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Final: Pirates 9, Cardinals 2

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (61-42) vs. St. Louis Cardinals (62-40)

Starters: LHP Francisco Liriano vs. RHP Jake Westbrook

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, RF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Russell Martin, C
  6. Garrett Jones, 1B
  7. Alex Presley, LF
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Liriano, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel knew he’d cover important ball here eventually.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and more, including his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the top four columnists in the country -- highest circulation category -- by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the top three columnists in the country by the National Headliners Awards. For 2013, he was named top columnist in the state by the Keystone Awards and second-place by the Pennsylvania AP Managing Editors.



    Makes my job a helluva lot easier

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total INNINGS PITCHED by Francisco Liriano in tonight’s game
    Line is 6.25

    Line #2
    Total RUNS SCORED by the Pirates in tonight’s game
    Line is 3.5


    Please Note – All games must be considered official games in order for line(s) to be valid. Any postponement, cancellation, or suspension of game(s) will void line(s).

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    61 Down, only 21 more to go!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM & BREAK .500

  2. Where did Alex Presley come from?

    No Marte?

    • No Marte is a plus in my opinion tonight. He can’t hit the broad side of a barn right now. Until he decides there actually ARE some pitches he is incapable of making contact with he shouldn’t be anywhere near the line-up.

      Pressley is up due to Snider on teh DL.

      Tabata at lead off? Haven’t seen that in over a year.

      • Marte ain’t gonna get out of his funk picking splinters out of his rear end.

        Just sayin

        • well right now, the ball boy batting, taking pitches and hoping for a walk would be a welcome respite from Marte’s at bats. The breather is the best thing right now, maybe for Marte, but definitely for the Bucs.

          • Dunno, but I think you go with the guys that got you where you are this series.

            Marte is young, high upside, one swing could get him back on track.

            Plus there is that defense thing…

    • Would have preferred Lambo – but agree that Marte should pass on Westbrook…

  3. Marte could use the break, but why Presley? Call anyone up but him.

    • it’s his turn :)

    • Go to the four letter netowrk’s website. Look at the 40 man. Then tell me who you are calling up. I don’t think there is another outfielder on it! OK I lied. Sands is on the 40 man. So your choices are Presley and Sands.

    • This lineup really stinks.

    • I was hoping they’d recall Danny Noonan, you know, since Sonja Henie is out…

      • My brother and I were big golfers and quoted that movie all the time. In high school my brother and I got pulled over when he was speeding. After the cop gave him the ticket, my brother, out of habit, said, “Thank you very little.”

        Man, did that cop get irate!

      • I thought we lost Noonan in the rule 5 last year. Or didn’t the Bushwood Bombers keep him on their roster all season?

      • Did Sonja Henie get caught up in that Biogenesis mess?

    • Why didn’t we add Lambo to the 25 man lineup and just release Presley?

      I’m not one of those guys who thinks Lambo is the answer at RF but he’s a better option than Presley.

      • Have to add him to the 40 first

        • Do we have any openings JAL?

          What with McPherson getting TJ surgery, he could be put on the 60 day DL to open a spot for someone?

          But I can see how you would not want to tinker with the 40 man this close to the trade deadline

        • I’m aware of that. We can get rid of Presley or someone like Jerry Sands.

          • The staple in the Hanrahan deal (Sands)? Surely you jest sir…

          • Sands isn’t going anywhere yet. He was part of the Hanny deal. he’s going to get a chance to prove his worth.

            • He’s had that chance at a lower level all year, and hasn’t done it. This isn’t the Littlefield regime. I think they have now learned to cut bait when it is time. He is a AAA roster filler now. I sure hope that is all he is, anyway.

            • Just like Snider is getting a chance to prove his worth, which is nothing.

              Ladies and Gentlemen…………. TBMTIB !!

          • And let’s not forget that lambo has kind of a rough history. They are going to check his maturity level before they give him any shot.

          • How about getting rid of Chase D’Arnaud or Russ Canzler? These are odd circumstances and we can’t exactly be looking to the future. We have to look to the present.

            • I don’t think D’Arnaud is going anywhere aright now. He’s playing his way back from injury and played streaky ball for the bucs in the past. i don’t think he projects to much of an every day player but I’m willing to bet they aren’t ready to cut ties with him just yet.

              And like i believe you conceded earlier, it is hard to mess with the 40 man leading up to the deadline.

      • Because he only has 26 HR’s in the minors this year, Dom. He’s too unproven for a “pennant race”.

        • All I am going to say to this is Matt Hague. He of the mashing AAA pitching that everyone was SURE would be a better fit in the majors at first than Lyle Overpaid. When Hague got his shot, what did he do? hitting 26 in AAA doesn’t mean squat.

      • What PROOF do you have of that. And don’t give me minor league numbers. We no absolutely nothing about Lambo as a major league bat. We do know that Presley is fast. We do know that for a stretch of time in ’11 it seemed like he was the cog that made the team go batting from the lead off spot. We do know he hasn’t been as productive as that first flash showed. With lambo we knoe he hits AAA pitching well…

        • Of course I have no proof. I just deem him to be the lesser of two evils.

          I did look at Presley’s numbers and I guess I was being a bit hard on him.

    • Don’t let Bob Hasis see this post.

      • It’s too late.

        I’m amazed at the pervasive disregard for Mercer and Presley, but that appears to be the consensus here

  4. Mike McKenry on the 15 day DL.

    • And there is the reason for Barmes. .292 against Westbrook. 24 at bats. That’s ALMOST statistically credible.

    • Great info, Milo. Pedro, Tabata, Walker & Cutch have the 4 highest OPS against Westbrook. Let’s go strap it on ‘em!

    • Jake the Snake strikes out 3.3 per 9 innings. This should be the perverbial irresistible force vs. the immovable object.

      • Awesome Jim, but I may have found a loophole in the proverb. What if the Bucs still strike out 10 times, but 7 of those the 3rd strike gets away and the runner gets to 1B safely? Would anyone hear that tree falling?

  5. Marte needed a break a week ago, not now.

    Really scratching my head over the back to back games without Cutch AND Marte in the lineup together.

