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On location: Braves 4, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to the LAST pitch of another failed season …


Game: Pirates (79-82) vs. Atlanta Braves (93-68)

Time: 12:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here is the live box score.

And here is the Pirates’ lineup vs. Atlanta RHP Ben Sheets

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Alex Presley, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Josh Harrison, 2B
  7. Clint Barmes, SS
  8. Rod Barajas, C
  9. A.J. Burnett, RHP


  1. Karen22 says:

    Hate to say it, but thank God! Bring down the curtain on an immensely spirit-crushing season, the WORST of the 20 years of losing. I will neither listen to, watch, or attend a game next season unless this off-season sees heads roll. UNACCEPTABLE!

    The end.

  2. Bizrow says:

    Well, if we win this one, it will give the BMTIB plenty to spin in the offseason, “If PRNW hadn’t got hurt” for starters.

    It doesn’t matter, I guess, the spin will be used to mask the real problems ;-)

  3. Matt Gajtka says:

    “Another failed season?” Pardon me while I enjoy watching my favorite team for the last time in six months. We can save the negativity for tomorrow and the rest of the offseason!

  4. 21sthebest says:

    To me, this has been the best of the past 20 years, and it’s our best record. But it obviously came with a lot of disappointment.

  5. Thundercrack says:

    What a sad headline.

    The last 4-6 weeks were extremely disappointing and frustrating. But I don’t view it as the worst year of the 20. Actually, not even close.

  6. Matt Gajtka says:

    I agree 21sthebest, I’ve enjoyed this season immensely. So much better than being out of it by July. Yeah, you’re going to get hurt when a team collapses, but it’s better than just being numb the second half of the season.

  7. 21sthebest says:

    “What a sad headline.”

    You know, I thought, “The Scheme Is The Scheme” was going to be about Nutting.

  8. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think DK is just picking up the “failed season” theme from the FO. Don’t they say it’s a failure unless they win a championship? Or unless they’re talking about their own job performance?

  9. Thundercrack says:

    I have learned to tune-out the themes from the FO. Or at least pick & choose what I want to believe from them

  10. RobertoForever says:

    Got up really early this morning to drive all the way into Pittsburgh to see AJ’s final start. AND to see the high water mark of this franchise since 1992.

    I agree with Neil Walker in yesterday’s interview (great interview DK by the way). we have the right team in place to break the streak next year.

    so I am going to enjoy this game, and and treat it like the game it is. One more chance for the 2012 Pirates to be 3 games better than my preseason prediction.

    Beat em Burnett and Bucs!

    DK: Thanks, RF.

  11. Leefoo says:


    Agree with your sentiments.

    I picked us to win about 70. Then the pitching came through bigtime. Then it failed…bigtime.

    Sorry Biz, but overall 80-82 (IF AJ wins) doesn’t look that bad, although I WISH it was 82-80…or better!

    Glad we got a day game. The wife works from home Wednesday so I can’t blast the stereo (no XTC, tho…UGH!). It’s still rainy and damp and I’m a ‘yard’ person, so this will work out perfect.

    I wonder if Blasserino will be working with Tim today? The fireworks could be better than any one of the PBC’s!!

    Woof Foo


  12. JAL says:

    Last look at the opposing pitcher for this season

    Exploring the Arsenal – Ben Sheets

  13. Leefoo says:

    Coaching change possibilty if nobody gets fired (other than a Pie Rogie)

    Switch Bannister and Leyva giving Clint an experienced Bench Coach to teach him how to manage a game?

    Bring in a coach just for running and stealing. I hear the Latin players LOVE Silverio, so I don’t want to mess with that dynamic. He does okay at 1b (how could he mess THAT up?)


    Coach Foo


  14. Leefoo says:

    JAL…Ben Sheets’ last game, also. Let’s send him out a loser!

  15. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–what do you mean about Blass and Tim?

  16. Leefoo says:

    Crap…meant to sign off that last post as “Foo Sheets to the Win”



  17. Leefoo says:

    AW…we got the scoop on the Plus. I missed it posting the last 38 drafts for the A;s and Cards last night.

  18. Leefoo says:

    AW…just messin…

    Here’s the post from one of the guys over there

    Here’s what I saw: It was Blass’s last TV game and we wanted to thank some of the other guys and girls behind the scenes. He thanked one guy named Pete (I think) and said he was brand new or something like that. Navarette corrected him and said that the guy had been there like 3 years or something and had come to the booth every single game. Navarette was making humorous banter (good-natured, in my opinion) about it, but I think Blass looked a little concerned or even annoyed when they’d show him on TV.

    If Blass was miffed about being called out and appearing to have no awareness of the lesser-known crew, then I have no issue with that. But something struck me when they’d show Blass: I think (just my impression, mind ya) you could see a little concern in his face. Like, “How could I forget this kid who I’ve seen for the past 4 years?”

    Makes me a little worried. Blass is getting on in years, maybe his mind is slipping a bit, or maybe he’s worried it’s slipping a bit. Or it could be I’m way off.


    I told him that I’ve been slipping for years and it hasn’t affected me one bite, er bit.

    Bliss Foo


  19. Leefoo says:

    Also, apparently while Blass was talking, the ever maddening ROOT telecast cut to some dogs I guess and Tim was laughing.

    So…maybe THOSE two things?

    Don’t know. Maybe our crack journalist can uncover the REAL story?



  20. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, Foo.

  21. Leefoo says:

    DK…Foogot to mention: Loved your “DK: WHAT DO YOU MEAN, FOO?” reply.


  22. Hurdled says:

    I love how everyone keeps coming back to what THEY predicted, and somehow qualifies this lost season as something great or grandiose.

    I picked the Pirates to win 0 games this year.

