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Final: Mets 6, Pirates 2

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (75-77) vs. New York Mets (69-83)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Citi Field, New York

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. New York RHP Jenrry Mejia

  1. Alex Presley, LF
  2. Josh Harrison, SS
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Neil Walker, 2B
  6. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  7. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  8. Michael McKenry, C
  9. Kyle McPherson, RHP


  1. JAL says:

    Interesting lineup, Walker in, Harrison to SS, Marte out.

  2. RobertoForever says:

    Josh getting a second start in a row. I guess a 4 for 6 day will earn you spot somewhere on the field.

    Would love to see one of these rookie pitchers go 6 and get a W.

  3. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Well this will be interesting………

  4. Bizrow says:

    Is Snider still gimpy?

  5. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    His power’s gimpy

  6. Reading says:

    Whoa! Wait a minute! The Pirates have 75 Ws, not a measly 74.

    Hoka Hey!

  7. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Would you rather have the Cardinals or the Brewers get the last wild card spot?

    I’ll go with the Cards. Hate the Brewers.

  8. Milo Hamilton says:

    From Jayson Stark. No team in baseball history has ever been 16 games or more over .500 after 108 games and finished with a losing record.

    Historic collapse indeed.

  9. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Ah man Milo…….really?

  10. Milo Hamilton says:

    I remember those Cubs teams from the 70’s. They always wore out as the season went along. All the day ball in the heat, they said.

    Herman Franks. The real Milo called him Happy Herman because he still had the 1st nickel he ever made.

  11. NMR says:

    Wore down in the heat, you say?

    It seems fair to say that increased atmospheric temperature may have combined with the decreased run scoring enviroment Neal talked about at the beginning of the season to doom our beloved Pirates, no?

  12. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo Hamilton – wow, and the Pittsburgh Pirates are about to be the first in history of baseball to accomplish that feat. 500 teams in this games history have been 16 above at that mark and NOT ONE finished with a losing record. Had no idea. Sad.

    All in the name of keeping the longest losing streak in professional sports alive.


  13. Milo Hamilton says:

    You know, when Al Gore started talking about that decreased run scoring environment I thought he was nuts. But since I started thinking like a hippie, it kinda makes sense to me.

  14. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Early candidate for comment of the day

  15. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Brewers just got killed by the Nats……..12-2

  16. Leefoo says:

    There’s been a lot of articles going around here and elsewhere blaming just about every facet of the Pirates’ team from mgmt on down. I have always felt that JMac’s collapse from Ace to Dud (not unlike losing your ace and replacing him with a AAA pitcher who fails) has been the biggest reason.

    On July 7, McDonald had a 2.37 record and the Pirates were 12-5 during his starts, since then the ERA has ballooned to 4.21 and the Pirates have a 3-10 record in his starts. That’s a 14 game turnaround that was largely contributed from one player

    Even if we had been 6-7 or 7-6 in his starts, we’d have 78 or 79 wins and finishing over .500 would still be the lock that Dejan predicted.

    And, when the starting pitching goes, so often goes the bullpen, both negatively and positively.


    Hoka Hey Foo Foo (which means, I’m a hippie and I’m getting high on peyote)


  17. Naje says:

    foo…. you may be a hippie and peyote may be your friend, but man, you live ON THE EDGE! You’re OUT THERE, brother…!

  18. JMB says:

    “Hippies, Hell’s Angels, and a Historic collapse.”

    There you go DK. You have your book title when you decide to go long-form.

  19. Fat Jimmy says:

    Foo, his ERA from July 17 through now is actually 7.52.

  20. Milo Hamilton says:

    Is Jeff Kent in “Survivor Mode” ?

  21. Hurdled says:

    Hell’s Angels aren’t normally known for their downward planes.

  22. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I’ve said the same thing. As the pitching goes, so does this team. All baseball teams really.

    JMac’s fall is the #1 cause of the collapse.

  23. Pat4Pgh says:

    But Hell’s Angels are know for SPEEDBALL control……oops, did I mean FASTball?

    Given Krazy Kyle’s lack of baseball knowledge, I can see how he got confused

  24. Leefoo says:

    FJ….and the metrics forsaw a regression for JMac, but 7.52?

