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Final: Mets 4, Pirates 2

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (56-36) vs. New York Mets (40-50)

Starters: RHP Gerrit Cole vs. RHP Dillon Gee

Time: 1:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Jordy Mercer, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Jose Tabata, RF
  6. Garrett Jones, 1B
  7. Michael McKenry, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Cole, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel is on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Playoffs by 2012 says:
    July 14, 2013 at 5:16 am Literally just got back to the homestead from the 5 hour drive back from PNC.
    Met up with Johnny Ray 3 at the game. Helluva nice guy!
    Good times!!

    If I could get one of you to re-post the Sunday Pick ‘Em for me, I’d really appreciate it.
    No chance I’m going to be awake in time to post it myself.
    I’ll update the standings sometime this evening.

    Total Hits by the Pirates in today’s game
    0 – 4 (DOUBLE ODDS)
    5 – 8 (EVEN ODDS)
    9 – 12 (EVEN ODDS)
    13 – 16 (DOUBLE ODDS)
    17 or More (TRIPLE ODDS)

    GOOD LUCK!!!

  2. Bill Born says:

    100 on the 5 -8 line Please.

  3. Karen22 says:

    100 on 5-8.

    Into the break on a streak of the right sort! LET’S GO BUCS!!

  4. blazer says:

    100 on the 9-12 please. Looking for my broom right now…..

  5. Chico says:

    50 on the 9-12 please!

  6. Jason81 says:

    100 on 9-12, please!

  7. bizrow says:

    100 on 13-16

    Thanks as always

    Beat Em Bucs

    Go like 60

  8. 21sthebest says:

    Melancon is replacing Locke on Tuesday.

  9. Karen22 says:


  10. Lad9 says:

    Sweet! Very good choice.

    Karen I was catching up on the blog and congrats on the great wedding! Sounds like a memorable event.

  11. Brandie says:

    Please post 50 Bazooka Joe comics on 5-8. Thank you.

  12. Dadtackular says:

    100 Brooms on 9-12

  13. Lad9 says:

    100 Gee-units on 9-12 hits. Thank you Playoffs and Lucky. Go Buccos!

  14. Lad9 says:

    Brandie! Happy Sunday to you and yours. Looks like a great day to break out the brooms and sweep the Metropolitans back to the big apple.

  15. Thundercrack says:

    He’s going to be tired……………..

  16. Brandie says:

    Watch out. It’s Rad Lad on the mic calling for a Saw-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

  17. Karen22 says:

    Merci beaucoup! Considering most of the bridal party (son included) are theater people and performers of one sort or another, as well as many of the guests…wellll…memorable indeed!! :)

  18. cherokee23 says:


  19. Brandie says:

    Nice to see you have recovered. You radiate such good vibes. Nice news on Melancon.

  20. Brandie says:

    His arm will fall off.

  21. tdb1977 says:

    He will have to lay on his back and pitch using his leg and foot since his arm will fall off.

  22. Karen22 says:

    Good almost-afternoon, Brandie. I’m a Mini-Me also. Are we all “radiant?!” :)

  23. Joey Mellons says:

    100 on 9-12 hits.

  24. TJ says:

    I don’t know about any of you; and I’m not going into right and wrong or guilty or not guilty but I really wish that these glorified atheletes would take responsibility for their comments they make on twitter.

    It absolutely disgusts me the way some of these guys talk on twitter. James Harrison is one guy I’m glad is no longer associated with the Steelers. All the legal trouble he has had and slapping women and never spent time behind bars wants to talk about the legal system.

    Teams need a social media policy in their contracts. I have one for the company I work for.

  25. TJ says:

    Since Melancon is replacing Locke does that essentially mean the Pirates had 5 all-stars with Liriano and Marte potential snubs?

  26. 21sthebest says:

    Apparently, Russell Martin is too tired today and needs a 5 day break from playing.

  27. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t view Liriano as a snub since he doesn’t have the innings to qualify as a stats leader.

  28. radio wave says:

    At playoffs and lucky: I will take 75 on the 5 to 8 hits line. Thank you

  29. Brandie says:

    “Radiant” ! Good Charlotte’s Web reference!

