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Final: Reds 6, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (34-20) vs. Cincinnati Reds (33-21)

Starters: LHP Wandy Rodriguez vs. RHP Johnny Cueto

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Garrett Jones, 1B
  5. Travis Snider, RF
  6. Michael McKenry, C
  7. Brandon Inge, 3B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Rodriguez, LHP

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel is on the beat.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. theplanisworking says:

    GO BUCS!!!!

    Wasnt Cueto the punk that throws at people? Involved in the brawl with the Cardinals in 2011? I say we just beat these guys to a pulp. And Dusty Baker is bad for the game, with his 1960’s style of beanballs and vigilante justice. But what do I know?

    Cannot wait for tomorrow night.

  2. tim mohr says:

    When d’Arnaud comes off the DL the Pirates will have 41 men on their 40-man roster. Of course a corresponding move will have to be made. Do we say goodbye to old man McDonald, and pardon the pun, time to buy a farm? eieio

  3. Bizrow says:

    Are you going to the game or talking about the Pens?

  4. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Baker is definitely a head-hunting manager in my book.

  5. theplanisworking says:

    Pens game.

  6. 21sthebest says:

    D’Arnaud has been reinstated. No corresponding move yet made.

  7. theplanisworking says:

    He orders his players to head-hunt, then defends them (and the head-hunting), then gets defensive and attacks other teams, the media, or just says “no big deal”.

    The Pirates blew a golden opportunity to send a message to that officious jerk last year when Chapman beaned Cutch. And, as long as other teams let him get away with that type of stuff, he will keep doing it. Quite sad.

  8. Dom says:

    Aren’t both McDonalds on the 15 day DL?

  9. Thundercrack says:

    did they send JHay down and recall Presley?

  10. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I agree….And the worst part is that his tactics worked last year.

  11. 21sthebest says:

    Yes. Couldn’t you hear the parade going on in the North Hills?

  12. cmat0829 says:

    15 day DLs do NOT affect the 40-man roster, only the 25-man active roster. So JMacs on the DL do not help the 41 for 40 issue raised by Chase’s reinstatement.

    They could move JMac(pitcher) to 60day DL and that would solve it…. or they could dump JMac (aged infielder) YES PLEASE.

  13. Ermine says:


  14. cmat0829 says:

    good. now we can see more 0-4 with weak ground balls if presley gets to play. I knew I was missing something from last year….

  15. Ermine says:

    How long to they have? By game time tonight?

  16. theplanisworking says:

    Like I said, they will always work until someone stops being so cowardly, and retaliates against that team.

  17. Bob Hasis will be tickled. He loves Presley. Now, if Barmes ever goes, Bob will have a parade of his own.

  18. Ermine says:

    What exactly happened? Did they head hunt Swisher?

  19. cmat0829 says:

    so he loves one “decent defender” who can’t hit a lick and he hates the other?

  20. He’ll splain it to you.

    It’s about positioning, throwing, moving, pivoting, what Barmes eats for pre-game meal, anything else.

    He’ll splain it.

  21. gregenstein says:

    Let’s stay in reality. Beanballs had nothing to do with Karstens’ removal from the rotation, Jeff Locke’s putrid September, James McDonald’s 2nd half, or much of anything else. McKenry, Barajas, Walker…any number of guys had started their 2nd half declines well before the beanball that shall live in infamy.

  22. Damon says:

    Wow…I think you’re being a little hard on Presley. He hit 10 HRs, 7 triples and 14 doubles last year. He’s not the greatest, but he isn’t as terrible as you suggest.

  23. gregenstein says:

    I’d say it’s pretty easy. Just remove d’Arnaud.

  24. Chuck H says:

    Presley is an improvement over Harrison at the plate, but look what Nate McClouth is doing for Baltimore. Wish we had him back. Now, I think we have to score some more runs against the Reds, because, although the Tigers have a super hitting team, our pitchers were able to keep them under control. We got just enough runs to win 3 out of 4.
    The Reds seem to hit when it counts, and Cueto is tough on our Buccos. GO, BUCS!!!

  25. theplanisworking says:


    I was talking about the Reds, beanballs, and retaliating against them. Not once did I say it affected the Pirates collapse in any way, shape or form. All I referenced the Pirates was that they blew a chance to stand up to the bully.

    Lets stay in reality? I am. Judging by your post here, I would suggest you follow your own words. Sheesh.

    If you want, I will state what I feel happened to foster the collapse last year. But that, I feel is for another time.

  26. NMR says:


  27. The Gunner says:


    You aren’t being politically correct with your use of “splain.” Tsk tsk!

  28. theplanisworking says:

    Cueto and Chapman were throwing pitches above batters heads, Dont know all the details, but it is just more of the same stuff from the Reds.

  29. 21sthebest says:

    I think McLouth is hitting to all fields better than he ever has but I’d still be curious to see what happens in the second half maybe after the book on him gets pit together better.

  30. gregenstein says:

    It wasn’t working for Nate here. I’m glad he’s doing well over there, but he was a steaming pile of rice last year or two years ago, whenever that was.

  31. Damon says:

    That was easy….

  32. Ermine says:

    Figures. I’m sure it will happen at some point this weekend..they are punks

  33. Dom says:

    Why him over john mcdonald? If feel that D’Nrnaud might have some future when Mcdonald really has none.

  34. Bizrow says:

    Regarding the 40 man, don’t we have some marginal prospect stashed on it that can be removed? I’ll go check

  35. Frankie says:

    Chapman threw first pitch 3 feet over Swishers head. Second pitch was about 3 inches from his head……

  36. You’re right, Gunner. Slap my backside with a hacksaw.

    (That’s better than scratching it)

  37. NMR says:

    1. McDonald can catch the ball.

    2. 26 yo oft-injured, light hitting, average-at-best shortstops are not in high demand. Chase could be taken off the 40-man and almost certainly go unclaimed.

  38. Bizrow says:

    68 Vic Black
    34 A.J. Burnett
    52 Jose Contreras
    30 Jeanmar Gomez
    39 Jason Grilli
    48 Jared Hughes
    36 Phil Irwin
    27 Jeff Karstens 60-day DL *
    47 Francisco Liriano
    49 Jeff Locke
    32 Vin Mazzaro
    53 James McDonald 15-day DL *
    38 Kyle McPherson
    35 Mark Melancon
    29 Bryan Morris
    50 Charlie Morton 15-day DL
    45 Andy Oliver
    72 Stolmy Pimentel
    51 Wandy Rodriguez
    44 Tony Watson
    61 Duke Welker
    37 Justin Wilson
    57 Mike Zagurski
    # Catchers
    55 Russell Martin
    19 Michael McKenry
    59 Tony Sanchez
    # Infielders
    24 Pedro Alvarez
    12 Clint Barmes
    15 Chase d’Arnaud *
    5 Josh Harrison *
    2 Brandon Inge
    46 Garrett Jones
    17 John McDonald 15-day DL *
    10 Jordy Mercer
    14 Gaby Sanchez
    18 Neil Walker
    # Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
    6 Starling Marte
    22 Andrew McCutchen
    7 Alex Presley
    17 Jerry Sands *
    23 Travis Snider
    31 Jose Tabata 15-day DL *

  39. Bizrow says:

    Maybe McPherson or Irwin to the 60 Day, if you can place a minor leagure on the 60 day DL

  40. NMR says:

    Chase sticks out as the lowest of the fruit.

