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Final: Pirates 10, Mets 6

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (75-78) vs. New York Mets (70-83)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Citi Field, New York

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score. Karen Price is on the scene.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. New York RHP Collin McHugh

  1. Alex Presley, LF
  2. Josh Harrison, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Rod Barajas, C
  9. Wandy Rodriguez, LHP


  1. Milo Hamilton says:

    Greg Brown has lost his mind.

    DK: Do tell.

  2. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s on The Fan right now. Talking about not making changes because the next guy will have a new 5 year plan yada, yada. Same talking points as Sunday.

    The losing has clearly gotten to him.

  3. Inquiring minds want to know, Milo!

  4. Milo Hamilton says:

    Another talking point I’m noticing is that the front office seems hell bent on pinning this on James McDonald. I’ve now heard Hurdle, Huntington & Brown all throw him under the bus in some shape or form.

    Sure he deserves blame. He’s been awful. But this is starting to smell.

    DK: I’ve heard it, too. Mind if I steal your idea and tweet about it?

  5. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – “the losing has clearly gotten to him”

    Well I guess we should give Greg Brown a break…since ’94 when joining the Pirates broadcast team he has called the games of a team that has gone 1295-1704.

    On average the Bucs record in the seasons he has called games is 68-94 .420.

    He has witnessed 2 100+ loss seasons and 8 90+ loss seasons he has never called a team that has finished .500.

    He is working with his sixth manager since he was brought on.

    And somehow he has to sell the excitement of Pirates baseball on TV/Radio and off-season caravans, could be toughest job out there.

  6. Milo Hamilton says:


    I steal enough of yours. Go right ahead.

  7. LuckyNKentucky says:

    McDonald is this season’s Charlie Morton. Hero to Scapegoat. The only trouble is, when JMac came apart at the seams, everyone else did, too. Morton was up and down all last season. That Steeler rant on the podcast was telling, too. Should be an interesting next 14 weeks.

  8. JRay3 says:

    Couldn’t be that Hurdle, Huntington and company were so steadfast at letting Bedard pitch about 10 starts to many, or removing Correia when the team had won five consecutive games he had started and 9 of the last 11 he pitched.

    Couldn’t be that Huntington refused to address the deficiencies in the corner OF position all year or that nobody found a C that could throw out a base runner or a lead off hitter with a semi-decent OBP.

    Couldn’t be the managers in game management decisions, reckless use of a pitching staff and inability to motivate a team that was 16 above .500 and in the thick of a playoff race and weeding out the problems.

    Yeah let’s pin this all on J-Mac because without him we may have had a similar first half and be the Houston Astros.


  9. Just listening to the podcast and Jack Wilson, would be funny, yet disastrous, if Before the Pirates even have a winning season, that two of the guys traded recently – Jack Wilson and Freddie Sanchez win World Series rings before the Bucs win. Jack could win one if Atlanta wins it all.

  10. Milo Hamilton says:

    When asked what the turning point of the season was, Brown brought up McDonald’s start in Milwaukee the 1st game back from the all star break.

    They won 10 of 14 after that game.

    DK: Cesspool.

  11. patrick(RI) says:

    A comment in honor of J.Wilson: while I would not pay $ to watch this Pirate team, I would pay for Lexus seats to watch Jack & Freddy play middle infield — that was pure fun, win or lose!

  12. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s Tuesday pirate fans, you know what that means. Son’s Of Anarchy !

  13. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Was Jack Wilson the last Pirate player to officially go on record as saying he’d like to play his entire career here?

  14. Eric Bowser says:

    I heard the Brown interview on 93.7 The Fan on the way home from work.

    WOW, can you say clueless.

    I have to head out to soccer practice for my son…. when I get back…. the internet tongue lashing will commence.

  15. Reading says:

    The turning point can be traced back to 2009 and the Kendall-Kerwin Incident. The Pirates have not had a winning season since.

  16. Drew71 says:

    Eric, good point but your spelling stinks. There’s not “ue” in “class”

  17. LuckyNKentucky says:

    The real turning point was when the Pirates exercised the option on Perry Hill and he opted to sit out the entire season without Jack and Freddie. Did they have to pay him for that season? We went from first to worst in D, didn’t we?

