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Final: Pirates 1, Tigers 0, 11 innings

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (33-20) vs. Detroit Tigers (29-22)

Starters: LHP Jeff Locke vs. RHP Doug Fister

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Russell Martin, C
  6. Travis Snider, RF
  7. Brandon Inge, 3B
  8. Jordy Mercer, SS
  9. Locke, LHP

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel and Karen Price are on the beat.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.

    Line #1
    Total INNINGS PITCHED by Jeff Locke batters in tonight’s game
    Line is 6.75

    Line #2
    Total Combined HITS by Andrew McCutchen + Starling Marte in tonight’s game
    Line is 2.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

  2. siggy says:

    Hurdle sitting Alvarez against RHP makes absolutely no sense. Especially for an over the hill has-been like Inge.

  3. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 1400
    Pucknutz ~ 1200
    theplanisworking ~ 1125
    JRay3 ~ 1000
    bman ~ 845
    tdb1977 ~ 785
    radio wave ~ 675
    Frankie ~ 625
    fellocolonial ~ 600
    RobertoForever ~ 490
    JohninOshkosh ~ 475
    KJX ~ 375
    EricBowser ~ 350
    stickyweb ~ 300
    Nate83 ~ 275
    Boise Bucco ~ 200
    Ermine ~ 200
    Evan ~ 200
    Keith ~ 200
    TK ~ 200
    Arriba Wilver ~ 175
    JoeyBats ~ 175
    JUCOFan ~ 175
    Bill Born ~ 135
    blazer ~ 100
    Karen22 ~ 100
    PetroSteel ~ 100
    TCB ~ 100
    cherokee23 ~ 50
    mlrgenuine ~ 50
    OZ ~ 50
    TJ ~ 50
    tmp444 ~ 25
    JaxBuc ~ 5
    Chico ~ 0
    DemonDachshund ~ 0
    Jason81 ~ 0
    pants-n-at ~ 0
    Ruffian706 ~ -40
    absolute59 ~ -100
    Dcpinpgh ~ -100
    Joey Mellons ~ -100
    John in WM ~ -100
    Kevin S ~ -100
    kr70 ~ -100
    steelercrazy ~ -100
    cmat0829 ~ -250
    Ghost ~ -250
    JD ~ -275
    Brandie ~ -375
    Dadtackular ~ -400
    Steve J. Smith ~ -400
    Dom ~ -475
    pattonbb ~ -500
    Lad9 ~ -600
    stuart66 ~ -600
    cosmo ~ -800
    JMB ~ -800
    Kevin ~ -1030
    Jandy ~ -1375
    Bizrow ~ -2400

    JRay3 ~ 1075
    Pucknutz ~ 900
    Arriba Wilver ~ 700
    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 500

    ***First Place at the end of MAY will win:***

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fourth Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fifth Place at the end of the season will win:

  4. Michael says:

    Re: Alvarez, his instagram account seems to indicate that he had some dental work done today.

    His account is ELMatatan196

    Regardless…Inge has been awful.

  5. Nate83 says:

    I agree. The guys last at bat produced a game changing two RBI double. I don’t care if he is facing a pitcher who he is 0-20 against lifetime with 15 strikeouts he needs to play in this game.

  6. The Gunner says:

    He really should be playing Pedro all the time. Sit him against a Tier 1 lefty and that’s it. What I really like is Mercer being at SS.

  7. bman says:


    Line 1: 100 on the UNDER
    Line 2: 50 on the UNDER


  8. TK says:

    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 on the OVER

  9. KJX says:

    #1 100 Under
    #2 100 Over

  10. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Just a heads up….
    Since 3-Play Friday is tomorrow and it is also the final game of the month, there is the possibility we will not know who the May winner is until Sunday.

  11. BostonsCommon says:

    Pedro: “Hey skip, I finally came through with some clutch power. ”

    Hurdle: “Great job! Way to go”…”Now go grab some pine”

  12. SJB says:

    They should play Mercer until he deserves to not be played. His bunting ability alone outweighs any small defensive upside Barmes might have over him. This platooning only works if one player matches up against another pitcher better and looking at Barmes splits, a case can not be made for him over Mercer in any situation.

    Time to let the younger, capable players get their shot and become the face of the team ASAP and let the older ones who have had their shot and have slipped in recent seasons contribute in a depth role and as a bench player. Making $5 million a year doesn’t mean you deserve to play. Of course Hurdle can stick Barmes back in their for no good reason and lie point blank to everyone again about playing the best 25. Not like it would surprise anyone anymore.

  13. tomp says:

    Maybe Hurdle is “showcasing” Inge, for a future deal.

    This guy should not be taking away at bats from anyone on this roster.
    Will all his defensive challenges, i would still prefer Harrison at 3b, if Alvarez is not going to be in the lineup.

    I think a better “over/under” would be the amount of times Inge reaches 1st base tonight.
    I would put it at 1, and bet heavy on the “under”.

    Most useless player on this team, and hopefully his paltry salary compared to major league standards, is not blocking the FO from dumping this guy.
    The sooner, the better, since he provides very little, especially on the offensive side .

  14. Bizrow says:

    Crap, tough choices,

    100 on the OVER for both lines, thanks playoffs and good post on the chat today

  15. fellocolonial says:

    100 under on 1
    100 over on 2

  16. JRay3 says:

    Now have to figure out the strategy and in-game adjustments I need to make to hold on, the pressure.

  17. Bizrow says:

    Well, I think we know at least of one blogger that is out of it ;-)

  18. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks Biz.
    I thoroughly enjoy reading DK’s baseball work.

    I got hooked about 5-6 years ago reading his daily beat.
    I love the fact he makes himself so easily accessible.

    I don’t want the actions and words of a few miscreants and malcontents to cause us all to get lumped into the same group.

    The vast majority of us just want to enjoy the season and enjoy reading about it (good or bad) from DK.

    DK: I appreciate it, Playoffs. Hope you found chat answer fair.

  19. Jandy says:


  20. Jandy says:

    Make that 2 ;)

  21. Bizrow says:

    + a bunch

  22. Bizrow says:

    You are right, we are pitiful, aren’t we?

    Well, not the first time for me ;-)

  23. Patrick(ri) says:

    Does Fister throw junk? That could be a reason to sit Pedro.

  24. JRay3 says:

    DK posted a picture that Pedro put on instagram of him in a dental / doctor office…that is most likely reason he is being held out tonight.

  25. Patrick(ri) says:

    Just saw it. Should check that more often. Ouch!

  26. pattonbb says:

    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 on the OVER


  27. Been there. Wouldn’t want to play ball after a dental appt. Until the gas or novacane wore off, anyway.

  28. The Gunner says:

    I agree – let Mercer be the man until he is not performing. Correct me if I am wrong on this:

    I think the last shortstops the Bucs developed through their farm system that had any sustained success in the big leagues was Gene Alley (mid 1960s) and Fred Patek (late 1960s). Frank Taveras & Mario Mendoza (early to mid 1970s) never had much success in the majors. And, Jay Bell came up in the Minnesota and Cleveland systems.

    Talk about a drought!!!

  29. Jandy says:

    Misery loves company, Biz, and you rock :)

  30. Bizrow says:

    + too many to count

  31. Oshkosh b’Gosh,

    You have GOT to take that Diane Lane picture off your posts.

    We are only red-blooded American males you know!

    When her picture appears right next to Mother Theresa’s, it cause too many of us great conflict!

    How ’bout a picture of a Holstein or a Guernsey for “America’s Dairyland?”

    Michelle Bachmann from your bordering state would sure shut down the old testosterone!