    Ryan….great minds…Time for a smoothie now. :)

    Nage….thanks…I like being ‘out there’. I’ve been ‘out of the box’ so long, I’ve foogotten what a box looks like. :)



  25. Leefoo says:

    Btw, FJ, I, too, like DK, like having your thoughts on the board. You were always one of my favorites.



  26. JMB says:

    Who can forget FJ’s epic rant on Foo’s favorite poster.

    It’s been a while, but I vaguely remember sheep, goats, and a “restricted account.”

    Ah, the good ol’ days…

    A blog w. FJ & Naterosboro is a better blog IMHO.

  27. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo @16–Huh? Talk about stats and damn lies, are you suggesting that Collapse II began on July 7? Maybe JMac’s worst stats started then, but you are working backwards to pick July 7 to support your view. The Pirates were 47-37 on July 7 and 60-44 on August 1. Hard, actually impossible, to argue the collapse started on July 7. If you look at his stats since Aug 1, like I said on the last thread, we are talking about maybe a 2 game difference during the “Collapse.”

  28. Eric Bowser says:

    Since Dejan doesn’t have interest in writing a book, I think I’ll write one.

    Title: The Legend of Braves, Hippies, and Treasures

  29. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Some thoughts, since I’ve seen the issue pop up on various threads (I was going to post this in another thread, but was having trouble, so I am trying it here).

    Several individuals have mused about allowing Neal Huntington to return, with new scouting and development heads. I hope the answer is no, for several reasons.

    First, by rather forcefully defending his team, Huntington took ownership of the individuals and their work. In any event, if he is left to hire replacements there is no reason anybody should have any confidence they will be better suited to their positions than are Kyle Stark and Greg Smith. To the extent that Huntington’s own position is involved, it makes no sense to keep an executive and then proceed to cut the legs out from under him by managing his selection of subordinates.

    Second, there is serious dissatisfaction among many in the organization with Neal Huntington personally, and with his practices. Relieving Stark and/or Smith resolves none of those issues, and runs the risk that disorganization and mixed messages will pervade the player development and draft process.

    What Dejan and others in the media have been describing, and what I and others have been hearing, reflect a dysfunctional organization and a toxic work environment. In what universe can these individuals function together when the response to the e-mails matter was, instead of addressing the issues presented head on, to quarantine minor league coaches’ laptops (presumably to identify the leaker).

    In politics when you become the butt of jokes, it is said (accurately) that you are finished. The situation here is no different. No serious person takes this organization or its practices seriously anymore. That requires excising the cancer at its origin, which means at a minimum that Huntington and his hires must go, as well as Hurdle and his, with a couple of exceptions.

    Personally, I would also relieve Frank Coonelly, but if Bob Nutting is not of a mind to do so, he should at a minimum remove him from any direct line authority over the new head of baseball operations. They could do this several ways. One would be to hire a counterpart to Coonelly, who would be in charge of baseball operations and who would hire a new general manager. That neatly removes Coonelly from the baseball side, and allows Bob Nutting to avoid having to have a direct report who is a step below Coonelly, answering to him directly.

    With some guts and imagination, they can avoid the massive upheaval that occurred in 2008 and 2009, and continue the unfinished process of rebuilding, this time with professional execution. It is time for amateur hour to end at 115 Federal.

  30. Arriba Wilver says:

    BVB–as one who appreciated your factual input last week, let me say again, thanks for sharing. Once you add in your suggestions about cutting people, however, I start to get a little concerned, even if I might agree with some or all of your recommendations. One of the points in your post that really stuck out for me is that you said “the response to the e-mails matter was, instead of addressing the issues presented head on, to quarantine minor league coaches’ laptops (presumably to identify the leaker).” Whatever I may think of Neal and what he said about the issues, he did “address” directly the issues on his pregame show yesterday. Did the quarantine order come out from Neal or above him? I don’t know. If you were running the organization, would you want to know who the leaker was regardless of whether you agreed with him? I would. Just to be clear, I think the calls for immediate action by BN, right now prior to the end of the season based on the e-mail, are a little silly.

