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Final: Pirates 2, Reds 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media


Happy 82 Day … the above is courtesy of the talented folks at

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (76-81) vs. Cincinnati Reds (95-62)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Cincinnati RHP Mike Leake

  1. Alex Presley, LF
  2. Josh Harrison, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, RF
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Michael McKenry, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Kyle McPherson, RHP


  1. JMB says:

    Isn’t today “Absolute lock” day?

    Haha — I kid.

  2. Reading says:

    Pie Traynor’s retired number is not happy.

  3. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: Cost and Win Certainty

  4. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: Pride, Passion, Pigeon Shooting

  5. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: Trolling Our Fans Since 1992

  6. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: Absolute Lock for 21

  7. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: xFIP Champions!

  8. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: Now With 25% More Donnie Iris

  9. Eric Bowser says:

    Hitler’s response to historic collapse.

  10. Hmm. 26-55. Something’s probably wrong. Of course, nothing to do with contracts, in fact the reasonable thing to do would be to EXTEND ALL CONTRACTS!!!

  11. Bizrow says:

    The trouble is Neal’s contract was extended

    Who knows, he might have gotten another extension yesterday

    Hoka Hey for the Pirates way

    You know, the club has to do things differently else they will get swarmed by all the other clubs with all that $$

    Any club ever get no hit two games in a row?

    Just sayin

  12. Paul says:


    Although I shed a tear today for the “Great Collapse” I can only hope that the words from Bob Nutting ring true and that there WILL be a complete investigation into WHAT THE HELL WENT WRONG. I have 1 huge ringing question which I hope you can answer. What really happened with the Chase Headley trade ? I sat in PNC Park the weekend of August 10 -12 and watched him single handedly dismantle my Buccos. 3 HR’s and 9 RBI’s on the weekend spelled the beginning of the end for me. I hope Nutting does some thing with Coonelly, Huntington and Stark. AND, if he does, I do NOT want another rebuilding but rather a GM who will stay with the plan but also have the testicular fortitude to make the RIGHT deals to get us back where we belong.


  13. woomer says:

    I wonder why Holt hasn’t gotten a start since the 21st?

  14. lawnbeaver says:

    Why isn’t Marte playing? The season is shot, at least that would give me something to watch. For that matter, put Holt and D’Arnaud in and let us see what they can do.

  15. Eric Bowser says:

    It is obvious, Hurdle has zero interest being a manager that grooms players like this and that might come back to haunt him and hurt this franchise. Holt should play every game at 2B for the last five games.

    Josh Harrison is a lost cause as a regular and he’s virtually a throw away for the 40-man roster this offseason as I don’t think he’s much of a bench player.

  16. Pat4Pgh says:

    Hurdle has had one good stretch as manager (6 weeks if I remember correctly) and otherwise craps in the dugout – he canna manage at all!

    Marte should be in LF – he is the future. Holt should be a 2nd – he needs to play and JayHay isn’t more than a AAA player. Anyone else at SS and catcher (other than the B & B boys).

    Soooo much promise in early August; soooo much crap in late September…..

    Thanks to everyone in the BMTIB(OMS)!!! You all deserve to be fired as I type this posting……

  17. Pat4Pgh says:

    I musta been a very BAAAAD boy in a former life because I came into this one as a Pirate fan! Sorta like 20 years in hades…..and counting!!!

  18. Reading says:

    One batter, one hit.

  19. Reading says:

    This one starting off like the other 81 Ls.

  20. RobertoForever says:

    Nice work by McPherson to get out of that jam, getting Votto to ground out, Rolen to pop out and Bruce to ground out. Fielding looked ragged but didn’t hurt.

  21. Reading says:

    J-Hay with the hit. Could have used that yesterday. Instead, we got Clement, etc. in no-hitter crunch time.

  22. Reading says:

    I don’t think that Cutch’s name is going to be added to the list of Pirate batting champions. Too bad.

  23. woomer says:

    I’ll rephrase my question….
    Does anyone *know* why Holt hasn’t gotten a start since the 21st?

  24. woomer says:


    It makes sense, doesn’t it? A wannabe batting champ on a wannabe baseball team in a wannabe organization….

  25. Reading says:

    Yesterday, being down by only one run, Presley or another fast guy should have gone against unwritten no-hitter rules and tried a drag bunt. Probably would have given them a better chance of getting on.

