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Final: Pirates 6, Nationals 5

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (57-39) vs. Washington Nationals (48-50)

Starters: RHP Charlie Morton vs. RHP Dan Haren

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: Nationals Park, Washington, D.C.

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Jordy Mercer, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Russell Martin, C
  6. Garrett Jones, RF
  7. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Morton, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel is on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total HOME-RUNS HIT by Pirates Hitters in tonight’s game
    Line is 1.5

    Line #2
    Total HITS + WALKS ALLOWED by Charlie Morton in tonight’s game
    Line is 8.5

    Please Note – All games must be considered official games in order for line(s) to be valid. Any postponement, cancellation, or suspension of game(s) will void line(s).

    GOOD LUCK!!!

  2. cmat0829 says:

    line 1 — 100 OVER, Haren sucks.
    line 2 — 100 UNDER, Nats offense is offensive.

  3. Dom says:

    #1 100 UNDER!!!
    #2 100 UNDER!!!


  4. Ben says:

    Line 1 — 100 on UNDER
    Line 2 — 100 on UNDER


  5. Milo Hamilton says:

    Looks like the Tabata experiment is over.

  6. 21sthebest says:


  7. Dom says:

    Amazingly enough, I crawled my way to positive numbers.

  8. Lad9 says:

    Line 1 – over
    Line 2 – under

    Both for 100. Thank you Playoffs. Go Buccos!!

  9. pattonbb says:

    Maybe he pulled something.

  10. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now that’s what I call an educated guess. Big pinch hit yesterday though.

  11. pattonbb says:

    Line 1 – 100 UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 UNDER

  12. pattonbb says:

    Maybe they don’t want to risk injury because he’s being traded. :)

  13. Jim S. says:

    What happened with Tabata?

  14. Lad9 says:

    I don’t think anything happened Jim. Just that he is not in the lineup and was not yesterday.

  15. The Gunner says:

    Now that’s some wishful thinking.

  16. cherokee23 says:

    100 under both

  17. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, Lad. I was wondering if that was all it was.

  18. Lad9 says:

    I am just hoping to regress to the mean and get that little – symbol from in front of my number and join you in that rarefied air Dom.

  19. Nate83 says:

    He pulled his jaw muscle while yawning.

  20. NMR says:

    Bucs have only faced one LH starter since July 4th. Clint has said before that he wants to get Gaby at-bats during stretches like this.

  21. Karen22 says:

    Where’s Walker?

  22. Dom says:

    On the DL.

  23. Karen22 says:

    1. 100 – OVER
    2. 100 – UNDER

  24. Jim S. says:

    Good question, Karen. I thought he was going to play tonight.

  25. Dom says:

    I’m sorry, he’s actually on a rehab assignment.

  26. Jim S. says:

    Maybe he heard Jeter and A-Rod had quad injuries, so he decided to have one also. He probably always looked up to them on the Yankees.

  27. Jim S. says:

    To Karen’s point, I thought I heard over the weekend that he was probably going to play tonight.

  28. Nate83 says:

    They have only faced 19 all year. They are 10-9 in those games. Most teams have close to 30 games or more against left handers. Really weird stat. I thought maybe the Pirates division had fewer left handed pitchers but all the teams in our division have a considerable amount more games played against left handed pitchers.

  29. Dom says:

    Really? He had his first rehab start just a couple days ago.

  30. Nate83 says:

    line 1 – 50 on the over.
    line 2 – 75 on the under.


  31. JRay3 says:

    Well that would be a quick hook and based on stats not entirely warranted. Tabata’s numbers in July since being reinstated from DL:

    14-45, .311 4 2B, 6 RBI, 5 BB, 5 K

    Granted his PH hit yesterday snapped a three game 0-11 skid, he is making contact and hitting for average at a much better clip than what was being placed out there while he was away.

  32. JRay3 says:

    He is with the team in DC, they are going to put him through a work out and if all checks out ok he will be activated before game tomorrow.

  33. NMR says:

    Interesting article on Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and his rebuilding plan:

    Long, numbery story short, he believes that a prospects plate discipline is a good indicator of their future success as a hitter, so he went out and drafted guys that fit that mold. Unsurprisingly, the Astros now have minor league teams that lead their leagues in K:BB ratio.

    What a concept.

  34. JRay3 says:

    Good afternoon to the window. Time to for the Buccos to use the momentum from yesterday’s big victory and parlay it into a winning streak today.

    Line 1 – 75 on the UNDER

    Line 2- 75 on the UNDER

    Thanks and Let’s Go Bucs!

  35. Nate83 says:

    I think NMR hit it on the head above. It’s less to do with Tabata and more with Gaby not getting enough at bats to stay sharp.

  36. NMR says:

    Thanks for that, Nate. Luck of the draw, I suppose.

  37. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    100 on the under for both lines please.

  38. Jim S. says:

    I don’t think there are a lot of them in the division, and 2 of them play for us.

  39. theplanisworking says:

    He injured himself looking for another 45 year old wife.

  40. Jim S. says:

    Seems like Tabby is actually getting it done in July – although before yesterday wasn’t he struggling for a few games?

    I guess you have to get Gabby some starts, but he can’t hit righties very well. Sorry, Clint. He can’t. This is not a 96 game phenomenon, either. He has not hit righties for awhile.

    Of course, I hope he goes out and proves me wrong tonight. If you can’t hit Dan Haren this year, you can’t hit righties.

  41. Jim S. says:

    Maybe a setback. I’m pretty sure I heard he was planning to play tonight.

  42. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, JRay.

  43. Jim S. says:

    He might be on to something there.
    – J. Votto

  44. Jim S. says:

    Also explains Robbie Grossman.

  45. bizrow says:

    Good lines as always

    Thanks, Playoffs as always

    Line 1, Pedro does it by him self, 100 over
    Line 2, tough, we need the win, so 100 under

    (sorry for those that may have previously bet the same way…)

    Beat Em Bucs

    Go Like 60

  46. bizrow says:

    Great, just great ;-)

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  48. bizrow says:

    I heard that too, am a bit surprised PRNW is not starting tonight

  49. Brandie says:

    Mr. Playoffs,

    Please may I have 25 on the under for both lines? Thank you in advance.