  31. Eric Bowser says:

    It all starts with accountability and Bob Nutting is the man who needs to hold everyone, including himself, accountable for their actions. The DUI arrest of Frank Coonelly and the subsequent attempts to hide the news until it was reported in the media was a pathetic decision by Nutting and that kind of decision-making sets the tone for the organization and how it treats people and respects the opinion of others.

    It will never matter who the Team President, General Manager, Manager or players are for the Pirates with a man who tried to cover up an embarrassing arrest for a direct report.

    Coonelly’s role on this team isn’t needed with respect for baseball operations and he hasn’t exactly done much for the team during his employment to help on the business side or in league matters. Did he do anything to help team during the most recent CBA but be a yes man for Bud Selig and the large revenue teams?

    Wholesale changes are needed but does anyone really think it will happen?

  32. radio wave says:

    Post 23
    Great post

  33. BarryVanBonilla says:


    Thanks for that. Let eme clarify. I was addressing a scenario raised by someone else where it was assumed that somebody(ies) would have to go. I don’t think Nutting needs to do anything immediately. If he feels a change is needed, however, he really cannot wait for too long after the season ends. If jobs are open, it gives notice to the many out there who will be interested that there is a serious opportunity. Other teams will make changes between October 4th and the end of the world series, and he should get out in front of it, assuming he intends to make changes.

    Huntington addressed the issues head on yesterday, by defending Kyle Stark. That’s fine. He might even deserve credit for sticking by his lieutenant. But if an individual, or a Bob Nutting, believes he simply doubled down on something that has already elicited ridicule from around the baseball world, then it is questionable whether what he did was good, bad or ugly.

    As for the laptops, the Pirates are entitled to take disciplinary action against employees who leak e-mails. That is their right. But I have serious questions as to whether what they are legally entitled to do represents the best use of their time. Perhaps that time would be better spent analyazing why their unhappy employees are talking to Dejan, Jeff Passan and others, as well as their personal friends, hoping to create some critical mess because they are afraid that healthy internal dissent will cost them their jobs.

    Again, I am not suggesting it would be a good idea for Bob Nutting to do anythinhg now. I was just addressing the scenarios assuming he decided to make changes.

    Hope that clarifies things a bit, and thanks for the exchange. This is fun, even though the topic is depressing.

  34. BarryVanBonilla says:


    All I can say is that I hope that all of the questions Bob Nutting is reported to be asking of people in Pittsburgh and around baseball will get him to a place of greater comfort in making decisions about a management team. Last time was his first rodeo. Perhaps a learned a few things. Since we can’t do much about his decision not to sell the team, I suppose it is best to hope that he values his and the board’s investment enough to get the best possible executive and baseball talent to run it. What he has now is not even close, from a personnel management or a substantive perspective.

  35. JMB says:

    Poor fundamentals…

  36. Parrothead01 says:

    Starting to look like one of those nights when we make a below average pitcher look like a Cy Young award winner.

  37. Arriba Wilver says:

    BVB–thanks for the response, and I appreciate the exchange also. And I’m not trying to start a battle, but I don’t think you really addressed directly the issues I raised. Deflecting them might be a better description,

    I agree 100% BN can’t wait too long after the end of the season, and should be doing (and probably is doing) his evaluation now.

    You said the issues in the Stark e-mail weren’t addressed, which is why I mentioned Neal’s interview, which I heard most of, in responding to you saying there was no direct response other than the laptop thing.

    Like I said, I expect the powers that be above Neal are already involved in their evaluation, so it’s really speculation that nothing is happening other than confiscating the laptops.

    I’m just pointing out the nature of your position. The more you advocate something, the more your motives will come under scrutiny.

    And just to be clear, I’ve been saying for a couple years the organization seemed dysfunctional without knowing the inside scoop, so I appreciate the inside look that helps illustrate that.

    But again, once you move from the “here’s what I heard and have seen” to the “here’s what I think should happen” stage, your motives will be under closer scrutiny.

