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Final: Pirates 2, Cubs 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (35-25) vs. Chicago Cubs (24-33)

Starters: LHP Francisco Liriano vs. LHP Travis Wood

Time: 2:20 p.m.

Site: Wrigley Field, Chicago

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Jordy Mercer, SS
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  5. Russell Martin, C
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Neil Walker, 2B
  8. Travis Snider, RF
  9. Liriano, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel is on the beat.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Bizrow says:

    Don’t think we’ve seen this lineup before?

  2. Milo Hamilton says:

    Juan D. will throw this morning. He thinks he can avoid the DL.

  3. Milo Hamilton says:

    Travis Wood could bat 5th for us.

  4. Bizrow says:

    Yeah, Huntington was on the FAN today and said it was elbow inflammation and no ligament damage.

    You would think though that they would be careful on this one

  5. Jim S. says:

    I’m a little concerned that this is 2 instances of Wandy being shut down. He came back fairly quickly last time, and it looks like this might not be so bad. Still …

  6. Jim S. says:

    As of about 2 weeks ago, Cubs pitchers had driven in more runs than their #4 hitters. Don’t know if that is still holding true.

  7. T.S. says:

    Definitely, potentially a more balanced attack, as it were.

  8. Jim S. says:

    2 of 3, minimum, needed this weekend by the Bucs. Need to get back on the winning ways against a weaker team.

  9. Jim S. says:

    I figured someone would blow a gasket by now that we have 3 lefties in our lineup (FL), plus a switch hitter who doesn’t hit right-handed very well. I’m guessing Wood is a lefty with reverse splits?

  10. cmat0829 says:

    The Bucs usually hit well in Wrigley… and let’s be clear…this is all on the offense now.. I don’t even want to hear another syllable uttered about bullpen arms falling off in July, the biggest concern (the top 5 biggest concerns) are OFFENSE. The bullpen crap is like a Jay Leno joke…cheap and easy and way past its prime.

  11. cmat0829 says:

    Wandy is tough… it is also very smart of him to come out of a game at first twinge (like he did with the leg injury earlier this year) vs. trying to ‘tough it out’ and making it worse. I trust him to know his body and what he should do. See Strasburg, Stephen and Harper, Bryce for what stupid machismo gets you.

  12. tomp says:

    Did he mention if it had anything to do with him getting hit with that helmet by Simmons?.

    I thought that was the reason for the injury , but no one is saying much.

  13. Strange.

    Hopefully it can finally generate some runs. That mess in Atlanta was too much. I’ve got a Braves’ fan in the office next to me.

  14. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total HOMERUNS hit by the Pirates in today’s game
    Line is 1.5

    Line #2
    Total RUNS SCORED by the Pirates this weekend against the Cubs
    Line is 15.5

    Line #3
    Total WINS by the Pirates this weekend against the Cubs
    Line is 2.5

    ***PLEASE NOTE — All 3 games must be official games in order for lines 2 & 3 to be valid. Any cancellation, suspension or postponement will void those lines.***

    GOOD LUCK!!!

  15. Patrick(RI) says:

    “…cheap and easy and way past its prime” you mean like Contreras, Inge and Barmas?

  16. Dadtackular says:

    line 1 under 100
    line 2 under 100
    line 3 under 100

  17. pattonbb says:

    Is anyone paying attention to what Yasiel Puig has been doing for the Dodgers? Surely that can’t be sustainable. The guy has been on fire though. If LA ever gets healthy, the Snakes and Giants might get nervous in the west.

  18. JRay3 says:

    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 3 – 100 on the UNDER

    Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs!

  19. NMR says:

    Ha, funny part is that injuries to high priced players are the only thing getting Puig into the lineup in the first place.

    And no, his production is not sustainable. See Marte, Starling.

  20. cmat0829 says:

    or like yet another shot at Contreras, Inge and Barmes…. sure.

  21. cmat0829 says:

    yes, sure, his start is sustainable…he will hit 100 homeruns and drive in 300 runs.

  22. bman says:


    Line 1: 50 on the UNDER
    Line 2: 100 on the UNDER
    Line 3: 100 on the UNDER

  23. Jandy says:

    Paul Martin was the only absent player from the Pens morning skate. He didn’t skate at Wednesday’s morning skate either, but still played Game 3.

    Judging by the lines, it appears that Tyler Kennedy and Mark Eaton are back in the lineup tonight. Here is the rest of the lines shook out…



    1st PP unit: Letang, Malkin, Crosby, Neal & Kunitz
    2nd PP unit: Niskanen, Iginla, Bennett, Dupuis & Morrow

    OK, back to baseball..