    So they have played AMAZING based on my prediction.

    And while I’m at it, stop picking on Blass.

  23. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hurdled–I picked 82-80. So I’m thinking that gives me a license to scream all off season.

  24. Leefoo says:


    “Gregg Ritchie has been hired as a head coach at his Alma mater George Washington University. Ritchie was not fired, according to the source, but made the decision to coach his Alma mater. The Pirates agreed to let him accept the position.”

    Thank you GW. Our best softball pitcher was a GW grad. Always liked that school.

    Delaware Foo


  25. Leefoo says:

    Hurdled…not picking on Blass….just reposting a post. Personally, I LOVE the guy. And, with his sense of humor, he’d probably laugh at my joke (altho nobody else does, but…)

    I’d LOVE to watch a game with him one time. One of my all time favorites!



  26. Hurdled says:


    Scream away.

    My 0 wins prediction was tongue and cheek at best.

    So please scream like a Banshee


  27. Leefoo says:

    AW…I picked 70, SEVERELY over estimating the number of games Hurdle would cost us!

    :) :) :) :) ;) ;) ;)

    Foo Hurdles


  28. Hurdled says:

    Look Here Foo,

    Sorry I always wanted to say that to someone. No anger intended.

    Blass is one of the nicest athletes I’ve ever has the pleasure of meeting.

    He’s been over gracious to both me and my family on numerous occasions.

    Plus he does have knowledge of the game.

    He can be aloof at times, but just read what gets posted on here, we all have our aloof moments.

  29. NMR says:

    Shame on you people for being positive about the Pirates on the last day of the season and not a butt hurt fan!



  30. Leefoo says:


    “butt hurt”

    What an a$$ a 9 comment.



  31. Milo Hamilton says:

    This day always makes me a little sad. Some years less than others, but sad nonetheless.

  32. Bradthedad says:

    Me too, Milo. Man! I love baseball.

  33. Hurdled says:


    I never said anything of the sort.

    Don’t get all butt hurt this early in the day.

    You will have problems sleeping later.

  34. NMR says:

    Amen, Milo and Brad.

  35. Leefoo says:

    Milo…amen…I always get withdrawal in the evenings…nothing to watch once it ends.


  36. Arriba Wilver says:

    Will will

    Butt hurt

    I hope someone’s keeping track. :-)

  37. Dan Finnegan says:

    You have to like the core of young position players the team has right now, they’ve done a lot and can do better. That’s a positive. There’s a lot of work to be done in the offseason to get ready for next year, not least of which is BOB NUTTING figuring out what’s wrong with his organization and getting it fixed. THE STREAK MUST END!!!!

  38. 21sthebest says:

    I had 78 wins in a client’s pool that I won last year. Glad I didn’t win again or I may not have that client anymore.

  39. Bizrow says:

    Sorry Foo, 80-82 does nuttin to me.

    Ze spin has started though, I see ;-)

  40. Leefoo says:

    Biz…you love to Spin Spin


    This is from one of my favorite groups, the Swirling Eddies.
    LEt’s SPin

  41. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’d like to thank Kristy Robinson for “breaking” the Gregg Ritchie story that I’ve been telling you about for weeks. SMH.

  42. Leefoo says:

    ” had 78 wins in a client’s pool”

    21s…does he still have the pool?

    Lifeguarded Foo


  43. Leefoo says:

    Milo…would rather thank Kristy….MUCH prettier, imho.



  44. Arriba Wilver says:

    Foo–you’ve seen Milo in person?

  45. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Hard to believe that its the last game. It would be Nice to see the Buccos going out in somewhat stylish fashion and sweep the Braves.

    At one point in the season, this series would’ve had some meaning to it.

    I do believe the majority of pieces are in place to break the streak. A few key elements need to be added this offseason to take us over the top.

    I also believe that the majority of the teams in our division will improve next season. The Cubs are the Cubs, but they also have the money to completely change their roster around. Reds and Brewers are the teams to beat in this division and they are just getting stronger. who knows what the Brewers would’ve done had they not had so many injuries earlier in the season. BP fell apart for them.

  46. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    But……..Here’s to a semi-fun season and enjoying the baseball coversation with all of you.

    DK, thank you for your reporting throughout the season and giving us many, many topics to choose from over the course of 162.

    Its been fun talking baseball with all of you. I’ve enjoyed it thoroughly whenever I’ve been able. Next season and the seasons to follow may not be quit as easy for me to talk about. Never know where I’m gonna be.

    To this I say; Happy Football Season!!!

  47. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    @Milo and Foo

    Not only is Kristy Robinson easy on the eyes (Jandy term) but she does a very good job of reporting as well.

    I do enjoy her work.

  48. Arriba Wilver says:

    Ryan–don’t forget the Cards.

  49. Milo Hamilton says:

    Over / Under on today’s time of game – 2 hours 25 minutes.

  50. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Ritchie wasn’t fired. ( I didnt scroll up enough to see if you mentioned that part.)

    He resigned to take over the head coaching job at his alma mater.

    Good for him…now we can speculate on who the next hitting coach will be!!!!!!

    BTW, this will be the top news story of the offseason for the Pirates

  51. Leefoo says:

    Ryan/AW…she’s a former Hollywood Actress (or at least tried to be)

    I don’t care HOW pretty Milo is, Kristy beats him EASILY

    Easy on the Foo


  52. Leefoo says:

    Ryan….yes…that is what “The Pirates agreed to let him accept the position.” means.


    Off to watch the game…got in ‘trouble’ last night trying to IPad AND watch. Too old to multi task I guess….


  53. Arriba Wilver says:

    “BTW, this [Richie] will be the top news story of the offseason for the Pirates.”

    Ryan–I sure hope not.

