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Final: Mariners 2, Pirates 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (18-14) vs. Seattle Mariners (15-19)

Starters: RHP A.J. Burnett vs. RHP Felix Hernandez

Time: 12:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Travis Snider, RF
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Michael McKenry, C
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Jordy Mercer, 2B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Burnett, RHP

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Beat writer Rob Biertempfel is on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Milo Hamilton says:

    No Martin again. Last night 5 thru 9 in the order were a combined 0 for 16 with 8 strikeouts and 6 men left on base. Against future Hall Of Famer Aaron Harang, no less.

  2. Frankie says:

    How Many STRIKEOUTS will Pirates batters have in today’s game?
    0-5 (DOUBLE ODDS)
    6-10 (EVEN ODDS)
    11 or More (EVEN ODDS)

  3. pattonbb says:

    Playoffs by 2012 says:


    How Many STRIKEOUTS will Pirates batters have in today’s game?
    0-5 (DOUBLE ODDS)
    6-10 (EVEN ODDS)
    11 or More (EVEN ODDS)

    Max “wager” is 100 units.

  4. Nate83 says:

    This has to be a mistake. Mercer is in the line up again.

    This leaves us with a bench of injured tabata, injured martin, Old MacDonald, Older Inge, JHay and Gabby. So essentially Gabby in terms of any player you would want to come up in an important at bat.

  5. Frankie says:

    Playoff give me 100 on 6-10 ……

  6. Milo Hamilton says:

    JHay – down.
    Welker – up.

  7. Nate83 says:

    Well the bench remains just as strong hitting wise with Welker.

    I forgot they did that. Thanks.

  8. Thundercrack says:

    Pedro really needs to step it up. And a good place to start would be making contact.

  9. tdb1977 says:

    100 on the 6 to 10 line please Playoffs! Thanks

  10. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jeanmar Gomez will start Sunday in New York against Matt Harvey. I wish him all the best.

  11. Oz says:

    100 on 6-10 k’s

  12. Frankie says:

    Bucs sweep Mariners

  13. Lad9 says:

    Will throw 100 pieces of eight on the 6-10 strikeout line please. Thank you Playoffs and surrogates. In Cleveland for work today so I can’t even listen. Go Buccos – overthrow the King!

  14. theplanisworking says:

    Nah. If it is a warm day, him swinging and missing would provide a nice, cool breeze. ;)

    Pedro has needed to step it up for a long time now.

  15. 21sthebest says:

    I hope he remembers to run should that oddity occur.

  16. JohninOshkosh says:

    With these 2 guys pitching, this game might be over by 2:35 PM.

  17. theplanisworking says:


  18. JRay3 says:

    Come on you have to give Gomez his due, he has done all that has been asked of him and than some. He has 2.38 ERA, 1.28 WHIP and has bailed this team out on plenty of occasions in the first 32 games.

    Besides pitchers coming off near no hitters seem to struggle in the game that follows.

  19. Doesn’t Lirano come back either Friday or Sat.?

  20. KJX says:

    100 on 6-10 Ks

  21. Bizrow says:

    100 on 6-10


  22. JRay3 says:

    Good morning from the Left Coast, great day for the Bucs to get a two game sweep.

    100 on 6-10 strikeouts

    Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs.

  23. Bizrow says:

    Liriano is penciled in to start Saturday

  24. JRay3 says:

    Liriano will pitch Saturday versus Niese, Gomez on Sunday versus Harvey.

  25. oz says:

    playoff give me 100 on 6-10 strikeouts

  26. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    100 on 6-10

  27. JRay3 says:

    Duke Welker has been very impressive in Indy….16 IP 3 H, 20 K’s, 8 BB’s 0.00 ERA and 0.68 WHIP. Interesting that he was drafted twice the Mariners without signing before signing with the Bucs in ’07.

    Have to like adding another very live arm to the bullpen equation.

  28. JohninOshkosh says:

    Did anyone see that White Sox pitcher forget he had to bat against the Mets?

    I predict the DH is in the National League as well within 5 years.

  29. stickyweb says:

    100 units on the 6-10 line. Thanks.

  30. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Ha ha, last year Mercer couldn’t get in the lineup, we complained, now he’s getting playing time and the complaining begins again…

  31. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    that would be a huge improvement….

  32. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Harvey was amazing last night….bloody nose and all.

  33. Jim S. says:

    In fairness to the Fort, he did scorch what should have been an RBI single that got stabbed on a nice play by the 1b. I hope Martin gets back quickly, but Fort can get it done offensively for a couple of days in a row. Now, defensively … that’s another matter if a team likes to run.

  34. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Very live, gets the ball up there, I see future closer written all over him. Gotta get his control inline a little better, but can bring some serious heat.

  35. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    That was pretty funny……and really, he should’ve just stood there instead of actually attempting a swing… was pretty bad.

  36. Jim S. says:

    Clint being Clint with his fascination with middle infield guys that can’t hit but at least know how to find their way to multiple positions in the field. Someone please tell me what JHay brings now that several others already on the roster don’t?

  37. Jim S. says:

    Wait, JHay was announced as coming up, and now he’s back down already?

  38. Nate83 says:

    It was my attempt to poke fun at Mercer not getting in last year at all. I am happy he is getting his shot. I think his play in AAA and his limited time in the majors warrants a better look especially with no shortstop in 2014.

  39. Jim S. says:

    I really don’t like Pedro’s chances vs. KF …. on the other hand, Starling Marte is the ace pitcher giant slayer. He seems to go yard vs. the big name guys.

  40. Jim S. says:

    He could pitch a masterpiece and watch Harvey carve us up for a 1-0 victory.

  41. 21sthebest says:

    Uh oh. Smizik just wrote a column titled, “It’s Time For Vokoun.”


  42. pattonbb says:

    100 units on the 11+ strikeouts.

    Pedro may get close to half of those by himself.

  43. Jim S. says:

    I hope we find a way to make KF work today, which is easier said than done. I would love to see him at 105 pitches through 6 even if he is tossing a shutout. As long as AJ can throw about 6 or 7 innings with 1 run allowed (I know that is asking a lot, but can be done vs. this Seattle lineup), I like our bullpen to shut it down late and maybe we’ll touch up their BP late for the W.

  44. Nate83 says:

    I’m very happy with Gomez. I will be the first to admit I thought leaving him with the team out of spring training was a bad idea but he has been solid. Oliver has been pretty good as well but is still struggling with control a little. Overall not bad pick ups. You can never have to much starting pitching.

  45. Nate83 says:

    Him, Black, Wilson and Morris give us a pretty good group of relievers going forward. Assuming Wilson stays a reliever which maybe he wont if AJ and Wandy are both gone at the end of the year. Something tells me at least one if not both will be back.

  46. Jim S. says:

    I always heard Duke had great stuff, but isn’t he sort of a late bloomer? I don’t mean that he is old, but wasn’t he just an ok prospect before tearing it up the last couple of years and moving up the ranks quickly?

  47. Jim S. says:

    I agree with you on the DH. It is inevitable. A lot of HS pitchers already don’t ever bat where I live. Then, prospects don’t bat much in the minors. Then, they come to the majors and suddenly they have to learn to hit vs. guys like Harvey and Strasburg?

  48. Nate83 says:

    I wish he would have wrote that on Monday or Tuesday morning and the Penguins would have listened.

  49. tomp says:

    Easiest way to solve this problem, would to have the DH and allow the pitcher to hit.

    This solves the problem, once and for all.
    So what, you have a 10 man batting order, a team still needs 27 outs to win a game.

    Add 1 more roster spot(or 2) per team, and the stupid debate, whether Pro or Anti DH is put to bed forever.
    There is no way the DH is going away, so Bob Walk, should just put a lid on it already.
    His constant anti- DH rants are falling on deaf ears, but i am sure he realized that a long time ago.

    I think it’s the most logical solution , to a problem that has divided baseball fans for 40 years now.

    And on the subject of announcers, i thought the Mariners pair are possibly the best in the business.
    Maybe the Pirates troupe of clowns, should give them a listen, and learn something.

  50. NMR says:

    Especially if Clint sends out the Sunday lineup. No-hit territory.

  51. theplanisworking says:

    Mr. Playoffs………

    50 Hippos on 6-10 K’s

    Thank you.

  52. fellocolonial says:

    100 on 6-10

  53. NMR says:

    I don’t think he could ever get it over the plate until last year.