    • Clint said a week ago or so that he wanted to get Cutch a day off soon. And Marte just needs a break…what is he doing now that makes him need a break less now than last week? There are 2 schools of thought…let him play the weaker opponents and let him try to figure it out so that he is ready for the Cards feeling that you can sacrifice the at bat vs the weaker teams and the rest of the line up can pick him up. And if he doesn’t come around put someone in there who isn’t a wasted at bat vs a team where every at bat counts.


      Pull him against those weaker opponents and coach him up every day and throw him back into the fire against the Cards.

      Clint has always been one to pull guys out of “tough” situations when they are struggling and let them play when the stakes aren’t as high.

  6. This lineup actually has pretty decent stats against Westbrook. Considering he is not a rookie with a weak era and, therefore will probably not set a personal K record, fret not.

    Personal longshot: Presley hits one to or over the Clemente wall.

    • Alex really is either pull the ball for a double or HR or make an out, nothing in between…. I too can visualize Alex going deep tonight…. let’s hope for the best!

  7. Here is a good article on the guys the Buccos would potentially want to target:

    • Marte hasn’t exactly been tearing it up of late. Pressly could provide what Marte did at the beginning of the year. That being said I do not like what this does to the outfield defense. The Cardinals have a lot of gap power hitters and Marte and Cutch cover a lot of ground. I hope this doesn’t cost them one or two doubles tonight.

    • the analysis wasn’t bad, but no solid reporting in there just fantasy baseball yet again. And got to LOVE the fan comment at the end of the article… talk about not having a clue… I quote:

      The Pirates usually panic this time of year and trade top prospects for rental players…

      um, in what milennium is this fan? or is he commenting about his season of MLB The Show he has going in his alternative universe….

  8. Well many have wanted to have Sanchez up as the backup catcher for some time and they now get that for the next 15 days. Fort, however was playing better of late.

    Time to see if AP is any bit of an upgrade to Snider, he like Tabata have been given numerous chances and has never seized them. I know the trade market is a bit dry or a bit expensive but this team HAS to add a RF at minimum.

    Don’t mind Barmes getting the start tonight and Marte sitting. Marte needs a day, long overdue and Barmes is 12-40 since early July hitting .300. If he continues with an improved bat will certainly take his glove out at SS.

    • I am not fond of the idea that Sanchez will make his first start in the show probably in the twinight doubleheader with either AJ or TBD on the hill.

      • it wont be with AJ… it will be catching Jeanmar Gomez… I’m not worried about Tony… He may be weak throwing but the Fort wasn’t gonna throw a ton of runners out anyway.

        • I think they’re going to call somebody up to pitch that game. Send Presley or Harrison back & the new guy should be here the day after that.

          • hmmm, interesting not to have gomez make that start… cool though gomez is an important part of the pen now and he may be needed for multiple innings over these 5 games….

          • Milo – I believe the new rule for DH is in play to expand roster to 26 for that day only, do not believe they will need to option anybody.

            • Ah yes. The old 26th man rule. Brandon Cumpton last pitched on the 25th. Tomorrow would be perfect. That roster’s going to be in big time flux the next 3 or 4 days.

        • Fort however, can make the throw back to the catcher and can actually get the ball close to second base.

          And calling a game is another aspect unless the dugout calls the game for him

      • I’m not fond of it either but it sure will be fun to watch. I hope he contributes and it kickstarts a nice long career with the Pirates. He really seems to have matured. If he catches for TBD and it’s not Gomez it would probably be someone he caught for in AAA more then a few games so it’s not the worse situation.

        • tony has caught most if not all of the pirates pitchers… including AJ… I think in ST, there was a story about him not being afraid to lead the pitchers, including AJ. That said, we need Martin catching AJ, if nothing else to keep the running game somewhat in control…AJ is about as bad as it gets holding runners

      • TBD is Jenmar Gomez. Count on it.

        • CH said yeterday that was original thought but has since changed his mind and they plan on calling up arm from AAA for spot start.

          One area he cited was Gomez value to pen and not being shutdown for five days when they have arms at Indy that can go 100 pitches.

          • I had not heard that statement. being out of town all weekend and extremely busy really had me lose touch with what was going on…other than checking the score frequently and swearing at my phone often.

        • IMO that weakens the bullpen too much, would rather have them bring up a starter. Jenmar starts, he is unavailable for up to 4 days

        • No, I’m betting on Johnson, the lefthander.


    • Barmes had to pick now to start hitting. Couldn’t he have done it when Jordy was scuffling? Jordy had an 11 game hitting streak just stopped. He has been hitting very well of late.

  9. I’m dying for the Pirates to trade for some offense. Dying. The lineup posted up there looks putrid.

    Also, how many of the games against the Cards will be sellouts?

  10. From MLBTradeRumors

    The Pirates and Diamondbacks are the strong front runners for free agent reliever Brian Wilson, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today, who notes that Wilson has offers from four NL teams and one AL club. Yesterday, Yahoo’s Tim Brown noted interest from the same mix of five teams.

    Wilson, 31, auditioned for teams Thursday with the Pirates, Diamondbacks, Athletics, Giants, Phillies, Rangers, Rockies and Cardinals in attendance. The former Giants closer had Tommy John surgery in April 2012.

  11. Pirates and D-Backs considered front runners for Brian Wilson the pitcher.

    • Cost zero prospects and gives good depth against injury to bullpen. Not the worse move. Low risk, high reward. I think I saw somewhere that his fastball was back up to 94-95.

      • Unless he comes in and looks like last years bull pen “upgrade”

        Chad Qualls for the loss!

        • Qualls still kicking…and looked pretty good the other night vs. the Bucs… it really is about players performing… just like Ryan Ludwick, NH can only trade for or sign the players, the players actually have to perform. It was so annoying for Ludwick to play like a dud for us and then do so well for the Reds in 2012.

      • He could be expensive though unless the contract is full of incentives

  12. Pirates are one of the front runners to sign Brian Wilson.

    Not the crazy one, Milo.

  13. With Hanson being promoted from A to AA yesterday is it safe to say he’s off the table? Guess it started the rumor mill churning when he was pulled from the lineup.

    • dont see it has any impact on his availability….

      • just seems odd you’d move a guy if he was part of on going trade negotiations.