  30. Drew71 says:

    I hope the bottom three of the lineup doesnt create long – and bitter – memories.

    Well. Maybe that’s unfair.

    Cole could get a hit.

  31. Brandie says:

    Anything is possible!

  32. TJ says:

    Good point; but if thats your criteria why was Puig in the running for the last spot when he does not qualify?

  33. Brandie says:

    BTW nice reference to Phil Garner on the previous thread. 59 inches of Scrap Iron. I like it.

  34. Brandie says:

    Freeman may be out due to a jammed thumb. Please, any one but Puig.

  35. Drew71 says:

    She looks like him, too.

    It’s the ‘stache

  36. JAL says:

    USDA Works to Bench Baseball’s Unsplendid Splinters
    A government lab has been studying broken bats at Major League Baseball games to try and improve safety for players and fans.By Billy House

    Friday, July 12, 2013 | 2:25 p.m.
    Final passage of a farm bill may be up in the air. But with Major League Baseball set to hold its All-Star game Tuesday, the U.S. Agriculture Department wants a little fan love for solving a big problem: the broken baseball bat epidemic.

    The more-scientific name is “multiple-piece failure,” which the USDA says can pose a danger on the field and in the stands at baseball games. On Friday, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced the results of what is described as innovative research by the U.S. Forest Service, funded by MLB, to cut down on the dangers from splintering bats.

    “The U.S. Forest Products Laboratory has once again demonstrated that we can improve uses for wood products across our nation in practical ways-making advancements that can improve quality of life and grow our economy,” Vilsack said in a statement.

    The Agriculture Department reports that Forest Service researchers at the laboratory developed changes in manufacturing that have decreased the rate of shattered maple bats by more than 50 percent since 2008. That was the year the Safety and Health Advisory Committee of Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association began seeing a rise in the number of shattered bats during their games.

    Enter the Forest Products Laboratory, which formed a “wood grain trust” that has since made recommendations for new bat-making processes. As part of the research, wood experts at the lab examined every bat that was broken in games from July to September during the 2008 season, department officials said. They determined that a main cause of broken bats was the inconsistency of wood quality, primarily the manufacturing detail called “slope of grain,” which refers to the straightness of the wood grain along the length of a bat. Straighter grain lengthwise means less likelihood for breakage.

    Recommendations made by the Forest Service have included manufacturing changes to bat geometry dimensions, wood density restrictions, and wood-drying procedures. The recommendations have all contributed to decreases in multiple-piece failures.

    And this work is not over. The Forest Service research team has been watching video and recording details of every broken-bat event since 2009. And the team will continue monitoring video and studying broken bats collected during a couple of two-week periods this season.

    Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell said in a statement Friday that this work has “made the game safer for players as well as for fans.”

  37. JRay3 says:

    Good afternoon to the window from sec 130 on this beautiful kids day at PNC. Pleasure meeting you last night. Going to try to get back on track today.

    50 on 9-12

    Thanks and let’s get the sweep and head into break on 4 game winning streak. Go Bucs.

  38. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t think Puig should have been in the running.

  39. Brandie says:

    Are you channeling Henny Young man in some sort of way?

  40. cmat0829 says:

    100 on 9-12 thanks.

  41. Dave G says:

    At the risk of sounding nitpicky, didn’t Dejan just admonish someone for posting an article and tell him to please post a link instead?

  42. JAL says:

    Oh, this does not violate copyright law as it came in e-mail that allows those who get it to send it to anyone.

  43. Dave G says:

    It must appear that I’m picking on JAL today.
    Not true at all.
    He does an amazing job and is well respected here..

  44. JAL says:

    Usually yes, as posting articles violates copyright law. See my post above about this particular post.

  45. JAL says:

    Dave G never crossed my mind you were picking on me.

  46. pattonbb says:

    It won’t be Puig.

  47. pattonbb says:

    100 on 13-16

  48. Wondered that myself.

  49. Reading says:

    Given the booing of Wright all weekend, it won’t be surprising if Mets fans boo Pedro tomorrow night, even though he is from there.