  54. Bizrow says:

    + 1

  55. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’ll try to gain some points against the field and go 25 units on 0-5. Thanks.

  56. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I wouldn’t mind seeing what Wilson does as a starter, he has some great stuff, but, he also has a little bit of a control problem.

    Hard to beat a power lefty arm.

  57. Arriba Wilver says:

    And Barmes close to the other half.

    100 on the 11+ please.

  58. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Or, the DH will be lifted from the AL, which really won’t happen.

  59. Bizrow says:

    Also + 1

  60. Jim S. says:

    Ok, thanks. I thought there was something holding him back. The Bucs seem to know when and how to convert starting pitchers into power relievers in the minors. There are a ton of them in the pipeline w/o depleting the future starters, from what I can see.

  61. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    BASEBALL HERE!!!!!!!!!!

    lol, I’m sure the other thread was all over that.

    BTW, not a huge hockey guy, but with all the bench this guy and bench that guy…SOMEBODY, not mentioning any names, might’ve brought up the idea (I’m sure he wasn’t the first or only) that perhaps (John Wehner term) MAF needed a break…I think he showed that last night

  62. Dom says:

    100 on 11 or more!

  63. Patrick(RI) says:

    I look at this lineup and see extended opportunity for beer-runs (fully endorse Milo’s trepidation for 6-9). Yesterday’s game turned out OK, but you cannot survive for long with 4 automatic outs per 9. I am resolved to be happy, put aside the cynicism and enjoy the game — the point of Pro Sports is to win, but having a good time should be key for a fan.

    PS: the “deep dark depression and excessive agony” seems not limited to the Pirates (look at the stuff on the Pens blog — and they are 2-2 in a playoff series).

  64. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    wow, 32 games already?

  65. Jim S. says:

    I doubt it because the playes assn. sees that as cutting high paying veteran jobs. An extra bullpen arm is often a young guy that doesn’t cost as much as getting rid of a verteran DH. At least, I believe that is the thinking.

  66. JaxBuc says:

    I’ll take 50 King Felix Fastballs on the “11 or more.”

  67. Bizrow says:

    Yeah, he’s been around for a while, maybe even from the past regime

  68. Jim S. says:

    Me, too. If Wilson just gets the BB’s consistently down to 3.5/9 or so, he can be lethal as a starter. The guy doesn’t give up hits, and that off-speed pitch is nasty. Even if he doesn’t start, he will be valuable for years as he slides closer and closer to the 9th inning.

  69. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I’m hoping Jordy Mercer does something today.

    He’s my pick to click.

    Not because I want him to take over fulltime at SS or anything like that, but he seems like a cool kid that just wants a chance to prove himself.

    I don’t honestly seem him being the second coming of Cal Ripken Jr, though he does have his size, it would be nice for the Pirates to find that Allen Craig, David Freese type of lightning in the bottle player that seems to pop up on every team but the Pirates.

  70. NMR says:

    2007 2nd Rounder out of college

  71. Dom says:

    I agree with him.

    It IS time for Vokoun.

    It’s time for Vokoun to stay on the bench as Fleury stays in goal.

  72. cmat0829 says:

    100 on 6-10 please.

  73. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, the season moves so fast. Multiply our current record by 5 and you get 90-70, with 2 games remaining. That would be nice, and definitely in contention for this division with several above average teams. I don’t know that we can keep up at this pace, but with 4 pretty decent teams in the division high 80’s could win it.

  74. NMR says:

    Does he have a 3rd pitch? Awfully tough for guys to turn a lineup over with only two pitches.

  75. Patrick(RI) says:

    Tempted to agree about the announcers, as they were very honest/balanced. But I also thought they were pretty dull –little spark.

  76. Jim S. says:

    AJ’s contract is up, and he has made so much money, has the young family, etc. that he might just go and enjoy raising his family. He has hinted at that. But, then you watch his competitiveness when he is on the mound and you figure the guy has to want a couple more years with what figures to be a better and better team around him. Supposedly, he and his wife have both said this is the only team he would want to play for after this year. I sure hope he has a couple more years in him, and that it is in Pgh.

  77. stuart66 says:

    100 Gorkgons on the 6 to 10.


  78. Jim S. says:

    I thought he had a change that he used as a starter, but doesn’t really need as a reliever so much.

  79. NMR says:

    Sawchick reporting Kyle McPherson made it out of Dr Andrews office without Tommy John.

  80. Joey Mellons says:

    25 on 6-10 buccos Ks.

  81. pattonbb says:

    Just read a Jayson Stark article where he names some possible Bud Selig replacements.

    The good news? Frank Coonelly’s name wasn’t on the list.
    The bad news? Frank Coonelly’s name wasn’t on the list.

  82. Arriba Wilver says:

    Fleury, and the team, need a break. Gotta be Vokoun in game 5.

  83. Iceman says:

    HS pitchers not batting is a bit crazy to me. It seems to me that often times the best pitchers are the best hitters as well. There was an article in the Trib a few days ago about Brenden McKay from Blackhawk pitching a no hitter. When he’s not pitching, he plays first base because he is one of the best hitters on the team as well.

  84. Arriba Wilver says:


  85. Dom says:

    I don’t know if even Coonelly would be as bad as Selig.

  86. blazer says:

    Got to keep my losing streak going so 100 on the 6-10

  87. Bill Born says:

    65 on 6 – 10

  88. NMR says:

    Interesting. Pitch/fx says he’s only used it seven times this season, which would seem to support your comment.

  89. NMR says:

    Assuming he stays healthy, I find it really difficult to believe he’ll hang em up this winter.

    Looks like he’s learning better command as his velocity decreases, which seems to have made him a better pitcher than when he had his best stuff.

  90. Jim S. says:

    I liked the Mariners announcers as well, and thought they were very complimentary regarding their descriptions of Pittsburgh and PNC.

    On the DH + pitchers hitting idea, adding roster spots adds payroll. At an average salary of around $4 million right now (I think), that adds payroll in perpetuity. So, the owners won’t sign up for it.

  91. Jim S. says:

    How true. I was hoping for the change after Game 2.

  92. Chuck Snow says:

    you will be able to hear crickets chirping today when the bottom of the lineup is at bat.

  93. Jim S. says:

    Fleury has been a playoff hero for the Pens, but that time was several years ago. He has done nothing but struggle in the playoffs for the past 3 years, pretty much. Some of the goals he has allowed this series are pathetic. He has to be replaced.

    Ok, no more hockey talk on here for me.

  94. Jim S. says:

    Jordy as 2nd coming of JJ Hardy, perhaps? Not a superstar, but solid with the glove and with some pop.

  95. Jim S. says:

    An unintended benefit of sorts of facing Felix is Barmes won’t come to the plate often! There is that. Haha!

  96. Jandy says:

    100 units on the 6 – 10 please
    Go Bucs!

  97. Jandy says:


  98. Jandy says:


  99. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, it has really clicked for him the last 2 years. & we definitely need a guy that stands up for himself and his team to continue showing the young players how to do that.

  100. Jim S. says:

    Yes, if a kid is a prospect as a hitter and pitcher, he definitely still hits. But, if a kid is just an average hitter but a promising pitcher, he just pitches. That gives a better hitter a shot to develop as well by batting for the pitcher. I think that is why they do it, since they know the DH is coming for the pitchers anyway. I have a friend whose son is a good pitcher, and he was mad that he spent $300 on a new bat for his son last year, and it never got used throughout the HS season.

  101. Jandy says:

    bandwagonner ;)

  102. Jandy says:

    pfffftt!! :P

  103. Jim S. says:

    Selig is bad to fans IMO. I can’t stand the guy. But, the owners have all made a killing since he’s been in there. I don’t know that it was much more than dumb luck brought on by exploding revenues (Internet, apparel, TV) that anyone would have figured out, but Selig gets the credit from the owners. Franchise values are through the roof over the last 10+ years. And, the players have done pretty well from a $$ standpoint. Guaranteed contracts for big bucks!

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s like going to get your car inspected & they just slap a sticker on it.

  105. Dom says:

    Who will replace McDonald in the rotation?

  106. JRay3 says:

    Sunday, Jeanmar Gomez gets another start. JMac may only miss two starts. After that you have Morton who could get back on track in a few days, Gomez if he keeps pitching well and Andy Oliver who has thrown well down in Indy.

