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Final: Astros 4, Pirates 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (74-76) vs. Houston Astros (49-102)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: Minute Maid Park, Houston

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Houston LHP Dallas Keuchel

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Michael McKenry, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Kevin Correia, RHP


  1. Drew71 says:

    Load up.

  2. Matt says:

    I predict Marte has a big night and Correia pitches well!

    Pirates 5
    Astros 2

  3. Drew71 says:

    I hope you’re right, Matt.

    I predict Marte has a night and Correia pitches.

  4. Hurdled says:

    I predict Kevin Correia throws a no-hitter.

    Pirates still lose 2-0.

  5. Eric Bowser says:

    For one night, can it all just come together?

  6. @Officer_Mancuso if ppl are trying to save a dollar by manipulating the contract of Mr. “I will do anything the team asks of me” Karstens, they should be shot on sight.

  7. Thundercrack says:

    I believe Clint Hurdle’s explanation as to why Karstens isn’t back in the rotation.

  8. DemonDachshund says:

    I missed it… What was Hurdle’s explanation?

  9. Thundercrack says:

    I thought Clint’s explanation was that basically they wanted to make sure he was healthy. Instead of having him start a game and have to come out after a few innings -like happened during his first start after the injury- they wanted to have him come in out of the pen. He’s had experience at it and it takes away the risk of blowing up the bullpen early during his starts. Karstens told them he was healthy before and then got hurt again.

  10. Thundercrack says:

    I’m not moving on from the Bucs, but I did log on to the internet to catch the last few innings of the Orioles vs Red Sox. I was rooting for the Orioles and they won another extra inning game.

  11. Chuck H says:

    Game 2 in the series against the Astros will go no better than game 1, if the hitting is not there. Pirate pitchers who allow three and four runs in the first inning are not helping the club mentally. It just puts more pressure on them. I’ve noticed that lately, most of the batters are getting behind in the count, 0-2 or 1-2 and then they will swing at one in the dirt. There’s no discipline at the plate. Even Andrew is guilty of that lately. And the other team gets a walk or a single, you might as well tell him to go ahead on down to second because our catcher is tired and can’t throw that far. Good-bye plus .500 season, we have thrown it away.

  12. JoeBucco says:

    @Eric – I’m still hopeful it all comes together about 8 more nights this year. But we’re running out of chances to let that happen. If we could just get a couple, the Reds and Braves will be resting up for the playoffs when we get to play them. Sad as that is to think, I’ll take some mercy wins right now if it gets us to 82. :)

  13. Drew71 says:

    We have? Not my fault. Yours either.

  14. JoeBucco says:

    As far as other teams to root for, I always have a soft spot for former Buccos. Glad to see Zach Duke pitching with the Nationals, even if he can’t be on the postseason roster. I was happy to see him have a good season in AAA (15-5) and back in the majors. He’s a good dude.

    And Xavier Nady has been another guy I’ve been rooting for. Another September guy, with the Giants, he’s put up .318 in September to help them replace Melky a little bit. Can’t say I’d mind having him as an OF off the bench for our team this year.

  15. Thundercrack says:

    JoeBucco, I saw Duke pitch the other day. Except that his hair is much longer he still throws the same.

  16. JUCOFan says:

    Maholm should get a shot In the playoffs too. It’s Sept and he is still eating up innings!

  17. Dave G says:

    Tonight’s game is the free MLB-TV Game of the Day on their website…

    …but I can’t get it to load right now…

  18. Dave G says:

    McKenry throws out Altuve trying to steal!

    Maybe there IS hope tonight…

  19. Chuck H says:

    Game is over!! Bucs had 2 on, no outs and couldn’t score. Correia wild, but Hurdle
    doesn’t know it. Probably 1 run is enough for Astros to win.

  20. Reading says:

    So, being territorially restricted to the Astros broadcast, I tune in to find that the Houston stations are showing Texas A&M vs. South Carolina State and the Pirates game is blacked out. Now I believe that Donnie Shell went to S.C. State, but this is unacceptable.

