low and outside and Pedro bites – and I do mean BITES – on all three for strikes and Ks swinging. IMPATIENT!! These guys are constantly trying to hit homeruns. I know there are bases loaded, but a single at least gets things started and with Cutch on second there is at least two runs that should score on a single. Two times now with bases juiced with two out, and nothing to show for it. The Astros clearly baited Pedro into doing what they wanted.

  122. Hurdled says:

    Hell’s Angels don’t believe in waiting to swing at strikes.

    Hell’s Angels swing with reckless abandon at everything.

  123. Eric Bowser says:

    J-Mac is a mental mess.

    He can’t focus as a major league player, that’s pathetic.

  124. Dave G says:

    JMac is a train wreck right now. Wow.

  125. I’m done tonight on this. Sorry doesn’t even begin to describe this crap.

  126. The Gunner says:

    How stupid is it for Clint to put this JMac mess in?

  127. Reading says:

    Sorry, but the Pirates are simply not playing with enough swagger and reckless abandon.

  128. The Gunner says:

    JMac needs to be shut down for 2012 / Clint is waving the white flag tonight

  129. Reading says:

    On the bright side, the Pirates are celebrating aggressive failure.

  130. Hurdled says:

    Eric Bowser needs to stop using the word PATHETIC.

    I enjoy most of your posts and admire your tenacity, but you need a new adjective.

  131. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think the whole organization is in disarray at this point, from the FO on down. It’s sad. If Jon Stewart were reporting on it, it would contain the word “Clusterf$@#.”. Pick your poison on the cause or causes, but it’s a real mess.

  132. Eric Bowser says:

    @Hurdled – What, you want me to put more effort into this than it deserves? lol

  133. diehard says:

    Steve J Smith #103 – I misread your hyphens. Thought it said “fundamental slacking.” Or does it?

  134. Reading says:

    Clearly, the Pirates are not trusting their preparation tonight.

  135. cobra39 says:

    I wanted to check the Bucco score, out of morbid curiosity more than anything, and I see that they’re getting shut out by the lowly Astros. Way to give up on the season, guys. And by that, I mean everyone associated with this putrid team and its 2nd straight monumental collapse down the stretch.

    The BMTIB preaches accountability so heads better roll after this debacle. Huntington, you’ve had your 5 year plan; it’s failed. Gone. Coonelly, gone. And by god, if they could just institute the “best interest of baseball clause” to this situation, Nutting would be forced to sell the team. Instead, we have this to look forward to as far as the eye can see.

  136. T.S. says:

    The Pirates are a shell of a team. Unrecognizable from the roster that was kicking ass in June and July.

  137. What Happened? says:

    J-Mac is the new Ian Snell…flashes of great physical talent but mentally a mess. And Pedro showed ZERO baseball IQ in his bases loaded 3 pitch whiff against a pitcher with control problems. Total system failure (new low today for front office and player-dev) and these players are not ready for the big stage of “important games” in Sept.

  138. Reading says:

    We need more details from Bernie and LB now! Only 9 outs left.

  139. Doc says:

    @ biz row,

    Add Bethlehem , PA.

    And when watching this game, I didn’t think that the worst team in baseball would NOT be the one with less than 50 wins

  140. Reading says:

    Somebody find the sheet containing the “Three Golden Rules” that Gold Medal winners live by, ASAP!

  141. Reading says:

    Apparently, the Astros have taken the hippie philosophy to heart.

  142. Drew71 says:

    good game

  143. @diehard, once I posted it, it did look like the s was on the other word. Should have put more space between them. Either way it is valid. This team has sucked for the last 6-7 weeks in all sorts of basic Little League fundamentals.

  144. The Gunner says:

    Far fetched as it sounds, this is looking like a mutiny (by the players, manager, and coaching staff) to me.

    Tell me I am hallucinating.

  145. Arriba Wilver says:

    Gunner–not me . . . not me. Cluster&@$

  146. Hurdled says:


    That made me chuckle.

    Well said.

    I just think you can more eloquently describe the PATHETIC effort with a new adjective.

    I believe in you.

  147. diehard says:

    @Steve – I’ll give you credit for a double meaning typographical optical illusion.

  148. Eric Bowser says:


    These Pirates are wretched.

  149. Matt says:

    They are wretchedly pathetic!

