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Friday Wakeup Call: The genius of Bill O'Brien

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media columnist

Brief and to the Point …

>> The Friday column boldly forecasts collegiate greatness for a 7-foot center who went 0-for-0 from the field and 0-for-0 from the stripe in 24 minutes of action the other day.

That, of course, is Pitt’s Steven Adams.

Very interested to hear from those of you who have paid close attention to the Panthers to date.

>> The chat transcript from yesterday covered a smorgasbord of sporting stuff from Steelers to Sutters to other silliness, including someone calling me Bob.

>> Bill O’Brien is a genius.

No, really, I can’t concoct another scenario to explain how word floats out that he interviewed for the Browns’ opening, only to have it pay off with a handsome reward to stay at Penn State by late last night. Seemingly in the snap of a finger, O’Brien not only goes from hero to goat to hero, but he also solidifies the public perception that he’s not going anywhere and makes himself a big pile of money.

Love it.

That man could run my military-style baseball camp any day of the week.

I am all about Bill O’Brien.

And Michael Mauti, too. I am all about Bill O’Brien and Michael Mauti.

>> The people involved in the NHL talks care a lot more about themselves than they do about the game. No other way anyone could look at the actual positions of these two sides and see anything other than pure personality conflicts at this point.

None of these suits, including the commissioner, should ever set foot in an NHL rink again.

>> I was asked by Baseball America — and accepted the offer — to write a feature for their mid-January issue about the Pirates’ ‘Hoka Hey’ stuff. It apparently will run in conjunction with their annual top-10 prospects lists for the National League Central.

Nothing new or earth-shattering in there, but I thought I’d share this one small segment about Mike Leuzinger, the excellent Texas scout who recently quit because the Pirates wouldn’t promote him.

Huntington acknowledged in a mid-December interview with a group of bloggers that Leuzinger was “one of our best area scouts” and that Leuzinger had “expressed some disappointment at being passed over a couple times” to become a supervisor.

Huntington’s explanation for that: “For whatever reason, we made a decision — reasons I support — we made a decision to hire Scout X or Scout Y as a supervisor over Mike.”

I am all about Scout X or Scout Y. Whichever one was promoted over the best scout on the staff.


  1. Jason81 says:

    “That man could run my military-style baseball camp any day of the week. Telephone poles, sand bags, hoses, whips and chains and shackles and cuffs, whatever he wants.”

    What, no kittens?

  2. Ghost says:

    Not one, not two, but THREE doses of Hoka Hey this morning! I can already see and hear the toothless villagers rounding the corner with their pitchforks.

    DK: The above blog entry was brought to you by our good friends at Pepperidge Farm.

  3. Reading says:

    Pitt’s coach was more principled. Presumably, he could have had Wisconsin job, but didn’t parlay that into an essentially new contract.

    DK: There’s still no real indication Paul Chryst was offered that job.

  4. charles8842 says:

    Haley to the Cardinals – Wow! Their #1 running back is LaRod Stephens-Howling (former Pitt player – remember?) By the way, he’s 5-7, 185 lbs. Haley will do great running him between the tackles into the pileup all the time, eventually killing him – don’t you think?

  5. Dan1283 says:

    Shame on the NCAA for leveling that massive fine against PSU. That $60 million hit Penn State so hard they went and doubled down to keep an already multi-million dollar salary football coach. Talk about de-emphasizing football!

  6. Ghost says:

    ” … brought to you by our good friends at Pepperidge Farm.”

    That’s a riot!

    And what a hilarious code phrase for 115 Federal Street, going forward:


  7. Dan1283 says:

    In all seriousness I’m not a fan of college football all that much so I’d like to know how many coaches with NFL pedigress jump down to the college level and stay there? PSU is essentially throwing a gob of money at this guy to keep him for another year.

    Risky move by O’Brien. I doubt his stock will ever be higher, especially when they go 5-7 next year or worse. At least the man was smart enough to cash in while he could. If this scandal happens at any other school, and the same penalties happen, I’m betting they let the guy walk when he strolls in demanding a huge raise to stay for, maybe at best, one more year when they can’t play for anything tangible except for the revenues anyways. It’s just football – go pay some young guy a half million (still a ton of money) and say so long to Bill-O.

    The guy isn’t Bear Bryant yet. And chew on this – maybe it’s not so much that he’s a genius coach who did the impossible, but maybe the talent that he inherited was just a whole lot better than anyone thought and the previous regime badly mis-managed it?

  8. Dan1283 says:

    I wonder who is making Ghost (#2) read and react to the Hoka Hey guy’s blog if he hates it so much?

    Oh wait, no I don’t…

  9. Stuart says:

    DK Adams looks patient more than anything. Like he’s just waiting to take over a game. He doesn’t call for the ball,and doesn’t seem to play with intensity. Maybe he’s waiting for someone tp pi$$ him off. You can tell that “it” is ther however. I think we’ll see an awesome takeover of the game soon.


  10. Ghost says:

    I assure you I like it here very much and I happen to have appreciated the Hoka Hey coverage. (Though by all the slings and arrows hurled DK’s way, you would think he was carpet bombing Dresden with his coverage of it.) Today I did misinterpret a tongue-in-cheek remark by Nate on same subject, so I can see how mine too was misinterpreted.

  11. Dan1283 says:


    If your comment was made in jest then it went way over my head and I owe you an apology. Pick up your post and plant it in the comments of a handful of other Pirates blogs and it’s snug as a bug in a rug.

  12. Ghost says:

    Definitely made in jest (and in anticipation of some of the oh-too-predictable reactions we’ll be in for), but your apology is hardly necessary.
    The only other blog I have ever visited is Smizik’s. It’s better over here.

  13. Dan1283 says:

    Nah, I messed up. My bad, dude.

    Oh wow, I apologize for saying “my bad” too…I hate that phrase. I’ll take my tab, guys. I’m heading to bed.

  14. manny _sanguine says:

    “At Pepperidge Farm…we think it’s a good day to die.”

  15. Reading says:

    I’m suspecting that Scout X and Scout Y were more familiar with the fertile ballfields surrounding the Little Bighorn- a new area of emphasis.

  16. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Huntington acknowledged in a mid-December interview with a group of bloggers that Leuzinger was “one of our best area scouts” and that Leuzinger had “expressed some disappointment at being passed over a couple times” to become a supervisor.
    A mid-Dec group of bloggers…….How convenient.

  17. John Lease says:

    A group of bloggers? Or, perhaps more accurately, boot-lickers. I personally find it amazing that a team that they claim to love that has sucked so much for so long gets a pass on whatever they do. Of course Timmy Wimmy isn’t a ‘fan’ of the Pirates, as he told me.

    Just trying to make a buck off of them.

  18. 21sthebest says:

    “Just trying to make a buck off of them.”

    This is a bad thing?

  19. Thundercrack says:

    I am trying to remember a scenario that a college coach interviewed for an NFL job, decided to stay at the college, and did NOT then get a raise from the school.

    Seems like it happens just about every time.

  20. Thundercrack says:

    ‘That man could run my military-style baseball camp any day of the week.’

    Noted. DK was the first to bring this up today.

    Carry on…

  21. Jandy says:

    Getting testy in here already. Dayum.
    I for one can’t wait tilL Dejan’s article hits Baseball America.
    I wonder if TBMTIB will put a bounty on Dejan’s head?

    Stay tuned….this is better than Survivor!

  22. JAL says:

    JAL’s Bob Dylan Blues Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    Winter Leagues Recap: Latimore Makes His Debut

    First Pitch: Killing Your Giancarlo Stanton Dreams

    5 Rumbunter

    Pittsburgh Sports Forum: Pirates Will Be Getting A New Logo In 2014

    Pittsburgh Pirates Rumors: Who Is Mike Pagliarulo And Did New Advisor Bill Livesey Pull The Trigger</b?

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Indians sign Nick Swisher; Cubs finalize with Edwin Jackson

    7 PBC Site

    Living legacy: Walker carries spirit of Clemente

    8 The Green Weenie

    Stolmy Pimentel

    9 KDKA

    One Dog Isn’t A Fan Of Andrew McCutchen

    10 Bloguin

    Why your favorite team won’t trade for Giancarlo Stanton

  23. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 Fox Sports

    Baseball free agents left hanging

    12 NY Daily News

    Yankees’ Rafael Soriano tops list of Major League Baseball’s top free agents this offseason

    13 USA Today

    Trades, rules suppressing market for MLB free agents

    14 Sporting News

    Baseball Hall of Fame 2013: Biggio, Piazza, Schilling are top newcomers

    15 Baseball Nation

    Ryan Freel, Major League Baseball, and Concussions

    16 Deadspin

    The Poor Astros Will Be Sent To Slaughter On Baseball’s Opening Night

    17 MLB Reports

    Major League: Revisiting One of the Greatest Baseball Movies of All Time

    18 Sweetspot

    Impossible Giancarlo Stanton trade ideas


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    The Saddest Age-27 Seasons of 2012

    20 Fangraphs

    A Look at the Winter’s Replacements

  24. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    5 Burning Questions on the 2012 Pittsburgh Steelers

    January just isn’t the same without the Steelers in the playoffs

    22 Steelers Depot

    - What If Todd Haley Gets the Cardinals Job?

    23 Nice Pick Cowher

    Why This Steelers Fan Won’t Miss Ray Lewis

    Pitt Blogs

    24 Pitt Blather

    BBVA, Football, Notes, Etc.