  41. cmat0829 says:

    OK, let’s pre-write tomorrow’s blog headlines…. if you are Clint Hurdle, and the PIrates have a 1-run lead after 7, do you:

    A) pitch Melancon and then Grilli, duh, it’s the Reds and we need to win the game.
    B) pitch Mazarro and then Watson.. no time like the present to give other guys chances.
    C) leave the starter in to get a complete game.

    My answer is A, but then I kinda want to witness Melancon and Grilli’s arms actually falling off in July at PNC Park. Can be a fun giveaway “Dave Dravecky bobble-arm day”. A little edgy there, but no offense meant.

  42. Ermine says:

    They would have left him on the 60Day, if they were going to take him off the 40 man, you’d think.

  43. theplanisworking says:

    Maybe Contreras?

  44. Jerry Sands is right around the Mendoza line. His fan club president, Milo, won’t want to see him DFA’d though.

  45. Dave G says:

    Big storm just went thru here north of Cincy. Furious wind and very heavy rain.

    I have two of my neighbor’s trees down across my fence and my hot tub cover was torn from its straps.

    Hope the Bucs play ball later.

  46. Ermine says:

    No brainer … A

  47. Nate83 says:

    I’m going to regret this in about 30 minutes and after about 7 or 8 post but because of age and the ability to add him to a trade why not keep Chase and drop McDonald. With Barmes and Mercer both on the major league team what is the need for McDonald this year. His minimul value is negated by the fact that we have an equally good defensive shortstop starting and a decent prospect backing him up.

  48. cmat0829 says:

    The blog should be sponsored by whomever makes and markets either YOYOs or Boomerangs… good revenue opportunity, DK!

    2011 blog…”McLouth is a bum” “McSuck” “Another NH disaster” 2013 blog : “we should get McLouth back , he is awesome”.

    LeBron James doesn’t turn on a dime any better than many of us bloggers.

    What do you say about Brandon Moss? he’d look good in RF, wouldn’t he??

  49. Mercy. That’s a tough one, that Dravecky stuff.

    You could make a Melancon or Grilli statuette with their arm in a sling.

    More tasteful than “bobble-arm day”.

  50. cmat0829 says:

    ok, you are right. 9 games of 0-4 and then a double or two…then 5 more games of 0-4

  51. You can never have enough “pitching”. ;)

  52. NMR says:

    Say what you will about age and a couple rough outings, but he’s still a big league reliever.

    Pirates are not in a position to dummp big league relievers in favor of 26 yo non-prospects.

  53. theplanisworking says:

    Can I suggest D)…….. Have Inge pitch, because he is such a great athlete? ;)

    A) of course is the choice. But it would be fun to see Stormy Pimento pitch. :)

  54. theplanisworking says:

    What, did Baker have one of his pitchers throw at a cloud???

  55. Damon says:

    No matter which philosophy you adhere to, you should want throw everything you got at the Reds and Cards when you play them.

  56. Dave G says:

    There are different kinds of 1-run games.

    A 2-1 game plays out much differently than a 9-8 one run game.

    Everyone seems to keep lumping these all together as if they are the same type of ball game.

  57. Ermine says:

    The back end of the bullpen is a lot easier to replace than a starter. That’s if there are a couple right arms laying beside the mound.

  58. Leave them both where they are. They’re successful and happy.

    (Doris Day theme playing in the background)

  59. NMR says:

    It all comes down to how Clint uses them.

    There is nobody in the system to take John McDonalds place, if Clint Hurdle continues to use Barmes, Mercer, and McDonald as he did before.

  60. So by this and some other comments, we have to assume your nomination for president of the Chase D’Arnaud Fan Club will NOT be accepted?

  61. cmat0829 says:

    I agree. as I see it, JMac was a late add to the roster after the DBacks saw him as surplus.. he was good insurance at the time but now that Mercer has established himself, JMac isn’t needed. This club is in position that they need to try to upgrade at SS anyway… and if Barmes or Mercer gets hurt they can find a compatible to JMac at the time with no problem.. even Rockin’ Ronny C would be workable at that point..

  62. tomp says:

    I have no problem sending Snider out to RF on a consistent basis.
    His defense, for one, is light years ahead of Moss’s.

    Moss maybe a better long ball hitter, but i like the “grit” that Snider displays, on a daily basis.
    Now, if they can just get rid of Inge, replace him with Harrison or Chase, or even De Jesus, make Barmes the backup to Mercer, this team may have a clue what the “best 25″ roster really means.

  63. gregenstein says:

    I guess I still don’t get it.

    What you are telling me I think, is that you believe a retaliatory beanball (or beanballs by many teams) would have altered Cincinnati’s division title run?

    Baker may in fact be a jerk, but I don’t see the “golden opportunity” the Pirates had to halt him or Cincinnati in their tracks. He’d still have his players throw at other players I think, probably even still at Cutch if he feels the situation is right for it.

  64. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think Daq did, though.

  65. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Meetings on Friday afternoons SHOULD NOT take that long…..


    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.

    Line #1
    Total HITS by Neil Walker in tonight’s game
    Line is 1.5

    Line #2
    Total Combined PITCHES THROWN by Pirates Starting Pitchers this weekend against the Reds
    Line is 279.5

    Line #3
    Total WINS by the Pirates this weekend against the Reds
    Line is 1.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

  66. cmat0829 says:

    not sure if “A is of course the choice” is reality…seems to me everything I read is that the Bucs need to try other arms or pay the price in July… so if not now, then when? I’m being provocative perhaps, since I think A is the choice here also, but someone out there must think it is B else we should not see tons of posts on the subject.

  67. Damon says:

    Well there’s no way he would have hit .237 last year doing that, and he had those 31 extra base hits playing about 60% of the time. Once again, not saying he’s great, but I think you’re going overboard.

  68. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 1400
    Pucknutz ~ 1200
    theplanisworking ~ 1125
    JRay3 ~ 1050
    bman ~ 995
    tdb1977 ~ 785
    radio wave ~ 650
    Frankie ~ 625
    fellocolonial ~ 600
    stickyweb ~ 500
    RobertoForever ~ 490
    JohninOshkosh ~ 475
    KJX ~ 375
    EricBowser ~ 350
    Nate83 ~ 275
    cherokee23 ~ 250
    Boise Bucco ~ 200
    Ermine ~ 200
    Evan ~ 200
    Keith ~ 200
    TK ~ 200
    JoeyBats ~ 175
    JUCOFan ~ 175
    TCB ~ 150
    Bill Born ~ 135
    blazer ~ 100
    PetroSteel ~ 100
    buggee ~ 50
    mlrgenuine ~ 50
    OZ ~ 50
    TJ ~ 50
    Arriba Wilver ~ 25
    tmp444 ~ 25
    Chico ~ 0
    DemonDachshund ~ 0
    Jason81 ~ 0
    pants-n-at ~ 0
    Ruffian706 ~ -40
    JaxBuc ~ -45
    absolute59 ~ -100
    Dcpinpgh ~ -100
    Joey Mellons ~ -100
    John in WM ~ -100
    Karen22 ~ -100
    Kevin S ~ -100
    kr70 ~ -100
    steelercrazy ~ -100
    cmat0829 ~ -250
    Ghost ~ -250
    JD ~ -275
    Brandie ~ -375
    Dadtackular ~ -400
    Steve J. Smith ~ -400
    Dom ~ -475
    pattonbb ~ -500
    Lad9 ~ -600
    stuart66 ~ -600
    cosmo ~ -800
    JMB ~ -800
    Kevin ~ -1030
    Jandy ~ -1375
    Bizrow ~ -2600

    JRay3 ~ 1125
    Pucknutz ~ 900
    stickyweb ~ 600
    cherokee23 ~ 600
    Arriba Wilver ~ 550

    ***First Place at the end of MAY will win:***

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fourth Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fifth Place at the end of the season will win:

  69. Nate83 says:

    I could be wrong but I thought Chase had a good glove. I would hope Mercer has done enough to earn the trust of Hurdle over the past three weeks. McDonald was only needed because they didn’t trust Mercer at the beginning of the season. It has now become painfully obvious that McDonald can’t hit at all and it looks like he may have lost a step defensively. He’s a poor man’s Barmes and we already have Barmes.