  50. AJS says:

    most of the lefties in the division are Buccos!

  51. Brandie says:

    Sharp, Planimal. Very sharp.

  52. AJS says:

    HA! Gabby ans sharp don’t compute!

  53. Jim S. says:

    I know two of them were Kershaw, and I think 2 of them were Hamels. Right?

    We have had 3 lefties starting at times (Wandy, Locke, Liriano). So, that explains maybe why our division opponents have so many games vs. lefties.

  54. Wild Bill says:

    Thanks for bringing me into the tribe, Biz!

  55. Jim S. says:

    Sometimes the fruit is hanging so low it just must be picked.

  56. NMR says:

    Great point.

    I think its interesting because it seems to be opposite of Huntington’s strategy of focusing on guys with tools and upside, even though they have a noted lack of discipline.

    Hard for one to argue that Huntington has been successful, but its also obviously too early to tell if Luhnow’s approach will yield better results or guys like Grossman who have all the discipline in the world, but maybe not the hit tool needed to beat big league pitching.

  57. Lad9 says:

    I saw him up close against the Mets, and against righthanders I have seldom seen anyone look worse. His stance is so wide that anything that breaks away from him causes him to completely lose his balance and lunge hopelessly. I like his D, I like him against lefties, and I like his attitude. But I would not start him against a rightie on a bet.

  58. theplanisworking says:

    Hippos like low-hanging fruit. ;)

  59. Jim S. says:

    I wonder if a sizeable contingent of Bucco Nation is making it’s way down to the nation’s capitol tonight for the series. DC has always seemed like a popular destination for Pens fans when we play the Caps.

    Sorry, that drive is too far for me from out here in IL!

  60. Gaby’s average against Haren is probably .500. He’s probably 2-4 and Clint wanted him in there. Tabby is probably 0-4 against him.

  61. 21sthebest says:

    Neal said yesterday they’d reasses after his rehab start yesterday.

  62. AJS says:

    Mark Madden. What a credible source.

    Could you see me rolling my eyes as I said that.

    His premise is OK. That you have to take your chances when you get them. And that trying to project prospects is a crap shoot and that it isn’t like the Pirates minor league system as it is comprised maps out years and years of success an possibly only pieces of a whole.

    But his use of Littlefields drafts and Pirates drafts alone is laughable when using it in terms of how draft calsses don’t pan out. Sample size of one team with one lousy GM.

    Sometimes I want them to make a wholesale move to go for it. Then I settle on a more conservative approach. With all that said though, having Taillon and Polanco be “untouchable” just means that by the time they get here, the backbone of the roster as it is comprised today won’t be here and they may just be 2 stand out young players on a mediocre or lousy team.

    A team like the Pirates will never be a perrenial power house. Most of the time they will scuffle right around .500 even when the ship rights itself. you can always draft a new Polanco or Taillon or Heredia and have them be 2 to 3 years away from being the backbone of your next contender. grow a team, take a stab at glory, and grow another one. This can be done without being as putrid as the Marlins currently are.

  63. Jim S. says:

    Good observation.

  64. Jim S. says:

    Might even be 1-2 vs. 0-1, Lucky.

  65. Watch out for a scolding, Gunner. DK likes him.


  66. NMR says:

    Gaby and righties are one I just can’t figure out, Jim.

    If you look at his splits, he’s far better than other platoon guys like Jones and Pedro in that he doesn’t strike out and draws walk, but for whatever reason his batting average on contact the last two years has been atrocious. Just .227 this year after being .279 and .285 in ’10/’11.

    It’s impressive that he’s giving us an OPS just four points short of Garrett Jones even though about 2/3 of his at-bats have been against righties.

  67. NMR says:

    Hahaha, first thing I looked for, Lucky.

    Gaby is 1-4, Tabby has never faced him.

    Case closed.

  68. bizrow says:

    Most welcome, and keep posting ;-)

  69. bizrow says:

    Garza goes to the Rangers

    That makes me happy, no division team and we did not overpay for a rental

  70. Karen22 says:

    I know – I thought he was going to be reactivated for tonight’s game…never heard anything.

  71. Karen22 says:

    OK – thanks…I got worried again!

  72. NMR says:

    Bit of an odd return for the Cubs.

    Mike Olt, the primary prospect in the package is a 3B, just as is Kris Bryant, their 2nd overall pick in the draft, college hitter Kris Bryant.

    With Rizzo at 1B long term, looks like somebody is going to be butchering left field.

  73. Brandie says:

    You bring up valid points. I guess you get as good as those you have scouting for you. And, yes, I almost stepped on one of your eyeballs in my kitchen they rolled so far. :-)

  74. theplanisworking says:

    This does not make me sad.
    We would have overpaid for a bad rental.

    9 days left for neal to do something.

  75. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I like these standings.

  76. bizrow says:

    Or they will spin him for someone else

  77. Stuart says:

    Playoffs con su permissa, 100 escudars each on line #1 Over and Line #2 Under


  78. Stuart says:

    Maybe they realize that he would be a good 4th OF. (at best)


  79. NMR says:

    I was hoping to plan a family visit on a weekend series.

  80. Stuart says:

    This could be what some folks call the “end of days” when Mark Madden is quoted as a credible source.


  81. Brandie says:

    Evening, Romper Room!

  82. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Cubs-Travis Wood
    Brewers-Gorzo? Part time starter
    Pirates-Locke, Wandy(DL), Liriano

  83. JD says:

    Bye bye Braun.

  84. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Miss Sally. ;)

  85. BostonsCommon says:

    I saw no issue with Huntington sniffing around for Garza. He was never going to give up Taillon, Polanco, et al, for a rental, but there was no harm in trying to get him for a couple grade C types. Worst Theo could do was say no, and apparently that’s all that happened.

    Maybe removing the shiny new toy from the window will help Neil focus the real problem, RF.

  86. Milo Hamilton says:

    Suspended for the rest of the season.

    “I realize now I’ve made some mistakes.”

    Really ?

  87. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:


    Phils-3 (Must be a PA thing)

  88. NMR says:


    Plant Braun’s face right up there with Lance Armstrong.