        • you can’t stop what you are doing just in case something happens… maybe it also reinforces his value, though I doubt any smart GM would weigh that vs. prospect lists/status…

        • If the Pirates traded for Pence, we wouldn’t have to give up any of Taillon, Polanco or Hanson. Signing Wilson is HUGE for the Pirates because he has a ton of experience and trading for Pence would bring a lot of hitting potential for the Bucs. Let’s go NH. Pull the triggers.

          • Eric, you must not be listening to Brian Sabean… he ‘prefers to re-sign Pence and not trade him’ and his asking price is sky high….

            • As it should be.

              He’s got an excellent chance of re-signing Pence and even if he doesn’t, the Giants will get a 1st round pick from the team that does (assuming they extend Pence a qualifying offer).

              No reason for Sabean to trade Pence for anything less than an outfielder to replace him or a 1st round talent.

              • well there’s TOP of the FIRST ROUND talent and BOTTOM of the FIRST ROUND talent, for starters…..

                also, we’ve all discussed the difference between newly drafted prospects (and how many fail to succeed) vs. prospects that have a few years of development under their belts and are more projectible…. IMHO there is no way the Giants should expect a Taillon or Polanco for Pence… that said, I am not saying he shouldn’t get a very good prospect plus a couple of midlevels…. that is a high price, just not a ridiculous price.

          • Why would the Pirates trade Pence for anything less than a prospect with 1st round talent?

          • Josh Bell for Pence. DONE DEAL. And they throw in Scutero and we’ll give them D’Arnoud.

  14. This Panic Move #1 by CH, starting Barmes ahead of Mercer. AS I stated on the earlier thread, there is not one – zero, nada, zilch offensive stat that Barmes can claim over Mercer – with the one exception – 15 more K’s in 210 AB’s

    I’m certain there will be others within the game

    • Barmes had RBI single off of Fernandez yesterday, more than most the lineup did against him and is hitting .300 since early July.

      When he was struggling with the bat made a lot of sense for Mercer to play, if Barmes has bat going, which he does of late, no harm in playing the plus defense.

    • How is this a panic move?

      • Because according to Bob every move hurdle makes from here until October will be a panic move. Even the ones that turn out OK.

        • We’ll be watching and counting, while you’re ignoring and shrugging your shoulders, saying “Oh well”

          • counting what Bob? You’ve made a silly statement with no backing other than some offensive numbers. Unfortunately this is a HUGE series for the Pirates and some times you want a veteran who’s played in big games before out there over someone who hasn’t. This is big boy baseball; not lets look at the USA today and see that Mercer has a better BA so he should start.

            • Wow, how condescending can you get?

              You refer to “some offensive numbers”? That’s all this blog ever does – you included. I know when the numbers don’t suit your line of reasoning, belittle them.

              The counting of CH’s blunders.

              Pathetic response TJ – absolutely pathetic!

          • OK you can count them based on your clouded perception of what is a panic and what is not. Counting judgment calls always turns out unbias right?

      • For a team so bereft of offense, to put his friend weak-hitting Barmes in is a cop out. It tells me CH doesn’t know much.

        Let’s see, he a “maintenance day” to Cutch. Was that necessary?

        • gave a “maintenance . . . . .

        • Bob you ever managed a big league team or even a little league team?

          You really believe CH put Barmes in because he’s a friend? That statement alone smacks of ignorance. Your really reaching and not coming up with anything.

          • No TJ, I managed Pony and Colt, and if you don’t think friends aren’t chosen over better players, then the ignorance of which you spoke falls in your lap.

            It even happens in Legion ball and high school.

        • Bob – Barmes is hitting .300 this month, his bat is playing well of late and he is a far better defender than Mercer who struggles both with range and with routine balls hit to him at times. If this were the Barmes of April and May maybe your point would have some validity.

          As for Cutch, yes the day was necessary especially to a guy who lays it all out on the field each and every day, runs out routine outs, chases balls all over the OF and sacrifices his body all the time. I rather have a rested Cutch at optimum performance than a burnt out one.

          • I would like to say this; I think maintenance days are unnecessary.

            These guys are playing a game for 3 hours, most of which time they are sitting in the dugout or standing at their position.

            Stress and pressure, of course that exists in most games. These guys aren’t road graders, or working in a hot strip mill, or any other really physically demanding job.

            I love those stats where they say, “since June 19th he’s leading the league”. Why not say from June 18th or June 10th. Selective analysis methinks.
            Or as you say, he’s hitting .300 this month. The fact is he’s hitting .219 this year as opposed to Mercer .275.

            So we should play Barmes because of this small sample, yet last week JHay gets 3 hits and is immediately back on the pine. Why not use the same rationale for playing JHay again?

        • Well it might just have been. Cutch hadn’t had a real day off since prior to the break. A couple of times a month the big boy gets a day off. It may be his last before the end of teh season actually.

      • No doubt starting Cumpton over Jeanmar in 2nd game tomorrow will be a PANIC MOVE too. I’ll go with the guy that has the 2nd best record in baseball over the blog commenter anyday.

  15. Other Panic Moves

    • Barmes has good career numbers against Westbrook. It’s not much, but it is there.

      • Yeah I mean saying that starting Barmes over Mercer is a panic move is just plain silly.

        • Look at the comparison figures which people here seem to do usually

          • Explain how its a panic move

            • It’s a Panic Move because CH didn’t know what to do – so he panicked by inserting the weak-hitting Barmes, when we need all the offense we can get.

              YOU explain to me why it was a good move!!

              • I give up Bob. You should too.

              • He didn’t know what to do?

                Here were his options (albeit with maybe a tinkering to where these things go in the order):

                1) Write “Mercer”

                2) Write “Barmes”

                Did Clint lie on his application?

              • I’m pretty sure he has and you have ignored it. Barmes is hitting .300 since July 1. That makes him at least equal to Mercer at the plate as of late. He also is a career .292 against tonights starting pitcher.

                Mercer has been booting the ball a bit the past week or so and has nowhere near the defensive range of Mercer.

                A tie on offense and a plus for Barmes on defense seems to me Barmes is the right call.