  70. cmat0829 says:

    I don’t follow. If the score is 2-1, 9-8, 6-5, 4-3, or 16-15 after 7, and you are Clint Hurdle, do you pitch Melancon/Grilli or do you use someone else? Is your answer different based on the score and if so, why?

    I feel gambler’s fallacy coming…i.e. becuase a lot of runs have been scored through 7 innings, then it must follow that you dont use your best relievers in the 8/9th because it is an offensive game and you need to outhit the other team not shut them down…but please enlighten.

  71. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Nobody was implying that “the season was lost” because of the bean balls with the Reds.
    But….It had a definite effect on “at least” one or more games with the Reds.

  72. NMR says:

    If Mercer couldn’t be trusted as an everyday shortstop, there’s no way in hell Clint would trust him as a defensive replacement.

  73. theplanisworking says:

    No, a beanball by the Pirates wouldnt have stopped the Reds division title run. What it would have done is stopped the constant beanballs, and throwing at other teams players heads, as the Reds constantly do.

    The reason the Reds do it so often, is that no one retaliates. The only team I can remember standing up to the Reds, is the 2011 Cardinals, and that worked out well for them.

  74. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think it may be a little more complicated than that. The “hated” P2 has said d’Arnaud is insurance so they can get rid of John McDonald as a defensive backup. Of course, they’re wrong.

  75. Thundercrack says:

    Are you trying to imply that you think McLouth current production is not Sustain….

  76. gregenstein says:


    I guess I don’t buy into the d’Arnaud future. He’s hurt too much. That said, if the option the Pirates have in front of them is Chase in AAA or Old McDonald in MLB (with Mercer going back to AAA), then my choice would Chase in AAA, Mercer in MLB.

    I do agree with NMR though that Chase likely goes unclaimed.

  77. Dom says:

    Vegas would eat me alive.

  78. NMR says:

    Haha, frankly, its more of a knock on management than d’Arnaud.

    Absolutely no need, IMO, to protect that kind of player on the 40-man.

  79. cmat0829 says:

    Good lines as always and THANKS FOR DOING THIS.

    Line 1, 100 units, OVER (time for the Bucs offense to get going and Neil is hot)
    Line 2, 100 unis, UNDER. Hard to see Gomez going more than 80 and that then requires Wandy/Liriano to go 100 each. Slight lean to under.
    Line 3, 100 units, OVER. Have to. Please point out any blogger that goes under.

  80. Nate83 says:

    Line #1 – 100 on the under

    Line #2 – 50 on the over. That a difficult line.

    LIne #3 – 50 on the over. If line 2 happens hopefully it means line 3 will happen.

  81. Arriba Wilver says:

    No way we make the playoffs with Harrison or Presley on the 25. You heard it here first.

  82. gregenstein says:

    I think Smizik referred to this as PSS. Prospect Separation Syndrome.

    d’Arnaud can’t back up anything if he’s on the DL. That’s my biggest problem with him. Ryan Doumit syndrome.

  83. Dom says:

    Line 1: 100 OVER
    Line 2: 100 UNDER
    Line 3: 100 OVER

  84. Arriba Wilver says:

    Moss? What team are you following?

  85. So you won’t take the nomination for the NH Fan Club either?

    You don’t have to answer that.


  86. JUCOFan says:

    Line 1 — $100 under
    Line 2 — $100 under
    Line 3 — $100 under

  87. Arriba Wilver says:

    Ronny? Bite your tongue. Until it hurts. Hurts real bad.

  88. NMR says:

    Those 25-30 nominations have already been accepted. :)

  89. NMR says:

    Ha, just in case you were worried that our 25-man Inge vs Harrison conversation was the most pointless of the day, I’m pretty sure a rehashing of the ’08 tear down just happened on the morning thread.

    Like a smoldering fire you just can’t put out. Pops up when you least expect it.

  90. Lad9 says:

    Meetings on Friday afternoon should be on Friday morning… They are an abomination

    Playoffs I will wager 100 on all three lines:

    Line 1 Over
    Line 2 Under
    Line 3 Over

    Thank you sir. Three good lines again. Go Buccos!

  91. Nate83 says:

    Why would you replace Barmes with a McDonald or Mercer late in the game for Defense. If Castro was the Pirates starting shortstop I could see what you are saying. You don’t need two stud defensive shortstops that both stink at hitting if you have an adequate defensive good hitting one on your team which Mercer has proven to be.

    If you are referring to defensive replacement as actually starting the game. What does it matter if we have are average defensive SS starting 30 games and our very good defensive SS starting 132. Most teams would be starting the better hitter that is average at defense over Barmes and playing Barmes the 30 games.

    Why do you want Barmes and Barmes Jr. both on the same team. Mercer is much more likely to contribute pinch hitting when he doesn’t start then McDonald and he has been good enough on defense to not completely hurt you. I don’t see how Mercer isn’t making the bench more flexible on offense without hurting us on defense.

  92. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought he was off it, hence the comment.

  93. Dave G says:

    The score matters because if it’s a 9-8 game, your starter isn’t in there in the 7th, eliminating option C.

  94. Ermine says:

    #1 100 under

    #2 100 over

    #3 100 under

  95. ghost says:

    I see that Roberto really is forever.

  96. Arriba Wilver says:

    “I agree….And the worst part is that his tactics worked last year.” This is what I was referring to. No big deal, just thought plan’s comment required the clarification.

  97. NMR says:


    Hurdle was making a habit of pinch hitting for Barmes from the 7th inning on when there was a need for more offense, as he should have been.

    That means somebody had to come in and play shortstop. In a tight game, you want a good defensive replacement, which Mercer is not.

  98. Nate83 says:

    I don’t know if you saw my last reply on that but it is below.

    “The funny thing is I hated the fact they kept Inge at the beginning of the year and now he is what we thought he was and I’m defending him. Crazy!!!!”

    I don’t know why but the guy just grew on me. I hardly think he is awesome but I think he can contribute as a last guy on the bench. Also living near Detroit I’m familiar with him. He’s really a gamer that will run through a wall to catch a meaningless ball in a blowout. A much less talented version of Bryce Harper when it comes to relentless effort.

  99. tomp says:

    “What do you say about Brandon Moss? he’d look good in RF, wouldn’t he”?

    I was responding to the comment , found above(if you care to look) that CMAT made.

    I am a Pirate fan since 1971, in response to your question.
    I know Moss plays for Oakland, and played for the Phillies after getting dumped by the Pirates.
    I do follow ALL teams, but i am only loyal to 1.

  100. NMR says:

    Haha, trust me, I was equally mystified that I found myself defending Josh Harrison.

    Lets hope Inge can revive some of that play from his Tiger days.

  101. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks AW.

    Hippos need ALL the help they can get, especially this one……….

  102. Nate83 says:

    But you wouldn’t pinch hit McDonald for Barmes. You are gaining nothing by doing that. I believe their opinion of Mercer is differant then it was earlier in the year.

    If McDonald is added to the 25 man roster you will definately see a lot of negative post from many people. Not just myself.

  103. cmat0829 says:

    right you are.