    It’s one thing to cheat, but it’s another to slander another man for your own sins as Braun did to the sample collector.

    What a jackass.

  89. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Boy would he hate Starlin Marte

  90. theplanisworking says:

    And to think he beat this last year.
    Good to see this.
    More will follow him.

  91. bizrow says:

    Whats wrong with baseball?

    Ryan Braun

    He musta had no room to wriggle

  92. War Horse says:

    Line #1 100 on the UNDER

    Line #2 100 on the UNDER

  93. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wow. Huge news around here.

    But, he has nagging injuries and the Brewers arn’t going anywhere. My guess is Michael Weiner (snicker) told old Braunnie to take onefor the union team now and not next year when Brewers could be back in it. Makes the union look less obstructionist to public and the clean players sick of the union defending them at all costs.

  94. Bill Born says:

    100 on each line
    Line 1 Under
    Line 2 Over

    Please and Thank You!

  95. BostonsCommon says:

    MLB needs to stop messing around and just kick these guys out. No tolerance. You fail a test for PEDs, and your out… for life. It’s one thing to risk a 50 game suspension, or even 100, to enjoy the benefits of these drugs. But if you threaten to take away their fortunes, their hundreds of millions of dollars, you can get rid of this crap for good.

    And while they’re at it, blood testing for HGH please? The majority of the players in the Union actually want it all out of the game, at least that’s what they say publicly. I can’t imagine it would be all that difficult to get the Union to go along.

  96. theplanisworking says:

    Wonder if the sample collector from last year can sue Braun for defamation??

  97. bizrow says:

    That is one strike though, he fails again, 100 games

    I do understand your thoughts of this season, John, but there could be deeper ramifications

  98. theplanisworking says:

    Mr. Playoffs………….

    may I please have 100 submerged Hippos on the UNDER for both lines??

    Thank Ewe.

  99. bman says:


    Line 1: 75 on the UNDER
    Line 2: 50 on the OVER


  100. theplanisworking says:

    Biz, I wonder about this.

    The suspensions are 50 and 100 games.
    This suspension is for 65 games. So I wonder if this is a 100 game suspension “reduced” because of the end of the season?

    I would have liked to see a 100 gamer……… continuing into next season.

    A-Fraud, step right up……… you’re next !! :)

  101. JohninOshkosh says:

    Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’m with NMR, he’s a jackass who trampled over the good name of a lowly administrator.

    Too bad every kid in my daughter’s first grade class wears his jersey.

    Maybe he’ll give back his MVP Award. Not bloody likely.

  102. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Golden Spikes winner Kris Bryant. Kid had an unbelieveable season this year at SD.

  103. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    NH might not have even made an offer.

  104. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Should be for life.

  105. radio wave says:

    At playoffs: after looking at the updated standings today I need to pick up the pace. Let me play 75 on the over for a line 1, and 100 on the over forline two. Thank you

  106. Brandie says:

    See ya later, Cryin’ Braun. Should have admitted this long ago. Now maybe some real discussion on the use of PED’s can begin.

  107. pattonbb says:

    A lot of people say Jeff Luhnow is responsible for much of the Cardinal’s good fortune. He was responsible for building their baseball academy in the Dominican Republic and really expanding their presence in Latin America. Several of their top prospects come from that area of the world now.

  108. Jason81 says:

    Line 1–100 on the OVER.

    Line 2–100 on the UNDER.

  109. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I think DJ tried to stick by his guy there, without losing his own job. The guy’s been around long enough to know how these things work. Apparently he just doesn’t have as much pull as he thought.

    After what DJ said about his hitting coach and compare it what his GM said about him, I see DJ getting fired pretty soon too if it doesn’t get turned around.

  110. radio wave says:

    I am surprised to see this suspension come down today. I was of the belief based on earlier information today that a rod and others will not be suspended for a another couple of weeks.

  111. Frankie says:

    100 each on the under

  112. theplanisworking says:

    Here is my serious discussion……

    Test weekly for drugs, including HGH.
    Give them an appeal process if found guilty.
    Then ban them for life. No second chances.

    When these spoiled idiots see the gravy train of $$$$$$$$ leave the station, then the drug use will stop.

  113. Brandie says:

    Not sure that it will due to people using such things to aid in recovery. Sports is a grind. To be honest, amphetamines have been used in this sport for decades to said in performance. Athletes use caffeine to aid performance. Possibly, that train has left the station. Not sure how I feel about it anymore.

    Plan, I hope things are wonderful in your pond. :-)

  114. War Horse says:

    OK, quick quiz. Who are the two hottest hitters on the Pittsburgh team for July? Ready?
    Andrew McCutchen (.382) and Clint Barmes (.323). Jose Tabata comes 3rd with .300 even. Then Marte and Jones. Everyone else is hitting below the team average for the year (.243) for July,

    The Nats have the closest hitting record to the Pirates so far this season. In virtually every category, the Nationals and Pirates have near equal records. BA of .243 (Bucs) to .240 (Nats). All the hitting stats line up the same. The only category in which there is a significant difference is sacrifice flies. The Nats have 24, the Bucs have 12. That’s it.

    Even the number of runs scored is almost even.

    The Pirates have 45% more stolen bases (68-48). The number of batters hit by pitches (51-16) is much greater, too.

    Pittsburgh is a much better fielding team. And, of course, the Bucs pitching has been the best of anyone. The Nats do not really come close on pitching stats.

  115. Brandie says:

    Revvy! Revvy!

  116. Brandie says:

    Bench potential in that situation, then.

    Laaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddd Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnne! (Done to the Carol Burnett Tarzan yell!)

  117. bizrow says:

    + bunches, the poor fellow went thru hades

  118. Brandie says:

    Yeah. Nats were successful last year. Everything changes when you get that taste. Mediocrity and hanging around the Mendoza line just won’t cut it. NH and Pirates…heed those words!

  119. pattonbb says:

    Dear Ryan Braun,

    You sir, are a cheater and a coward. Hope you enjoy your time away from the ballpark. Don’t fret though, you’re about to have a lot of company.