  107. radio wave says:

    if this makes it before first pitch, I’ll take 75 on line 6-10 strikeouts. thanks

  108. Naterosboro says:

    Hey Now!

    AJ Ks the leadoff man

  109. Naterosboro says:

    and then JBay grounds out on the 1st pitch of the AB…2 down in the top o the 1st

  110. NMR says:

    I say just get it over with. Messing around with rehab only to find out you still need TJ wastes two seasons.

  111. NMR says:

    Irwin and McPherson really missing out on these opportunities. Shame.

  112. Naterosboro says:

    Sick nasty curve Ks the 3 hitter.

    We go to the bottom of the 1st. 0-0.

    Burnett’s line so far:

    1.0IP 0Hs 2Ks 0BBs (11pitches (7 Strikes))

  113. JRay3 says:

    AJ Burnett uses just 11 pitches, records two K’s to make quick work of the M’s in the first. A lot of talk about Hernandez, but have a feeling we will see AJ rise to the challenge.

  114. NMR says:

    11 pitch inning

  115. Jim S. says:

    Did Andrews give him a number to come back later, like at the deli?

  116. NMR says:

    Ha, you think us fans are aware of pitch counts?

  117. JRay3 says:

    Ho hum another first inning hit for Marte…double to start it off!

  118. Naterosboro says:

    STARling Marte leads off with a 2 bagger.

    Man on 2nd. Nobody Out.

    Lunchbox coming to bat.

  119. Jim S. says:

    What I love about AJ is that he always has that chip on his shoulder. Someone tries to tell him the other pitcher is better, he comes out dealing. The guy does not back down from a battle.

  120. Naterosboro says:

    and 3 pitches send Lunchbox back to the dugout.

    1 away. Still a man on 2nd.

    AMac coming to the dish.

  121. Milo Hamilton says:

    Ahh, the old 2 bagger. Reminds me of college.

  122. JRay3 says:

    Would have to double check but I believe that is the 17th first inning hit for Marte?

    Snider really needed to at least move the runner over in that situation.

  123. Naterosboro says:

    And AMac singles up the middle scoring Marte.

    1-0 Pirates. Bottom of the 1st. 1 out. Man on 1st.

    Jones coming to bat.

  124. Jim S. says:

    Damm, and I predicted a HR today since one of the league’s best is against us! Well, he’ll probably get another couple of shots at KF – hopefully, not more.

  125. JRay3 says:

    Cutch 5 for 5 in this series, singles home the Bucs first run and the Pirates get an early run and lead off Hernandez.

  126. Jandy says:


  127. Naterosboro says:

    Jones walks on 4 pitches.

    Men on 1st & 2nd. 1 out. Bottom of 1. Pirates lead 1-0 on AMac’s RBI single.

    The Fort up with a nice opportunity for an RBI.

  128. JRay3 says:

    The Pirates are first team to score a run off of Hernandez in the first inning this season, covering eight starts.

  129. Jim S. says:

    Already 1-0, and with GJ’s BB, looks like they are working making him work, as I had hoped.

  130. Jim S. says:

    Keep making him rack up the pitch count! I love it.

  131. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now the soft underbelly. Guess we’ll have to settle for 1.

  132. Naterosboro says:

    Michael McKenry grounds into an inning ending 6-4-3 DP. Decent AB where he fouled off a few pitches but, in the end, still the worst possible result.

    We go to the top of the 2nd.

    Pirates 1 – 0 Mariners.

  133. Milo Hamilton says:

    OK A.J., there’s your run.

  134. Naterosboro says:

    Here’s a question I have for everyone…

    Who do you prefer as color man: Walk, Blass or Whener?

  135. Naterosboro says:

    Morales grounds out, 4-3.

    Ackley strikes out swinging.

    2 down in the top of the 2nd. Still 1-0 Pirates.

    Montero to bat for the M’s.

  136. JRay3 says:

    AJ another quick inning, soft ground out, K, lineout…so far challenging the M’s lineup, throwing strikes and spotting well.

  137. Naterosboro says:

    Montero lines out softly to Barmes.

    3 up, 3 down again for AJ.

    We go to the bottom of the 2nd, still 1-0 Pirates.

    AJ’s line so far:

    2.0IP 0Hs 3Ks 0BBs (23 pitches (16 strikes))

  138. JRay3 says:

    Walk is my favorite of the three. Blass would be my second choice.

  139. Bizrow says:

    I like the results as well as the pitch count so far

  140. JRay3 says:

    You think AJ realizes not only that he maybe in for a pitchers duel but that the bullpen covered four innings last night due to late spot start?

    Very efficient to start.

  141. Naterosboro says:

    Alvarez pops out to 3rd. This may be an understatement, but he’s not swinging the bat well right now.

    1 down in the bottom of the 2nd.

  142. Jim S. says:

    As well as AJ has pitched again this year, 23 pitches through 2 innings seems more like the efficiency of the first half of 2012 for AJ. He was getting very deep into games last year. If he can get back to that with similar pitch counts, he will save the bullpen arms and stack up the W’s.

  143. Jim S. says:

    Even by his early season standards.

  144. tdb1977 says:

    In other words, he has already hit the peak of his first uphill swing of the season and is heading back towards a valley. That first upswing was pretty short.

  145. JohninOshkosh says:

    Walk, then Blass.

  146. tdb1977 says:

    Calling the mass media – Clint Barmes has a hit against King Felix! Its a cause for celebration!

  147. JRay3 says:

    AJ pitched seven innings or more in 12 of his starts last season.

    April – 1
    May – 3
    June – 1
    July – 4
    August – 1
    Sept – 2

  148. Jim S. says:

    I like Blass.

  149. Jim S. says:

    And, not only that, but it looks like he battled a little at the plate as well, to get KF over 30 pitches through 2.

  150. Jim S. says:

    Hey, my memory was correct! Always a risk when someone can do a quick fact check on you.

  151. Jim S. says:

    On 2nd thought, he actually pitched deeper more often after June. Well, all in all, 12 7+ inning efforts was strong.

  152. tdb1977 says:

    If I counted correctly – that was a 9 pitch inning by AJ – 2 strikes outs and a ground out.

  153. Naterosboro says:

    Mercer grounds out 5-3. 2 down.

    Barmes singles. Man on 1st, 2 down with AJ coming to bat.

    AJ grounds out, 1-3. And that does it for the Bucs in the 2nd.

    Going to the top of the 3rd, still 1-0 Pirates.

  154. Jim S. says:

    Clint may be on one of his hot streaks at the plate. You know, the kind where he goes 4 for 13 over 4 games. In fairness, though, he made 2 tough plays look very easy last night in the field. I think he has a few more errors than usual so far, but he seems to be getting it together in the field – and (fingers crossed) maybe at the plate.

  155. JRay3 says:

    First time through the order for AJ – nine up, nine down, 5 K’s and all of 32 pitches to dispose of the M’s in their first AB.

  156. Jim S. says:

    AJ …. Rolling, rolling, rolling – thru 3!

  157. Jim S. says:

    Feels like he is about 27 strikes and 5 balls. Very, very impressive to get 9 outs on 32 pitches with 5 of them being whiffs. Nasty stuff apparently, today.

  158. Naterosboro says:

    Endy Chavez grounds out, 4-3. 1 down.

    Robert Andino strikes out, the backwards kind. 2 down.

    King Felix strikes out swinging, and that’s 3.

    We go to the bottom of the 3rd, Pirates up 1-0.

    AJ’s line so far:

    3.0IP 0Hs 0Rs 0ERs 5Ks 0BBs (32 pitches (24 strikes)).

  159. Naterosboro says:

    STARling Marte out on a close play, 2-3. 1 down.

    Lunchbox flies out to CF. 2 down in the Bucs half of the 3rd.

    McCutchen to bat.

  160. Bizrow says:

    He might be having some of that magic stuff in him right now

    Most definitely on a roll

  161. Lad9 says:

    Walk then Blass also. Like them both though. Compared to a lot of the clowns I hear on Extra Innings they do a pretty good job. But I can see where they are not for everyone.

  162. Patrick(ri) says:

    Anybody but JH(I object to his style the most). like Blass & Walk — even when they get silly. Loved that game a few years ago they broadcast together.

  163. Naterosboro says:

    Andrew McCutchen strikes out swing. And that’s 3.