  104. JaxBuc says:

    Please sir, may I have 100 hated Red units on the OVER for Line 1
    100 on the OVER for Line 2
    100 on the UNDER for Line 3

  105. Ermine says:

    He actually made a tremendous over the shoulder catch the other night.

  106. cmat0829 says:

    Tomp, even the “i have no problem sending Snider out to RF on a regular basis” should be printed on a decal on a yo-yo. I’d say less than 10% of the blog felt that at beginning of year.

  107. buggee says:

    Just punch him in the face and call it a Mulligan.

    hoist up that there Jolly shuttlecock!

  108. buggee says:

    swing planes and downward planes and bi-planes

  109. tomp says:

    Watching the Mike Francesa show on Yes network , and he had Peter Gammons on as a call in guest.

    They were talking about the Pirates, and Gammons feels the Pirates should seriously consider moving Taillon , in order to acquire the “BIG BAT” they so desperately need.

    He did not get into specifics, as who that BIG BAT may be.
    Just another reason why i feel he doesn’t have a clue, unless he is talking about the Red Sox or Yankees, which he seems to drool over.

    Why consider dealing a guy who could possibly be a #1 starter in a few seasons, for a 1 or 2 year rental?.
    Again, i wish this guy would stick to what he knows, which apparently is not the Pirates long term goals.

  110. NMR says:

    They don’t pinch hit McDonald for Barmes, they pinch hit somebody else with McDonald going in as the defensive replacement.

    I know you don’t get to watch many games, but they were literally doing this exact thing all spring.

  111. tomp says:

    Wonder what the opinion of the 90% was of Locke, Liriano,Gomez, Melancon, and Grilli, Marte, and Martin, were before the season started.

    You know what they say about opinions being compared to something else, right?.

  112. Dom says:

    I’d really rather prefer moving Hansen or Polanco but I understand that Taillon would warrant more of a return. If we are still competing at the deadline, I don’t think it would be completely idiotic if we do move Taillon but I would much rather keep him if possible. I don’t think it is out of the question for him to be used in the major league roster towards the end of the season. His fastball is around 95 and touches 99 on some occasion so he could very well be part of a playoff run if we’re still competing in August.

  113. theplanisworking says:

    Today is Clint Eastwoods 83rd birthday.
    Is he a Pirates fan?

    In honor of Clint’s birthday, I give him the following present………… ;)

  114. Arriba Wilver says:

    I am not now, and never have, questioned your bona fides as a Pirate fan. I find stuff like that distasteful. We all approach it in our own way. Even the blogmaster.

  115. theplanisworking says:

    I would gladly trade Peter Gammons for a remote control with a remote. ;)

  116. Ermine says:

    Taillon might possible be better than Cole.. It better be Trout or Harper

  117. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t care. Did it plenty of times for us, in between all the f-ups. Good riddance.

  118. Jim S. says:

    Funniest thing ever was Dusty Baker eating ribs in the Cubs dugout during a game. Had the white styrofoam box and all. A man’s gotta eat, I guess.

  119. Dom says:

    I would only give him up for an all-star caliber player like Gammons mentioned. It’s difficult enough getting someone like Taillion in our team.

  120. Jim S. says:

    My hat’s off to you, cmat, for knowing the DL rules. That is truly impressive.

  121. TK says:

    Line 1 – 100 on the OVER
    Line 2 – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 3 – 100 on the OVER

  122. Jim S. says:

    I think Damon is right. Presley is not starter-quality, but he’s a 4th OF and should be judged by 4th OF standards. He fields pretty well, runs well and has some pop.

  123. Nate83 says:

    I’ve never been a fan of using 2 bench guys for one move. Last question because I really do not want to get to the 7 or 8 post I predicted above. Is this what you believe they will do or is this what you believe they should do?

  124. Nate83 says:

    Jose Batista. It all comes together. It’s like the circle of life.

  125. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, McLouth needed the popular “change of scenery” and the reminder that he could be looking for a new, lower paying career in a bad economy to get his career back in order. To his credit, he seems to have matured (a la Brandon Moss) just in time. Don’t put me in the “I love me some Alex Presley” category, but I don’t see that he is all that different from Nate Mc – just a few years younger. Maybe he has matured to the point where he can be a solid 4th OF now.

  126. Jim S. says:

    In fairness, their careers literally did turn on a dime. Who could have predicted they would do such incredible about faces?

  127. Bizrow says:

    Over 100 on all three lines, thanks again Playoffs, you da best

  128. Jim S. says:

    Contreras certainly does throw a lot of pitches lately, if that is what you meant Lucky.

  129. Bizrow says:

    HAH, I’ve doubled up on Jandy

    Got you folks right where I want you ;-)

  130. Bizrow says:

    And a “mute” button…

  131. Bizrow says:

    + 1

    Hey, if you are a newer blogger and haven’t posted your current residence, please do so with a reply to this post.

    You do not want to meet the “wide 9s”….

  132. Jim S. says:

    Hey, I started that Inge one. Then, I got on a conf call, came back, and all H-E double hockey sticks had broken loose!

  133. Nate83 says:

    He’s not as bad a Lou Holtz.

  134. Jim S. says:

    Now, Cesar Cedeno – that guy could hit. And he could run.

  135. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jerry Sands stinks.

  136. blazer says:

    I’ll Take the under on 1 & 2 for 100. Also take the over on 3 for 100. Thanks!

  137. Nate83 says:

    Just a friendly debate started by you Jim. I will let my boss know that it is your fault I fell behind on a project:)

  138. Jim S. says:

    cmat, you might need to answer for the Dravecky comment to a higher power one day. Just kidding.

  139. Jim S. says:

    Of course, it is A. If they are ready to pitch tonight, get the win tonight and worry about what may be tomorrow when tomorrow comes. We would, hopefully, already have tonight’s win in the bank.

  140. NMR says:

    I agree, it’s a terribly ineficient way to manage a prototypical roster.

    But right now, I also believe it is absolutely the best way to manage the 2013 Pirates.

  141. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, its a wonder I didnt put a mute button with a mute. ;)

    Heat affects Hippos………..

  142. pattonbb says:

    Line 1 – 100 OVER
    Line 2 – 100 UNDER
    Line 3 – 100 OVER

  143. Jim S. says:

    Thanks. Have him contact me here on the blog to discuss, Nate. I’ll clear it all up.

  144. Jim S. says:

    Gammons has a mouth like a muppet.

  145. Jim S. says:

    Everyone named Clint should somehow be connected to our team.

  146. buggee says:

    @ Playoffs

    1. 100 over
    2. 100 under
    3. 100 over (the hills and thru the woods to our favorite sports book we go…

  147. cherokee23 says:

    100 under all 3

  148. radio wave says:

    At playoffs: I will take 50 on the under for line one. I will take 75 on the over for both line 2 and three. Thank you. Have a good weekend.

  149. tomp says:

    10% of all the posters here, going by the law of averages.

  150. stickyweb says:

    I’ll take 100 each on all 3 lines:

    1 – UNDER
    2 – UNDER
    3 – OVER


  151. Ermine says:

    Who would have guessed that it would Sux vs Skankees on MLB Network tonight

  152. cmat0829 says:

    YES, they need a Reed Johnson type. Veteran with some skills and track record.

  153. cmat0829 says:

    OK, I’ll bite. If Giancarlo Stanton is coming, a player like that with a few years of ‘control’, then yes, the Bucs should indeed consider moving Taillon. They’d still have Cole as the young ace; Locke looks like he’s for real. Vets like Wandy/Liriano can be had in any market….and Heredia is still here as well as Glasnow and some other arms. They can win now and still be in a good position next year and the year after. But for anything less than allstar talent with some years to go after this one, NO WAY IN HELL.