    How much of a jackass do you have to be for your own union to not even try to take up for you? You attacked the integrity of a lot of people when you failed your drug test. You called into question the validity of the entire mlb drug testing program. People lost their jobs because of your lies. If you had one ounce of honor in your conniving and lying body, you would return that mvp award.

    Congratulations, you now have as much of a chance at making it to Cooperstown as I do. Sometimes bad things really do happen to bad people.


  120. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah. A public smearing of a man who did his job, by a cheater who now gets his just punishment.


  121. Hal Smith says:

    Line 1 50 on the over

    Line 2 50 on the under

    I’m looking forward to Walker’s return.

  122. theplanisworking says:

    Brandie, they are.
    Stormy today, but just fine.

    Always a treat to talk to a blog fave like you. :)

  123. theplanisworking says:


    Like I said to Biz above, a fitting conclusion would be for be for the sample collector to sue Braun.

  124. theplanisworking says:


    Like I said to Biz above, a fitting conclusion would be for be for the sample collector to sue Braun.

  125. Brandie says:

    Well put, pattonbb.

  126. Brandie says:

    Aww Hipposter. There I go blushing again. My adopted hippo brother.

  127. Brandie says:


    M Most
    V Vilified
    P Person

  128. theplanisworking says:

    Now, you can change that to ……….



  129. theplanisworking says:

    I am more like the black sheep of the family……..

  130. Thundercrack says:

    I am no fan of Ryan Braun or A Rod and I absolutely hate what PEDs have done to the sport.

    But I still don’t quite understand how you can suspend a player without a positive drug test ( I realize they had one on Braun and he appealed and won).

  131. Ghost says:

    Hi Gang.
    Still catching up on all of today’s posts, but just HAVE to make following observation without delay:

    This Blog DK has created is always such a stimulating and entertaining place to be. But the discussions on this morning’s thread truly showed how high this community can soar. The discussion on youth baseball and expenses was superb and really should be required reading for any parent with a kid in — or soon to be in — sports. The comments on the Paterno / child abuse tragedy also included a lot of thoughtful comments, highlighted by Brandie’s post which elevated all of us who had the privilege to read it.

    Great job everybody. Gotta run, will be back tonight.

  132. OZ says:

    Line 1: 100 under

    Line 2: 100 under


  133. Eric Bowser says:

    Nice… a 2-RUN homer by Cutch

  134. pattonbb says:

    Braun gets suspended for being a cheater, the mlbpa agrees to not protect cheaters like Braun, and Cutch hits a line drive hr with somebody on base!

    Man, today is turning out to be a really good day.

  135. Eric Bowser says:

    Long day at work, come home and love to see the Braun news and Cutch HR.

  136. JRay3 says:

    Definitely like what I see in the early going with Morton, his ball has a ton of sink, tail and bite. Lots of movement on his pitches, if this keeps up will be very difficult to square up.

    Cutch seems to be getting into a bit of groove, he is capable of carrying a club when he gets hot. Good to see his HR was to right center.

  137. Drew71 says:

    It was evidently a plea bargain. We don’t know what evidence was provided by Biogenics (which cooperated) but it evidently was enough to get Braun to agree not to challenge.

    In that light, no test was needed. Braun accepted without appeal, which means they likely reached agreement.

    Much as with a criminal court case. If the perp accepts the plea bargain, a jury does not have to find him guilty v

  138. theplanisworking says:

    That means, in all probability, that A-Fraud, and the rest will get suspended too?

    One can only hope.

  139. Brandie says:

    Hooray for bright spots!

  140. theplanisworking says:

    “A ton of sink, tail, and bite.”

    You just described a Hippo.
    Well done, sir.

  141. Brandie says:

    Thank you, Ghostie. Be safe.

  142. Eric Bowser says:

    Holy CUTCH!!

    Another 2-run HR

  143. Drew71 says:

    Well now.

  144. theplanisworking says:

    CUTCH !!!!

    Another 2-run bomb!

    Appears to be as many Pirate fans there as nats fans.

  145. theplanisworking says:

    Yes, Hooray for Branimal…..

  146. pattonbb says:

    uh oh…..someone’s getting locked in…..

  147. JRay3 says:

    Like I said, when Cutch gets hot he himself can carry a team, what a shot! Cutch 4, Nats 0.

  148. pattonbb says:

    ….or my ex.

  149. Brandie says:

    Cutch love. Good vibes, great vibes. Dialed in. Hope all is well with you, sir Eric.

  150. Brandie says:

    She sounds utterly pleasant, a little doll baby. :-)

  151. Brandie says:

    Plan! You flatter me. You always add smiles to my day.

  152. JRay3 says:

    Morton and Cutch keeping the naysayers at bay tonight. 4-0 good guys through three. Chance to gain 1/2 game on idle Cards tonight.

  153. Drew71 says:

    By the rules of the CBA, whatever Braun admitted to in his plea bargain can be used by MLB in appeal hearings of others to show credibility for the Biogenics evidence against others.

    It was HUGELY to the benefit of MLB to get someone to cave and plea.

    The other players’ positions are now weakened.

    Watch – others may head to the exits and seek plea deals.

    Especially those on likely playoff teams who have no history that Braun has who may think they can negotiate a 50 day suspension and come back for the playoffs.

    So that’s a lotta words to say, yes, A-Fraud and others are in MORE trouble now that one has plead out.

  154. Brandie says:

    Good Evening, Drew Manchu.

  155. Lad9 says:

    Lol. You kill me. At our colt league game tonight but saw that Cutch is on fire!

  156. JohninOshkosh says:

    I always kinda enjoyed following the Expos.

    Could care less, even dislike a bit, the Nationals.

    Not sure the reason.

  157. JRay3 says:

    Productive out by Gaby, gets Martin in on the ground out, 5-0 Buccos.

  158. Milo Hamilton says:

    See, doesn’t even have to be a hit.

  159. JRay3 says:

    Maybe it was the pinwheel caps they wore.

  160. JD says:

    Because they’re in DC. The slime from the politicians is over them.

  161. theplanisworking says:

    You just made Brian Cashman the happiest man in baseball, Drew.

    Collect your prize from DK’s soccer bag. ;)

  162. theplanisworking says:

    Words cannot describe my ex.
    Pictures cant do the job, either.

