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Final: Reds 6, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (34-20) vs. Cincinnati Reds (33-21)

Starters: LHP Wandy Rodriguez vs. RHP Johnny Cueto

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Travis Snider, RF
  6. Michael McKenry, C
  7. Brandon Inge, 3B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Rodriguez, LHP

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel is on the beat.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and more, including his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the top four columnists in the country -- highest circulation category -- by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the top three columnists in the country by the National Headliners Awards. For 2013, he was named top columnist in the state by the Keystone Awards and second-place by the Pennsylvania AP Managing Editors.


  1. GO BUCS!!!!

    Wasnt Cueto the punk that throws at people? Involved in the brawl with the Cardinals in 2011? I say we just beat these guys to a pulp. And Dusty Baker is bad for the game, with his 1960′s style of beanballs and vigilante justice. But what do I know?

    Cannot wait for tomorrow night.

    • Are you going to the game or talking about the Pens?

    • Baker is definitely a head-hunting manager in my book.

      • He orders his players to head-hunt, then defends them (and the head-hunting), then gets defensive and attacks other teams, the media, or just says “no big deal”.

        The Pirates blew a golden opportunity to send a message to that officious jerk last year when Chapman beaned Cutch. And, as long as other teams let him get away with that type of stuff, he will keep doing it. Quite sad.

        • I agree….And the worst part is that his tactics worked last year.

          • Like I said, they will always work until someone stops being so cowardly, and retaliates against that team.

          • Let’s stay in reality. Beanballs had nothing to do with Karstens’ removal from the rotation, Jeff Locke’s putrid September, James McDonald’s 2nd half, or much of anything else. McKenry, Barajas, Walker…any number of guys had started their 2nd half declines well before the beanball that shall live in infamy.

            • Hello?

              I was talking about the Reds, beanballs, and retaliating against them. Not once did I say it affected the Pirates collapse in any way, shape or form. All I referenced the Pirates was that they blew a chance to stand up to the bully.

              Lets stay in reality? I am. Judging by your post here, I would suggest you follow your own words. Sheesh.

              If you want, I will state what I feel happened to foster the collapse last year. But that, I feel is for another time.

              • I guess I still don’t get it.

                What you are telling me I think, is that you believe a retaliatory beanball (or beanballs by many teams) would have altered Cincinnati’s division title run?

                Baker may in fact be a jerk, but I don’t see the “golden opportunity” the Pirates had to halt him or Cincinnati in their tracks. He’d still have his players throw at other players I think, probably even still at Cutch if he feels the situation is right for it.

              • I think Daq did, though.

              • Nobody was implying that “the season was lost” because of the bean balls with the Reds.
                But….It had a definite effect on “at least” one or more games with the Reds.

              • No, a beanball by the Pirates wouldnt have stopped the Reds division title run. What it would have done is stopped the constant beanballs, and throwing at other teams players heads, as the Reds constantly do.

                The reason the Reds do it so often, is that no one retaliates. The only team I can remember standing up to the Reds, is the 2011 Cardinals, and that worked out well for them.

              • “I agree….And the worst part is that his tactics worked last year.” This is what I was referring to. No big deal, just thought plan’s comment required the clarification.

              • Thanks AW.

                Hippos need ALL the help they can get, especially this one……….

      • Just punch him in the face and call it a Mulligan.

        hoist up that there Jolly shuttlecock!

    • What exactly happened? Did they head hunt Swisher?

    • Funniest thing ever was Dusty Baker eating ribs in the Cubs dugout during a game. Had the white styrofoam box and all. A man’s gotta eat, I guess.

  2. When d’Arnaud comes off the DL the Pirates will have 41 men on their 40-man roster. Of course a corresponding move will have to be made. Do we say goodbye to old man McDonald, and pardon the pun, time to buy a farm? eieio

    • D’Arnaud has been reinstated. No corresponding move yet made.

    • Aren’t both McDonalds on the 15 day DL?

      • 15 day DLs do NOT affect the 40-man roster, only the 25-man active roster. So JMacs on the DL do not help the 41 for 40 issue raised by Chase’s reinstatement.

        They could move JMac(pitcher) to 60day DL and that would solve it…. or they could dump JMac (aged infielder) YES PLEASE.

    • I’d say it’s pretty easy. Just remove d’Arnaud.

      • That was easy….

      • Why him over john mcdonald? If feel that D’Nrnaud might have some future when Mcdonald really has none.

        • 1. McDonald can catch the ball.

          2. 26 yo oft-injured, light hitting, average-at-best shortstops are not in high demand. Chase could be taken off the 40-man and almost certainly go unclaimed.

        • Dom,

          I guess I don’t buy into the d’Arnaud future. He’s hurt too much. That said, if the option the Pirates have in front of them is Chase in AAA or Old McDonald in MLB (with Mercer going back to AAA), then my choice would Chase in AAA, Mercer in MLB.

          I do agree with NMR though that Chase likely goes unclaimed.