  32. BostonsCommon says:

    The FO has proven repeatedly that salary will not prevent them from cutting a player. What has it been, 3 weeks since they flushed J. Sanchez and $1.5M of Nutting’s cash down the toilet? I think Aki was making $5M, and he was told to take his knee brace someplace else.

    Plenty of ways to bash the FO with more accurate speculation.

  33. Dom says:

    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 on the OVER

  34. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    DK, I not only found your answer fair, but I also understand exactly where you are coming from.

    Just know that no matter how obnoxious the minority is, that is exactly what they are – the minority.

    The overwhelming vast majority of us come here everyday not to knock you. We come here because we appreciate your hard work. Please don’t ever forget that, no matter how vocal the minority is.

  35. Dom says:

    Another night of Mercer!!!

  36. Jim S. says:

    Pedro probably can’t go tonight after the dental work. But, how about Inge’s at bat last night? That was one bizarre play. Was that a hit & run that he missed on the 3-2 pitch? Cutch sure got hung out to dry, and suddenly a leadoff single followed by a 3-2 count on the next batter, which seemed to be setting up the possibility for burying the Tigers became 2 out, none on in the blink of an eye. That pitch looked a tad inside, but you have to swing there.

  37. SJB says:

    Not much of a list to hang a hat on is there?

  38. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not sure where you’re coming from with the Hurdle mocking. I really have no clue how people can accuse him of not being honest. He’s probably the most honest person in a management role for the Pirates since Leyland of the 1990-1992 years. I guess if you don’t care what the facts are you can say whatever you want. If it makes you feel good. Agree with him or not, but he’s a straight shooter in my book.

  39. Tom P. says:


  40. Jim S. says:

    Correct. We just cannot develop SS’s – ever!

  41. OZ says:

    Line 1: 100 Over
    Line 2: 100 Under

  42. The Gunner says:

    Alley was pretty good then he hurt his arm and was never the same. Patek played for a long time with the Royals and was fairly successful. Taveras was a bum and Mendoza’s claim to fame was “the Mendoza line”.

    Let’s hope Mercer becomes another Dick Groat. If he ends up being 75% of Dick Groat, we’ll all be happy.

  43. Bizrow says:

    I see a lot of new bloggers around lately. We’re keeping a list of lunatic locations, if you haven’t posted where you currently reside, please do so.


  44. Big B says:

    Rob Biertempfel just tweeted the El Toro had two wisdom teeth extracted today. Ouch. I’ll accept that as a reason to sit.

  45. Kevin says:

    wow thats a tricky line… Jeff Locke’s BATTERS. That is to say… Fister is a Jeff Locke batter. But if Locke lasts longer to get a relief pitcher batting in say the 6th inning, that pitcher would also be a Jeff Locke BATTER. Regardless, I’m going to say…

    #1 – 100 on the under.
    #2 – 100 on the over!

  46. JRay3 says:

    Good afternoon to the window, a perfect night to make it three straight over Jim Leyland’s squad.

    Two line Thursday is here and line 1 features Jeff Locke. In his 10 starts this season, Locke has only managed to go seven innings twice. The under seems to hold the value here.

    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER

    In line 2 we take a look at Marte and Cutch. Cutch who only had one hit credited to him last night, stung the ball with authority all evening. In the month of May, Cutch is 33-100 .330 and owns ten multi-hit games. The opposing pitcher Doug Fister has given up 8 or more hits in all but one of his May starts, that coupled with how Cutch is swinging enough for me.

    Line 2 – 50 on the OVER

    Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs!

  47. Pucknutz says:

    line 1 100 UNDER

    Line 2 100 OVER

  48. BostonsCommon says:

    Medford, Mass

  49. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’d forgotten about that with the win. It sure was strange, and Cutch, who rarely shows it, wasn’t happy.

  50. cmat0829 says:

    Goodness we love to jump all over Hurdle. Pedro isnt playing as he had his wisdom teeth pulled today. And to blame INGE on the play and not CUTCH who absolutely, positively needs to run to the base regardless is beyond the pale. You don’t have hit and runs on 3-2 counts…the batter needs to be able to take ball 4… the pitch was a strike but I can’t fault Inge…the pitch was a very good one with late break on the tip of the inside corner.

  51. Frankie says:

    Give me a 100 on both lines

    Line 1 under

    Line 2 over


  52. JHadar says:

    They never should have traded Groat!

  53. SJB says:

    Who knows, maybe they can but we’ll never know if they don’t give Mercer a real good look and see just like they feel obligated to give every other player who doesn’t have a $5 million albatross named Barmes hanging around his neck and begging for playing time. One bad game and it’ll be: “Oh well, see we told you. We have to put Barmes back in there because he’s clearly better…plus he’s a veteran and all that.” – NH’s thoughts via Hurdle’s mouth

  54. cmat0829 says:

    CUTCH wasn’t happy because he BLEW IT. Must’ve thought there were either (1) TWO OUTS and the K was the 3rd out or (2) that the ump called ball 4 and he didn’t have to run. Either way it was HIS MISTAKE and nothing to be “MAD ABOUT” except himself. Come on, man! (as Steven R Smith would say…and boy do I hate ESPN for that crap).

  55. Thundercrack says:


  56. cmat0829 says:

    hmmm.. tigers lineup is tough… i can see Locke going 6, maybe even an out into the 7th,…tough to see him get thru 7 …. Cutch I think will get some knocks, hoping Marte can snap out of it…..

    100 each:

    1. UNDER
    2. OVER


  57. Arriba Wilver says:

    Cutch was only halfway to 2nd when the ball was thrown. I don’t know who the guilty party was, but it seems a bit presumptuous to assume it was Cutch. The guy with the big contract always gets blamed. I’m just asking the question. It did seem odd to just stop, but it wouldn’t have made a difference. He was out when Inge didn’t swing.

  58. cmat0829 says:

    this is the first time Mercer has started 2 games in a row at SS, right? Another good sign that Hurdle isn’t coddling Barmes, he is giving the hot(ter) hand a chance to play.

  59. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Wow good catch there, bad proof-reading by me.
    it is supposed to say total innings pitched by Jeff Locke…

  60. JAL says:

    Will post this again tomorrow morning but just a heads up. Morning links going a well needed vacation after the past few months. Will have them tomorrow than not again until next Wednesday or Thursday

    DK: Enjoy, Joe! And thanks for everything you do!

  61. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    And don’t be shy either.
    Feel free to step up to the window!!!

  62. 21sthebest says:

    My take is when Cutch looked back, he saw a combination of Inge taking the pitch and that ump’s somewhat delayed call and he thought it was ball four. That’s what I thought and that ump drove me nuts all night the way he called a third strike.

  63. cmat0829 says:

    also, danger alert, Johnny Mac is rehabbing and ‘ready’ to be recalled on Sunday… tricky, tricky….can’t see them demoting Mercer… please Lord don’t do that…. also can’t see them cutting Clint (nor should they)….. they don’t need Johnny Mac in that scenario… I guess he could be recalled and JoshyJosh get sent back, but why?

    That said, seems cruel to have a vet rehab and then cut him rather than call him up.

    Again, if I were GM I would cut Johnny Mac and see if he’d stay on at AAA if he clears waivers as injury insurance…

  64. Jim S. says:

    How do you know it wasn’t a hit and run? If that were the case, Cutch certainly was hung out to dry because Inge doesn’t have the luxury of not swinging in that instance. I don’t know that for sure, but it sure looked that way. Why would Cutch, who just singled to lead off the innning, suddenly think there were 2 outs? And, if there were 2 outs, he would not have hesitated in the middle of it. Something weird happened.

  65. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1. Good analysis. Hadn’t thought of that.

  66. TK says:

    Craig Reynolds was developed by the Pirates and played 15 years in the majors.