    One other thing: maybe tonight the retaliation- too little, too late- for Chapman drilling Cutch takes place.

  26. Eric Bowser says:

    The link is now viewable.

  27. Eric Bowser says:

    This team’s collapse reminds me of when I get to about the 5th frame bowling and decide to drop the competitive crap and just walk up and toss the ball.

  28. Eric Bowser says:

    1-out, RBI double for Presley.

    1-0 Pirates bottom 7th

  29. Woomer says:

    When Hurdle brought in d’Arnaud to pinch-run for Barmes at 3rd, the Cincinnati radio broadcaster said: “I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen THAT before.”

  30. Reading says:

    Tired of Ludwick.

  31. Reading says:


  32. Reading says:

    Not good! Wooooooooooooo!

  33. Reading says:

    stfd. wooo.

  34. Eric Bowser says:

    How many leads has Grilli and pitching staff given up after team scored the previous inning?

  35. The Gunner says:

    Another choke job by the bullpen. This isn’t the 1st time Grilli blew a lead, is it?

  36. Reading says:

    Earlier Root Sports interviewed McPherson’s parents and family while he was pitching. A few weeks ago, they interviewed Holt’s Mom while he was batting. How about interviewing them while they are not trying to watch their kid play? Can you say timing problem?

  37. Reading says:

    Here’s Mercer’s big chance!

  38. Reading says:

    Here’s Marte’s big chance!

  39. Reading says:

    Not to be.

  40. Jandy says:

    this is epic sad

  41. Eric Bowser says:

    How does a major league hitter see the first pitch right down the middle for a strike and not swing but the next pitch, is nowhere near a strike and swings. That approach is why some didn’t believe in Marte’s ability in MLB.

  42. Jandy says:

    40 posts on a Saturday evening. what has this team fallen to?

  43. RobertoForever says:

    So in a tie game in the 9th, Clint brings in the closer. Which I agree with.

    But isn’t this what Clint would NOT do earlier in the season? Just wondering.

  44. Eric Bowser says:

    shocker, Hanrahan walks leadoff man in 9th inning.

  45. The Gunner says:

    @ Jandy – 42

    They brought this lack of interest on themselves. Heads need to roll, Jandy. Especially Boozer Frank, Stark, and Motormouth Huntington.

    The Hammer walks the leadoff guy, huh? Weak, very weak!

  46. Reading says:

    A walk-off would be anti-climatic. Imagine the atmosphere tonight if this game was for the division. Yeah, imagine. About the best we can do now.

  47. Eric Bowser says:

    @Roberto – Now you know he manages by his gut… Arby’s vs Wendy’s… closer vs other hack.

  48. Eric Bowser says:

    Reading – that’s why I bought tickets for tomorrow…. was hoping beyond sanity to think Pirates had a legit shot at division title back at the all-star break.


  49. Reading says:

    A clean 9th. That must not be a part of the organization’s warrior mentality.

  50. Jandy says:

    Gunner I know but it’s still epic sad. Like epic fail. Like Collapse II. I just shake my head.

    Eric ~ lol

  51. Eric Bowser says:

    Hmm, maybe McCutchen will return to his June and July glory……

  52. Reading says:


    Maybe you can win a game-used shirt? Fan Appreciation Day and all.

  53. Eric Bowser says:

    Reading – Knowing my luck, it would be Chad Qualls.

  54. Reading says:

    “Wooooooooooooo!,” according to legend, was the battle cry of Mrs. Crazy Horse’s bridge club.

  55. Jandy says:

    Roberto, I thought McPherson pitched a nice game. Agree he did a good job.

    I’ve been fighting some kind of chest congestion/cough. Doc says it’s not flu…but I think he’s full of it…anyhooo.
    Been trying to read up on things, and looks like TBMTIB is going to stay as is. Seems Nutting doesn’t feel he needs to let anyone go. Do I have that right, or is that part of a fever delerium????

  56. Jandy says:

    And Cutch finally comes thru :)

  57. Reading says:

    Nice! My bad. Not anti-climatic!!!!!

  58. Jandy says:

    Breathe, eric!

  59. Eric Bowser says:

    Jandy – LOL. I love baseball, just hate what’s become of it in Pittsburgh. Sorta wished this was happening tomorrow.