      • I think it may be a little more complicated than that. The “hated” P2 has said d’Arnaud is insurance so they can get rid of John McDonald as a defensive backup. Of course, they’re wrong.

        • I think Smizik referred to this as PSS. Prospect Separation Syndrome.

          d’Arnaud can’t back up anything if he’s on the DL. That’s my biggest problem with him. Ryan Doumit syndrome.

  3. did they send JHay down and recall Presley?

  4. Presley is an improvement over Harrison at the plate, but look what Nate McClouth is doing for Baltimore. Wish we had him back. Now, I think we have to score some more runs against the Reds, because, although the Tigers have a super hitting team, our pitchers were able to keep them under control. We got just enough runs to win 3 out of 4.
    The Reds seem to hit when it counts, and Cueto is tough on our Buccos. GO, BUCS!!!

    • I think McLouth is hitting to all fields better than he ever has but I’d still be curious to see what happens in the second half maybe after the book on him gets pit together better.

    • It wasn’t working for Nate here. I’m glad he’s doing well over there, but he was a steaming pile of rice last year or two years ago, whenever that was.

      • Yeah, McLouth needed the popular “change of scenery” and the reminder that he could be looking for a new, lower paying career in a bad economy to get his career back in order. To his credit, he seems to have matured (a la Brandon Moss) just in time. Don’t put me in the “I love me some Alex Presley” category, but I don’t see that he is all that different from Nate Mc – just a few years younger. Maybe he has matured to the point where he can be a solid 4th OF now.

    • The blog should be sponsored by whomever makes and markets either YOYOs or Boomerangs… good revenue opportunity, DK!

      2011 blog…”McLouth is a bum” “McSuck” “Another NH disaster” 2013 blog : “we should get McLouth back , he is awesome”.

      LeBron James doesn’t turn on a dime any better than many of us bloggers.

      What do you say about Brandon Moss? he’d look good in RF, wouldn’t he??

      • Leave them both where they are. They’re successful and happy.

        (Doris Day theme playing in the background)

      • I have no problem sending Snider out to RF on a consistent basis.
        His defense, for one, is light years ahead of Moss’s.

        Moss maybe a better long ball hitter, but i like the “grit” that Snider displays, on a daily basis.
        Now, if they can just get rid of Inge, replace him with Harrison or Chase, or even De Jesus, make Barmes the backup to Mercer, this team may have a clue what the “best 25″ roster really means.

        • Moss? What team are you following?

          • “What do you say about Brandon Moss? he’d look good in RF, wouldn’t he”?

            I was responding to the comment , found above(if you care to look) that CMAT made.

            I am a Pirate fan since 1971, in response to your question.
            I know Moss plays for Oakland, and played for the Phillies after getting dumped by the Pirates.
            I do follow ALL teams, but i am only loyal to 1.

            • I am not now, and never have, questioned your bona fides as a Pirate fan. I find stuff like that distasteful. We all approach it in our own way. Even the blogmaster.

        • Tomp, even the “i have no problem sending Snider out to RF on a regular basis” should be printed on a decal on a yo-yo. I’d say less than 10% of the blog felt that at beginning of year.

          • Wonder what the opinion of the 90% was of Locke, Liriano,Gomez, Melancon, and Grilli, Marte, and Martin, were before the season started.

            You know what they say about opinions being compared to something else, right?.

      • In fairness, their careers literally did turn on a dime. Who could have predicted they would do such incredible about faces?

  5. Regarding the 40 man, don’t we have some marginal prospect stashed on it that can be removed? I’ll go check

  6. 68 Vic Black
    34 A.J. Burnett
    52 Jose Contreras
    30 Jeanmar Gomez
    39 Jason Grilli
    48 Jared Hughes
    36 Phil Irwin
    27 Jeff Karstens 60-day DL *
    47 Francisco Liriano
    49 Jeff Locke
    32 Vin Mazzaro
    53 James McDonald 15-day DL *
    38 Kyle McPherson
    35 Mark Melancon
    29 Bryan Morris
    50 Charlie Morton 15-day DL
    45 Andy Oliver
    72 Stolmy Pimentel
    51 Wandy Rodriguez
    44 Tony Watson
    61 Duke Welker
    37 Justin Wilson
    57 Mike Zagurski
    # Catchers
    55 Russell Martin
    19 Michael McKenry
    59 Tony Sanchez
    # Infielders
    24 Pedro Alvarez
    12 Clint Barmes
    15 Chase d’Arnaud *
    5 Josh Harrison *
    2 Brandon Inge
    46 Garrett Jones
    17 John McDonald 15-day DL *
    10 Jordy Mercer
    14 Gaby Sanchez
    18 Neil Walker
    # Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
    6 Starling Marte
    22 Andrew McCutchen
    7 Alex Presley
    17 Jerry Sands *
    23 Travis Snider
    31 Jose Tabata 15-day DL *

    • Maybe McPherson or Irwin to the 60 Day, if you can place a minor leagure on the 60 day DL

    • Chase sticks out as the lowest of the fruit.