                Lets look at it another angle. Essentially the same argument but coming at it from the back side…

                This offense is pittiful right? Does the choice of Barmes or Mercer really inject enough offense to make a difference? No. So knowing you aren’t going to score a dozen runs no matter who pitches and that you are going to have to give up as few as possible to win, you want your best defense out there. That is Barmes.

              • And also…bad move does not mean it was made in panic.

  16. Alex Presley

    Travis Snider

    Let’s see, Presley has a better average, slugging and OPS than Snider (Snider has the better OBP, by 3 points). Of course, Snider has been given far more opportunities (700 more ML PA), but by all means let’s run down Presley, who’s been given SO MANY opportunities.

    • Thanks for pointing that all out. Snider was a trade piece last year. His “potential” was so much higher than Presley’s of course. So he gets to keep plugging away everyday.

      Actually I don’t know that Snider ahs any options left where as Presly did. So often that plays a part in who gets to sit on the bench for the major league club.

    • Presley got the 52 games in 2011 where he did well. He was given an opportunity last season to seize the LF job and hit .237 in 104g (370 PAs) with an OBP of .279.

      That was his opportunity, and he blew it. Obviously, the Pirates now do not view him any more than OF depth.

      Combine that with the poor (and injured) play from Tabata last season, and that facilitated the move to go get Snider (plus Polonco wasn’t viewed as highly as he is right now).

      Travis Snider has hit .219 over 95g (265 PAs) with a .287 OBP in his opportunity to win the OF job. Obviously, management isn’t enamored with his performance as he’s basically become a bench player with Jones or Tabata getting the majority of starts there (I think they even started Brandon Inge over him!) recently.

      While I don’t think anyone should be praising Snider, I also don’t think there’s any cause for singing the praises of Presley. They’re both AAAA players that provide depth.

      Essentially what I’m saying is, no one is trying to make Travis Snider out to be any better than he is, and I don’t think you should be doing so with Presley either. If someone is trying to make Snider look good, well then, what has the world come to?!

  17. Was anybody seen at any airports today ? Or cleaning their lockers ? Or hugging a teammate ? Or checking apartment rental availability on Chicago Graigslist ?

    I haven’t looked at Twitter all day so I’m tragically out of the loop.

    By the way, who exactly is the poor sap that has to monitor the comings and goings of people at the Altoona and Indianapolis airports ?

  18. My personal opinion is that Presley should have been starting all along in the Burgh. I have always liked him. Mercy people, he had 10 homers last year in limited at bats! I believe that he is our answer in RF. The area I would like to see him improve is to cut back on strikeouts. Just my opinion, thanks.

    • Matt, not opposed to giving Elvis some more at bats, but he is not the answer in RF. It be awesome if he was but he is not.

      • It’s amazing cmat that you already know all of that

        • Are you saying Bob that Neal can stop calling GMs to acquire an impact bat to play RF because Elvis is just what we need for this offense?

          I don’t disagree that Snyder got more chances than Presley did, but it isn’t like Alex hasn’t had a shot…. he has skills just not those impact skills we are seeking…. would you start Alex in RF over Pence? Rios? Schierholtz? All of them?

          • Just give him the same shot Tabby and Snider have gotten. Let him play for two weeks. Is that asking too much?

            Keep in mind this; he hustles where Tabby and Snider don’t. On the bases, and definitely in the field. His arm – for a little dude – better than Snider at least.

            He brings an energy to the game, just like JHay. There is value in that and it spreads.

          • I actually don’t know enough about Rios or Scheurholtz. I would have loved Pence last year – and probably even now.

            Do any of us know enough about Presley?

            And if you are going strictly on numbers that he doesn’t measure up to those others, then how can some people on this blog desire Barmes over Mercer.

    • You are right, and cutting back on strike outs should be the teams mantra – especially starting tonight.
      We might though with Marte getting a “maintenance day” off, until he will be req’d. to enter as a pinch-hitter.

  19. Just saw this from Pirates Prospects, a tweet from USA Today’s Bob Nightengale:


    Former #SFGiants closer Brian Wilson has 5 offers-from 4 NL teams and 1 AL team with #Pirates and #Dbacks considered strong front runners.”

    • what other NL teams do you think offered Wilson a deal? Cards/Reds, perhaps? Dodgers?

      • Reds and Dodgers.

        • if dodgers, surprised that doesn’t appeal to him being a west coast guy … be great to beat the Reds out for his services…. wonder if the strong offer includes some type of ‘role guarantee’… i.e. is he given 8th inning commitment as incentive to sign with us over the others…..

          Dbacks may give him a chance to close, who knows… unless Heath Bell eats him accidentally

      • It’s only the contenders, so those teams I’d say. I’m not sure of the Dodgers bullpen sitch’, but I’d say the Reds could use another arm.

  20. To quote Mr Playoffs

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM & BREAK .500

    Take some Tums.

    Still 3 hours till gametime. ;-)

  21. Another bat available… Brad Hawpe DFA

  22. St. Louis Cardinals ‏@Cardinals

    Lineup at PIT (7/29): Carpenter, 2b; Beltran, rf; Holliday, lf; Craig, 1b; Molina, c; Freese, 3b; Robinson, cf; Kozma, ss; Westbrook, rhp.

    • I could eat my words, but the bottom of the Cards lineup isn’t exactly the ’27 Yankees… Freese/Robinson/Kozma aren’t too intimidating…. the top 5 is a different story, and like always Molina likely holds the key…if we can keep him in check, like we’ve kept Cabrera and others in check this season, you have a decent shot to keep the Cards down……

      I know I would liberally pitch around Craig and/or Molina if given the opportunity, and take chances with Freese.

    • Amazing how many runs the Cards have scored with Freese and Jon Jay both having bad years.

  23. Well, the Sox just lost their leverage if indeed NH is wanting to pick up Rios from the Sox…..

    The Rangers are no longer seriously pursuing Rios, tweets Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

    I’m not opposed to picking up Rios but the price has to come way down. Let’s wait until 3:55pm on Wednesday.

    • Who says the Sox have to trade Rios at the deadline?

      They still have every bit as much leverage as they did this morning.

      • You are right, if they are stupid they will not take the chance to unload an overpaid and relatively unproductive player in their broad rebuilding effort…. but they may indeed be stupid. They should study Theo on the north side for tips on how it’s done.