  38. pghboyinca says:

    Fatjimmy, Before you start “picking apart” my email in a thinlky vieled attempt to justify the inane theory that there aren’t many roster spots avaialble so replacing the G.M. would not have that much significnace try this on for size. Go to the reverse angle, who should be vitual locks ot return and play next year on a regular major league team not owned by Nuttig? I.E. you can’t pencil someone in only because he is the best option here. It has been 5 years since this G.M. and president took control, they have to own this thing!! And your attemnpt to start subtracting out months of Barmes play to contort facts is beyond lame. His stats are his stats, pure and simple. “If you take out April and May he is hitting .268? Really If the Queen had balls she would be the King but she doesn’t so she will have to sit next to the throne.

  39. Eric Bowser says:

    @BVB – What do you think about stats? Kinda curious how a guy like Dan Fox feels about his reputation after Huntington says they value statistical analysis, yet they signed Clint Barmes and Rod Barajas as regulars. If I’m him, I’m resigning and hoping some other team picks me up than get branded as the guy who designed their analysis programs.

  40. Chuck H says:

    Man, if we can’t hit this high ERA bloke, we can’t hit anyone. We have just stopped hitting, PERIOD. From Aug. 1 on, the Bucs have nosedived to the bottom of the sea and
    no-one knows why for sure. My guess is the pressure and excitement of the chase to make it to the wild card team of record. The Pirates need an owner who will spend some money to acquire some major league ball players-players who want to win. This team finds ways to lose ball games. The leaders find ways to win games. Bad all-around team, these Pirates.

  41. Jason81 says:

    Oh, that Josh Harrison, what a spark plug, you know, when he’s not running the team out of an inning.

  42. Eric Bowser says:

    How many times this year, do we need to watch our players get thrown out like that?

    Hurdle and his staff are part of the problem.

  43. The endless bad things happening to this team since early August are bordering on legendary right now. Someone seriously pissed off the baseball gods on this team to have such a tremendous collapse. As fans, this is one of those horrible honor type things that years from now we will be saying I stayed with that team even though they were the first AND ONLY team to be so far over .500 with a month and a half left to go below .500 at the end. I personally hope they still get on a roll and finish over, but that is what it is feeling like at this point. I will be heading home to the Burgh for the final 6 games, so I hope I can take in 6 winners. Come On Buccos!!

  44. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought the Queen was sitting on the throne. Or are we talking about someone other than Queen Elizabeth? I have no position on the balls thing.

  45. bobhasis says:

    I’m sorry I missed that play; my eyes dropped to my knitting which is far more interesting than Pirate baseball, but I’ll suppose Mr. Leyva was involved – or JHay was just a tad too aggressive.

    On another topic; not only is NH incompetent, but arrogant and abrasive. I’ll await the upper management response if any backbone exists anywhere there.

  46. That is exactly what happens when you don’t throw strikes – 2 run homers after lead off walks. 2-0 in the 4th and the Bucs are NOT hitting again.

  47. It would be nice to see pitchers even romotely care about running down the first base line when they hit grounders. McPherson was already trying to take his batting gloves off while running to first and slowly at that. At least make some attempt to make the fielder hurry.

  48. BarryVanBonilla says:


    How did I deflect it? I heard the interview. If you have no problem, with the job he’s done, he did a great job. If you do, not such a great job.

    As for motive, I don’t think I was coy in the least so that there would be any questioning of my agenda. I want them gone, yesterday. I wish I could effect it myself, but that’s Bob Nutting’s call.

    Now that my “motive” is clear, I’ll just say my facts are solid. Whether they’re good enough for you really isn’t my concern. If anybody in Neal Huntington’s shop wants to question them, send them here. I’m more than ready.

    They don’t need defenders. They can do it themselves. It’s a pity they don’t have the guts to take on legitimate criticism, but instead feel the need to try and troll their critics in the most ham handed ways possible.

  49. Milo Hamilton says:

    BarryVanBonilla is our very own “Deep Throat”.

  50. Milo Hamilton says:

    All The Best Management Team In Baseball’s Men.

  51. Ballgame, and then some with this sorry offense.

  52. Eric Bowser says:

    Can someone remind me because I can’t seem to recall, is BVB a current or former Pirates employee?