  24. cmat0829 says:

    Let’s go with 100 on each:

    1) UNDER… Wood is tough, no idea what direction the wind is blowing though.. hope I lose this one.

    2) OVER… they’ll have to score 7 or 8 on Sunday to make it happen but they need to bust out sooner or later

    3) UNDER… I’d love to see a sweep but beating Samadija is a tough thing to do.

  25. JaxBuc says:

    Please sir, may I have 100 sustainable shuttlecocks on each of the three lines?
    Line #1: UNDER
    Line #2: UNDER
    Line #3: UNDER

  26. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Sorry I haven’t gotten back to your email yet.
    Crazy week.
    I’ll have the bumper sticker in the mail by Monday at the very latest.
    Thanks again!!

  27. Jandy says:

    +many lol

  28. pattonbb says:

    I think Puig was coming soon regardless to who was hurt. Not sure what kind of player he’ll turn out to be, but he’s a lot of fun to watch.

  29. pattonbb says:

    Line 1 – 100 OVER
    Line 2 – 100 UNDER
    Line 3 – 1,000,000,000….er….I mean 100 UNDER

  30. pattonbb says:

    You failed to mention the .400 BA.

  31. Kevin says:

    uhoh.. I hope paulie martin is ok. pretty sure he’s been our best (most solid) D so far. plus doesn’t he usually take up 25-30 mins per game?

  32. TCB says:

    Line #1 under 100
    Line #2 under 100
    Line #3 under 100

  33. pattonbb says:

    Gerrit Cole Tuesday at PNC?

    Rob B thinks there’s a chance.

  34. Bizrow says:

    No, he didn’t say anything about a reason

  35. Bizrow says:

    Line 1 – 100 over
    Line 2 – 100 over
    Line 3 – yeah, 100 over

    Bets like these are why I’m where I am ;-)

    Thanks Playoffs

  36. Jandy says:

    Kevin, yeah he gets minutes close to Letang’s minutes. I’m hoping it’s just maintenance…

  37. Jandy says:

    that would be soooo cool!

  38. Jandy says:

    Mr. Playoffs, kind sir, please give me 100 units on the under for all three lines.

    I’m getting closer to Biz’s total, YIKES!

  39. Jim S. says:

    Ugh! Tough week for that.

  40. tdb1977 says:

    100 units on the under for line 1
    100 units on the under for line 2
    100 units on the under for line 3

  41. tdb1977 says:

    And I will be there! Hope so.

  42. Jim S. says:

    “Cheap and easy and way past its prime.” We are still talking baseball, right? Just want to make sure I didn’t wander into the wrong chat room.

  43. Brad, Indiana PA says:

    Misskanen still in? Malkin still on point. If so, time to ignore blatantly obvious bad ideas. Still. Yet.

    Sorry, baseball thread.

  44. Jim S. says:

    Can’t we every miss that $*&@#% guy, Smardzija? He’d pitch a 2nd day in a row if it meant getting a shot at the Bucs.

    We’ve faced the Cubs 3 series’ now. That is 9 games. 1/5 of 9 means, on average, we would have faced him less than 2x. But, we got him 3. I know you have to face who you have to face, and that is how it is. But, it would be nice to miss him once this year.

  45. Jandy says:

    tdb, you live in Altoona?

  46. Jim S. says:

    You forgot “With a .525 BABIP.”

  47. Jim S. says:

    Really? I thought the general consensus among the Super Two crowd was the 15th or so, at the earliest. Regardless, seems like it is happening soon. What a potential shot in the arm to the team if this kid shows up and pitches well.

  48. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Why be careful? He’ll be somewhere else next year.

  49. Jim S. says:

    But, we need him for another 100+ games this year.

  50. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Someone’s a little upset today……..nice. Firery Friday.

  51. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Line 1: 100 on over

    Line 2: 100 on under

    Line 3: 100 on over

  52. Jim S. says:

    Is he another Cespedes? He seems sustainable.

  53. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Or anybody else….ridiculous what he’s doing right now….NO hitter can sustain that fire.

    Good for him though and its just the shot in the arm the Dodgers need.

    I’m supposed to hate those guys because the wife is a diehard Giants fan. Hard to hate Matty though

  54. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Cespedes is BA man, I watch the A’s to watch him play, total beast (as my teenager would say).

  55. Joey Mellons says:

    100 and under on all three lines.

  56. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Works for me if the time table (super 2) status is over, otherwise, might has well wait.

  57. pattonbb says:

    No, I leave those imaginary stats alone. :)

  58. pattonbb says:

    I think those super 2 dates are a guess for the most part. If they don’t take this series against the Cubbies, then it’s time to bring him up. Put the pitcher out there that gives you the best chance to win, super 2 date be damned.