    Trusting my preparation, and not willing to accept an aggressive failure, I turn to the MLB Mix station on DirecTV, select the Pirates broadcast so I get G. Brown announcing, and now I can watch the top left corner game.

    Further, relying on the three golden rules that champion shot putters use, I can muster up the mental toughness to ignore the other 7 games on the screen.

    Take that MLB Blackout Rules Committee!

  21. Eric Bowser says:

    Judging by the lack of posts here tonight, I suspect everyone needed a night away from the tv and computer.

    DK: Not everyone. Would appear the fraud that was chases out of here went over to Bob Smizik’s blog. Same theme: Stark is brilliant, fans stupid for not grasping its genius … like I wrote here the other day, it’s very much a glimpse into the inside, how they really see things.

  22. Eric Bowser says:

    Pretty cool to see Milo Hamilton on Root Sports Pittsburgh.

  23. The Gunner says:

    @ Eric – 22

    Everyone is sick of the way the Pirates have shut down since early August. I am watching the Notre Dame game. I am checking in on the Bumcos via Yahoo Sports & it appears Correia is pitching well tonight. At this point, he is their best pitcher. Obviously he is putting his best foot forward in the hopes of a juicy contract somewhere for 2013.

    He won’t be back here next year for sure.

  24. RobertoForever says:

    Sorry, out running some errands.

    Come back to see Correia up to 83% of a quality start with 7 K’s

    Game tied 1-1 in the bottom of the 6th, on the strength of a Gaby solo-HR

  25. RobertoForever says:


    Correia may not be back, but I remember when everyone was calling for all the young arms to come up and take his and Bedard’s spot.

  26. JoeBucco says:

    @Reading – you should go with the package next year. The location rules are easily bypassed with Firefox and a little extension called FoxyProxy, and there are no such thing as blackouts with that little trick. Plus it in to a TV, and you have high def Pirates all year long.

  27. JoeBucco says:

    @Eric – yea, I’m with you. I was going to skip the game as I’ve seen at least a few innings of every game this year except the 7 when I was on a cruise this summer. But I couldn’t stay away. Truth be told, even with all the drama recently, I’m going to miss this. It’s been a fun ride for the most part.

  28. The Gunner says:

    @ Roberto – 26

    Yep and I was probably one of the posters campaigning for the young arms. Hey, what do I know? KC looks like he has trimmed down and that has probably helped him improve his pitching. He was starting to get a bit pudgy.


    @ Eric – 23

    Was Brownie actually talking with Milo? Milo was never very well liked in Pgh. He had the difficult task of replacing a true legend, the great Bob Prince (aka The Gunner). I am sure Milo cried himself to sleep many nights during his 3 years in Pgh. He was never a good fit here & apparently, he gave his broadcast partner, Lanny Frattare a pretty bad time.

  29. Reading says:

    Thanks Clint.

  30. The Gunner says:

    Too bad for Correia. Barmes booted one, tsk tsk. The 2013 Pirate manager just removed him from the game.

  31. diehard says:

    Correia is too professional to do it, but when the team comes to the dugout, he has every right to punch Barmes in the face.

  32. Reading says:


    I have the Extra Innings package on DirecTV and the MLB At Bat 12 app nut radio only.

    But hey, good news for 2013. Lastros bolt to AL. Now, I’ll only have to watch two or three times instead of 18 times. Psyched about that.

  33. diehard says:

    Wehner just said Barmes would trade a week’s worth of hits to have that DP ball back. Um, do we need to touch that one?

  34. Reading says:

    Usually, I’ll psynch up the Pirates radio broadcast on the App with the Astros TV broadcast. Hopefully, the Pirates don’t even play the Astros for a couple of years.

  35. JoeBucco says:

    We get them next year in Pittsburgh.

  36. The Gunner says:

    @ JoeBucco – 37

    You are sounding like Joe Tucker

  37. JoeBucco says:

    It just occurred to me that the nickname G.I. Jones has an entirely new meaning now.