    What exactly did Brown say, other than this is all JMac’s fault?

  18. 21sthebest says:

    I’ve never been interested in Brown’s analysis of the team and not sure why people are surprisd. First of all, as we all know, he’s basically an employee. I think he calls the game pretty well, but this is a guy that still doesn’t get some of the basic rules like the infield fly and when running out of the baseline is an issue. He doesn’t seem to understand the situational nature of baseball like when you send a guy from second to home on a single and how it may depend on the inning, score, runner’s speed, number of outs, who’s on deck, and the outfielder’s arm.

    I’m not seeing this throwing of McDonald under the bus. First of all, he has been beyond awful. Whether or not he should be criticized in public is a matter of opinion, but look at his second half stats. He’s part of the problem and that seems to be what they’re saying.

  19. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Granted, JMac has been awful, but he’s had plenty of company lately. We’re just not a good team right now, but I thought we were good enough for 85 wins or so. But I’ve only been watching baseball about 55 years, so what do I know?

  20. Matt says:


    “He’s had plenty of company lately”. You are correct in that evaluation, but words cannot express the extremity of that statement! They have been SO putrid that it almost makes you wonder if it is intentional. I have never seen a team play so inconsistent in any sport.

  21. Milo Hamilton says:

    If Starling Marte isn’t hurt, I can’t for the life of me understand why he isn’t playing. These games can be valuable experience for a young guy like him.

    I just don’t get it.

  22. Pat4Pgh says:

    I am NOT blaming the players, but it may be somewhat intentional….

    When the trade deadline came and went and the incumbent players saw the confidence the FO put in them – Wandy (average at best) and two minor leaguers plus the Casey/Qualls move, may be the got the message that Neal shared with us earlier in the week … “We aren’t this good, we should only be 8 games over and THE PLAN does NOT call for the PBC to win this year” … “Keep playing, but we won;t be dispappointed about the final won/loss record.”.

    Hurdle then calls his “you ain’t GMs and you ain’t Managers meeting” further telling the players no one cares about the final record.

    Finally, we have the Chapman incident, leaving JMac in to lose a 7-1 lead and all of Hurdle’s other blunders.

    The team (players) have to be tired of the FO’s lack of interest in the big league club, Hurdle’s cliche filled diatribes and the lousy ingame coachin gthey are getting and conclude … if they don’t care, why should I?

    Again, I am NOT blaming the players! I also KNOW that there was someone on the grassy knoll in Dallas that November day…….I look for conspiracies as they make conversations more interesting.

    Frank, Neal (Kyle & Greg) and Clint (plus his coaches) all need to go ASAP – yesterday would have been great!

  23. Arriba Wilver says:

    Maybe Neal treats Brownie better than DL and McClatchy did. Makes more sense than “5 more Years” and JMac being the cause of the collapse. But say for the sake of argument JMac was the problem and it started right after the All Star break. Who were the geniuses who messed with the rotation for right after the All Star break making JMac essentially the Ace? Certainly Hurdle and Neal were part of that and had the most say. Gotta know your personnel. He obviously wasn’t ready to be in that role, and it’s not like we all didn’t know his head was certainly potentially an issue. Didn’t they? Did he just forget how to pitch? If Pedro moving to cleanup is an issue, why not JMac being the designated Ace? Just saying (although “cesspool” seems a bit harsh).

  24. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Good points, AW. Some people aren’t ready for unofficial leadership status. Maybe never will be.

  25. Milo Hamilton says:

    Alex Presley says that overall he’s happy with his season because the team is winning.

    Huh ? Not much going on there, is there.

  26. Thundercrack says:

    I brought this up before. I like Ray Searage, but whenever a hitter stinks everyone calls for the batting coach to be fired.

    When JMac stinks start after start, I don’t hear a peep about Searage.

  27. Milo Hamilton says:

    When did Jordy Mercer retire ?

  28. Thundercrack says:

    “All this other stuff is deliberate, orchestrated distraction. And it’s nonsense”

    DK, I saw that this is part of your post on sulia. Do you think Greg Brown was told to start talking about ‘another 5 year plan’ by his employers? Do you think this is something that NH told him? Do you think that Brown is doing it because he doesn’t want NH to lose his job?