    25 Cardiac Hill

    The Cardiac Hill Roadshow – Traveling to the BBVA Compass Bowl

    WVU Blogs

    26 Metro News

    Mountaineers in 2013: Answering the Who? What? Wher

    27 WV Illustrated

    WVU Not In Terrible Shape As Big 12 Play Begins


    28 Sky Sports

    Roberto Mancini and Mario Balotelli in Manchester City training bust-up

    29 Daily Telegraph

    Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew warns owner Mike Ashley they could go down unless they spend big

    30 World Soccer Daily

    World Soccer Daily: 10 stories you need to read, 3rd January, 2013


    31 NY Times

    After a Spurt of Optimism in N.H.L. Lockout, Union Considers Options

    32 Philadelphia Inquirer

    NHL labor dispute: Negotiations hit another impasse

    33 New Jersey Star Ledger

    NHL lockout: Will Don Fehr change tactics and dissolve NHLPA?

    35 Yahoo Sports

    Lockout staredown is all about timing as NHL, NHLPA near point of no return–lockout-staredown-is-all-about-timing-as-nhl–nhlpa-near-point-of-no-return-170014947.html

  25. JAL says:

    Bob Dylan Blues Syd Barrett 1965 Founding member of Pink Floyd wrote and recorded the song but it was neglected and did not appear on an album until David Gilmour found it in his collection. Song finally released in 2001.

  26. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    I wonder what geographic feature the NHL and NHLPA are willing to die on this time…
    Mt. Stupid or Old Donkey?

  27. Jandy says:

    Indian lake

  28. JAL,

    Either I missed it, or I haven’t been “with it” enough to pick up on the music theme you are on now.

    Elucidate, please, for us uncool cats.

  29. Drew71 says:

    If not for that nutty old raisin in Kentucky, we probably woulda picked Town Talk

  30. Curt says:

    Bill O’Brien has me “Billieving”. The guy seems like he knows what he is doing and just instills this confidence throughout the team and fan base!
    Hope he keeps building on last year and keeps bringing in solid recruits!

  31. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    -I hope Zach Parise and Ryan Suter enjoy their ridiculous contracts and the turmoil they’ve caused. Of course in the end, it’s the fault of the team who signed them. Oddly enough, it’s one of the teams in ardent favor of the lockout. And the best freakin part is, neither are THAT great. Good, yes. Great? Not even close. I doubt Mario has any issue with the contract Crosby signed; but he and Parise and Suter aren’t even in the same boat.

    -So now, if I’m understanding correctly, $5 mil per team and pensions are the obstacles? This crap wasn’t even on the major issue radar a month ago. But seriously?! $5 mil?! There’s no word in the English dictionary to describe that level of petulant stupidity. I’ll have to look in a French dictionary. Newsflash! Just because the cap is a certain number doesn’t mean you HAVE to spend that much. Donkeys.

    -As for pensions, you chooches are hardly struggling financially compared to ordinary people or even compared to baseball players! Neil Walker is like 45 years old and has yet to earn $1mil per year. Tyler Freakin Kennedy makes 2! Paulina Martin makes 5! FIVE! And guess what… there’s no law that says you can’t open a business or hold down a job after hockey is over. Half you guys will end up coaching somewhere anyway. What a horrible retirement plan. Chooches.

    -I’m tired of checking TSN, NBC and ESPN (shudder) every half hour- yeah I’m that lame- for positive news about this garbage. Sorry, Dejan, but the Trib is often late to the party on lockout news. I want to be checking to see if Paul “the Dove” Martin has been traded/released/bought out/somehow gotten rid of and how Sid and Geno are tearing up the league, and how Bylsma learned to coach a powerplay, and Flower talking about how his grandmother gives him diapers at Christmas. Drop the damn puck already!

    I feel slightly better now.

  32. Milo Hamilton says:

    Indian Lake
    Is a scene you should make
    With your little one.

  33. Jandy says:

    Brad, honey, BREATHE!!!!

    It’s not Parise’s or Suter’s fault that Minnesota signed them to ridiculous contracts. Hell, I’d that that kinda money if someone were throwing it at me.
    This is why I fault the owners much more than the players, tho.
    This is the biggest thing wrong with the NHL, but the owners want out from under the contracts. They create the problem then expect the players to pay the price to solve it.
    They make their ice beds, let them lie in them!

  34. Jandy says:

    Milo, where’d you get that???

  35. Milo Hamilton says:


    I know it’s early, but you can’t slip the Cowsills past me. :)

  36. Jandy says:

    LMAO ;X

  37. Dejan,

    I appreciate your column today. I love college basketball.

    I think Jamie Dixon is a very, very good college coach. Pitt is lucky to have him.
    However, the weakest part of his teams every year is offense. His defense turns a lot of steals and turnovers into layups; but if Pitt has to go down and set up, they throw the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds, then throw up a jump shot just inside the 3-point line and hope to get either a prayer answered or a putback.

    I think Adams’ development, or lack of development, on offense———taking NO shots in 26 minutes of play, despite 9 boards———is a direct result of Pitt’s lack of offensive focus. Tray Woodall is no point guard, and Robinson, while a real find, is still developing. He needs to demand Adams get to a spot and then get the right angle to put the ball in Adams’ hands in a turn around situation.

    Both Adams and Robinson are diamonds in the rough! Zanna is good! I wish Pitt had played a more demanding preseason schedule to force them to develop, rather than playing the Point Park-type schedule that allowed both to get by using their abilities from the neck down instead of being pushed mentally as well.

    Pitt will lose some games in the Big East they could have won had the team faced a preseason schedule, where wins and losses matter less, that pushed them mentally AND physically to get better.

    It’s still really exciting to have the pieces Pitt has. They could be really good if they develop an identity.

  38. Drew71 says:

    Keep it in mind
    If you’re looking to find
    A place in the summer sun

  39. Jandy says:

    keep it in mind if you’re lookin to find a place in the summer sun

  40. Jandy says:


  41. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now that was frightening.

  42. Jandy says:


  43. Jandy says:

    Milo, maybe you should hide!

  44. bdubb says:

    I am glad you wrote an article about Adams. I know Pitt fans aren’t the only fans in the country that bash their own team and can be hard on a freshman not living up to the ‘hype’ in his first 14 games. But after listening to the bloggers last year screaming for Marcus Gilbert to get more minutes (and maybe even start) I started to realize the old adage of ‘Those who can’t blog’.

    I played a lot of basketball and worked many camps. Watching Gilbert last year he was no where near ready. Wasn’t ready this year. I don’t mean to put that young big man down but it is an example of what fans think when they just don’t know basketball (or whatever sport). With that said, I have seen 3 games of Adams’ this year (thanks Jaimie Dixon for the stellar out-of-conference schedule) and the first one against a low level opponent he looked lost. He wasn’t strong enough vs Michigan. Maybe even intimidated. But then I kept reading about him putting up decent #’s vs more low level and I didn’t think much of it. But watching, at least the first half, Monday I can see things are slowing down for him. He will be fine and I predict a 15 & 10 player by year end. Give him time. Everyone is different. He is in a new country far from home. Give him time to settle. Sometimes it takes a year

    Also loved the comment about Dixon and Zanna. I am sure he caught a ball or 2 with his back to the basket but I bet that is it. All of his catches are outside the paint facing the basket. This Pitt team hasn’t passed the ball into the post consistently since Blair was down low.

  45. My goodness! I came to the sports page, and a Cowsills concert broke out!!!

  46. pattonbb says:

    Does anyone know if O’Brien was actually offered a job? Isn’t this all a bunch of speculation?

    At what point will having coached under Belichick work against you when interviewing for a head coach job in the NFL? His assistants have tanked everywhere they’ve gone.

  47. JAL says:


    Theme is songs with the names of well known people in the title, so have had So long Frank Lloyd Wright, Jackie Wilson Said, Buddy Holly, Bette Davis Eyes, and Elvis Presley in America

  48. Dubb,

    Adams true problem is that he is from New Zealand, and he is still adapting to the fact that the ball spins exactly in the opposite direction here versus the Southern hemisphere, like toilets flushing backwards!

  49. Drew71 says:

    Well then. I’m waiting for the Kovacevic song.

  50. Jandy says:

    Drew, care to start that song off?

  51. Got it, JAL. Thanks!

    Is Eleanor Rigby a famous person, or made up?

  52. What rhymes with Kovacevic?

  53. kevin in indy says:

    We’re all getting very excited out here in Indianapolis; only 90 days till the Jerry Sands era begins. Go Tribe, Go!

  54. Dom says:

    I never cared for college sports but I’m glad Bill O’Brien will be back next year.

  55. Jandy says:

    Dom, me too!

  56. Jandy says:

    Groat ~ SANDWICH?

  57. Jandy says:

    Groat: “McCartney said he came up with the name “Eleanor” from actress Eleanor Bron, who had starred with the Beatles in the film Help!. “Rigby” came from the name of a store in Bristol, “Rigby & Evens Ltd, Wine & Spirit Shippers”,

  58. I went to my Subway with Kovacevic,
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.
    We each picked ourselves us a sammich,
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  59. JandyGirl,

    You are just full of knowledge.

    Drrew has told me you are “full of it” for quite some time.

  60. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    I’m trying, Jandy.