  38. Reading says:

    MLB will probably make Astros the Pirates natural rival so we can continue to play them 12 times a year

  39. Reading says:

    Astros trusted their preparation and turned key DP.

  40. Reading says:

    At least the Brewers lost. Although, I guess it really doesn’t matter. Really don’t want Brewers or Phils to get WC.

  41. Eric Bowser says:

    Since ’92

  42. diehard says:

    Error on McHenry? Uh, no. Barmes should have had it. He’s having a rockin’ night.

  43. Reading says:

    Oh … and “Hoka Hey!”

  44. JoeBucco says:

    These guys can’t get anything to go right at this point. They need to get the season over with and get away from everything for a while.

    Sucks that they will have absolutely nothing to show for the first 120 games and nothing at all to build off of for next season.

  45. Reading says:

    At this point, the Pirates may as well lose all of the remaining games. Look at it as an “aggressive failure.”

  46. Hurdled says:

    DK, just out of morbid curiosity why did you tell that guy JamesSantelli to go to hell when he commented on your column? Is there a past argument or is he just a hack? Honestly, I know zippo about any past and had never heard of him before this.

  47. Eric Bowser says:

    down 3 runs and Cutch is swinging for a HR….. this team is a mess.

  48. Reading says:

    Cutch only one point up on Posey. Can’t even look forward to a batting championship on last day.

  49. Reading says:

    Tied now, I guess, after the final grounder.

  50. Reading says:


  51. The Gunner says:

    Operation Shutdown continues

  52. JMB says:



  53. JMB says:

    15-33 in Aug & Sept. (.313 ball)

  54. Eric Bowser says:

    @Gunner – Darn you, I was literally going to type that… Operation Shutdown.

    A failure this bad is cause for complete regime change.

  55. Reading says:

    I apologize for all of the alleged jokes the last couple of days, but really not much to comment on gamewise.

    “Hoka Hey!”

  56. T.S. says:

    Limping into the end of the season. Pathetic. 20th losing season in a row. Unfathomable. Seriously. If Neal Huntington and Kyle Stark are not fired at season’s end, I will switch my allegiance to another MLB team. I’ve been loyal since 1979 (age 10), but no more. Go Steelers!

  57. The Gunner says:

    @ Eric – 56

    Sorry to steal your thunder. I think everyone will be history and Jeff Bannister will be named manager (he’ll work cheap – ha ha).

    You mentioned that Milo Hamilton was on Root Sports tonight. Was it the real Milo or our fellow blogger Milo?

  58. Eric Bowser says:

    The Nutting house has white smoke coming out of the chimney, where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    I expect swift changes now that the team is virtually out of the .500 picture and playoff race.

  59. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I don’ think I can remember ever seeing a Major League baseball team quit like we’ve done the past 2 seasons. I’ve seen teams in football playing out the string, but never have I seen a team with promise and something to play for just up and quit like this. Sad. Very sad. What do they expect from their fans? Enthusiasm and optimism all during the Hot Stove season and next Spring? Sad.

  60. JMB says:

    I wonder if Hurdle has any general manager and team president candidates he has rec’d to BNutting.

  61. Eric Bowser says:

    @Lucky – I don’t think the players quit last year. To be honest, I can’t say that for the guys in 2012 with how bad they are pitching, hitting, running, throwing, and playing defense. They are a mental mess, they seem conflicted by something, someone.

    Something happened after the trade deadline because these guys stopped having fun, they stopped doing the things they did in June and July to be 16 games over .500 and in the wild card race.

  62. The Gunner says:

    @ JMB – 62

    I hope Nutcase is listening to CH but I have a feeling that he will not survive this mess and he will be fired along with NH, KS & Foster Brooks Coonelly.

    2013 will be awful for the Bucs.

  63. JoeBucco says:

    Yep, somewhere Derek Bell is sitting on his boat smiling.

  64. The Gunner says:

    @ Eric – 63

    You are right. Something had to happen behind the scenes to have these players make such an abrupt change for the worse.

    We’ll probably never know what actually caused all the losing and related lousy playing.