  50. Thundercrack says:

    It is ruining our chance of ever being able to sign Wright if he becomes a free agent again

  51. pattonbb says:

    Like ATL WR Roddy White’s tweet that the jury and prosecutors should go home and kill themselves last night?

  52. 21sthebest says:

    I remember booing Rod Barajas once years ago.

  53. Lad9 says:

    Obviously you didn’t boo him enough!

  54. 21sthebest says:


  55. pattonbb says:

    Hope the bullpen’s ready to work today.

    Unless hes hurt, Martin should be catching Gerrit Cole. Only Martin.

  56. Jandy says:

    well, that wasn’t too bright :(

  57. Jandy says:

    Karen, glad all went well with the wedding. I hope you enjoyed every second of it :)

  58. Drew71 says:

    Where. Have. You. Been.

    I’ve gotten myself all worked up the last coupla days.

  59. Brandie says:


  60. Parrothead01 says:

    Do you think the league has figured out that the only pitch Cole can consistently throw for a strike is the fast ball and are sitting on it. It looks like he needs to go back down to better learn how to pitch. Pirates are 8 and 0 on games Gomez has started. Let him start for a while until Cole learns how to control his off speed pitches.

  61. Karen22 says:

    EVERY SECOND…and MILLIsecond! Beyond my wildest expectations!

  62. Reading says:

    Polanco fouls out to third in Futures game. Reminds me of Domonic Brown.

  63. Jandy says:

    Oh man, Drew Dahling, I’m so sorry! I did mention Thursday I was going to the Mayhem festival all day Friday. And I popped in Friday morning on the way there to remind everyone. My cell phone battery doesn’t last too long. I guess I need a new one…but then I was pretty hammered and can’t be sure WHAT I would have typed in that condition! lol

  64. Jandy says:


  65. Jandy says:

    I’m so happy for you!

  66. Drew71 says:


  67. Brandie says:

    Not sure if he has the confidence in his other pitches. One thing to remember, he is a young in’ and learning about the necessity of mixing up one’s pitches consistently is going to take time and consistent exposure.

    Also, consider that his catcher is McKenry today and not Martin, which,as we have seen time and time again this season makes a tremendous difference. Missing “Cadillac” Martin today.

  68. Jandy says:

    Wa-hoo Marte!!!!

  69. JRay3 says:

    Finally get to feel the energy of the crowd…Marte Partay gets the offense started with a rip.

  70. Jandy says:

    Yes, Martin coaxes those pitches out of Cole.

  71. Lad9 says:

    Great call on Cole Drew! He is the on base machine of the bottom third of the lineup. At least this bottom third.

  72. Jandy says:

    Jordy needs to keep it going

  73. cherokee23 says:

    anyone notice the quick exchange between Cole & the catcher as he crossed home plate? Did Cole hit him with backswing on the dribbler?

  74. Jandy says:


  75. Brandie says:

    Sounds like you let your hair down, Mother Theresa. Did you get possessed on Holy Water?

  76. Jandy says:

    Yeah well, he eased up too much going to first….always run it out hard

  77. Lad9 says:

    Jandy! Good to have the Blogmother back!

  78. Brandie says:

    Radster Ladster!

  79. Lad9 says:

    Just replayed and saw it. Bet you are right Cherokee. Awesome avatar btw.

  80. Brandie says:

    She makes us offers we can’t refuse. We think we’re out, and she pulls us back in!

  81. Reading says:

    Cole’s “hit” should have been an E-1. Cole was basically walking to first- no hustle at all. Gee didn’t neec to hurry throw. He could have set up and thrown Cole out by 20 feet. Good thing got a real hit.

  82. Jandy says:

    Good to see you, Lad Man!

  83. Jandy says:

    I missed you all ! Good to be on today :)

  84. Jandy says:

    Couple shots of 100 proof SoCo followed by a couple Michelob Ultras….MMMmMmmm yeah!

  85. Thundercrack says:

    Mayhem Festival?! That’s what we have here after some of DK’s columns.