  29. 21sthebest says:

    And Searage seems to be avoiding criticism regarding the stealing against us.

    DK: Searage might not have a choice.

  30. 21sthebest says:

    Jones didn’t come out of our minor league system! Worst base runner I’ve ever seen. Challenging Nyjer.

  31. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Do we really need to hear this much about some New York Met’s blog posting? Could this be BMTIB’s surrogate response through Greg Brown to so much negative blogging and media here in Pittsburgh?

  32. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    I would’ve sent Harrison on that double. What do we really have to lose at this point?

  33. Reading says:

    Quoting from McHugh’s Blog entries really adds to the quality of the broadcast.

  34. Reading says:

    Pedro oppo blast. Need about 45 of those next year.

  35. Pedro going oppo! Nice pick up of Jonesy. 4-0 Good Guys. Add On!!

  36. Reading says:

    Nice to see Pedro hit one out in front of his family and friends.

  37. RobertoForever says:

    Boom! And Pedro hits a 3-run HR. Bucs after getting a lead on a groundout to CF (score that!), Pedro’s 3 run HR pushes it to 4 runs.

  38. Matt says:


    I understand your frustration with the FO and I share your frustrations. I wouldn’t be so sure however that the players left after the trade deadline wish they still had McGehee, Sutton and especially Lincoln (i loved his attitude when he stared down Thome). Maybe we shouldn’t have done anything. I maybe shouldn’t have accused them (players) of doing this intentionally, but maybe they quit playing hard because of attitude. (Again, big difference between Lincoln’s take no prisoner attitude and what we are seeing now). Just my thoughts.:) Go Buccos

  39. Reading says:

    With the Elimination Number being 2, at least make the Cardinals earn it by winning. Stave off the losses.

    Hoka Hey!

  40. T.S. says:

    Pedro’s homerun was nice. But it’s too little too late.

  41. RobertoForever says:

    Bucs now have a second 30-HR guy. Been a while since we had that power combo.

  42. Arriba Wilver says:

    Reading–I second your #36 post.

  43. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice shutdown inning.

  44. T.S. says:


    I hear Eric Fryer is going to be guest bartender in PNC’s HOF Club on their last homestand.

  45. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Pedro giveth and Wandy taketh away.

  46. Reading says:

    Well, at least we had a 4-run lead for about 2 batters. Correction, now 4-3.

    Now, this is the kind of AGGRESSIVE FAILURE that KS is talking about!!!!!!!!!

    Hoka Hey!

  47. WTF Wandy!!!! They give you a gift 4-0 lead, and now this crap. 4-3 lead now.

  48. JMB says:

    One pitch at a time.

  49. Reading says:

    Averaging 3 Runs per every 4 batters is an underrated advanced Metric.

  50. Pat4Pgh says:


    Yes, I am frustrated with the FO! Also Wandy ATM – 2 homers, 3 runs and no outs!

    Anyway, I am not arguing for Lincoln or Magehee versus those added.

    One point is that the losing started shortly (1 week) after the trade deadline, the Chapman pitch and Hurdle’s meeting…..I see these as connected. The Pirates prior to that point were the Little Engine that Could (I think I can, I think I can)…after that point they are the little engine that cannot! Huntington, directly or indirectly, told them he didn’t think they could and, supported by Hurdle, the engine shut down……

    I know it is s reach, but……lacking anything else…..and I won’t believe anything the PBC tells me ever again (or at least as long as Neal is employed)…it is my best guess/theory….

  51. Arriba Wilver says:

    Talking about the home runs got me to looking at the Pirates’ home run hitters. Interesting, and sometimes surprising, list:

    1. Stargell
    2. Kiner
    3. Clemente (a bit of a surprise)
    4. Bonds
    5. Parker
    6. Giles
    7. Thomas
    8. Bay
    9. Maz (also a bit of a surprise)
    10. Kevin Young (would have been a bigger surprise without the reminder today how long he was a Pirate)

  52. The Gunner says:

    Wandy stinks tonight (so far)

  53. John Lease says:

    The sad thing is, this is so predictable. Lead? Squander! Getting blown out? Go down meekly. 4 losses to Armageddon.

  54. John Lease says:

    I would pay someone handsomely to tell Greg Brown to shut the H up.