  65. Eric Bowser says:

    2013 doesn’t have to be painful if they use the extra revenue from increase broadcast monies toward an impact player, hire a quality GM to win a trade or two, pick up some good depth bench players via free agency, and maybe just maybe get a reliever or two who can last the whole season.

  66. JoeBucco says:

    Put me on record with your next GM for the Pirates…

    William P. Geivett
    Sr. Vice President – Scouting & Player Development/Assistant General Manager – Colorado Rockies

    Doesn’t that title alone sound like exactly what we need? Plus, he worked with Clint already in Colorado.

  67. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Don’t ever expect a major change with the Pirates until THE change is made at the top.
    All roads lead to Bob Nutting.
    It might sound simple ……because it is as simple as that.

  68. The Gunner says:

    @ JoeBucco – 68

    Hope you are on the right track but I think Bazzini’s comment @ 69 will be reality.

  69. Eric Bowser says:

    @JoeBucco – Next GM must be someone with the proverbial cache to attract the very best scouts, the very best instructors, the very best baseball players. This team needs to go and spend big on their next Team President/GM.

  70. JRay3 says:

    This team is PATHETIC…this has turned into the worst of the last 20 years of Pirate baseball, the players stink, the manager has stunk, ownership is awful.

    I’m not sure why I anyone including myself ever believe one day, one year it will just all turn around and this will be a new franchise. It isn’t and it won’t be until all associated are gone.

    We can’t beat the freaking Astros we have turned into the worst team in baseball without the benefit of having the top pick.

    But hey they are raising ticket prices for 2013, get in line now.

  71. RobertoForever says:


    Mr. Geivett would never be accepted by DK, or the commenters here. He is a member of SABR!

    All kidding aside, he sounds like a great fit. People here have asked who you would replace NH with if he was fired. I might roll the dice if Bill would be willing to come here. Some great baseball background, as a player, college coach, as well as baseball management for quite a while.

    DK: I’m a fan of sabermetrics. I’m just not a fan of using any principle to close my mind to other possibilities.

  72. JRay3 says:

    At least one team in Pittsburgh fought back to the .500 mark.

    Go Panthers!

  73. woomer says:


    I don’t know that a change of ownership would necessarily be the most effective change to make. I think that as an owner of many businesses, Bob Nutting’s responsibility is to the Pirates organization is to:

    – hire a president that knows how to run a baseball-based organization;
    – provide ever-so-general guidelines for that president;
    – and get periodic reports about how the organization as operating as a whole.

    I’m no business expert, but my understanding is that’s typically what a Chairman of the Board of Directors (Bob Nutting’s Title) does.

    In other words (in my opinion), if you’re looking for “major change” to any organization, a new president (who makes all the major decisions for the organization on a day-to-day basis) tends to bring it about more quickly than a new Chairman of the Board (who only reviews what the president tells him on a periodic basis).

  74. JRay3 says:

    I would like to see if Mark Cuban was given the reigns of this franchise if that would be effective change.

    Based on his track record of bringing a NBA Championship to Dallas and year in year out playoff team after taking over that franchise when they were a doormat I would suggest an ownership change can have a profound effect.

    Have to have someone who truly wants to win at the top, hates losing and will pour any and all resources into that effort…the Pirates do not have anything close to that, but they are profitable.

  75. Eric Bowser says:

    @JRay3 – Cuban for years flirted around with the idea in Pittsburgh because he thought it gave him some credibility with friends and family here but all it did was show he was nothing but a public relations hound.

    I even sent Mark information about some individuals that I had come in contact with locally here to form a local group to put up an offer to Nutting and McClatchy that couldn’t be refused.

    Mark wanted nothing to do with it, he wanted his idea, his own friends and so people who were once significant investors of the Pirates but left after McClatchy took over in the first year were now without a major backer.

    If anything happens, it will be Chuck Greenberg putting together a group with some of those same people, with Mario Lemieux, with Ron Burkle, and others.