  163. theplanisworking says:

    You’re welcome. ;)

  164. Drew71 says:

    Sup, little Garanimal.

  165. Milo Hamilton says:

    I know it’s only 4 innings, but I’d call your friends.

  166. Brandie says:

    Cool. I am now kiddie clothing. Hope all is well with you, Pepe Le Drew.

  167. Drew71 says:

    Well. That’s not much of a prize.

    I h_ _ _ s_ _ _ _ _.

    I hope I slid that under the Reaming Radar.

  168. Patrick(ri) says:

    A welcome, if rare sight! What a difference a day makes.

  169. JohninOshkosh says:

    + Both of yous

  170. Drew71 says:


    Braun Gone?
    – check.

    5-0 lead?
    – check.

    Enjoying a beer?
    – check.

    Past good, Brandie. Past good.

  171. Brandie says:

    Now, Mercer with a double. Hey, hey, hey!

  172. JohninOshkosh says:

    Don’t bother.

  173. Eric Bowser says:

    I’m alive… sore but I’m alive… lol

  174. kr70 says:

    yep that would do it

  175. Brandie says:

    Sore here from weight lifting…what did you do?

  176. Milo Hamilton says:

    Certainly isn’t fooling anybody now.

  177. Eric Bowser says:

    Doing the yard work, I slipped holding the axe and landed on my hip and twisted my ankle.

    It was a fine landing, French judges gave me a 9.0

  178. JohninOshkosh says:

    Dan Haren went 4 innings and is done.

  179. Milo Hamilton says:

    In the grand scheme of things, they really let Haren off the hook. 0-5 RISP could have really made this comfortable.

  180. theplanisworking says:

    + many, Drew!

  181. Derek Smith says:

    Hello to all! All kinds of good things happening tonight! Braun gone, comfortable lead, and nothing to do but sit here and watch baseball and get in on discussion about this great game. I don’t know if anyone here likes country music, but all I can think of is Travis Tritt’s song, “It’s a Great Day to Be Alive”. All that could make this better is if I saw a headline of a smart Bucco trade. You never know. LETS GO BUCS!

  182. Brandie says:

    Solo home run…1 base hit…oh well. Get the next out. Work quick, throw strikes, kick a$$.

  183. Derek Smith says:

    Very true. Thank you, Cutch.

  184. theplanisworking says:

    Agreed Derek………… got any Dominoes??

    And, welcome !

  185. JohninOshkosh says:

    Roger Bernadina will cure what ails ya.

  186. Brandie says:

    Dang! A word of advice… Don’t ever do that again. This blog cannot afford to lose it’s certified (not certifiable, there is a difference) hockey genius. I hope you are okay. :-)

  187. Milo Hamilton says:

    The best news from this past weekend was the ball started going over the fence. That’s how they score.

  188. Brandie says:

    Greetings Derek from the blog’s resident Muppet.

  189. Milo Hamilton says:

    Might as well have been Johnny Berardino.

  190. Derek Smith says:

    Yeah, I don’t think you can sustain success like that. It was good to see Gaby get Martin home from third of nothing else. But that needs to change fast in my opinion.

  191. Eric Bowser says:

    just sore, bruised ego…

    Oh, I’m waiting for Drew to echo the certifiable part. LOL

  192. Brandie says:

    Thanks for the perspective, Milo. Hope all went well in Margaritaville.

  193. Derek Smith says:

    I don’t have any Dominoes, but that is sounding just fine right about now. Pizza or wings? Decisions, Decisions.

  194. tdb1977 says:

    Good evening fellow lunatics. After seeing that throw – who is worse? Ramos or Barajas? Let the debate begin :)

  195. theplanisworking says:

    …………and the blog’s resident Hippo.

  196. Derek Smith says:

    McKenry. Oh, and greetings!

  197. theplanisworking says:

    Clapton, Sweet tea, pizza, and a Pirate win.

    Sounds good to me.

  198. Brandie says:

    BTW, what do the French judges know? A 9.0 indeed!

  199. theplanisworking says:


  200. Eric Bowser says:

    McKenry or Doumit….

  201. Derek Smith says:

    Yeah, can’t argue with that.

  202. Milo Hamilton says:

    The last Pirate sacrifice fly to the outfield was in mid May.

  203. Derek Smith says:

    Have you checked out what Doumit is doing in RF for the Twins!? He is playing very well there. Who would have thunk it?

  204. florida steeler says:

    Good job Gaby–he is pathetic

  205. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m betting the Middleton Baby wins the Sovereign Race at the end of the inning.

  206. Brandie says:

    I know…he was not a catcher…he was just bad!

  207. Derek Smith says:

    And it continues. That is astonishing that there doing so well in the standings and can’t hit a sacrifice fly.

  208. Brandie says:

    Change of scenery will do it for some.

  209. Milo Hamilton says:

    In an effort to be more modern they’re naming him Prince Diddy.

  210. Derek Smith says:

    Haha, there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.

  211. Derek Smith says:

    Yep, very true. Jose Bautista. Maybe Doumit recieved better defensive coaching in MIN than PIT.

  212. Brandie says:

    Junior Ortiz.

  213. Milo Hamilton says:

    Big, big, big inning for Charlie.

  214. tdb1977 says:

    If your in town and are looking for something to do with a little bit of time, I suggest going on a ball park tour of PNC Park. Because of my work schedule currently, I’m working 230/300 AM to 11/12Noon, I had the afternoon off today. The wife and I decided to take a trip into the city and went on a tour. The tour was highly informational and we really enjoyed it. It started in the left field corner, take about high mark square, and then into the building we went. We then learned about how the inside of the park worked. They pointed out to us the medicial facilities that are available to the players, coaches, umpires, etc. We then walked past the enterance to the Pirates dugout before we went into the Pirates clubhouse. We saw the shark tank first hand and they talked about the lockers and n’at. After the clubhouse we proceeded to the visitors dug out and onto the field. They allowed us on the warning track outside of the visitors dugout. They were very strict about not allowing anyone to touch the grass. It was interesting to see the playing field from the dugout and to actually be on the field. After the club house, we were up to the press box. Its surprising how close it feels like you are from the playing field from up there. We then went to the club level and they talked about how there are 9 tables in one of the rooms to signify Maz’s number. They also had a bat hanging on the wall from each of the Pirate’s batting champs. They talked about the different uniforms the Pirates have worn throughout the years and what the Black and Yellow/Gold means. Overall, it was a very educational trip and well worth the 8 dollars for the tour.