  150. Hurdled says:

    Eric Bowser

    WRETCHED is a great word.

    Again, well done!

  151. Hurdled says:

    Jones still cares.

    He’s put together a very nice year.

    Will they pay him Barmes type money to stay?

  152. Eric Bowser says:

    @Hurdled –

    Only if our blog leader could write as well as me, he wouldn’t get so many hateful comments from the Pirates. (/sarcasm)……

    ….had to laugh today, I saw someone, can’t remember if it was here on the blog (one of the threads) or Twitter, saying DK wasn’t a news reporter. Riiiiight, he’s a columnist providing his opinion loaded with newsworthy information. Gotta love the Pirates.

  153. Matt says:

    @Gunner #144

    I have been wondering about that myself. This is unbelievable!

  154. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–that was here, on the e-mail thread. Said he was a journalism student, but also followed on Twitter.

  155. Jandy says:

    Foo #120, you take Wendy to Broadway and you get called to bed…to sleep???
    Wow, pathetic ;)

  156. Jandy says:

    Drew, #142….yup, for the Colts.

    Matt, cambria county? blair county here

  157. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – hahahaha, a journalism student… ouch, LOL.. might want to ask for a refund on that education.

  158. Matt (cambria co.) says:

    #144 & #153, agree. Example, Qualls yesterday.

  159. bpn8pitt says:

    Is the size of the Pirates scouting department comparable to most MLB teams? Is it modeled after the Indians? Someone else? Ive always criticized this team’s player development but never really dug deep into the how or why. Thanks DK. Looking forward to learning more. One of the things that really concerns me is the divide that is obviously present in the organization. That is grounds for change by itself.

  160. Matt says:


    Wendy must have the radio on the pirates game-probably already asleep herself.

  161. Jandy says:

    Matt, somehow I don’t think Wendy would be interested lol

  162. Jandy says:

    Correia to pitch tomorrow

  163. Hurdled says:


    Yes that was JB.

    Or as I call him Pinocchio.

    One day he will be a “real reporter.”

  164. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–nah, just hadn’t had the course yet on the difference between “reporter” and “columnist.”. And apparently on the inadvisability of using the word s$@t numerous times when you’re trying to dress someone down on a public newspaper site.

  165. Matt says:

    Ha, Bob Walk just stated that it would almost take a miracle for the Pirates to now make the last wc spot. ALMOST!!! This is a miracle that Moses would be proud of!!!!

  166. Matt (cambria co.) says:

    Hello Jandy. Nice to know I’m not the only one from the area here.

  167. Jandy says:

    I think I’m going to call it a night. To sleep, perchance to dream…of firings and other wretchedly pathetic things….good night all :)

  168. Jandy says:

    Matt, glad I caught that last comment. I was in Cambria county Wednesday…Johnstown to be precise. Family there. Great to meet you too :)

  169. Hurdled says:

    What would Branch Rickey think about SEALS training a baseball team?

    What would Branch Rickey think about a baseball team playing like Hell’s Angels?

  170. Eric Bowser says:

    @Hurdled – And that’s why I’m not real big on the whole college education is equal to being a professional. Too many kids think they deserve praise for a worthless piece of paper. Journalism is about reporting the facts and what separates Dejan from just about every single columnist in this city, he still mixes in hard news into his column.

  171. Eric Bowser says:

    These wretched Pirates are quitters…

  172. Reading says:

    Sometimes you wonder how Pedro ever hits a home run.

  173. Arriba Wilver says:

    Eric–get a thesaurus. :-)

  174. Hurdled says:

    “The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants.”
    – Theodore Roosevelt

  175. Matt says:

    I do like how Holt isn’t afraid to hit behind in the count!

  176. Matt says:

    Even if he does hit into a double play! Goodnight all.

  177. Eric Bowser says:

    @Arriba – LOL

    What an epic season as the Pirates insufferable finish will go down as one of the worst performances of any Pittsburgh professional sports team. This pathetic group of wretched Pirates has been highlighted by the best management team in baseball.

    In the next two weeks, fans in Pittsburgh will see their baseball club clinch its 20th losing season in a row, the worst losing streak of any major professional sports team in history.