  76. out-n-ltfield says:

    @ Woomer

    It’s difficult to attract the type of executive you describe when:

    A. The owner won’t spend the requisite money to acquire said executive who comes with a proven background and track record of success.

    B. The owner won’t spend in the neighborhood of the league average in salary.

    What new President/GM, of any type of championship caliber ilk, would consider working in this environment?

    I’m not saying BN couldn’t find an up & coming go getter who’s been around success as an assistant GM and strike gold, but I’d bet against it…

  77. Eric Bowser says:

    Breaking information from Dejan on Twitter

    “Know where Pirates management focus is right now? Hearing they’ve told minor-league coaches they’re quarantine-ing all laptops.”

    Next thing you know, General McCarthy will be leading rogue para-military wannabees into those coaches homes and offices to find something. They want to publicly scorn the leak.

  78. JMB says:

    Confiscating = quarantining?

    detained in strict isolation? Does NH want to see who fwd’d the Stark email?

  79. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Wonder if they’ll move to smart phones next.

  80. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    “Know where Pirates management focus is right now? Hearing they’ve told minor-league coaches they’re quarantine-ing all laptops.”

    Not a surprise to me that their focus would be quarantine-ing laptops.
    The Nutting Regime works “Pyongyang style”…..

  81. Eric Bowser says:

    @JMB – I would take it to mean confiscating every team issued computer and they’ll hire someone to find the files that save internet information/emails to locate the sender who provided Dejan with Stark’s email.

    The key here is, Dejan probably already knows if that information came from a team issued email address (computer).

    In fact, the Pirates don’t need to even take the computers. They can just hire someone to go through their email server and review every email sent to Dejan’s email address.

  82. Cajun Thunder says:

    I believe quarantining = mole hunting

  83. JRay3 says:

    Good grief how about NH spend his time worrying about the team he assembled that collapsed, the trade deadline that went by with him making the team worse, the lack of development and progress of our minor leaguers expected to be the future.

    No we will consume ourselves with tracking the source e-mail instead of firing the idiot who put the email together for baseball cluelessness.

  84. out-n-ltfield says:


    Why would the Regime’s IT practices be any more practical than the rest of the operation?

  85. Woomer says:


    you said:
    “Not a surprise to me that their focus would be quarantine-ing laptops.
    The Nutting Regime works “Pyongyang style”…..”

    If it’s true the Pirates are quarantine-ing laptops, that’s not the level of business decision that would come from the Chairman of the Board.

    Maybe the chairman would be informed at a period reporting meeting with the president, but there’s no way that a man who owns (and probably Chairs) multiple businesses is getting involved in that level of decision-making within one of those businesses.

    My assumption is that decision (if it’s true) came from the President’s office or below.

    I can’t stress enough that a typical C of the B does not get involved in any day-to-day decisions made within a given business. And only gets informed of the most important of those decisions periodically.

  86. JoeBucco says:

    @Roberto – yes, I was thinking the same with Bill Geivett and all of the baseball experience that he has, as you mentioned. I don’t know enough about him, but from what I read, that is exactly what is needed from the fantasy baseball geeks that run this team today.

    Sorry to offend the fantasy baseball players in the room (I know, my team sucked this year).

  87. diehard says:

    Is it possible they are quarantining all of the laptops so they can make sure they have them when they start firing people? Some of these guys (Stark) seem like the type that would run off into a corner and not be willing to give up their precious laptops. At least if the order has come from FC. If it came from KS or NH then they are in a panicked CYA mode.

  88. Hurdled says:

    JoeBucco, how dare you :-)

    My team won the title this year!

    Winning record 6 out of 7 years now.

    2 championships and 6 playoff appearances.

    Should I send my resume to Coonely or Nutting?

  89. Bob K says:

    Gotta hand it to the Pirates management. They sure know how to keep this dookie relevant … 90 comments and counting! And the Pitt game got 2 comments. Who’s laughing now.

  90. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Woomer – I repeat (again and again)….It all starts at the top.
    To think more than this is crazy after all these years.

  91. John Lease says:

    74-77 5 more losses to season #20, or alternatively 8 more wins to break the streak.