    I’m just tired of the roller coaster these morons keep taking us on. I know it’s not Suter and Parise’s fault. I agree it’s more on the owners than the players- they should never allow their GM’s to offer contracts like that without approving them if they’re so hurt by them.

    The same concept is going on in baseball with bidding wars paying ridiculous amounts of money to players who aren’t really worth what they’re offered (cough at Russell Martin, Sandoval, etc.) Funny how the name Martin doesn’t equal awesome player in Pittsburgh…

    Though, through Fear, the players have sunk to almost the same level IMO. I just can’t stand the pity-poor-me approach both sides take. I pity neither in the slightest. I pity the normal people who are suffering economically because of this mess.

  61. Drew71 says:

    I thought someone was gonna go for Hokacevic.

    Yeah. I know. Tiresome.

    But that never stopped me before.

  62. Dom says:


    To my knowledge, O’Brien was never offered a job but did interview with the Browns.

  63. NMR says:

    That Huntington quote cannot be real, can it?

  64. Jandy says:

    Groat, do you converse with the Drewster often?
    I’m not full of it, heck, I struggle to keep up with you guys in here ;)

    Brad, I know, I feel the same way, friend. It’s disheartening.

  65. Jandy says:

    NMR, there you go, poking the bear!

  66. Steve says:

    “O‘Brien told The (Harrisburg) Patriot-News “I‘m not a one-and-done guy.
    “I made a commitment to these players at Penn State, and that‘s what I am going to do. I‘m not gonna cut and run after one year, that‘s for sure,” O‘Brien told the newspaper.”

    If you’re not a one and done guy as you say why do you even interview with two NFL teams? Welcome to college football 2013 Penn State fans. Don’t think this guy will be your head coach for the next 46 years.

  67. LuckyNKentucky says:

    A raisin in the sun, right Drew? SpunkyRaisinNKentucky has a better ring to it, J-Girl.

    No Town Talk bread here, Drew. And no brick cheese. We have to ship it here from Minerva, Ohio. I get it for Christmas every year.

    But Pepperidge Farm is everywhere. And Starbucks.

  68. Patrick says:

    I always thought the Parise/Suter situation went deeper than your normal free agent contracts. First and foremost you just don’t see two top level FA at the same time. Considering both had turned down repeated offers from their parent clubs for a year leading up to FA it makes it more strange.

    Second, even though they had different agents they seemed adamant about going to the same club. When has that EVER happened, in any sport?

    And finally they did this less than two months before the CBA expired. Who would turn down long term deals over and over in order to go to FA that happens right before an expiring labor agreement? That’s a pretty big risk for two guys who will never get a better chance to get their big payday than last year. I swear I am not a conspiracy theorist/ Aluminum foil hat/ Doomsday prepper kind of guy…but that whole situation reeks of NHLPA involvement.

  69. Drew71 says:

    Now if we’re talking about filling out a biki…


  70. Dom says:

    You’re right Steve. O’brien only made himself look bad by interviewing w/ two NFL teams but by the fall this will all be forgotten about in State College.

  71. Steve says:

    Agreed that Adams brings agility and coordination in addition to a body that most 7′ freshmen don’t have. He is far from a bust and I for one expect him to improve his scoring as the season goes on. If anything, he just seems to need to play with more controlled aggression. He’ll get there.

  72. NMR says:


    Haha, no no, I fully believe Dejan got that quote correct. I thoroughly enjoyed what he wrote. I just cannot believe those words were an actual attempt to answer a question. Seriously.

    Picture those Pirate bloggers sitting across the table with their tape recorders nodding in agreement. You’re telling me not a single one of them stopped and said something along the lines of ” Um, what the hell was that?”?

    Rather fitting time for BA to run the piece, as well.

  73. Dom says:

    Supposedly, the Browns were in love w/ O’Brien after they interviewed him.

  74. ken robertson says:

    Bill interviews.. after preaching loyalty… damage is done….O”Brien’s Lyings

  75. Steve says:

    @ Dom. I think what makes him look bad (to everyone but Penn State fans) is that he took the interviews than came back with the comments about not being a “one and done” guy. At least say something like you were flattered to be approached and interviewed out of deference to your NFL connections or something. I have no doubt that regardless of additional money, current contract, etc. when the time is right O’Brien will bolt for the NFL and at that point the Penn Staters will vilify him.

  76. Steve says:

    Last point on BOB – he wouldn’t be the first guy to profess all this loyalty to his school, job and the kids he coaches and still take a job offer a week or so later. COuld easily see that scenario playing out.

  77. Jandy says:

    NMr, OK, gotcha lol. yeah, as for TBMTIB, you just can’t make this stuff up!

  78. NMR says:


    To everyone other than Penn State fans? Where do you come up with that?

    You’re talking to one right now, and I can promise the luster has worn off after reading that exact quote you posted. There isn’t a PSU fan out there who doesn’t understand exactly what that means.

    Doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy, just means that his whole loyalty schtick is hollow. College coaches lie. What a shocker.

  79. JohninOshkosh says:

    Son of a b—– rhymes with Kovacevic.

    Just sayin.

  80. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Shame on you, John. A good Catholic like you! I’m sure glad I didn’t say that. :)

  81. Jandy says:

    Now you’re messing with a…a S O B… good job, Osh Kosh!

  82. JAL says:

    Hmm, don’t remember any discussion of Leuzinger back in mid December when this was in the morning links

    Neal Huntington discusses Russell Martin signing, changes to Pirates’ scouting

    DK: That was Part 1, Joe. It’s in Part 2.

  83. AB says:

    Any thoughts on the Ryan Clarke tweet?

    I can’t for the life of me understand why he would throw his quarterback under the bus trying to defend Ray Lewis. There was no reason to bring Ben into the discussion.

    Also, their situations aren’t apples to apples since, as I recall, Ben was never charged with anything (although I do believe he was guilty of being an arrogant creep and a poorly behaved human being). While Ray was charged with murder and then found guilty of obstruction of justice. Just doesn’t make sense to me.

  84. B-97 says:

    O’Brien did what any person in any industry would do. He recognized that he had leverage and used it to get a raise.

  85. Dom says:

    RE: JAL links #5.

    I’m glad the Buccos are getting a new logo for the 2014 season. After their second straight collapse and a 20th straight losing season, the only thing I could think about was the need for a new logo.

  86. Patrick says:

    Everyone else remember when Coach Cowher got that tatoo of his wife in a Kordell Stewart jersey? Yea…me neither. Only in NY. Only the Jets.

    Who knows….maybe that was the price of the bet he lost to Coughlin when he made his Super Bowl prediction…

  87. Jandy says:

    Dom, new jerseys will generate new sales and more $$ which won’t be spent on the SS or catcher they need.

  88. NMR says:

    @Dom – And a scoreboard. So we’ve got that going for us…

  89. Steverino and Kenny Robertson,

    “If you’re not a one and done guy as you say why do you even interview with two NFL teams?”

    I once took a job in Philadelphia. After I had been there a year, I was approached by a company in Fort Lauderdale to interview for a job that would have increased my pay by 50% and given me a free car. I told them I owed it to Philly to stay, since I’d only been there a year.

    They insisted I interview anyway——I’m sure they thought their offer would sway me. So I interviewed, and enjoyed the experience. They offered the job, but I returned to Philly out of loyalty. [foolishly??]

    O’Brien listened, got the experience of the pro head coach interview, but returned to Penn State. Don’t criticize him for interviewing———congratulate him for returning.

  90. Dom says:


    I don’t understand that new purchase. If there was any team in the league who would want to deflect the attention to the scoreboard, it would be the Pirates.

  91. Jandy says:

    Groat, thanks, I like your view on O’Brien. Good way to put it into words.

  92. Patrick says:


    Nobody ever said Ryan Clark used good judgement when speaking to the media. Guy is a phenomenal football player, and he won the Chief award some years ago for the player who is “most cooperative” with the local media. So he isnt a complete tool…well ….not always.

    I think he just did what he has been guilty of in the past, speaking to quickly and to emotionally. He seems like a “heart on his sleeve” kind of guy. Sometimes he goes to far. I’m not that worried about it. I’m fairly certain he was trying to make the point that past mistakes shouldnt mean much when people change and improve. I THINK he was trying to say that Ray, like Ben, made some mistakes he regrets but he learned and became a better person because of it. I dont think he was trying to throw Ben under a bus.

    But then who knows. Its Ryan. He says crazy s**t sometimes…..

  93. Patrick says:

    BOB did what he had to do. He got paid. Paterno had the leverage that he was, you know, Joe Paterno. He could name his price and PSU would have to pay it. O’Brien didnt have that luxury. He got more cash and a bigger commitment from the university by doing so. No one can or should fault him.

  94. Patrick says:


    OH man. That scoreboard…. worst twitter war I ever got into was over that damn scoreboard. You would have thought i urinated on the Clemente statue.

  95. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Not a PSU fan, but from the outside looking in, it seems O’Brien did the right thing. He interviewed with the Browns, a coaching graveyard, made the right choice and stayed at his college job, which, in and of itself, is a miracle these days of broken contracts and guys like Graham and Petrino. Hats off to Chryst, too, to stay by his committment, although he wasn’t offered the Wisconsin job technically.

    Strong in Louisville did the same thing as O’Brien, but in a different way. He said he stayed because Louisville gave him his first HC job and he wanted to show the players what committment was. We need more like that.