    I hope you didn’t boo anyone there.

    (Which bands did you like best )

  86. Brandie says:

    I ended up passing Hippo’s pond as my husband and I tried to make our way to a festival which we gave up on due to sitting in the car for 7 hours for a 3 hour trip. So many bad accidents on Friday.

  87. Jandy says:

    Then I let 5 Finger Death Punch take me away…who needs Calgon? ;)

  88. Jandy says:

    TC, you ever hear of Amon Amarth? A Viking Rock band…they were very good…but I gotta say, 5 Finger Death Punch stole the slow…Attika was good too…and ZOMBIE wrapped things up. The ol’ fart still has it lol

  89. theplanisworking says:

    I feel like I am Gulliver in the land of the Lillyputten.

    Great news on Melancon!

  90. Jandy says:

    Ouch…yeah took us 3 hours to make a 2 hour trip to Burgettstown, PA. But it was well worth it! Sorry you had such bad luck ugh!

  91. Jandy says:

    Who listens to Dejan anyway? Like he says, this is OUR blog ;)

  92. theplanisworking says:

    When you have lost Mother Teresa, you have lost the war. ;)

  93. Brandie says:

    Not too bad. We stayed in a nice hotel. When out that way again, my husband suggested we let Hippo know so we can meet him. That won’t be for a while, though.

  94. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, makes you realize you really DO like that old comfy shoe you havent seen for a while…….. :)

  95. Lad9 says:

    No Hippo today yet. Hope someone lowered him from last night. Dying to hear what his news is…..

  96. Jandy says:

    Well, Mother Theresa is here :) How are ya Hipposter, my friend?

  97. Jandy says:

    Ours was just an all day thing. Left 9am and got home 1:30 am lol

  98. Jandy says:

    Uhhh,,,.thanks, I think lolol!

  99. Brandie says:

    She was “Schnockered”, not stranded on Mt. Fuji. Though with 100 proof SoCo in the mix, who knows?

  100. Lad9 says:

    Oops. There you are!

  101. Jandy says:

    What’s the news Hippo????????

  102. Brandie says:

    Ask and you shall receive…

  103. Jandy says:

    I was feeling no pain ;)

  104. Brandie says:

    Again, “Wooooooooo”, not boo. A Five Finger Death “Wooooooooo”.

  105. theplanisworking says:

    I am good.

    I told Brandie this weekend, I am a very busy Hippo…… and I have a meeting Tuesday that could reap me huge benefits.

    I will give you more details later this week. :)

  106. Arriba Wilver says:

    “All the legal trouble he has had and slapping women” That’s a bit of an exaggeration, I mean, if you actually look at the facts. Is there anything to support that beyond the one incident, which did involve an allegation of slapping a woman? Before anybody jumps and says, “you think he’s OK because of that?” No. But pretending like he had more of a legal record than he had isn’t fair, either. Maybe I’m missing something.

  107. theplanisworking says:

    As I told Brandie and Jandy………. I have a meeting Tuesday that could potentially be huge.

    I will give details later this week.

  108. Jandy says:

    Sending MORE strong good vibes your way, Hipposter!

  109. Brandie says:

    All Hail The 5 Finger Death Nun!

  110. theplanisworking says:

    Luv ya !!! ;)

  111. Thundercrack says:

    I’ve heard of some of them…haven’t heard any of the music
    You are my new hero. Plus I’m afraid of anyone who like 5 Finger Death Punch

  112. Jandy says:

    LOL Brandie! That sounds whack LOL

  113. Jandy says:


  114. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks Jandy!

    I will be passing by you Tuesday……. my meeting is in Pittsburgh. I will honk when I pass the Altoona exit. ;)

  115. Jandy says:

    Ahh man, those guys rock…and they fully support our troops. Their music is awesome!

  116. Jandy says:

    You do that….can you give me the company name? or is that jinxing it??

  117. Jandy says:

    barmes was robbed. Nice catch by their center fielder

  118. Brandie says:

    I will hear the honk as well as I live about 45 minutes away (which becomes a half hour when I have to drive the kids home to Altoona from Philipsburg). Good Luck, Plan. Just be yourself and you will bring home the W.