  55. The Gunner says:

    Hurdle looks absolutely DISGUSTED

  56. Milo Hamilton says:


    11. Al Oliver

    My favorite player. If not for steroids, he’s still in the top 10.

  57. T.S. says:


    Don’t feel bad for Hurdle. He contributed greatly to this collapse.

  58. T.S. says:

    Hilarious. Met announcer said Rod Barajas, the former Met, having a typical year. Mentioned the .282 OBP first. LOL.

  59. pattonbb says:

    Greg Brown’s opinions shouldn’t surprise anyone. He’s an employee. He calls a nice game, but I don’t give two shakes of a lamb’s tail what he thinks the direction of this franchise should be. When has any team’s announcer been critical of their GM? They’re just trying to circle the wagons.

    Good luck to Huntington and whoever else may be shown the door. Change is good. Change is coming.

    Lets Go Bucs….

  60. The Gunner says:

    @ T. S. – 57

    I didn’t say I feel bad for Hurdle, TS. Epic Collapse II has certainly been a TEAM EFFORT and Hurdle is part of the team.

    I am pretty sure we’ll have a new manager, GM etc. to pick on in 2013. Too bad we can’t get a new owner.

  61. T.S. says:


    I second that.

  62. Eric Bowser says:

    Greg Brown appears on 93.7 FM The Fan this evening and is asked by Joe Starkey, why would it be another five year building plan if Huntington is fired.

    In typical fashion when a person is debating from a point of weakness, a losing perspective, Brown says he’ll respond with a question of his own back at Starkey, on why not.

    Starkey says because they already have some pieces in place and need to make a few moves to continue the plan.

    Brown then starts to sound like a blithering idiot, aka Pirates team employee, and can’t piece together anything that would resemble a legitimate and coherent argument that debates the high ground position, a leveraged situation and of course, a team employee since 1994 can’t figure out a way to acknowledge WHY the fan base might feel this way.

    Then Brown is asked to explain where it all went wrong and though he can’t pin point an exact time, he continues the team mandate to blame this on James McDonald.

    That’s right, let’s blame ONE player who pitched every five days.

    Let’s not blame the GM, let’s not blame the manager, let’s not blame a position player, let’s not blame the pitching coach and dear goodness don’t even dare to blame the owner.

    Accountability is something most quality businessmen demand, anyone who has managed people, knows you have nothing without a guiding set of principles that define you, that define your organization, that define your reputation.

    If the Pirates put more effort into their business than worrying about what Dejan Kovacevic wrote, or what I type here, or what anyone says about them…. then maybe this once proud franchise is turning the corner.

    But it won’t, it never will.

    The team has been mismanaged since Nutting started to get involved in 2003 and years before that under McClatchy. I do not buy the passion this man has for the Pirates, has for baseball, has for WINNING.

    Bob Nutting had the opportunity to set the tone prior to the season with Coonelly’s DUI arrest and instead of holding Frank the Tanked accountable, he thought it was a good idea to hide the news, to not divulge the wretched conduct of his top Pirates employee.

    The Pirates want to throw McDonald under the bus, sure go ahead and he sucked in the second half of the season but if you want to criticize a player, any player, then taking responsibility for the decisions that lead to the collapse better be on your agenda as a manager, as a leader.

    Do you think Andrew McCutchen was thrilled to see the Pirates fail to get some protection in front (leadoff hitter) or behind (#4/5 hitter)? How many players laughed when they heard Chad Qualls was joining the bullpen?

    The actions by Nutting, Coonelly, Huntington, Hurdle, Stark, and Brown are that of losers and not winners.


  63. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    I wonder if anyone ever told Kyle Stark that it’s debatable whether Crazy Horse or Red Cloud was the better Sioux warrior. Maybe he should check his history beyond wikipedia and he’d see Red Cloud was actually more successful.

    “Interestingly, this concept extends far beyond the Sioux territories. It’s been discovered to be a key quality of elite warrior civilizations throughout history regardless of race, religion, or geographic location – a universally recognized attitude that enhances high stakes performance by prompting warriors to fight freely without fear of consequences.”