  67. Thundercrack says:

    I floated the idea last night that Cutch may have thought he heard the ump call ‘ball’

    But it seemed to have sunk last night

  68. SJB says:

    Not mocking him. Words right from his mouth when questioned about having the best players out there after the loss to the Brewers when the clearly didn’t. And the very next day Contreras gets the convenient boot to the DL list with an equally convenient back injury .

    I’m a Hurdle fan, but the need he feels to BS everyone from time to time bothers me, like the press and the fans are his opponents somehow. Just be honest, or simply sidestep the question, don’t give me this “the 25 best men were out there” crap when you know that’s a boatload of you know what, just to appease the GM.

  69. cmat0829 says:

    good explanations, but sorry, he needs to run to the base. I agree he likely thought it was ball 4, but it is wrong to wait for ump.

    even if it was a hit and run, which again folks, makes no sense on a 3-2 count, he needs to run to the base.

    Even if the throw beats him by a mile, he needs to run to the base…OR i suppose stop and try to get into a rundown.

  70. Jim S. says:

    That is logical.

  71. buggee says:

    @ Playoffs

    Line 1: 100 on the UNDER
    Line 2: 50 on the OVER

    Frank Coonnelly (FC): “Now you be careful. Betting is not only illegal, it’s very addictive and habit-forming too.”
    Bob Nutting (BN): “Pshaw Francis. What’s habit-forming is constantly looking at my bank accounts to see how they grow.”
    FC: “Do you have any casinos, Mr. Nutting?”
    BN: –ignoring FC–hey Neal, there’s a really… er… well there’s just no other way to say it…”
    Neal huntington (NH): “I’m sorry Mr. Nutting?”
    FC: “Mr. Nutting, did you want this green-apple martini shaken sir?”
    BN: “Not now Francis, and please remove your nose from my rump. Neal?”
    NH: “Did you have a question about who our best 25 players are Mr. Nutting?”
    BN: “NO dammit! There’s a rather large man seated in my owner’s box. what the hells is going on here Neal? That’s MY seat!”
    NH, well Mr. Nutting, don’t you recall the promo we ran a couple weeks ago where one lucky member of the Pittsburgh media would win a seat in the owner’s box with you sir?”
    BN: “OMG! Is it that Dee-hawn Kov-vak-a-vick guy? I don’t like him.”
    NH: “No sir, that’s…”
    FC (peering over BN’s shoulder): “Man o man, that guy’s HUGE!”
    BN: “Step back Francis, you smell like a shot of Jaegermeister!”
    FC: “Sorry Mr. Nutting”
    NH: “As I was saying sir, the winner is Mark Madden!”
    BN: “That’s the guy who calls himself a ‘Super Genius’?”
    NH: “I believe so sir.”
    BN: “He appears to be eating constantly. Did we also give him an All-You-Can-Eat promotion?”
    NH: “No sir, but we were thinking of bringing him on our broadcast team for his rather singular perspective on things.”
    BN: “What the hell does that mean?”
    NH: “Well sir, he’s kind of rough around the edges.”
    BN: “Is he louder than that Hurdle guy?”
    NH: “I believe so sir.”
    BN: “Does Mario like him? If Mario likes him, we have to hire him. That’ll get Mario to increase his bid to buy the Pirates! Francis! Let’s all have a few fingers of Johnny Walker Blue and celebrate all the money mario is going to invest in the Pirates!”

    Thanks Playoffs!

  72. Arriba Wilver says:


  73. cmat0829 says:

    Please find any baseball reference anywhere that you hit and run on a 3-2 count. There won’t be any. That’s how I know. Ask Cutch, I think he’d tell you it was his mistake.

  74. Jim S. says:

    Sammy Khalifa feels left out, for some reason.

  75. TCB says:

    LIne 1 – 100 on the under

    Line 2 – 50 on the over.

  76. cmat0829 says:

    what is presumptious, in all due respect, is assuming any criticism of Cutch is because “he’s the big contract guy”. I love Cutch, so glad he’s a Pirate for many years, and I don’t give two dumps who makes what.

    It also doesn’t matter if hustling or playing the right way would make a difference in the outcome or not. We (and Bob Walk) have correctly chided the Brewers for not hustling, etc. and we/he is right.

  77. lad9 says:

    Shouldn’t there be a prize for last place too? (Maybe a Pittsburgh Spirit or Maulers hat or something). It isn’t easy picking that many wrong! I even look up stats on some of these lines, and I still am putting on a run to catch both of you…. :)

  78. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t know what you’re talking about. How about a quote. How talking about the best 25 players affects who happens to be in the lineup a particular night escapes me without more detail. Easy to call someone a liar.

  79. buggee says:

    I reside in my mind which is nowhere and everywhere never and always.

    Raise that shuttlecock y’all

  80. NMR says:

    Enjoy, JAL!

  81. buggee says:

    URK! Then I’ll be jonesing for your links!!!

  82. Jim S. says:

    Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I would not want to see JHay go if the alternative is John McDonald.

  83. lad9 says:

    Awesome Buggee! I have had to spend the day in Cleveland and that is the first time I smiled all day. (The second will be when I leave the city limits)

  84. Arriba Wilver says:

    Mercer’s in there tonight and we’re still b*#ching. Maybe DK is right? :-D

    DK: Yes. You’re all evil.

  85. Brandie says:

    Please Mr. Playoffs,

    May I have 75 on the under on line one and 75 on the over for line two. Thanks.

  86. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I look forward to the musical adaptation of what you just wrote.

  87. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Have a blast buddy!

  88. Dom says:

    Me neither!

  89. lad9 says:

    Will put 100 on both. Line 1 under, line 2 over. Thank you sir. Go Buccos!

  90. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s a funny post, tomp, whether I agree with it or not. :-)

  91. Arriba Wilver says:


  92. NMR says:

    Not arguing with your conclusion, but I also don’t see how the situation has changed at all since since John Mc went on the DL unless Mercer is THE starting shortstop and Barmes takes John Mc’s defensive replacement role.

    The guy without a spot (other than Harrison) is Brandon Inge. Brings absolutely nothing to the team that Mercer cannot do better.

  93. NMR says:

    Think about the role in which John Mc is used, Jim?

    Harrison would be a horrible replacement.

  94. cmat0829 says:

    I think it’s right to challenge the way Clint answered that question but understand what asking the question is inferring….


    1) Clint is stupid and he is misjudging who the best players available are
    2) Client has no control and has players shoved down his throat by the GM

    So a defensive answer, in the heat of a postgame conference after Contreras pitched like crap, is forgiveable.

    Earlier, maybe even a few days earlier, Clint answered more honestly, in that sometimes roster decisions are made for reasons beyond the 25-man….to optimize options and depth, etc. He also probably would answer that he is giving vets benefit of the doubt because of (1) they have a track record, have been through the dog days of contending before, might end up regressing to THEIR mean, display leadership in ways not in the box score, etc.

    My guess is that depending on your opinion of Hurdle he could have said anything short of “you are right, Contreras bites, can you please get Red-headed Geek to agree with me and cut his ass already” you’d find reason to criticize. If he parsed his answer, he’d be toeing the company line and kiss his GM’s ass… etc.

  95. TCB says:

    Have a great vacation. I just returned form vacation on Tuesday and it feels like I never left.

  96. Brandie says:

    Rafael Belliard also feels left out.

  97. Arriba Wilver says:

    Line #1—50 on the OVER

    Line #2—100 on the OVER

    Locke may have only 2 starts with 7 innings, but I’m going with the hot hand. (Famous last words-he’s doomed)

  98. Jim S. says:

    It may have been Cutch’s mistake, but are you saying you never hit and run on a 3-2 count? Everyone runs on 3-2 with 2 outs. Fast runners are generally sent on 3-2 counts with any number of outs. All you are adding at that point is trust that a guy like Inge will put the ball in play. He didn’t even swing at a fairly juicy pitch. Why could it not be a hit & run?