    The Bucs can build in a number of ways…they can go Cole/Taillon and pray for ra-ion and plug in lineup depth from FA market to support Marte/Cutch/Pedro/Walker or they can pick up another lineup mainstay and do so with one ace… but you can’t let sellers fleece us for Taillon if it isn’t an absolute allstar.

  154. cmat0829 says:

    The other obvious comeback to Gammons would be that every GM should ask themselves before they make deals….”What would the Rays and Cardinals do?”… bigmarket teams with budget to sign FAs can afford to ‘go for it’ and trade prospects for help in a given year… smaller market teams cannot. I don’t think the Cards would trade one of their top young arms in a similar move..but maybe I’m wrong.

  155. cmat0829 says:

    MLB is threatening to do what ESPN does…just milks the cow until there are no UDDERs left….Sox/Yanks, even for fans that like that, is less ‘special’ because it is on TV every other minute. I know a huge chunk of the TV homes are in the Northeast but would be much more interesting to see other matchups for variety. But I know, it’s about money and they are just going with the option that maximizes viewers…can’t argue with them there… but it does nothing to attract fans not already disposed to be siting in front of the outreach…

  156. cmat0829 says:

    haha you can’t say it’s “too soon”… i let enough time pass.

  157. Sorry I missed the earlier discussion on Chase D’arnaud.

    NMR and Dejan have consistently bad-mouthed him. But I like him a LOT!

    1/ He is the best base stealer the Pirates have on the 40-man, better even than Marte.
    2/ He has the broadest range of any shortstop in the Pirates’ system, including Barmes.
    3/ He has terrificly soft hands.
    4/ His problem has been with routine plays. That points to concentration, which many supremely talented players have (see Starlin Castro!). That’s something he can mature out of and good coaching can reinforce. You can’t “teach” a stronger arm or quicker feet, but you can coach concentration.
    5/ You are going to hold injuries against him?!?! He got beaned right in the head by a fastball in his 2nd game of last year and had a concussion, missing most of the season. (seems I remember another——some local hockey player——who had a concussion and missed in essence a whole season . . . . . and then same hockey player broke his jaw and missed more time. Should we get rid of him for being injury-prone?)

    D’arnaud tore ligaments in his hand during base stealing drills in Spring Training when a player slid into him. He had surgery. He did not get his jaw broken in a bar fight like Tony Sanchez. Give him a break.

    6/ Chase D’arnaud has better range, a better arm, more defensive prowess, and more speed than Jordy Mercer. If he becomes steady on routine plays, he is the logical replacement for Clint Barmes. Or competition for Mercer. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Charlie Morton can go on 60-day Disabled List, backdated to April 1st———and that will give us another roster spot for a week or two until Morton is ready to pitch in Pittsburgh.

  158. Arriba Wilver says:

    His throwing accuracy from the SS Position sucks, if my memory serves me correctly. Just asking.

  159. cmat0829 says:

    I guess the Pirates aren’t the only team that may have bullpenners lose their arms…

    Buck, a very experienced and respected manager, thinks “things will even out over the course of the season” and he “isn’t worried about it”.

    Im not saying I agree or disagree with him, just trying to find facts that can give us perspective on the Pirates situation…as I said earlier, I do think the Pirates have overuse issues in the pen but I also don’t think they are light years ahead from other teams who face the same issue. I think Milo posted a few days ago that the Pirates/Reds/Cards have all used their closers the same amount of innings this season. Hardly a reason to harp on the Bucs incessantly.

  160. You are correct. Most of his errors were throwing on routine plays, like Barmes the other night.

    That is concentration.

  161. cmat0829 says:

    IMHO, to the naked eye, I’m not sure we can have such firm opinions of Barmes/Mercer/d’Arnaud as it comes to defense. I think Barmes is steadier, though every time I opine that he needs to be the starter for that reason, he makes errors. Mercer doesn’t appear to have as good of an arm, but he has made all the plays to date, I think…. d’Arnaud seemed to make quite a few mistakes last year… and I THINK he may be the weakest of the bunch defensively.

    Offensively? I think Barmes is the weakest.. and has the lowest offensive upside. Mercer has some pop, and makes contact…d’Arnaud can be a real sparkplug, but so can JayHey.

    I say flip a coin. And then trade for a SS that can play on a contender.

  162. Arriba Wilver says:

    100 on the UNDER for line #1, please.

  163. Ermine says:

    It’s easy to say they have been over used, and they probably have been.

    The issue is … What are they suppose to do. They sent Conteras out there and almost got lynched.

    You win the games when you can, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

  164. JRay3 says:

    Good afternoon to the window, perfect day for the Bucs to close the month of May out with a 20th win, wouldn’t that be something.

    On to three play Friday. The first line centers on Neil Walker who has four straight multi-hit games, in fact has multi-hit games in six of his last seven. However, lifetime against Cueto in 26 AB’s, Walker is hitting .231 with his six hits. Tough call here.

    Line 1 – 75 on the UNDER

    For line 2 we have total pitches thrown for starters, well the Bucs have a manager that thinks 100 pitches should be the max and we have Gomez throwing Sunday and Clint has confidence in him for about 65-75 pitches. I would like CH to trust the starters more, however he has not shown that.

    Line 2 – 75 on the UNDER

    The last line focuses on wins this series. The Bucs swept the Reds the first time these teams faced off and the Pirates own an 11-2-2 series record since dropping their first two series of the year. Couple that with the Pirates 20-9 mark at PNC and you have to believe.

    Line 3 – 50 on the OVER

    Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs!

  165. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not really a fair comparison, my friend. That’s kind of taking advantage of a recent bad stretch, which isn’t typical.

  166. cmat0829 says:

    thats what Buck was saying, essentially, we have save situations, so I use my closer, so what? If anything, Clint, by using Melancon and watson to get saves and spare Grilli, is already doing more than Showalter would’ve done in the same circumstances. And, it should be pointed out, Johnson is not performing well, which SHOULD give Showalter opportunities to use others.

  167. JD says:

    100 on the over on all 3 lines please.

    I, like OshKosh, hate the Reds. Go Bucs!

  168. Milo Hamilton says:

    With the hockey playoffs, national hockey media and Aroldis Chapman all in town at the same time – it should be a great weekend for strip clubs.

  169. Hope Aroldis didn’t bring his jewelry with him this time.

    He is such a trusting tike!

  170. Sorry——don’t understand what you mean, Wilver Dornel.

    And . . . . is tonight you “retire” the Boston logo?
    You need a picture of Willie calling ‘Time’ as he slid short of 2nd base!

  171. Joey Mellons says:

    Line 1 100 under
    Line 2 100 under
    Line 2 100 over.
    Lets go bucs.

  172. Eric Bowser says:

    Line 1 – 100 points over
    Line 2 – 100 points under
    Line 3 – 25 points over

  173. Frankie says:

    Give 100 on each

    Line 1 under

    Line 2 over

    Line 3 under


  174. Bizrow says:

    Put the quote up where Dejan has ripped on the fellow

    Just sayin ;-)

  175. Drew71 says:

    So stop opining. And yes. Make that trade.

  176. Drew71 says:

    Milo, any recommendations?

  177. Dadtackular says:

    line 1 under 100
    line 2 under 100
    line 3 under 100

  178. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jason Grilli has been removed from bed rest, but he has been instructed by the club to discontinue playing catch with his 5 year old son.

