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Final: Mets 6, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (76-78) vs. New York Mets (70-84)

Time: 7:10 p.m.

Site: Citi Field, New York

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. New York RHP Jeremy Hefner

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Alex Presley, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Michael McKenry, C
  7. Josh Harrison, 2B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Jeff Locke, LHP


  1. JMB says:


    from the last thread re: 2008

    If the Pirates had spent some of the $30+MM profit from 07 & 08 ($40mm if you count the tax payments) on pitching, maybe that 2008 team @ the ASB isn’t 6 games under .500.

    I loved that 2008 offense, so I get a lil defensive about that team. It was my favorite team of the internet era.

  2. RobertoForever says:

    Still no Walker. But no delay in posting the lineup today.

    Harrison with the 4th straight start, and a 3 game hitting streak.

  3. NMR says:

    How dare you question Bob Nutting!

  4. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Harrison being on fire, you can’t keep him out. Too bad there’s no safe place for him in the field. He always hit in the minors and should get better at ML level and continue to be a valuable utility guy. 6 to 82

  5. RobertoForever says:


    Much like this one email situation, I always wonder was “not released”. For example, did the Pirates LOSE $30 million in 2005 and 2006?

    And $30million over two years doesn’t buy you much, even then. Edwin Jackson wouldn’t take $30 million over 3 years. So essentially $30 million over 2 years gets you Edwin Jackson with some change.

    Sorry, but one better than average pitcher would not have made the 2008 team a contender. But then again, maybe they would have been .500 at the ASB, only to have their bullpen collapse, or 2 starting pitchers go in the tank, and we woul have had the “Collapse” 3 or 4 years early, right?

  6. 21sthebest says:

    “If the Pirates had spent some of the $30+MM profit from 07 & 08 ($40mm if you count the tax payments) on pitching,”

    Did somebody say financial statements?


    Making $30M in a year (or in this case two), doesn’t necessarily mean you have $30M to spend. In the Pirates case, they had $65 million of cumulative losses (deficit, in other words) from 1996-2006. Actual cash on hand at the end of the 2008 season was $600k and they borrowed another $20 million in July 2009 to help fund operations.

    And the cash flow statement shows that for 2007 and 2008 combined, cash actually decreased by $2.7M due primarily to interest payments, tax payments, and capital improvements.

  7. Drew71 says:

    Uh oh. Rookie pitcher.

    Could be measured emotion from Area 51.

  8. NMR says:

    “It was my favorite team of the internet era.”

    It is fun getting to compare memories with other people, especially when they differ so much from your own.

    That 2008 team was an abomination for me to watch because of the complete, utter garbage that took the mound every night.

    I loved Freddy and Jack turning two, but thats about the extent of the warm, fuzzy feelings I take away from that season.

  9. NMR says:

    Oh, and Doug Mientkewitzwhatever. One of my favorite ball players.

  10. The Gunner says:

    For the all the die-hards out there, let’s hope Locke finally notches his 1st ML win and gives us 7 good innings.

    Then hopefully Grilli & Hammer can nail the win down. I know, I am asking for a lot here.

  11. LuckyNKentucky says:

    I second that emotion, Gunner.

  12. OShutdown says:

    In the fifth inning of Locke’s last start, I saw him flinch about 3 or 4 times when Astros hitters swung at his pitches. It was as if he was afraid of a line drive coming back at him. Did anybody else notice this? If I get a chance to watch the game tonight, I’m going to be looking to see if he does it again. If it shows up again, I hope Hurdle and Searage are doing something to correct it.

  13. NMR says:

    Thatta boy, Gunner.

  14. JHadar says:


    I know we’ve been off lately, but I don’t think we’ll lose 6-to-82 tonight.

  15. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Good one, JH. Do you think we have 6 wins left in us this season? What a boost that would be, IMO. The actual team that broke the streak and that monkey off their backs. Then, on to full-season “championship caliber baseball” as we’ve heard it put.

  16. JHadar says:

    Lucky —

    “It’s never over ’til it’s over.” – Y. Berra

    We can hope.

    Sad to say I can count a lot more than six already that we lost that we should have won.

    But they don’t count the ones we should have won.

    “Wait’ll next year.” — Anonymous Brooklyn Fan (and then there was no next year.)