  119. Brandie says:

    Agreed, unfortunately.

  120. Jandy says:

    Here’s one from 5 Finger:

  121. theplanisworking says:

    Jinxing it. I am a “dont count your chickens” type of person, hence, I only give details once I am sure.

    Trust me, you guys and gals will know when the time is right.

  122. theplanisworking says:

    Brandie, you’re a fine gal. :)

  123. Brandie says:

    That’s what a 5 Finger Death Nun does, gets people “whacked”.

  124. Lad9 says:

    Good luck Hippo. If you are anywhere near the airport during the work day and need something please advise and we can work out a contact.

  125. Jandy says:

    woah didn’t expect it to do that!

  126. Jandy says:

    No worries, Hippo, go get ‘em!

  127. Brandie says:

    Sorry! “Thwapped”.

  128. Jandy says:

    Nun on a whack mission!

  129. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks, Laddy.

    Unfortunately, I wont be near the airport.
    Mostly South Hills…….. and of course coming in from the east.

    But, someday in the future, maybe a blog meeting may be in order for as many as want to come??

  130. Jandy says:

    You’re right, I do much better with thwaps!

  131. theplanisworking says:

    I think our nun is a “whack mission”……….. ;)

  132. Brandie says:

    I think the size 9’s are just lethal.

  133. Lad9 says:

    Completely agree on the blog meeting. I live in the South Hills ( Bethel Park) so still feel free.

  134. Jandy says:

    They get the job done!

  135. Jandy says:

    hey now, Hipposter, I resemble that remark!

  136. theplanisworking says:

    You know, I feel like a giant compared to you two, but even I am afraid od the 9 wides……….

  137. Brandie says:

    Dr. Thwappingston I presume?

  138. Brandie says:

    Where/are the bats, man?

  139. Jandy says:

    I was saying that to hubby. Man, our guys are MIA

  140. Jandy says:

    Nice Pedro!!!!!!

  141. theplanisworking says:

    You need to threaten them with the 9 wides !!!

  142. Brandie says:

    Have to figure out a way to remedy that. If someone needs to go for a stay at home bat to be added, please do so!

  143. Jandy says:

    OK I’m seeing great defense…where’s the OFFeNSe?????

  144. Brandie says:

    Lack of hitting, you say?

    By Gum, that’s thwappin’.

  145. Jandy says:

    Need to do something, Hippo! I’m gonna get ‘em ready!

  146. Jandy says:


  147. Brandie says:

    Should say That’s a thwappin’.

  148. Jandy says:

    Next month is Carnival of Madness with Shinedown, In This Moment, and papa Roach to name a few…gotta get our tickets!!!

  149. Jandy says:

    LOL you two are whack!

  150. theplanisworking says:

    I can just see it now, both of you…….. 63 inches of dynamite (and booze) running out on the field, kicking Bucs as they stand, then a certain Hippo has to come save your asses from the pokey……….

  151. Brandie says:

    Go Thwappinator!

  152. Jandy says:

    LOL! it’s a new movie!

  153. Brandie says:

    That certainly beats Thelma and Louise…Dynamite and Booze. Thanks for the bail, Hippo!

  154. theplanisworking says:

    Well, the offense is certainly offensive again today.

    Out for a bit……. be back in time for the 9th.

  155. theplanisworking says:

    Well, the offense is certainly offensive again today.

    Out for a bit……. be back in time for the 9th.

  156. Lad9 says:

    Sounds like a better plan than what we have going now. Black holes at C, 1B, SS. That is too many. Get to thwapping! And there it goes!

  157. Jandy says:

    Barmes with a double!

  158. Jandy says:


  159. Jandy says:

    C’mon Marte~

  160. Jandy says:

    Don’t be sucker !

  161. Brandie says:

    Fire up yer Thwapper.

  162. Reading says:

    The backward K- not exactly what we were looking for there.

  163. Brandie says:

    Offense is the difference between Par-tay and Party. Come on Matte!