  54. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Thank you. brain dump on that one…but they always go without saying it seems. Great organization.

  55. Milo Hamilton says:

    I just e-mailed a friend to tell him the Ritchie news. Here was his response, “Can’t wait to see who they’ll promote from within to take his place.”


  56. Bizrow says:

    Boy, I really, really hope we can get Barrabbas to sign with us for 2013……

  57. Arriba Wilver says:


  58. mmd says:

    I was watching last night during the exchange between Blass and Neverit. I think Blass was kidding the whole time about the new guy. There was nothing serious about the whole thing.

  59. nate83 says:

    The next hitting coach sould be a former player who looked at a ridiculous amount of pitches and hit the ball where it was pitched instead of trying to pull the ball.

    I don’t know the stats but I imagine this teams balls hit in play batting average moves them up the rankings a few spots over their normal batting average. They have horrible plate discipline and face way to many two strike counts.

  60. Milo Hamilton says:


    Mike Easler.

  61. Reading says:

    A new Metric inspired by 2012 Pirates: the Walk-Triple (“WALT”).

  62. Milo Hamilton says:

    Of course I think Mike Easler might be the guy BarryVanBonilla was referencing in some earlier posts. You know, a former Pirate World Champion player who Kyle Stark wasn’t aware existed.

  63. Arriba Wilver says:

    DK tweeted “Bourne takes second base on organizational indifference.”

    Now that’s funny.

    Larry the Cable Guy

  64. Jandy says:

    Thanks for restoring my good humor, guys….you’re on a double roll.

    Ryan, I’ve enjoyed chatting with you here too, friend.

    Foo, you’re ALWAYS in trouble…I wonder how that can be???

  65. Reading says:

    Also, the Walk-Double (“WALDO”).

  66. Dejan Kovacevic says:

    DK: So when Rob Biertempfel reported on Aug. 15 that Gregg Ritchie was leaving to coach Wash, Ritchie lied, right?

  67. Jandy says:

    Does Kyle Stark know ANYONE exists?

  68. nate83 says:

    Organizational indifference.

    Awesome. Classic.

  69. Naje says:

    Rob Biertempfel… never heard of him.

  70. nate83 says:

    This from the Rob Biertempfel (wow you trib sports writers need easier names to spell)

    Baseball America has begun releasing its lists of top 20 prospects at each level of the minor leagues. The Pirates have four players among the Gulf Coast League (rookie ball) picks: C Wyatt Mathisen (No. 5), 2B Dilson Herrera (No. 7), RHP Tyler Glasnow (No. 9) and C Jin-De Jhang (No. 19). Three State College players are on the short-season New York-Penn League list: RHP Luis Heredia (No. 2), OF Barrett Barnes (No. 10) and RHP Clay Holmes (No. 15).

    That is pretty nice 7 of the 40 players listed all from 1 team.

  71. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thank God. Another list. I was in withdrawal. Seriously.

  72. Jandy says:

    Milo needs a drink.

  73. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Wow, August 15th seems so long ago.

    I admit, I missed that.

    DK just wanted to post on #66 anyways.

  74. Arriba Wilver says:

    Aug 15. —- 64-53

  75. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    So in other words……this is not breaking news.

    RB deserves some credit, but I guess he’s not blonde enough.

  76. Jandy says:

    I WAS a LOOOOONNGG time ago…

  77. Arriba Wilver says:

    Kristy is definitely prettier than Rob.

  78. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    DK had the greatest tweet ever:

    ” runner steals 2nd on organizational indifference.”

    That its the Classic realm and if the blog had a “favorites” button..I’d click it.

  79. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    *That is*

    Too early still? I really should start drinking coffee

  80. Jandy says:

    Ryan, I have MORE typos than you do and i drink a lot of coffee lol

  81. Arriba Wilver says:

    Now I know how Milo and Rob feel.

  82. NMR says:

    Did anyone hear that line DK tweeted?

  83. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    LOL, that might be too much coffee then…

  84. RobertoForever says:

    Lots of disgruntled Braves fans here – no Chipper.

    Who thinks we might see one more day-dro bomb? I think there’s a good chance.

  85. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Tweets aren’t vocal..

    I kid, I kid

  86. Jandy says:

    AW, are YOU in withdrawal too????

  87. Jandy says:

    RF, a DayDro Bomb would make my day!

  88. NMR says:

    Touche, Ryan. You know I’m just jaggin’.

  89. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    So by my count that’s 3 SB’s. Did I miss any?

    Why does Cutch not even attempt?

  90. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy–withdrawal from what? I was joking that Ryan reported what I said about DK’s tweet 30 minutes previously, and Milo had been talking about how he had been reporting for weeks about Richie leaving, and RB had reported about Richie leaving on Aug 15. I guess it’s not a very good joke if you have to explain it. :-) ;-) :-)

  91. Milo Hamilton says:

    One more nail in poor Luis Silverio’s coffin. Poor guy didn’t stand a chance.

  92. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Holy crap…….seriously picked off?

  93. Jandy says:

    AW, zactly…which was why I made my tongue-in-cheek comment lol

  94. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I do like to repeat things..just wanna make sure people know about things…”get the papers, get the papers”

  95. Jandy says:

    dang, was he attempting to steal 2nd or get caught napping at 1st??

  96. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    BTW. Backoff me being late…..I’m 3 hours behind and my reception in the the dungeon isn’t very good.

  97. Jandy says:

    Yeah guys, Ryan is in Call..he’s sleeping when I’m starting work ;)

  98. Milo Hamilton says:


    Jimmy Two Times.

  99. Milo Hamilton says:

    These pickoffs just make the fastest game of the year go even faster.