  96. NMR says:


    Very wise, you are. Changed my opinion.

    I didn’t so much as criticize O’Brien for the interview as I criticized him for the “commitment”, but even that might be out of line after reading your comment. Who’s to say that he wasn’t commited all along and simply used the levergae to better his family? Certainly fits with Dejan’s “genius” blog.

    I’ve become just about completely jaded to all that is college football, and I think that had more to do with my innitial reaction than O’Brien himself.

  97. NMR says:

    @Dom – HA! Well done, man, well done. I, personally, will miss seeing Jeff Kartsens face in high def.

    @Patrick – Let me guess…you were told something along the lines of “nothing to see here, move along now…”

  98. Arriba Wilver says:

    JAL—IIRC the Neal interview with the bloggers took place at the end of Piratefest. Or maybe it was just at the end of one of the days. I remember one of them complimenting Neal for sticking around. But I read it at the time. I assumed I got to there through one of your links, but I may have seen it “advertised” once I got there. The interview was posted in 2 parts. And, yes, that quote stuck out to me at the time. Strange Dude.

  99. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    “We felt that the cumulative defensive package [and] the cumulative offensive package was a significant upgrade for us, and was an opportunity for us to take a big step forward, and that was a big need.” -from JAL’s last link.

    .206 to .211 is a “significant” upgrade? Yep. You really can’t make this stuff up.

  100. Dan1283 says:

    “O‘Brien told The (Harrisburg) Patriot-News “I‘m not a one-and-done guy.
    “I made a commitment to these players at Penn State, and that‘s what I am going to do.”

    If by “doing his commitment” he means he’s going to actually stay for the full duration of his contract unless fired, I’ll build the statue myself.

    I hope everyone falls for that hollow statement and he leaves in a week. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving place. Football was over-emphasized at PSU and many people knew things and kept quiet for the benefit of the football team and Joe Paterno. The sanctions were supposed to de-emphasize that. I agree with Mark Madden on this one: the lawsuit filed by Corbett and the huge raise they just gave O’Brien (under the financial stress of a $60 million fine) is trying to go back to all of that.

    Should’ve killed the program for a year. Not letting them play was the one and only thing PSU really would have cared about. The rest is obviously inconveniences no more pesky than a stinkbug that snuck into the house.

  101. Patrick(RI) says:

    @ Jandy & Milo

    You might not want to make the scene at Indian Lake — it is perilously close to the “mystique of Providence,” but safely distant from Piscataway.

  102. Patrick says:


    Well if that was said I should have listened. It blew up and I wound up arguing with half the Pittsburgh Pirates bloggers, some staff from the PG and half of their followers. within an hour it was off the rails and we were arguing about Aramis Ramirez, french fries and R Martin.

    Like I’ve said before, the few Pirate fans that are left are a passionate bunch.

  103. Indians signed Brett Meyers 1 year, $7 million as a starter.

    I think I would have preferred Meyers to Liriano. He’s an innings eater, with only a 1-year commitment at just about same money.

  104. Dejan, if both NHL and NHLPA fail to come to an agreement by the January 11 deadline, I’ll say that the key players from both sides should be removed immediately. If pucks fail to drop on the 2012-2013 season, it will be because of egos and greed… not anything remotely concerning the good of the game. In sharp contrast to the 2004-2005 season, which was lost, in essence, over a salary cap, the 2012-2013 season may be lost because of a 7% change in revenue share. I can’t see how that’s acceptable to anyone.

    Regardless of what “games” the players think the owners are playing at this stage, the proposal the NHL put forth is more than fair. The owners and the league were willing to come back to the table yet again with an offer, even offering concessions on points previously identified as non-negotiable. That the NHLPA continues to counter begs the question, “What do the players really want?” At this stage, the only answer I can come up with is, “More.”

    I’m relentlessly disgusted.

  105. Arriba Wilver says:

    JAL–sorry, missed the sarcasm. :-)

  106. JohninOshkosh says:

    New pictorial representation of ”creepy”:

    Rex Ryan

  107. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    What did Ryan Clark tweeter about Ben?

    If anyone has thrown Ben under the bus in his career, it’s Ben himself.

  108. tdb1977 says:

    Maybe the Pirates will use the money from the new uniforms and put a bigger Pirates Charaties sign on the new scoreboard they are going to put up? Better spent there then the product on the field, which people are paying to see, right? Of they will just expand the Pirates Charaties sign across the entire right field wall and block out the entire view of the city.

  109. Patrick says:


    Don’t you think Liriano has the potential to be better than a 7mil pitcher? Meyers will be Meyers, and thats good enough for the Pirates at 7 mil. But maybe the potential for Liriano to return to 2009-10 version would be worth the risk?


  110. Arriba Wilver says:

    Patrick—one of the things that concerns me about Liriano is DK said he’s never recovered his pre-surgery slider, and it sounded like he probably won’t.

  111. December 1983 Dan,

    If you consider a $60 million fine, scholarships decreased from 25 to 15 for 4 straight years, no bowls for 4 years, and free poaching by other upstanding college programs and coaches for 18 months to be nothing but stinkbugs . . . . . . I’m glad I do not live in your community. You must have stinkbugs carrying houses away!

  112. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Oliver Perez had an awesome slider…

  113. Bizrow says:

    I still think they should put that Hoka Hey poster on the Charaties sign. It would be priceless.

    Regarding starting pitching, I sure wish the PBC would sign another starter

  114. Sarcastic Sword says:

    So Bill O’Brien interviews with the Browns – PSU gives him a raise – he stays.

    So after all of this happened and he says, ” Im all in”

    Really? You werent ” all in” prior to meeting the with billionaire owner of the Browns..

    You can have him DK..just another snake oil salesman to me.. The time to say ” all in” was when the Browns called – you turn down the interview..thats being ” all in”

  115. Dan1283 says:


    I think it made martyrs out of their supporters. I never hear their fans bemoan the penalties anymore. They’re seriously content with just playing every Saturday. The fact that they had a good season only galvanized them and has them talking about how between O’Brien and Hackenburg they’ll be more than fine going forward. I really don’t think the sanctions even fazed them. Killing football is all that would have.

  116. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Is it just me, or has bowl season and NFL playoffs turned into coach carousel season? I think all this stuff should have to wait until, God forbid, the offseason.

  117. Thundercrack says:

    I am not a fan of Meyers, and certainly not at $7 million.

    That number surprised me.

  118. NMR says:

    @Dan – Boy, for hating PSU so much, you sure do spend an awful lot of time caring about them.

    Where have you been lately?

  119. Mike A. says:

    I think the Pirates went with Liriano because he is a lefty. Myers may be more durable, but their aim was to add another veteran port-sider to the rotation. After seeing Jeff Locke, I’m personally glad they went in that direction.

  120. Jandy says:

    Seems Terry Pegula donated $1.3M to Penn State to help keep O’Brien in State College, according to the other paper.

  121. NMR says:

    @Jandy – Same guy who chipped in a cool $100 mil to start the hockey program. How ’bout that for a write off!

  122. Jandy says:

    NMR, sounds like he holds State College dear to his heart.

  123. Dan1283 says:


    What do you want? They’re local so I hear about it from their sick followers all the time. Every one of them, by the way, is either a graduate or was raised from birth to be some life-long PSU football fan. I’m a Pitt fan, but I didn’t grow up hating or loving PSU. I didn’t care. Remember, for anyone under the age of 30, there WAS no Pitt-PSU rivalry. Pitt stunk in the 90’s and by the time they got good again the rival were WVU, VT, Miami and the like. Penn State mattered about as much as Ohio State. So I don’t have a dog in this fight other than right vs. wrong.

  124. Milo Hamilton says:


    See that. They’re adjusting to life after Paterno quite well.

  125. Reading says:

    One Pride. One Team. One Family. One point 25 million more per year.

  126. Jandy says:

    You know, I don’t get the O’Brien hate or the hate directed toward the Penn State fans. They didn’t viiolate children.

  127. 21sthebest says:

    Winner of the Venezuelan Winter League batting title? Gorkys Hernandez at .367 with a .436 OBP. Jose Castillo was second.

  128. NMR says:

    @Dan – Haha, whatever helps you sleep at night, man.

  129. NMR says:

    @Jandy – Self righteous people will always find something to talk about. Especially on anonymous internet forums.

  130. JohninOshkosh says:

    I watched Penn State play Wisconsin last night in basketball. Thought they looked pretty decent until falling apart in the last few minutes.

    As an outsider, I thought Paterno was an ego maniac who probably didn’t want to share the limelight with the basketball program. i could be wrong about this. But, I wonder if the basketball program will improve with O’Brien as the football coach. Maybe it will start to develop into a consistent quality program without the imposing shadow of the football program overpowering it. J

    Penn State has only won once in basketball in Madison and has never beaten the Badgers at the Kohl Center. I would like to see them improve for the benefit of the league.

  131. Jandy says:

    NMR, seriously, you’d think O’brien himself violated the children.
    And to fault a man for trying to make more money? I don’t know too many people that wouldn’t.
    But what do I know? ;)

  132. Milo Hamilton says:

    Chiefs fire Scott Pioli. The Andy Reid announcement should come any minute.

  133. charles8842 says:

    Nobody had any comments about Haley interviewing with the Cardinals?
    I’d love to see him go fail somewhere else with his unimaginative playbook.