  17. JoeBucco says:

    Despite it all, one week from right now, the season will likely br over or in the late innings of the final game. I hope as much as anything they can get to an even 81 wins, if not 82. I’m not banking on it of course, but either way, despite the collapse and the drama, 4th place finish and likely sub -.500 record… I’ll be disapppointed to close the curtain on 2012.

    Lets Go Bucs!

  18. Hurdled says:

    Roberto, are you admitting that this team has collapsed this year?

  19. Leefoo says:

    For those who didn’t think we went ‘all in’ at the deadline, pls read this:

    He doesn’t mention Wandy for some odd reason, but he makes his point. Actually, we have done pretty well. It’s the ones that were still left here that collapsed…lol



  20. JHadar says:

    More correctly the Berra quote should be:

    “It ain’t over ’til it’s over.”

    Had to be careful to speak proper English around my young and impressionable grandkids this weekend. They got corrected for saying “ain’t.” I guess the good habit got carried over to an excessive degree.

  21. Leefoo says:

    We HAVE to win tonight. Tomorrow we get RA Dickey and have to beat him, too. Otherwise, we have to take 4 of 6 from the Reds/Braves even with them ‘resting’ their regulars.

    I don’t see it happening. Even 3-3 means we have to at least take 2 of 3 from one of them.

    As far as tonight goes, we haven’t won 2 straight since????????????

  22. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–how do you get that conclusion from that article? We have done pretty well and it’s the ones who were here that collapsed? Maybe it’s the wrong link.

  23. Leefoo says:

    How do I get WHAT conclusion? Hasn’t Wandy done well overall? Snyder and Sanchez have done okay…none of them did badly.

    Most of our starters/bullpen and hitting have collapsed haven’t they?

    Thus, I made that statement. Nightengale doesn’t, but I do.


  24. Milo Hamilton says:

    I guess 16-34 is the new “pretty well”.

  25. JMB says:

    Well, it’s not a surprise that the FO is staying intact, but it is extremely disappointing.

  26. Milo Hamilton says:

    Everyone is staying.

    Ants ==================================

  27. JRay3 says:

    Newspaper headline tomorrow should read:

    “Larry Announces Moe and Curly Staying” details on page 3.

  28. RobertoForever says:


    We agree on the hope for Locke’s 1st major league win. Would love to see that for him.

  29. @Roberto, I’ll be at the final 6 games if you’d like to meet up at some point before, during, or after the games? It’s always nice to put a face to the name (monicker).

  30. RobertoForever says:


    Sure. Are your tickets in the same place for the Sat/Sunday games? Do you go early as a season ticketholder for batting practice?

  31. RobertoForever says:

    Well, 2 K’s and a fly out by Cutch and the Bucs go down 1-2-3 in the top of the first.

  32. @Roberto, Sec 2 Row H Seat 5 on Saturday, Friday and Sunday Sec 320 Row G Seat 15. I did get the 10 game plan, so I can get in early for BP. I usually go as early as I can to enjoy the atmosphere.

  33. RobertoForever says:

    Locke gives up a leadoff single, but then gets a hat trick, a K, a groundout and a flyout to strand the runner at 1st.

    0-0 headed to top of 2nd. Up next, Jones, Pedro (in the 5 spot), and McKenry.

  34. The intro to tonight’s game was about the Pirates’ pitchers record for strikeouts in a season, but this has turned into, how many strikeouts can the Pirates offense produce tonight. Way to single Pedro!

  35. Nate83 says:



    You are not allowed to point out that the pirates trades at the deadline have been good and are players that will help going forward into next year.

    Don’t you know they were suppose to pick up Headley with money the GM wasn’t allowed to spend.

  36. RobertoForever says:

    Let’s meet up for BP on Saturday out in LF. We (young’un and I) hang out in the aisle seats about between section 135 and 136. We don’t go down in the crowd at the wall. I will be wearing the white Cutch jersey. We should definitely be there by 545pm.

  37. Eric Bowser says:

    Oh please… Sanchez and Snider have done nothing to help this team win this year and will do nothing but provide hopeful depth for 1B and RF in 2013.

  38. Nate83 says:

    Pedro should be in the 4 or 5 spot the rest of the year. Nobody who hits 30 home runs and gets doubles by the bunches should be batting 7th. He needs to get use to batting higher in the line up because that is where he will be the rest of his career.