  215. Brandie says:

    We could cite so many examples…Jason Christiansen, Aramis Ramirez, Bronson Arroyo, etc.

  216. theplanisworking says:

    + a tour’s worth.

    I have heard similar things from others.
    Best Ballpark in Baseball.

  217. Brandie says:

    I have scurvy? :-)

  218. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just like that. Only 79 pitches.

  219. JRay3 says:

    Morton induces the DP ball and finishes sixth with his 5th K. Just another terrific start being turned in by Bucs starter. At 79 pitches easily has another inning or two in him.

  220. Brandie says:

    Putting good vibes out to Jandy, Kare-Bear, Revvy, everyone really. Charlie Morton us groovin’, the offense is breathing, and the blog vibe is mellow. Such a good night.

  221. tdb1977 says:

    Hmmmm. Greg and John are a bit off tonight. They just called Jordy Clint Barmes on that long foul ball down the left field line.

  222. Thundercrack says:

    Well I guess they have proof that Braun bought the drugs but they don’t have proof that he took them.

  223. JRay3 says:

    Sounds like a blast, hope to get the chance to experience it one day when I get back out that way.

  224. theplanisworking says:

    Bad storms here tonight. Lucky to still have power.
    Lots of Thunder.

    Or is he out in California??

  225. Jandy says:

    376! YAY! And welcome, Wild Bill :)

  226. florida steeler says:

    7 innings and Charley starts to get real shaky.

  227. JRay3 says:

    Heck of a pick by Gaby Sanchez, two days in a row that he has made solid plays defensively.

  228. Jandy says:

    I’m so glad he’s fallen! Loser!

  229. pattonbb says:

    Time to get him out of there, Clint.

  230. Eric Bowser says:

    that was a beautiful pick

  231. Eric Bowser says:

    yeah, he’s about ready to hit the showers, good thing bottom of lineup

  232. Jandy says:

    Hey, the vibes drew me in. Sorry, had long phone calls from two sisters.
    Time to get Charlie outta there.

  233. Jandy says:

    That’s something new? ;)

  234. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Jandy.

    Morton should have been already out, when he gave up the HR.
    Hurdle gagging yet again.

  235. Jandy says:

    Hope your bruise isn’t too bad, Eric ;)

  236. florida steeler says:

    John and his shhhtrike three!!!

  237. Jandy says:

    Yeah i don’t get it. Why let a win slip away. Our bull pen is sustainable :)

  238. JRay3 says:

    Take 6 2/3 IP from your #4 starter every time….time for baseball’s number one pen to finish the last seven outs of this one.

  239. Jandy says:

    Not storming here. Raining a good bit tho. We can use it.

  240. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, like these storms tonight.
    Surprised I still have power.

    But we need to secure this win

  241. JRay3 says:

    And Bryan Morris comes in and does his job and takes care of one of those seven remaining outs.

  242. Jandy says:

    Yes, we do!

  243. Eric Bowser says:

    Jandy – I need a bell to ring for my wife to get me some grapes and feed them to me. LOL

  244. Jandy says:

    Now THAT’S FUNNY! ring a bell….you’d be wearing the bell ;)

  245. Jandy says:

    But I’m being mean….

  246. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now the fun begins.

  247. florida steeler says:

    Who would win a race between Gaby and Tabata??

  248. Milo Hamilton says:

    The dead one.

  249. Eric Bowser says:


    I think the “oh dear” bell would be slammed upside my head after a few loving rings. LOL

  250. florida steeler says:

    Good one Milo!!!!!

  251. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s a Gaby signature moment situation.

  252. Jandy says:

    LOL that’s what I thought!

  253. theplanisworking says:

    ……..and he fails again.

  254. florida steeler says:

    Never a different result with that guy. He is horrible. Neal has to get rid of some of these losers.

  255. theplanisworking says:

    Actually, that bell might not be found ever again, if you know what I mean……

  256. Jandy says:


  257. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates wild pitch based offense strikes again.

  258. Jandy says:

    YOu were so right :)

  259. theplanisworking says:

    Didnt know Pedro could run that fast.
    But I am glad he did!

  260. JRay3 says:

    And these “losers” take a 6-3 lead on the Nats pen throwing a wild pitch. Huge insurance run!

  261. Jandy says:

    Me tooooo!!!!

  262. JRay3 says:

    In fairness to Gaby he has not had a lot of chances against LHP in awhile as the Bucs have not faced one.

  263. florida steeler says:

    Is that offense “under control” of Huntington. If so, we may see a lot of it!!!

  264. Patrick(ri) says:

    This Pirate team has an amazing knack for bringing out the worst in an opponent.

  265. Jandy says:

    ++ and now a walk

  266. florida steeler says:

    Are you REALLY SERIOUS??? the guy is AWFUL.

  267. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, I understand.

    My big beef, is Gaby doesnt produce much.
    Neither do Harrison, Snider, Barmes, etc………….

    Upgrades needed.

  268. JRay3 says:

    Alvarez single, Martin walk, great bunt put pressure on opposition that had something to do with it….other team pressing trying to be too perfect.

  269. Jandy says:

    Nice play by Barmes

  270. florida steeler says:

    You are correct. Gaby, McKenry, Inge, Barmes, Snider, Harrison.
    This bench is just plain awful and anyone that thinks differently, is drinking far too much Pirate Kool Aid.

  271. theplanisworking says:

    I dont know.
    I am not a kool-aid drinker, I just want the necessary upgrades needed to help the team.
    We have players at AAA that should get a look, and there is always trades.

    Again, nothing against the players I listed, I just want to improve the team.

  272. JRay3 says:

    Your comments can border on AWFUL, Gaby not so much. Best defensive 1B on team as demonstrated yesterday and today, and one of the better hitters on team versus LHP. Very serviceable player.