    I think the losses are pretty likely.

  92. Drew71 says:

    Look at who they’ve played. Look at who is winning.

    Even with the July addition of Rod Wandleman, this is now baseball’s worst team.

    Let’s use that as a base of discussion…just for a moment. If this team IS the worst team in baseball, then while SOME players deserve SOME blame, I have to ask myself, let alone the rest of the blog: Why do I keep blaming the PLAYERS for playing to their level?

    I am purposely overstating the argument; I do blame the players for a good part of this. Just saying. Even without HippieGate, (or MilitaryPretentionGate? BombasticGate? MagniloquentGate? Somebody help me here; I’m really struggling with my Gates today), if we could clear our minds of all the past week’s nonsense, this is still much more than JUST a player thing.

    Charlie Wilmoth wrote: “Imagine that the Pirates have a terrific farm system, and that they’ve clinched a Wild Card slot this year. Now go read Stark’s email again. Does it seem laughable to you now?”

    That one point is, in my opinion, correct. If we pretend that 5amWakeUpCallGate (help me) never happened…now is everyone happy? Everything fine with the Pirates?

    If I own the Pirates, I am setting this Gate nonsense aside for the moment, ridding my evaluation of the emotions it generated, and reviewing everything about why the Pirates are where they are.


  93. Drew71 says:

    Where you sit determines your perspective, doesn’t it?

    From the Pirate management perspective, they probably see the nonsense as:

    KovacevicGate (the J is pronounced like a soft Y)

    Ok. I promise. I’m done with my DrewGate-ing for the day.

  94. Ed says:

    There is an article in the other paper today with Huntington defending the minor league methods.

    I just hope it bears some fruit in the future. Who knows how many more years this franchise may be set back if it doesn’t.

  95. Ed says:

    Given this team’s luck, it will probably be durian fruit.

  96. BFD says:

    The fact that Nutting has yet to speak & apparently Stark is still allowed to call the shots
    & the big concern within the organization is centered around collecting laptops & identifying who leaked the information over the past week rather than
    Addressing the on field issues speaks volumes.

  97. RobertoForever says:

    Did some digging on the group that did the Navy Seals training. Lo and behold I discover that another professional major league team had already used this training, to rave reviews. Lindy Ruff, long-time coach of the Sabres, who is a winning coach in a small market, even participated in the event.

    The Sabres even put pictures of the event on their website and trumpeted it. Pictures of crabwalking in sand, crawling in sand, flipping truck tires, carrying telephones, etc.

    I wonder how many folks in the NHL thought that these training techniques were crazy and ridiculous. I mean, hockey and beaches do go together, right? And the Sabres training occurred on every day of the short 4 day camp for the Sabres prospects. The Sabres even forced their 1st round draft (#12 overall, 18yo) pick to do it. And he had not even signed a contract with the Sabres yet.

    I wasn’t sure how to feel about the whole Navy Seals thing up until now. But after reading only positive press about the situation with the Sabres, I have no issue whatsoever with it. Perhaps the people in the organization who are complaining ARE part of the problem. At some point, shouldn’t those people who disagree with the organization just go seek employment elsewhere? Maybe the reason fundamentals seem to be so bad with our minor league players is that the folks who are supposed to be teaching them instead walking around ripping the organization and poisoning the atmosphere. If you are working for a company that you don’t believe in, why not find a job with someone you do?

    And on the whole Kyle Stark email – I have to say that, unfortunately, this is the advice that many consulting companies are giving to organizations. I have been there when HR and development people of Manufacturing companies have been told similar stuff. And the manufacturing management let it go on, even though it didn’t seem to fit.

    I am guessing that if the Pirates were not mired in losing for the final 2 months of the season at the major league level, that this would be nothing. Seemed to be nothing for the Sabres.

    Here’s hoping AJ can pitch a CG shutout and hit a HR to win this game against the Astros.

  98. JoeBucco says:

    @Hurdled – resume? Probably not needed. I hear you may already be the leading candidate!