  100. Jandy says:

    It really bugs me that these guys can’t/don’t come thru with a win for AJ.

  101. Arriba Wilver says:

    Just pulling your chain, Ryan. I appreciate the banter, too.

  102. Jandy says:

    Well, AJ got one back.

  103. radio wave says:

    Considering his season, was PA right in not going to winter ball?

  104. Arriba Wilver says:

    Radio–I don’t know the answer to your question, but the FO and Clint sure seem to have been proven right on not sending him to AAA.

  105. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Nice catch buddy….#FavoriteMovie

  106. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I know. I do the same.

  107. pattonbb says:

    “Organizational Indifference” is one of my favorite lines of the season. Well done, sir.

    This day always bums me out. Or at least it has for 20 years. Having said that, this was without a doubt, the most fun I’ve had following the Bucs since I left the Pittsburgh area. It also may have been the most disappointing. Guess that’s the curse of being a Pirates fan.

    Thanks Dejan, for….well, for everything. I look forward to your columns regardless of the subject matter, but the baseball coverage is golden. I don’t always agree with you, but I usually learn something, and I always enjoy the writing so for that I say thanks.

    I’d also like to thank JAL for always having those morning links for me by the time the coffee is ready.

    And the rest of you, too. Thanks for the interesting debates and fun conversation. I’m pretty sure some of you are certifiably insane, but I enjoyed the interaction. Can’t wait ’til next year.

    ….fear the Bones….

  108. Jandy says:

    pattonvv, make sure you stop in once n a while and say hey…JAL will still be posting morning links, right JAL?

  109. Arriba Wilver says:

    “And the rest of you, too. Thanks for the interesting debates and fun conversation. I’m pretty sure some of you are certifiably insane, but I enjoyed the interaction.”

    Truer words were never spoken,

  110. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Or really, really bored.

  111. Milo Hamilton says:

    Am I some sort of leper because I don’t hate Chipper Jones ?

  112. Karen22 says:

    My husband follows DK on Twitter and he shared the best tweet of the season with me. We both laughed out loud. “Organizational indifference” indeed! Punctuation mark of the season. Touche!

  113. Jandy says:

    I don’t hate CHipper,. but I don’t like him either.
    But no, Milo, you’re not a leper.

  114. Arriba Wilver says:

    Milo–I’d have to join you in the colony because I don’t hate him, either. But I don’t hate Ray Lewis, so I’d be there anyway.

  115. Karen22 says:


  116. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy—can you talk to Karen? Please? :-)

  117. Jandy says:

    jeez…walked Ugly now the bases loaded.

  118. Jandy says:

    LOL AW, I’m sitting here laughing…

    Karen? hey about these guys,…ya know…Milo and AW, and the rest of the Asylum…

  119. Jandy says:

    Chipper isn’t enough of a … prima donna… to hate him.
    Barry Bonds, yes. Ryan Braun, yes.

    Chipper, no. karen, ya gotta cut them some slack…;)

  120. Jandy says:

    3-0 and bases still loaded. :;sigh::

  121. NMR says:


    I think winter ball could’ve allowed him to get comfortable with his approach instead of learning on the fly. Remember back in Spring Training how screwed up he was?

    By my eye, right now he’s a lot closer to the swing he had when he broke into the league than he is to that awful step-hitch-wiggle business he was sporting early this year. Seems to have simplified things much more.

    2012, ST:
    2012, June:

  122. Milo Hamilton says:

    Ahh yes, one more Garrett Jones – “there’s no way I can throw the ball to 2nd base without hitting that guy in the back” moment.

  123. Jandy says:

    hit him in the back! Grrr!!!

  124. Jandy says:

    Qualls?? smh

  125. Karen22 says:

    Hey, cut ME some slack! I’m cranky today and probably hate Chipper because he’s a Brave. Oh, and he always appeared arrogant to me in his younger days…don’t like that at all in someone blessed with a talent. I’ve just never liked him (perhaps “hate” is a bit strong, but I said I’m cranky). So, Milo, I suppose you haven’t exactly joined the colony yet—maybe you just have warts.

  126. Karen22 says:

    Jandy, you are correct. I reserve my “hate” for Braun and Bonds. Jones really doesn’t qualify for that club.

  127. Arriba Wilver says:

    So, it’s beginning to look like Mr. “82 wins is an absolute lock” is still going to come out smelling like a rose with his preseason 79 win prediction. There is no justice. None.

  128. Jandy says:

    Karen, agreed!

    AW, Milo…how’s that for trying? lol

  129. Jandy says:

    these guys are just rolling over and playing dead.

  130. Jandy says:

    Where’s Lucky, his favorite pitcher is in.

  131. Milo Hamilton says:

    Andrelton Simmons was drafted #70 by the Braves in 2010. The Pirates drafted Stetson Allie with the 52nd pick.

    Darn, unlucky again. :)

  132. Tooch says:

    Ever wonder why the Angels, who had one of the worst bullpens in MLB at the time, cut our current pitcher?

  133. Jandy says:

    that pitcher just fanned the last couple batters.

  134. Tooch says:

    “these guys are just rolling over and playing dead.”

    Not unlike the last several weeks!!

  135. Jandy says:

    Tooch, yeah I know. It’s depressing. I know AJ didn’t pitch well, but it seems the last 3 or 4 games he did pitch, our guys didn’t bat for him.

  136. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I have no clue what I predicted.

  137. Tooch says:

    Takahashi was known as “Hitahomer” Takahashi here in Anaheim.

  138. Jandy says:

    Tooch, another Californian eh?

  139. Jandy says:

    Seems like no one wants to miss their flight outta here.

  140. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    That’s SoCal, they don’t count.

  141. Jandy says:

    :;sigh:: 3 up and 3 down.