  179. Last Spring, before D’arnaud was beaned in AAA, when Dejan still liked baseball and wrote about it frequently, even though it was only Spring Training and even though Penguins were playing real games.

    Dejan, National Mart of Records, and I had loquacious discussion about him as the possible upcoming MLB shortstop.

  180. Don’t go to Blush . . . . . they have no off-duty police with guns!!

  181. JohninOshkosh says:

    I bow to your ability to post, sir.

  182. JandyGirl,

    Nice to see your holy face in the comments section of that hockey article. Wrong name though!

  183. Milo Hamilton says:

    And while no final decisions have been made, the Pirates are strongly considering pitching Grilli & Melancon only in night games to keep them out of the hot summer sun. They would consider usage in day games in September, provided their arms hadn’t yet fallen off, because the hot summer sun is not sustainable.

  184. Vapors, Oshkosh b’Gosh, vapors!!!!!!

  185. Bizrow says:


  186. Bizrow says:

    Not to argue, but generally my thoughts are Dejan has been critical of the FO’s failure to draft/develop a SS after all this time, not singling out on one player

  187. At least you don’t have Elizabeth Shue.

    I fell for her in “Adventures in Babysitting!”

  188. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’d love to find a picture of him falling in the outfield in Cincinnati. It would be In black and white, but he fell three times on the same fly out if memory serves. It was very wet.

    Oh, and I’m saying Barmes (not a fan myself) doesn’t have the same issues throwing that Chase has, and arguing to the contrary based on recent games is cherry picking.

    Love you, Man!

  189. Zactly.

    But there is some truth to Drew’s theory and I believe DK and many of us believe that you can’t ever have enough pitching.

  190. Drew71 says:

    How are the guns on the dancers?

  191. MadTurk says:

    Sounds like Pedro

  192. MadTurk says:

    add a few more o fors in there though

  193. I remember that. Classic.

  194. I’m not as talented as you, Bizzy. I can’t find that crap!

    Dejan doesn’t buy Chase as a Major League shortstop, citing his inconsistency. I point to the inconsistency as something that can be improved.

    Of course, I also thought Jason Grilli would not be able to sustain his 8th inning performance as the Closer. Now, everybody believes he will sustain that performance!!

  195. Well, not every…body.

  196. Drew71 says:

    Video game innings.

    Don’t forget video game innings.

  197. theplanisworking says:

    Mister Playoffs……….

    I would like 100 on the following, please………..

    Line 1, 100 OVER
    Line 2 100 UNDER
    Line 3 100 OVER.

    Thank you muchly.

  198. MadTurk says:

    That’s why I would start Mercer and use Barmes as a late game replacement if defense is called for.

  199. Drew71 says:

    “At least you don’t have Elizabeth Shue.”

    That’s a good thing?

  200. I agree entirely. I wasn’t picking on Barmes; I was just citing it as a memorable recent example of what Chase D’arnaud did too often in the past.

    Chase has to prove himself by raising his level of performance to Barmes’ level in the field.

    I just believe the tools are there defensively and a greater variety of tools are there offensively. Can he learn to pull the right tools out of the bag?

  201. Milo Hamilton says:

    Do you what those things do to your thumbs ? Kinda like texting.

  202. I HEAR they are long and pointed.

    I wouldn’t know——ask Lucky. He sees everything!

  203. “Nobody gets out of here unless they sing the Blues!”

  204. JohninOshkosh says:


    Just so you don’t get hot and bothered and go running off to Blush to get your usual table from your usual server, I shall change my avatar as I leave work now. It should be up directly.

    Gave it some thought. Decided on someone completely devoid of any sexual appeal-unless you truly are a depraved individual.

    Off to an Irish Fest to consume moderate to more than moderate amounts of Guinness. I never buzzblog so enjoy the game ladies and germs.

    I hate the Reds.

  205. Arriba Wilver says:


  206. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’m the biggest baby on earth when it comes to dental work..But is Pedro really missing his 2nd game in a row due to wisdom tooth xtraction?

  207. Arriba Wilver says:


  208. Bizrow says:

    Sustainability is something we all have to deal with ;-)

  209. Milo Hamilton says:

    One of the guys I golfed with today wondered if he couldn’t have put it off until the All Star break because he would have plenty of free time then.

  210. JRay3 says:

    Yes…I was concerned that could be a couple day thing, I know it shelved me for a weekend a few years back when I had mine done.

  211. JRay3 says:

    yeah his timing was peculiar unless it was an absolute necessity to get done yesterday.

  212. Milo Hamilton says:

    Gee, another accident.

  213. theplanisworking says:

    Gee, what a surprise, Cueto beaned Cutch.

    Need a retaliation pitch in the bottom of the inning.

  214. theplanisworking says:


  215. Dave G says:

    He’s a wussy.

    Hockey players have it done between periods.

  216. JRay3 says:

    Enough is enough with Cueto, Wandy needs to ring his ear hole when he comes up to bat. Leave it to Baker and his thugs to heat things up in the first inning of the series.

  217. theplanisworking says:

    Reference my opening comments at the very top of this thread, please.

    Baker has done this for years.

    No surprise, or accident here.

  218. JRay3 says:

    Wasted chance with middle guys up, would have been nice to turn the momentum that half inning.

  219. JRay3 says:

    Noticed it, it was indeed proper foreshadowing.

  220. Milo Hamilton says:

    “Pretty soon there won’t be anyplace in Brooklyn that I can hang my hat.”

  221. Dave G says:

    Beaning Cutch = also called a Dusty Baker Intentional Walk

  222. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    We talked about it earlier….And here we go!
    Cutch beaned again!

  223. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Good point about the All-Star break.

  224. theplanisworking says:

    I say they throw warmup pitches into the Reds dugout, lol

  225. theplanisworking says:


    +1 for this.

  226. Milo Hamilton says:

    This garbage will never end until Reds star players start getting hit in greater or equal numbers. It’s bullying and it’s working.

  227. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    From my experience (which was recent)….It’s only an absolute necessity if “one” gets infected.

  228. theplanisworking says:

    I have seen this somewhere before………………… ;)

  229. likeabugonarug says:

    As they say, though. You have to give up something in order to get something. But, if they give up someone like Taillon it better be for a bopper who is hitting 275-290 minimum. After all, wasn’t this supposedly one of the reasons they’ve tried to stock up on pitching? So you have something you can trade without losing all your pitching depth?


  230. Milo Hamilton says:

    What can I say ? You’re smarter than the average hippo.

  231. Brandie says:

    The thread is dripping with hatred of the Reds. Beat them mercilessly. That should shut em’ up.

  232. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Brandie !!!!!!!!!

  233. Ermine says:

    Cueto is up first. Do you put one in his ear?

  234. theplanisworking says:

    Thats damning with faint praise…….. Hippos arent too smart. :(
    But thank you.

  235. theplanisworking says:


    But we wont. Pathetic.

  236. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just dig right in there Johnny. Maybe take a rocking chair up there next time.

  237. likeabugonarug says:

    I seem to recall that Sanchez got hit in the head….twice….. within a week…


  238. Brandie says:


  239. Brandie says:

    Or is that fainting with damn praise?

  240. theplanisworking says:

    Brandie, we need Jandy to go into the Reds dugout and plant some 9Wides!

  241. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m just going to quit while I’m behind.

  242. Drew71 says:

    Votto is the guy to plunk

  243. theplanisworking says:

    I will bet 50 Hippos that Cueto beans someone else tonight.
    100 Chapman does too this weekend.