  39. RobertoForever says:

    Jones K’s, Pedro singles to CF. McKenry has a nice 9 pitch AB, but pops out to 2nd, and Harrison flies out to RF.

    0-0 headed to bottom of the 2nd. And in case AW is tracking, Locke is 17% of the way to a QS.

  40. Nate83 says:

    Sanchez is solid defensively, takes good at bats and has been an all star. I’m pretty sure he would be a better option of the bench then anything we have had over the last 9 years. Snyder is a guy the took a flyer on that may or may not work out.

  41. RobertoForever says:

    Wow. Just now hearing about Zach Greinke striking out 13 batters he faced. And then getting pulled after 5 innings for being over 100 pitches. He did give up 7 hits and 2 walks in addition to the 13 K’s. Amazing.

  42. Milo Hamilton says:


    Nice deadline pickup, that Grienke.

  43. RobertoForever says:

    Locke allows the first batter to get on again (walk), then strikes out 2 and gets the last batter to fly out to CF.

    Locke at 30 pitches thru 2IP, 1 hit, 1 walk, 3 K’s. Now up to 33% of the way to that glorious QS.

  44. Eric Bowser says:

    Nate – McKenry, Snider, Sanchez and Tabata would seem to be a better bench than what we’ve seen in years but the team still needs starters for RF, 1B, and C. I’d say SS but I doubt they’ll have the money to spend with Barmes here. Then there’s the very real possibility of the Pirates trading Jones because of his potential salary increase. So, you go from a decent bench to a weak bench filled with minor leaguers like Presley and Fryer.

  45. RobertoForever says:

    Top of the 3rd. Barmes fly out, Locke K’s and Marte grounds out softly to the pitcher. Pirates go 1-2-3 and we are headed to the bottom of the 3rd.

  46. @Roberto, sound good to me. I’ll likely have on a camo Cutch jersey.

  47. RobertoForever says:

    IMHO, little to no chance that the Bucs trade Jones in the offseason. Even at 5-6 million, he is a value, hitting 25 HR’s a year.

    Everyone said that Bedard and Burnett and Cutch would be traded. They weren’t.

  48. Eric Bowser says:

    This place is going to be quiet on Sunday, I’ll be at the game with my son sitting in our favorite spot, centerfield.

  49. Milo Hamilton says:

    Garrett Jones beans another runner. The umpires haven’t warned the benches, I don’t believe.

  50. Eric Bowser says:

    Andrew McCutchen is not a gold glove centerfielder.

  51. It looked like Locke flinched on that base hit by Murphy. The Bad News Bears have shown up to take us to another defeat just like that 2-0.

  52. Eric Bowser says:

    and just like that, 2-0 Mets.

    Congratulations to David Wright for Mets all-time hit leader at 1,419.

  53. RobertoForever says:


    Cool. Hope its a nice night (forecast says clear and high of 68) and McPherson gets his first W in front of the home crowd.

  54. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jeff Locke stinks.

  55. Eric Bowser says:

    yay, September is wave the white flag month as Pirates are giving the young guys a chance to show what they don’t have.

  56. RobertoForever says:

    Locke strikes out the pitcher to start the inning, then gives up 4 straight hits and 3 runs before getting a flyout for the 2nd out. He gives up 1 final single to score a 4th run before stiking out the 8th batter of the inning.

    Pirates go 1-2-3 in the top of the 4th, with no life from Presley, Cutch and Jones.

    Bottom of the 4th coming up.

  57. Drew71 says:

    Oakland has a chance for the playoffs with an entire rotation of rookies.


    How are the Pirates’ rookie pitchers doing?

  58. Eric Bowser says:

    What are the marching orders for Huntington this offseason?

    Making some assumptions with the below roster but what can be done to improve it enough to win 82 or more.

    Lineup: Marte – Walker – McCutchen – Jones – Alvarez – Snider – McKenry – Barmes
    Bench: Fryer – Tabata – Sanchez – Presley – Holt – Harrison
    Starter: Burnett – Rodriguez – Karstens – McDonald – McPherson
    Bullpen: Hanrahan – Leroux – Hughes – Watson – Morris – Wilson

  59. Eric Bowser says:

    What a CANNON by Marte

  60. TCB says:

    I would offer Heredia and other minor leaguers to Texas for Andrus. He fills the SS and leadoff hitter roles. They have to make a spor for the future superstar ss.