      • They would have left him on the 60Day, if they were going to take him off the 40 man, you’d think.

      • I’m going to regret this in about 30 minutes and after about 7 or 8 post but because of age and the ability to add him to a trade why not keep Chase and drop McDonald. With Barmes and Mercer both on the major league team what is the need for McDonald this year. His minimul value is negated by the fact that we have an equally good defensive shortstop starting and a decent prospect backing him up.

        • It all comes down to how Clint uses them.

          There is nobody in the system to take John McDonalds place, if Clint Hurdle continues to use Barmes, Mercer, and McDonald as he did before.

          • I could be wrong but I thought Chase had a good glove. I would hope Mercer has done enough to earn the trust of Hurdle over the past three weeks. McDonald was only needed because they didn’t trust Mercer at the beginning of the season. It has now become painfully obvious that McDonald can’t hit at all and it looks like he may have lost a step defensively. He’s a poor man’s Barmes and we already have Barmes.

            • If Mercer couldn’t be trusted as an everyday shortstop, there’s no way in hell Clint would trust him as a defensive replacement.

              • Why would you replace Barmes with a McDonald or Mercer late in the game for Defense. If Castro was the Pirates starting shortstop I could see what you are saying. You don’t need two stud defensive shortstops that both stink at hitting if you have an adequate defensive good hitting one on your team which Mercer has proven to be.

                If you are referring to defensive replacement as actually starting the game. What does it matter if we have are average defensive SS starting 30 games and our very good defensive SS starting 132. Most teams would be starting the better hitter that is average at defense over Barmes and playing Barmes the 30 games.

                Why do you want Barmes and Barmes Jr. both on the same team. Mercer is much more likely to contribute pinch hitting when he doesn’t start then McDonald and he has been good enough on defense to not completely hurt you. I don’t see how Mercer isn’t making the bench more flexible on offense without hurting us on defense.

              • Nate,

                Hurdle was making a habit of pinch hitting for Barmes from the 7th inning on when there was a need for more offense, as he should have been.

                That means somebody had to come in and play shortstop. In a tight game, you want a good defensive replacement, which Mercer is not.

              • But you wouldn’t pinch hit McDonald for Barmes. You are gaining nothing by doing that. I believe their opinion of Mercer is differant then it was earlier in the year.

                If McDonald is added to the 25 man roster you will definately see a lot of negative post from many people. Not just myself.

              • They don’t pinch hit McDonald for Barmes, they pinch hit somebody else with McDonald going in as the defensive replacement.

                I know you don’t get to watch many games, but they were literally doing this exact thing all spring.

              • I’ve never been a fan of using 2 bench guys for one move. Last question because I really do not want to get to the 7 or 8 post I predicted above. Is this what you believe they will do or is this what you believe they should do?

              • I agree, it’s a terribly ineficient way to manage a prototypical roster.

                But right now, I also believe it is absolutely the best way to manage the 2013 Pirates.

              • That’s why I would start Mercer and use Barmes as a late game replacement if defense is called for.

            • Ha, just in case you were worried that our 25-man Inge vs Harrison conversation was the most pointless of the day, I’m pretty sure a rehashing of the ’08 tear down just happened on the morning thread.

              Like a smoldering fire you just can’t put out. Pops up when you least expect it.

              • I don’t know if you saw my last reply on that but it is below.

                “The funny thing is I hated the fact they kept Inge at the beginning of the year and now he is what we thought he was and I’m defending him. Crazy!!!!”

                I don’t know why but the guy just grew on me. I hardly think he is awesome but I think he can contribute as a last guy on the bench. Also living near Detroit I’m familiar with him. He’s really a gamer that will run through a wall to catch a meaningless ball in a blowout. A much less talented version of Bryce Harper when it comes to relentless effort.

              • Haha, trust me, I was equally mystified that I found myself defending Josh Harrison.

                Lets hope Inge can revive some of that play from his Tiger days.

              • Hey, I started that Inge one. Then, I got on a conf call, came back, and all H-E double hockey sticks had broken loose!

              • Just a friendly debate started by you Jim. I will let my boss know that it is your fault I fell behind on a project:)

              • Thanks. Have him contact me here on the blog to discuss, Nate. I’ll clear it all up.

        • I agree. as I see it, JMac was a late add to the roster after the DBacks saw him as surplus.. he was good insurance at the time but now that Mercer has established himself, JMac isn’t needed. This club is in position that they need to try to upgrade at SS anyway… and if Barmes or Mercer gets hurt they can find a compatible to JMac at the time with no problem.. even Rockin’ Ronny C would be workable at that point..

  7. OK, let’s pre-write tomorrow’s blog headlines…. if you are Clint Hurdle, and the PIrates have a 1-run lead after 7, do you:

    A) pitch Melancon and then Grilli, duh, it’s the Reds and we need to win the game.
    B) pitch Mazarro and then Watson.. no time like the present to give other guys chances.
    C) leave the starter in to get a complete game.