  60. Jandy says:

    eric, I hear ya friend. My hubby shakes his head at me watching when they lose and suck so badly. It’s like you just can’t stop. I hope they play well for you tomorrow.

  61. JRay3 says:

    Happy for Cutch especially coming against the Reds just wish it moved me more but it does not.

  62. Jandy says:

    Hey Drew, my friend. how are ya?

  63. JMB says:



  64. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: McCutchen is Still Here

  65. RobertoForever says:

    Awesome! And I called it! Told the folks in the section it was coming.

    And it was great to meet up with one of DK’s asylum. Great pregame convo.

    Bucs 11-2 now in games I attend and root for the Bucs at PNC. Wish I had attended more August/Sept home games.

    Hope we can beat Cueto tomorrow. Beat em Bucs

  66. Jandy says:

    anyone, any replies to the second part of my post 55?

  67. RobertoForever says:


    Sorry to hear you are still under the weather. Hope you feel better soon.

  68. Eric Bowser says:

    Jandy – According to Coonelly, no changes but from what it looks like, Bob Nutting is still evaluating the organization and what happened. I’m guessing we don’t hear anything from Nutting until mid-October.

  69. Jandy says:

    TY, Roberto :)

    I just wish i knew for sure what it is I have. Antibiotics seem to be helping tho. So I’ll go with it.

  70. Hurdled says:

    Pirates 2013: RobertoForever Gets a Cowbell Suppository

  71. Jandy says:

    Eric..thanks…I hope he isn’t thinking it will all blow over. It won’t. Something needs to be done, and done quickly.

  72. Jandy says:

    Hurdled ~ OMG!

  73. Eric Bowser says:

    Jandy – Even if Nutting thinks the issue is baseball decisions, I don’t know how he can keep Coonelly as it was him who thought highly of Huntington.

  74. Hurdled says:

    2013 is going to be exciting….unless you are RobertoForever.

    It will be lil’ painful for him.

  75. Jandy says:

    Eric, I’m counting on DK to egg it on. Nutting needs to take a long, hard look at things are they are and see they can’t go on this way.

  76. Thundercrack says:

    “There is ZERO question of his readiness. It’s about corner outfield and about not having a long pause immediately after he arrives. This person said Marte’s performance at the plate right now is “through the roof.” Marte has made several starts in left but the one Monday was his first.”
    Marte looks like he has the talent to be a very good ballplayer. But after watching him again tonight I do think there was good reason to question his readiness. I think it is more than just any jitters the rookie may have. His plate discipline is awful and we’ve seen the lapses on the base paths and even in the outfield.

    Sure you can throw plenty of blame to the development staff of the Pirates for not teaching him enough in the minors….and there probably will be.

    DK: Very few hitters succeed immediately in the majors, even if fully ready. You’re right about signs, especially K-zone recognition. But I still can’t say definitively that he shouldn’t open 2013 as an everyday player.

    My point regarding Marte was entirely about baserunning fundamentals.

  77. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Good to see the J-girl back!

  78. LuckyNKentucky says:

    ….and Roberto does it again!

  79. Thundercrack says:

    Jandy, glad to see you back. Hope you are getting better!

    :-) ( I don’t care what Drew says, an emoticon is appropriate here)

  80. JD says:

    How come the score hasn’t been shown as a Bucs final yet? The new post last night for the “let’s all rant and cry about the no-hitter” was up seconds after the final out was made. I hope DK isn’t upset that 38,000 people packed the park and cheered Cutch as he ruin his “82” day.

    DK: Wow. Yeah, either that, or I watched a movie with my family on my day off. I like your version better.

  81. Boise Bucco says:

    Maybe the Bucs could hire Dana Holgerson as their manager next year?

    Judging by the XBox score of the WVU/Baylor game, he’d probably get Cutch to go 7-9 with 4 HR’s and the Bucs would win every game 20-13.

    Are you serious? 70-63?

  82. Hurdled says:

    DK: Wow. Yeah, either that, or I watched a movie with my family on my day off. I like your version better.
    [begin sarcastic voice] What, you didn’t watch the game??

    Guess you aren’t a real fan.

    Real fans don’t take days off.