    20 years…

  178. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Though it sickens me to see the Pirates with this (soon to be) 20 year old record….I will say it belongs right in the lap of the Nutting Regime.
    It starts at the very top…..And trickles down.
    Bob Nutting might say one thing….But his actions are what’s loud and clear.

  179. JRay3 says:

    Wow just get home after spending the evening with the family and turn on Baseball Tonight to the wretched highlights of getting pounded by the 40 win Astros and the talking heads telling me what I have known for weeks this team is done.

    7-1 Astros, who are we kidding…4-15 September and the mantra was “FINISH” should have been “QUIT” because that is what this team has done.

  180. Eric Bowser says:

    For the first time in twenty years, Pirates baseball began to get national attention and more importantly, respect. The positive reviews towards the return of quality baseball lasted until August 1st, where some of their own players started to doubt themselves because management didn’t invest, didn’t go all in, didn’t believe and didn’t finish the job to put the major league club in a position to succeed over the final two months of the season.

    The negative reaction by some that the best the team could do to improve the 25-man roster was trade one of their best relievers in Brad Lincoln for outfielder Travis Snider. A player that had issues staying healthy, played in the minors, and lacked power to boost the team’s production was saying, “we’re more interested in control than high risk, high reward to win now.”

    Moving Gorkys Hernandez for Gabby Sanchez made sense as it was an attempt to improve the bench strength but that was offset by the insane decision to deal infielder Casey McGehee and cash to the Yankees for reliever Chad Qualls, a pitcher who was released by the Phillies and was reported to be on the brink of another pink slip in New York.

    What General Manager Neal Huntington did was remove a valuable bench player and team leader off the roster for a pitcher who couldn’t get anyone out in either league. He weakened the bench and made the bullpen worse.

    The lone positive for Huntington during the trade deadline season was his decision to trade Rudy Owens, Robbie Grossman, and Colton Cain for Wandy Rodriguez. It was a deal for the here and now that addressed a hole in the rotation and a lesson learned from last season when the rotation wore down and faltered.

    This solitary success is outweighed by the mess that was the deadline but even worse was the offseason moves to sign Erik Bedard, Clint Barmes, Rod Barajas, and Nate McLouth for over $15 million.

    And now, we’re talking about prospects being herded together and pushed to the brink by Navy Seals demanding them to exhaustion, all in the name of team building and making them men.

    There’s very little that I can add that hasn’t already been written regarding the deplorable decisions by this management team to risk the health of their prospects to satisfy the ego of a man humming military jargon that insults the men and women who have trained and fought for this country.

    Where I want to take this crazy horse trail (see what I did there?) is ask you this, if 2012 wasn’t the year to go all-in and finish the job, then what year is it? You are 16 games over .500 and within reach of your first potential playoff berth in twenty years.
    Instead, the management team failed, the scouts failed, the minor league development personnel failed, the major league coaches failed, and the major league players failed.

    Since 2012 is now not the year, not the time to go all-in, to finish the job… or whatever cute cliché Clint Hurdle and the Pirates will inundate this fan base with, then when is it?

    Look at this roster, does anyone really think the 40-man roster is capable of catching the wave of positivity and win baseball games at a clip this franchise hasn’t done in twenty years.


    The franchise needs to find a starting catcher, another starting pitcher, two quality relievers, two or three bench players, and seriously contemplate a replacement for Clint Barmes at shortstop.

    How many teams go into an offseason with that kind of desperate need for an upgrade and think they have any chance of winning and playing into October?
    The teams that think like that, they have the ownership means to go deep down into their pockets to spend the funds to sign the talent needed to compete at the highest levels of the sport.

    That isn’t an option in Pittsburgh, not with an owner who doesn’t have the ultimate disgust to lose but worse than that, an owner that doesn’t realize the sporting world mocks their franchise. Who with any competitive fire and self-respect wants to have their name attached to jokes by comedians with a national audience?

    When you remove any possibility of impact promotions in 2013, outside of maybe pitchers Gerrit Cole and Jameson Taillon, with the reality of little money if any to spend, the respect that some players started to think was coming back is gone.
    No one will want to consider the Pirates under their current management regime if they value Navy Seals training over baseball instruction. No one will want to take a signing bonus if it means risking their career lugging a telephone pole on a beach.
    Remember all of this, when 2013 offseason begins and the Pirates are standing at the altar with their pockets hanging out and all the impact talent has been signed in free agency or traded to other teams.