    My answer is A, but then I kinda want to witness Melancon and Grilli’s arms actually falling off in July at PNC Park. Can be a fun giveaway “Dave Dravecky bobble-arm day”. A little edgy there, but no offense meant.

    • No brainer … A

      • The back end of the bullpen is a lot easier to replace than a starter. That’s if there are a couple right arms laying beside the mound.

    • Mercy. That’s a tough one, that Dravecky stuff.

      You could make a Melancon or Grilli statuette with their arm in a sling.

      More tasteful than “bobble-arm day”.

    • Can I suggest D)…….. Have Inge pitch, because he is such a great athlete? ;)

      A) of course is the choice. But it would be fun to see Stormy Pimento pitch. :)

      • not sure if “A is of course the choice” is reality…seems to me everything I read is that the Bucs need to try other arms or pay the price in July… so if not now, then when? I’m being provocative perhaps, since I think A is the choice here also, but someone out there must think it is B else we should not see tons of posts on the subject.

        • Of course, it is A. If they are ready to pitch tonight, get the win tonight and worry about what may be tomorrow when tomorrow comes. We would, hopefully, already have tonight’s win in the bank.

    • No matter which philosophy you adhere to, you should want throw everything you got at the Reds and Cards when you play them.

    • There are different kinds of 1-run games.

      A 2-1 game plays out much differently than a 9-8 one run game.

      Everyone seems to keep lumping these all together as if they are the same type of ball game.

      • I don’t follow. If the score is 2-1, 9-8, 6-5, 4-3, or 16-15 after 7, and you are Clint Hurdle, do you pitch Melancon/Grilli or do you use someone else? Is your answer different based on the score and if so, why?

        I feel gambler’s fallacy coming…i.e. becuase a lot of runs have been scored through 7 innings, then it must follow that you dont use your best relievers in the 8/9th because it is an offensive game and you need to outhit the other team not shut them down…but please enlighten.

  8. Big storm just went thru here north of Cincy. Furious wind and very heavy rain.

    I have two of my neighbor’s trees down across my fence and my hot tub cover was torn from its straps.

    Hope the Bucs play ball later.

  9. Meetings on Friday afternoons SHOULD NOT take that long…..


    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.

    Line #1
    Total HITS by Neil Walker in tonight’s game
    Line is 1.5

    Line #2
    Total Combined PITCHES THROWN by Pirates Starting Pitchers this weekend against the Reds
    Line is 279.5

    Line #3
    Total WINS by the Pirates this weekend against the Reds
    Line is 1.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    • Good lines as always and THANKS FOR DOING THIS.

      Line 1, 100 units, OVER (time for the Bucs offense to get going and Neil is hot)
      Line 2, 100 unis, UNDER. Hard to see Gomez going more than 80 and that then requires Wandy/Liriano to go 100 each. Slight lean to under.
      Line 3, 100 units, OVER. Have to. Please point out any blogger that goes under.

    • Line #1 – 100 on the under

      Line #2 – 50 on the over. That a difficult line.

      LIne #3 – 50 on the over. If line 2 happens hopefully it means line 3 will happen.

    • Line 1: 100 OVER
      Line 2: 100 UNDER
      Line 3: 100 OVER

    • Line 1 — $100 under
      Line 2 — $100 under
      Line 3 — $100 under

    • Meetings on Friday afternoon should be on Friday morning… They are an abomination

      Playoffs I will wager 100 on all three lines:

      Line 1 Over
      Line 2 Under
      Line 3 Over

      Thank you sir. Three good lines again. Go Buccos!

    • #1 100 under

      #2 100 over

      #3 100 under

    • Please sir, may I have 100 hated Red units on the OVER for Line 1
      100 on the OVER for Line 2
      100 on the UNDER for Line 3

    • Line 1 – 100 on the OVER
      Line 2 – 100 on the UNDER
      Line 3 – 100 on the OVER

    • Over 100 on all three lines, thanks again Playoffs, you da best

    • Line 1 – 100 OVER
      Line 2 – 100 UNDER
      Line 3 – 100 OVER

    • 100 under all 3

    • At playoffs: I will take 50 on the under for line one. I will take 75 on the over for both line 2 and three. Thank you. Have a good weekend.

    • Playoffs,
      I’ll take 100 each on all 3 lines:

      1 – UNDER
      2 – UNDER
      3 – OVER


    • Good afternoon to the window, perfect day for the Bucs to close the month of May out with a 20th win, wouldn’t that be something.

      On to three play Friday. The first line centers on Neil Walker who has four straight multi-hit games, in fact has multi-hit games in six of his last seven. However, lifetime against Cueto in 26 AB’s, Walker is hitting .231 with his six hits. Tough call here.

      Line 1 – 75 on the UNDER

      For line 2 we have total pitches thrown for starters, well the Bucs have a manager that thinks 100 pitches should be the max and we have Gomez throwing Sunday and Clint has confidence in him for about 65-75 pitches. I would like CH to trust the starters more, however he has not shown that.