        I prefer Schierholtz actually so I really hope they do hold onto Mr Rios.

        • You don’t seem to be considering the option of them trading him this winter, when more than just teams in playoff contention will be bidding.

          • take away the desparation of the Pirates and Rangers to be kicking tires on Rios and I doubt there’s much a market there at all to be honest. But I could be wrong. The winter is full of teams who build their springtime dreams around their own controllable players… like the Bucs did around Travis Snider.

            • A team that drops out of the bidding three days before the deadline is desperate?

              I guess if thats what you want to believe, you’re entitled.

              • rangers have dropped out b/c they have determined this club isn’t good enough to add to and they are building for 2014… a rangers team that was talking about rios was indeed desparate.

    • The Rangers have dropped in the standings since horribly overpaying for Garza. I doubt they’ll do it twice in a few weeks.

  24. Looks like we have two openings on the 40 man roster?

  25. Looks as though Crain has been dealt; that from comments from him directly. No word on where he’s going.

  26. Pretty quiet on Bucs rumors on trades…except for the Wilson posting from the excellent Bob Nightengale…. i think quiet is actually a good thing… I could be wrong, and we will know in 48 hours, but I think NH will definitely acquire either a 1B/RF or both and also a bench piece by the deadline.

    CH was pretty clear that he and Neal were talking trades over the weekend and CH ‘prioritized’ the list for NH…. given NH has been talking to GMs for a long while now, and knows what the price is and is likely to be, I can’t see the Bucs standing pat at this point… I just hope and pray they don’t overpay EXTREMELY…. but let’s face it folks, they WILL OVERPAY, so get your complaining out now and zip it when they pull the trigger…in this market, buyers will overpay that is assured. ALL buyers, not just Neal.


    • That haven’t overpaid yet under this front office. They undersold in some cases but have never overpaid. They know what they are willing to give up I don’t think they will move off of that. They will let the process play out and if that means ending up with nothing except for some bench help and a middle reliever then that is what they will do.

      In my opinion the focus for the front office has been and always will be to remain competetive for years to come and not flinch in situations like this. It won’t be popular but I’m guessing they have 3 or 4 guys they consider untouchable and are problably only willing to trade one of 4-10 away.

      • Nate you’re too reasonable so you don’t belong in this blog. I also agree with just about everything you said so you probably belong in an asylum. NH will add a bat either a starter that also helps the bench by trickle down or a platoon player that does the same. He won’t overpay. Of course a lot of people cried when he sent Lincoln out last year, and even though it didn’t work out, it was worth the try

      • I agree, I’m just on record now as saying that if NH picks up an ‘impact bat’ in this trading year, he will have to overpay. And i do think he is leaning to doing that out of fear that last year’s history repeats itself.

        I don’t blame him at all…. if it were me, I’d likely pull the trigger also… if Bucs falter, he will be fired and he doesn’t want to “strike out looking”…..

  27. OMG…The Reds are trying to get Pence.

  28. You wanted it, you got it. Alex Presley is up.

    Print the playoff tickets!!

  29. Thanks for no one telling me you all left the other thread! I was in a meeting, came out and started posting, and you were all gone. My self-esteem is waning. I have fear of abandonment issues.

    Ok, seriously, I did post about the RF situation. I did some exhaustive research. Yes, even more than earlier for the great Hughes vs. Morton debate, NMR.

    Rios total stats in ’13: .272/.325/.427/.752. He’s a dime a dozen with a bad ‘tude.

    He has 12 HR in 393 AB. He has 35 XBH, so less than 1/10 AB.

    Pence is a far better everyday option. He is hitting .277/.320/.457/.778. Pence hits LHP at a .320 clip, but only .263 vs RHP. He has a lot of XBH, with 42, but he only has 8 HR in 308 ABs vs. RHP.

    Schierholtz is murdering RHP: .289/.338/.570/.909. 14 HR and a whopping 39 XBH in 249 ABs.

    Pence and Schierholtz both whiff 1/6 ABs.

    In my mind, Schierholtz/Tabby is a good platoon. Keep in mind, Tabby would only get 25% of the ABs or so.

    • I will get this one for Milo. Schierholtz is batting .232 away from Wrigly and since we only play 3 games in Wrigly………Just kidding. I still like Schierholtz as an option especially after seeing how little Theo got for Soriano.

      • I originally didn’t like Schierholtz, Nate. But, I admit he has grown on me. He has pretty consistently hit RHP year after year. But, he really has big power #’s vs. them this year. His power numbers home vs. away are a little better at home, and he is hitting .252 away vs. .311 at home. So, Milo has a point. But, I would say that might just be an anomaly. Hard to say, really. Wrigley is typically a hitter-friendly park, but not necessarily so to RF where Nate hits. Nate is regarded as a very good RF.

        I’d be comfortable with him getting 75-80% of the ABs in RF for us. I don’t think he’d come nearly as cheaply as Sori, though. There is no financial albatross with Nate, is there?

        • I should also say there is Sweeney and DeJesus from the Cubs also, as other possibilities. They all have decent stat lines. I may have to rethink my Wrigley split for this year, though. All 3 of those guys hit a lot better at home than on the road. In fact, Schierholtz hits the best of the 3 away from the Friendly Confines.

    • Jim, Tabby is out of the equation. We have Presley now – a lefty bat which we need

  30. Crain is in fact dealt to the Rays. No details yet

  31. 859 posts on the two threads today by 4:10 CT, still 2 hours to go until the game…

    We are all certifiably insane.

  32. Any anouncement on who our starter is in game #2 tomorrow night?

    • CH is in panic mode; I think he forgot he has to name a starter…. Right Bob?

      • That’s what I’m saying. Why do you think his face gets purple during the game?
        His blood pressure is racing, his brain is addled, and that gum never stops. Or I should say his mouth never stops – even though his brain does.

        Keep a close eye on his pinch-hitting decisions tonight.

    • Was reported that Pirates know who will start but will not reveal yet if Cumpton or Pimental, a little gamesmanship.

      Interesting move by Matheny who counters AJ wanting to pitch the first game by moving Lance Lynn up to first game to match veterans and now will have Tyler Lyons throw nightcap for Cards.