  134. Milo Hamilton says:


    You just don’t understand because you don’t carry around a cardboard cutout of Joe Paterno. Now a cardboard cutout of Kris Letang ? That’s another story.

  135. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR@129—that sounds a little self righteous. :-)

  136. Jandy says:

    Milo, but, but, but…Letang doesn’t violate children either!!!

    Seriously tho, I’m NOT a big Penn State fan. I couldn’t care less about the institution. But I am sick to death of innocent people being made to pay for others’ sins.
    This isn’t biblical times.

  137. Jandy says:

    AW, then color me self-righteous as well :P

  138. Jim Leyland’s Son,

    Liriano certainly has more potential than Meyers. But, is that the risk the Pirates need?

    Liriano—only 1 season out of 7 year career has he pitched more than 157 innings
    ————only 1 season out of last 4 with an ERA under 5.00
    ————only 1 season out of last 4 with a WHIP below 1.45
    ————only 1 season out of last 4 did he have a winning record
    ————only 1 season out of last 4 did he average less than 4.5 walks per 9 innings: that’s a BB every other inning. WALKS KILL!!!

    Liriano sounds like a bullpen killer to me. With already a bullpen not as strong as last year, I think an innings eater like Meyers was needed more than “potential.” Bucs bullpen could be toast before Chuck Morton and Gerrit Cole ever get to Pittsburgh.

    Potential = Derek Bell, Andy LaRoche, Bobby Crosby, John van Bentchoten, Brandon Moss, Travis Snider, Jose Tabata, Oliver Perez. Building a team based on potential leads to a lot of losing records . . . . . . 20 in a row, to be exact.


  140. Dan1283 says:

    Jandy 131,

    I don’t think anyone’s faulting O’Brien. Like DK said above, the man is a genius. He played PSU like a fiddle for a huge raise for him and his staff. He’s no more real or honest or phony than any other college coach out there. He made a smart business move.

    Personally I congratulate the man.

    Surprised to see no one had anything to say about my last paragraph of post #7. I think everyone prefers to believe that O’Brien IS Bear Bryant.

  141. JRay3 says:


    Enjoyed the column on Adams today, and think some of your analysis is spot on. In the games I have watched it appears at times as Adams just does not want to get in the way, or be to unselfish and is trying to fit in and almost not demand any spotlight. Part of it may also be him getting more comfortable in his role.

    We have not truly seen him run the floor the way we hear he is capable of or use his frame and size down in the low post often enough which should be two keys to this offense when you have a piece like that.

    I am a huge fan of Jamie Dixon but at times a little tempo to the offense, a little more transition would not be a bad thing, too often I see a team that gets stuck in staying in these methodical half court sets which can lead to lengthy dry spells from the field.

    But let’s also remember it is a big jump from high school hoops to the college game and Dixon does have a knack of getting improvement from players in his system, look no further than Zanna, McGehee, Greer, Knight, Krauser, Gray, Young and Gibbs. All but Zanna have taken conference honors for most improved player under Dixon with the exception of Zanna who maybe this year’s front runner.

    I like you, feel Panther fans will witness many great things from Adams ahead.

    DK: Appreciate that, JR.

  142. Thundercrack says:

    John #130
    What limelight was there from the PSU basketball team? I think Paterno supported the hoops team when he could.
    Paterno attended basketball games and we know this because the tv cameras always showed him.

  143. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Post #127. Ivan DeJesus, Jr. edition won the batting title in his league, too, so I guess that and several dollars will get you a cup of Starbucks.

    He’ll probably do well in Indy along with Sands.

  144. Jandy says:

    Dan, if you think no one here is faulting O’Brien, you haven’t read the comments.
    Plenty here are bashing him.
    But hey, it’s their prerogagive, right?

  145. 21sthebest says:

    When Bob Knight calls a player slow, it’s hard for me to dismiss that. Obviously Adams can still improve, but I’m concerned he’s still going to get eaten alive in the ACC.

  146. Jandy says:

    Dan, as for the last paragraph way up there, I’m no expert on college football, but I heard plenty of complaints about Matt McGloin’s play under Paterno. O’Brien and his coaches did something that turned that guy around.

  147. LuckyNKentucky says:

    How do you get that red mouth on there, Jandy? Or is it a Mother Teresa thing?

    And you are right. There are no generational curses. Jesus did away with that once and for all. Sins are all paid for. No sense doing it again.

    End of preaching for today.

  148. Bradthedad says:

    Nice call Groat. Good news (O’Brien no to Browns and Chryst no to Badgers) should make people happy. But no. Don’t know if the cynicism is a reflection of the state of sports or a reflection of us.

  149. 21sthebest says:

    Yeah Lucky, I saw that the other day. And I’m sitting in a Starbucks!

  150. Jandy says:

    Spunky, the red comes with the : (colon) and a capital P

  151. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Drink one for me and DK.


    Thanks. Another one to annoy Drew with. :P

  152. Jandy says:

    Welcome, Spunky lol

  153. 21sthebest says:

    “Drink one for me and DK.”

    How wired do you want me to get?

  154. LuckyNKentucky says:


    Just your normal amount.

  155. Jandy says:

    Normal? You use that term HERE???

  156. 21sthebest says:

    “Normal? You use that term HERE???”

    Reading this board is like being married. Just when you start feeling pretty good about yourself, you get knocked right back down.

  157. Jandy says:

    HAha 21. Anyone tries to tell me I’m normal, I vehemently deny it!

  158. Dan1283 says:

    NMR 128,

    I assure you that, unlike many here, I have never lost a second of sleep over Penn State Football.

    It’s those who have that all this is really about, anyways.

  159. CWalton_67 says:

    All too recently, the Pennsylvania State University saw the results of the cult of personality they had established to worship the god of football, with Joe Paterno as the prophet. It created an environment which allowed evil to not only exist, but to flourish, as good men turned a blind eye toward the evil that was Jerry Sandusky. Now, mere months after perhaps the most sordid story to ever taint an alleged institution of higher learning, the leadership at said university react to the possible departure of the new prophet by immediately throwing ever larger piles of money at him and his disciples to ensure that the great god keeps producing even more money.

    The leadership at PSU have failed to learn.

    Dramatic? Hyperbole? Over the top? Perhaps. But I find it beyond comprehension that while these men make millions, only to seek more, for coaching a GAME, there are other Americans who place their lives in danger daily, for an income that makes them eligible for food stamps. They have values such as loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, and integrity. The residents of the state of Pennsylvania would do well to demand the same values from those who are providing the under and post graduate educations for their youth at the state university for higher learning.

    I’ll apologize for often letting my military service color my opinions–I realize that this place is about sports and I do not mean to turn it into anything other that what it is. That said, I think we as a society should demand more from our educators than to set the example that money takes precedence above all other things. And money has driven every decision made by the leadership at PSU since the Sandusky scandal first came to light. Now, even the Governor is bringing litigation against the NCAA to attempt to ensure that the money machine keeps churning.

    So Bill O’Brien and his ilk can cash ever larger paychecks.

    All while the victims of the horror that was Jerry Sandusky continue to heal themselves.

    End rant. Again, apologies.

  160. Patrick(RI) says:

    Ilk sighting!

    Speaking thereof, did you see the way the Wisconsin AD got an extra $118,000.00 for coaching a loss in the Rose Bowl?

  161. Jandy says:

    CWalton, I respect the military. Sometimes I wonder why these men and women do what they do.
    But, like you said, you can’t relate everything to the military. While you do have a good rant going on, I still don’t understand why “O’Brien and his ilk (that blasted word again)” is being castigated? There are plenty of bigger, nastier monsters out there.
    AGAIN, I don’t know why I am bashing my head against the wall.

  162. CWalton_67 says:

    Jandy–O’Brien is merely a symptom of the larger problem. I don’t think that seeking to be paid well for what you do is wrong. We call it capitalism. But at some point, maybe we need to re-evaluate the things that we value. Especially at an institution that is supposed to be focused on educating our future generations.

  163. Jandy says:

    That I can heartily agree with CW.

  164. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I think of the military and their drastic underpay every time I hear a ball player sign for millions to play a sport, and sometimes badly, for a couple years.

    We’ve got things upside down for sure and that includes police, firefighters, etc. Thought of you this morning in fact and wondered how you might respond to the million dollar talk.

  165. Arriba Wilver says:

    “Ilk” in this case seems to be just about every college coach of any major sport in the nation. I’d me more concerned if he demanded more say over University matters than using his leverage to get more $$. Heck, Jamie Dixon got more $$ because of speculation he was targeted by other programs. I’m with Groat on this. And DK used the term ” reverence” early in O’Briens tenure. To me, THAT’S what you need to guard against, not how many $$ he is making. He’s a football coach, nothing more, nothing less.

  166. Patrick(RI) says:

    No doubt $ has corrupted big time college sports. Coaches are prima donnas and, in some cases, nearly cult leaders. Any thought that they are part of an educational institution is almost silly. I always thought Wooden had an edge, since he just had to win in the old Pac 10, but his style is greatly missed (sitting calmly on the bench during the game watching his players execute, compared to the sideline antics of today’s millionaire coaches — a point guard must be a consummate multi-tasker to execute while watching the frantic gesticulations of his coach, up and down the sidelines). The football coaches seem to have so many assistants these days that they can stand on the sidelines and try to look engaged.