  59. KJX says:

    Line 1: 100 Under
    Line 2: 100 Under
    Line 3: 100 Under

  60. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I doubt he’ll make that many pitching performances……

  61. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    That’s the wrong direction.

  62. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Possible guess by us, but there are actual dates that the number crunchers know of.

  63. Arriba Wilver says:

    In honor of the Pirates’ first day game in Wrigley this year, and the 30th anniversary (late April) of Lee Elia’s rant about Cubs fans who come out to day games, I thought I would link it here. It’s the bleeped version, which means about half of it is bleeped, but you can find an unbleeped one if you’re interested.

    I’m guessing if Iassogna was umpiring back then he would have tossed him. :-)

  64. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not really. Still estimates (good ones) by even the number crunchers, because the top 22% of players with over 2 but less than 3 years of service won’t be known for awhile. One of the initial holdups in the negotiations last year for Walker signing longterm reportedly was the issue of whether he would be a Super 2. He thought he would, they didn’t. He ended up being right, but at the time no one could be sure.

  65. pattonbb says:

    “Eighty-five percent of the &*%@?!@ world is working. The other fifteen come out here”.


  66. Bizrow says:

    Working or at work?? Those can be two entirely different scenarios ;-)

    Bucs pick JaCoby Jones, CF, from LSU with 3rd round choice, the stuff on him says high upside but inconsistent as all get out

  67. NMR says:


  68. pattonbb says:

    Sounds like it’s a done deal. Can’t imagine what that crowd will be like.

  69. Milo Hamilton says:

    And he can run back kicks !

  70. NMR says:

    Gotta love the calm, cool, and collected approach from Neal & Co.

    The next GM and Director of Player Development are going to have some pretty good putty to mold.

  71. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    You’re right…….my “actual” was supposed to be estimates. Which is a fancy term for “guess.”

  72. cmat0829 says:

    lets hope the Pirate offfense is upset and fiery this Friday… they have some runs to score.

  73. NMR says:

    Thanks for that AW!

  74. First non-HS kid they’ve picked.

  75. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    where are you getting this? Would love to read it…I’m excited to see what he brings to the big boys

  76. DJ says:

    Well I see now everyone left the “corrupted” hockey thread to post here.

    Would love to see Depres in the line-up tonight. Like the switch of Kennedy for Vitale as well.

  77. Bizrow says:

    I think college kids in these rounds sign for less $$, so they can overpay later on?

  78. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    My hope is that we go the ENTIRE draft without picking up a single Short-Stop.
    I want to see Barmes here well into his 50’s.

  79. Bizrow says:

    Dejan just tweeted DB goes to the top of the Rangers coaching candidates if he is canned. I hope he is not

  80. Lad9 says:


    Line 1 Over
    Line 2 Under
    Line 3 Under

    Will take all three for 100 lempira please kind sir. Thank and Go Buccos and Pens!

  81. pattonbb says:

    This GM and Director of Player Development have probably already been extended. They’ll announce it in November.

  82. Jandy says:

    tell me about it!!! lol

  83. Bizrow says:

    Isn’t he already there??

  84. pattonbb says:

    Thought he already was in his 50’s

  85. Bizrow says:

    This is amazing, 4 draft picks and not a one high school RHP.

    What has gotten into NH?

  86. Sounds about right with the slotting the way it is.

  87. Milo Hamilton says:

    Your goal is to win a Stanley Cup. Who exactly is out there gives you a better chance to do that than the guy you just fired ? You have to have a pretty good answer to that question before you can the guy you already have. I’m not saying that guy doesn’t exist, I just haven’t come up with the name yet.

  88. Bizrow says:

    + many

  89. pattonbb says:

    That’s what the NY Post is saying. Hope it doesn’t happen.

  90. He grabbed all of the last year. There are none left.

  91. Bizrow says:

    2 goals in 3 1/2 games, Rask stops 50 shots last game, thats not on DB, IMHO

  92. Bizrow says:

    + 1

  93. Arriba Wilver says:

    :-D Right up there with Lasorda’s “What’s my opinion of Kingman’s performance?” rant.

  94. NMR says:

    Amen, Milo.

    One thousand times over.

  95. Kevin says:

    I could not imagine DB in NY. On the other hand, if they want the exact opposite of Torts.

  96. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    The local high school here has 4-5 players looking for phone calls today. Awesome, awesome program and my son is getting ready to be a freshman.

    The only problem is we won’t be here for baseball season. The tough part of the job, make roots and then pull them up and start over.

  97. NMR says:

    Ha! Stranger things, I suppose.

    Not necessarily criticizing any of these picks, but it’s wild to think that these guys could progress through the minors at normal speed and still never play with Andrew McCutchen.