    A lot of people on this blog are gonna get real butt-hurt about this. [end sarcastic voice]

  83. Hurdled says:

    By the way, what was the movie choice?

    Sudden Death?

    The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh?

    Angels in the Outfield?

    DK: Dictator.

  84. Hurdled says:

    Good Choice.

    How many Hoka Heys do you give it?

    DK: 3 1/2. Had its moments.

  85. Boise Bucco says:

    DK–just wanted to thank you again for keeping me up-to-date on the Bucs this summer. Just found out that I’ll be back in the States (finally) in the next couple weeks or so. It will have been around 390 days living out of a duffel bag by the time I get back, so between MLB At Bat and TribLive, this has been my link to the real world. Thank you for your work!

    Now get the NHL back to work so when I get to Pittsburgh in November I’ll have a game to go to!

    DK: Thanks. I’m with you on the latter.

  86. Drew71 says:


    After the HR, turned the iPhone off, cried a few tears of relief, passed out.

    But going to sleep at 10:30 pm Sat night has its downsides.

    Like, what do I do when I wake at 5:30 am?

  87. Drew71 says:

    Well. At least I can start getting warmed up for the Steelers game, right?


  88. Byebyebuccos says:

    These Hells angels celebrated the walk off like they just clinched a division title! Are you kidding me? That HR came 8 weeks too late.

  89. Drew71 says:

    Bye – I understand (and feel) the frustration. I have a lot of blame to assign. Yet I’m not going to blame them for celebrating success.

    Personally, I hope they decide to get used to it.

  90. Drew71 says:

    And in my book, the Hell’s Angel is one guy who sports a crew cut and is lost in pop psychology and military pretensions.

    Of course I am referring to Thunder.

  91. 21sthebest says:

    “Like, what do I do when I wake at 5:30 am?”

    Go for a run!

  92. Leefoo says:

    21s….ahh yes…I remember the days I could run….then that frikkin bulky disk popped up!

    Now it’s biking and walking….sigh!

    Bye bye basketball.


  93. Leefoo says:


    Good to ‘see’ you back!!!!!

    Hope you’re feeling better!!!


    Great day yesterday! Mountaineers win! Nits win! Bucs win! Wife didn’t yell at me!!!

    :) (that was for Drew)



  94. Drew71 says:

    I did. Well. More of a shuffle.

  95. Leefoo says:

    Drew…I can imagine you ‘shuffling’.

    It’s He!! getting old ain’t it?


  96. Leefoo says:

    Foogot to add…my wife calls my run now “The Old Man Shuffle”

    If she didn’t look so good for her age (she’s 26), POW, right in the kisser!!!

    Ralph Foo


  97. Leefoo says:

    Btw, it’s only one game, but might we have actually developed a ’27th’ round draft pick.

    The ‘science’ of drafting is mostly luck. You take the best available, give it your best shot and hope and pray. Look at Jack Z….he was great drafting for the Brewers. Where DID that greatness go??

    Drafty Foo


  98. Leefoo says:

    Regarding pitching, the Nationals turning it around and NH failing at his drafting.

    Just looked at the stats this morn. They have FOUR starters all with ERA’s lower than 3.28. Two are their #1 and #2 picks in 2007!! Sure would’ve been nice if DL had known what he was doing and had gotten THEM for us! Take those two away and where are the Nats? Gio=AJ and Strasburg, well, is Strasburg!

    Just so when you compare the Nationals to us. Where would WE be with those two guys?!

  99. Eric Bowser says:

    John Mehno can never be taken seriously as a journalist and do not compare the state of the Penguins organization to that of the Pirates. It isn’t close.

    Get ready for Neal Huntington’s blog supporters and team minions to start talking about how his winning percentage as GM isn’t really worse than Cam Bonifay and Dave Littlefield.

    In fact, you’ll hear he’s done well.

    People already are trying to say the slash and burn from ’08-10 teams were not his fault because they had to restock the farm system and that’s why the ’11-’12 teams are not that good.

    Oh really, so that’s why Huntington and his supporter back then said his plan to acquire major league ready talent and AAA players was the right thing to do because they didn’t have anything in AAA or AA to play now and that the A level prospects and draft picks from ’08 and on would supplement those MLB/AAA guys.