    And your point about them being “coaches and nothing more” is telling. Not so long ago, the best BB coach I ever met taught me Bowling and while he was not so terrific in the “classroom,” he really did seem to care about us. He was expected to be part of the larger academic setting — part of the job. Wonder what he would be like today? RIP Jack Hartman.

  167. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jamie Dixon plays that game after every somewhat successful season he has. It’s called having a good agent.

  168. Patrick says:

    “@NHLexpertpicks Pittsburgh’s Letang signs with KHL club, He’ll play with SKA Saint Petersburg for the remainder of the lockout.”

    That cant be good at this point.

  169. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    -Good morning to all.

    -I’m glad to see Bill O’Brien staying at PSU. Yea, he cashed in, every college football coach does whenever their names get thrown around for other jobs, but I believe his leadership is needed at the university.

  170. CWalton_67 says:

    Thanks, Lucky.

    And I think Arriba and Patrick (RI) make some very good points as well, especially about Wooden, who taught athletes values, albeit in a much simpler time for sports.

    And the military is certainly not perfect–witness GEN Petraeus, with whom I served and admired greatly. Imperfection is the human condition. But aren’t we supposed to be striving to be better humans?

    This whole scenario practically screams that those in positions of trust and leadership at PSU learned absolutely nothing from the recent past. Nothing.

    I don’t mind that athletes and coaches are paid well. They create revenue for whatever institution for whom they play. Revenue does, in fact, drive all for-profit institutions.

    But where does it end? At what point have we sacrificed our values completely for more dollars? I think Penn State crossed that rubicon long ago.

  171. NMR says:


    What does PSU prove by NOT paying their football coach commensurately? Honest question.

    What does paying Bill O’Brien have to do with recreating an atmosphere that harbored a child predator, as you seem to be insinuating?

    Look what that atmosphere got the school. I think I can say with fairly high confidence that just about anyone with a brain can figure out that it didn’t end well.

    I’m honestly trying to see how one can connect paying a football coach and not learning lessons from one of the worst episodes in sporting history. The two are so far apart in my mind that it’s impossible for me to do it.

  172. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yeah, I’m having trouble with the connection, too. Would not paying him mean they learned lessons?

  173. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Wonder what a Navy SEAL makes in comparison to a backup running back or utility infielder. Just thinking out loud.

  174. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    -The NCAA has long been corrupt. The coaches are supposed to exemplify leadership. However, they always demonstrate that money is the root of their efforts. Coaches jump from team to team chasing the buck every chance they get. Look at Todd Graham as an example. Now Chip Kelly is talking about leaving a outstanding program at Oregon for the NFL spotlight.

    -Why do you think more and more student/athletes jump to the draft before they graduate? Make the money while they can. Hard to blame them when their leadership examples do the same thing every chance they get.

  175. Patrick says:


    That depends does the SEAL play for a MLB or NFL team? I don’t know to many teams that have SEALS, Green Berets or even base grunts on their payroll.

  176. bpn8pitt says:

    Kind of agree with a lot of what JRay3 said about Pitt, Adams. He needs to fill out more and be more selfish. But Im starting to think a lot of the expectations for this team at least this year, were a little high. I want to see how this team plays against more of the Big East teams before I draw any more conclusions. Adams is a nice player and I think will get a lot better, but he also wasnt nearly as polished as he was rumored to be before he came to Pitt.

  177. CWalton_67 says:

    NMR–I am not insinuating that PSU is recreating an atmosphere that harbored a child predator. I am saying outright that they never fixed the previous one.

    And I agree completely that anyone with a brain can figure out that the previous atmosphere did not end well. So what does that say about the leaders at the university who, when faced with the loss of the next person who coaches the very GAME that created those conditions in the first place, immediately reinforced the same philosophy which created that atmosphere in the first place? That being the GAME of football and the revenue it creates are more important than anything else they do at PSU.

    The only thing they should have said to Bill O’Brien regarding his possible departure to the Cleveland Browns is: Goodbye. Football is ancillary to learning here. Enjoy life in Cleveland.

  178. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    -All depends on his rank. But in comparison, HA! maybe a month’s salary?

  179. We all agree that ball players and coaches make too much.

    Certainly, school teachers, military, firefighters, police, care givers, farmers get the short end of the stick, compensation wise.

    Whining about it won’t change one thing. Unless things have changed overnight, this is not a fair world. If it was, the ones who worked the hardest would make the most money.

    Complaining about “the haves” just makes you sour. Appreciate what you have and work to make it sufficient——forget about whining about those “luckier” than you.

  180. NMR says:


    You’re still making an enormous leap in logic without explaining it.

    “That being the GAME of football and the revenue it creates are more important than anything else they do at PSU.”

    Again, why does paying a football coach commensurately mean football is more important than anything else they do?

    I believe the Freeh Report recommended over a hundred changes to be made at PSU. Why didn’t any of them include maximum coaches salary?

    I’ll ask you again, what does PSU prove by not paying Bill O’Brien?

  181. 21sthebest says:

    Just a bit of trivia. The highest paid federal government employee is the Army’s football coach.

  182. LuckyNKentucky says:

    Good points, Groaty, but that doesn’t make it right and it’s getting worse.

  183. Arriba Wilver says:

    Whew, it’s getting hot in here. Anyone want to talk Hoka Hey . . . or Pepperidge Farm?

  184. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    -I choose C. Neither

  185. 21sthebest says:

    “We all agree that ball players and coaches make too much.”

    No we don’t. They make what they do because that’s what their market value is. A market that we’ve created because we watch the games, go to the games, buy the products advertised during the games, etc. I’m a 100% believer in free enterprise.

    Do I wish things were different? Sure. But I don’t know how that would work. What would our taxes have to be to see teachers and police officers making what we think they should make? And I would be willing to pay whatever that would be. But what else would that mean? Would products and services then suffer? Would cars go back to lasting less than 100,000 miles? Would technology suffer? Medicine?

    There’s no right answer here obviously. But I don’t think the system is unfair. The system is what we’ve made it to be.

  186. CWalton_67 says:


    It’s an easy leap. Not paying O’Brien more money would have sent a clear message to all that football will no longer be the first priority of the university.

    @Groat “Whining about it won’t change one thing. Unless things have changed overnight, this is not a fair world. If it was, the ones who worked the hardest would make the most money.

    Complaining about “the haves” just makes you sour. Appreciate what you have and work to make it sufficient——forget about whining about those “luckier” than you.”

    That may be the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on this blog. I spilled my blood for my job; that being defending the freedom of those in this country to work hard, be successful, and be properly renumerated for it.. Whining? Really?

  187. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    -I could’ve played college football also, if I was bigger, faster, and stronger.

  188. Jandy says:

    We all live in a yellow submarine

    Yes, AW it IS hot in here!

  189. Milo Hamilton says:

    Any news on the lockout ?

    Sorry, I didn’t see Biz around.

  190. Patrick(RI) says:


    OK, but that means no more comments(whines) about Nutting running the Pirates more for profit than wins. Come to think about it, no more complaints about 20 losing seasons. Just respect the “haves” such as the Dodgers & Yankees.

  191. 21sthebest says:

    “Yes, AW it IS hot in here”

    Jandy, are you familiar with that Nelly rap song from years ago?

  192. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    #92 gets my nomination for post of the day!!

  193. Jandy says:

    My dad always told me to live within my means. He raised 8 children on an eighth grade education and laborer type jobs. When he was laid off, my mother went to work at a clothes factory. I appreciated every sacrifice she and dad made so we could have a few little “extras”.
    My children have it much better. They appreciate what they have, but they don’t truly understand what it is to have not.
    So, from generation to generation, the world changes.
    We all make choices.
    Am envious of those who make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars?
    Sometimes. But at the end of the day, I thank God for the blessings She has given me, and keep on keepin’ on. Maybe that is what Groat meant. Either way, I’m not going to whine about some coach making a lotta money. It’s not my lifestyle. I’ll work to improve my lot, while appreciating what I do have.
    Spunky, you got room for another preacher out there?

  194. Jandy says:

    21, ewwwwwwww rap…..give me Shinedown or Godsmack any day of the week.

  195. NMR says:


    Top priority? For the school that is ranked as one of the Top 50 Universities in the world? We’re still talking about PSU, right?

    The reason Sandusky was allowed to stay hidden for so long wasn’t out of reverence to the football team – that is what STARTED the coverup – it was the consolidation of power to just a few men. Remove that, as they have, and there is no reason to believe that wanting to field a good football team and keeping priorities straight have to be mutually exclusive.

    You’re more than welcome to your opinion, but if you’d pay attention to the changes in power structure at the University you’d see that it will be impossible for the tail to wag the dog. As it should.

  196. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    Make that #192

  197. 21sthebest says:

    Amen Jandy.

  198. Bizrow says:

    I’m here, just lurking and staying out of the heat.

    I haven’t seen anything new on the NHL crapola

    But it doesn’t seem to be going very well. Three sticking points, the 60 million cap, the length of contracts and the pension

  199. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR– #197 is a very succinct, accurate analysis IMHO. The only thing I would add is that those men were severely flawed, but definitely from an institutional standpoint, you gave a great analysis of what the problem was and how it has been addressed.

  200. Fehristheproblem says:

    The deadline for an NHL deal is next Friday. The NHL and the NHLPA will announce a deal is made and the season is back … next Friday. Calm down.