      • Lance Lynn pitched well in his last start, but was slumping for several starts before that. He did the same thing last year – hot start, then cooled. We’ve hammered him before, I believe.

      • Why not move AJ back then? LOL. Are these things in stone?

      • Moving veterans to face rookies is about trying to split the doubleheader and avoid the sweep…. I kind of like having our rookie throw in game 1 and let AJ pitch the nightcap….

    • Chill, you can’t announce it until the player you are going to send down is OK to go, and he might be in tonights lineup.

      Too many people here looking at subtle sign portending an apocalypse.


      • No one will be sent down, the Pirates are able to carry 26 tomorrow in the new MLB rules regarding DH’s.

        CH stated he was not going to tip his hand yet.

  33. 222 comments and it’s not even game time yet. DK is going to have to start making two threads one for pre-game and the other for the game. Don’t know if it has been said above (though it likely has), but everyone know iti s a bog series when MLB Network is showing two of the 5 games and the four letters is actually getting off their behinds and actually making the trek to Pittsburgh to show another on their precious network. Hopefully the crowds know that and show up in droves to block out any Cards fans that make the journey to PNC. Go Buccos!!

  34. 665 comments on the Morning thread.
    241 here, and its 90 minutes to gametime/

    Over 900 comments, and the worlds problems still arent resolved.

    I am completely underwhelmed. ;)

    OH COME ON, LIGHTEN UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Yes, lighten up. Take a breath and act like we’ve been here before. It’s been over twenty years, but some of us have been here before. So you young’uns in the clubhouse listen to us caggy old vets. Have fun and enjoy the game. Of course the last time we were here some of you probably weren’t born and we didn’t have this here blog gizmo. So heck, do whatever makes the game work for you. It’s worked so far this year and if we keep the pressure on the Cards they will wilt. They probably don’t even blog in St. Louie.

      Enjoy Lunnies and Go Bucs!

      (Was all that okay Drew and Jandy? :-)

    • I actually am lightened up and also a caggy old vet. I was just amazed at the amount of info for even before the game on a weekday.

  35. I still would like Carl Crawford in right field and batting Leadoff, if Dodgers would pick up half the contract.

    Polanco won’t be a “positive factor” on Pirate roster until 2015 season, maybe 2016. Marte wasn’t a “factor” last year.

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  37. Dont know if this was already posted………..

    MLBTradeRumors reporting Arizona out of the Wilson sweeps.

  38. Nice shout out by DK on twitter to our fellow lunatic Alexandre Giesbrecht who’s making his first trip to Pittsburgh from Brazil.

  39. MLB network just spent the first 7 minutes of their show talking about Pirates and Cardinals. Rosenthal said only pence and tips available and the pirates won’t and shouldn’t overpay for those marginal upgrades in right field. Also mentioned reds unlikely toake any major moved.

  40. Rios not tips. Darn auto correct.

  41. Evening, Guys & Girls. Been awhile. Was wondering if anyone else here finds Everett’s obligatory “Good Morning, Good Afternoon and Good Night” after someone strikes out on three pitches ANNOYING. I like him alright in the main, just think it’s a little bushleague that he uses that every game.

  42. Make that Neverett!

  43. Whoa! I blinked and there are 300 comments!

  44. Saw a lot of roughhousing today here

    Some stuff from the usual suspects, but some from others.

    A thought, from this seat in the peanut gallery.

    Maybe we should kinda bond together and help each other get thru this race?

    Our passion for the burgh is deep and solid.

    From what I read here, and I’ve never been to Indianopolis, that I can remember, a lot of us either have not been thru a pennant race, or were too young to remember it.

    IMO time for a little tolerance, time to get behind the Bucs

    Just sayin

  45. One thing I loved about Barry Sanders was when he would score this ridiculous touchdown, he would simply hand the ball to the Ref. When asked why, he just said, well, I’ve scored before. ;-)

  46. Nice easy 1-2-3 for Liriano and we are underway in what should be an exciting five games featuring the top two teams in the NL.

    Crowd looks great, fans are out in force for a Monday, 24/7 tweeted it is shaping up to be a lot of standing room only crowds this week.

  47. CUTCH !!!

    1-0 good guys.

  48. Walk, HBP and than Cutch liner his 56th RBI and Bucs strike first and quickly…Let’s Go Bucs!

  49. Not a shabby start??

  50. HOLY CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PEDRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I GLADLY LOST PLAYOFFS LINE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  51. We own this…. OWN IT!

    Clutch RBI single
    …then boom Pedro

    4-0 Pirates

  52. BUCCOS!!!!! 1-0 , make that 4-0 now BUCCOS!!!!!

  53. The All-Star El Toro one swing and that is the damage he can bring….3 run shot and new NL Leader in HR’s with 27….he is a difference maker.

  54. That should keep that buzz going at the ballpark.

  55. Do I get triple odds if I said over 3.5 runs after 4 batters?

  56. Difference between two teams and two seasons. I went to the first three games in DC and that stadium took till at least half way to look like there were a lot of people in attendance. PNC right now is filled to gills and it was the top of the first. Go GI Jones with a double!

  57. Jones rips double and Westbrook is not rolling anybody…would be great to get to Cards pen early with two on tap tomorrow.

    Maybe the Cards are the ones with Panic!

  58. WOW, what a start…. leadoff hitter for Bucs gets a WALK (when is last time that happened??)… Neil takes one off the feet, Cutch rockets in up the middle and Pedro murders an ‘on the platter’ batting practice fastball over the Clemente…..

    Park is packed, I’m surprised…was hoping for 30K on a weeknight, the ‘Burgh is ‘all in’ for this team!!

    Keep it going vs. the very hittable Westbrook… Cards will have to let him go some innings b/c they can’t overuse the pen with the DH tomorrow.

  59. If all of the games are going to be like this, count me “All In”!

  60. Anybody know why tomorrow’s double dip is a true twinight DH and not a day/night ? Missing gate sale on a full game.

    • If twi-night, give me some Twi-Nght Dro!