    Maybe it’s just me, but this is the first draft in the Huntington era where the fan in me wants to screw potential for a quick path to the bigs.

  98. Sisyphus says:

    No, there really isn’t. There are just educated guesses. A percentage of rookies who come up during this seaseon will become Super Twos (used to be 17%, I think it’s 22% now). There just isn’t any way to predict how many rookies will come up in a given year, or when they’ll come up.

  99. NMR says:

    Only up to Round 10, I believe. Then the slate is wiped clean.

    Makes you wonder if the Bucs think any of their first round guys will be tough signs?

  100. Bizrow says:

    4th round pick Cody Dickson, Sam Houston State, LHP – Dickson had an up-and-down season at Sam Houston State, but improved his draft stock by pitching well toward the end of the season. Dickson is a tall, projectable lefty that throws his fastball mostly in the low 90s but could see an uptick of velocity with added weight. He has a very good three-pitch mix that includes a changeup that has the chance to be plus. He goes right after hitters and has a very good feel for pitching. The chance to get a projectable left-hander with the potential to have two above-average pitches will most likely be too much for many teams to pass up on in the early rounds.

  101. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Yup agree….

  102. Arriba Wilver says:

    But if the guy you have isn’t getting it done, with a stacked lineup, what do you do?
    Dejan, hardly a DB hater, listed a lot of questions that need answered. I’m sure there are guys out there we aren’t even thinking about. (That’s pretty much the whole universe for me, but you get my drift).

  103. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Hey, I wanted Manny Machado a couple of years ago, but then, I also wanted Buster Posey in 08, what do I know?

  104. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Thank you.

  105. NMR says:

    In hindsight, makes me wonder how much the Super 2 situation really affects the Pirates with Cole.

    He’s not signing an extension, which means there’s about a 95% chance he’s gone by ST of his final year anyways. Seems like another team’s problem.

  106. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Is that different than any other year? I like this draft so far, personally.

  107. Arriba Wilver says:

    After the 10th round isn’t it $100 K a guy, or a round?

  108. blazer says:

    I’ll take the under for all 3 for 100 on each please!

  109. Bizrow says:

    You are right AW, any pick after round 10 that gets over 100K counts towards the cap, under 100k, doesn’t count.

  110. NMR says:

    Agree with everything but your first sentence.

    All sports are littered with examples of “stacked lineups” that in the end were not built to win. Really surprised this hasn’t been talked about much with the Pens.

  111. Bizrow says:

    Good luck to them all

  112. Arriba Wilver says:

    They have expressed having financial issues with paying arbitration rates in the past, so I think it does affect them to have an extra year of arbitration, because those numbers mount up real quickly.

  113. Keith says:

    UNDER x 3. Too optimistic, linemaker!

  114. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Projections by previous years time table.

  115. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    YOU GOT IT!!!

  116. Milo Hamilton says:

    I pay no attention to the draft. Lucky will let me know when one of them gets here.

  117. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    The manager expects 2 to sign, others to move on to college. One has a full ride to Oregon State, which is one of the premier programs in the country right now too.

    Freakin’ flame thrower at 165lbs.

  118. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Window is now CLOSED.
    Good Luck to all who played today!!!

  119. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I do more now that I have a kid that is approaching high school and could get there.

  120. pattonbb says:

    Travis Wood can be tough. Need the wind to blow out during the top of the inning, and in during the bottom.

  121. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m pretty much going with the “Shero will know what to do” answer. I just think the fact WE can’t come up with a name isn’t a bar to getting rid of Bylsma, although I get the sentiment. This is (will be?) 4 years in a row, and this one an epic one if things don’t turn some. Bylsma has to have SOME responsibility for 2 goals.

  122. NMR says:

    Excellent point, AW.

  123. Milo Hamilton says:

    The way they’re hitting it could be Natalie Wood and it wouldn’t make a difference.

  124. Bizrow says:

    Well, not sure if the PBC brought their sticks to Chicago today, 3 up, 3 down

  125. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    95 MPH from a lefty is a good thing.

  126. Milo Hamilton says:

    I disagree Wilver. If you’re going to fire a guy that has won a Cup for you it does need to be that obvious. But that’s me, I hate change.

  127. tdb1977 says:


  128. Jandy says:

    Unfair or not, DB has to take responisiblity. You can fire the coach, you can’t fire the whole team. (I am a DB supporter)

    AW, I say we look within. Billy Guerin or Granato to name two.
    Alan Vignault is available too.