    I’d really like to hear his reasoning on that one. From a historical and an anthropological perspective, it’s laughable to claim something like that without even citing a source. He’d be shunned from the academic community in a heartbeat. And I’m sure Crazy Horse (and all Lakotas) would be happy to know that Crazy Horse might have coined the phrase, but NH’s minions were the first to truly understand it.

  64. T.S. says:

    Lot’s of Pirates busting out the “Z” tonite. Ironic that the last few weeks have been filled with zzzzzzz

  65. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Just so we don’t have to start from scratch with the players. Some of us would like to see a winning team in our lifetimes. We have a decent core, but after that, it’s slim. Some good pitching coming, but after that, slim.

  66. Milo Hamilton says:

    Red Cloud in the morning, Custer’s warning.

  67. Reading says:

    Nice stand up three bagger by J-Hay! Almost got that 4-run lead back.

  68. T.S. says:

    I’m not surprised one bit by Greg Brown’s idiotic take. Does anyone know exactly how he pathetically phrased the throwing-of-J-Mac-under-the-bus comment?

  69. Reading says:

    Time and tide and a Gaby DP to kill a rally wait for no man.

  70. Milo Hamilton says:


    Read post #10.

  71. Matt says:


    I cannot disagree with your last post. As a fellow Bucco fan, I wish we could have our voices and frustrations heard. I feel like a Cub fan saying “maybe next year”.

  72. Reading says:

    Alternatively, death, taxes, and a rally-killing Gaby DP- the great constants in life.

  73. RobertoForever says:

    Guess its not so predictable tonight.

    Bucs with another 3 runs already in the top of the 2nd. Now leading 7-3. Could be a 16-11 game tonight.

  74. Thundercrack says:

    OK so Greg Brown blames JMac. But can someone give me some instances where others on the team have blamed him?

    I think there were a lot of reasons, mainly with players. And I think he is definitely near the top of the list. Not only him, but he has pitched nowhere near like the first half.

  75. Reading says:

    May I suggest #piratesfanadvisor as a place to provide valuable input to the BMTIB.

  76. T.S. says:



  77. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo–at #56–I hear you and agree with you. Probably even #9 on the list, but definitely on a “true” list.

  78. T.S. says:


    I live in Chicago. Cubs fans are insufferable.

  79. RobertoForever says:

    Anyone shocked by the 3 runs that any Pirates pitcher gives up in a 1st inning, hasn’t been watching closely.

    1st inning has the highest ERA for Wandy, and without checking, I am sure several other of the Pirates starters.

  80. The Gunner says:

    I think JMac may have some form of the Steve Blass / Rick Ankiel disorder. Throw in a little Ian Snell, too.

    He’s a problem and cannot be counted on for 2013, IMHO.

  81. RobertoForever says:

    And Gaby settles down for a 1-2-3 inning in the bottom of the 2nd.

    Pirates lead 7-3, top of the 3rd with Pedro up first.

  82. The Gunner says:

    @ RF – 81

    Yeah, Gaby pitched real good

  83. Arriba Wilver says:

    Good for Joe asking Brownie the question. It’s a ridiculous, unsupportable position (5 more years as the alternative to keeping NH).

  84. T.S. says:

    If anyone is interested. WSJ lists Blass and Brown as 2nd most “homer” announcer team. As Blass would say, “Put a circle around that.”

  85. RobertoForever says:


    Might want to lighten up. The Bucs are winning.

  86. Brad, Indiana PA says:


    Bob Pompeanni had a similar sentiment regarding another 5 year plan that he mentioned this weekend on 93.7- “don’t give me that,” was pretty much his response.

  87. Reading says:

    Based upon WS heroics, I give Blass a pass.

  88. The Gunner says:

    @ AW – 83

    They must have been hard up to have Homer Brown on that show. Why don’t they get Perry Hill on the show? I bet he’d tell it like it is rather than perfume the pig a la Brown.

  89. Reading says:

    Nice hustle there Turner. JR probably doesn’t get a reversal there.

  90. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yeah, Gunner, the Pirates are 5/18’s of the way to a win. Sorry, the quality start is out the window. :-)

  91. The Gunner says:

    @ RF – 85

    Will do, sir.


    @ Reading – 87

    Blass was pretty good in his day for sure. It was tragic when things went south for him. JMac will never come close to what Blass accomplished over the course of his career.

    JMac is a mess in every which way there is!