    That’ll do it for the Bucs in the 3rd.

    Still 1-0 good guys with top of the order coming to bat for Seattle in the top of the 4th.

  164. Patrick(ri) says:

    Make that J W.

  165. Milo Hamilton says:

    Vokoun will start tomorrow. As you were.

  166. Naterosboro says:

    AJ allows his 1st baserunner of the afternoon.

    Leadoff walk issued to Saunders.

    Man on 1st, no out.

    JBay to bat.

  167. Naterosboro says:

    Wild pitch allows Saunders to move to 2nd.

    Man on 2nd no out.

    3-2 count on Bay.

  168. Naterosboro says:

    And AJ walks JBay.

    Men on 1st & 2nd, no out.

    Seager coming to bat.

  169. Bizrow says:

    Where did you hear that Milo?

  170. Milo Hamilton says:

    From Mr. Bylsma himself. Pens website carried his media availability.

  171. Naterosboro says:

    AJ Ks Seager looking. Big strike out after he’s gotten himself in trouble with BBs.

    1 out in the top of the 4th with men still on 1st & 2nd.

    Morales coming to bat (most GIDPs in the AL so far this season).

  172. Bizrow says:


  173. Milo Hamilton says:

    The only 1st baseman in the league that can’t throw the ball to 2nd base.

  174. Naterosboro says:

    Morales grounds out to 1st, 3-1. Jones can’t get a grip and the Bucs only get 1.

    2 outs, men on 2nd & 3rd.

    Ackley to bat.

  175. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s the double plays you don’t turn.

  176. Naterosboro says:

    Scored as a wild pitch (but McKenry should’ve blocked it) and the Mariners tie it at 1.

    3-2 count on Ackley with Man on 3rd, 2 outs.

  177. Arriba Wilver says:

    Shows missing Martin.

  178. Milo Hamilton says:

    They tie the game & Burnett has to throw 6 extra pitches.

  179. Arriba Wilver says:


  180. Naterosboro says:

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Ackley strikes out looking.

    We’re thru 3.5 innings at PNC with the score tied at 1.

    4, 5, 6 due up for the Bucs in the bottom half of the 4th.

    AJ’s line so far:

    4.0IP 1R 1ER 0Hs 7Ks 2BBs (61 Pitches (39 strikes)).

  181. Naterosboro says:

    TBF, it’s the 2 BBs to start the inning….

    Can’t do that.

  182. NMR says:

    Exactly. Martin saves this team serious runs.

  183. Naterosboro says:

    Garrett Jones strikes out swinging.

    1 down for the Pirates in the bottom of the 4th.

    McKenry to bat.

    Mariners 1 – 1 Pirates

  184. NMR says:

    To be fair, Milo, he’s also the only right fielder in the legue that can’t throw the ball to 2nd base.

  185. Naterosboro says:

    McKenry hits a can o corn flyball to CF Saunders & flies out.

    2 down in the bottom of the 4th.

    Petey Alvarez coming to bat. He could use a hit.

  186. Milo Hamilton says:

    The guy hasn’t given up a hit for goodness sakes. You have to turn double plays when the opportunity presents itself.

  187. Naterosboro says:

    Alvarez grounds out, 4-3.

    That does it for the 4th. We move to the 5th @ PNC.

    Score still tied 1-1.

  188. 21sthebest says:

    I didn’t see the play but I thought Jones had improved on making that throw. On the radio they didn’t indicate that he should have thrown to second.

  189. Naterosboro says:

    He put 2 runners on base that didn’t earn it (free passes). Say all you want about missed DP opportunities (good on AJ for getting Morales to hit the ground ball and making up for it sort of), but if he doesn’t walk those batters, they’re not there.

  190. Milo Hamilton says:

    You’re right. He stinks.

  191. Naterosboro says:

    Montero grounds out, 6-3. AJ started him 3-0, but comes back to get the ground out.

    1 away in the Top of the 5th.

  192. Naterosboro says:

    Endy Chavez to 2nd on throwing error by Mercer. Chavez hits the ball up the middle, Mercer makes a nice backhand play but cant get enough on the throw and Jones fails to pick it. The ball goes to the fence and Chavez takes 2nd.

    man on 2nd, 1 out. Top of the 5th.

    Still 1-1.

  193. Naterosboro says:

    Where did I say that? I’m not saying AJ stinks at all, just simply you can’t walk the 1st 2 batters of the inning!

    Jesus Christo!

  194. Naterosboro says:

    Andino grounds out, 5-3, as Alvarez looks Chavez back to 2nd.

    2 outs. Man on 2nd. Top of the 5th.

    Felix Hernandez to bat.

  195. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hey, I’m just agreeing with you. Two baserunners in 4 innings is wholly unacceptable.

  196. Dom says:

    Why don’t they try Mercer out at short?

  197. NMR says:

    Garrett Jones making even the most purist of Pirate fans yearn for the designated hitter.

  198. Naterosboro says:

    Felix Hernandez strikes out looking.

    The M’s are gone in the 5th.

    Mercer, Barmes, Burnett (sounds like runs!) due up for the Bucs in their half of the 5th.

    As we go to the bottom of the 5th, score still tied 1-1.

    AJ’s line so far:

    5.0IP 1R 1ER 1Hs 8Ks 2BBs (77 pitches (50 strikes)).

  199. Naterosboro says:

    This is going nowhere lol.

  200. JaxBuc says:

    Right now they need him to play second. Plus, CH’s man-crush on aging no-hit shortstops may prevent that option.

  201. Frankie says:

    Jordy doubles…………

  202. Naterosboro says:

    Jordy Mercer leads off the bottom of the 5th with a double.

    Man on 2nd, nobody out.

    Barmes to bat.

  203. JRay3 says:

    Flash the Z Jordy Mercer, leads off the fifth fighting ball of his hands and doubles down the line and Bucs in business to start the inning.

  204. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just having some fun Nate.

  205. Naterosboro says:

    Clint Barmes is trying to bunt for a hit with a man on 2nd and the pitcher due up next.

    I’m scratching my head.

  206. Milo Hamilton says:

    Why is he bunting ? Yes, he’s a stinky guy but the pitcher’s on deck.

  207. Patrick(ri) says:

    CH must have scratching something, too. What a call!

  208. Bizrow says:

    I don’t think he’s doing it on his own, do you?

  209. Naterosboro says:

    Barmes gets the count back to 3-2 (after being down 1-2), and flies out to RF. Mercer moves up to 3rd.

    Man on 3rd, 1 out.

    Burnett up.

    Still tied 1-1.

  210. Jandy says:


  211. JRay3 says:

    Interesting dilemma here, suicide squeeze, safety squeeze?

  212. Naterosboro says:

    I think we may be trying the safety squeeze.

    I hate the safety squeeze.

  213. Naterosboro says:

    And then AJ slashes but hits it foul down the RF side.

  214. Milo Hamilton says:

    “You need a mind to play mind games.” – Jesse Ventura.

  215. Naterosboro says:

    AJ strikes out attempting to bunt. 2 down.

    Man still at 3rd.

    Marte to bat in the bottom of the 5th.

    Still tied 1-1.

  216. Patrick(ri) says:

    I was thinking I should focus on fun, today. — Bad News Bears were entertaining.

  217. Naterosboro says:

    Walkie & Brown seemed to think it had to be coming from the dugout.

  218. Naterosboro says:

    I gotcha!

  219. pattonbb says:

    I don’t think so.

  220. Naterosboro says:

    Marte strikes out swinging, and the Bucs waste Mercer’s leadoff double.

    On to the Top of the 6th at PNC Park.

    Score Tied at 1 still.

    Top of the lineup due up for the M’s (Saunders, Bay, Seager).

  221. Kevin says:

    Just want to say, I love the play by play postings. Much more interesting than staring at the mlb box score on my phone. Good job guys! There, thats my compliment for today. :)

  222. Naterosboro says:

    I think I’m the only 1 who prefers Whener lol.

    Maybe it’s just that hardcore Yinzer accent the man has.

  223. Bizrow says:

    + 1

  224. Naterosboro says:

    And AJ walks Saunders again to leadoff an inning (Milo, I won’t say anything….)

    Man on 1st, nobody out in the Top of the 6th.

    Jason Bay to bat.