      Line 2 – 75 on the UNDER

      The last line focuses on wins this series. The Bucs swept the Reds the first time these teams faced off and the Pirates own an 11-2-2 series record since dropping their first two series of the year. Couple that with the Pirates 20-9 mark at PNC and you have to believe.

      Line 3 – 50 on the OVER

      Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs!

    • 100 on the over on all 3 lines please.

      I, like OshKosh, hate the Reds. Go Bucs!

    • Line 1 100 under
      Line 2 100 under
      Line 2 100 over.
      Lets go bucs.

    • Line 1 – 100 points over
      Line 2 – 100 points under
      Line 3 – 25 points over

    • Give 100 on each

      Line 1 under

      Line 2 over

      Line 3 under


    • line 1 under 100
      line 2 under 100
      line 3 under 100

    • Mister Playoffs……….

      I would like 100 on the following, please………..

      Line 1, 100 OVER
      Line 2 100 UNDER
      Line 3 100 OVER.

      Thank you muchly.

    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 1400
    Pucknutz ~ 1200
    theplanisworking ~ 1125
    JRay3 ~ 1050
    bman ~ 995
    tdb1977 ~ 785
    radio wave ~ 650
    Frankie ~ 625
    fellocolonial ~ 600
    stickyweb ~ 500
    RobertoForever ~ 490
    JohninOshkosh ~ 475
    KJX ~ 375
    EricBowser ~ 350
    Nate83 ~ 275
    cherokee23 ~ 250
    Boise Bucco ~ 200
    Ermine ~ 200
    Evan ~ 200
    Keith ~ 200
    TK ~ 200
    JoeyBats ~ 175
    JUCOFan ~ 175
    TCB ~ 150
    Bill Born ~ 135
    blazer ~ 100
    PetroSteel ~ 100
    buggee ~ 50
    mlrgenuine ~ 50
    OZ ~ 50
    TJ ~ 50
    Arriba Wilver ~ 25
    tmp444 ~ 25
    Chico ~ 0
    DemonDachshund ~ 0
    Jason81 ~ 0
    pants-n-at ~ 0
    Ruffian706 ~ -40
    JaxBuc ~ -45
    absolute59 ~ -100
    Dcpinpgh ~ -100
    Joey Mellons ~ -100
    John in WM ~ -100
    Karen22 ~ -100
    Kevin S ~ -100
    kr70 ~ -100
    steelercrazy ~ -100
    cmat0829 ~ -250
    Ghost ~ -250
    JD ~ -275
    Brandie ~ -375
    Dadtackular ~ -400
    Steve J. Smith ~ -400
    Dom ~ -475
    pattonbb ~ -500
    Lad9 ~ -600
    stuart66 ~ -600
    cosmo ~ -800
    JMB ~ -800
    Kevin ~ -1030
    Jandy ~ -1375
    Bizrow ~ -2600

    JRay3 ~ 1125
    Pucknutz ~ 900
    stickyweb ~ 600
    cherokee23 ~ 600
    Arriba Wilver ~ 550

    ***First Place at the end of MAY will win:***

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fourth Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fifth Place at the end of the season will win:

  11. Watching the Mike Francesa show on Yes network , and he had Peter Gammons on as a call in guest.

    They were talking about the Pirates, and Gammons feels the Pirates should seriously consider moving Taillon , in order to acquire the “BIG BAT” they so desperately need.

    He did not get into specifics, as who that BIG BAT may be.
    Just another reason why i feel he doesn’t have a clue, unless he is talking about the Red Sox or Yankees, which he seems to drool over.

    Why consider dealing a guy who could possibly be a #1 starter in a few seasons, for a 1 or 2 year rental?.
    Again, i wish this guy would stick to what he knows, which apparently is not the Pirates long term goals.

    • I’d really rather prefer moving Hansen or Polanco but I understand that Taillon would warrant more of a return. If we are still competing at the deadline, I don’t think it would be completely idiotic if we do move Taillon but I would much rather keep him if possible. I don’t think it is out of the question for him to be used in the major league roster towards the end of the season. His fastball is around 95 and touches 99 on some occasion so he could very well be part of a playoff run if we’re still competing in August.

      • Taillon might possible be better than Cole.. It better be Trout or Harper

        • I would only give him up for an all-star caliber player like Gammons mentioned. It’s difficult enough getting someone like Taillion in our team.

      • As they say, though. You have to give up something in order to get something. But, if they give up someone like Taillon it better be for a bopper who is hitting 275-290 minimum. After all, wasn’t this supposedly one of the reasons they’ve tried to stock up on pitching? So you have something you can trade without losing all your pitching depth?


    • I would gladly trade Peter Gammons for a remote control with a remote. ;)

    • Jose Batista. It all comes together. It’s like the circle of life.