    I would contact Toronto and see what they would take for Arencibia. That would fill the cstchers slot. The Blue Jays have D”Arnaud to replace him.

  61. RobertoForever says:

    Locke does not last thru the bottom of the 4th inning.

    After a single, sac bunt and stolen base, Locke gives up a single to score another run, and put the Bucs down 5-0.

    He does pick off the runner, but then allows another single before being lifted for Chris Leroux.

    Leroux allows a single to put men on 1st and 2nd. Next batter singles, but Marte flexes his throwing arm and guns down the runner trying to score from 2nd. Inning over.

    Alvarez, McKenry and HArrison up for the Bucs.

  62. The Gunner says:

    @ MIlo – 55

    I agree wiith you on Jeff Locke. Each of his starts have been about the same. IMHO, he is not a candidate for the 2013 starting rotation. They might as well as outright him to Indianapolis and risk losng him in the Rule 5 Draft.

  63. Eric Bowser says:

    TCB – I would be shocked if Huntington trades Heredia.

  64. John Lease says:

    Leroux? I guess this game is over, loss #79 locked up. And remember kids, the last 6 are against the Reds and Braves.


  65. RobertoForever says:


    I’ll bite. I would love to see another solid starter acquired. Would love to see another 3 yr-$30 million offer to a Edwin Jackson type.

    I don’t think McKenry is an everyday catcher. Think thru a trade, or extra signings in spring training, we need to find a number 1 catcher until Sanchez is hitting his stride in Triple-A and ready to come up.

  66. RobertoForever says:

    Pedro opens the 5th with a single. The only player with a hit, and he has 2 tonight.

    McKenry pops out to 2b for the second time, this time on the first pitch, and then Harrison flies out again to RF. Seems like the NY rookie pitcher has a pretty good read on the Bucs batters, and the Bucs batters are not making adjustments.

    Barmes walks to put men on 1st and 2nd with 2 out for pinch-hitter Clement. Clement strikes out swinging to end the threat.

  67. RobertoForever says:

    Karstens enters the game in the bottom of the 5th, and throws a 1-2-3 inning. Does throw 16 pitches in the inning.

    Top of the 6th coming up with Marte, Presley and Cutch. 3rd time through the order for the Mets rookie pitcher.

  68. Drew71 says:

    I just LOVE a good competition.

    The X Factor is on.

  69. Drew71 says:

    And Dejan is a guest judge.

    He REALLY does not seem to get along with Britney Spears.

    But Simon and Dejan? Twin Sons of Different Haircuts.

  70. TCB says:

    Don’t know which is worse – can’t stop the other team from stealing bases or not being able to steal any ourselves.

  71. Drew71 says:

    But I have to tell you. I pick on him a lot. But Thunder?

    He has a NICE head of hair.

  72. JRay3 says:

    So let me get this straight, Hefner a pitcher with a 5.71 ERA has pitched six shutout innings allowing three hits.

    Jeff Locke can not make it through the fourth, can we please end the Jeff Locke experiment.

    Marte gets CS down five runs, seriously??

    All of our AAA starters are still searching for a W, might be an indicator we need to look to FA for help or beg Correia to stay,

    Another night where this team just shows up physically at the stadium but shows it has quit on the season.

    But thank goodness we have Frank and coming out today to alleviate all of our fears and let us all know the BMTIB will be back to oversee this woebegone franchise.

  73. JRay3 says:

    For those of you venturing to the ball park this weekend stubhub has tickets available for $1.66.

  74. Milo Hamilton says:

    This Jeremy Hefner that’s doing his Tom Seaver impression tonight, allowed 6 hits & 7 earned runs in his last start. In 0 innings.

    He got nobody out. Nobody. Not a soul.

  75. JRay3 says:

    Or if you prefer to wait for the Braves series tickets available for $0.78 for Tuesday and $0.50 for Wednesday.

  76. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – But you know after the game Clint and the boys will just tip their hat to another pitcher that was just dealing, hitting spots, and throwing all of his pitches for strikes….not like I have not heard that 80 times this season.

  77. JRay3 says:

    Oakland leads Texas 5-2 tonight in their pursuit of a playoff spot….has anybody told Billy Beane, Bob Melvin and the A’s players the metrics show that they should be four games under .500?