    Take a look at what the Pirates got back from ’08-10
    MLB = 17
    AAA = 7
    AA = 4
    A = 10

    The Single-A players who are with the Pirates in majors are Jeff Locke, Josh Harrison, and Eric Fryer. If you are building from the ground up and that’s your success story, no wonder fans and media are calling for Huntington, Stark and Smith to be gone.

  100. Drew71 says:

    On beach now.

    (Dejan: ‘Beech’ [n] def: Sandy thing around oceans. Attracts elderly. Repels sports columnists.)

    81 now and sunny, rising to a high of 84 today. Summer humidity has broken, but it will be back. In June.

    Dinner at 4:00.

  101. Eric Bowser says:

    Drew – nice reference with ‘Beech’, better be careful of those sand traps, also known as a Lupaschuk or Sivek.

  102. Leefoo says:

    Eric…I am going to be doing a full scale draft analysis, comparing us to other teams to see if it is unrealistic to expect us to have our draft picks helping us as much as people think.

    I’m seeing some interesting stuff!

    Believe what you want to believe, but what you posted isn’t out of the norm. Btw, we have NOT gotten 17 MLB players from 08-10. Not sure where you’re getting your numbers.

    Also, on the Top 100 list Dejan posted, where 4 are Latin and ‘only’ two are Americans.
    Well, if Josh Bell hadn’t gotten hurt, we’d arguably had THREE Americans. And, if Appel had signed, as almost everyone expected (unfortunately, Dejan predicted he would sign), we could arguably have FOUR Americans, equaling the Gayo output.

    Little unfair of Dejan to post it the way he did.


    DK: I predicted Appel would sign? Injuries don’t count? My man, you’re going off the deep end.


  103. Leefoo says:


    “People already are trying to say the slash and burn from ‘08-10 teams were not his fault because they had to restock the farm system and that’s why the ‘11-’12 teams are not that good. ”

    Show me some other GM’s who have ‘stockpiled’ minor leaguers from 08-10 and have done well. I’ll give you the answer: NONE!

    Your expectations are unreasonable. This ain’t a football draft. Baseball draft and prospect trade failures are well over 90% for EVERY org. And that is counting the ‘cup coffee’ guys as successes.

    Look at the Nationals: Just looked at the stats this morn. They have FOUR starters all with ERA’s lower than 3.28. Two are their #1 and #2 picks in 2007!! Sure would’ve been nice if DL had known what he was doing and had gotten THEM for us!

    Just so when you compare the Nationals to us. Where would WE be with those two guys?! Just ONE of them!!!!



  104. Leefoo says:


    “Attracts elderly.”

    So that’s why YOU’RE there?



  105. Leefoo says:

    Eric…as for the Pens/Pirates….all I was doing is saying LOTS of teams do military-like training. LOTS of them (btw, I am not a big Mehno fan either , but all he reported were facts)

    Trying googling around. You’ll even find we weren’t the only team to do SEALS training. Why hasn’t THAT been brought out?

    Why haven’t the positive tweets from the players that Kristy Robinson posted been mentioned?

    Dejan is one of the best writers around, but you need to read more than just him before forming your NH opinions…

    Read me!!! :) :) :)



  106. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–does the “almost everyone” who “expected” Appel to sign include the 7 teams who passed on picking this arguably #1 overall pick?

  107. Eric Bowser says:

    Leefoo – Keep drinking the kool-aid

    Players acquired from ’08-10 with MLB experience
    1. Tyler Yates
    2. Denny Bautista
    3. Jeff Karstens
    4. Ross Ohlendorf
    5. Brandon Moss
    6. Craig Hansen
    7. Andy LaRoche
    8. Robinzon Diaz
    9. Charlie Morton
    10. Joel Hanrahan
    11. Lastings Milledge
    12. Jeff Clement
    13. Ronny Cedeno
    14. Aki Iwamura
    15. Kevin Hart
    16. James McDonald
    17. John Bowker

  108. Leefoo says:

    AW….good point, but most pundits thought he’d sign.

    I think those 7 teams just didn’t want to take the risk. I applaud our draft team for taking the risk!

    Don’t you?



  109. Eric Bowser says:

    Leefoo – I don’t have time right now to debate your other points, when I get back from being soggy at PNC Park tonight, I’ll gladly reply.