  53. JMB says:

    If they’re going to collapse, it might as well be historic.

    It’s time for BNut to get out the broom and start sweeping.

  54. Milo Hamilton says:


    DK has said that he’s someone in a position to know of what he speaks. And that’s good enough for me.

    DK: Actually, Milo, I think BVB has done a good enough job himself of making that case. He’s been straightforward about the degree to which he knows people.

  55. Drew71 says:

    Since “pathetic” and “wretched” are taken by others, I wanna come up with my own word.

    Here’s what I’m trying on for size.


    What do you think?

    Whatever I pick, just remember. It’s mine. MINE.

  56. JRay3 says:

    @ Drew – I nominate woeful for this woebegone franchise.

    This season can’t end soon enough, but unfortunately there are so many questions it is tough to feel good about the future unless the org hire some competent baseball minds.

  57. bobhasis says:

    Drew, use this one if you choose – WOEFEEOUS

  58. JMB says:

    I was looking at some GM candidates and found this link from last yr:

    “Kyle … is mature beyond his years with an ability to communicate with people from all walks of life. … He has a strong sense of self and is confident but humble. …”

    It’s funny to read these quotes after his email leaked.

  59. Milo Hamilton says:

    “…with an ability to communicate with people from all walks of life…”.

    Motorcycle gangs included.

  60. Eric Bowser says:

    Wife takes the tv to watch Real Housewives of New York and I didn’t even argue, lol. This season has been an epic collapse, just when I thought my fire for baseball was rekindled because of the success in June and July combined with my son playing t-ball this year and him enjoying the games at PNC Park.

    My sports dream at the moment is Chuck Greenberg putting together an ownership group that would include Ron Burkle, Mario Lemieux, Fuhrer family, Michael Keaton, Chip Ganassi and other small investors.

  61. BarryVanBonilla says:


    I neither a current nor former Pirates’ employee. I happen to have long-time present and past friends in the organization, among former players, in the baseball and legal community so that I am exposed to an unusually large cross-section of people who have ongoing contact with the situation. All I am doing is putting what I see together, matching it up with what I read and drawing my own conclusions. I happen to trust my own judgment and ability to sift facts. If people find it compelling or interesting, great. If they don’t, there is nothing I can do about it.

    What I resent is management’s pattern of attempting to cast doubt on the credibility of anybody who criticizes them, usually by sending out sympathizers to trash critics, or trolling here, as they have been doing since Dejan’s piece ran. Does anybody else find it interesting that people who had never posted before appeared like fairies in a glen in the middle of the night to defend management.

    At some point, this becomes an issue of right and wrong. While I had reservations about them when they were hired, they had a good plan. Even when they didn’t execute as well as I might have liked, I gave them the benefit of the doubt. But when they treated people I am fond of poorly, and I started hearing that there were serious substantive issues (even before some of Dejan’s recent pieces) and it became clear that the people I know who work there aren’t listened to and are worried they’ll be fired if they try to encourage an internal dialogue with the autocrats who run the baseba operation, then it becomes much easier to get on a soapbox and speak up.

    I wish more people who have far more detailed information than I would take Dejan’s encouragement from several days ago and speak out. They aren’t in a position to retaliate under present circumstances, and it might give Bob Nutting some more facts with which to work. Because if he wants truth now, I fear he’ll have to call people at home and assure them their jobs are safe. I’m sure he’s getting an earful from around the game. U hope he’s getting it at 115 Federal Street as well.

  62. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Sorry for the typos. Mobile posting is a little ragged at times.

  63. Milo Hamilton says:

    Every guy the Mets are bringing out of their bullpen (that I’ve never heard of) throws at least 95 mph.

  64. Eric Bowser says:

    @BVB – I appreciate the further explanation, trust me, you probably don’t know who I am but I am the last person to belief a syllable coming from that franchise about anything.

  65. Eric Bowser says:

    Oh man, I have a REALLY good idea who BVB could be but I won’t speculate here.

  66. Eric Bowser says:

    Pedro Alvarez in April, May and September….ugh

    Now, somehow, someway, Pedro needs to figure out what he did in June, July and August and work on that all winter.