  142. Jandy says:

    Ryan lol

  143. Jandy says:

    Tabatha replaces McCutchen

  144. Tooch says:

    @Ryan – LOL!!

    Grew up in Erie, left in 85. Been here since.

  145. Jandy says:

    Tooch, that splains it then.

  146. Milo Hamilton says:

    Class move by Hurdle to get McCutchen a standing ovation.

    Similarly, he’s instructed Jose Tabata to get picked off 1st base for his curtain call.

  147. Steve says:

    Looks like the Bucs are going to go softly into the good night.

  148. Jandy says:

    Milo, lol

  149. Jandy says:

    Steve, if you mean they will go slinking out the back gate with their tails between their legs, and make a mad dash for the airport, then yes!

  150. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy–thanks for the yeoman effort. :-)

  151. Jandy says:

    Wow, Leroux got a 1-2-3 out inning.

  152. Jandy says:

    AW, hey don’t mention it, friend ;)

  153. Jandy says:


  154. Milo Hamilton says:


    Sorry, last time I could use it.

  155. Jandy says:

    Milo, you took the words right outta my mouth, friend.

  156. Milo Hamilton says:

    If Rick VandenHurk is the MVP of your Triple A team, I consider that a big negative.

  157. Jandy says:

    WTH? why take leroux out now?
    VandenHurk can sit on the bench.

  158. Jandy says:

    Coming up ::drumroll::
    the last three outs of the 2012 season!

  159. Milo Hamilton says:


    I’ll sign up for the last 2 outs of the 2012 season. Wishful thinking, I know.

  160. Jandy says:

    2 on, no outs, wow. just wow.

  161. Jandy says:

    Milo, at this point, you could do just as good as, if not better than, what’s in there!

  162. Leefoo says:

    Milo…yeh, Simmons is in the majors, 15 picks behnd Allie, but where is THEIR 2008 1st rounder….oh yeah…the Sally League.

    I guess they weren’t so ‘good’ back then.




  163. Jandy says:

    And Foo makes an appearance ;)

  164. Leefoo says:

    So who is to blame for THIS mail- in performance or are they just saying goodbye to Gregg Ritchie?



  165. Jandy says:

    Foo, I told you, they don’t want to miss their flights outta town!

  166. Leefoo says:

    Hi…Jandy…I took a nap long about 2-0…had little faith in a comeback.



  167. Leefoo says:

    Jandy…i enjoyed reading the banter.


  168. Jandy says:

    Foo, I don’t have faith either, but I’d sure like to see someone do SOMETHING! besides strike out. ya know…

  169. Jandy says:

    Crazy Foo, there’s always that in here lol

  170. Leefoo says:

    I am gonna miss all those ROOT crowd shots.

    Best part of the game!



  171. Jandy says:

    I wish I had hockey to look forward to.
    I HATE Gary Bettman.

  172. Leefoo says:

    Every one left pls have a good off season!
    C Ya
    Hot Stove Foo

  173. Leefoo says:

    Jandy…outside of FB, for me, not much else to watch.

    I hate winters!


  174. Steve says:

    Jandy – probably early tee times for several of the players tomorrow. Why jeopardize travel plans with a long game today?

  175. Jandy says:

    Foo, ya’ll come back now, hear?

  176. Jandy says:

    Steve, I hear ya!

  177. buggee says:

    So the Battlin’ Buccos need a new hitting coach, eh?

    Might I humbly suggest Rod Barajas?

  178. Milo Hamilton says:

    I feel as if I just stopped banging my head off the wall.

  179. buggee says:

    winters are for curling up naked in bearskin

  180. Jandy says:

    Foo, I hate winter, I hate snow. Go figure. lol

  181. Jandy says:

    buggee!!!!! Hey friend!

  182. Jandy says:

    Milo, don’t worry, it will wear off.

  183. The Gunner says:

    How appropriate! The Braves strike out the side in the bottom of the 9th as the Bucs lose.

  184. JoeBucco says:

    Well, it’s been real.

    How long until pitchers and catchers report?

  185. buggee says:

    Jandylicious, looks like you (and all the Bucs’ fans out there) need some solid pre-holiday cheer. How ya doin’ gorgeous?

  186. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Can we all now take a deep breathe, sigh of relief that the debacle is over.

  187. twentytwo22 says:

    Marte kills the Braves for two games and then gets one at his head in the 9th inning of a 4-0 game and there was no fight. F that Atlanta pitcher and his whole damn family. The Pirates are cowards and will never win until that changes. Ever.

  188. Jandy says:

    JoeBucco, so real, it hurts, man!

    buggee, I’m feeling a bit better. Cough isn’t as tough on me this week as last week. Thanks for asking,friend.

    Ryan, until next season…

  189. buggee says:

    Another Mickey-Mouse uninspired heaping helping of baseball DREK, compliments of your…Pittsburgh…Pirates.

    Raise the jolly shuttlecock. But remember, if it’s up there longer than 4 hours, seek medical attention

  190. Drew71 says:

    Start the countdown.

  191. Jandy says:


    OK guys, I gotta wrap up some stuff. Thanks for ALL the wisdom you all have imparted over this season. I soaked up as much as I could. I’ll look forward to adding to it next season.

    Hockey…where are you????

    DK: Seconded.

  192. buggee says:

    Good to hear Jandy. In the words of the Worlds Most Interesting Man; “Stay Healthy my friend.” To me that means lot’s of Kraken Rum

  193. Mike says:

    The problem with the Pirates is that you simply cannot fire the owner. Sure the club could spend its resources on better baseball people, but lets face it whats the draw for any free agent to come here? The only ones that do have no other options or offers because what agent would tell a player to come play for the worst organization in all of professional sports? The other thing I question is why would a good baseball person come to this organization? Huntington was what 4th on the depth chart in Cleveland? It starts at the top and that’s whose head need to roll. Untill that happens it might be the safest bet in sports to just add another year onto that impressive losing streak. Lastly can the fans please stay away from supporting this joke of an organization???? I beg you. You are all enablers.