  110. Leefoo says:

    AW…however, even with that said, 85% of our top 100 prospects in past years have failed, no matter how they were obtained.

    It’s about time that bad luck started to turn? We deserve it!!!



  111. Hurdled says:


    Seeing those name brought a real tear to my eye.

    I’d tried to repress the memories of most of those guys.

    Best Damn Management Team in Baseball!!




  112. Leefoo says:

    Eric………..I am talking DRAFT only. That is was what Dejan talked about.

    I am NOT debating trades…we have had successes and failures there. And yes, we could debate NH trades (heck ANY GM’s trades) till the cow’s (OR the Bowsers) come home.

    There is NO way that NH’s drafts should be having an impact on us this soon based on historical ‘returns’.



  113. Leefoo says:

    “That is was what”????????????

    gotta quit typing here in church..

  114. Leefoo says:

    From ’08 to ’10 we sure did try to ‘resuscitate’ a lot of failed prospects careers.

    We hit on a couple, Hanny and maybe Morton/Tabata/Locke, et al, but it was a risk worth taking, imho. Lots of teams dumpster dive like that.

    Not sure what other path we could’ve taken. Trading for prospects is always a risk/reward (mostly risk) type of propostion.

    Look at the two Cliff Lee deals and the CC Sabathia deals. Happens to ALL GMs!



  115. Leefoo says:

    Oh and Eric…bring us home a win and beat this Queue-Toe guy they got pitching!!



  116. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–my first suggestion for our luck turning– replace Neal and his sidekick Kyle.

  117. Hurdled says:

    Morton, Tabata, and Locke are not success stories.

    They are indicative of a pitiful over all track record in scouting.



  118. Drew71 says:

    The Sidekick shall henceforth and forevermore be known as…

    And his little dog too.

  119. Hurdled says:

    Drew, that is perfect.

    Thank you.



  120. Drew71 says:

    Oh. Good. Dejan’s up.

    Dejan. Go wake up your new best friend Bob.

    Tell him to wake his new foil, Frank.

    To tell HIM to wake his new former GM, Neal.

    To tell HIM to wake his new Last Man Standing, Clint.

    To tell HIM to put up the new freaking line up.

    To tell YOU to put up a new thread.

    Cause Foo’s dribbled all over this one.

  121. Drew71 says:

    Yeah. I know.

    Me saying that is sorta like the pot calling the kettle nuts.

  122. Leefoo says:

    Drew…I’m old and retired. once I dribbled basketballs….now I dribble, well, you’ll find out soon enough.

    AW…I wouldn’t cry if Stark got fired. At the very least replace some of these coaches we have here and in the minors.

    Oh and get rid of that bubblegum chewing guy we have in the dugout! Get us someone that, you know, knows how to manage a GAME!

    Btw, I hated Koolaid, even as a kid. I wanted the REAL stuff…Maybe that’s why I ended up in AA…lol

    I like Bobby and NH. Not a fan of Frank the PR nightmare or Clint.



  123. Leefoo says:

    Drew…loved the ‘new best friend, Bob’ comment.

    Good thing DK has a good sense of humor. he needs it with us bloggers, eh?

    Actually, it’s a good thing WE have a good sense of humor.

    Ok…done ‘dribbling’. Time to watch some FB!

    Foo T Ball

  124. Arriba Wilver says:


    Here’s the fact you can’t get around, my Neal-is-God friend—your buddy hired Stark and Hurdle. Is that
    A. Bad luck
    B. Every GM makes mistakes
    C. It’s too early to tell?

  125. Leefoo says:

    AW….be careful what you wish for:

    . KC and Seattle got supposedly two of the very best GMs around in Dayton Moore and Jack Z.

    Moore has had SIX years to turn it around. WE did BETTER than seattle!

    Maybe we should go after them?




  126. Leefoo says:

    AW….good point on those hirings.

    He’s not good at hiring….

    I’ll give you THAT!

    I should know better than to argue with a frikkin lawyer.


  127. Drew71 says:

    Or at signing.

    Or mostly at drafting.

    Or at speaking.

  128. Leefoo says:

    AW…your buddy Clint is always preaching patience, sometimes maddeningly so.

    I ask the same for NH.



  129. Arriba Wilver says:

    Or at free agents. Other than those things, his hair always seems to be combed nicely.

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