  99. Ermine says:

    #1 100 under

    #2 100 over


  100. cmat0829 says:

    Not to swim upstream against the angry, torch-carrying, ‘get Brandon Inge out of town’ MOB…. but consider:

    1) The Pirates are a YOUNG team with few players who know what it takes to be in a pennant race….
    2) Teams like the A’s and Tigers have raved about Inge’s presence and leadership and contribution to younger players
    3) He has versatility and can very adequately play 3B, 2B and RF.
    4) With such sporadic appearances, it is hard to hit for high average, etc and we have a small sample size.
    5) I don’t think he hits worse really than Neil Walker or Pedro against tough LHPs.
    6) He is not as hopeless as Matt Diaz, Lyle Overbay, etc.

    I get it… we can’t live with ourselves unless we have someone like Inge to light to torches for, but I think it is a little overblown if you ask me.

  101. Naje says:

    NMR…. run this through your very sharp noggin… what I’ve been harping on Alvarez about, well, it’s a whole team problem. What do you think? I’m not talking clutch stats here (whatever they are), I’m just talking about doing your job at the play with runners on base and, most importantly for those who are “run producers”, with RISP…

    From the site:
    “The Pirates rank last in the Majors in batting average with runners in scoring position (.214). The Cardinals are first at .333, and the Reds are ninth at .279. The teams are within three games of each other atop the NL Central.”

    With these numbers, aren’t the Bucs due to a reversion upwards towards a mean…any mean? (Not to be mean…)

  102. Arriba Wilver says:

    Three dumps? :-)

    Still doesn’t answer the question, with all due respect. I’m still looking for an answer, but so far 21’s makes the most sense.

  103. Jim S. says:

    I wasn’t avoiding criticism of Cutch. It just looked like his reaction was saying Inge was supposed to protect him and that it was not a normal steal attempt. Maybe I misread it, and Cutch was angry at the ump for the late call, or just at himself for thinking it was a ball 4 call and going into a trot.

  104. Jim S. says:

    Ok, but find me any player in the league who runs harder out of the box to 1b than Cutch consistently? Marte comes closest on the Bucs. I’m sure there are guys around the league who do the same, but no one runs harder that I see. So, it seems odd that he suddenly is taking it easy going to 2nd. But, as has been suggested, maybe Cutch was angry with himself or the slow calling ump.

  105. cmat0829 says:

    No doubt, you can send the runner on a 3-2 count, but hit and run implies that the hitter MUST SWING AT THE PITCH no matter WHERE IT IS to protect the runner. You would NOT want him to do so if the count is 3-2, if the pitch is way outside, you’d want him to take the pitch.

    So, the runner goes knowing that the hitter isnt obligated to swing…now, chances are, the hitter will swing at a strike, but the ump could always blow the call and you need to run all the way to the base just in case.

    So it is not a classic hit and run where the hitter swings no matter what.

  106. buggee says:

    I hope to have a transcript of a secret meeting between Inge and Hurdle tomorrow, with a couple of surprise visitors who interrupted the ‘conversation’ between CH and BI.

  107. Jim S. says:

    Brandie, that little dude could pick it at SS. If only he could hit better.

  108. An easy one to forget, though.

  109. I hope you do, too. Jandy will laugh her habit off.

  110. cmat0829 says:

    Guys, I think we can all agree that hit and run or not, Cutch should have run all out and slid into the base…we see it all the time, players look back so they can see WHERE the ball is put into play… if the hitter swings and misses, then they haul ass into 2nd to try to beat the throw. They don’t just stop. Ever.

    So Cutch is wrong regardless. Is Inge also wrong for not swinging at a strike? Yes, but that doesn’t make Cutch any less wrong. And it doesn matter that one makes a lot of $$ and one makes a little $$. I love Cutch. I love his hustle. But in this case he was wrong. That’s all. Doesn’t make my love for him any less.

  111. Jim S. says:

    He could honestly feel Barmes is a better player than Jordy right now. I don’t feel that way, but a lot of people actually do prefer Barmes’ glove and are willing to live with his weak stick. Doesn’t make Clint dishonest if he feels that way, right?

  112. NMR says:

    At the risk of being called a cherry picking objective sabremetrist, yes, I believe the Pirates batting average with RISP is bound to go up.

    The whole RISP argument, as I understand it, revolves around the assumption that it is not a specifically defined skill. That over enough of a sample size, a players ability to get a hit with a runner at second or 3rd is no different than his ability to get a hit without men on base or a runner on 1st.

    Pedro may not be the best example since he has a low BA to begin with, but the team as a whole SHOULD see their average come up. What I can’t tell you, nor can anyone else, is how long it will take to happen and how high it will go. There is still a very real chance that this team ends the year with a poor BA with RISP.

  113. Jim S. says:

    Could be a couple of days in some cases.

  114. Jim S. says:

    That’s how I am looking at it, NMR. Jordy starts to take 50%, then 67% of the starts at SS. Barmes is our back-up SS. Why John McD over JHay at that point? And, believe me, I gulp whenever I suggest keeping JHay. Certainly we can swing a very minor trade to get a better multi-position bench player than JHay. But, I think he has more value than McD as long as Clint and Jordy are manning SS.

  115. NMR says:

    In that case, I fully agree.

  116. Naje says:

    Thanks for the response… I don’t think the Bucs can sustain a 13-game-over-.500 pace without improving their BA w RISP at least to the .240 range.

  117. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t agree. If the ONLY thing you’re saying is Cutch should have slid no matter the situation, that wasn’t my question. What happened on the play?

  118. Jim S. says:

    I assume you mean the version of Lyle Overbay when he was a Buc? Certainly not this year’s version.

    I agree that Inge has performed adequately in the past. But, his OPS has been careening downward year after year, especially against RHP like tonight. He had a good power month or two last year. I just think there have to be better options than him and JHay on non-contenders. Eat a little salary, and give up next to nothing to trade for one.

  119. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sustain? You’re using “sustain?”


  120. Brandie says:

    My thoughts exactly. I remember watching him when I was a kid.

  121. Jim S. says:

    I like your question, Naje. My point this morning was precisely what you are saying. If our pitching performance is likely to decline, it may also be likely that our hitting performance improves. I can’t name one regular, outside of maybe Marte, who is hitting better than expected right now. I guess Snider/Tabata comes closest.

  122. JohninOshkosh says:


    When I get a chance tonight, I’ll try to change it to something that doesn’t appeal to your prurient (Duke word) interest.

  123. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, NMR. Facts help.

    ” Said Hurdle: ‘When we make moves it’s always about having our best 25 guys in the Major Leagues … Always.'”

    That’s clearly false.

  124. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’s even false based on other things he’s said himself about roster moves. I still think he’s basically honest, but that answer sure wasn’t.

  125. JD says:

    100 under line 1
    100 over line 2

    Thank you. Go Bucs!

  126. Jim S. says:

    True. I overlooked the obvious. We may have already developed our SS of the next 5 years. I actually like Jordy, and would love to see him take the position and make it his own for a half dozen years.

  127. stickyweb says:

    What about Chad Hermanso…oh, never mind.

  128. Bizrow says:

    Ditto, Dejan

  129. I’m with you on this one. Don’t see the need for the fuss.

    I mean this guy’s making $1.25M (about 3x league minimum).I think his defense is worth that alone, not to mention the role HE SHOULD BE in as a veteran backup.