    Expectations are not reality for 2013, they are not going to win, and they are not going to play into October.

    2013 will be a repeat of the last twenty years because when the time came to change the course of history and do something about it, these wretched Pirates sank their own ship.

  181. Ed says:

    Hello Dejan,

    First of all, sorry for your loss, just found out about it because I’m not a regular on Twitter.

    As far as the Pirates and the Kyle Stark fallout, I just hope they don’t resort to sending threatening mail to your bosses. It’s been done with Mr. Smizik in the past.

    The people who run the paid site over there have not made one mention of Stark, as far as I’m aware. I appreciate you bringing all of this to light. Unfortunately for me, all this has done is strengthen my resolve to end my long relationship with the Pirates after the season.

    Perhaps if some wholesale changes are made, I may have a change of heart. From what I have read on here in recent days, I have a feeling it will just be business as usual.

    DK: That’s not a concern whether it happens or not, Ed. And it won’t.

  182. Leefoo says:

    Expected IMpact players for 2013

    Starling Marte, OF
    2013 ZiPS Projection: .272/.319/.441, 16 HR, 22 SB, 2.2 WAR

    Marte has perhaps the easiest route to a guaranteed job of anyone on the list, as he already has one. Marte was probably overrated as a prospect a couple of years ago, but as newer-fangled prospects have made their names, Marte’s been pushed into the background a little. ZiPS comes out with lots of solid names with roughly similar profiles to Marte, such as Adam Jones, Rondell White, Roberto Kelly, and Reggie Sanders. Even a lot of the more disappointing comps — such as Juan Encarnacion — were legitimate major leaguers for awhile.


  183. Leefoo says:

    Why Neal Huntington should be retained

    Off to New York City….see you Sunday.



  184. Drew71 says:

    Foo For The City

  185. BFD says:

    t will be very interesting to see how Nutting handles this fiasco.
    Someone will be the sacrificial lamb so business as ususal can continue, but someone will be sacrificed.
    If the events of the past week had not became public news, i do not believe anything would have happened except a good dose of PR propaganda.

    You know Nutting doesn’t want to pay NEal next year for not working, plus a new GM, especially when Neal is working Nuttings Profit plan to perfection.

    Frank has been quiet lately, but is sure to chime in soon about the Stark gibberish, which could make for some very entertaining blog talk.

    This has turned into the train wreck that you simply can not look away from.

    I think the pros and antis have finally found common ground.

  186. JaxBuc says:

    To focus on actual baseball for just a second. It’s amazingly disheartening that the un-acheivable goal has become win number 75.

  187. Milo Hamilton says:

    We deserve better.

  188. popsfan says:

    Anyone know what the over/under on pirate wins for the rest of the season is? 12 games left. 8 – 4 seems like something to bet against, as does 0 – 12. I’d go 3 and take the over. So sad.

  189. John Lease says:

    The apologists are out in force this morning. Makes me sick. I want the Pirates to focus on BASEBALL. How about doing that? Quit thinking you are smarter than everyone else, and do what works.

    Is that so much to ask?

  190. Eric Bowser says:

    The Pirates need a bonafide leadoff hitter, someone who can get on base, steal a base, and runs the bases well (first to third, 2nd to home). I am not sure the team should enter 2013 with Starling Marte in the leadoff spot, his project .319 OBP might be better than Tabata and Presley but that’s taking a typical Pirates approach to comparing previous bad talent to what should be expectations.

    Looking at the 2013 free agent list, outfielder Michael Bourne would be the top player to address this gaping hole in the lineup. He’ll probably command $10-15 million per season over a 4-5 year deal. It would be the richest contract in the team’s history with a free agent.

    Even if the team targeted Bourne, why would he come here, why would he choose the Pirates over resigning with the Braves or another franchise like the Phillies or Nationals? It won’t happen.

    Acquiring another outfielder in the leadoff spot pushes players like Travis Snider and Jose Tabata into reserve roles on the bench that are unlikely to make either player happy or productive. Are those two guys the type of players who can play off the bench and produce? I don’t think so.

    The team also needs to find a catcher who can start 100-125 games, free agency doesn’t really have much with A.J. Pierzynski being the best of the lot and again, why would a extremely competitive and outspoken player like him want to come to Pittsburgh after years of playing for the White Sox.