  67. BarryVanBonilla says:

    No, you don’t. :-) I’m not a “name” of any kind, and my name would mean absolutely nothing if you heard it.

  68. Eric Bowser says:

    I thought it was pretty funny the first time seeing Travis Snider posting a picture of him eating a huge prime rib on a road trip and then recently, he did it again. I’m just guessing here, maybe his injury problems are the result of poor eating habits.

    …just saying.

  69. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates can be mathematically eliminated tomorrow.

    DK: From the second wild card? Wow, hadn’t even thought of that.

  70. JMB says:


    7-2 (778) to finish the season? I won’t be holdin’ my breath.

  71. BarryVanBonilla says:


    Just noticed post #39. I’m a big fan of stats, especially when they’re used as part of a hybridized scouting system that is capable of placing the stats in the context of a broader assessment of a player that includes the use of eyeballs. Preferably, such a system would be used by people who are capable of identifying a good ballplayer when I saw one.

    I would seriously consider keeping Fox. He is a resource, if he works with people who actually know what they’re doing.

  72. Arriba Wilver says:

    BVB–are you suggesting, directly or indirectly, that I’m an FO plant? Didn’t question for one second your facts, and agree with Milo that your bona fides to be in a position to know the facts you have discussed being supported by DK is good enough for me. In fact, I said they supported what I thought seeing things from the outside.

    But “They don’t need defenders. They can do it themselves. It’s a pity they don’t have the guts to take on legitimate criticism, but instead feel the need to try and troll their critics in the most ham handed ways possible” seems a bit over the top in response to my comments.

  73. Eric Bowser says:

    @BVB – Well, I guess that eliminates that one, lol. It is a bit concerning that the Pirates don’t have a system in place to allow their employees (at all levels) the ability to evaluate their managers. How does anyone know objectively without getting feedback from all levels of the business?

  74. BarryVanBonilla says:

    They might well have one, but I’ve seen no evidence that anybody has used it it feels encouraged to use it. Some organizations I’ve known have them, but unless 360 degree evaluation or reciprocal evaluation is required and enforced, a lot of subordinates are likely to shy away from volunteering to evaluate their supervisors. In Stark’s case, I see no evidence whatsoever that dissent is tolerated, much less encouraged.

  75. BarryVanBonilla says:


    No, I did not suggest that. I’ve seen you’re posts here for a while. I was referring to the people who appeared out of the blue Friday night.

  76. Eric Bowser says:

    @BVB – Stark’s management and oversight style probably explains why they fired former minor league manager Matt Walbeck.

  77. Thundercrack says:

    The lack of a key, clutch hit is killing this team. Runners in scoring position each of the first 3 innings and nothing. It could have changed the game.

    I saw McPherson pitch at home last week. I don’t remember him throwing as hard as he did tonight.

  78. Eric Bowser says:

    The Pirates are so bad right now, no one even wants to talk about them.

    Where are the front office minions?

  79. Reading says:

    Not sure if anybody has said this before, but FC, NH, KS, & BH are the best management team in not only baseball, but in all of sports.

  80. Eric Bowser says:

    Reading – Greatest of all-time, I mean really, what is MLB and Hall Of Fame waiting for to get these guys into Cooper’s Town.

  81. BarryVanBonilla says:

    One thing that I want to point out is that in any major sports market, you have quite a few people who know somebody who works with a local sports franchise. When something goes wrong, word gets out. When people inside lack a safe means, especially in a weak economy, of expressing frustration, they’ll look for other ways to do it, whether the media or friends who have access to the media.

    Dejan was rather clear the other evening in making it clear that getting people on the record is hard work. Some people seem to be relying on that reality to question the credibility of the reporting, or of claims made by non-journalists who post. That is disingenuous, to put it mildly. You intimidate people into remaining silent, and attack any reporting that attempts to make sense of what is available. You claim it is unfounded, you call it speculation and use your authority and position to try to manage the news.

    If people thought about it, the story really isn’t as hard to divine. I left my first post Wednesday night, two days before Dejan’s article on the Stark e-mails. I was not one of his sources. And yet, if you go back and look at that post, without having any idea of what he planned to write, I mentioned several aspects of the story he wrote–the militarism, the e-mails, the morale issues and other things that he didn’t report on.