  194. Dave G says:

    Is Greg Brown serious?

    “Hanrahan will wind up with 36 saves unless the Pirates rally…”

    He can only win the game and only if they rally…

  195. TJA says:

    To All – Thanks for great conversation this summer. This blog group (yes,wow, crazy at times!) is tremendous. You guys gave me some great laughs and knowledge. I’ll have something to add after the World Series. It’s a great closing piece on baseball, but needs to come after the final World Series game. In the meantime, good health and take care to one and all!

  196. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Nice to see 22 make is appearance of irrelevancy.

    No I didn’t see it, but to expect them to “charge the mound” or start a fight on the last game of the season, is completely useless and classless.

  197. Dave G says:

    Goodbye, 2012.


    Should be an interesting off-season …

    DK: Agreed.

  198. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Dave G

    Sometimes silence is golden. Greg Brown’s information is sometimes silence fodder, much like that comment.

  199. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    I do think this season is put up or shut up season. Starting with the management decisions.

  200. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Even though I’m not the biggest hawkey fan arannd…Need some sports durning the week before football…

    Now I might have to watch all of the wife’s DVR’d shows.

    Thanks NHL, thanks a lot.

  201. TJA says:

    By the way: I still like Baltimore and Washington in the Fall Classic.

  202. JUCOFan says:

    And the season ends with a dud…fitting

  203. Reading says:

    Re: Top to Bottom Team Review

    When Capt. Queeg ordered the officers of the CAINE to investigate the missing strawberries from the wardroom freezer and issue a written report, the report went something like:

    “The Board of Investigation was unable to learn anything further.”

  204. Karen22 says:

    Fittingly laid a goose egg on the final day of the season. As for moi, I’m burning the Jolly Roger. Won’t raise another unless heads roll. I do NOT appreciate my baseball heart being teased and then ripped from my chest by a completely incompetent administration. Are you listening Bob????

    That being said, I still love the game of baseball with all my soul, and this blog is a blast to follow. My playoff allegiance is now off to Detroit (the 1984 World Series team is the only reason I’ll ever admit to having lived there for the six longest years of my life). GO TIGERS!!

  205. JHadar says:

    Well, that’s over.

    All you guys who are saying “at least we improved.” That’s true. Silver lining in a dark dark cloud.

    Wait’ll next year. It could happen. Also true.

    Nonetheless, I’m not happy. Not satisfied. Not at all. No way. Nohow.

    Plain and simple — they had the playoffs in their hands and a good shot at the division.

    And they blew it.

    Sky high.

    I can no longer celebrate incremental improvements.

    OK, it’s gone from calamitous to fixable — but it is not fixed.

    Fix it.

    I hate it when the season ends.

    I hate it worse when the season ends badly.

    I’ll heal.

    I’ll root for the Pirates again next year.

    I sure hope it’s not the same old Pirates.

    You don’t need to tear the house down.

    You need to clean it up.

  206. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Bob isn’t listening…..

  207. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    OK, for those still around.

    Serious WS predictions?

    Me likes the idea of another Bay Area WS.


    Millions of Giants fans rejoice, while the 5,000 A’s fans thank Billy Beane and his crew for another miracle season.

  208. Reading says:

    Lower the Jolly Roger, fold it up carefully, and stow it inside the Flag Locker.

  209. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    Any WS predictions, since you nailed the Pirates record one.

  210. buggee says:

    Wow JHader, that was so eloquent and so accurate. Tremendous post sir!

  211. Milo Hamilton says:

    I hope the Yankees win the World Series. But I hope for that every year considering what I really want will never happen.

  212. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Seriously, Yankees Milo.

    Didn’t seem like the type. Figured you for an underdog type of guy.

  213. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Me: Giants
    Milo: Yankees

  214. Tooch says:


    I’m thinking Reds/Texas.

    Really, I won’t care because I will be in Malaysia until December 10th.

  215. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:



  216. Milo Hamilton says:


    I got sucked in when Chris Chambliss hit his pennant winner against KC in 1976. Since there’s rarely if ever a conflict with the Buccos it works out for me.

  217. JHadar says:

    Ryan — Mrs. H is kind enough to root for the Bucs when they’re on, even though she’s from Sacramento and a Giant fan from youth on — Mays, McCovey, and Bobby Bonds and all.

    I owe it to her to support those guys and will always go with the NL team.

  218. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’d like to see the Nats, but not sure they can do it without Strasburg.

  219. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I’m with ya. Im just north of Sac, but the wife is a Giants/Northern Cali girl also.

    Her memories are of the earthquake series with Williams, Clark and can’t stand Barry Bonds, but basically because of me.

    Hates the A’s also.

  220. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I wasn’t even born yet at that time…..I’ve never liked the Yankees, even in those younger, jump on the bandwagon type years.

  221. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Nats would be kinda cool

  222. JMB says:

    79-83 — 7 game improvement)

    4th place — No improvement.

    Attendance up about 150k

    2011 RS 610 RA 712

    2012 RS 651 RA 674

  223. Corey says:

    Tigers over the Braves.

    Leyland finally gets his win over Atlanta.

  224. JMB says:

    Giants vs. Orioles for me.