    • OK, I’ll bite. If Giancarlo Stanton is coming, a player like that with a few years of ‘control’, then yes, the Bucs should indeed consider moving Taillon. They’d still have Cole as the young ace; Locke looks like he’s for real. Vets like Wandy/Liriano can be had in any market….and Heredia is still here as well as Glasnow and some other arms. They can win now and still be in a good position next year and the year after. But for anything less than allstar talent with some years to go after this one, NO WAY IN HELL.

      The Bucs can build in a number of ways…they can go Cole/Taillon and pray for ra-ion and plug in lineup depth from FA market to support Marte/Cutch/Pedro/Walker or they can pick up another lineup mainstay and do so with one ace… but you can’t let sellers fleece us for Taillon if it isn’t an absolute allstar.

    • The other obvious comeback to Gammons would be that every GM should ask themselves before they make deals….”What would the Rays and Cardinals do?”… bigmarket teams with budget to sign FAs can afford to ‘go for it’ and trade prospects for help in a given year… smaller market teams cannot. I don’t think the Cards would trade one of their top young arms in a similar move..but maybe I’m wrong.

  12. Today is Clint Eastwoods 83rd birthday.
    Is he a Pirates fan?

    In honor of Clint’s birthday, I give him the following present………… ;)

    • + 1

      Hey, if you are a newer blogger and haven’t posted your current residence, please do so with a reply to this post.

      You do not want to meet the “wide 9s”….

    • Everyone named Clint should somehow be connected to our team.

  13. I’ll Take the under on 1 & 2 for 100. Also take the over on 3 for 100. Thanks!

  14. @ Playoffs

    1. 100 over
    2. 100 under
    3. 100 over (the hills and thru the woods to our favorite sports book we go…

  15. Who would have guessed that it would Sux vs Skankees on MLB Network tonight

  16. MLB is threatening to do what ESPN does…just milks the cow until there are no UDDERs left….Sox/Yanks, even for fans that like that, is less ‘special’ because it is on TV every other minute. I know a huge chunk of the TV homes are in the Northeast but would be much more interesting to see other matchups for variety. But I know, it’s about money and they are just going with the option that maximizes viewers…can’t argue with them there… but it does nothing to attract fans not already disposed to be siting in front of the outreach…

  17. Sorry I missed the earlier discussion on Chase D’arnaud.

    NMR and Dejan have consistently bad-mouthed him. But I like him a LOT!

    1/ He is the best base stealer the Pirates have on the 40-man, better even than Marte.
    2/ He has the broadest range of any shortstop in the Pirates’ system, including Barmes.
    3/ He has terrificly soft hands.
    4/ His problem has been with routine plays. That points to concentration, which many supremely talented players have (see Starlin Castro!). That’s something he can mature out of and good coaching can reinforce. You can’t “teach” a stronger arm or quicker feet, but you can coach concentration.
    5/ You are going to hold injuries against him?!?! He got beaned right in the head by a fastball in his 2nd game of last year and had a concussion, missing most of the season. (seems I remember another——some local hockey player——who had a concussion and missed in essence a whole season . . . . . and then same hockey player broke his jaw and missed more time. Should we get rid of him for being injury-prone?)

    D’arnaud tore ligaments in his hand during base stealing drills in Spring Training when a player slid into him. He had surgery. He did not get his jaw broken in a bar fight like Tony Sanchez. Give him a break.

    6/ Chase D’arnaud has better range, a better arm, more defensive prowess, and more speed than Jordy Mercer. If he becomes steady on routine plays, he is the logical replacement for Clint Barmes. Or competition for Mercer. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Charlie Morton can go on 60-day Disabled List, backdated to April 1st———and that will give us another roster spot for a week or two until Morton is ready to pitch in Pittsburgh.

    • His throwing accuracy from the SS Position sucks, if my memory serves me correctly. Just asking.

      • You are correct. Most of his errors were throwing on routine plays, like Barmes the other night.

        That is concentration.

        • Not really a fair comparison, my friend. That’s kind of taking advantage of a recent bad stretch, which isn’t typical.

          • Sorry——don’t understand what you mean, Wilver Dornel.

            And . . . . is tonight you “retire” the Boston logo?
            You need a picture of Willie calling ‘Time’ as he slid short of 2nd base!

            • I’d love to find a picture of him falling in the outfield in Cincinnati. It would be In black and white, but he fell three times on the same fly out if memory serves. It was very wet.

              Oh, and I’m saying Barmes (not a fan myself) doesn’t have the same issues throwing that Chase has, and arguing to the contrary based on recent games is cherry picking.

              Love you, Man!

              • I agree entirely. I wasn’t picking on Barmes; I was just citing it as a memorable recent example of what Chase D’arnaud did too often in the past.

                Chase has to prove himself by raising his level of performance to Barmes’ level in the field.

                I just believe the tools are there defensively and a greater variety of tools are there offensively. Can he learn to pull the right tools out of the bag?

            • I remember that. Classic.