    • Not sure the Bucs have ever done the day/night thing… could be wrong… mostly it is because typically midweek games they don’t draw a ton and it is easier on the players to just go the regular DH….. so they weren’t worried about the gate….

    • Great question….I don’t think the Pirates have ever held a day/night DH. I do know from a friend who works for the DBacks that have hosted one each of the past two seasons you do need to hire a few people to get park ready in limited amount of time.

      Maybe that, parking-traffic issues play a role not for sure.

  61. And now… the next episode of “Neverett’s Numbers”

  62. Wow, two at bats for our leadoff hitter, two walks…

  63. Tabata doing his job in leadoff role tonight drawing two walks in two plate appearances.

  64. Westbrook not missing many bats. Looked completely dejected when he had to back up third.

    Cutch’s speed comes to the ballpark everyday and the twin killer is killed!

  65. Glad to see us making Westbrook throw a lot of pitches already. Let’s wear their bullpen out the first game of the series!!!

  66. Great AB by Pete as he draws the walk.

  67. Lets go Bucs, blow this one wide open…

  68. Cole Mania may be overrated but Bucco Mania lives… Monday night sellout, no fireworks, no promotions…. just good ol pennant fever.

  69. I’ll give Westbrook this. That was one gutsy 3-2 pitch with the bases juiced that got RM to chase. That might have settled Jake down. So time for Liriano to continue pitching you know what.

  70. I am glad I am watching the game tonight.

    Last week, I went into a bar.
    There were 3 heavy ladies at the bar………. and I detected them speaking with an accent.
    I asked them if they were from Scotland.
    Its Wales, you idiot! Wales.
    So I asked “are you whales from Scotland”?

    Thats the last thing I remember.

    Like I said, glad I am watching the game tonight. :)

  71. That ball clearly bounced. You could hear it.

  72. Should have been an infield single, ump missed that one.

  73. How can an ump miss a call that bad?

  74. They made up for the phantom foul out by calling Presley out at first.

  75. Playoffs should run a line on how many innings it will take CH to get tossed!

  76. What a pleasure it is to watch Andrew McCutchen play baseball.

  77. Here’s Mr. RISP.

  78. I want more runs.

    And I’m owed it.

  79. Oshkosh,

    What are you hearing from the Brewers camp ? Are they open for business & ready to sell ?

    • They have been quiet. Laying low since Braun. But it sounds like they are shopping Lohse and Gallardo. Quite frankly, I haven’t heard much about moving Mr. Aoki. Which means, of course, he will probably get shipped-hopefully to the Pirates.

  80. Barmes breaks cardinal (npi) rule and lets pitcher lead off TWICE already.

  81. Walker hit twice in four innings.

  82. I can’t read all the posts and catch up….so hey, Bucs having a nice showing tonight…keep it up boys!!!!!

  83. Per MLB Trade Rumors, Brian Wilson getting ‘close to signing’ and top suitors are Pirates and Giants… not quite sure what the Giants are doing but really makes sense for the Buccos….


  84. Through four: Westbrook 86 pitches, Liriano 47.

  85. Liriano just carving the Cardinal hitter up, with each passing start he further cements his name in serious Cy Young discussion.

  86. Dang Petey that was juicy!

  87. Someone needs to show Westbrook our list of injured players.

  88. Apparently they feel they have enough.

  89. Now THAT was a timely K!

  90. Neverrette tonight has called …………

    El Toro === El Tolo,
    Walker === Warner.

    Mute function now enacted.

    • hoping in the DH we get double dose of Brown/Walker or at the least they switch off … watching Neverett/Blass a full 18 innings might be too much to bear….

  91. outstanding pitching by the Pirates ACE…. good to get on other side of Beltran and the walking DP Holliday….. Craig and Molina bat in the 7th, but it is setting up well to get this one to Melancon… let’s ADD ON says me and I’m sure incessantly Bob Walk on the radio…

  92. OK now show Barmes some <3…that was a beauty!

  93. One Clint making the other Clint look good… leadoff double…and the man is playing an effortlessly fine SS tonight, thank you very much.

  94. Barmes to the notch with a deep double, plus he has played very solid with the glove tonight, once again no problems with him in lineup.

  95. Holliday in LF plays a very good 1B…..

  96. Tabata absolutely stung that ball but has nothing to show for it. Nine more outs boys.

  97. Ahhhh nice K!

  98. Lambo with another home run in Indy tonight. He could be the biggest bat we acquire before Wednesday!

  99. I am being sarcastic. I know it won’t happen.

    • well I wasn’t being sarcastic…if he hit a homer, it IS nice :)

      • I agree Jandy, it is nice to see Lambo doing well. I am would like to see him given a chance. I am frustrated that he probably won’t get that chance. I have seen him play several times in person this year and really like to watch him.

  100. Liriano is very good folks…. this is the best offensive team in beisbol he is carving through…..OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE… goes 7, keeps the nice lead, saves a lot of the bullpen….

  101. Big out on pitch 102 by Liriano! Get him some more runs!!!!

  102. Is it just my looking at Gamecast but looks like Frankie painting strike zone and getting balls called???

  103. Where did they find all these blind umpires???

  104. I just checked, there’s no rule against scoring more runs.

  105. Ahh yes, the over wins both line tonight :)

  106. LIRIANO! YES! I have climbed all the way to zero on Playoffs game.


  107. Looks more than 32,000+ there at the game, but what do I know.

  108. I’m calling a sacrifice fly. Right here, right now ! Russell Martin or Gaby Sanchez, whichever one hits here. Here we go.

  109. Here at the ballpark they showed Martin over talking with Jay Bell. They were looking in at some papers in a binder

    Hopefully they were looking at a diagram on how to hit a sac fly

  110. Gaby’s due. Come on buddy!

  111. If it hasn’t been said already, let me say it; Great strike zone awareness and Great patience at the plate.
    No wild stupid swings – and misses

  112. Remember Gaby -a walk is a run.

  113. Was that a SAC FLY?

  114. Excellent maestro Milo – a sac fly

  115. Was that a sac fly? Am I dreaming?

  116. Was that my main man Presley?

  117. Will wonders never cease!!!!

  118. AP with a 2 out RBI. 6-1 now!!

  119. What is this sac fly thing they are talking about? And nice job Elvis tacking on some insurance

  120. Big RBI single for Presley as Bucs get to Cards bullpen.

  121. Woooot!!!!! And another hit by barmes drives in more runs!!!!

  122. And my other main man – Barmes

  123. 1st Sac Fly since May 27th…………….. BARMES with a hit for 2 RBI’s

    8-1 good guys.