  92. Arriba Wilver says:

    JMO–it’s one thing to be a homer, but what Brown has done is he has dropped all pretense of any even fake objectivity. He’s become an advocate for an individual, and deserves all the criticism that comes his way because of it. Blass is different, in lots of ways.

  93. T.S. says:


    I’m happy for his WS success. Really.

    But trying to listen to the guy is like nails on the chalkboard. He constantly makes obscure references about baseball from the 60s and 70s, which the younger viewing audience can’t relate to (and probably would rather hear game-related commentary). But what’s even more grating are his use of cliche after cliche: put a circle around that, we got on the other side of that, it was a feel-good play… . Ugh.

  94. The Gunner says:

    @ AW – 92

    Brown may get the pink slip, too before it’s all over. I can take or leave him really. There are 3 voices of the Pirates: Rosey Rowswell, Bob Prince, and Lanny Frattare.

    Brown is just an announcer.

  95. T.S. says:

    Correction on #93, I meant to say -isms instead of cliches, or something to that effect.

  96. The Gunner says:

    @ T. S. – 93

    I personally like Blass but I know what you are saying. The older fans connect with Blass but I am sure the younger ones think he needs new material.

  97. JAL says:

    As The Gunner says, Brown just an announcer, to the best of my knowledge he does make the decisions.

  98. RobertoForever says:


    Not yet. Wandy is not “on pace” for a quality start, but 3 more scoreless innings and he will get one.

    Keep trying, you might get that quality start parsing down yet.

  99. JAL says:

    left out a not, Brown does not make decisions

  100. The Gunner says:

    Wandy has bounced back from a rather lousy start. Let’s hope he can keep it up for a few more innings.

  101. T.S. says:


    Spot on.

  102. Reading says:


    I guess I like Blass for the same reasons that you don’t like Blass. Being 49 years old, the early 70s Pirates, especially the 1971 team, wete my heroes. I love the stories about Murtaugh and Clemente and Stargell. Also, I attended one of his first baseball camps at Kiski and got to see first hand that he is a first-class individual. So, I am biased in his favor, ans that may cause me to overlook some of the things that might annoy others.

  103. T.S. says:


    I respect what you’re saying. I’m 43. If his ‘sayings’ weren’t so overused, I might appreciate some of his blasts from the past.

  104. T.S. says:

    The announcer I really enjoy is Bob Walk. He is a wealth of baseball knowledge.

  105. Reading says:

    Now, as a PSU grad and a Steelees fan, I must say that although I like J. Ham, his constant use of the phrase “without a doubt” during Penn State football radio broadcasts can be somewhat annoying.

  106. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto–I don’t really pay much attention to the “quality start” pace stuff. it’s a meaningless statistic to me, at least until the 6th inning is over, and even then I think it is a loser mentality statistic, or maybe one just for the pitcher’s agent. Personally, I think we as Pirate fans started looking at it to try to find something good when we really really stunk. Never made much of a difference in the record one way or the other.

    How’d you like that 5/18’s stat on winning? You going to adopt it?

  107. T.S. says:

    Really liked DK’s radio show today. I hope he does more of it. Nice that he shoots straight from the hip.

  108. Milo Hamilton says:


    Or when he starts each sentence with “I tell ya …”

  109. Reading says:

    I do like the Pitt basketball and Steelers’ radio broadcasts.

  110. Just throwing out my own opinion here to maybe get some other thoughts. I was wandering who I would bring in as alumni to try and turn around some bad fundamentals of this team. Here is my thinking (and be gentle in your critiques):

    Baserunning/Base Stealing instructor – Tony Womack and/or Omar Moreno
    Outfield Instructor – Andy Van Slyke
    Infield Instructor – Spring Training always Maz; Season – Jay Bell
    Hitting Instructor – any of the following – Mike Easler/Dave Parker/Bill Madlock/John Wehner
    Pitching Coach – Teke, Bob Walk, or Doug Drabek
    Catching Coach – Spanky or Sluggo or Tony Pena

    Any thoughts?