    My gripe is how Hurdle is using him. He’s started 17/52 games with 71 total plate appearances. That is on pace for over 50 starts on the season which is more than I want to see him. Seems like Hurdle is forcing ABs and starts for this guy. Let him rest Pedro once a week, or spot Walker and be done with it.

    If you intend to play him more, that might be where you can look to bring in a better replacement player.

  130. Bizrow says:

    And you chose what Biz did ;-)

    I’m pulling for you in spite of that

  131. Bizrow says:

    Give me a state, of the Union that is, and I’ll add you ;-)

  132. stickyweb says:

    Yup, do you think CH finally realizes CB’s defense, which hasn’t been exceptional, isn’t worth the automatic out? And since his offense fell off a cliff since that hot week or 2, it Jordy time. Hopefully he can handle it on a daily basis.

  133. Bizrow says:

    That puts the confirmed lunatic locations at 360, plus buggee

  134. Bizrow says:

    Hope all is well

  135. stickyweb says:

    Playoffs, I’ll take 100 each on UNDER both lines 1 & 2. Thanks.

  136. blazer says:

    100 on the under for line 1.
    100 on the over for line 2.



  137. Bizrow says:

    + 1 to buggee and lad9

    To steal a phrase, I spent a week in Cleveland one day…

  138. Jim S. says:

    Just read this. Don’t accuse me of jinxing this team. I’m actually hesitant of the potential backlash. 74 teams in MLB history have started 33-20. Guess how many of them finished the season below .500?

  139. Thundercrack says:

    I wonder if Hurdle was going to sit Pedro tonight anyway.

    But it does beg the question: Why couldn’t Pedro wait for an off day or the off season to have his wisdom teeth removed?

  140. Ermine says:


  141. NMR says:

    Did you to pick .240 because that is what the teams overall batting average happens to be?

    Last year, the Pirates overall BA was .243. Their BA w/ RISP was .240.

  142. Ermine says:


  143. Arriba Wilver says:

    Because he was 0-20 with 15 strikeouts against tonight’s pitcher? :-)

  144. Jim S. says:

    Close. Only 5 finished below .500. So, we have a 93.2% chance of at least a .500 record – historically speaking.

  145. NMR says:

    and if you want to study this further, open seperate windows showing last years team BA rankings and team RISP rankings.

    The largest delta I found at a glance was +/- 18 points.

  146. JohninOshkosh says:

    I smell the making of a zany madcap, road trip buddy film.

    “Get your motor runnin’ Head out on the highway Lookin’ for adventure And whatever comes our way…”

  147. Jim S. says:

    0-20 & 15 whiffs? Clint probably said “Get that handled today, Bull!”

    We would have nailed Clint if he had started Pedro, and he went 0-4 with 4 whiffs and was not available off the bench vs a righty reliever late. No beef from me for sitting him tonight, even if he didn’t have the tooth thing.

    Maybe Clint did show a little “wisdom” here.

  148. Maybe they were impacted. That can be mighty uncomfortable. Pain meds help, but he’d be in slow motion. (slower than that 2nd to home last night).

    Sooner the better with those things.

  149. Keith says:

    #1: 100 on the over. Locked and loaded.
    #2: 100 on the under. Someone else does the damage.

  150. Keith says:

    Two starts in a row! Yea!

  151. Joey Mellons says:

    100 under line 1.
    100 over line 2.
    Lets go Bucs.

  152. theplanisworking says:

    I know this isnt Pirates related, but it shows the end of the world may be closer than we think…………….


  153. Keith says:

    But Barmes would be a pretty good one.:)

  154. Thundercrack says:

    Slow motion.

    Lucky, did you seem him round third and score last night…..
    Pretty close to slow motion.


  155. Ghost says:

    Makes sense. I’m guessing that unless those wisdom teeth were flaring up particularly badly, Pedor (Hey! That’s a typo, but I kinda like it as a new name for Pedro now that I see it!)… anyway, I’m thinking Pedor ran it by Clint first, before scheduling today’s procedure. I’ve had all four of my widoms removed over a span of about 15 years. The last one was less than a year ago. Dentist couldn’t do it. Took a maxillofacial surgeon. You don’t get one of those procedures just by dropping in.

  156. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    You have an outside chance at winning the overall point total for May.
    Well Done my friend!!

  157. Arriba Wilver says:

    Unfortunately, we’ve been making history lately. ;-)

  158. Ghost says:

    What the article you linked to didn’t explain was that this co-ed and her teammates were making money on the side and shilling for Snickers:

  159. radio wave says:

    At playoffs: I will take 50 on the under for the first line. I will take 75 on the over for the second line. Thank you.

  160. JaxBuc says:

    Please sir, may I have 50 shuttlecocks on the OVER for Line 2?

    Breakin’ out the lumber tonight!

  161. The Gunner says:

    that’s right, I forgot about Reynolds. He only had a cup of coffee with the Bucs; he played 38 games in 1975 & 1976. He had a pretty successful MLB career.

  162. The Gunner says:

    Joe Brown didn’t make many bad trades but, the Groat trade kinda stunk. At least, we got about 5 years or so out of Don Cardwell, a somewhat decent jouneyman starting pitcher.

    But Julio Gotay never panned out.

  163. Dadtackular says:

    line 1 under 100
    line 2 over 100

  164. theplanisworking says:

    Mr Slutspel ………

    Jag vill att följande:

    Linje 1 100 på undersidan.
    Linje 2 100 på oversidan.


    Thats Swedish for GO BUCS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

  165. Brandie says:

    Thank you for the fascinating trip through your mind.

  166. Karen22 says:

    100 – OVER for each.

  167. Brandie says:

    Could have had abscessed wisdom teeth that had gone removed. I had all four removed at once…all impacted…gave me killer headaches…no joke.

  168. Brandie says:

    Gone should be to be.

  169. Brandie says:

    Absolutely some petty bull snot.

  170. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Brandie!!!!
    You are correct. Just unreal.

  171. theplanisworking says:

    Ghost, I just dont know where you get this stuff!!!

  172. Bizrow says:


    Win now

    I’m hoping NH is ready for it

    This club, right now, has some magic to it

    Never felt that before so early in the season, well, since 92

  173. Bizrow says:

    1960, 35 years since a World Series

    The Bucs won game after game late.

    I don’t know what their WHAP was, their THWAP was, or all those stats stuff

    I think something special is happening


    Just don’t bet on what I do in Playoffs stuff

    Beat Em Bucs

  174. Jason81 says:

    Time to see if I can continue my regression tonight. :)

    100 on the UNDER for Line 1

    100 on the OVER for Line 2

  175. cherokee23 says:

    100 under both

  176. theplanisworking says:

    Biz, I would like to give a THWAP to a few people, lol. ;)

    Thank you for the always-updated list of looney-ticks.

    Hippos have a difficult time riding………. too big for the car………… but I will look for a bigger vehicle. :)

  177. Kevin says:

    Noticed there no comments that this Fister guys hit(11) more people than walked(10) them.

  178. Bizrow says:

    + 1

  179. Bob Hasis says:

    I will tell you this; Elroy Face was the closer, with help from lanky Fred Green – a lefty.

    It was very common for Face to enter the game in the eighth in an attempt to save it, give up the tying or lead run, only to have the Pirates retake the lead in our half of the eighth (or ninth) and he would get the win.

    This was especially true in 1959, when Face started the season 18-0 (that’s right 18-0) and eventually finished 18-1 I believe. In 1960 he didn’t have those kind of stats, but yes as you indicate we won it all, with similar good fortune. There were other relief pitchers who contributed for sure, but Face was the face of our bullpen – pun intended.