    I know you must be chapped tonight as the pickings are slim for you to complain about.

    Another great night of Pirate baseball as they are about to win second straight on road, go 19 above .500 and continue to get great pitching and tonight some big hitting.

  273. theplanisworking says:

    Bullpen looking good, again !

  274. theplanisworking says:

    ……………. and a nice DP.

  275. JRay3 says:

    Plan, do not disagree this team could use a bat both in the form of a starter and one to add to the bench.

    But this team as currently constructed continues to get it done as they have all year.

    With that great DP by Watson, just three more outs to go!

  276. Patrick(ri) says:

    Send Walker back down.

  277. florida steeler says:

    You are right–there is NO WAY Presley could be any worse than Snider, or Sanchez worse than McKenry?? Nope.

  278. JRay3 says:

    And Tony Watson does his part as this pen continues its lock down of the opposition, on to the 9th up 3 and 3 outs to go!

  279. theplanisworking says:


    yes, Gaby and Barmes are very good defensively, but do you really think the Pirates can go far with them? I like them, but I want the team to improve, dont you?

    Yes, it is a great night of Pirate baseball.
    I want the great nights to continue. Improving the team gives a better chance of that happening.

  280. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tony Watson since May 25th –

    20 games / 24 IP / 1.50 ERA


  281. florida steeler says:

    You are unbelievable–you keep a guy on the roster because he makes a few defensive plays but gives you NOTHING from the power position of first base??
    You put your BEST 25 players on the roster and Gaby is not one of them to name a few. You are completely non-objective.

  282. theplanisworking says:

    I need the storms to hold off for 3 more outs, so I can see the win. :)

  283. JRay3 says:


    Yes I want the team to improve…I’m on record saying I wish the team would trade for a starting SS as I’m not sold on options, after that a RF that could play along with Tabata or Jones.

    Gaby has his role on this team and quite honestly has come in to a righty just out of the pen or a RH starter to give him some AB’s to stay sharp. He has hit LHP all year.

    McKenry has his role on this team and as long as he does not become a defensive liability I can live with his bat as he doesn’t play but once a week. Now if team’s run at will and it forces the defense and it’s hand may need to look there. If not way down on the priority list.

    I want the same thing, winning baseball, playoff baseball but to constantly rip a team that is about to be 58-39, come on.

  284. Eric Bowser says:

    Honestly, the one guy that I think has been relatively unknown to even most Pirates fans is reliever Vin Mazzaro. I’m pretty happy with Grilli, Melancon, Morris and Gomez, just prefer to have a veteran shutdown guy for the 6th/7th inning to bridge the RH matchups in those innings.

    For lefties, can’t get much better than Watson and Wilson.

  285. Jandy says:


  286. Jandy says:

    Hold off storm!

  287. theplanisworking says:

    I hope you arent saing I constantly rip the team.

    I feel I am fair in my assessments.
    But I dont know who you directed that to…….. me, or others. :)

  288. theplanisworking says:

    Double ouch.
    Pedro’s hustle looking huge right now.

  289. Milo Hamilton says:

    Two of the 3 worst offenses in the league combine for 11 runs. Like Jawn & Suzyn say, you just can’t figure baseball.

  290. Eric Bowser says:

    This team cannot lose this game…. not after scoring 6 runs.

    NOT tonight.

  291. Milo Hamilton says:

    Remember back when it was 5-0 ? It should have been 8 or 9.

  292. Dave G says:

    FINAL Pirates 6, Nationals 5.

    It says this at the top of the blog here, but I’m watching Grilli disintegrate with a runner on second and one out in the ninth…

  293. Reading says:

    They let them hang around and this is what you get. Come on Man!!!!!

  294. Milo Hamilton says:

    Grilli looks like he is hurting. He should have never had to pitch tonight.

  295. Dave G says:

    Oh no… Grilli is hurt…

  296. Jandy says:

    This is scary

  297. Eric Bowser says:

    Devastating blow for Grilli…. that’s not a good sign.

  298. chethejet says:

    My man Grilli is heading south tonight. It happens. Bucs just can’t get enough key hits to have an easy game. Gabby Sanchez is a joke and can’t hit the ball out of the infield when he does hit it. Should have put the game away and now it looks like Nats may pull one out. Hey NH, get some bats and don’t continue this charade of Tabata, Snyder, Inge and the Fort.

  299. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m not going to say anything about Sports Illustrated.

  300. Cobra39 says:

    Add back end of the bullpen to “trade for” list. :\

  301. Reading says:

    SI Cover jin …. No. Don’t think so.

  302. JRay3 says:

    Good thing team has Melancon, get Vic Black he has been lights out in Indy.

  303. bizrow says:

    Just get this out, tomorrow

    You deal with tomorrow

  304. Reading says:

    Come on Vin!!!”

  305. theplanisworking says:


    Thankful the storms held off.
    Hope Grili isnt hurt………… maybe forearm tightness? Hope it isnt an elbow.

    Great game by Cutch with the 2 homers.

  306. bizrow says:

    Raise it

    Now we deal with tomorrow

  307. Dave G says:

    Game over at 10:21. Dejan posted the winning score ten minutes ago.


  308. JRay3 says:

    Behind two McCutchen two run blasts, a solid Morton start and Vin Mazzaro’s 1st save of the year, the Bucs defeat Washington 6-5 in game one of the four game set and there was nooooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Pirates improve to 19 games above .500 at 58-39, go to 7-9 in July and improve to 2-2 on the ten game road trip. The Bucs will look to make it three consecutive wins tomorrow night when Gerritt Cole makes his first start of the second half.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  309. Jandy says:

    did it! Raise it!!

  310. theplanisworking says:

    I warned you about the cover jinx !!!!!!!

    YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  311. pattonbb says:

    Well this could certainly shake the trade deadline up.

  312. chethejet says:

    See what Clint says in post game. My gut tells me it is not a cramp. Hopefully is not a Wandy forearm. Back to the drawing board.

  313. theplanisworking says:

    YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What did I tell you about the cover jinx! ;)

  314. JRay3 says:

    Was not directing my comment to you specifically up above Plan, believe you have always provided fair analysis both sides of the fence.