  225. Bizrow says:

    Unless he’s the second coming of Ronnie Cedeno, it had to be CH’s call

  226. tdb1977 says:

    Come on AJ. Find the strike zone. The bats are probably going to go silent and can’t afford to give up any more free passes.

  227. Naterosboro says:

    Saunders steals 2nd.

    Man on 2nd, nobody out.

    1-2 count on Bay

  228. Milo Hamilton says:

    Stole that base off the pitcher but that was a terrible throw.

  229. NMR says:

    “What the hell is going on out there?!”

  230. Naterosboro says:

    Jason Bay grounds out, 6-3.

    Saunders moves up to 3rd (ball was hit towards the middle, so Barmes only play was at 1st).

    Seager to bat (infield in).

    Aaaaan as I’m typing, Seager grounds out, 4-3 with the infield in.

    Now 2 away, man still at 3rd.

    Morales to the dish.

  231. JRay3 says:

    Ball hit to Barmes but runner still advances to third. Infield in and AJ induces the ground out to Mercer, one out away from escaping.

  232. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hey Thunder, something I noticed. Jordy Mercer’s tall.

  233. JRay3 says:

    Could be a reason or what opens the door for Sanchez to backup Martin next year.

  234. JRay3 says:

    9th K by AJ a big one, leaves runner stranded on third and we head to bottom half of sixth knotted up at one.

    If you are a fan of pitching this one has had it.

  235. Dom says:

    Burnett threw 94 pitches so I would assume he’ll be done.

  236. tdb1977 says:

    And we escape the top of the 6th without giving up a run. Only the one walk for Seattle that half inning. Snider, McCutchen, and Jones due up for the good guys.

  237. Naterosboro says:

    Burnett gets Morales swinging on a nasty breaker in the dirt. McKenry blocks well and throws on to 1st.

    The M’s are gone in the Top on the 6th.

    Snider, McCuthen, Jones to bat for the Bucs in the bottom half.

    Score still tied 1-1.

    AJ’s line so far:

    6.0IP 1R 1ER 1H 9K 3BB (94 pitches (59 strikes)).

  238. JRay3 says:

    They might give him one more, he threw 111 two starts ago versus STL.

  239. Naterosboro says:

    Brown said runners were 38/40 off Burnett last year in stolen base attempts.

    McKenry behind the dish does not help matters in this department.

  240. Milo Hamilton says:

    I think he’ll go out for one more.

  241. Kevin says:

    so do you think AJ is good for one more? already at 94 pitches.

  242. Naterosboro says:

    Travis Snider grounds out, 4-3.

    1 away for the Bucs in the bottom of the 6th.

    McCutchen to bat.

    Aaaaaand, as I’m typing, McCutchen lines out to RF Endy Chavez.

    2 away for the Bucs in the 6th.

    Jones to bat.

  243. Naterosboro says:

    Gotta let him start it.

  244. tdb1977 says:

    Anyone warming up in the bullpen?

  245. SJB says:

    Just checking in…Pedro batting his weight yet? No?

    Wanna see my shocked face? :0

  246. Naterosboro says:

    King Felix throws 7 pitches in the 6th, retiring the final batter Jones on a 4-3 ground out.

    We’re 2/3 of the way through in the ‘burgh, with the score, Mariners 1 – 1 Pirates.

    Ackley, Montero, Chavez due up for the M’s in the Top of the 7th.

  247. pattonbb says:

    Took Felix 7 pitches to get through that inning. Was hoping he’d work a little harder than that.

  248. Dom says:

    You guys are right. He is an inning eater isnt he?

  249. 21sthebest says:

    94 would be his lowest pitch total this year. Has gone to 111 two starts ago.

  250. Patrick(ri) says:

    Not unless he has dropped 40 lbs.

  251. Naterosboro says:

    Carter Capps warming for the Mariners. Anyone know if he is of relation to Matt?

  252. Milo Hamilton says:

    Goodnight everybody. Drive home safely.

  253. JHadar says:

    AJ has a one-hitter going and once again . . . .

  254. Naterosboro says:

    Ackley grounds out to 3rd, 5-3. 1 away.

    Montero HRs to Right Center (was not a cheapy) on AJs 100th pitch of the afternoon. That’s his 3rd of the season.

    2-1 Mariners.

    Chavez grounds out, 4-3. 2 away.

    Andino to bat.

  255. JHadar says:

    I typed that before the home run. I thought the sentence should end with no run support…

    Well, anyway AJ has a two-hitter going and ….

  256. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just like Sunday, it appears as if they lost this one in the 1st inning.

  257. Iceman says:

    Makes sense considering the way things are heading. I just don’t really like it.

  258. Bizrow says:

    More bad news, Johnathan Sanchez given his full release.

    If you listen closely, you can hear Federal Street swallowing another 1.35 million

    He pitched just well enough to get the Major League contract, then he went back to his old ways

  259. Bizrow says:

    Was thinking the same thing

  260. Naterosboro says:

    Andino walks.

    Man on 1st, 2 outs.

    2-1 Mariners.

    Felix Hernandez to bat (not pinch hitting).

    Hernandez grounds out, 4-3, and that’s 3.

    The Mariners are done in the 7th, but not before taking a 2-1 lead on Jesus Montero’s 3rd HR of the season.

    They’re singing “Take me out to the ball game” as we head to the bottom half of the 7th.

    McKenry, Alvarez & Mercer due to face Hernandez.

    AJ’s line so far:

    7.0IP 2R 2ER 2H 9K 4BB (109 pitches (64 strikes)). Think that will probably be his final line as I don’t see him throwing another.

  261. Bizrow says:

    Well, I didn’t mean “bad news”, so don’t take that out of context ;-)

  262. Nate83 says:

    I agree completely. Against pitchers the quality of Felix and Gino you don’t get many chances to score runs in bunches. You have to take advantage when you get the chance. Hopefully we can score a few agains their bullpen.

  263. Bizrow says:

    Ok, Pedro, go deep

  264. Naterosboro says:

    McKenry leads off the Bucs half of the 7th with a base hit to left.

    Alvarez up.

    Man on 1st, nobody out.

  265. SJB says:

    What she said.

  266. Naterosboro says:

    Alvarez grounds back to Hernandez for the 1-6-3 DP. 2 away for the Pirates in the 7th.

    Get that man a day off.

    Mercer up with 2 outs and no one on.

  267. Bizrow says:

    Or hit into a double play, sigh…..

  268. Patrick(ri) says:

    Poor walk is begging for some semblace of offense from Pedro, just as he hits a screamer to the pitcher — bench this guy for a month.

  269. Bizrow says:

    And there is the 6th K

  270. Naterosboro says:

    Mercer flies out to Chavez in RF and closes the book on the Pirates in the 7th.

    Headed to the top of the 8th @ PNC Park, it’s Mariners 2 – 1 Pirates.

  271. pattonbb says:

    How about a couple weeks off?

  272. SJB says:

    Doubleplaydro strikes again. Time to think about having him bunt.

  273. Milo Hamilton says:

    I think he’s now officially joined Pete Rose as suspended for life.

  274. Frankie says:

    Pedro….ball on the outside and still tries to pull the ball.

  275. tomp says:

    I think that may be high.

    The 25th , 26th or even 27th man on the roster, is not usually a 4 million a year player.

  276. Dom says:

    Only 5 SO for the buccos so far.

  277. Naterosboro says:

    Vin Mazzaro replaces AJ Burnett on the hill as we start the 8th.

  278. Naterosboro says:

    Mazzaro walks Saunders to lead off the 8th. That’s the 3rd time he’s walked today.

    Man on 1st, nobody out.

    Jason Bay to bat.

  279. Bizrow says:


  280. Naterosboro says:

    Jason Bay flies out to CF Andrew McCutchen, 1 away.

    Saunders retreats to 1st.

    Man on 1st, 1 out with Seager coming to bat.

  281. Naje says:

    Wonder if DK still believes in the “he lives for these moments” line he wrote about Alvarez in 2010?

    Alvarez is approaching epic failure right now. Sit him for the next series. His eyes are reading Chinese, his brain is processing Arabic and his body is speaking Portuguese… NOTHING in sync with him.

    Ego too huge to get better right now. Got to be benched. Cannot continue to run out a .170 hitter, with a .430 OPS with RISP at 3B and in the 6 spot.

  282. Naterosboro says:

    Seager strikes out swinging.

    2 away for the Mariners in the 8th, with Saunders still at 1st.