  129. Arriba Wilver says:

    No problem. To me (a casual, I like the Pens, hockey fan), it seems like he won the Cup by adding an offensive strategy to the team that was overly defense oriented, based on the personnel. I’m hardly a hater, but I am starting to get the complaints that he’s stubborn. And there are explanations every year, but it’s not like he’s brought them to the Conference Championship Round every year. And this year, like I said, is an epic fail (assuming things continue as they are). I just don’t think the Cup year immunizes him at this point.

  130. pattonbb says:

    Liriano’s swing and miss looked better than Pedro’s.

  131. theplanisworking says:

    Lindy Ruff.

  132. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’d be at the top of my list. I like Guy Boucher too, must be the scar.

  133. NMR says:

    “…the team that was overly defense oriented, based on the personnel.”

    This is the point I, as a casual fan as well, can’t wrap my head around.

    Seems like everyone is blaming Bylsma for being unable to make the current group of players something they’re not.

    I admittedly don’t know the answer, but it surprises me that nobody seems to be questioning whether or not the personell acquired were really the right mix in the first place.

  134. Milo Hamilton says:


  135. Arriba Wilver says:

    How’s the wind blowing? I mean the actual wind, at Wrigley Field. :-)

  136. Bizrow says:

    PBC 5th round pick Trae Arbet SS – This SoCal high school middle infielder was making a little bit of noise as the Draft approached. Arbet is a solid all-around player on both sides of the ball and has a good amount of athleticism working in his favor. He has pretty good bat speed with some gap-to-gap pop. An average runner, he’s a solid defender with decent actions, range and arm. Some feel he’s better suited for second, while some believe he has the goods to stick at shortstop. A team that believes the latter, and feels the athleticism will play at the next level, could take him in the first few rounds.

  137. Milo Hamilton says:

    Howling straight in.

  138. Bizrow says:

    So Marte makes an error and Soriano only gets to first, what does that tell you about AS?

  139. NMR says:

    Boucher would be SUCH a typical NHL move.

    NHL recycles more than Waste Management.

  140. NMR says:

    What did he do, just flat-out drop the ball?

  141. theplanisworking says:

    I am just saying I dont buy into this “we cant get rid of a coach, because we dont know if we can anyone better” logic. Sports history is dotted with examples of good coaches being let go, and better coaches coming in.

    Dont know if I would like Vignault, he underachieved with Vancouver…………… yes, yes I know he had great regular seasons (sound familiar?)

    But lets not put the Hippo in front of the cart here. ;)

  142. Milo Hamilton says:

    Actually, if you picture Soriano in left field, that’s exactly what it looked like. Very nonchalant. Clanged right off his glove.

  143. Bizrow says:

    I don’t know, am just watching stats on ESPN

  144. Milo Hamilton says:

    I guess we can say he’s officially a mess right now if he’s taking it out in the field with him.

  145. Jandy says:

    :sending good vibes:

  146. NMR says:

    Ah yes, that’s the kind of focus you want to see from a guy mired in a month-long slump.

  147. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    There you go lunatics…a SS

  148. Milo Hamilton says:

    They have Reese McGuire’s coach on the phone. They made 2 outs during his 1st answer.

  149. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Could be why he’s in that slump. Still a young kid. The early success might’ve gotten him lazy…

    or he’s seen Pedro

  150. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:


  151. 21sthebest says:

    Didn’t look nonchalant to me at all. Looked like he’s having trouble with the sun like Cutch did last inning and like Sweeney just did.

  152. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Agree. I think the Pirates have him for 5 years max.

    But look at some of the arbitration rates for pitching.

  153. Milo Hamilton says:

    If you were a teacher you would grade on a curve. :)

  154. 21sthebest says:

    That’s cute and all but I didn’t think he was nonchalant at all.

  155. JRay3 says:

    Well it appears they forgot to pack the bats when they headed to Chicago. At some point this team has to break out right?

  156. Milo Hamilton says:

    Condescending much ?

  157. Bizrow says:

    Check with the Pens ;-)

  158. 21sthebest says:

    Just returning the favor.

  159. pattonbb says:

    Anyone see Rob B’s article about Cole maybe coming up? NH’s quote at the end is the kind of stupid wordplay that drives me crazy. ““We expect that the starter for Tuesday will come from within”.

    What kind of crap is that? Within what?

  160. pattonbb says:

    He took a bad angle (I love saying that. Makes me sound like I know what I’m talking about).

  161. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Always a problem with a day game in Chicago. I’m sure the wind has nothing to do with it either.

  162. TCB says:

    I have seen no indication that the lack of hitting is a mirage. They continue to put 1 bad at bat after another.

    Recently 2 hits in a inning is a rally.

  163. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    The system. Why play is hand right now?

  164. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    It does. This game is about angles.