      • IMHO, to the naked eye, I’m not sure we can have such firm opinions of Barmes/Mercer/d’Arnaud as it comes to defense. I think Barmes is steadier, though every time I opine that he needs to be the starter for that reason, he makes errors. Mercer doesn’t appear to have as good of an arm, but he has made all the plays to date, I think…. d’Arnaud seemed to make quite a few mistakes last year… and I THINK he may be the weakest of the bunch defensively.

        Offensively? I think Barmes is the weakest.. and has the lowest offensive upside. Mercer has some pop, and makes contact…d’Arnaud can be a real sparkplug, but so can JayHey.

        I say flip a coin. And then trade for a SS that can play on a contender.

    • Put the quote up where Dejan has ripped on the fellow

      Just sayin ;-)

    • I seem to recall that Sanchez got hit in the head….twice….. within a week…


  18. I guess the Pirates aren’t the only team that may have bullpenners lose their arms…

    Buck, a very experienced and respected manager, thinks “things will even out over the course of the season” and he “isn’t worried about it”.

    Im not saying I agree or disagree with him, just trying to find facts that can give us perspective on the Pirates situation…as I said earlier, I do think the Pirates have overuse issues in the pen but I also don’t think they are light years ahead from other teams who face the same issue. I think Milo posted a few days ago that the Pirates/Reds/Cards have all used their closers the same amount of innings this season. Hardly a reason to harp on the Bucs incessantly.

    • It’s easy to say they have been over used, and they probably have been.

      The issue is … What are they suppose to do. They sent Conteras out there and almost got lynched.

      You win the games when you can, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

      • thats what Buck was saying, essentially, we have save situations, so I use my closer, so what? If anything, Clint, by using Melancon and watson to get saves and spare Grilli, is already doing more than Showalter would’ve done in the same circumstances. And, it should be pointed out, Johnson is not performing well, which SHOULD give Showalter opportunities to use others.

  19. With the hockey playoffs, national hockey media and Aroldis Chapman all in town at the same time – it should be a great weekend for strip clubs.

  20. Jason Grilli has been removed from bed rest, but he has been instructed by the club to discontinue playing catch with his 5 year old son.

    • And while no final decisions have been made, the Pirates are strongly considering pitching Grilli & Melancon only in night games to keep them out of the hot summer sun. They would consider usage in day games in September, provided their arms hadn’t yet fallen off, because the hot summer sun is not sustainable.

  21. JandyGirl,

    Nice to see your holy face in the comments section of that hockey article. Wrong name though!

  22. Groat:

    Just so you don’t get hot and bothered and go running off to Blush to get your usual table from your usual server, I shall change my avatar as I leave work now. It should be up directly.

    Gave it some thought. Decided on someone completely devoid of any sexual appeal-unless you truly are a depraved individual.

    Off to an Irish Fest to consume moderate to more than moderate amounts of Guinness. I never buzzblog so enjoy the game ladies and germs.

    I hate the Reds.

  23. I’m the biggest baby on earth when it comes to dental work..But is Pedro really missing his 2nd game in a row due to wisdom tooth xtraction?

  24. Gee, another accident.

  25. Gee, what a surprise, Cueto beaned Cutch.

    Need a retaliation pitch in the bottom of the inning.

  26. Enough is enough with Cueto, Wandy needs to ring his ear hole when he comes up to bat. Leave it to Baker and his thugs to heat things up in the first inning of the series.

  27. Wasted chance with middle guys up, would have been nice to turn the momentum that half inning.

  28. Beaning Cutch = also called a Dusty Baker Intentional Walk

  29. We talked about it earlier….And here we go!
    Cutch beaned again!

  30. This garbage will never end until Reds star players start getting hit in greater or equal numbers. It’s bullying and it’s working.

  31. The thread is dripping with hatred of the Reds. Beat them mercilessly. That should shut em’ up.

  32. Cueto is up first. Do you put one in his ear?

  33. Just dig right in there Johnny. Maybe take a rocking chair up there next time.

  34. Votto is the guy to plunk

  35. In a car on the way to a Maine lakeside cabin, watching on Gamecast. According to them, Wandy threw Cozart 6 straight strikes before walking him. ump is either blind or really likes Cozart.

  36. When Baker retires from beanball, errrrr I mean baseball, he could get a job with Lizard Lick Towing. He just looks like a lizard.

    Just sayin’……….

  37. Walkie just said he’s surprised Cueto didn’t get buzzed, 2 innings later. Does he not watch the games ?

  38. That HBP didn’t count..

  39. Another night of a Pirate pitcher keeping a potent lineup in check, another night where the bats can’t seem to muster anything…let’s go.

  40. And there is the Barmes end the inning DP….team is going to have to figure out how to add some offense to this squad.

  41. if we take Barmes out to the woods and lose him, do you think they’d get a real player to man SS?

  42. Remember…NH said he will not trade top prospects for impact bats..

  43. Best 25.

  44. Good thing they didn’t retaliate. Hitting someone might have cost them the game.

  45. I forgot…our bats don’t do anything until the 7th inning.

  46. Wandy at 81 pitches, let him hit or time for PH?

  47. What’s sad is, our guy gives up two in six innings and you feel like you’re out of it..Obviously they aren’t, just feels like it.