  180. Bizrow says:

    Thank you, I enjoy your posts

    Get outta the pond, get back to where you belong

    I worry about you, my friend

    Just sayin if you ever want to talk

    Biz ;-)

  181. JRay3 says:

    Your timing was pretty good as Walker gets drilled in his first AB.

  182. KenKopp says:

    And he just hit Neil. Good call Kevin.

  183. Brandie says:

    Hope it’s wonderful in the Pond, Hipposter. :-)

  184. Brandie says:


    Greetings to you. Wishing you awesome vibes.

  185. Brandie says:

    Cutch is slumping. Just shows how long the season is.

  186. Thundercrack says:

    I am at the game. Even though they don’t outnumber Pirates fans, it sound like there are a lot of Tigers fans here. They are loud.

    Look for me on TV. I am the guy with the sign that says: “I am praying for sustaining”

    DK: I hope it rains on you.

  187. Bizrow says:

    Elroy is still ticked, he would have made gazillions if he was born 40 years later.

    I met him one time at a Bob Prince Charity Bowling event, he was great there.

    My son went thru some tough stuff, injury wise, he had to bowl with his left hand

    They gave him a trophy

    Don’t remember all that were there, but they all spent time with Chris

    Sorry for the babble, but it was just in response to a comment on Mr Face

  188. Bizrow says:

    Just bring home a win

    Collecting them is what its all about right now ;-)

  189. Ed says:

    Greetings from Sec 108. Nice night and nice crowd tonight!

  190. Bizrow says:

    It would be too easy, me and Jandy would hands down win.

    Hey, many miles to go ;-)

  191. Bizrow says:

    Bring home a win

  192. JRay3 says:

    Enjoy the game!

  193. Bizrow says:

    Cream rises to the top

    He’ll be fine

  194. JRay3 says:

    Looks like a great night to be out at the ballpark, now let’s get the W

  195. He is slumping some, but he has also been hitting rockets right at people, so if he can get some of those to just fall in, he is good to go. I seem to recall this happening earlier in the season, and he started having some fall in or over the fence. He was 3 for 3 against Fister before that K. Would have helped if he swung at the other two balls before swinging at a ball outside.

  196. Bring us a win Thunder!!!!

  197. Bring it home as well, Ed! Awesome night as usual at the ballyard.

  198. Another one of those games tonight. Hopefully the Bucs get out of that K binge they have been in this series.

  199. theplanisworking says:

    I cant read, I will just enjoy the ride.
    Bring home a win!

  200. Bob Hasis says:

    He was (is) a carpenter by trade, and striding in from the pen he resembled a miniature bulldog. His fork ball was virtually unhittable most of the time

  201. theplanisworking says:

    Is that near the Bowtie Bar? ;)
    Bring home a win!

  202. theplanisworking says:

    Its swimmingly well! ;)

  203. Brandie says:

    Gotcha…just something he has to play through!

  204. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks Biz.

    I just might do that.

  205. Milo Hamilton says:

    So the record is 20 ?

  206. JRay3 says:

    Seven punch outs in the first three innings for Fister, ouch. Puts pressure on Locke to keep putting up zeroes.

  207. Ump just took one to you know where.

  208. Brandie says:

    Glad to hear it. I am with you…Hoping the Buccos can keep the Jolly Roger raised. Cannot wait for the Pens and your spot on insights…

    By the way…Doug Fister cannot be this good. It’s time to tag him for some runs.

  209. JRay3 says:

    Well if Locke can go about 33 innings tonight he has a chance to take a crack at it.

  210. Milo Hamilton says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzz 8.

  211. theplanisworking says:

    Want me to sit on him?? ;)

  212. JRay3 says:

    That should not have been a double, Cutch nonchalantly played that.

  213. pattonbb says:

    Lazy throw by Cutch there. No way Cabrera should be able to stretch that into 2. I can out run him.

  214. KenKopp says:

    Cabrera is a darn good hitter. And ballplayer.

  215. 14, 15, 11, and now at 7 for the series. 47 Ks in 90 outs so far for 52% of the outs as not hitting the ball.

  216. Cutch and Cabrera have something going on as they have been kidding around on the field as play is going on, so Cabrera was daring Cutch to throw him out.

  217. JRay3 says:

    Hard to believe he has a serious shot at becoming a back to back triple crown hitter. We are witnessing a great ballplayer.

  218. KenKopp says:

    Cutch got lazy on Carera’s double. Watch his at bat this inning. I bet he kills it.

  219. I did. And I wondered why Brown was saying he’d score when it wasn’t a given. The throw was high and Pedro had a nice slide or he might have been toast.

    Of course, I saw it on the highlights, so it took the thrill out of it so to speak.

  220. JRay3 says:

    Can’t wait to move onto some Reds pitching, I’ve seen enough of this Tiger staff.

  221. Walker with yet another first hit for the team! Come on Cutch!!

  222. Milo Hamilton says:

    it is unbelievable to me how many pitches out of the strike zone they swing at and miss before they have 2 strikes on them.

  223. theplanisworking says:

    Nice hit by Cutch.
    He has been smacking the ball lately……….. for out.
    Lets hope this is the beginning of a good streak.

  224. That might have been a DP ball if Neil doesn’t get thrown out. Come on Jonesy!!

  225. Ed says:

    Base hit at least.

    Surrounded by Tigers fans and an extreme loudmouth that just got talked to by security LOL

  226. Nice knock Jonesy. 1st and third now get someone or all of them in!!

  227. theplanisworking says:

    Nice hit by Jones.
    Cutch looked like a man possessed running from 1st to 3rd. :)

  228. Milo Hamilton says:

    In his last 420 AB’s going back to last year, he’s hitting a rather pedestrian .271 (114-420).

  229. JRay3 says:

    Nice AB by Jones, fighting off pitches and finally pokes one through a hole, chance to get on the board here.

  230. Locke is giving Fister the death look in the dugout! Hillarious!

  231. theplanisworking says:

    Why ruin a perfectly good hopeful story with facts??? ;)

  232. K number 8 on a BALL WAAAYYY outside.

  233. Brandie says:

    Then Jandy could rub it in for good measure with her size 9 sides.

  234. Brandie says:

    Sides should be wides.

  235. Chuck H says:

    That pitch Martin struck out on, he couldn’t have hit it with a bed slat!!!

  236. Brandie says:

    Locke wants to give Foster The Five Foster Death Punch.

  237. Thundercrack says:

    Here at PNC Park I wish they would enforce the rule: you can’t return to your seat unless it is between at-bats.

    And I really like beer, but it seems like there are always two vendors in each row at all times

  238. Brandie says:

    Foster should be Fister, auto correct.

  239. Thundercrack says:

    The Tigers do not have a lot of team speed

  240. theplanisworking says:

    You know, Snider has turned into a pretty good defensive fielder.
    He plays the wall in RF well, and has a pretty good arm.

  241. JohninOshkosh says:

    I don’t think this tie can be sustained.

  242. theplanisworking says:

    Ok, Jandy disease. :)

  243. That is why you don’t pussyfoot around with a pitcher hitting. You go after him and if he doesn’t know how to hit and is trying to bunt, throw curveballs – hard to bunt and keep fair.

  244. Brandie says:

    Yes, for want if the d’uh key.

  245. Instead he hits a weak hit through the left side hole and bases loaded and one out.

  246. Brandie says:

    Dead duck at the plate…WOW!!!!!!

  247. Brandie says:

    Snider is dripping with defense.

  248. theplanisworking says:

    ………or the d’uh Hippo…………..

  249. Great ups for Inge to get that second out.

  250. theplanisworking says:

    Dead Duck?????

    DINNER !!!!!!!!!!! ;)

  251. theplanisworking says:

    Good stuff by Locke.
    4 straight hits, and they didnt score!