  124. Barmes with two shots to the Notch tonight!!! 8-1 now. Me likey!

  125. BARMES just continues to rake in July 2 more RBI’s and Bucs up 8-1!

  126. And some of you guys didn’t like this is lineup.

  127. Both threads today have over 520 posts.

    I can safely say, no matter how you cheer for the team, Pirates fans do care.

  128. Ok lets stop; save some of these runs

  129. oh Lord, another hit.,..Marte piles on!

  130. This team never quits!! Love it!!!

  131. Would love to see 4 more games like this one.

  132. Joining the Parte is Marte!! 9-1.

  133. Even Marte snaps out his funk and gets into act with PH RBI single, are we having fun yet?

  134. Gaby Sanchez hits the 1st sac fly to an OFer in 2 months (last 1 was May 27). They’ve certainly had numerous chances in the interim. For whatever reason, this team sucks at getting a man in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

    But I digress…

    they’re winning the ball game.

    6 more outs and then it’s

    ON TO THE NEXT 1 (or 2…..)!

  135. No negativity intended, but why not give this at bat to Harrison? As i write this Marte comes through, and that is a good thing, but I still wonder . . .

    • Harrison has more versatility that should the Cards mount a miracle comeback he could be of more use later in the game. But I see your point.

  136. I know I’m getting ahead of myself but screw TB and BOS; this game should be the main page of ESPN tonight.

  137. According to MLB Trade rumors teams have started to call about Barmes.

  138. Really important that we use Tony Watson to protect this 8 run lead.

  139. Cutch is getting quite the work out tonight

  140. Seriously; up 8 and still playing balls to the wall or to the ground on this play

  141. A Tony La Russa moment.

    8 run lead against a dread rival.

    Start plunking.

  142. Just another sick, hustle play by Cutch that not many OF’s make, an absolute joy to watch and a true superstar.

  143. If B Wilson arrives and actually improves this bullpen, it will be an incredible group — one of the best of all time.

  144. If he uses Melancon in the 9th I’m going down there & taking his gum.

  145. Watson comes in and makes the Cards look very elementary in the 8th.

  146. A 5 game series is as rare as a Pirate sacrifice fly to the outfield

  147. I hate hyperbole. But really. Can we agree that Liriano is the best broken armed pitcher in baseball?

  148. And Victor Black gets the appropriate call to finish this one off tonight.

  149. Was that Josh Hamilton jumping into the stands in that Head N Shoulders commercial?

    Good thing he was jumping for a ball and not tossing one.

  150. I gotta say, I love seeing AJ and Locke interact in the dugout all the time. Thick as thieves

  151. Dude that is awesome about Grilli. Mad respect for that guy

  152. Even better to see Cheese in there :)

  153. Jandy. There IS a bacon beer. Bacon-Maple-Syrup.

    No fooling.

  154. Exactly why I didn’t want that joker in the game

  155. Please, just get Black out of there. Please.

  156. Putting Black in is a great idea, no matter how he performs.

  157. OMG, Jerry Meals just blew a call at home tat may have cost the Red Sox the game to the Rays!!!

  158. How bout that for a make up HBP.

  159. PLEASE GET BLACK OUT OF THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  160. Ok….enough Black….

  161. He needs a second pitch. Dang 9-2.

  162. Jandy. No fooling.

    I’m reading from a package in my pantry.

    “Maple Bacon Premium Pancake Mix”

  163. The Richmond Flying Squirrels are hosting the Anthony Weiner $1 hot dog night on Thursday. Fans are encourages to tweet their pictures during the game! BRILLIANT!

  164. Behind seven shutdown innings by Francisco Liriano who earns his 11th win, and coupled by the monster three run HR by Pedro Alvarez, a rare sac fly by Gaby Sanchez and two doubles from Clint Barmes the Bucs sink the Cardinals in the opener of this five game set 9-2 and there was noooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Bucs are back to 20 over .500 at 62-42, are now 4-2 against the Cards this season and are 11-12 in July. The Bucs move to within a 1/2 game of first place in the Central and hold a 8.5 game lead for a playoff spot.

    The Bucs return to action tomorrow afternoon for a twi-night doubleheader with AJ Burnett throwing the opener and most likely Brandon Cumpton getting the call in the nightcap.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  165. RAISE THE JOLLY HIPPO !!!!!!!!!!!


  166. Raise it!!! hang it high!!!

  167. Raise it and get some more tomorrow!!

  168. Statement game. Tremendous.

  169. I think it might be time to start considering Liriano for the Cy Young..

  170. Raise it! Wow 9-2 win over the best team in baseball. I need to go on vacation more often.

    • Rad Lad!!!!! Enjoy the vacation!

      • Brandie! Was poolside yesterday and the guitar dude was playing “there’s a girl, in this harbor town….” and I immediately thought of you. Hope all is well my friend. Having a good time but dying to see the Buccos. Will see them Wednesday!

  171. Bucs open up a can on the Cards! The ill side of me had fun watching the Card fans looking like they stepped in something smelly. Seen too much laughing by them at PNC over the recent years.

  172. Ohhh, yeah! That was a total “WOW” game!!

  173. I’m watching the Rays telecast.

    They’re showing The Play At The Plate over and over.

    The Rays’ paid announcers are saying they got away with one.

    Jerry Meals Calls It Safe.

    As Ghostie likes to say, That’s Baseball.

  174. It was very promising to see Starling Marte and his .713 OPS on the bench against the RHP in the first game of this critical series. It almost makes me think the Hurdle and the Pirates’ front office are starting to see his limitations and gives me hope he won’t tanks this season as he did the last two.

    Almost, because there was Jose Tabata in his place, who while doing okay last night is clearly no better a long term option in the lead off spot against vs RHP and virtually all the names being mentioned in trade talks are more of the same light hitting right handers the Pirates already have to many of and weighing down the offense.

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