  244. likeabugonarug says:

    I would rather see them do it in a few innings. If Wandy did it now, a huge risk he gets tossed. And we need all those innings from the starter. Not to mention it looks like he’s pitching a good game so far(can only follow on Gameday). When it gets near the end of his outing, then have Wandy take him down.


  245. Ermine says:

    Didn’t even pitch inside..Pathetic

  246. Ermine says:

    i’ll add 150 weasels. It will happen

  247. Brandie says:

    Not very Christian unless she offers prayer, communion, penance, and absolution as part of the holy butt kicking package. :-)

  248. theplanisworking says:

    Nah, we will just have Lucky do the honors with the prayers………. ;)

    How are ya tonight?

  249. theplanisworking says:

    Good point, it just needs to be done.

  250. Brandie says:

    Went for a walk in a state park with the man. OK tonight. Hope things are hippo-riffic!

  251. Patrick(ri) says:

    In a car on the way to a Maine lakeside cabin, watching on Gamecast. According to them, Wandy threw Cozart 6 straight strikes before walking him. ump is either blind or really likes Cozart.

  252. Brandie says:

    “Accidentally” bruise him. Bruise him all the way to the DL or CL.

  253. theplanisworking says:

    Yes they are.

    Swimmingly well. ;)

  254. Brandie says:

    Old school is great until Dusty Baker loses several important someones.

  255. theplanisworking says:

    When Baker retires from beanball, errrrr I mean baseball, he could get a job with Lizard Lick Towing. He just looks like a lizard.

    Just sayin’……….

  256. Milo Hamilton says:

    Walkie just said he’s surprised Cueto didn’t get buzzed, 2 innings later. Does he not watch the games ?

  257. Ermine says:

    That HBP didn’t count..

  258. JRay3 says:

    Another night of a Pirate pitcher keeping a potent lineup in check, another night where the bats can’t seem to muster anything…let’s go.

  259. Milo Hamilton says:

    And another night of their star player having a target painted on his back.

  260. Steelag70 says:

    This lineup just struggles against a quality starter…third game in a row they are struggling to get things going.

  261. theplanisworking says:

    Speaking of struggling………. nice DP by Barmes.

  262. Arriba Wilver says:

    Nah, they did better last year when he had an extended DL stint.

  263. JRay3 says:

    And there is the Barmes end the inning DP….team is going to have to figure out how to add some offense to this squad.

  264. Drew71 says:

    if we take Barmes out to the woods and lose him, do you think they’d get a real player to man SS?

  265. Steelag70 says:

    Remember…NH said he will not trade top prospects for impact bats..

  266. Arriba Wilver says:

    Shhhh . . . bob hasis might get upset. ;-)

  267. Drew71 says:

    i’ll settle for a mediocre bat

  268. Arriba Wilver says:

    Best 25.

  269. Arriba Wilver says:


  270. Drew71 says:

    i’m upset. and it has nothing to do with Plan.

  271. Ermine says:

    not good :(

  272. Steelag70 says:

    We already have MEDIOCRE bats…

  273. Milo Hamilton says:

    Good thing they didn’t retaliate. Hitting someone might have cost them the game.

  274. Drew71 says:

    At SS? That would be an upgrade

  275. theplanisworking says:

    + many, Milo.

  276. Drew71 says:

    hit Barmes

  277. Steelag70 says:

    I forgot…our bats don’t do anything until the 7th inning.

  278. JRay3 says:

    Wandy at 81 pitches, let him hit or time for PH?

  279. Ermine says:

    What’s sad is, our guy gives up two in six innings and you feel like you’re out of it..Obviously they aren’t, just feels like it.

  280. theplanisworking says:

    Remember, some posters of this blog dont want us to talk about upgrading the team……….. just sit back and enjoy the ride. No talk of acquiring better players. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh……….. be vewy vewy quiet………… ;)

  281. Eric Bowser says:

    Barmes is so bad… I’d rather see Mercer and D’Arnaud getting the at-bats than waste our time with him. Let him rot on the bench as 9th inning defensive replacement only.

  282. theplanisworking says:

    and forever……………. ;)

  283. Milo Hamilton says:

    They’re obviously leaving Wandy in there so he can not hit Johnny Cueto again.

  284. JRay3 says:

    What’s really sad is going into each game thinking your pitcher has to fire a gem for chance to win.

  285. Steelag70 says:

    It hurts not having Pedro in there.

  286. Ermine says:

    Other than the hit, has any ball gotten to the outfield?

  287. Ermine says:

    Other than the hit, has any ball gotten to the outfield?

  288. theplanisworking says:

    I think Cutch lined out to right-center.

  289. likeabugonarug says:

    Ok, top 7. Now I would plunk him.

  290. Milo Hamilton says:

    “The Pirates have had a couple of line drive outs.” – Line of the night by Greg Brown.

  291. Steelag70 says:

    Maybe Cueto will pull a hammy…

  292. Ermine says:

    I wasn’t in the room. I missed it lol..thanks

  293. Steelag70 says:

    +1 :(

  294. theplanisworking says:

    hate to be a cloud here, but I just heard yet another massive tornado outbreak around Oklahoma City.

    Just unreal.

  295. Steelag70 says:

    Yes….watching it on tv…OK City is being hit with massive tornados.

  296. For Milo:

    Jerry Sands hit his 4th HR already tonight in Columbus. He’s “already” up to 20 RBI and his BA is “up” to .194.

    Don’t tell me there aren’t any sticks at Indy.

    JHay already 2 for 2 tonight.

    But Joe Martinez is on the mound for Columbus, so that splains it.

    Already 6-0 in the 2nd. Garrett Cole twirling for Indy.

  297. kr70 says:

    free Mercer

  298. theplanisworking says:

    Go Indians !!!!

    WOOT !!!

  299. pattonbb says:

    Mike Zagurski is my hero.

  300. theplanisworking says:

    Mine too.
    He is built like a Hippo. ;)

  301. Bob Hasis says:

    Barmes bailed out on the tag, then is out of position for Bruce.

    Can someone point Barmes in the right direction?

  302. Steelag70 says:

    I feel a Harry Doyle quote coming on…

  303. Milo Hamilton says:

    Oh no. We might lose now.

  304. Steelag70 says:

    “One hit? That’s all we got, one $&#!!!!! hit??!”

  305. Steelag70 says:

    So much for Zagurski…

  306. Kevin says:

    Cueto and reds definitely a measuring stick. Message so far. Pirates suck at hitting. Oh and badly want to see crankshaft walk out from the stands and face check votto. Is it tomorrow night yet? Why not?

  307. Steelag70 says:

    Get him out of there!!! This is why we will not climb past Cincy or the Cards…no offense.

  308. Kevin says:

    Zagurski looks like he’s eaten one too many polish sausage. Why didn’t they stick with tony Watson?

  309. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Cardinals game has been PPD. The storms are bearing down on St. Louis. Moore OK has been hit with more tornadoes. The mayor says there are fatalities.

  310. Drew71 says:

    Of COURSE they’re not hitting.

    Their BABIPs don’t pitch deep enough into games.

    Or something.

  311. Steelag70 says:

    Yes…watching it on Fox News. OKC is pitch black with massive tornados…prayers to them . The interstates are a parking lot…

  312. Steelag70 says:

    Should have just beaned Cueto.

  313. MadTurk says:

    Zags reminds me of Fetters size wise.

  314. Bob Hasis says:

    Barmes is the greatest at watching ground balls go past him after a modest and futile lunge, NEVER a dive. And he is ambidextrous – they bound past him on either side.

    Hurdle should be forced to take a lie detector test, that he doesn’t play Barmes simply because they are friends. When Barmes is in there, it is simply not accurate that they are playing their BEST players – as he usually says somewhere in a pre or post-game interview.