  164. Jandy says:

    Grrr! Nearly swings at the sucker outside pitch then looks at one down the middle!~

  165. MadTurk says:

    I thought the ASH bat was more prone to breaking? Figures the government would study the maple bat.

  166. Reading says:

    I’m thinking Randazzo gave us one there on the “check” swing. Was hoping for a blast in the free swing. But not to be.

  167. Dave G says:

    Time for a rivershot…

  168. Reading says:

    Can somebody come through today? Come on Man!!

  169. Lad9 says:

    Damn! I think that was our shot.

  170. theplanisworking says:

    Ok, Hippo back.

    Time for a rally !!!

  171. Brandie says:

    Get it going, Hippo! Get out the Hippo Horn. Summon the troops!

  172. Jandy says:

    we had one going last inning…one one second and third, no outs, only scored one run

  173. Jandy says:

    and another hit by Barmes!

  174. Jandy says:

    He’s making our big guns look bad

  175. Jandy says:


  176. theplanisworking says:

    The Hippo Horn???

  177. Jandy says:

    This is it!!!! Jordy time

  178. Jandy says:


  179. Jandy says:

    yeah me too Reading

  180. Lad9 says:

    Damn. Plenty of opportunities. Nine LOB. And now we have to live through the break. Have a good evening all.

  181. Brandie says:

    Cue Sad Trombone.

  182. Brandie says:

    Catch ya later, Rad Lad!

  183. Jandy says:

    you too Lad :)

  184. theplanisworking says:

    Lower the Jolly Hippo.

    Great first half of the season.

    Need a bat desperately. If we dont get one, it could prove to be disasterous.

  185. theplanisworking says:

    Lower the Jolly Hippo.

    Great first half of the season.

    Need a bat desperately. If we dont get one, it could prove to be disasterous.

  186. theplanisworking says:

    Brandie, Jandy, good night, and see you tomorrow.

  187. Brandie says:

    At the sound of the gong, let the speculation on who will be shown the door recommence.

  188. Brandie says:

    Good luck again! We believe in yinz!

  189. Jandy says:

    Night Hipposter…enjoy your evening :)

  190. Jandy says:


  191. Jandy says:

    OK, gotta get the dog out…have a nice night everyone!

  192. Brandie says:

    See ya later, Mama!

  193. John Lease says:

    Gotta get my anger out. WHY let McKenry hit, when you pinch hit with Martin later? And then you pinch run for him anyways, insuring that turd McKenry would have to have continued playing if they’d tied it up?

  194. Arriba Wilver says:

    Took 2 of 3. End of story. Great “first half.”

  195. Drew71 says:

    And five Ps in the ASG.

    I can feel it down in my plums.

  196. Ghost says:

    Well put. Fifty-six wins are in the books. Can’t wait for second half.
    Also AW, nice response above to the disproportionate remark about James Harrison.

  197. Karen22 says:

    Is there an echo in here? ;)

    AGREE. MUST upgrade with a bat or two to spell this incredible pitching.

  198. Brandie says:

    Knitting together quality wins. Cannot wait to see if there are any laughers our Bucs can win. Waiting for them to string together 15 to 20 wins in August and 10 wins or more in September.

  199. Karen22 says:

    Still cautiously optimistic. We can DO this. Please get us a bat or two, BMTIB!!

  200. Arriba Wilver says:

    Please don’t tell me what your plums are. Please.

  201. Drew71 says:

    If I tweeted, this would be by tweet after the Zimmerman verdict.


    That’s it.

    Peace be with all of you. Out for the night.

    Need to warm up my lungs for the HR Derby.

  202. Ghost says:

    Yes, we need some laughers. We need an offense that can explode for laughers. Or at least scrounge up more than one or two runs per game. But laughers would be best. Elmo-style laughs.

  203. Brandie says:

    Zimmerman is marked, profiled for the rest of his life. He may have put the bullet in Tray on in self defense, but the death clock started with the disintegration of the family unit and lack of stable male role models.

    Drew, you are right. There needs to be peace, but that will not start until the breakdown of the family unit is addressed. IMHO.