    When people reach the same conclusions from independent and identical facts, very likely from different sources, that should confer some credibility on the situation in general.

  82. Reading says:

    The HOF is waiting for Commissioner Bud to award TBMTIB the Historic Achievement Award for 20 straight sub 500 seasons plus the 16 games over to 10 games under sub-medal.

  83. Eric Bowser says:

    @BVB – agreed 100%. There are more who want to tell their story but can’t go on the record to give the full effect for fear of their jobs and very fact that information is coming out from more than one source, it should ring louder than those on Federal Street acting worse than Baghdad Bob.

  84. BarryVanBonilla says:

    One more point. One of the things that has struck me is the remarkable consistency of opinions from former players, both those who have coached and others who have not. Given a choice between believing Neal Huntington about whether Kyle Stark is the visionary they seem to want us to believe he is, and people who have played the game and coached it for decades (even a number of who have embraced Sabermetrics), I’ll take the guys who played and coached every time over the visionary with his slew of consultants and slogans.

  85. Reading says:

    Breaking News: MLB is pleased to announce the creation of the “Hoka Hey” Trophy to be awarded annually beginning in 2012 to the team who has the greatest pre to post All Star Game collapse. MLB further announces that the names of TBMTIB are being permanently engraved on the Trophy.

  86. Eric Bowser says:

    OMG, sports world about to explode.

    Did you just see that horrible TD call by refs in endzone and then to rule TD after replay.

    Holy cow

  87. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Sorry for my vehemence. I’ve been a fan since the 1960s, and having met Joe Brown and Syd Thrift, Pete Peterson, Cam Bonifay, Dave Littlefield and this group, we are going downhill sideways at alarming speed. Peterson lost his way, and while Huntngton represented an improvement over his immediate predecessors in several respects, the damage done as a result of both the culture and the callowness and incompetence of some of his hires has brought him right back to the pack. We are blaming the curse of the wrong “Syd” for our misfortune. The firing of Std Thrift by the consortium was the beginning of the decline. That was almost a quarter-century ago. Bob Nutting has a golden opportunity to bring in quality professionals, people such as those brought in by Texas and Tampa Bay, to do this properly, for the first time since Joe Brown had do come back and hire Thrift to save the franchise from the rot of 1985.

  88. Eric Bowser says:

    Jerry Meals says TD!!!

    Wow that was worse than last year’s blown call by Jerry Meals because NFL had replay.

  89. Eric Bowser says:

    @BVB – Not a problem, we’re all sick of the losing. Have you heard if there’s been any talk of some of the locals or someone on national level to put in an offer to Nutting that he can’t refuse? I know the Fuhrer family had interest to put a group together prior to McClatchy leaving and we know Burkle/Lemieux had interest.

  90. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Not a single credible report of an offer. I asked Cuban once if there was any chance, and he told me that they are absolutely adamant about refusing to sell. I don’t see it in the near or medium term. In the long term, of course, they and we are all dead. But the streak lives on. Whenever I get seriously bummed, I remember that I’m not a Cubs fan. At least there is video of our last world series victory.

  91. John Lease says:

    Eesh, another pathetic loss, with our AA starting pitcher.

    It’s like the Pirates WANT to lose.

  92. PgherinLev says:

    Just wanted to mention how intriguing and enjoyable I find your insightful posts. And thanks for further explaining your bona fides. I didn’t question them after DK vouched for you in the E-mail thread, but I sure was curious!

  93. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Thanks. The thing is, I’m not all that unique in that a lot of people have knowledge of what is happening, most far more than I. I know for a fact that many of them are as upset or even more so, and yet nobody seems to want to go public. I fear quarantining laptops will have a further chilling effect. Very interested to see what happens. Even if there is no more news from within, the losses keep piling up and it would take a 7-2 finish to assure a winning season. I can’t imagine that is what Bob Nutting had in mind in July, nor when he paid out a boatload of money in 2009 for a draft that looks to be a near total bust.

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