    Most likely we’ll get a PH for Barmes here, so Hurdle can prove how fair-minded he is

  315. Steelag70 says:

    Tornado warnings in St Louis now.

  316. Steelag70 says:

    This offense is pathetic…

  317. JRay3 says:

    Nope we are forced to watch Barmes stare at a first pitch fastball right down the middle and than K on a pitch where he has to dive and lunge to try and attempt to hit.

  318. Brandie says:

    Prayers sent. Enough is enough.

  319. Bob Hasis says:

    With that at bat, the prosecution rests. Wow.

    Cueto says “this is too easy”

  320. JRay3 says:

    Only positive to tonight other than another nice start from Wandy, everybody other than Zagurski in pen gets a days rest. And there’s that.

  321. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hamilton Burger ?

  322. Bob Hasis says:

    One the most central and important positions on a baseball team is SS, and Hurdle entrusts it to a dolt like Barmes.


  323. theplanisworking says:

    You are 101% correct, Brandie!

  324. Bob Hasis says:

    You could say that, since you and I might be the only two here who know that name

  325. JRay3 says:

    Time to call the Yankees and see of they are still interested in Zagurski. Something tells me at 38 pitches and counting we will be seeing another move tomorrow, maybe a Jared Hughes return?

  326. Thundercrack says:

    That was a very hard hit by Phillips but Barmes looked like he was running in quicksand.

    That’s it. Blame the ground screw !

  327. Nancy52 says:

    Not quite the only two, here’s a third.

  328. theplanisworking says:

    And a fourth.

  329. MadTurk says:

    Didn’t someone say that about a guy named Hendeson?

    I know I know I would rather see someone else in there as well

  330. MadTurk says:

    I think Zagurski is trying to pitch 9 innings all in the 9th.

  331. Milo Hamilton says:

    Aroldis Chapman’s idea of getting some work in is …nevermind.

  332. Arriba Wilver says:

    Our pitchers or theirs?

  333. MadTurk says:

    At least it counts as a day pitching and will wear him out before the seaons ends. :-)

  334. Arriba Wilver says:


  335. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah. The Reds also keep close count on his lap dances.

  336. Bob Hasis says:

    This should not be scientifically confounding to anyone here – Barmes cannot play this game at a major league level. He has no redeeming value – baseball-wise.

  337. MadTurk says:

    A fifth, or is that a bottle?

  338. Bob Hasis says:

    Has Hurdle thrown in the towel on this game? Shame on him

  339. Brandie says:

    Hahahaha!!!!!! You said ground screw!

  340. Arriba Wilver says:


  341. MadTurk says:

    Shero could pull offf a trade with the Yankees

  342. theplanisworking says:

    Watching this game tonight, I need one. ;)

  343. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sorry, Mad, sixth. I even still watch them on MeTV.

  344. MadTurk says:

    How many laps equals a days’ pitching?

  345. Steelag70 says:

    I believe he has.

  346. theplanisworking says:

    Yes Brandie,
    ground screws keep the bases in. ;)

  347. Thundercrack says:

    Ha! My phone said that

  348. Arriba Wilver says:


  349. MadTurk says:

    But not the ice hard, Same crew? or screws?

  350. Arriba Wilver says:

    Fire Hurdle! He’ll never win the Cup! Wait . . .

  351. JRay3 says:

    Well this game is really going to mess with the Pirates Pyragotheron record projection.

  352. Thundercrack says:

    For the past month all everyone keeps talking about is how overworked the bullpen is.
    Last night they used 5 relievers.
    Down 4 runs in the top of the 9th.

    I doubt it is ‘throwing in the towel”

  353. theplanisworking says:


  354. MadTurk says:

    Arriba, Me too, not on MeTV though.Whatever old stations run them I will try to catch them.

    Hippo, one? After this game we deserve more then one.

  355. Brandie says:

    The Fightin’ Clint Hurdles don’t have much fight in them tonight. One thing to remember about this team is that they will lose their share of games. The true measure of how far they gave come lies in how they come back tomorrow. One thing is certain…we need a ton more offense. The Cardiac Kids Show is not sustainable. This is not to say I have not enjoyed what has happened so far, but, it’s time for realism to rear its less emotional head.

  356. Arriba Wilver says:

    And I was positive they wouldn’t lose another game the rest of the year. Put me out of my misery, TC.

  357. theplanisworking says:

    True, Turkey, True.

  358. MadTurk says:

    It sure isn’t a ball

  359. theplanisworking says:

    There arent any bases in hockey…………. ;)

  360. Brandie says:

    Pardon me for the juvenile Beavis and Butthead moment.

  361. Steelag70 says:


  362. theplanisworking says:

    Its ok, Brandie.
    Nice to see you in here tonight.

  363. Thundercrack says:

    The bullpen isn’t sustainable. The offense isn’t sustainable.

  364. Bob Hasis says:

    or even their Pythagorean Theorem projection

  365. Arriba Wilver says:

    I really haven’t been a fan of fat pitchers since the Jimmy Anderson era.

  366. MadTurk says:

    My oh my are you saying hey may lose another game before seaons end? That would be a downward plane. Is that subst… ah forget it

  367. theplanisworking says:

    Fire Bylsma! ;)

  368. MadTurk says:

    now you tell me.

  369. MadTurk says:

    There is more hitting though

  370. theplanisworking says:

    Joel “Hefty” Hanrahan comes to mind very quickly………

  371. Bob Hasis says:

    All right, I’ll give up my “affection” for Presley, if Hurdle will jettison Barmes to the bench, say 8 1/2 innings earlier than he did tonight.

  372. Bob Hasis says:

    On the other hand, I think Marte NEEDS a rest. Perhaps for a few days while Presley is here having a cup of coffee

  373. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Not a good divisional statement by the Pirates tonight.
    They let Cincy dictate the game early.
    Still have Saturday and Sunday.

  374. theplanisworking says:

    Well, back to the Pond.

    Get em tomorrow!
    Everything is good!
    Enjoy the Ride !

    GO PENS !!!!!!!!!!

  375. Steelag70 says:

    No offense…

  376. Brandie says:

    Can Huntington do that?

  377. Steelag70 says:

    Everything is not good…not enough offense.

  378. Arriba Wilver says:

    This is one of those 54. But losing the first game of a series hasn’t been fatal so far.

  379. Brandie says:

    If you could only really see me. :-) I get the sentiment, though. I appreciate it.

  380. Brandie says:

    Do you mean The NASCAR Sprint Cup?

  381. Arriba Wilver says:

    That was all muscle. :-)

  382. Brandie says:

    Wishing you peace in the pond, Hipposter!

  383. Arriba Wilver says:

    No offense, my friend. ;-)

  384. Brandie says:

    That definitely needs to change. What to do or who to tweak to find that all important mojo?

  385. Perry Mason’s DA that went against him all the time, right?

  386. Steelag70 says:

    It’s the trend of no offense that is the problem…

  387. Steelag70 says:

    Too many platoon guys…

  388. Brandie says:

    High time to area line, perhaps?

  389. Brandie says:

    Area line should say stream line.

  390. Six innings for Cole tonight so far. No runs. 2 hits. 1 walk. 4 K’s. 80pitches.

  391. Arriba Wilver says:

    I wasn’t aware how good a career record Cueto had against us. For example, now 8-2 at PNC.

  392. We’ve never hit him.

  393. Bob Hasis says:

    If you read reeeaaal carefully you’ll see the words “on this game”

  394. Drew71 says:

    so. that was fun.

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