  201. Dave G says:

    One of the things that peeves me about the Parise/Suter deals and then the subsequent lockout is the possibility that Minnesota loaded the deck by signing them to hefty contracts fully knowing that the league was about to issue the lockout and then attempt to try to void such contracts.

    Minnesota’s offers convinced Parise and Suter to sign for them instead of another team. If NHL owners already had their sights set on voiding such contracts in the upcoming CBA negotiations, could that be considered blatant tampering to acquire these players and, therefore, an extreme discredit to NHL operations for allowing it to happen in the first place?

  202. JohninOshkosh says:

    Was listening to a radio show talking about the lockout and the 65 to 60 million dollar split. According to the reporter, the union figures that 5 million dollar difference translates to 2 less jobs per team per season. That is 60 jobs per year. Over a 5 year period that is 300 jobs.

    The union sees the cap as a significant job killer so you can bet the Fehr brothers will fight for setting it higher. Conversely, the owners are not crazy about paying out that much more over the term of the CBA.

    The more I think about it. The more concerned I get about getting to a meeting of the minds.

  203. LuckyNKentucky says:


    I don’t think anyone is whining, least of all ones who made choices. I just think ballplayers should be paid like they’re “playing” and military, law enforcement, etc. people should be paid what they’re worth. It’s getting extreme both ways.

    Believe me, I know what you’re saying about your dad. Mine died when I was 9 and my mom had an 8th grade education. I had 3 shirts all through HS, but she was the best mother in the world.

    I just hate to see people laying their lives on the line and making less than a punter or long snapper make on 1 Sunday, let alone a star QB or power hitter. Something not right about that.

  204. Chris says:

    I know it would never happen but it’s nice to dream about a lineup with Stanton in it:


  205. Arriba Wilver says:

    John — this all gets very confusing, but 2 points from my confused state:

    1. How does the CAP equate to ## of jobs? Aren’t the rosters based on number of bodies on the team?

    2. I thought the CAP figure they are talking about is for one year. Wouldn’t the future CAP figure be based on 50% of revenues regardless of what that one year is?

    Like I said, it gets confusing.

  206. Chris says:

    Didn’t mean to hit submit…sorry


    You still don’t have a true lead off hitter and Barmes isn’t great, but that is a whole lot of power

  207. Bizrow says:

    So John, re 203, actually its a 10 million drop? From the current 70 to 60 (don’t know how the two buyouts fit in there), but anyways that 4 spots per season.

    Supposedly the owners are arguing the five million would hurt “competitive balance”

    Sure, thats the ticket

  208. Jandy says:

    Spunky, I hear ya, friend.
    O’Brien didn’t make the world what it is today. That goes back generations and generations.
    I think our servicemen should be much better compensated for what they do. Especially the ones in the line of fire.
    But to pick on Groat for something he has no control over isn’t exactly fair either.

  209. NMR says:

    Thanks, AW.

    -Ok, now for something that is sure to lighten the mood…

    If the link doesn’t fly, go to Fangraphs site and read the article on “Pitcher Theft in 2012″. Our beloved Buccos make the list in truly stunning fashion.

  210. Patrick says:

    Disparity of salaries between professions isn’t a failure of society, its a function of economics. DK probably makes a lot more than any teacher, officer or whomever. Its not a matter of misplaced priorities, its just that what they do and are capable of doing is rare and therefore valuable.

    From a practical standpoint aluminum is by orders of magnitude more useful than gold. But gold is more rare and therefore more valuable. Its just supply and demand. It doesn’t make anyone involved with sports some how ethically or morally flawed because they pay or get paid more than a person who contributes to society more efficiently. The other great American pastime: self-loathing guilt.

    The argument to the contrary was essential to Friedrich Engle’s contribution to the manifesto actually.

    Shinedown and Godsmack are good. Pantera and Stone Sour are better.

  211. Jandy says:

    I can’t say I’ve ever heard Stone Sour. Have to look them up. Pantera…meh…

  212. Arriba Wilver says:

    A lot of the discussion today reminds me of a story one of my bosses used to tell:

    “American humorist Will Rogers was reputedly once asked how the Allies should deal with the German U-boat threat during World War I. He suggested that the solution was simple. ‘You just boil the oceans. The U-boats will turn pink and pop to the surface. Then, you just pick them off.’ When asked how he would boil the oceans, he responded, ‘I never worry about details.'”

  213. Patrick says:

    I bet you would like Anberlin, too.

  214. Dom says:

    Andy Reid officially signs with KC.

    IMO, Philly made a mistake by letting him go.

    I won’t deny he had a rough two or three years but he had six division titles, three NFC championship appearances, and a super bowl appearance. That sounds like a successful tenure to me. Who knows, if spygate never existed, they could have very well been world champs.

    Teams are far too willing to replace their head coach.

  215. Jandy says:

    I DO like that Patrick :)

  216. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    -What have you done for me lately. I bet Reid is glad to move on, change of scenary thing.

  217. Milo Hamilton says:


    Thanks for that. Very entertaining. Sure that wasn’t Lou Brock & not Jake Westbrook ?

  218. Dom says:

    I’d be happy to move on. Why stick around for a team that doesn’t want you there?

    I remember Cowher was thought to have been let go after either going 7-9 or 6-10 in the late 90s. The Rooney’s responded by giving him a contract extension and he in return gave them a super bowl ring.

  219. Arriba Wilver says:

    I always wondered how Reid lasted so long. Probably a good move for both parties.

  220. NMR says:

    @Milo – Ha, I think Andy Reid could’ve stolen that base.

    MLB should delete the write-up on defensive indifference and post that video instead.

  221. Milo Hamilton says:


    Remember when DK dubbed it “organizational indifference” ?

  222. Patrick says:

    In Andy Reid’s 14 seasons he won 130 games, placing him 23rd all time and his .585 win percentage is better than Bill Parcells. Even better than Chuck Noll. His 10-9 record in the playoffs ranks 12th all time. I understand why Philadelphia felt they had to get rid of him, but every coach has a few down years. The kind of success he had in the first 7 years of his career is simply unsustainable in a salary cap league. He won 4 division titles in a row from 2002-06 and 6 division titles overall. In 14 years he only had a losing season 3 times. It’s really unrealistic to expect much more from a coach. But he hitched his wagon and his career to Michael Vick, and that will get any coach fired.

    But anyone want to debate the statement that if Reid had Peyton Manning he would have won more than just one super bowl?

  223. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    -I think its funny how people want Tomlin fired after finishing at .500.

  224. Arriba Wilver says:

    Patrick–don’t want to debate the statement, but I would ask how many coaches would fit into that same category?

  225. NMR says:

    @Milo – Eh, he get’s one right every once in a while… :)

  226. Patrick says:

    “.. Jake Westbrook stole his base standing up. Man, Pirates. How very Pirates.”

    It hurts worse because its true.

  227. Dom says:

    Wow. It is mindboggling that someone would want to fire Tomlin. He won one super bowl and got us to another. I know the pieces were in place when he came in but some great coaches never win a super bowl and Tomlin has already done so this early in his career.

  228. 21sthebest says:

    “-I think its funny how people want Tomlin fired after finishing at .500.”

    This is a what have you done for me lately town. Most sports towns probably are. I always thought that if you let the fans make roster moves in baseball, you’d set records for most moves in a season every year.

  229. Dom says:

    What category are you referring to, Arriba Wilver?

  230. Arriba Wilver says:

    Winning Super Bowls with Peyton Manning as their quarterback. See #223.

  231. Patrick says:


    Lots. Lots of coaches would have had more than 1 ring with Manning as their QB. Which is either in indictment on the coaches in Indy, or an indicator that coaching doesn’t have as much impact on a teams win column as talent. Probably both.

    Either way, firing succesful coaches is almost never a solution, because its usually not the problem. Usually the problem is a lack of Manning’s, so to speak.

  232. Bizrow says:

    I nominate post 213 as the post du jour.

  233. Bizrow says:

    And you don’t fire coaches, they just get recycled ;-)

  234. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    -Exactly. Can’t wait for the first week of baseball season to see who needs to be traded and fired.

  235. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t listen to me, though. I think Noll and Cowher would have won more Super Bowls with Marino as their quarterback. I just always thought Reid was overrated.

  236. Nate83 says:


    Anberlin is an excellent band. I highly recommend them as well.

  237. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    -I think Reid is a great offensive minded coach and I think he got away from that a little bit or tried to do too much with less.

    -He built a team around his offensive (west coast offense) schemes. The players weren’t All-Pros or Pro Bowlers all the time, but guys that got the job done.

    -Similiar to the hated guy in New England.

  238. Patrick says:

    I think “good firings” are the ones that happened in SD and Chicago. They gave Lovie and Norv plenty of time and talent to get it done, and neither did. Lovie came close but missed 5 out of the last 6 years. Norv never even got there with a really talented team.

    The Rivera firing (if it ever happens) is exactly the kind of dumb crap bad teams do that keeps them as bad teams. I dont care who they hired, two years is not enough time to turn a 2-14 team into a playoff team. Especially not when you share a division with Atlanta and New Orleans.

    Romeo should never have been hired. Who the heck looks at the 2007-2010 Cleveland Browns and thinks “OH YEA..i gotta have THAT GUY”.

    Wisnehunt and Gailey are victims of poorly run organizations. No matter who the coach has been, for the most part, those two teams have sucked out loud for 20 years . Again, I don’t think anyone could have solved those problems.