  165. pattonbb says:

    Within the system? Oh, so he’s not going to trade for a starter. Makes perfect sense. What hand does he have to play?

    Not trying to be a smart aleck Ryan, I swear. Just tired of NH’s vague/dumb answers.

  166. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Eh, they all do it…..yes, he stated the obvious, nothing new there.

    Well, the hand would be a scouting one. As of now, the Giants are up in the air as to who they will face and the advance scouts can’t get the information on their opponent.

    Kinda like a football coach not letting anyone know until the “game time decision” on a hurt player.

    all part of it. Sorry it bothers you.

  167. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah, be careful. It’s all hearts & flowers around here.

  168. Bizrow says:

    The other paper is reporting the same thing, highly likely that Cole will debut

    Cole isn’t currently on the 40 man, is he? They are going to have to cut several guys in the near future

    Not that it wouldl be that hard, just sayin they are going to have to

  169. You’re just now tired of those or has it been a while? Because, if it’s the former, you’re late to the party.


  170. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1 There was a hint of that in the games in Atlanta.

  171. Arriba Wilver says:

    or Tabby

  172. Bizrow says:

    Cole will have to be added

    Irwin, Kartsy and Morton are on the 60 day DL

  173. NMR says:

    How much is Sawchick getting paid per John Hart reference? Jeebus.

  174. NMR says:

    With you on this one.

    I’ve read, literally, the same exact quote from the Rangers and Orioles GM’s this year already.

  175. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’ve been tired of NH’s vague, dumb answers for years. And I agree with patton. Only difference I assumed they wouldn’t tell us until they had to. Still what a vague, dumb answer. I don’t know if they all do it. But I assume the people who always say that they all do don’t know, either.

  176. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    BTW, let’s not mention the thing that’s not supposed to be mentioned that’s going on in chicago right now with Liriano.

    too early?

  177. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    He must be watching MLB Network…..

  178. 21sthebest says:

    Then they shouldn’t ask dumb questions.

  179. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Irwin the new move? Thought the other 2 were already on the 60?

  180. Bizrow says:

    PBC 6th pick, Adam Frazier SS Mississippi State – In a Draft light on college shortstops, Frazier stands out despite his lack of elite tools. He was a member of the Collegiate National Team last summer, though he wasn’t the starting shortstop. Frazier, out of Mississippi State, has excellent plate discipline and uses a quick stroke to hit line drives to all fields. Listed at 5-foot-11, 174 pounds, Frazier has minimal power and is unlikely to ever develop much. He is a heady player and uses his instincts well on the basepaths and in the field. While he doesn’t wow observers with his glove, Frazier is a steady

    Two SS and still no high school RHP?

  181. 21sthebest says:

    That was supposed to go under patton.

  182. As long as he stays a little wild, that’ll keep the hitters on their heels enough that he might get it. At this rate, he’ll walk 9 if he goes the distance.

  183. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Sabean is even worse…….doesn’t say much of anything

  184. Bizrow says:

    Last sentence oops – presence with an average arm at shortstop.

  185. Arriba Wilver says:

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  186. pattonbb says:

    “Who’s starting for you Tuesday?” isn’t a dumb question. If he struggles answering that one, it’s not the questions that make him look dumb.

  187. NMR says:


  188. Forget it. Travis Wood is a good-hitting pitcher.

  189. pattonbb says:

    you ruined it. :)

  190. NMR says:

    No chance that they haven’t made up their mind yet huh?

    Nope. None at all.

  191. 21sthebest says:

    And we’re not sure what they’ve told Cole at this point.

  192. NMR says:

    Honestly, the things that get people wound up…

  193. Sisyphus says:

    How do you feel about Bylsma’s? Or Tomlin’s?

  194. pattonbb says:

    I know I’m beating a dead horse with this. My problem wasn’t with NH not telling who was starting. I get all of that. My problem was with the dumb “…from within” quote.

    I’ll move on.

  195. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s 82 pitches for Liriano. This will be his last inning.

  196. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    ha ha…spoke too soon…

  197. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    You think?

  198. Shame. He’s walked 5 and thrown a WP. He hasn’t hit a batter yet.


  199. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    5 walks and 5 strikeouts does not help ones pitch count.

  200. pattonbb says:

    Coaches are totally different. Apples and oranges. I’m talking about a GM. NH fails miserably if you want to compare his pressers or interviews to Shero and Colbert.

    Man, I am sounding like such an anti-Neal person today. I’m going to brag on him about something a little later just to balance it out.

  201. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Clint Barmes?

  202. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Good for Jordy on the double….bring him in!

  203. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I know, I know

  204. Wood’s pitch count is high, too.

  205. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    But I digress

  206. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Agree, but we all have our pet peeves.