  204. 21sthebest says:


  205. 21sthebest says:

    I’d comment but as I was told last night, the Zimmerman verdict is only important to those involved.

  206. Ghost says:

    Brandie and 21,
    I’ll just leave it at this: T’is a ‘discussion’ not for this place. We can’t even agree here how to interpret baseball stats. ;)

  207. Brandie says:

    That is the beauty of what we have…agree, disagree, or agree to disagree. Do it respectfully and I have been treated with nothing but respect. :-) I can only hope I have been as respectful in kind.

    Who wants more baseball?

  208. 21sthebest says:

    Totally agree with that.

  209. Ghost says:

    Well said, Brandie. You absolutely ARE one of the most respectful, respectED, and pleasant people here.

    And 2nd half, here we come!

  210. Ghost says:

    Right on!

  211. Brandie says:

    May the road you travel be forever filled with peace and prosperity. I wish I was around to see 21 play. :-)

  212. Thundercrack says:

    Collins believes the catcalls took a mental toll on Wright, who went 3 for 14 with one RBI in the series.

    “I’m sure it did,” Collins said. “He’s tired.”
    (this from RB’s notes)

    You have got to be kidding me. 5-10 seconds of booing every time you come to the plate is going to take a ‘mental toll’ on a conditioned athlete. Seriously. Tired.

    Do you know who doesn’t let booing take a mental toll on them? Players that went through the Navy Seal training as minor leaguers.

  213. Brandie says:

    Terry Collins, Thunder crack has just taken you to school! What a strange, lame comment!

  214. Brandie says:

    Now we know how to get under his skin…just chant “David! Dayyyyyyyyvid!”

  215. JoeyBats says:

    to David Wright ==> BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!

  216. JoeyBats says:

    Mgr Collins shows lots of guts….defending his player…..driving out the Parkway West on his way out of town…….AFTER the series is over.

  217. Brandie says:

    Easy to yap when you are out of the fray.

  218. theplanisworking says:

    As usual 21, you are twisting peoples words.

    I told you it was important to those involved, not ONLY to those involved. Please read carefully. If you feel you were involved, then obviously it is important to you. If others feel they were involved, then it was important to them also.

    Your response was to say everyone was involved. That is a blatant falsehood. I was not involved. While I am saddened that a young man lost his life, and we may never know why, this case is not important to me. So to say it was important to everyone is not true.

  219. 21sthebest says:

    This is all you said yesterday on the topic after complaining that the game was interrupted for the verdict:

    “Yes, it is important to those involved.”

  220. theplanisworking says:

    Re-read it. Please show me where the word “only” is involved. Also, please re-read what I posted above.

    I am not waiting for you to show me where I said “only”. It would be a long wait.

    Nice effort, however. :)

  221. Kevin says:

    Go cubbies!

  222. Lad9 says:

    + a plethora

  223. Lad9 says:

    +1908. But I am not hopeful…..

  224. 21sthebest says:

    My goodness. You’re parsing this word by word. If you don’t understand how important this case is and why it has been in the news for the past 18 months, then I don’t know what to tell you.

    Sure looked to me that you implied that the case was important to only those involved and you didn’t like the game being interrupted. No, you didn’t use the word only. But if the entire conversation is followed, it sure looks that’s what you implied and you resented the game being interrupted.

  225. theplanisworking says:

    Oh my. You certainly taking great liberties with this whole thing.

    Look, You think this is important. Others do also.
    I dont think this is important. Others dont also.

    There are a lot more important things in this country. Yes, this was a tragedy that the kid lost his life. But on my importance scale, it doesnt rank high. Why you need to state otherwise is pretty amazing.

    I am not going to discuss this any further. This isnt the forum for it. Its just another case of you twisting peoples words, or putting words in their mouths.

    I am out. Not a pleasure discussing this with you.

  226. 21sthebest says:

    I haven’t twisted a word of what you’re saying. What liberties? Have you maybe thought that you’re not presenting your views clearly? You said I twist other people’s words. Who exactly?

    Why is it amazing that someone has a different opinion than you?

    Of course there are more important things. Where did that comment come from?

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