    Now, how bout some runs?

    DK: Some of the stuff that’s happening with this team borders on the surreal.

  252. Awesome getting out of that jam!! Get the bats going again and get him some runs. He is being mentored by AJ, so let’s not give him AJ’s run support. His pitch count is up, so he may only have one more inning left at this rate.

  253. They did us one better. We had three hits and didn’t score – thanks to Neil getting thrown out at second.

  254. Brandie says:

    Barbecued it Kentucky Fried?

  255. theplanisworking says:

    Slow roasted in herbs and butter.
    Mmmmmmmmmmm….. duck!!

  256. Milo Hamilton says:

    Love how the TV guys continually point out all the great athletic feats Brandon Inge can accomplish. Like dunking a basketball and kicking a 50 yard field goal. Too bad hitting a baseball isn’t one of them.

  257. Cleveland up by a touchdown on the Reds!! Keep it up.

  258. He is the new coming of Chuck Norris.

  259. Milo Hamilton says:

    This will be the last inning for Locke.

  260. theplanisworking says:

    Cleveland is so hot, their river will catch on fire.

    Oh wait…………

  261. JohninOshkosh says:

    Did I see Kool and the Gang is going to be in the house Saturday Night ?

    This just in: Kool and the Gang still exists.

    Wonder if they will play “Celebration” ?

  262. Milo Hamilton says:

    Over and over and over again. The Rays get Martina McBride & we get Kool and the Gang. I’ll leave like I always do. Gotta catch the 3rd period.

  263. Bob Hasis says:


  264. Brandie says:

    Dripping with fatty goodness… Wasn’t Fatty Goodness a comedian a long time ago? Wait a minute…That was Fatty Arbuckle. Never mind.

  265. Milo Hamilton says:

    Is that Colin Dunlap coaching the Pacers ?

  266. theplanisworking says:

    I did not know Samoans played baseball.

    I did know they played football.

    And did Professional Wrestling.

  267. theplanisworking says:

    Can we work out a switch?

  268. Milo Hamilton says:

    Pitch count. No guess work involved anymore.

  269. JohninOshkosh says:

    I see the Blues Travelers are also on the summer card. Don’t be alarmed, that smell in the ballpark is not burning leaves.

    Oh, I can’t talk. My daughter talked me into buying tickets to someone named Bridgit Mendler. One of the hardest things as a parent is the day you realize your kids have no interest in the music you like.

  270. Brandie says:

    Agree with DK…very Twilight Zone.

  271. theplanisworking says:


    Good one.

    So I guess I am Hippo Arbuckle?? ;)

  272. Brandie says:

    Kool and The Gang was the first record I ever owned as a child. The song was Ooh LA LA LA…Let’s Go Dancing. What was I thinking?

  273. I’m headed to the last Saturday game of the season and get the honor of hearing — Neon Trees? What the…

  274. Brandie says:

    Nah…You are Sir Hippoton J. Planisworking, The First.

  275. JohninOshkosh says:

    If Bill Shatner says there are gremlins outside of PNC-you better believe him.

  276. theplanisworking says:

    ……and hopefully the last !!! ;)

  277. Too Early Neil! Straighten the next one out and get it over the fence!

  278. 21sthebest says:


  279. Milo Hamilton says:

    That picture of Blass they’re showing. Free at ARCO gas stations with the purchase of 8 gallons of gas. 1971. Gas was about 35 cents a gallon.

  280. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’ve got you beat. Mine was Paper Lace’s “Billy Don’t be a hero.” A 45 record (!) I would play over and over again on a Mickey Mouse record player. I think I was 8 or 9 years old.

  281. Jones swings at Ball 3 to K while Cutch had the perfect pitch to steal on.

  282. Brandie says:

    The World Series…The Final Frontier…These are the Voyages of the Fighting Clint Hurdles…Their over 20 year mission…to win more than 65 baseball games, to develop shortstops and a solid front office, to boldly go where no Pirate team has gone in over 20 years…

  283. theplanisworking says:

    Worse yet……………
    Terry Jacks, Seasons in the Sun.


  284. Brandie says:

    I was about 8 or 9 years old.

  285. Brandie says:

    We had joy, we had fun…Yoi and Double Yoi!

  286. JohninOshkosh says:

    The winner! Probably the worst song in the history of mankind.

  287. theplanisworking says:

    Scary !!!

  288. theplanisworking says:

    I dont know if I should accept being the winner, or go drown myself in the Pond. :(

  289. Brandie says:

    Yes it is, just not maple or sycamore leaves.

  290. JohninOshkosh says:

    What will the pretty people do if the Miami Heat and LA Kings don’t make the finals ?

  291. Lead off walk again. Hopefully they can get out of this one too. DP Ball would be nice!

  292. Brandie says:

    No, that would belong to The Crash Test Dummies, circa 1993. The song is “Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm”. Absolutely horrible.

  293. Lad9 says:

    I thought so. I remember my dad bringing them home. There was a whole series of them. All part of the Red Ball service I think!

  294. JRay3 says:

    The Houdini act this team is pulling tonight would make David Copperfield very jealous.

  295. NICE!!!! 0-0 still. Come on BATS!!!

  296. theplanisworking says:

    We traded for Bautista????????????????? ;)

  297. Unless there was a gas war. Then it was down in the 20’s.

    Not the gas wars Drew talks about, either. :)

  298. Brandie says:

    Why are you talking about Girl Scout Cookies? :-)

  299. JohninOshkosh says:


  300. JRay3 says:

    The Bucs do have knack for the 1-0 wins of late, I’d take another.

  301. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Spelling Bee in on ESPN. Great flip to between innings. Twitching little freaks.

  302. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just be glad it wasn’t the blue ball service.

  303. 11 Ks now for Fister. and a 4th straight game with double digit Ks. HIT THE BALL!!!

  304. theplanisworking says:

    Leave his poodle out of this!

  305. theplanisworking says:

    + many

  306. Funny. I chuckle!

  307. He said the van to Ottawa was the gas wagon.

  308. Snider didn’t retag second, so we may have gotten a call there.

  309. theplanisworking says:

    Actually Brandie, I liked that “song”.
    Lots of humming.

  310. 21sthebest says:

    And he knew it.

  311. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, yeah, the VW Bus!

  312. theplanisworking says:

    He should be ashamed……….

  313. Arriba Wilver says:

    The smart move would have been to sit tight. But that’s no fun, and I’m not that smart. :-)

  314. Thundercrack says:

    Fister with 115 pitches.

    Isn’t he tired yet?!?!

  315. JohninOshkosh says:


  316. Arriba Wilver says:


  317. Drew71 says:

    Just back from an afternoon of golf and an evening of telling lies about our golf games.

    I won’t give a weather report.

    I don’t need to.

  318. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1, and a shout out to DK for his response, too.

  319. Lad9 says:

    I am sure the one kid is spelling over his head and I am looking for some R-E-G-R-E-S-S-I-O-N

  320. Rally cap is on again! Come on JHay!

  321. theplanisworking says:

    Ha! :)

  322. Arriba Wilver says:

    It was 88 here today, smart guy.

  323. JHay starting it off with a single to right – going with the pitch.

  324. Arriba Wilver says:

    He will be by July.

  325. JRay3 says:

    Nice piece of two strike hitting by JHay to get aboard, bunted over to second, time to cash in.

  326. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m in.

  327. theplanisworking says:

    Did your poodle golf too?

  328. Drew71 says:

    Which makes us even.

    IF you golfed.

  329. Arriba Wilver says:


  330. Arriba Wilver says:

    He’s made a great career out of chewing the scenery.

  331. theplanisworking says:

    Cutch was robbed !