  99. Mike Shigley says:

    I will reiterate. It never is the training itself. It is how the training is used by the trained organization once the trainers have left. Does the organization’s leadership reinforce what the trainers taught or ignore it?

    Stark’s e-mail is a problem — because it reveals his mindset. I would hope that even if the Pirates were still winning the e-mail text would raise red flags. He either believes in his metaphors (which would be sickening) or he doesn’t have a clue would words mean.

    The story in the other paper is very troubling, because the GM apparently believes his minor league teams are successful. I am sorry. When your AAA folds in the playoffs, your AA and short season A have major late season collapses, and your high and low A teams are mediocre, you are not successful. Success is winning and player development, and I don’t think either exists right now.

  100. woomer says:


    I don’t have any particular love (or hate) for the Pirate ownership (board of directors, chairman of the board, or whomever). I just can’t see them being involved in decision-making at the level that you give them credit (or blame) for.

    I see these decisions (even the big ones) as coming from the president’s office (or below). After all, that’s why businesses, corporations, etc have presidents, right?

    President (definition): the chief officer of an organization (as a corporation or institution) usually entrusted with its direction and administration.

  101. JoeBucco says:

    @Mike – The trainer has never left. The main guy behind all of this is our “Mental Conditioning Coordinator”, a guy named Bernie Holliday. And if you missed it before, our “Mental Conditioning Coordinator” admittedly is not a psychologist, psychiatrist, and possesses no formal training in the field. But he believes in military style tactics as a basis for his program.

    So, take what you want from this. Considering this team’s collapse in the final months of the last two seasons, perhaps they should look into a mental conditioning coordinator with at least a little formal training. Can’t see how that would hurt.

  102. Hurdled says:

    @JoeBucco, I’d probably have to take a pay cut from what I win in the fantasy league.

    Also I hear Nutting makes you punch a clock, and only gives 30 minutes for lunch.

  103. Hurdled says:



    Comparing the salary capped NHL to MLB??

    How many teams make the playoffs in the NHL? All of them right?

    How many titles has Lindy Ruff won as a coach?

    Hell how many times has Buffalo even made it to the Finals?

    Not exactly a championship caliber program to emulate.

  104. RobertoForever says:


    Your ignorance is showing. Lindy Ruff is considered a very good coach in the NHL.

    And he has several Finals appearances, and a winning record as a coach, both in the regular season and the playoffs.

  105. Hurdled says:

    My ignorance??!!??

    You are the KING or ignorance.

    Who considers Lindy Ruff to be a good coach??

    Last time I checked he made the Finals all of ONCE as a coach.

    And that was how many years ago?

    How many championships as a coach does he have? Rhymes with ERO!

    Put your Barmes jersey on and keep peddling bad information.

  106. Patrick(RI) says:

    I am not a hockey fan, don’t like the game, so my observation is suspect, but it seems to me that the pro hockey “smash-mouth” – employ “enforcers” to maim opposing players tactics may well be suited for Seal training. Don’t see that with baseball –at least since the days of Ty Cobb.

  107. RobertoForever says:


    Hockey teams have very few ‘enforcers’ on teams anymore. And the Sabres sent their 1st round draft pick, who is a skill player and goal scorer – think Malkin – to this SEAL training even BEFORE he had signed a contract. If he had been injured, he would have received nothing from the Sabres or the NHL.

  108. RobertoForever says:


    Doing some research, I find that…

    Ruff rated as the #7 coach in the NHL.

    Lindy Ruff rated as the #3 coach in the NHL. Ruff has 60 playoff wins.

    Received a multi-year extension last year when the new owner took over. Oviously seen as part of the solution. His THIRD owner that he has played for. Hmmm, I guess changing owners doesn’t always equal championships.


    I see your ignorance crosses over to 2 sports now.

  109. Patrick(RI) says:


    Didn’t know that about enforcers. I wouldn’t know Malkin from Milkin. Not really knowledgeable enough to argue in-depth, beyond a sense from news sources that suggest Hockey is a pretty violent occupation and the certainty that BB is not.

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