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    Reading–I’m with you on Blass, for many of the same reasons. He was a baseball hero, and he was a character, always. One of my favorite players for both those reasons. And he literally stunk when he first started out in broadcasting, but did gradually improve until he became pretty good, I think. I enjoy listening to him. He was always funny. I do think that he may be at the Myron Cope/Jack Fleming stage, though, hard as that is to say. But it has nothing to do with what Brownie is doing now or even the Pirates. It just may be time.

  112. Reading says:

    We need a hit by Wandy here

  113. RobertoForever says:


    Nah, calculating in 18th’s is so 1990’s, lol.

  114. Crappy as this finish has been, the PBC flak headline “Burnett Returns to Big Apple as an Ace” works for me. That man rocks.

  115. RobertoForever says:

    Mets reliever in the top of the 5th goes walk, single, walk, walk.

    Unfortunately, neither Barajas or Barmes could produce an effective out, and Wandy strikes out.

    Pirates push across 1 more, and Bucs are up 8-3 headed to bottom of the 5th.

  116. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto– :-)

  117. Reading says:

    Turner having a rough night.

  118. Reading says:

    Whoa! Nice play by Pedro!

  119. Milo Hamilton says:


    There you go. A quality start for Juan D. Rodriguez. Assuming he’s done, of course.

  120. Thundercrack says:

    I just finished reading Steve Blass’ new autobiography, and enjoyed it a lot.
    I like him a lot and admire him for what he went through and how he ended up.

    But I can’t take him anymore as an announcer. He talks over the play-by-play guy way too much, especially when a critical / exciting play is happening. If it is on radio you have no idea what is happening.

    He also has too many “l would like to send out a greeting to longtime Pirate fan…..” during key parts of the game.

  121. RobertoForever says:

    A quality start indeed. It may be a meaningless stat, but I daresay, as a fan, if you are watching a game where you starting pitcher has made it thru 6 IP with 3 runs or less allowed, its probably a good game to be watching.

  122. diehard says:

    @RF #121 – especially when said pitcher had given up those three runs to the first three batters he faced!

  123. Arriba Wilver says:

    Roberto, so if we lose 3-0 it’s a good game? I’d rather win 12-9, but that’s just me. And the score in the 6th is also kind of meaningless, again, to me. Gotta admit, winning 6-3, though, in the 6th is better than losing 6-3 in the 6th.

  124. RobertoForever says:


    Don’t misread, I said its probably a good game to be watching. Coming up with the worst case scenario and selling it as the probable scenario doesn’t work for me.

    Could be just as easily 3-3 or 3-2. Both of those work for me as well.

  125. Eric Bowser says:

    here we go again…

  126. RobertoForever says:

    Wonder how many people will be killing clint Hurdle for sending Resop and Hughes to the mound with a 5 run lead?

  127. diehard says:

    Anyone want to explain why we’re pitching to David Freaking Wright with two out and first base open? We’re afraid of Scott Hairston?

  128. Wehner blamed this on the bullpen, but if Pedro just goes second to first for the inning ending DP, then those additional 2 runs don’t score.

  129. TCB says:

    It’s never easy with this bullpen. 5 run lead may not be enough.

  130. diehard says:

    Barmes, Barajas, Hughes – or 3 pinch hitters?

  131. JRay3 says:

    @ Arriba Wilver – have to agree so tires of the quality start thing, how about a quality game where the outcome is a victory. Isn’t that what counts in the standings?

    Pedro with a mental mistake in field tagging runner without ball leads to two Mets runs that should not have scored and it now looks like we will have to once again hold on by the seat of our pants.

    Can this team just finish?

  132. JRay3 says:

    Well Barmes and Barajas two guys that have eaten 9M in payroll at their best again…0-7 in a game where we have plated eight.

  133. The Gunner says:

    What a lousy bullpen. Looks like Resop is the guilty party tonight.

  134. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s the “Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance Pet Foods” inning.

  135. JRay3 says:

    Diehard- seven pitches, 3 quick outs should have been three pinch hitters.

  136. RobertoForever says:


    You must have missed Sunday’s game where they were 4 for 10 in a game where 8 were plated.

  137. RobertoForever says:

    Grilli in for the bottom of the 8th to fave Davis, a PH, and Torres.

    Good guys up 8-6

  138. Hurdled says:

    Roberto, wow is it still Sunday?

  139. T.S. says:



  140. JRay3 says:

    @ Roberto Forever – yep watching football great diversion from this mess.