    They still lead 2-1.

    Morales to bat.

  283. Jim S. says:

    Tried to do that last night for awhile as well.

  284. Jim S. says:

    It seems like Pedro becomes K-Dro if there is no force. If there is a force, he just rolls into a snappy DP.

  285. Naterosboro says:

    Morales hits a humpback liner basically right at Snider in RF, and that ends the Top of the 8th.

    Headed to the bottom, with the Bucs running out of opportunities, as they still trail 2-1.

    Barmes, Pinch Hitter (Gaby?) & Marte due up in the bottom of the 8th.

  286. Jim S. says:

    Yep, typical.

  287. Naterosboro says:

    Clint Barmes hits a can o corn fly ball to CF Saunders and is retired.

    1 out now in the bottom of the 8th with no one on.

    Jose Tabata pinch hitting for Vin Mazzaro.

  288. JohninOshkosh says:

    You can’t always look at things from the FO perspective. Think of it as a good thing for Jonathan. $1.35 million for doing nothing buys a lot of rounds of golf.

    You gotta love the guaranteed contract. I’ve been an at will employee my whole life. I bet Jonathan sleeps better than me when he is unemployed.

  289. Jim S. says:

    What started out so promisingly in terms of both scoring and high pitch count for King Felix, quickly subsided when Fort hit into the 1st inning DP. Once Felix got the lead, we really needed to find a way to work him. But, he’s just so good. Now, he looks like a lock for 8 and possibly the CG. Going to be tough, but not impossible.

  290. JohninOshkosh says:

    The production from the Pirates left side of the infield is staggering.

  291. Jim S. says:

    Reminds me of Adam Dunn from 2 years ago. Everyone says “History says he will eventually snap out in a big way.” Sometimes that doesn’t happen. Ask 2011 Big Donkey, Adam Dunn.

  292. Naterosboro says:

    Jose Tabata lines out to RF Endy Chavez. Hit it well, but it stays up long enough for Chavez to come in and make a diving catch (altho the dive was just kind of for show). Tough on Jose, but he’s retired.

    2 outs, no one on.

    Marte to bat.

    As I was typing that, Marte hits a nubber, and beats Hernandez to the bag.

    1 on, 2 out.

    Snider to bat.

  293. Patrick(ri) says:

    Marte really is fun to watch — all aspects.

  294. Patrick(ri) says:

    Well, almost all . . .

  295. Jim S. says:

    Why Jose Tabata is still on this team I have no idea. Scratch that. I forgot we signed him to a lifetime contract.

  296. Milo Hamilton says:

    Especially on the bases.

  297. Dom says:

    Only 97 pitches for Hernandez.

  298. Naterosboro says:

    Starling Marte stumbles on his wa y to 2nd on a stealing attempt. Gets caught between 1st & 2nd (even tho had he continued, he would’ve had the base stolen b/c Montero didn’t handle it cleanly).

    He’s retired on a quick run down. Things just not going the Bucs way right now.

    We go to the top of the 9th with the Bucs still trailing the Mariners, 2-1.

    Pitching change coming for the Pirates.

  299. JohninOshkosh says:

    The Pirates’ Rick Dipietro.

  300. Naterosboro says:

    Bryan Morris on to pitch the 9th for the Pirates.

  301. Nate83 says:

    Good point Jim. Although 2012 Adam Dunn finished in the top 5 in the AL MVP voting I believe. How do you know which year that will happen with players like Alverez and Dunn? Baseball is a crazy sport.

  302. Jim S. says:

    Hernandez is sub-100 pitches heading to 9th. He feasts on teams like the Pirates, who hack away no matter who they are facing.

  303. Jim S. says:

    Hold them here, Bryan. At least the middle of the order, including Cutch, gets another crack at KF.

  304. Naterosboro says:

    Dustin Ackley flies out to McCutchen in CF, and that’s 1 away for the Mariners in the 9th.

    Jesus Montero to bat.

  305. NMR says:

    This is satirical, right?

    What exactly has Pedro done this year that he didn’t do last year?

    This is Pedro Alvarez.

  306. Nate83 says:

    He makes a lot of teams look bad. Especially ones that don’t see him very much. Him and Verlander in my opinion are a couple steps ahead of all other pitchers.

  307. Naterosboro says:

    Montero grounds out, 6-3.

    2 gone in the top of the 9th.

    Mariners still lead 2-1.

    Chavez coming to the plate.

  308. Naterosboro says:

    Soft lined single to CF for Endy Chavez.

    A 2-out base hit for the M’s RFer.

    Robert Andino coming to bat with 2 outs, and a man on 1st.

  309. pattonbb says:

    a “team-friendly” contract.

  310. Naterosboro says:

    Hernandez in the on-deck circle. He’ll be starting the bottom of the 9th at least.

  311. Jim S. says:

    Yes, big bounce back for Dunn last year.

    These guys that hit for a low average but a ton of HR’s are susceptible to the year where they just cannot get out of a slump. That must be murder living with yourself in that situation. Of course, I guess you’d be living with yourself in a mansion. But, still, baseball is a psychologically tough sport when things are not going your way. There is no one to help you at the plate but you.

  312. Jim S. says:

    Well, NMR, eventually he hit .244 with 30 bombs. I just don’t feel like that is coming this year. I know he got off to a terrible start last year, but did it go on this long? If so, maybe there is more hope of a turnaround than I have right now.

  313. Naterosboro says:

    Andino grounds out to Barmes, 6-3, and Morris retires the side in the 9th.

    No runs, 1 hit, 0 errors, and a man left.

    Last chance for the home team. They trail 2-1 (Montero’s HR still the difference).

    Snider, McCutchen, Jones due up against Hernandez in the 9th, as he tries to complete an impressive performance.

  314. NMR says:

    Yes. Yes it did.

    Go check where Pedro Alvarez was with 100 AB last year.

    It looks an awful lot like where Pedro Alvarez is after 100 AB this year.

  315. Jim S. says:

    With multiple years of control for our 30 year old RF.

  316. Naterosboro says:

    And the Mariners make a pitching change (boy, was i wrong)!

    Wilhelmsen takes over in the bottom of the 9th.

  317. Naterosboro says:

    Lunchbox grounds out to Ackley, 4-3.

    1 away. 2 outs left.

    McCutchen to bat.

    Need a miracle. Or a solo shot.

  318. Nate83 says:

    Hopefully Cutch runs into one and sends it 450′ the other direction.

  319. Jim S. says:

    He makes everyone look bad. The only ones with half a chance are the ones that can find a way to foul pitches off, work the count, etc. You have to get rid of him by the 7th. Blass was saying on radio that this guy leads MLB since ’08 with 75% quality starts. And I don’t think he has a lot of the 6 innings / 3 ER variety. He is tucked away in the Pacific NW and the Mariners don’t score; otherwise he’s a consistent 18-22 win guy.

  320. Jim S. says:

    On the tucked away in the Pacific NW part, I meant that people don’t always know just how freakin’ good this guy is.

  321. Bizrow says:

    How about back to backs?

  322. Naterosboro says:

    McCutchen just gets under it, and flies out to CF.

    2 outs. 1 left.

    It falls to Garrett Jones to keep this inning (and game) alive for the Pirates.

  323. Jim S. says:

    Did Hurdle change pitchers for Seattle while Eric whats-his-name was in the bathroom? Wedge, I mean. Almost called him Erik Bedard.

  324. tdb1977 says:

    Down to our last out today. Come on Jones. Do something with this at bat.

  325. Naterosboro says:

    Jones singles on a line drive to right.

    2 outs.

    With the tying run on base.

    It now falls to Michael McKenry to keep this going (or win it) for the Pirates.

  326. pattonbb says:

    That was a heck of an AB by Cutch, even if it did result in an out.

  327. Jim S. says:

    Cincy did that to Atlanta last night in amazing fashion. Hated it.

  328. tdb1977 says:

    If the fort some how gets on…it all comes down to Pedro’s bat. *shutter*

  329. Jim S. says:

    Getting interesting.

  330. Jim S. says:

    But, not interesting enough. Tough loss.

  331. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates gave up just 32 hits on this homestand (11 of those in one game). That’s 6 per game. And they went 2-3. What a lousy offensive ball club.

  332. Dom says:

    This wasn’t meant to be.