  225. Arriba Wilver says:

    JH–I know what you’re saying about the tradition of supporting the NL team. Me, too, almost always. Sometimes underdog status trumps that for me, like last year. Yes, I got ridiculed for calling the Rangers the underdog, but my horizon is longer than this season. To me, the Rangers, who had never won a WS, against the Cards, probably the most successful National League franchise in history, meant the Rangers were the underdogs. (well, that, and the fact I can’t stand LaRussa)

  226. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Let’s keep it going. Who else?

    Me: Giants
    Milo: Yankees
    JHader: Giants
    Arriba: Nats

  227. JMB says:

    JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm
    Reds will open playoffs in SF against the Giants on Sat….Cain vs. Cueto

  228. Drew71 says:

    I am amazed by what I am about to write.

    I now put all my hopes for this team in the hands of Bob Nutting.

  229. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Me: Giants
    Milo: Yankees
    JHader: Giants
    Arriba: Nats
    Corey: Tigers (ug on Leyland)

  230. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    What a matchup! Cain dominates.

    A very quiet ACE.

  231. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    What else can you do? Either jump ship (almost a whoops there) or suck it up and hope his accountability talk takes place.

  232. NMR says:

    I’d pick the Cards to make it back if they didn’t have to face Medlen in the pre-wild card game. Just can’t pick against the kid right now.

    I’ll take the Reds over Yanks in the Series.

  233. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    What’s the deal with Strasburg? ESPN was showing him not starting their series. Are they waiting until the World Series to play him?

    I’m thinking San Fran-Texas, Texas in 6. Hamilton series MVP.

  234. NMR says:

    Remember waaaaay back in April when blogs would get 50 comments? Dejan’s blowin’ up the the Pirates bullpen.

    I reciprocate all the thanks as well, but in the immortal words of our fearless captain, “The blog never sleeps”.

    See you lunatics later.

  235. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    And I’m still waiting for the “Thank you to the dumbest fans in all of baseball!” image on

  236. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Gotcha….interesting series there.

  237. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Me: Giants
    Milo: Yankees
    JHader: Giants
    Arriba: Nats
    Corey: Tigers (ug on Leyland)
    NMR: Reds
    Brad: Rangers

  238. JAL says:


    They shut Strasburg down several weeks ago. Had an innings limit on him.

  239. Brad, Indiana PA says:


    I knew they had shut him down (don’t agree with it, but heard about it)… personally I’d want him pitching any series opener for me so you can get an early lead and have him available quicker if need be.

  240. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Of course I’m also of the opinion that Hammer should start every game for one inning when Wandy is going to pitch next year. Seems like after first inning blues he gets 15 straight outs on about 28 pitches after the first.

  241. pattonbb says:

    A’s over the Reds.

    Billy Beane gets his ticket to Cooperstown punched with a World Series title.

  242. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Hardly anyone picking Street Louis… probably means they are going to repeat. I don’t like birds in general- especially red ones.

  243. JHadar says:

    Ryan — That needs a summary like
    Giants 2, Yankees 1, Reds 1, Nats 1, Tigers 1, Rangers 1

  244. Leefoo says:

    After looking at that awesome list of players that DL left us with, I realized that, as far as Starting pitching goes, he left us with one frikkin MLB caliber starting pitcher. ONE!

    Can’t count McFearsome yet..

    It is so hard to cobble together a pitching staff! Some orgs never seem to get them!

    That’s a heckuva 8 ball to start behind.

    Going into next year we have TWO, AJ and Wandy. Unless we come up with 3 more good ones, it could be another long year.

    JMac, Karstys, etc, are all question marks.

    Do we go after Brandon McCarthy in Free agency?

    Beeyitchin bout pitchin Foo

  245. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    I’ll get there.

  246. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Me: Giants
    Milo: Yankees
    JHader: Giants
    Arriba: Nats
    Corey: Tigers (ug on Leyland)
    NMR: Reds
    Brad: Rangers
    Pattonbb: A’s

    Giants 2, Yankees/Nats/Tigers/Reds/Rangers/A’s 1

  247. JHadar says:


    C’mon there’s always scarlet tanagers and vermillion flycatchers …

  248. MrB says:

    Yet once again the Pirates go out with a whimper and not a bang…

  249. JHadar says:

    DK — Did read something at the end of last night’s thread about an announcement about new blog software?

    Just curious.

  250. JHadar says:

    And if we get new software will it let us edit our posts.

    Seems I should’ve said “Did I read” at the beginning of my last one.

    I can still think a little, but my typing is like a rookie pitcher, fast and wild.

  251. JHadar says:

    Should have been “edit our posts?’

    See why we need that feature?

  252. JHadar says:

    Only with a double quote at the end.

    I’m not doing it on purpose.

  253. Bradthedad says:

    Part of me wants to root for Billy Beane’s A’s but I can’t escape the feeling he begat NH’s philosophy on player evaluation.

  254. Chuck H says:

    Now that’s what I mean about FUTILITY- 4 singles off an assortment of no-name
    relievers . That’s the best we could do to close out the season. And we had our best pitcher in there, and he, again, got no run support. I really do hope we trade him to a
    team which has some hitters. But of course, the owners made a lot of money with a team of auto outs and quitters, so they will be satisfied to stand pat with the players we had this year and let the poor suckers who buy the tickets to watch those horrible
    games. As long as they made a profit, that’s all they care about. GO STEELERS!!!

  255. JMB says:

    Congrats to the Athletics!

    What a way to finish: 13 games down on June 30th. Four games out a week ago. And now, today, division champs.

  256. Eric Bowser says:

    I want to make it clear to the Pirates ownership about this offseason. I don’t want to hear about prospects, I don’t want to hear about your market size, your lack of revenues. I don’t want to hear excuses as to why you can’t play in the big boys game called free agency.

    In November, I want to hear how the Pirates are contacting all the top players and get this, how they signed one of them and got a few others to help.