    You have a .226 and .202 hitter if you blink you may miss their few productive games or moments and they have been few.

  141. T.S. says:


    Yours is the best name/handle on here. Perfect. Here’s hoping Neal gets Huntingtoned at season’s end.

  142. Hurdled says:

    But JRay, they had a good game on Sunday. It is still Sunday, right?

  143. Hurdled says:

    T.S. Thank you.

  144. JRay3 says:

    Nice work Grilli, maybe management will blame the collapse on the 8th inning guy going through a stretch where he lost a few notches on the fast ball.

  145. TCB says:

    The Bucs need to resign Grilli.

  146. Arriba Wilver says:

    If I can help Roberto here, true fans will focus only on the one win in the last seven games, or the 3 wins in the last 17.

  147. Reading says:

    An actual save situation. Hopefully, the Hammer can “nail it down!”

  148. T.S. says:

    Can’t believe I’m actually excited at the prospect that Nutting fires NH, KS and the lot of them. Guess you gotta have something to replace the Penguins being on hold.

  149. Milo Hamilton says:

    I choose to focus on Travis Snider’s homerun. And Sons Of Anarchy.

  150. Eric Bowser says:

    Jones hits a 2-run laser, 10-6 Pirates

  151. Reading says:

    Save situation be gone! Time for Leroux,

  152. JRay3 says:

    Jones with his 25th HR this year, put together a very nice offensive season.

  153. T.S. says:

    First time since 1966 that Bucs have had three players with 25+ HRs.
    Alvarez first LH hitter since Robin Ventura (1999) to hit 30+ HRs.

  154. Naje says:

    Milo… dvr’ing it…just fyi…

  155. Milo Hamilton says:


    I won’t ruin it.

  156. Reading says:

    If the Pirates are going to wear the black softball shirts, then I say replace the alternate big P cap with the 1971 mustard throwback. Thought that was a good look last week.

  157. Reading says:


  158. Naje says:

    TS… i think you left out left handed hitting 3rd baseman to that stat about Pedro…


  159. RobertoForever says:

    Love that HR for Jonesy. There’s another 100k in arbitration for him.

  160. Reading says:

    STFD 2!!

  161. RobertoForever says:

    Hanrahan in, and then quickly strikes out the first two batters.

  162. RobertoForever says:

    Jones, Cutch and Pedro – 1st Pirates trio to hit 25 homers since 1966 and Stargell, Clemente and Clendenon

  163. T.S. says:


    Nope, I noted “LH” hitter

  164. RobertoForever says:

    And Hammer goes 1-2-3 in the bottom of the 9th and the Bucs win 10-6.

    Bucs have now won 2 of 3. 2 games left in NY.

  165. Reading says:

    Not eliminated yet. Live for another day. No Hoka Hey tonight!

  166. JRay3 says:

    Hey a win in September raise that jolly Roger! Nice to see Wandy settle down after rough first, he and AJ will make for two nice veteran arms on the ’13 staff.

  167. Arriba Wilver says:

    TS–Brian Giles, a LH hitting Pirate hit 39, 35, 37 and 38 home runs as a Pirate beginning in 1999. Listen to Naje.

  168. Drew71 says:

    Yes. Najedamus

  169. Drew71 says:

    The J is pronounced Y.

    No. Wait.

    Wrong Mystic.

  170. T.S. says:


    You’re correct about Giles. My error. But you’re incorrect about Naje.

    He said: TS… i think you left out left handed hitting 3rd baseman to that stat about Pedro…

    When I mentioned Pedro, I said ‘LH hitter’ — left-handed…

  171. Drew71 says:

    Did they REALLY just win two of three?

    Well. As we say in Serbian

    Jippee Kay Jay, MotherThunder

  172. T.S. says:

    Add to that, i failed to mention 3B, which Brian Giles is not.

  173. Arriba Wilver says:

    TS–I think the 3B was naje’s point. I know it was mine.

  174. Baywatch says:

    Drew, I think you made that Jippee Kay, Mother Thunder Serbian remark up … DK will get you for that!

  175. John Lease says:

    A WIN, A WIN, A WIN! I’ll take it. I didn’t want to jinx anything when they were up 7-3 so I went to bed.

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