  207. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    ahhh, an RBI…nice

  208. JRay3 says:

    Bucs catch a break with Sanchez who should have been called out on strikes, Martin makes good of the chance to make sure Pirates get one.

  209. Is Gaby that slow that he didn’t score from 1st with 2 outs or was Martin’s ball hit that hard or a combination of the two?

    Can’t tell much from Gameday Mini.

  210. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Gunner used to say “effectively wild”.

  211. Milo Hamilton says:

    Soriano got there in really good shape. They would have been taking a real chance sending him. He is that slow.

  212. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I like that. Never heard him announce.

  213. NMR says:

    Guilty as charged.

  214. Arriba Wilver says:

    Uh, wouldn’t the easy answer be, then, we haven’t made up our minds? Nah, that’s too easy, and accurate.

  215. Frankie says:

    Worst announcers in baseball

  216. pattonbb says:

    Combination of both I’d say. Soriano got there and came up throwing. Gaby…not so fast.

  217. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Not known for his speed.

  218. That’s what I thought.

  219. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Does Liriano bat this inning?? See what happens in front of him.

    Get em on, get em over, get em in!

  220. JRay3 says:

    Although he struggled with some control and made things more stressful on himself a solid six inning turned in by Liriano today, time to take advantage of Cubs pen.

  221. pattonbb says:

    Does Liriano hit for himself, then get replaced?

  222. Milo Hamilton says:

    They let him hit. That wacky Clint.

  223. NMR says:

    Just wanted to thank you for the updates today, Biz.

  224. Arriba Wilver says:

    Nobody else is hitting. Why not? :-)

  225. NMR says:

    Let’s hope.

  226. NMR says:

    Where is James McDonald when you need him…

  227. Milo Hamilton says:


  228. Milo Hamilton says:

    Probably fishing.

  229. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hope he doesn’t wear out his starters pitching them so many innings.

  230. JRay3 says:

    I stand corrected as Clint allows the SP to push deeper and is rewarded with seven solid innings of work from Liriano on 110 pitches of work. Only asking pen for six outs following off day big bonus.

  231. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Pitch count update?

  232. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    thank you

  233. pattonbb says:


  234. Milo Hamilton says:

    110 / 62 strikes.

  235. pattonbb says:

    Jordy with his 2nd double of the day

  236. Arriba Wilver says:

    And Neal got him for only $1 mil. (Sorry, couldn’t resist) :-P

  237. Milo Hamilton says:

    Is your avatar Ed Ott ?

  238. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Thanks guys, this should be his last inning.

  239. NMR says:


  240. pattonbb says:

    Yes sir. The one and only.

  241. JRay3 says:

    If he continues to hit with this offense struggling, have to plug him in more and play the bat. Disappointing to leave him out there with chances given to Cutch and Sanchez.

  242. Milo Hamilton says:

    Felix Millan thanks you. :)

  243. JRay3 says:

    Are we seriously staring at another 1-0 ballgame? That would be five in last few weeks, something tells me Elias could be getting busy researching last time or frequency of that happening.

  244. Parrothead01 says:

    The Pirates are fast morphing into the worst hitting team in baseball. It’s a good thing they did play Mercer today or it would really be bad,

  245. pattonbb says:

    Felix Milan, batting helmets, Rob Dibble….

  246. 21sthebest says:

    Clint refers to these games as World Cup baseball.

  247. 21sthebest says:

    OMG, and Neverett said just that.

  248. NMR says:

    Absolutely. No other team is even close. No hyperbole there at all.

  249. Lad9 says:

    +1 One of my favorites…. Great choice for an avatar

  250. Kevin says:

    assuming thats a football analogy.

  251. JRay3 says:

    Just another day at the office an another hold for Melancon, nothing to see here.

  252. Thundercrack says:

    I’ve been in the car most of the day. So very glad that Nevrett is on TV

  253. Arriba Wilver says:

    We’re doomed.

  254. Milo Hamilton says:

    This umpire’s name is Jordan Baker. He’s really bad.

  255. Milo Hamilton says:

    If we keep letting these starters work all these innings, we are !

  256. Arriba Wilver says:

    Are you suggesting it’s not sustainable?

  257. Milo Hamilton says:


  258. 21sthebest says:

    I seem to have this knack lately for getting Neverett regardless of where I’m listening/watching. So if it’s him on radio, I’ve been listening to the opponents guys on the app.

  259. Naje says:

    OH NO! Wilson may finish the game today, but Grilli just HAD to warm up….idiot Hurdle.

  260. Milo Hamilton says:

    We are doomed, aren’t we.

  261. Thundercrack says:

    It was a 1-0 game. Why wouldn’t you use your closer?