  333. Naterosboro says:

    McKenry flies out to Jason Bay (fitting no?) on a 2-0 pitch. Was right in his wheelhouse, but, like McCutchen, gets under it and hits a can o corn for the final out.

    That does it for this 1.

    Pirates split with the Mariners, dropping this afternoon’s game 2-1.

    Hernandez & Burnett were as advertised, with Hernandez just doing a little bit extra.

    It’s on the road now for 4 games against the Mets in NYC at Citi Field.

    Seeya next time!

  334. NMR says:

    Detwiler, Strasburg, Gonzalez, Hernandez

    Yep. These guys suck.

  335. Nate83 says:

    They do have 2 or 3 guys that have been a complete drain on the entire offense, but even those guys are hitting so badly that you know eventually they will come back closer to what we know or think is their norm. We faced some front line starters in those 5 games as well.

  336. JRay3 says:

    Well tough one today, but there is a reason King Felix is one of the best arms in all of baseball. Really would like to have that run on the wild pitch back.

    Reds getting trounced by Braves and Cards losing to Cubs, hope that holds and time to look ahead to the four game set with the Mets.

  337. TCB says:

    Strasburg, Hernandez, Gonzalez and Detwiler are capable of shutting down any offense. Having said that, the offense is extremely top heavy.

  338. JRay3 says:

    Tough stretch of arms for sure…next three days of Gee, Marcum and Niese will be a much different tune.

  339. Nate83 says:

    You forgot Herang :)

  340. Chuck H says:

    Damn shame to lose this game for Burnett.

    With the exception of the home run, he couldn’t have been better. What a lousy offensive bunch of losers we have. Too many auto outs.

  341. tdb1977 says:

    Who would have thought that Playoff’s winning line today would be 0 to 5 strike outs. Congrats to anyone that took that line today. King Felix only told 5 Pirates to #STFD.

  342. Jim S. says:

    I think we’re going to be middle of the pack in combined pitching, a little less than the middle in hitting, and toward the top in in fielding and running. We play a lot of close games. It takes a lot of good fortune to consistently win close games. Hard to really get on a roll for very long unless you have lights out pitching and/or you are explosive offensively. We don’t fit into any category yet. But, I think we will hang around.

    It sure would be nice to go through a series where we miss the other team’s ace once in awhile.

  343. Jim S. says:

    Cutch is $$$.

  344. Bizrow says:

    5 K’s, if I was starting a Casino, the first guy I would hire is Playoffs to set up the betting odds.

    A tough one to lose, but we did lose to a good one

  345. NMR says:

    Did you miss the five games prior to this homestand where those lousy bunch of losers put up 32 runs?

  346. JRay3 says:

    You do realize Felix Hernandez had only allowed 2 ER in last 30 IP and only 20 H’s allowed. He has shutdown the Tigers, A’s, Blue Jays, Angles, Astros this season and will shutdown a lot more as the season progresses.

  347. Jim S. says:

    I also thought he was going to get out of that 4th unscathed. But, then the WP. Ugh! That turned everything around for Seattle. Otherwise, we’d still be playing – our bullpen vs. their bullpen. You give up 2 hits & 4 BB in 7 innings and the guy on the other side pitches better. Wow!

  348. NMR says:

    The Pirates are 10th in the NL in runs scored and no team has faced harder pitching.

    Everyone put down the sharp objects.

  349. Jim S. says:

    Best pitcher in the AL, maybe. I think he might be more consistent than Verlander, although I’d gladly have either take the bump for me.

  350. Jim S. says:

    Agreed. I felt like last year we had some good fortune to build our record. This year, I feel like we are deserving of 18-15 – which is an 88 win pace BTW. This team battles every game, pretty much. They have the Marte factor now also.

  351. Arriba Wilver says:

    Last year, May 4

    .260. .295. .603. .898

    This year May 4

    .178. .236. .327. .563

  352. Jim S. says:

    Good point.

  353. Milo Hamilton says:

    Have you checked into each one ?

  354. NMR says:


  355. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thank you.

  356. NMR says:


  357. Thundercrack says:

    I’m probably in the minority here but I wonder why they didn’t send Jonathan Sanchez to Indy after he cleared waivers. He might straighten himself out a bit and the way this season is going you may need someone to make a few starts later in the season.

    But I guess they’ve seen enough of him to know that he isn’t going to straighten himself out.

  358. Milo Hamilton says:

    Who ? Never heard of him.

  359. Jim S. says:


  360. Jim S. says:

    70, more like it.

  361. Jim S. says:

    Not only the guaranteed contract, but guaranteed to be a very large sum of money.

  362. Ghost says:

    This pithy little exchange between you two was more entertaining than some entire threads.

  363. Naje says:

    What should this team do with Alvarez in the short term? Sit him v. lefties? Sit him a game or two or a whole series? He’s a giant void in the order right now and supporting a .168, terrible swinging, terrible at bats, 6 errors in 31 games 3B is really tough to do. It’s tough enough to deal with Barmes’ at bats and McKenry at bats and even Mercer… but Alvarez is just killing the team… his OPS with RISP is .430… batting average w RISP is .140.

  364. Ghost says:

    Thanks to Frankie and Patton for getting Playoffs’ lines up, this morning. Thought I’d be able to do it, but wasn’t able to.

  365. NMR says:

    Ah, ESPN.

    How bout we compare equal sample sizes and not arbitrary dates after Pedro goes on a 12+26 tear?

  366. NMR says:

    Exactly what you did with him last year.

  367. Jim S. says:

    Very tough call. Personally, I’d sit him for awhile. Maybe come up with an injury and get him on the 15 day DL. Jay Bell has to wonder what he is supposed to do to straighten out that mess. I guess Jordy would be my #1 candidate to start at 3b while Pedro is out. Please, Clint, no JHay.

  368. Arriba Wilver says:

    Baseball Reference

    You think I’m lying?

  369. Arriba Wilver says:

    Show me where Pedro has come close to those numbers at ANY time this year. He hasn’t been above a .200 batting average since the second game of the year.

  370. NMR says:

    Can we just copy and paste this conversation into early May 2014?

  371. Arriba Wilver says:

    And look at the game logs. This isn’t rocket science.

  372. Ghost says:

    Yeah, a team usually needs production out of its 3rd baseman and we’re just not getting it. Sitting him against lefties for a while or otherwise putting him in situations where he has a good chance of succeeding would be prudent for a good stretch. Because I think this year — once it’s taken it its entirety — is the big fork in the road for Pedro. He’s 26 years old and in his fifth year of pro ball after a previous three years of D1 ball. The time has come for him to figure it out or perhaps get a change of scenery if it still doesn’t happen.

  373. Ghost says:

    I take this to mean you consider Pedro a slow starter or a streaky performer and that things will even themselves out. I don’t know what to think about him right now.

  374. NMR says:

    Trust me, I hoped as much as the next guy that the Pedro we saw from June-September was going to be the Pedro we got for the entire year.

    That clearly hasn’t been the case.

    At some point, we’re going to have to accept it the slumps and take the 25-30 home runs or move on. This is Pedro.

  375. Jim S. says:

    Neither do I. I had been hoping the way he fought through the tough times last season to put up good power #’s might have helped him turn a corner that would carryover for this year. Doesn’t look like he is even as good as last year. This crap with insisting on pulling pitches off the outside corner has to stop. Leads to a lot of DP’s. I can’t believe Bell is not trying to address that. If he is and Pedro just isn’t listening …. not good.

  376. NMR says:

    Through 116 PA’s last year, Pedro had just 2 more walks, 2 more home runs, and 2 more strikeouts.

    He could make up that difference on any given day.

    His batting average on balls in play was also 60 points higher.

  377. Jim S. says:

    I’ll say this. If you are right, NMR, and he gets back to .244 with 30 HR this year, I’ll take it because we are in for a pretty strong next 130 games from him.

  378. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’ve said before, to some ridicule, that I don’t think he does listen.

  379. Arriba Wilver says:


  380. NMR says:

    Through the same amount of plate appearances last year, 116, he was hitting .214 with just two more homeruns.

  381. Jim S. says:

    Just thought of something, Arriba Wilver. If the real Wilver were still alive, I bet he would be the one guy who could get through to Pedro. He would know exactly what he is going through, although even at Stargell’s worst as a kid he was far better than Pedro. But, Willie figured out how to go to LF with power instead of insisting on pulling everything. He might be able to coach and mentor him through it. Alas, gone too soon.