    This offseason MUST be about now, about game 1 through game 162.

    The losing ends now, the excuses stop now, and the winning starts now.


  257. Drew71 says:

    I’m pulling for the A’s.

    They aren’t the Anti-Pirates. (That would be the Yankees.)

    More like the Reverse-Mirror-Image-Pirates.

    You know. Identically opposite.

    In other words, competent.

  258. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    This was the year for lower market teams in MLB, and Baltimore and Oakland have taken advantage of it.
    Unfortunately….The Pirates did not.
    I still say the NL Central was for the taking, and the Bucs were in position to compete for it in late July.
    What GM Neal Huntington did (and didn’t do), immediately took the Pirates out of the division race…..And it wasn’t long until it also helped to take them out of the wild card chase.
    Mark my words….The NL will get alot tougher next year, and the Pirates will fall alot sooner.
    When you don’t take advantage of these kinds of opportunities (Which GM Huntington did not…For whatever reason)….The next thing you know, it might be 20 years before another chance presents itself.

  259. Matt (cambria co.) says:

    I’m throwing this idea out there because I have frustration to channel.

    So, I can’t not pull for Pittsburgh. I’m taking it out on the other cities.

    I’m not watching other team’s games anymore. I’m not gonna help their ratings revenue. I used to go to see the Steelers play in Baltimore. That’s done. There’s plenty of entertainment around here. Go see a show or something.

    My thinking for the Bucs next year is I’ll go when AJ pitches.

  260. Pat4Pgh says:

    Until Mr. Nutting fires Neal Huntington, I have attended my last game @ PNC Park – I went to the game last night and this afternoon, but I cannot support a failed organizational approach any longer. No one in a position of authority in the Pirate organization knows enough about baseball to hole d their current job.

    Unlike, Matt (# 261), the next Pirate game I will attend will be in Detroit next year. I will not give another penny to Nutting as long as Huntington is employed by the Pirates.

    DK saw you in the press box today – I was the guy in section 318 yeeling to “Fire Neal Huntington”……

    Enough for now……

  261. Eric Bowser says:

    watching the Presidential debate… reminds me of some other debate we had around these parts over the last 24 hours.

  262. Leefoo says:

    Eric…is Obama cranking out those senatorial draft lists again?




  263. cosmo says:

    Open the season shut out
    End the season shut out.

    will any of the following be here in 2013

    G. Jones
    J. Tabata
    J. Karstens
    K. Corriea
    J. Hanrahan

    It’s been nice knowin ya fellows

  264. PI Pete says:

    Next year-

    There is no guarantee that the Pirates will be as relatively injury-free next year as they were this year, Only Karstens and Walker (long after the death spiral had begun) missed significant time.

    The Pirates will not have 15 opportunities to beat up the pathetic Astros, and the Cubs are certain to develop, as illustrated by how thoroughly they dominated the Pirates in August and September.

    Look for the Cards to make a major signing in the off-season (Josh Hamilton will be out there, probably), and I look for them to get their pitchers back and dominate the Division.

    The possible losses of Karstens, Jones, and Correia will be difficult for the Pirates to effectively overcome. Wouldn’t be surprised to see TBMTIB replace them with youngsters, and spin the loss of experience as another reason that the “window of contention” will be pushed back even further.

    The Pirates better NOT have 2 players in the batting order struggling around the Mendoza line. A good team can afford to have one such player, if he is good on defense, but having 2 and the pitcher in the lineup creates 3 innings per game where the possibility of scoring runs is remote at best.

    My preliminary guess is that, due to the infusion of more young players into the roster, the Pirates will take a step back next year (75 wins?), and TBMTIB will explain it by pointing out that the youngsters on the roster have to be given time to learn. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Locke and McPherson in the rotation, and they may rush Tony Sanchez up to catch. Obviously, the way they have had the announcers touting Marte, you know he’ll be the starter in left, even though he could use at least another half-year in AAA. You know that Huntington will want to justify his acquisition of Snider, so you’ll see whoever is the manager use him extensively despite his limited ML experience.

    Remember,there is no guarantee that a team will continue to improve just because the calendar turns over again. The Pirates have to make improvements to get to the next level. If history is our teacher, they’ll push bring up more youngsters(too early), sign a couple lower level free-agents, and that will likely not be enough to take the next step. But, Nutting will happily maintain the status quo because the giveaways, concerts, and fireworks nights will keep the paying customers coming, and the profits will continue. Meanwhile, the real baseball fans will undergo another year of misery.

  265. woomer says:


    -Why would Jones NOT be here, huh?
    -Why would we even WANT Qualls, Barajas and Takahsi to be here?
    – Are you suggesting that there’s another team that would want to take over Tabata’s contract?
    – Karstens is the wild card. I see no reason they shouldn’t keep him…but that still seems to be up in the air.
    – Corriea obviously doesn’t want to be here next year and he’s a free agent, so you’re right on that one.
    – If Hanrahan is not here, it’ll be because they sign and trade him. They won’t non-tender him when they can sign him (through arbitration, if necessary) and then either keep or trade him on their own timeline.

  266. Steve J. Smith says:

    @ryan, I got Tigers over the Reds. Go Leyland!

  267. BarryVanBonilla says:

    :-) The player I mentioned who was dissed by Stark was not Mike Easler. Oldr than Easler, younger than Virdon. And completely, totally, absolutely inexcusable.

  268. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Man, did those players get out of Dodge quickly. Saw Wandy in the security line at the airport at 4:30, and Correia, Qualls and Mercer (with wife and adorable baby) at the gate, and on my flight to Dallas at 6:10.

  269. Tooch says:


    Winner – Reds.

  270. Dave G says:


    Reds win Series in 6.

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