  48. Barmes is so bad… I’d rather see Mercer and D’Arnaud getting the at-bats than waste our time with him. Let him rot on the bench as 9th inning defensive replacement only.

  49. They’re obviously leaving Wandy in there so he can not hit Johnny Cueto again.

  50. It hurts not having Pedro in there.

  51. Other than the hit, has any ball gotten to the outfield?

  52. Other than the hit, has any ball gotten to the outfield?

  53. “The Pirates have had a couple of line drive outs.” – Line of the night by Greg Brown.

  54. Maybe Cueto will pull a hammy…

  55. hate to be a cloud here, but I just heard yet another massive tornado outbreak around Oklahoma City.

    Just unreal.

  56. For Milo:

    Jerry Sands hit his 4th HR already tonight in Columbus. He’s “already” up to 20 RBI and his BA is “up” to .194.

    Don’t tell me there aren’t any sticks at Indy.

    JHay already 2 for 2 tonight.

    But Joe Martinez is on the mound for Columbus, so that splains it.

    Already 6-0 in the 2nd. Garrett Cole twirling for Indy.

  57. Mike Zagurski is my hero.

  58. Barmes bailed out on the tag, then is out of position for Bruce.

    Can someone point Barmes in the right direction?

  59. I feel a Harry Doyle quote coming on…

  60. Oh no. We might lose now.

  61. So much for Zagurski…

  62. Cueto and reds definitely a measuring stick. Message so far. Pirates suck at hitting. Oh and badly want to see crankshaft walk out from the stands and face check votto. Is it tomorrow night yet? Why not?

  63. Get him out of there!!! This is why we will not climb past Cincy or the Cards…no offense.

  64. The Cardinals game has been PPD. The storms are bearing down on St. Louis. Moore OK has been hit with more tornadoes. The mayor says there are fatalities.

  65. Of COURSE they’re not hitting.

    Their BABIPs don’t pitch deep enough into games.

    Or something.

  66. Should have just beaned Cueto.

  67. Zags reminds me of Fetters size wise.

  68. Barmes is the greatest at watching ground balls go past him after a modest and futile lunge, NEVER a dive. And he is ambidextrous – they bound past him on either side.

    Hurdle should be forced to take a lie detector test, that he doesn’t play Barmes simply because they are friends. When Barmes is in there, it is simply not accurate that they are playing their BEST players – as he usually says somewhere in a pre or post-game interview.

    Most likely we’ll get a PH for Barmes here, so Hurdle can prove how fair-minded he is

    • Nope we are forced to watch Barmes stare at a first pitch fastball right down the middle and than K on a pitch where he has to dive and lunge to try and attempt to hit.

  69. This offense is pathetic…

  70. With that at bat, the prosecution rests. Wow.

    Cueto says “this is too easy”

  71. Only positive to tonight other than another nice start from Wandy, everybody other than Zagurski in pen gets a days rest. And there’s that.

  72. One the most central and important positions on a baseball team is SS, and Hurdle entrusts it to a dolt like Barmes.


    • Didn’t someone say that about a guy named Hendeson?

      I know I know I would rather see someone else in there as well

  73. Time to call the Yankees and see of they are still interested in Zagurski. Something tells me at 38 pitches and counting we will be seeing another move tomorrow, maybe a Jared Hughes return?

  74. That was a very hard hit by Phillips but Barmes looked like he was running in quicksand.

    That’s it. Blame the ground screw !

  75. I think Zagurski is trying to pitch 9 innings all in the 9th.

  76. Aroldis Chapman’s idea of getting some work in is …nevermind.

  77. This should not be scientifically confounding to anyone here – Barmes cannot play this game at a major league level. He has no redeeming value – baseball-wise.

  78. Has Hurdle thrown in the towel on this game? Shame on him

  79. Well this game is really going to mess with the Pirates Pyragotheron record projection.

  80. And I was positive they wouldn’t lose another game the rest of the year. Put me out of my misery, TC.

  81. All right, I’ll give up my “affection” for Presley, if Hurdle will jettison Barmes to the bench, say 8 1/2 innings earlier than he did tonight.

  82. On the other hand, I think Marte NEEDS a rest. Perhaps for a few days while Presley is here having a cup of coffee

  83. Not a good divisional statement by the Pirates tonight.
    They let Cincy dictate the game early.
    Still have Saturday and Sunday.

  84. Well, back to the Pond.

    Get em tomorrow!
    Everything is good!
    Enjoy the Ride !

    GO PENS !!!!!!!!!!

  85. This is one of those 54. But losing the first game of a series hasn’t been fatal so far.

  86. Six innings for Cole tonight so far. No runs. 2 hits. 1 walk. 4 K’s. 80pitches.

  87. I wasn’t aware how good a career record Cueto had against us. For example, now 8-2 at PNC.

  88. so. that was fun.

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