  262. 21sthebest says:

    Why was your infield back looking for a DP with a runner on third in a 1-0 game in the 9th?

  263. Naje says:

    because his arm WILL fall off in mid July….no?

  264. Thundercrack says:

    Wehner just asked the same thing.

    And he blamed Barney for them not getting the DP. He was playing too far back

  265. Milo Hamilton says:

    If I were a Cubs fan I’d really like to hear the answer to that one.

  266. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I know everbody wants the big inning, but this is baseball at its finest. 2-0 game, best closer on the mound, right now…….

    This is baseball.

  267. Thundercrack says:

    Grilli hasn’t pitched since Tuesday.

    And I want wins.

    And I am not buying the ‘tired bullpen’…not now

  268. JRay3 says:

    Behind seven shutout innings turned in by Liriano, another hold for Melancon and a league leading 23rd save from Grilli who remains perfect in attempts, the Pirates defeat the Cubs 2-0 and there was noooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Pirates snap their three game skid and improve to 11 games above .500 at 36-25. The shutout victory is the tenth this year for the Bucs tops in the majors. The victory also moves the Bucs four games ahead of the Giants and Rockies for last playoff position. The Pirates resume to action tomorrow afternoon in the middle game of the set with AJ Burnett making the start.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  269. Naje says:

    TC…I’m joking… sorry you didn’t get that…

  270. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    You would think they were 11 games under .500 at times.

  271. Bizrow says:

    + 1

  272. 21sthebest says:

    Looks like Teke is now back from the draft. You did a great job Teke and thanks so much!

  273. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Is that who represented the Pirates? That’s awesome.

  274. pattonbb says:

    well said!

  275. 21sthebest says:

    I suppose so. He was sitting at the draft table scribbling last night pretending to do work.

  276. Brandie says:

    Whatever gets the W.

  277. Thundercrack says:

    Sorry about that Naje.

    And I wasn’t wagging my finger at you :-)

  278. cmat0829 says:

    Very important W today, boys and girls… staying away from long losing streaks is key… and the offense is doing all it can to have a long losing streak.. but the pitching won’t let it happen.

    A few points:

    1) Mercer is gonna get a lot of the starts at SS now… I said a week or so ago it is time for Mercer to get 2/3 of the starts and that may indeed happen. His defense has looked good and Barmes is just hopeless at the plate right now.

    2) Good for Clint to tax the starter vs. the bullpen today… though 110 pitches is really not all that taxing…Liriano certainly looks like the real deal to me, regardless of how much we have to pay him.

    3) Give Wood his due, he is a solid ML starter. But I pretty much threw everything that isn’t bolted down over how the Bucs hitters approached Villanueva. I don’t think he threw anything but 80MPH breaking pitches and the Pirates hitters did not adjust ONE IOTA. Neil Walker comes to mind… he was way too anxious in his atbat.. the Cubs were being incredibly STUPID to play the infield back and Neil had an obnoxiously horrible at bat…striking out. I also am livid that Pedro didnt go the other way in the 9th (though he did get a hit) with a huge shift on… with the offense struggling they need to take what the other team gives you …. no excuses.

    I know at some point the offense will click again…Cutch/Jones/Walker/Sanchez/Snider/Marte…these guys have the ability…it isn’t like we are sitting back and waiting for the likes of Overbay/McLouth/Brandon Moss to start hitting… um, yea.

  279. pattonbb says:

    To my fellow “out of the area” Pirate fans, MLB announced it will be broadcasting Tuesday night’s game against the Giants. Some new kid from Indy might be starting, too.

  280. Sounds good to me. No church that night, either.

  281. Jack Laurence says:

    If you measure the 15 teams in the National League by the number of runs they have scored and the number of runs they have allowed, the Pirates have compiled some interesting stats. They have given up the fewest runs in the league = 209. That’s the result of some superb pitching and solid defense, especially in the outfield. (McCutchen, Marte and Snider are catching well-hit balls that might have fallen safely for other teams.)
    At the same time, the Bucs’ offense has scored only 222 runs, which is currently12th among NL teams. It gives the Pirates a runs-per-game ratio of plus 0.21, down from +0.40 two weeks ago. The result is a larger than usual number of close games, two-thirds of which they are winning. In games decided by two or one runs, the Pirates’ record is 26-13. (In one-run games it is 11-9.)
    A surprising stat to emerge yesterday is that the Bucs are 7-0 in games played after the team has had a day off. Maybe it’s a fluke, but it lends support to the manager’s strategy of giving his key players regular days off through the season.

  282. Bob Hasis says:

    He couldn’t spell Letterman, so he used Leno for his really weak point

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