  239. Dom says:

    Exactly, Patrick.
    Ken Whisenhunt’s record with Kurt Warner as the QB if impressive. After Warner’s retirement, the Cards struggled. It’s amazing what an MVP QB will do for a team.

  240. diehard says:

    Not sure if anyone has been even occasionally following the NHL on ESPN, but…
    The lockout progress/non-progress is not even always registering a sidebar headline on the front page, so they’re pretty much ignoring it online. I don’t watch the channel usually, so I don’t know if they’re even acknowledging it there either.
    They’ve been playing a simulated season via EA Sports. After 39 games we sit at 15-16-4 (first problem – Our record indicate 35 games in W/L/OT but we’ve apparently had 4 games that didn’t count). And there is not a Penguin in the statistical top 10 in a single category, offensive, defensive, or goaltending. So – it’s a good thing the season hasn’t happened, because apparently the Penguins aren’t very good, and we’d be griping about that. Thank you ESPN, for allowing me to not live through that. Phew.

  241. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:


    -Same could be said about Bill Belichick in Cleveland.

  242. Patrick says:

    @AW oh no doubt. How Marino never won a super bowl is criminal. Marino on the 90’s Steelers?

    Dear Lord….

  243. Ryan (Nor-Cal Stlrfanrc) says:

    -If Marino was on the Steelers its hard to say what would’ve happened. Would’ve completely changed the Steelers offense, IMO, to take advantage of an actual QB. His ego might’ve lead the Steelers to the same situation the Dolphins were in, but I doubt it.

  244. Patrick says:

    If Marino is on the Steelers in the 90’s i think they have 7 or 8 trophies by now. We would have beat Dallas in XXX for sure.

  245. Dom says:

    I agree that Norv never got the job done and can understand that firing.

    Lovie IMO should have kept his job. Cutler isn’t an elite QB. Guys like Cutler, Romo, and other mediocre QBs are only going to get you so far. The only super bowl winning QB of that caliber is Trent Dilfer.

    I think Romeo was just suppose to be the stop gap at coach for KC last year and ended up performing higher than expected. This resulted in a year extension.

    Patrick naild it with Rivera, Whisenhunt, and Gailey.

  246. Waltons’ Mountain,

    “That may be the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on this blog. I spilled my blood for my job; that being defending the freedom of those in this country to work hard, be successful, and be properly renumerated for it.. Whining? Really?”

    I’m sorry I have gotten back here so late, to respond to your above comment.

    1/ I have complimented you here, and other military personnel, for what you do for our country. Thank you. Yet do not think you are the only ones who sacrifice.
    2/ I work at a job helping people now, making 25% of what I used to make when I managed a business. I made the choice (sacrifice?) to help people instead of making money.
    3/ I have walked into situations where my life was desperately in danger. Obviously I made it out. I chose to do it to help and protect people.
    4/ I have spilled blood and incurred serious injury helping and protecting people from themselves and others.

    I appreciate what you have done for us————but do not think you are the only ones who have sacrificed and provided freedoms to Americans. If you put in your 20, you are still getting paid, while I have gained nothing financially from my sacrifice.

    That I did this is unimportant. All of us as Americans have a responsibility to take care of each other and make things better. That’s the American way. We all give what we have to give.

    I do not think any football player is worth $102 million. I do not think any baseball player is worth $240 million. I do not think any coach of any sport is worth $2-7 million. However, whining about it changes nothing. Even in America, it’s not a fair world. Those who work the hardest to not get the most remuneration/reward.

    Complaining——or pulling rank——never makes things right. It only ends up making us smaller.

  247. Dan1283 says:

    Just saw DK retweet that Gorkys Hernandez won the Venezuela League batting title with a .372 average.

    Are you KIDDING me?!

    I know I know, it barely means anything…but still!

  248. Bill Murray says:

    The guy is an area scout with the Yankees. So why isn’t he promoted over there? Plus, this is old news.

    DK: Welcome, first-timer!

  249. Bizrow says:

    I don’t know what the discussion is, but I agree with one thing

    All of us as Americans have a responsibility to take care of each other and make things better. That’s the American way.


    But if anyone posted that Slick Frank has to go, I agree with that as well

    Regarding Gorkys, Neal collects those type of players like I collect baseball cards

    Hopefully Neal’s wife doesn’t complain about his collection as much as my lady “questions the smarts” of mine.

    I’m thinking both collections are relatively about the same value

  250. Bizrow says:

    I will gladly help Neal’s wife on comments of his collection though

    As long as I am breathing and can type

    Just sayin

  251. Arriba Wilver says:

    21—DK must have picked up on your post #127 @ 10.07 about Gorkys. :-)

  252. Officer Mancuso says:

    Couple of links: 1. Washongton Post, on how meddling Redskins owner Snyder has contributed to his team’s playoff appearance by backing off (hopefully Peter Angelos is watching):–and-team-wins/2013/01/04/5e258d18-55e3-11e2-a613-ec8d394535c6_story.html . 2. NY Times editorial that robustly affirms DK’s unprecedented political comment about PA governor Corbett’s lawsuit against the NCAA:

    DK: Really, OM, if you look at what I wrote about Gov. Corbett, his politics are only raised in the context of the fact he’s running for re-election, a facet that I feel had plenty to do with this suit. That’s it. Most of the rest, really, was about the wisdom — or stupidity — of digging this all back up for the Penn State community.

  253. Officer Mancuso says:

    Pardon my renaming the nation’s capital “Washongton”…I was typing on Android glass while maneuvering a Harley on the South Rim of the Grand Canyon without a helmet, listening to the Cowsills.

  254. Drew71 says:

    You shoulda had Madcap Laughs on instead.

  255. 21sthebest says:

    Arriba, did DK pick up on De Jesus from #143?

  256. JohnH says:

    @Dk will you be reporting the facts and doing research for the article (like talking to a sports psychologist and describing what the actual goal of the exercise were) or just offering your opinion based on your current knowledge to the readers of baseball america?

    Today we are featuring Pepperidge farm goldfish bread great for school lunches.

    DK: Getting nervous over at Pepperidge Farm?

    Don’t sweat it. Like I wrote, it’s mostly a collection of greatest hits, with some updated quotes and defensive stuff from the various team executives at PirateFest.

    As for sports psychology, that practice was never even remotely criticized in any of my pieces, not by me and not by any of the people quoted. Fact is, no one I know has a problem with it. That includes the man signing the paychecks at Pepperidge Farm. Therefore, it was and is a non-issue in this case, much as a few at the bakery would love to use it as the red herring.

    If you think that carrying telephone poles and sand bags and spraying hoses and other stuff are “mental conditioning,” the man you need to convince is running the company. He’s one of many in the company who have a major problem with the physical drills that had been used.

    I’d email you his contact info, except that your email on the account is fake.

    Rest up now. Bread rises at sundown!

  257. JohninOshkosh says:


    My dear old philosophy professor, Dr. Fales, would be proud of your posts on the tension between self-interest and sacrifice.

    Somewhere he is smiling!

  258. JAL says:

    Thought one of the rules here was no political posts or does that not apply if sports and politics overlap? So we could have discussed Lynn Swann’s campaign for governor in 2006?

    DK: I can appreciate that thought, Joe. When the governor of the state is suing over sanctions against a football team, and he even includes in his press conference that he waited to make his announcement so as not to delay “the football team’s momentum,” it’s pretty safe to call it a sports topic.

    There are gray areas. I remember when all the local fuss was over the politicians’ various stances on building our football and baseball stadiums. I’d say that crossed over, too.

    It’s not common, though.

  259. Thundercrack says:

    I actually thought Gorkys should have gotten a little more playing time when he was called up to the Pirates.

    But I refuse to get worked up, excited, or even care about winter ball stats and who may have won the batting title of the Venezuela Winter League.

    DK: Who got worked up?

  260. Drew71 says:

    Holy Crap, it’s cold. I had to turn the heat on.

    I always wondered what that switch is for.

  261. TJ says:

    I give BOB the builder one more season at PSU. They won’t be the feel good story of the NCAA football season next year and will slowly fade into obscurity. O’Brien’s rah rah spirit will help him land some recruits but why even take the interview with Cleveland? If he’s taking one interview this year its two next year until he’s Chip Kelly and gets what he wants.

  262. JohninOshkosh says:

    This JohnH stuff is more fun than a frog in a glass of milk!

    Fake e-mail addresses! Entertaining stuff to pass the time here at work.

  263. Dan1283 says:

    Pepperidge Farms is getting some fabulous press in our little corner of the world here. And now I must add pizza goldfish to my next shopping list.

  264. JohnH says:

    any qoutes from the company that ran the drills? have you talked with anyone from acuman sports performance?

    Have you ever had Dellalo ham salad on pepperidge farm wheat slider buns?

    Just retyped email in box above should work

    DK: Which part of this isn’t processing?

    Acumen’s got nothing to do with this unless Acumen did something wrong. By all accounts, they didn’t. Rather, it’s the misapplication of a practice that’s terribly aligned with baseball. That’s 100 percent on the Pirates’ management, particularly as the only team in Major League Baseball applying it.

    Can’t make it any clearer than that.

    Well, actually, the owner of the franchise could make it clearer because he learned MUCH more about the specific reasons for anger within the organization than I ever could. Give him a shout.

  265. Thundercrack says:

    DK: Who got worked up?

    Not you Dejan. But I know how some others might react.

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