  382. NMR says:

    Baseball Reference

    This isn’t rocket science.

  383. Ghost says:

    Well the one thing in his favor is that there is not someone in Indy being held down by him. So we can let this play out a bit more. But if “this is Pedro,” he is no long-term answer for 3rd base, especially with his contract being up after next year and his agent being you-know-who.
    If he warms during the summer and the Pirates remain in contention, we should stand pat. If the Pirates are sinking the end of July, might be time to see if he can be shopped. Hey, the Dodgers got us to take Andy LaRoche off their hands, after all.

  384. Arriba Wilver says:


  385. Ghost says:

    Ah HAH — Adam LaRoche redux!

  386. NMR says:

    I actually never made that connection, but wow, you might be right.

  387. Ghost says:

    Must have been really special to play on a team with Stargell. He was not even a once-in-a-generation player. Can’t think of anyone like him who has played for the Pirates since.

  388. Ghost says:

    Was just playing around. But I could certainly live with Pedro if he turns out to be like Adam. Great glove, great second-half player, and a real leader for the Nats last year.

  389. Thundercrack says:

    This is just my opinion and I have no proof that this is true.
    But Pedro strikes me (no pun intended) as a guy who can talk the talk in the batting cage and with the coaches. He listens and says the right things.
    But when he gets into the batter’s box he goes back to being clueless

  390. Arriba Wilver says:

    Look. I’ll take your word for it. If I hadn’t looked at the numbers I would have thought the same as you–it’s Pedro, started slow last year, too. But when you look at the numbers, he didn’t start THIS slow. Can he turn it around? Of course. But to ignore the numbers I think is a mistake. (2 homers over this period is arguably the difference between 20 and 30 homers) We don’t know yet who we have here. You can’t assume he will be fine anymore than you can assume he will continue to stink. That’s basically the only point I was trying to make. He’s not in Adam Laroche territory yet where you know what you will get by the end of the season. Too early to panic? Sure, but not for concern.

  391. NMR says:

    I can’t imagine the team wouldn’t offer arbitration after next year, or even the year after. His last trip through, which I believe would be 2017, might be a different story.

    I wouldn’t be opposed to shopping him in theory, but there’s such a huge chance of it backfiring. Even with the slumps, it’ll be hard to replace his production.

  392. Thundercrack says:

    I think you were ridiculed because Pedro’s ears were covered by his hat…thus he couldn’t listen.

  393. Arriba Wilver says:


  394. Jim S. says:

    That’s true. 30-35 HR potential does not grow on trees – and maybe not even in labs so much any more.

    I still have hope. I keep thinking … any day now, he is going to snap out big time.

  395. Ghost says:

    Well, we’ll have a more clear idea of what hand to play as this year progresses and Pedro either warms up or does not (not that I claim to know how Neal Huntington’s mind works).
    In the meanwhile, I’m going with the ‘Adam LaRoche’ plan and I’m stickin’ to it!

  396. Arriba Wilver says:

    And Jim S is right. He went from being a home run machine to being close to a triple crown threat at one point.

  397. NMR says:

    I’m not ignoring the numbers. In fact, I’m looking at them more closely by comparing equal statistical samples.

    23 PA/HR equates to 26 over a 600 PA season.

    Pedro is hitting just .200 on balls in play. His career average on balls in play is .302. He’s not striking out any more often than he was through this point last season and his line drive rate is actually higher than last year.

    I’m not assuming anything. I’m making a judgement based on about 1200 big league at bats.

  398. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m done.

  399. NMR says:

    Agreed, gentlemen.

    As frustrating as it may be.

  400. Jim S. says:


    I do remember the last several years of Wilver, including ’79. He was truly special. He struck out a lot, but not like Pedro. He still got that avg. up into the .270/.280, even .290 range a lot. But, for raw power from a lefty, I have to believe Pedro is the closest to Stargell. Willy had these great, strong and quick hands. You would see him windmilling that bat around, and think there is no way he could get set in time to get around on a fastball, and even if he did you would think he couldn’t turn it around with authority. And, if you thought that for very long, you would be dead wrong. I recall that he had the longest HRs at not only 3 Rivers, but a bunch of NL Parks. Once hit 2 balls over the RF roof of Chavez Ravine in the same game. I don’t think anyone else had ever even hit one before that. Back to your point about being on a team with Wilver, add to that the fact that he paired with Clemente for around 10 years, I think. Amazing!

  401. Ghost says:

    Agree with all above. What I had meant to say in my previous post on Stargell was that he must have been such a special presence. The way even other veterans on his teams could look to him for encouragement and leadership is what set him apart. He was a leader’s leader. I remember hearing Steve Blass affectionately describe how after his own arm betrayed him, Stargell stood in the box at BP when no one else dare would and repeatedly encouraged Blass to keep throwing it in there, contuing to reassure Blass, even though the throws were coming in at Stargell’s head and everywhere else.

  402. Arriba Wilver says:


  403. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Final 2-1, kinda what everybody expected huh? Missed the who game, but I will try to scroll through everyone’s comments to see who needs to be traded, sent down, or DFA’d.

  404. pattonbb says:

    or tarred and feathered.

  405. Arriba Wilver says:

    Actually, I haven’t seen any of that after this game. Everyone seems to get that we were playing a premier pitcher. Our premier pitcher played him tough. It’s one of those 54 every team loses, and I think just about everyone gets that.

  406. Officer Mancuso says:

    When Pedro went on his recent, DK predicted romp, I donned sackcloth and ashes. I’ve now doffed the coarse fabrics and carbon face-paint. 26 years old, 113 plate appearances into his 4th season in the bigs, this guy has not performed as you would hope a #2 overall pick might, is not worth the wealth Boras extorted from Nutting, and falsifies the hypothesis that NH had metrics as reliable as or more reliable than, oh, the GM who drafted Buster Posey that year. In NH’s defense, Posey was the only non-disastrous pick among the top 5 that year – hindsight is 20 20 and infinitely easier than prediction. But Pedro’s a bust. Despite all the practice swings, pitchers are figuring him out way faster than he’s adjusting. Toto, I don’t think we’re in the SEC any more. Ditch the pretentious practice swings, you’re halfway through a failed pro career. Get teachable or go away.

  407. Officer Mancuso says:


  408. Officer Mancuso says:

    Note to Pedro Alvarez: in Pittsburgh, if we’re failing, we adjust.

  409. MadTurk says:

    Was he from Cleveland and in a Pittsburgh bar?

  410. Jim S. says:


    I heard the same thing about Willie and Blass. BTW, I was really young but I have faint memories of Blass during his control problems. This was a guy who was one of the best pitchers in the league at the start of the ’70’s. Totally dominated the vaunted O’s in the ’71 series in 2 different games, including Game 7. Then, just lost it. I would say the closest thing to Blass for the couple of years before he lost it, as best I can tell from a Pirates standpoint, would be Drabek from the early ’90’s. Just a really solid pitcher and great team guy. To lose it like that, and not be able to get it back must have been really tough. He was on his way to 200 wins. Well, at least he always had the ’71 Series, and he had 100+ wins. He just never got to finish off an elite career. I’ve never heard him complain about it. Dealt with it like a man, and I think he’s a great Pirates ambassador.

  411. Jim S. says:

    It is amazing how the pitcher you face on a given day can change everything. Seattle has this one incredible pitcher, and he is on a hot streak even compared to his usual standards right now. If we had missed him by a day, we probably sweep them. But, you have to face who you have to face, and we just weren’t going to get many runs. AJ showed up, as always, and pitched very well. He just caught maybe the best pitcher in baseball in a groove. Now, whoever gets to face Seattle the next 4 games gets to miss King Felix. That’s baseball. Bucs need to put it behind them, and go to NYM and take 3/4.

  412. Jim S. says:

    Agree on the “get teachable” advice 100%, Officer. It is difficult for lefty power guys to learn to drive the ball to LC … but the good ones do it. Ryan Howard struggled with that and then all of a sudden – boom! If Pedro is to reach his potential, he needs to stop fighting the desire to drive everything to RF. We cannot continue to accept Doubleplay-Dro with 1st & 3rd, one out. He could maybe get away with reaching and pulling outside pitches in the SEC and minor leagues, but these MLB pitchers will continue to make him look foolish if he keeps it up. They are very good at turning lefties with power into platoon players.

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