  78. RobertoForever says:

    Tough inning.

    Marte singles but immediately runs into an out. Presley pops out and Cutch flies out.

    Karstens still pitching for the Bucs in the bottom of the 6th. Mets play small ball to get another run, with a single, bunt by the pitcher, and then a single to score the run. K and flyout end the inning.

    Bucs down 6-0 headed to the 7th. Jones, Alvarez and McKenry up.

  79. Milo Hamilton says:


    Tell the Orioles too, while your at it.

  80. Eric Bowser says:

    Top free agent pitchers

    1. Zack Greinke
    2. Hiroki Kuroda
    3. Edwin Jackson
    4. Ryan Dempster
    5. Kyle Lohse
    6. Anibal Sanchez
    7. Francisco Liriano

  81. TCB says:

    You would think that after the last month, I would be numb to the losing. I am not. It still hurts. Worse, I am certain it bothers me more than it does the players. They can’t wait until next Wednesday for the season to end. So sad.

  82. RobertoForever says:


    If you want to see a pennant race, tickets on stubhub for a home Tigers game for 82 cents tomorrow.

    Or you could wait for next week and see a White Sox home game for $1.50 against the oft-praised Rays.

    White Sox attendance last night was 14K. Not really a story.

  83. JRay3 says:

    @TCB – so true, and that is what is so frustrating, these players have shown they could care less about winning.

    Like Neil Walker said a few weeks ago a winning record is not important to them, they play to win a championship. Well that dream was over in August and we got 16-35 afterwards.

  84. RobertoForever says:

    Pirates go 1-2-3 again in the top of the 7th. Jones, Alvarez and McKenry all go quietly.

    Hefner now at 7IP, 3 hits, 1 walk and 7 K’s.

    Bryan Morris in for the Bucs in the bottom of the 7th.

  85. JRay3 says:

    @ RF – If I lived in Detroit or Chicago I would go in a heartbeat, especially if I were a fan of their team. Reading the papers out their way those towns are extremely excited about a possible pennant and playoff baseball which tickets for those games start at $50. Maybe they are saving their money.

    I have partial season tickets to the Dbacks, and saw the Pirates play 11 road games this season. Trust me I would love to see pennant race baseball, unfortunately it has been 20 years since I witnessed that.

  86. Milo Hamilton says:

    Chad Qualls stinks.

  87. RobertoForever says:


    Same here. Would love to see pennant race baseball for the Pirates. Already went to 2 minor league playoff games, and had tickets for the Triple-A championship in Durham last week, but couldn’t go because of a work conflict. Although if the Indy Indians were in it, I might have forced a bigger work conflict or had a “death in the family”.

    Just pointing out that low ticket prices are hardly limited to the Pirates. I think someone pointed out a few weeks ago that Yankees tickets and Orioles tickets were going for less than $1. Its a feature of stubhub where you can put your tickets up for a declining auction. Eventually any unsold tickets in the upper decks end up for less than $1

  88. JRay3 says:

    @ Milo – I second that.

    @ Milo – I also second post #55

  89. RobertoForever says:


    “Chad Qualls stinks” Haha. Are you having flashbacks or does Chad get that treatment for allowing 1 baserunner that he stranded.

  90. RobertoForever says:

    If anyone is still following, Bryan Morris with a 1-2-3 inning with 2 K’s for the Bucs in the bottom of the 7th, and Qualls with 1 base runner stranded in a scoreless bottom of the 8th.

  91. Milo Hamilton says:

    OK, so all that’s left to accomplish is to lose that 82nd game & for Cutch to choke away the batting title.

    That should wrap a nice shiny bow around another successful season of Bucco baseball.

  92. JMB says:

    Manny Machado has gone yard twice tonight.

  93. The Gunner says:

    @ JRay – 73

    They better beg Correia to stay next year. Correia might have been born at night, but not last night. He won’t return; he did his sentence for the BMTIB.

    Outside of AJ, Wandy, and maybe Karstens, the starting rotation looks real weak. JSuc, & Ground Chuck and highly questionable. They better get a couple decent starters in the off season. Maybe this is the opportunity to bring in Cole & Taillon and let them sink or swim.

  94. madturk says:

    Alright already who’s hiding the weight challenged lady that sings?

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