  332. Cabrera couldn’t be guarding the line there? If he is that hit goes through, but nice play.

  333. KenKopp says:

    Go Bucs, If you are any kind of a baseball fan ya gotta apreciate Cabrera.

  334. 8-9-1 for them; 4-5-6 for us this inning.

  335. Arriba Wilver says:

    Here’s where I have a beef with my man Clint. I was at his first Piratefest, and he literally mocked how many strikeouts the 2010 team had. And it’s only gotten worse. That’s on him.

  336. pattonbb says:

    Cabrera might be the best player alive. And I’m usually the guy that argues with anyone who throws that title around.

  337. florida steeler says:

    McCutcheon needs to start stepping up at clutch time.

  338. Drew71 says:

    I’ll take it from ANY of them, FL Steoler

  339. Thundercrack says:

    Mercer looks like he can make the routine play just fine.

  340. Here we go boys! Time to end this thing!

  341. florida steeler says:


  342. JRay3 says:

    Another nine shutout innings turned in by the pitching staff, get them one run…one good swing of the bat.

  343. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is the matchup I was looking for. Coke vs. Gaby.

  344. JRay3 says:

    How about Gaby?

  345. OK, Gaby is due too.

  346. Milo Hamilton says:

    Can this be done without a homerun ?

  347. Take advantage of the error, now!

  348. Thundercrack says:

    I guess that’s not an error?

  349. They called it a hit, but that was an error with a catcher running.

  350. 13 Ks for the Bucs batters now.

  351. Arriba Wilver says:

    What hat do you have on? I think I saw you.

  352. Reds lose, but the Cards are winning 2-0 again in the 4th.

  353. Thundercrack says:

    They show Melancon warming up

    Me: Uh-oh

    Mrs TC: He’s going to be tired.

    Really happened

  354. Sisyphus says:

    I’m not sure about this, but my impression is that Cutch thought that the ump had called a foul tip. Could be wrong, though.

  355. Thundercrack says:


    They did show the row in front of us on the big screen

  356. Sisyphus says:

    You are obviously forgetting about Sammy Khalifa.

  357. Thundercrack says:


  358. JohninOshkosh says:

    8 measly pitches!

  359. 21sthebest says:

    8 pitch inning.

    Thank God.

  360. We got them mesmerized.

  361. Milo Hamilton says:

    Only 8 pitches. Is it true they prescribed bed rest for Grilli today ?

  362. JRay3 says:

    The Pirates pitching staff has made Cabrera look pretty regular this series. Melancon only needs eight pitches to get through the Tigers middle of lineup including Cabrera and Fielder.

    Someone with a stock be the hero.

  363. Bob Hasis says:

    Mercer needs to make his new title official

  364. Arriba Wilver says:

    I really love how Melancon plays his position defensively. He’s ALWAYS spot on.

  365. Mikey coming up!! How about one Fort!!

  366. Marte is way overdue.

  367. Arriba Wilver says:

    Is there somebody close with a red T-shirt?

  368. He has been swinging at too many balls out of the zone recently, and I think that has lead to his slide in BA.

  369. Guess what — Walker leads off the bottom of the 11th!!

  370. Milo Hamilton says:

    Here comes Bryan Morris to walk somebody.

  371. Thundercrack says:


  372. Clean inning. How about a run!!

  373. 21sthebest says:

    7 pitch inning.

  374. JRay3 says:

    Morris tells Melancon, anything you can do, I can do better…seven pitches and to Bottom of 11 we go.

    Walker did win it for the Bucs in 11 the other night.

  375. Thundercrack says:

    NH knows how to build bullpens

    Talk amongs yourselves.

  376. Sisyphus says:

    Same thing they’ll do if the Heat and Kings do make the playoffs.

    Go hang out on the beach.

  377. Ed says:

    Dejan Vu!

  378. Milo Hamilton says:

    Flashbacks to the Houston game.

  379. Lad9 says:

    Just said the same thing to my son. +1

  380. Arriba Wilver says:


  381. Thundercrack says:

    RISP !

  382. Two on for Gaby with no out. Base knock should win it.

  383. pattonbb says:

    Thank you Clint for not putting the bunt on.

  384. Lad9 says:

    Good call by Leyva. Do it Russell!

  385. Good call to not send him – too shallow. Deep fly wins it Martin!!

  386. Milo Hamilton says:

    I was worried for Bob Hasis’ health for a minute there.

  387. I’ll take a walk too.

  388. pattonbb says:


    just another ho-hum, boring Pirates win.

  389. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not you, then. Maybe it’s DK in disguise.

  390. Just missed a granny!! Bucs Win and raise that beautiful Jolly Roger!!! Hello second place.

  391. JRay3 says:

    Behind the stellar pitching of Locke, Mazzaro, Watson, Wilson, Melancon and Morris and an 11th inning run thanks to a Russell Martin GW RBI.the Bucs earn the two game sweep of the Tigers and take three of four with a 1-0 win in 11 and there was noooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Bucs improve to a season best 14 above .500 at 34-20, 19-8 in May and move into second in the Central. That is now four 1-0 wins in last 12. The Pirates close out the home stand beginning tomorrow when the Reds invade Pittsburgh with Wandy Rodriguez taking the hill for the Bucs.

    Inredible….Let’s Go Bucs.

  392. Lad9 says:

    Raise it! Wow what a series between -yes I will say it – TWO of the best teams in baseball.

  393. theplanisworking says:

    My fat ass is too tired to Raise the Jolly Hippo……………

    but a great gutty win again.

    Good night.

  394. Bob Hasis says:

    Thanks but why?

  395. Arriba Wilver says:

    How many 4 game series with losing game 1 and winning the rest is this, now?

  396. Bob Hasis says:

    I forgot – you meant Leyva

  397. Tom P. says:

    In the last 31 innings, the Tigers scored in one of them. That’s good work by the pitching staff, at any level, let alone a first place team that had (I think) 7 hitters over .300 in the lineup on Monday.

  398. Brandie says:

    Raise it High!

  399. Bob Hasis says:

    That was no Zambelli – that was me going off

  400. JRay3 says:

    By my count this is the fifth- Braves, Phillies, Mets, Brewers and Tigers.

  401. KenKopp says:

    Lunnie’s are you having fun watching this stuff,


  402. Thundercrack says:

    We just took 3 straight from the Tigers.

    I don’t want to hear about line combinations or power play units


  403. Bob Hasis says:

    Great observation

  404. Arriba Wilver says:


  405. Arriba Wilver says:

    How ’bout them Stillers?

  406. JD says:

    Good one OshKosh.

  407. JD says:

    Just saw this great twitter to DK:

    @MDFitness1975: @Dejan_Kovacevic DK, I’m truly feelin for u man, figures the year u divorce the Bucs (not that I blame u), u miss the enjoyment of this ride

  408. Thundercrack says:

    Just heard Grilli do a commercial for mattresses

    Tired ?

  409. Arriba Wilver says:

    I know it’s got to be hard to come up with relevant questions to ask the manager after a game. But the first question was “how important was Travis Snider’s throw to the plate [in the 5th?].” Uhhh, if he hadn’t made the throw the Pirates would have lost 1-0 in 9 innings.
    Pretty important. (I’ll bet lots of Penguins know who Snider is—they’re sports guys).

  410. Naje says:

    Not only that, Snider’s from the upper part of the West Coast… near Canada… those guys SHOULD know him, eh?

  411. Ermine says:

    He played in Toronto also

  412. Ghost says:

    I think a lot of Penguins are now finding out who Snider is. The kid is good at slipping under the radar, though. I saw him play several times when the Blue Jays had him in Las Vegas, and yet I can’t remember a thing about him except that his name was in the lineup.

  413. Arriba Wilver says:


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