    Fixing this team for 2013 is going to be a daunting task for Huntington (his own mess) or the next general manager.

  191. Eric Bowser says:

    I hear McDonald has a sign hanging up at his place, it says. “Gone Fishin”

  192. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled – you weren’t referring to me as JB, right? I have no idea what you are talking about, so I assume that was someone else you were referring to.

  193. Eric Bowser says:

    @JoeBucco – No, there’s someone posting as “JB”.

  194. Alex P. says:

    Somehow there are STILL parts of the player development site that are PUBLICLY viewable!! GREAT to know the IT team is carrying on the Pirates tradition of incompetence.

  195. Alex P. says:

    YOU CANT (sic) cut and paste people!!!

    BUT how about pasting links to PUBLICALLY available internal documents?

  196. Pat4Pgh says:

    What is it that makes anyone associated with Neal Huntingdon so damn arrogant? Neal redefines the term itself and Stark (Neal’s best bud from Cleveland) is trying to exceed his bosses arrogance. No wonder the PBC is a laughingstock on the field and off ot it!!!!

  197. Thundercrack says:

    Sorry I am late to the blog this morning. I have started my own SEAL training.
    I ran around the neighborhood with a broom handle on my shoulder and did some summersaults in the front yard.

    I plan on working up to the stage where my wife turns the garden hose on my while I do jumping jacks in the driveway.

    That is how we do it in the suburbs.

  198. JoeBucco says:

    oh, ok. Thanks Eric

  199. Thundercrack says:

    The Pirates (hitters) are second in the NL (third overall) in strikeouts – just 14 behind the Astros.

    That HAS to change next year. To steal a line from Clint “just too much pitch & catch between the pitcher and catcher”. I may have mangled that line but you get the idea.

  200. Thundercrack says:

    The thing about this collapse that makes it even more difficult for me to stomach is the number of crappy teams that are beating us, as well as the level of talent & experience in starting pitchers that are beating us.

    I am still hoping to be above .500 and I that will make me happy. A little.

  201. The Gunner says:

    @ Eric – 191

    You are right on, Michael Bourn WILL NEVER consider the Pirates – it’ll be more of Scabata and his 13 RBIs for 2012. 2013 is going to be a challenging year for the Bucs. The BMTIB/BMTIS really blew it this year as 2012 was their year of opportunity. NH, KS, and DUI Frank need to have their employment terminated – all of these guys are 1st class jackasses.

    I’ll probably never see another winning season in my lifetime as long as the Nutting ownership is in place and I am only in my early 60s. And I have good genes from a longevity perspective.

  202. Mosca says:

    Anyone still wondering why Mark Appel didn’t sign? This HAD TO be part of the equation.

  203. Hurdled says:

    Negative JoeBucco.

    We’re cool as far as I’m concerned.

    There was some hack on here yesterday defending his boyfriend’s honor.

    His name was JB, I call him Pinocchio.

  204. JRay3 says:

    Many of us fans are still hoping the team finishes above .500 but when one of your best players in Neil Walker comes out and says that is not important to the players you will only get your hopes dashed thinking it can happen. Disappointing to read such things is an understatement.

    These guys don’t care like we do about the 20 years of ineptitude, they say their goal is to play for a championship but past that when that goal is insurmountable to achieve you see what these guys have given us.

    I would love to have leaders on this team say we are going to fight for every win between now and the end of the season, build a little momentum for all that we lost get some pride back in here, but we don’t have leaders. We get the organization that sticks it’s head in the sand.

    @ Milo- You are correct, we deserve so much better.

    GO PITT!

  205. The Gunner says:

    @ JRay3 – 202

    Overpaid jackasses, that is what all of the Pirates players are. What great role models for the youth of Pittsburgh. Glad I grew up when we had Bob Friend, Vern Law, Dick Groat, Bill Mazeroski, Roberto, Wille the Starg etc.

    Last night I posted that this whole thing looks like a mutiny to me. And that includes the players, manager, coaches, & FO. Jackass is way too kind a word to describe these individuals.

  206. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Who cares?

  207. Hurdled says:

    Obviously he does.

    So does the New York Times.

    And ESPN.

    Does that answer your question?

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