  315. Thundercrack says:

    I haven’t read or heard anyone who thinks the bench isn’t awful.

  316. theplanisworking says:

    I didnt think so, but just didnt want any hard feelings…………….

    Great win!
    I am concerned about Grilli.

  317. pattonbb says:

    ….fear the (black and bruised) Bones….

  318. Thundercrack says:


  319. Did Grilli get hurt in the 9th? Just got home from church and missed most of the game.

  320. Thundercrack says:

    It seems that 95% of the relievers are conditioned / taught to throw as hard as they can, ‘max effort’ , for one inning. It is amazing that more of them don’t get hurt more often.

    But then again, maybe the do get hurt often.

  321. Jandy says:

    Makes two of us…

  322. Jandy says:

    Yes, Spunky. Not sure what happened yet

  323. Thundercrack says:

    And what I don’t understand is why can the TV announcers see something was wrong with Grilli and the guys in the dugout 30 feet away couldn’t?

  324. Cobra39 says:

    It seems most “forearm” injuries end in elbow surgery. I don’t expect Wandy back this season and let’s hope for the best with Grilli.

  325. theplanisworking says:

    JINX !!!!!!!!!!! ;)

    Just giving you a hard time, Jandy. :)

  326. florida steeler says:

    No panic, lets hope Grilli is ok but if not, there is Melancon as closer, Watson and Wilson–superb and Mazarro is excellent.

  327. theplanisworking says:

    Thats a good question.

    I think it may have to do with seeing it from a height, that cant be seen at field level?

  328. Jäger fan says:

    Didn’t DK say something about arms falling off by the middle of July a couple of months ago?

  329. Eric Bowser says:

    I’d prefer Pirates look at White Sox reliever Jesse Crain, put him as 8th inning setup man and move Melancon to closer and just hope Grilli can come back but I don’t think that looked good at all.

  330. theplanisworking says:

    Well, I kept power so I could see this thru.

    Hope everyone is enjoying this win………. but Grilli’s injury will worry me until a definite is told to us.

    Good night Looney-tics!

  331. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    I said it the other day and I will say it again….do the opposite of whatever madden is suggesting. He talks for ratings and couldn’t give two shats about credibility. Tell ‘em DK…he’s your boy, he’s good at what he does…but always do as costanza does when it’s madden and baseball….run the other way.

  332. JRay3 says:

    Probably one area team could afford a potential injury. Bryan Morris has pitched well of late as well, still some power arms down at Indy -Welker, Black (who has been lights out), Reid did well during his brief time with club.

    Lots of options, but still hoping best for Grilli.

  333. Eric Bowser says:

    Rob B – tweeted the Pirates haven’t opened up the clubhouse yet….

  334. JRay3 says:

    Where is Jose Contreras when you need him? I jest.

  335. Thundercrack says:

    My feeling before tonight’s game was that the Pirates would add a bench player at the deadline. A guy who could play third & second and could actually get a pinch hit. This would allow them to cut Inge and send JHay back down and maybe bring Presley back up. ( Compared to Harrison, I feel more comfortable with Presley as a pinch runner and a guy who could get a sac bunt down…plus he’s a better hitter)

    Now, I’m not sure what they’ll do.

  336. Thundercrack says:

    Ha! I was just about to post that very same thing.

  337. 21sthebest says:

    You would think he’s going somewhere.

  338. He signed somewhere right after he was released from Indy.

  339. pattonbb says:

    ….doesn’t sound good.

  340. Milo Hamilton says:

    Anyone remember Jim Gott in Montreal ? I had that flashback.

  341. Boston. Minor league deal.

    We still have Jared Hughes on rehab.

  342. JohninOshkosh says:

    (A very nervous) Indeed.

  343. pattonbb says:

    another “sore forearm”

  344. JRay3 says:

    You hear anything on post game or elsewhere?

  345. JRay3 says:

    Totally forgot about him…+1

  346. Forearm discomfort. DK says when the Bucs say forearm, it means elbow.

  347. bizrow says:

    From Dejan’s tweets

    Sounds ominous, IMO

    As Mike Tomlin says

    Next man has to step up

    GrilledCheese sitting in his locker with his head in his hands

  348. He pitched an inning tonight in Indy’s 17-1 win.

    1 BB, 2 K’s. 0.56 ERA so far.

  349. 21sthebest says:

    Strasburg had forearm discomfort this year. Somebody else too I think.

  350. pattonbb says:

    Rob B. said Martin saw him wince in pain after his last pitch, but didn’t see anything obvious before that. He’ll be reevaluated tomorrow according to the twitter universe.

  351. Milo Hamilton says:

    Logic should tell you that even in the worst case scenario they should be able to get through this. They still have a lot of great arms. The timing is even on their side with still more than a week to go before the trading deadline. But if these guys have proven anything over the last two years it’s that it is a very fragile group.

  352. Milo Hamilton says:


  353. 21sthebest says:

    No. I’m thinking of someone else who came back.

  354. Milo Hamilton says:

    We had Jeanmar & still waiting on Wandy.

  355. chethejet says:

    I am in the camp that Bucs just can’t hit well enough to win the division. But if Grilli goes down. then the keep it close and depend on the bull pen to finish is difficult to continue to execute. Starting pitching is fine and Meloncin can close. But NH has to know that the RF position is a disaster and needs to be addressed. 53 million net payroll while the Cards are 116 million and the Reds are at 110 million is why they win. Time to step up Nutting. If not and I hear the same BS as to small market crap, what you are trying to build and convince fans that we are going to win and we are all in. Actions are what we are looking for not words. If this management group doesn’t make the kind of moves necessary to win, then I suspect fans will not be as forgiving if the team heads south from here. 82 wins are nice, but blowing smoke as not to mortgage the future nonsense is very telling. If Nutting can’t or won’t move the payroll up, Nutting should be fried for not keeping his word. And the other owners need to start insisting he spends the revenue sharing or they take that away. Pirates by most estimates rake in something north of 150 million and next year probably 175 to 180 million. This payroll is a joke relative to other organizations.

  356. Karen22 says:


  357. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Shoot man. Melancon closes and Vic black needs to get it up and YOGA!

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